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Episode 4746: Trump's Power And The Rule Of Law Steve Bannon Exclusive Cont.
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
You're telling us I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Thank you.
steve bannon
Okay, it's Saturday, 30 August in the year of our Lord, 2025.
Welcome back for the second hour of our Saturday morning show.
For those of you, I think we've made a command decision here.
in the first hour is that we are going to replay the actual PBS documentary, Trump's power in the rule of law.
Like I said, it was made and put together in the spring of this year.
That's the interview that you're seeing right there.
And remember, when these guys have these kind of long-range documentaries they're doing, they got Think Down Range.
I think this thing came out like middle of July, end of July.
We played it on our 6 o'clock show, broke it down over two nights, had a powerful response to the audience.
It's also had a powerful response from people just all over the country that have seen it.
Remember, PBS is a how do I say this?
A progressive liberal institution just got defunded by President Trump.
But the front line documentaries have had a history of winning Emmys and all sorts of things.
I'm in that documentary fairly prominently with the viceroy Mike Davis and Megan Kelly and other voices on the right.
Of course, we're outgunned, you know, two thirds, one third, but I think we hold our own.
The topic is so important.
It's Trump's power and the rule of law because we say, hey, look, Trump is not here just to be another caretaker president.
Trump is here to actually change, save the country and change fundamentally the direction of the country.
And as part of that, to take down the administrative state and the deep state.
And that's a tall order.
And it's quite complicated.
And the powers that be are just not going to sit there and go, oh, that's a lovely idea.
Why didn't we think of that?
And like I say, they're just not going to toss you the keys.
Everything's been a fight.
That's why, in a fascinating way, the documentary and the interviews that went with Mike Davis and myself and Megyn Kelly and others are actually even more relevant today than when they were first taken back in the spring.
Or when the documentary came out in midsummer.
And it's going to be more relevant.
The reason we decided to play it over a year.
the kickoff the labor day weekend or a saturday of the labor day weekend is that it's going to be more relevant for what's going forward president trump is not going to take his gas his foot off the gas they have hoped for that forever.
I think now they're coming to the conclusion that that's not going to happen, that President Trump is fully committed to doing this.
And that's why you see from the federalization of the police activity in Law and Order in New York City going to Chicago going to New York or taking on the Federal Reserve.
Things that were sacred cows that said you just can't do it that way.
Sealing the border, starting to do mass deportations.
He can't do it that way.
And he is going to do it that way.
Because the way the Constitution is set up with President Trump as being Chief Executive Officer of the Nation of being the Commander in Chief of the Uniformed Military.
for military services and being chief law enforcement officer is the last one that just blows them up, blows their heads up so much.
Remember Congressman Breechin from Oklahoma, we've had him on the show a couple of times.
He gave a town hall the other day and they're all sitting there going, oh, this guy got blown up.
When you look at the town hall, there's, I don't know, 200, 250 people there from his district.
There's three or four protesters.
It's nothing.
And one of them, they really get incensed when he sits there and goes, hey, President Trump is the chief law enforcement officer of the country.
They lose it because they can't handle it.
They can't handle the truth and they really can't handle truth to power.
But they're going to have to.
The other thing they get on breaching for is when he talks about Erdogan, the Ottoman Empire, the Muslim Brotherhood, they absolutely lose it there.
And one guy laughs at him.
Of course, the media says, Oh, the crowd was laughing at him.
No, one guy was laughing at him.
And that guy was dead wrong.
And all the people jumped on social media were absolutely, one thousand percent dead wrong.
Trump's power and the rule of law, President Trump has dug in on this.
This is why the last line of defense, as we said from the beginning, was going to be these radicals in the federal court system.
But as the viceroy Mike Davis explains during the film, during the film is that we're going to have to confront this.
This is kind of the last bastion of the left.
They own the law schools.
They own the law firms., they control the judges, these neo Marxist judges, and to delay is to deny.
So what you're seeing here is the second hour of this interview that was done, I think, sometime in the spring.
It was done in the war room itself.
