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Episode 4768: META Hides Data On Damage Their Causing On Children
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josh hawley
The eugenicist Julian Huxley predicted this as far back as 1957.
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He wrote then that a thousand million years of evolution would lead to a moment when man, harnessing his modern control of physical nature, would transcend himself, would achieve a new state of being.
And many of today's technologists believe that moment is now.
For Huxley, this was a religion all its own.
I believe in transhumanism, he said.
josh hawley
He coined the term.
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And so do untold numbers of today's tech class.
The timing of the drop of the technology was intriguing.
It came right at the end of college.
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Wednesday, 10 September, Year of Our Lord 2025.
Honored to be joined now by one of the true stars of the United States Senate and a young man to keep your eye on, Senator Josh Hawley.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley, there's going to be four, and we got more of a cold open to play.
There's four things we want to tie together.
Number one, your historic speech last week at National Conservatism Conference on transhumanism.
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And then you had a huge hearing yesterday on Meta.
steve bannon
I want to tie that with this horrific report we got out of the National Education Council about just a complete freefall of reading skills, reading comprehension, English, math skills, science, all of it.
unidentified
And the dinner last week of what I call the demons around President Trump put together by God knows who after Bobby Kennedy's inquisition he had in the Senate last week.
Let's start the speech because they show two things are going on.
steve bannon
The elites are focused on a whole different set of issues than what impact the American people in their day-to-day lives and what we have to do here.
unidentified
They are focused on immortality and transhumanism.
steve bannon
This parade last week, I said the most important thing came, it was not the geopolitical attempt at realignment on the Chinese Communist Party, as bad as that is.
unidentified
It was she and Putin talking about caught on a hot mic or a hot mic, quote unquote, about living to 125 to $1.50 right now on organ harvesting with transhumanism going to give them immortality.
Let's start with your speech and the warning that you gave the American people, but you also put Silicon Valley and the oligarchs on notice, sir.
Well, here's the thing that they want to do, Steve.
josh hawley
These guys in Silicon Valley, these oligarchs, that's exactly the right word.
unidentified
They want to rule this country forever.
I mean, these are guys who have so much power already.
They want even more power.
josh hawley
They are focused on extending their lifespans at the expense, by the way, of every working man's lifespan.
unidentified
You look what's happening in this country.
josh hawley
You look what's happening in my state, in the heartland of this country.
Life expectancy going down.
For working people, it's going down.
They are ravaged by drugs, ravaged by chronic disease.
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Meanwhile, these Silicon Valley oligarchs are spending a billion dollars a year so that they can live longer and longer.
And here's the worst part.
josh hawley
They're using AI systems to help them and hurt us.
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They're using AI to shorten the lifespans of working people by taking away their jobs, taking away their livelihoods.
And they're turning around using that same AI to try to make themselves immortal.
It would be crazy if it weren't so dangerous.
And the ideology that these people have is that they should have all the power.
Working people should have no power.
They should run the country, not the people.
josh hawley
That's not what we're founded on, Steve.
unidentified
Your individual inquiry into this leads you to believe we're not talking about science fantasy or science fiction, correct?
I mean, because sometimes when you mention this thing, people go, what are you guys talking about?
steve bannon
Immortality.
unidentified
Your individual research into this topic makes it very real to you, sir?
Yeah, I mean, listen, all I can tell you is that the tech people who are spending literally, when I say a billion dollars, I'm not kidding.
josh hawley
I mean, they're spending cumulatively billions of dollars on these new wellness regimens.
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They think that they can extend their lifespan into the far horizon.
josh hawley
But here's the bottom line.
Whatever the truth is in that, they are using artificial intelligence to further their ideology.
unidentified
And that's what matters for us, Steve.
josh hawley
That's what matters to this country and for working people.
They're going out there and they're turning AI into a weapon to help the oligarchs and to hurt the working man.
We cannot allow that to happen.
Right now, AI is turning into a tool of the rich and powerful to extend their control over this country.
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We've got to stop that.
There'll be no jobs left for working people if this goes on, if we don't put guardrails up and if we don't make this technology serve working people rather than the other way around.