They brought their entire production team over, and this was kind of the raw material, the building blocks for what became Trump's power in the rule of law.
The reason I wanted to do it today over Labor Day weekend is that everyone catch your breath, focus on this, see direction where we're going, see it in an aspect that the interview itself was almost an hour and a half, 90 minutes.
Because I said, hey guys, just, you know, ask anything you want, ask in any way you want, take your best shot.
And this is going to be so important going forward.
Remember, directionally, President Trump, and this is one of the driving forces, not just in the MAGA movement, but President Trump's presidency, he's not going to ease off here.
He's not going to back down.
That's just not going to happen.
So really want to thank PBS for actually doing the interview itself, Real America's Voice, and putting it on, breaking it all down, making sure that we got it engineered just correctly.
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Okay, we're going to return now to the underlying interview done by Corporation for Public Broadcasting, PBS.
That was the kind of the foundational element for the documentary, Trump's power and the rule of law.
And like I said, we have made a command decision.
We're going to play that documentary again this coming week so everybody can see it.
Let's turn now to the interview.
I will be back in a moment.
michael kirk
You said that the media may have focused too much on Elon Musk and missed the other things that people were doing.
But that effort to do something like take on USAID, a congressional created agency, to freeze all of the funds or not spend them.
I mean, how big a moment is that?
steve bannon
You know, I'm a huge believer, obviously, in the deconstruction of the administrative state.
How do you do that?
And that gets back to the budget and the budget deficit.
You know, I've been a big advocate that we have to have political courage of the political class and we have to address the actual structure of the spending of this country and why we're running two trillion dollars deficits because of what's happened in COVID and the kind of spending that we want on COVID we haven't gotten rid of.
Your audience should understand we spend six and a half or seven trillion dollars a year.
We raise in taxes four and a half trillion.
There's a gap.
The reason you have inflation, right?
The reason that it's not because of tariffs and not because of supply chains.
The reason we have inflation is we have a massive Keynesian stimulus every year.
We're now, we've added, what, $16 trillion of debt in the last couple of years.
We flooded the zone with dollars.
That's what's doing it until we get control of that.
And the way to get control of that spending has to be programmatically.
You have to do that at the Defense Department, in the social programs.
But you have to have the courage to say, hey, look, we've blown this.
and we're so far past this that we have to start to get our house in order.
Either we have to get more revenues through external revenues through tariffs.
We have to either raise taxes or we have to have higher growth rates.
And I'm all for higher growth rates and more tariffs, but I can also, you know, I went to Harvard Business School and worked at Goldman Sachs.
I can do the basic simple mathematics in back of this.
And it just doesn't add up until you start getting control of federal spending.
Now, the DOGE effort.
And my problem with Doge, I want to make sure it's more reality than fantasy.
Besides all the media it's gotten, what we need, their primary purpose is not statutory and not programmatic.
A little bit of that's gotten caught up in that.
Their primary focus should be waste, fraud, and abuse.
And I would certainly like, and Elon has committed that there's a trillion dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse.
I'm from Missouri on this one.
I want to be shown that.
I want to see that.
So far, as we've gone to date.
There really hasn't been, you know, there's been some marginal cuts, but those are almost like programmatic.
And President Trump has said repeatedly, the cabinet controls that.
We're going to follow statutory, like, for instance, in VOA in these places, USAID, they're taking it down to statutory limits.
They're also going to put USAID, propose to put USAID under the State Department, but they're going to zero these out statutorily.
Go back to the unitary theory of the executive.
The President of the United States, as chief executive, has the ability to make personnel decisions and to fire anybody, to fire people.
You don't have permanent employment in the federal government, and no U.S. citizen will back that up.
right?
The U.S. citizens right now live in an era of anxiety to be let go immediately.
So the chief executive has the ability to fire them, and he also has the appropriations process, which is the legal process that we go through to create a law to appropriate the money, that's a ceiling, not a floor.
Now that is going to be contested, okay?
But President Trump, and this gets back to the U.S. IED system about the $2 billion, of which the courts have found out so far that they don't believe he does, that money has to be paid.