Let's play the clip from yesterday.
We got a bunch.
Let's play the first clip for Senator Hawlin.
Why is it so important to Meta?
Go ahead, Ms. Seth.
Children drive product adoption in the household and VR is a gaming device.
So they drive product adoption, which means what for Meta?
Just cash it out for us.
That means the reason that families buy VR headsets is more money for Meta.
cayce savage
Yes.
josh hawley
So this is about profits at the end of the day.
unidentified
Let's just be really clear.
Meta's number one bottom line is money.
josh hawley
It is profits, bar, nothing.
unidentified
That's it.
And what you're testifying to is they will do anything, anything, including exposing our children to the most vile sexual abuse if it means more profits for Meta.
josh hawley
Have I got that right?
unidentified
Yes.
If I make when I was doing research to identify the harms that children were facing in VR, which I had to be sneaky about because legal wouldn't actually let me do it, I identified that Roblox, the app on VR, was being used by coordinated pedophile rings.
cayce savage
They set up strip clubs and they pay children to strip and that Robux can be converted into real money.
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And I flagged this to Meta.
cayce savage
I said, under no circumstances should we host the app Roblox on their headset.
unidentified
You can now download it in their app store.
I'm going to turn this back over to the chairwoman because my time has expired.
josh hawley
I just want to end by saying this.
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It is abundantly clear to me that it is time to allow parents and victims to sue this company.
They have got to be able to get into court and to get in front of a jury and hold this company accountable.
josh hawley
And that begins with Mark Zuckerberg.
There has to be accountability.
We need to open the courtroom doors and allow victims to have their day in court.
unidentified
Holly, you got to go pretty far in the woods to hit your tripwire, but they hit the tripwire yesterday.
steve bannon
Who were those folks and what caused you to come on so hot there at the end?
josh hawley
These are researchers who worked for Facebook.
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These are Facebook employees.
josh hawley
And Steve, you know, you hear all this stuff that they were testifying about all the child porn that's all over the web.
unidentified
You and I both remember it wasn't so long ago, if you even mentioned child pornography, if you mentioned child sex abuse material, you were called every name in the book by the left.
They said, oh, that's just a fantasy.
josh hawley
That's all a conspiracy theory.
unidentified
That's not going on.
josh hawley
These are Facebook researchers, big-time liberals, by the way.
unidentified
You read their declarations.
These are libs.
josh hawley
I mean, if they're political views, they're not conservatives, but it made them sick to their stomach what this company was doing, exposing kids to child sex abuse material in order to make money.
unidentified
And that's the problem with these tech oligarchs.
josh hawley
It's all about their power.
unidentified
It's all about their money.
There's nothing they won't do, Stephen.
I mean, nothing they will not do in order to extend their control over our families and over our country.
josh hawley
And we cannot allow that to happen.
unidentified
Senator Hawley, what you're hearing yesterday showed is that these researchers were paid to actually go do the.
They showed it to senior management.
steve bannon
This is happening.
unidentified
Senior management went out of their way to hide that, to make sure they continued on to make profits.
Am I correct?
They not only didn't make any changes, they hid the fact of what exactly was happening and children were exposed to.
Yeah, they hid it and they falsified it, Steve.
I mean, they came in and they said to these researchers, oh, whoa, your research is showing that there's a lot of child abuse on Facebook.
josh hawley
Falsify the data.
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And then they turned around to the public and their shareholders and said, we've done all of this research and it's all fine.
I mean, Facebook's a great, upstanding company.
josh hawley
They're lying to their shareholders and the public.
They're committing fraud.
unidentified
And listen, if you follow these companies at all, you know that this is just par for the course, but it's sickening when it involves our kids.
josh hawley
I mean, is there nothing these people won't do in order to make money and get power?
unidentified
And the answer is no, there is nothing, including taking away the innocence of our own children.
josh hawley
These people, they have got to be held accountable.
unidentified
Because of the heroic efforts of the FTC and even Lena Khan before that and President Trump in his first term, they're in federal court.
We're looking to break them up, both on Instagram and other things that they have to actually force them to start to deconstruct their company.
But somehow Zuckerberg got into a dinner last week sitting next to the President of the United States, particularly on the day that Bobby Kennedy had the star chamber, given everything that Facebook had done to steal the 2020 election, suppress any information about the vaccine mandates, all of it.
How does that happen?
How are you going to get folks in the Senate to get worked up to actually go after Facebook as you should and open up to people to go after them when somehow somebody in the administration and or the White House thinks it's appropriate to have Zuckerberg sitting next to President Trump at dinner?
You know, isn't it amazing that, as you say, the very day that Bobby Kennedy is getting raked over the coals because he's trying to take on the people responsible for the chronic disease epidemic among our kids, this guy, Mark Zuckerberg, one of the worst purveyors of child abuse, when you look at this testimony from yesterday, is going scot-free.
I just want to say, emphasize something you said about President Trump.
josh hawley
He took on these companies in his first term.
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All of these antitrust investigations and prosecutions that he launched that are now bearing fruit.
josh hawley
That, to my mind, is one of the most important, significant things he has done.
unidentified
We need to keep the pedal to the metal on that, number one.
josh hawley
But number two, your point about Congress.
unidentified
Congress has a role to play here.
josh hawley
Congress shouldn't just sit back and say, well, good luck to you, President Trump.
unidentified
Good luck to you, DOJ.
You guys go prosecute him.
josh hawley
No, we need to open up the courthouse doors on these companies.
Right now, these companies are the only ones in America who cannot be held accountable in court for what they do.
unidentified
You know, if Ford builds a car that blows up, you can sue him.
That's as it should be.
Right now, these companies have built platforms where your kids are getting abused.
You can't do anything about it.
Congress needs to change that.
josh hawley
Congress needs to end the sweetheart deal and allow Mark Zuckerberg and Meta and all the rest to be sued in court by victims.
unidentified
Last thing, I know you got to bounce.
We got about a minute or two.
This education report that came out is nothing but catastrophic, completely falling off the cliff of young people's ability with all the money we put in education.
Fallen off the cliff on reading, on reading comprehension, on writing, on math skills, on science across the board.
What can be done about it?
I mean, this is now, this has now become a crisis, and it just ties back to this lot of factors, but it ties back.
The big phone off the cliff goes back to the beginning of the smartphone.
What say you, sir?
I would just say this: that the smartphone and the AI revolution, pretty soon our kids aren't going to be able to write a thing because AI is going to do it all for them.
josh hawley
Already, you hear these technology gurus say, oh, we need to outsource teaching.
Let's just replace all the teachers with phones.
unidentified
Let's replace all the teachers with computers.
Let's just let the kids sit in front of a screen.
I mean, are you kidding me?
That's the worst thing possible.
josh hawley
We need to put more power back in the hands of parents.
Parents have had their power taken away from them, left, right, and center in education, in technology.
We need to be putting power back into the hands of parents.
unidentified
And that begins with taking power away from these tech companies.
I don't want them running our education.
josh hawley
They're destroying it.
I don't want them running our kids' health.
They're destroying it.
unidentified
And I sure as heck don't want them running this country.
Senator Josh Hawley, where do people go to keep up with you, sir?
Holly Moe, you can follow me on Twitter, on social media, all across the board, and joshhawley.com.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
Thank you.
Got to ask yourself, one of the most MAGA states in the Union, Missouri, have generated two of the best MAGA senators.
steve bannon
Think about that.
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Folks in Missouri, you're doing this redistricting.
The only thing I would say is give us that last seat.
Let's go maximize maximalization.
Don't give the Democrats, don't give them anything.
They don't deserve it.
Don't rate it.
They've taken 20, what, 25 seats in New England?
Folks, this is all inextricably linked.
Just telling you.
One of the things we've got to do is start breaking up these companies and say, oh, we need these national champions against the Chinese Communist Party.
steve bannon
Hell, they're helping the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified
Don't give me that excuse.
Oh, this is our bulwark against the Chinese Communist Party, farthest from the truth.
What happened yesterday, you saw Facebook, you saw Zuckerberg as one of the most evil people in this nation.