That, I think, is going to go up and take a ride to much higher levels, right?
Because the president has to have the ability to both impound money or not spend that money if he decides programmatically it's either not working or there's some issue involved in it also to get rid of people.
The DOGE effort is basically an effort about fraud and waste.
It's kind of because the media's taken up in a little bit.
Elon is, I think, in the media taking on a little more of a mandate than he had.
right?
And the media's focused on that, which I think is fantastic because Carrie Lake's work at VOA, other work that's going around like on USAID and these others.
And in USAID, let's be honest, Eli Crane and these guys tried to zero it out in the appropriations process two years ago, all night fights on the House floor.
And who saved it?
The Republican establishment saved it and didn't even have the balls to look into where the money was going.
The money was going to all these NGOs that were supporting the invasion of the country, all these NGOs throughout the world and the United States that were suppressing conservative voices.
That was brought to you by the controlled opposition Republicans.
This is the reason you've got to differentiate between Republicans and the MAGA movement.
The Republican Party is one of the reasons the country is in this situation.
You mentioned Bill Barr and these guys.
We've won since Nixon.
You know, we've won as many times as we've lost.
We've been in control as much as the Democrats have.
How did the country get into this crisis?
Because the Republican Party is like the Washington Generals to the Democrats' Harlem Globetribe.
They're just controlled opposition.
It's all performative.
They never really did anything.
They just kind of went along with the system.
That's the difference in Trump.
Trump is direct action down a vertical to actually make fundamental change.
And that's why the system is reacting.
The system's traumatized.
I understand that.
He's a blunt force instrument.
He's going to give the system a punch and it's going to be traumatized.
That's kind of the purpose of the exercise.
And that's why he's relentless.
He will not back off.
That's different than these country club Republicans who have essentially gone along with this for 40 or 50 years and got the country in this jam.
This is why the MAGA movement detests rhinos, detests country club Republicans.
We hate them more than we hate radical Democrats.
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michael kirk
Yeah, I mean, when we've talked to people here and they've seen the letters coming off of something like USAID symbolically in this town, there's a fear of who is next, what is next.
steve bannon
They should understand it's potentially all next.
If we don't close this gap, of the two trains.
This is why I think the media and particularly PBS and others that are a little more thoughtful are doing a terrible job.
You don't explain how the system works and the system is burying the country and working class people every day because we have a system that's totally out of control and only is it's crafted by the elites in this country and it works for them in the last six months I think it is the last six months since the beginning of the fiscal year on October 1st I believe that $4.4 trillion of wealth stock market bonds etc have accreted to the top 1% And
that's more than the bottom 50% of our country.
It can't go on.
We've had the massive constant since the bailout of President Obama and the progressives, and that's why he's kind of a tragic figure because he depended upon his Wall Street guys about the bailouts of the crash in 08, which he had nothing to do with.
That was all dumped on him when he won the presidency.
In fact, the reason he won the presidency, I think people said, hey, you know, I don't know about John McCain, but the Republicans were in charge.
We got to have change on this.
He reverted back to a standard.
The people that caused the problem came up with a solution.
We've never really gotten over that.
And you've had tremendous, you had more concentration of wealth in President Obama's term than you ever had in the history of the country.
And this is why I say everything you see on cable TV or all the stuff on Capitol Hill is performative.
That's not the real story the real story is about money and power and money and power are going to the top 1% more and more and more that was the start of it then you see during the pandemic you had another great concentration of wealth that's what needs to be broken here you need to break that if you don't break it and one of the reasons is that the the elites in the country don't mind this massive spending because it's helping their hedge funds.
It's helping their defense contractors.
They want the spending.
This is why it's so tough to even talk about cutting spending here.
And trust me, they're not worried about what happens to the American people.
Are they not going to get this program or that program?
They want to have this continuous spending.
until we get a grip of that.
And one of the ways you have to get a grip of, you have to downsize the government programmatically.
You just can't do everything that you've been doing and paying for.