He should be in prison for stealing the 2020 election.
Stealing.
You saw them in all their glory yesterday.
I'm going to get some compilation of the clips from this hearing.
Absolutely monumental, what these whistleblowers are saying.
Curdle your blood.
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steve bannon
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Lauren Loom is not wrong.
And I don't say this lightly, but England is headed towards a civil war unless there's some radical change.
steve bannon
And here's the reason I know it.
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You've got Starmer and this crew can't deal with it.
And Nigel Farage, remember, we're very close to Nigel and think the world of him.
steve bannon
He's one of the greatest political figures in the history of British politics, not just modern history, in the history of British politics.
Nigel Farage led a 20-year crusade and campaign going into people's living room with 25 people there, 20 people there, to get England, its side, get the United Kingdom its sovereignty back, and he got it back from the EU.
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Nigel Farage is coming our way on this topic.
steve bannon
We've always had some disagreements about certain areas of immigration and the Tommy Robinson of it all.
unidentified
And he knows British politics better than we do.
And he's going to be the next prime minister.
So he's starting the needle.
But he's coming to our side on the mass deportations.
Nigel, I think 90 days ago said they've got to start considering and doing mass deportations in the United Kingdom of these quote-unquote asylum seekers, which is one of the reasons they broke off from the EU in the beginning.
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We've got a lot to go through.
A lot happening at gold, including central banks still buying at record rates with Poland announcing.
And I think Poland, I don't know if they invoked Article 4 with this drone intrusion.
I'll get into that this evening.
And also, Netanyahu taking out the negotiating team in Qatar.
Look, Qatar, I think Qatar's bad guys think they've been bad guys from the beginning.
I think they financed the Muslim Brotherhood.
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It's all, I'm not a Qatar fan.
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steve bannon
So yesterday they had the autism hearing with Johnson.
unidentified
They had the hearing yesterday with Senator Hawley.
They had another hearing too on, you know, they call them UAPs, but let's just stick with the UFOs.
And we had some of the, you know, some of the congressmen that are frequent guests on War Room.
And you had some Navy gun camera or some gun camera footage of look like some pretty impossible stuff.
Jake Seawolf, is this just to, because we haven't played this up, is this to divert our attention?
Do you think this is real with all the issues we have with the administrative state, deep state, our sovereignty, the beginning phase of the Third World War, the kinetic part?
I mean, Jake, how do you see it?
I know you follow this closely because the footage is pretty shocking.
And they had the witnesses they had were all former, I think, military or military officials.
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steve bannon
This is, as I think they said at the end of the hearing, these are not guys who drove up in a Winnebago with tie-dye shirts and ponytails.
unidentified
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steve bannon
Your take, sir.
unidentified
So my big question, though, is from my experience of being deployed and everything is, since when do we shoot hellfire missiles at objects that are not attacking us?
Like, that's a, what, $155,000 missile, if I'm not mistaken.
But secondly, why is every alien footage so blurry?
Now, I will give them credit that it is a bunch of military guys walking in there and everything, but this is something that like I personally want to follow.
The thing that scares me is now they're saying that Russia, China, and us, we're all going to start building technology to go out and find these aliens.
And what does that mean for us?
Higher taxes, higher inflation.
Like everything's going to go up again, guaranteed.
If we go on this alien hunt.
So hang on.
So, you think that do you not believe that was a Hellfire missile that, regardless of whether in your target acquisition, if you're doing it with people coming in to get you, do you believe the footage, or at least the congressman curated it, that you saw a Hellfire missile bounce off of a UFO, something they couldn't identify as a regular drone or something?
Okay, I could really things do look like crap under night vision.
I do have to admit that.
And that's really, but here's the point: are you saying that they've tried climate change, they try everything, the pandemic, the you know, the pandemic, COVID-19, the things associated with climate change, the world's going to change, the seas are going to rise, the forests are going to be on fire.
steve bannon
They're always trying to intimidate you and get you to huddle inside and just watch streaming, you know, bread in circuses, right?
unidentified
And stay doom-scrolled on your heavy kids.
Are you saying that this is the since nothing else has worked, that the populist nationalist movement is punched through this?
And this is why this fight at the beginning of the show against the against big pharma is so important.
You just had Josh Hawley about against big tech, right?
steve bannon
We need to stand up and take on these big conglomerates.
unidentified
Are you saying this entire your concern is this entire UFO thing is looks like another SOP to the big arms merchants or the space guys, et cetera, to divert our attention from what's real in front of us, which is the powers of the powers of money and technology trying to control this country and every person in it?
Absolutely.
I mean, your sign behind you says it all.
jake seawolf
There are no coincidences, right?
unidentified
And so, like, we always had this huge problem.
Now, the media is shifting back over to, oh, look, we attacked a UFO, guys.
They're real.
Like, who wants to pay up more taxes?
jake seawolf
No, we'll just increase that through inflation.
unidentified
And I mean, ironic enough, like, I just hate seeing this kind of crap because it does take away from everything.
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They're there, and I'm telling you, APL is kind of the tip of this, and she's been so great on the Kennedy assassination.
Something is up, we'll get to the bottom of it.
But they're under, it sounds kind of odd coming at the end of the climate change and the pandemic.
And they, you know, they didn't scare you.
You're still too honorey and got too much cussedness to shelter in place.
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We got Jake Sewolf, and we're going to California next.
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steve bannon
Jake, thank you.
unidentified
Great to have you on here.
I'll contact you after the show.
Yeah, great to talk to you, Steve.
Thank you so much for your time.
And thank you, War Room Public.
This hearing yesterday was wild.
It was wild.
And you had three of them up on Capitol Hill at the same time.
That's what's so hard to kind of juggle things during the day.
It's got so much going on.
But like I said, three of our best, Burleson, Burchett, and APL, Anna Paulina Luna, were all up there helping break it down.
We've been raided by Vikings here in the war room.
steve bannon
Sophia Carstens from California, and you've been up in people's grill about this redistricting fight and Gavin Newsom kicking off his 2028 campaign by doing this.
unidentified
So put in perspective because we've been leading the fight with Alex deGrasse in 21 and 22 to do the redistricting then and then to get Texas, obviously Florida.
steve bannon
But this California situation, you have a 52-seat delegation, 41, excuse me, 43 right now to nine with a state that votes basically 40% Republican.
unidentified
Right.
That's going to go 48 to 4.
Right.
And I know you've done some polling.
How are we going to defeat this?
How are we going to, because everybody wants right now is that Newsom's running for president is using this, his memes against President Trump and this as a springboard.
How can this be defeated?
So you're exactly right.
And there's a couple of things you need to unpack there.
But roughly, obviously, we understand that when you're talking about districts, roughly that is supposed to be a representation of voter block, right?
So already in 2008, we're looking at a voter block that is not reflective at all.
In 2008, in 2008, when they changed the districting, when they gerrymandered it last year.
I'm being kind.
steve bannon
No, because it's the most call what it is.
unidentified
They call us gerrymandering for what we've done in Texas.
Correct.
steve bannon
It's less gerrymandering than California.
unidentified
I'm glad you brought that up.
So first of all, I submit that the redistricting in 2008 already puts us at an illegitimate disparity because it is not reflective.
It took us from 40%.
Okay, that's fine.
We're the minority, which I suggest after the fires is higher than that.
But even if you go by those numbers, so you think it's been a real political scene change because of the fires?
I do.
But the reality is that that voter block was taken in 2008 from 40% down to 12% in terms of the representation.
So it's already illegitimate.
sofia karstens
And now what we're looking at is you want to redistrict again to take away another 7% and bring us down to 5.
unidentified
And I'm glad you brought up Texas.
This is not that.
I know we all want to sit there and be like, tit for tat, it's exactly the same.
Redistricting is redistricting.
sofia karstens
And to be clear, I'm against gerrymandering no matter where it is.
unidentified
First of all, Texas is not my problem and California is.
But the reality is all things are not equal.
And California, you have to look at the downstream implications of redistricting.
So in Texas, even when you're redistricting, it is not, the disparity of the voter block is not changing to such a degree as it is in California.
But that's not even really why it matters.