And principally, this is why I'm an advocate, strong advocate, until you get to the Defense Department, and it shouldn't be lost in anybody, that Doge is, we're the ones on our show that said you got to cross the Potomac.
You got to cross the Potomac.
You can't just be running around on Social Security.
You got to get to the Pentagon.
They've been at the Pentagon for nine and a half weeks, 10 weeks.
I haven't heard one chirp, right, out of that festering sore.
They spend $900 billion a year.
Trust me.
There's a little bit of waste, fraud, and abuse over there.
We haven't heard, we haven't seen one email, one Twitter post on anything.
I think they announced a couple weeks ago, Sean Parnell announced they found $80 million, which is basically Uber money over there.
So it's all performative.
That's why you had it.
And for your audience has to understand, this is not going to be easy.
going to be tough we've we've kicked the can down the road uh for decade and decade decade if you want inflation to continue If you want the financial and economic opportunities to recede from you and your life, right?
Forget your children and grandchildren.
If you want it all.
children.
If you want it all to recede, if you want to continue to have to work two jobs, if you want to use that credit card to make ends meet at the end of the month, if you want to be anxious every day of your life, the job you've got and how you're barely hanging on, if you were fired, you're 90 days away.
I don't care if you're middle class, you're 90 days away from financial oblivion.
But that ticking time bomb, what's going to happen to me when I get older?
Do I have enough for retirement?
Is Social Security even going to be here?
Even the Social Security at $1,000 a month, is that going to pay for anything?
That anxiety eats away at people like acid.
And if you want that to continue and get worse, then let's just have the system we got now.
Let's have two trillion.
Listen, it's not going to change.
The elites in this country, if it was a crisis for them, it would change tomorrow morning.
It's not changing because it works for the wealthy and powerful.
And the wealthy and powerful, people are now waking up, control the Democratic Party.
The entire Democratic Party is kind of a phony.
And let me give you a specific example.
When Biden won, in the first hundred days, they put up this thing about taxing the billionaires.
They got to tax the billionaires, tax the billionaires.
They controlled the House and the Senate.
That never even got to a committee.
There was no taxing of the wealthy under Biden.
There was never even an attempt to tax the wealthy.
Why?
Because the wealthy control the Democratic Party.
They've abandoned the working class and we for years have worked and have the working class on our side now, right, including African American men, Hispanics, right?
They've abandoned it to this credential class, this kind of, you know, phony degrees support, you know, coming out of these universities and these people that hang on to these kind of marginal jobs that are all because of government spending and corporate spending that support this.
It's controlled by the billionaires.
If it wasn't, where was your tax cut?
Where did the Democratic Party for either eight years under Obama or four years under Biden, 12 years?
Show me one effort at all to go after the 1%.
It wasn't.
You had Elizabeth Warren running around and setting up the Consumer Bureau.
That's kind of, it's like the minimum wage thing.
That's a SOP that run around that doesn't get to the core of the problem.
The core of the problem is you have to get to the administrative state, which is their mechanism of how they control things.
And you have to cut spending.
And you have to raise taxes on them.
I'm the only one on the right that is a strong proponent that this tax extension has to be more tax cuts for the working class.
You have to cut tax on tips, tax on overtime, tax on bonuses, taxes on Social Security.
That's another, I don't know, $5, $6, $7, $800 billion a year of decreased revenue.
You've got to make that up somewhere.
So if you can't do it in growth, and I can do the math, I don't see us getting to 5% growth.
I don't see growth getting as I think growth is important.
I think President Trump and Besson are focused on that to get us to 3, 3.5%.
There's going to be a gap.
That gap has to come from the wealthy.
You can't extend the tax cuts for the top upper bracket.
You can't.
The math just doesn't work.
And that will be the first time we're putting them on notice because I tell people, just in doing that, we'll bitch slap them to say, you've got to be a partner in getting this thing under control.
No more Are you just going to benefit from it?
That's what's happening now.
And the country is starting to wake up to this.
This is why the economic message of populism and economic nationalism is getting traction now.
And people are looking around and go, okay, I'm starting to understand it.
That is the wave of the future of politics in this country.