In California, when you change, and this is also why all eyes are on California with this, you actually have a largely red state that is carried blue by three counties.
And it is those three counties that if you are able to slow down, because I keep saying this, there's more MAGA voters.
You just referred to California.
It's a red state.
sofia karstens
It is a red state.
unidentified
I want to go slow.
Back it up.
Walk me through that.
You're saying California is a red state.
sofia karstens
If you look at a heat map, and so first of all, there's no such thing as swing states, only swing counties.
unidentified
That's how they were able to influence elections, but that's a conversation for a different day.
They didn't target it federally.
They targeted it in counties.
It's been very smart.
And the example that I always use, because it's the easy and obvious, Cook County in Illinois.
As goes Chicago, so goes Cook County.
As goes Cook County, so goes Illinois.
As goes Illinois, so goes Michigan, Wisconsin, North and South Carolina.
All those dominoes fall.
Los Angeles County is the mother of all swing counties right now because after the fires, as I said, we have seen a significant departure from the Democratic Party.
And I wouldn't say that people have gone running to bright red, but they're certainly leaving the Democratic Party in center or center right.
Okay, hang on.
How do you know that empirically?
sofia karstens
Our polling shows that people are leaving the Democratic Party.
unidentified
Also.
We say our polling, so people know you're just not somebody wandering by the Capitol that dropped into the board today.
Who are you?
What are your credentials?
How did we end up reaching out to the Commission?
sofia karstens
How did this happen?
unidentified
So I am treasurer of a super PAC called Decentralize America.
And we can get to the reason why it's called that.
But I just...
It smells like tech, bro, but keep going.
Keep going.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, it's actually all the verticals.
But I just commissioned a poll, a Zogby poll, not just candidates in the state.
Stay smart because Zogby is not a MAGA pollster.
No.
You wanted to have the real numbers.
Yep.
I wanted to be able to have the real numbers.
So what does that poll show you in your pack to show you that?
Can you back up the statement that Los Angeles County, people are fleeing the Democratic Party?
So it shows that, well, California-wide, people are leaving the Democratic Party.
I predict that we will probably, if we drill down, find that most of those people are in and around LA County because I think that the fires have led people to be, our polls show that over half of people are ready for change in our elected leadership in the state.
They are unhappy with the policies.
They are unhappy with the leaders of those policies.
So when you look at the LA County nugget of blue, if you look at a heat map, you see that if you actually flip LA County, and you don't actually have to win, you just have to not lose by a certain percentage, you flip the state.
And if you flip California right now, you flip the country.
I know, I got that.
But you're drilling down on the race.
That's like economists saying, you know, they all say assume this.
That's like I got a can and I say I can't get it open.
I got to assume a can opener.
I mean, what you're trying is so monumental.
It is.
So having lived out in California for 20 years, let me go back to this.
There's 40 million people in the state, correct?
It's the fifth or sixth biggest.
sofia karstens
Yeah, it's its own country.
steve bannon
And LA and southern and northern California are not just two different states.
The interior, all the blue is on the coast, right?
unidentified
All the money and all the blue essentially is on the coast.
Yeah.
And so LA County of that is what, I don't know, the Southland they used to call it in the old days.
steve bannon
That's almost half of the state.
unidentified
It is like 11 or 12, not just the population of Los Angeles City or even Los Angeles County, but that whole Southland is like 12 to 15 million people, isn't it?
Yeah.
And it's a font of illegal aliens.
steve bannon
This is one of the reasons that they wanted, they wanted, they wanted the census like they wanted, all of it.
So how are you going to, how are you going to lose by less, which I take it is lose by instead of 80, 20 or 75, 25 is lose 60, 40.
unidentified
Right, right.
There are a number.
I can get you the exact numbers for that.
It is, you're exactly right.
sofia karstens
All of these issues are entwined.
unidentified
And I'm not saying it's a light lift.
We got a heavy lift, but it actually is doable when you look at the messaging in the polling that we just did.
It shows what people what issues really are resonating with people and what their climate is when you issues for this for the vote in on November, the special election.
For no, no.
Well, that is also, they're not really concerned with voters about that.