This is where the big fights are going to be.
michael kirk
Let me ask you about the law firms, because you explained why that was part of this, why the law firms were so powerful, why they were part of this corporate interest.
Can you help me understand the effect?
of when those orders come out.
I mean, they're pretty shocking to a lot of people.
steve bannon
They're shocking to Steve Bannon.
They're shocking, though.
I am so impressed.
Here's why.
These law firms are embedded.
These law firms, and if you look in the old days of Edward Bennett Williams and Bob Strauss, fixers in Washington, that's not what this is.
These are highly sophisticated apparatuses working with private equity like Latham and Watkins and Carlisle in the Imperial Capital, or working with these Wall Street hedge funds or private equity funds, essentially control the country.
The power of what President Trump did, and I don't think only the most sophisticated on their side, but I was stunned of how brilliantly thoughtful it was.
Because they went after, the media bit on, they took away the security clearances.
They took away the security clearances.
Really, that was just a means to say no more government contracts, no more government work.
The key and the killer line, though, which was absolutely brilliant, they embedded down in the executive order, oh, by the way, any firm that retains you will not be eligible for government contracts.
They went after Paul Weiss first.
Is Paul Weiss the most powerful law firm in the country?
No.
Is it the biggest law firm in the country?
No.
It's not a Kirkland Ellis or a Latham and Watkins or a Scad and Arbs.
But behind the scenes, Paul.
Weiss is incredibly powerful.
They have been the organizer, this guy Carp, but the whole firm have been the organizer of kind of the opposition to Trump, particularly among Democrats.
It shouldn't be lost on anybody that when Murdoch wanted to get rid of ALS, what firm did he pick?
Paul Weiss, right?
To do the independent assessment.
They would do a lot of dirty work, and they're quite powerful.
In that, and I was stunned after that was sent, essentially, they collapsed in their opposition.
And why was that?
The other law firms started poaching their clients.
It was their partners who are unified in their hatred of Trump.
And Carp himself, who's the kind of ringleader.
They cratered why?
Because the rest of these piranhas, immediately when they saw the executive order, they went after their clients and said, hey, you're not going to have any access to government contracts.
And here's why.
The American people should understand.
They all feed at the trough of public money.
That's your money.
You're paying for that.
If you're making $32,000 a year and you're watching PBS in your small TV in your apartment in Chicago and working two jobs, right?
And you're a liberal and you watch PBS and you feel better every day, you're a sucker.
Why was this so massive?
Why did they crater?
Why did one of the most powerful law firms in the country went to the Oval Office as a supplicant and begged for mercy because they want access to your tax money.
You're working two jobs and can barely survive and have no retirement and no health care, right?
And the reason is your money, your hard-earned money is going to pay to a system that every day fucks you.
Every day fucks you and does it openly.
That's why it cratered.
They cratered because they weren't going to have access to government.
It wasn't the security clearances.
That was a means to an end.
They weren't going to be able to feed it to public trough.
And here's the thing, when you talk about the $40 million for philanthropic, you know, he's going to do $40 million of pro bona work or $100 million scadden arms.
The way that the systems work with the NGOs, all these radical NGOs, the color revolution that Rachel Maddow talks about every night, the reason that these guys are able to be so powerful, those NGOs, they have the best law firms in the country working for them.
That $100 million, not because you want philanthropic work, is to take away the opportunity cost so they can't work for the radical left.
The whole system changes with this.
This is quite frankly brilliant in its conception and it's even more brilliant in its execution.
And here's what I tell people.
They're not that powerful.
This whole system has been so powerful and law firms in the country, and guess what?
People's now appetites are wet.
They're going to go after all of them.
You have to break them all.
Particularly the two that you've got to break.
We'll get down to the end.
It's Kirkland and Ellis and Latham and Watkins.
Kirkland and Ellis is Obama's law firm.
You know, they've already got Covington and Burley, which is Wizz's holder.
But Kirkland and Ellis and Latham and Watkins, because those are the two big intersections between, they're essentially private equity organizations now.
You'll get to those at the end and break them.