But the gubernatorial for 2026, if you look at the messaging, the messaging of our current elected officials is not resonating with even Los Angeles County, which is historically, like I said, bright blue.
steve bannon
What are they saying?
unidentified
What are the people saying the messaging they're looking for?
Are the actions?
They are wanting people who are going to be common sense.
They are wanting people who are going to be looking at the issues that they're actually facing, which is inflation, the homeless problem that we're dealing with, you know, cost of living.
Affordability.
affordability because, I mean, let's be honest, and this is another really big...
But that's Mamdani.
The left can take that and weaponize that.
Right, and they do.
But the other checkmate that we have is, you know, in these pockets where you're having a group or a subset of the population that is disenfranchised socioeconomically, that usually translates into racist by default.
So when you are trying to combat something that is socioeconomic-ist, that is racist by default, it does give you a little bit of a platform to be able to say, you guys, it's not only the downstream implications of what we're trying to do in the state that affect the country with the redistricting.
Actually, what you're creating is a circumstance where the elected officials are choosing their voters instead of the voters choosing their elected officials.
That's what Democrats do.
Correct.
But they do it damn smart.
But that gets us to, by the way, did you just pull up with your Volkswagen bus with your surfboard on top?
steve bannon
I mean, you're in the Imperial Capitol and you look like I just came off a Newport beach.
unidentified
It's raining out.
So I actually feel like I look more like a drowned rat than anything.
sofia karstens
You're in the right.
unidentified
Hang on for a second.
We've got one more block.
We're going to get back to this.
steve bannon
And because I hear you, but the Democrats are the best in the world at playing that.
unidentified
And in California, they took a state that gave you Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and they turned it into, you know, after Duke Duke Mason and they turned it into a state that is the railhead of the progressive left.
steve bannon
It's where the money comes from.
unidentified
It's where their ideas come from.
It's one of the reasons Newsom's not going to run on his record.
He's recreating himself right now.
And what he's doing is going to show Democrats I can take on Trump.
And the way I'm going to do it is win this redistricting.
Short break, back in the warm in a moment.
Can't actually redistrict without changing the 10-year rule around the census.
And you can't do that without amending the California Constitution, which is very robust on this issue.
And you can't do that without repealing the Equal Protections Clause, which you cannot do.
All due respect, the argument is that we want to preserve democracy.
You cannot preserve democracy by suspending it.
Okay, Steve, the great Steve Hilton, who is running for the governor as a populist.
I love the fact he's running as governor with an English accent.
It's only in California.
Only in California.
It's only in California, baby.
And he's a great guy.
steve bannon
He filed the suit.
unidentified
Walk me through that clip right there because you were bang, bang, bang.
steve bannon
Here's why you can't do it.
unidentified
Here's why it's illegal.
And it's against the Constitution.
It's against this.
They're steamrolling that right now.
steve bannon
So walk me through this.
unidentified
So everybody's focused.
Make you feel better.
Make you feel better.
I know.
Everybody is focused right now on the 10-year rule and the census, which, okay, that's fine.
But it is very rule in the census.
So there is a rule that suggests that you are not allowed to redistrict outside of the year that the census is given.
And the reason for that is the obvious, easy and obvious.
sofia karstens
We got to know where the people are.
unidentified
And especially after something like the fires, that's just not relevant.
What the polling that we did five years ago is just not relevant in terms of the census and where the people are.
So there's a reason that rule exists.
And the California Constitution is very robust on this issue.
sofia karstens
Another reason why it's not analogous to Texas.
unidentified
The Texas Constitution is not as robust on this issue.
But the California Constitution is.
And so people are focused on that.
But of course, in true fashion, these extremists are just like, well, we'll just amend the California Constitution, which they probably would get the votes for because people really don't understand the nuance of what's happening.
But not between now and November.
sofia karstens
Well, they're trying.
unidentified
But the reality is they can't do that without repealing the Equal Protections Clause.
And that's the checkmate.
They can't do that.
And that's the lawsuit.
And that's the lawsuit.
steve bannon
Okay.
unidentified
What it's not, listen, the governor's race is obviously very important, but this on the event horizon, you got to focus because the train, I mean, we're going to go to the next step.
Yeah, the train.
Yes, you're right.
steve bannon
You're six weeks, seven, we're seven weeks away from decision day.
unidentified
Yeah, it will be rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if we don't win this.
You're right.
So tell me, you have McCarthy's raising a ton of money.
Schwarzenegger's doing his thing.
It seems like it's very, people are saying we don't want Trump, although Trump is not just the leader of our movement.
They have millions of people in California that are Trump supporters.
And President Trump is 6.1 to be president.
And President Trump keeps saying if you got a chance to spend more time there and you had not an election fraud, we could win it.
steve bannon
As you see it right now on the map, on the battlefield of getting to just this November, not the governor's race.
unidentified
How do you bring these parties together?
And they haven't agreed upon a message yet.
Some want to go with Trump.
Some don't want to go with Trump.
Schwarzenegger definitely wants to keep him out.
And of course, I think he's a spent force.
But just as you see it today running a pack, where are we?
sofia karstens
That's an excellent question.
The optics are problematic because, as we know, the left and the extremists are very good at context creation and splitting the vote by creating optics that make us all look like Occupy Wall Street, where nobody has one cohesive message.
unidentified
The other problem is that we have a jungle primary in California.
So it makes it very difficult, but you're right.
Really, the motivation is going to be.
We don't have a jungle primary in this election coming up in November.
sofia karstens
Not in November.
unidentified
It's a yay or nay.
Okay, here's what you're your PAC says you're going to do some polling regarding where we stand between now and November 2020.
steve bannon
So the next, we'll get you back on.
unidentified
Because right now, I'm going to put the five seats in the win here.
You're like, and a check for the Democrats.
Because no, it's not.
Listen, Newsome and these guys, Newsom's running for president of the United States off of this.
He's a guy that, and I kept saying he's a guy that we impeached.
And it said, but if you put up, you know, some of the clowns you're going to put up in running against him, you're going to, so we had this huge movement.
People worked their tails off, put a lot of money up.
It was magnificent to actually have a recall, right?
And then they lost it on the alternative, which you should have just left it open.
And, you know, what he won 65-35.
This is a tough ombre.
steve bannon
He's bet.
unidentified
His model for California is a disaster.
It's a disaster.
As your polling shows.
You know what he's saying to that?
You're right.
Your polling's right.
So we're not going to talk about that anymore.
Right.
steve bannon
I'm going to redistrict, become the champions of the Democrats for taking on Trump.
unidentified
I'm the only person that's taking on Trump and win.
And he's going to use that to springboard himself to the head of the Democratic primary.
And he's going to recreate a bunch of crazy policies that the Democrats are recreating.
Yeah, they'll duplicate the efforts all across the country.
So that's why California is the battlefield right now.
It's the beta test state.
And yes, and we've got to win this.
And now I see a lot of money potentially being raised, but you've got the kind of the corporatus with McCarthy.
You've got the never Trump guys with Schwarzenegger.
They're trying to keep Trump out.
And hey, we are burning daylight on this thing.
And it's a super high priority, not just the five seats.
Because, you know, you net those five out.
We've probably got overall 15 seats with another five in Florida, 15 gross on the gross amount, maybe 16 or 17.
You net those five out, it's 12, and we're going to have a fight to hold the house.
steve bannon
Where do people go to learn more about you, more about your PAC, your social media, all of it?
sofia karstens
I am on Instagram, Sophia J. Carstens, and I am on my website for my super PAC, which is deckamerica.com.
unidentified
Did you get any feedback when you did that?
We only got about 60 seconds.
Did you get any feedback?
Is Mike up?
Oh, we'll get to you later.
The feedback when you gave that great C-SPAN picked up when you were reading People the Riot Act about that.
steve bannon
You got a good feedback about that?
unidentified
That's what led to the lawsuit.
Yeah, in fact, that was on the heels of the extremists trying to hijack an assembly hearing in real time and cutting the mic of the vice chair and everything else.
And that moved the needle.
steve bannon
Mike Lindell, it's been another tough day in the war room.
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