But no, this is people should understand.
And this is why now on MSNBC, this takes up 20 minutes of programming almost in each show every night because they now understand, oh my God, this may be the mortal blow that destroys it.
This is going down to the mechanics of how the system works.
This is so profound.
This and going after the universities.
And what shocked me is Columbia folded.
That was a historic day.
And I've been a big advocate because I am a maximalist.
Don't go after the Ivies.
Yes, Harvard, you should go there.
But you showed it in Columbia.
You can get to all them.
You have to go to the public Ivies.
You have to go to the University of Michigan, the University of Wisconsin, University of Virginia, University of North Carolina, University of Texas, Austin, Berkeley, UCLA.
I'll throw on University of Florida and University of Arizona.
Those 10.
Go to them today.
And it's not about this, because I think we're too narrowcasting this about the Palestinian Gaza thing.
It's much broader than that.
It's not those kids.
The kids on the common are not the problem.
The problem is in the faculty and the administration.
I would be much more radical.
I would go to the big state universities today, these great public Ivies, and say right off the bat, you either purge the faculty Senate or purge the administration immediately or you cut off all money.
In the state of Michigan and the state of Wisconsin can't there's no way this is billions of dollars to go to these universities these things would fold they would crater in 24 hours and then you would get to the right you would lance the boil that's driving this radicalness on college campuses but also throughout America because they all the common theme is that it's all public money If you cut USAID, why do they run around USAID?
Because it's publicly has basically fueled the revolution in this country.
Once you cut off the public money or once you cut off these radical, these law firms that are radicals, these neo-Marxists, right?
Culturally, not economically.
Once you cut off the public money or access to it, they fold.
They're not that powerful.
You've seen a system that has had so many of the institutions under control, they got lazy.
They never thought a Trump would come along, and they never thought a Trump could get that message out to working-class people and actually have power in back of his punch.
That's the great struggle we have today.
And it's not being reported correctly.
Number one, I just don't think the media has spent time thinking this through about what's really going on.
They're all running around with their hair on fire.
Oh, my gosh, this, this, and this.
There's actually a very well thought through plan on this, and the opposition knows this.
The law firms understand this.
The NGOs understand this.
Rachel Matter understands this.
Watch her show.
Watch what she's really talking about.
She understands exactly what goes on, what's going on, and she understands the stakes about the stakes or how high these stakes are.
michael kirk
When they reach that agreement, what are they agreeing to?
The president said they're bending to me.
You said they come to him as a supplicant.
I mean, are they agreeing to not attack the, not represent clients, attacking the government?
What's the crucial agreement that they're making?
Is it loyalty?
steve bannon
It's not loyalty.
I think it's not I think it's the fact that first of all they're not going to fund, they're not going to do all this pro bona work for these other organizations, right?
And number two, that they're not going to attack the government, not sue the government frivolously, which I think is a huge, a huge, a huge thing.
It's not that, look, if they've got a case that's meaningful, I'm sure they'll take it and they'll continue on, or their partners will resign.
You've already had some of the younger associates at Scad and Arps saying, we'll never agree to this, and we'll go do it our way.
But it should not be lost on people that Scad and Arps and Paul Weiss, two of the most powerful law firms in the country, basically cratered.
michael kirk
Has the administration chosen immigration as a place to make a stand with the courts?
Is that intentional or do you think that's how it developed?
steve bannon
When you say immigration, look, How can anybody on the left sit there and not be humiliated by the lies, quite frankly, the lies that were supported by your channel and your show year after year after year?
And the Republicans picked up on it.
I'm not just picking on radical Democrats.
It's, by the way, when you guys are shut down and all the money's gone, it's this type of thing that it's the lies and misrepresentation you told on basic issues like the invasion of our country.
It's been stopped in 60 days, guys.
We've started to get control of this immediately because of President Trump's just direct actions.
In the courts, I think you're talking about, it's not the Mast Deportation, remember.
I believe we're two, once again, in the spectrum of this, President Trump's a matter trying to balance everything.
His right wing is for mass deportations of all 10 million.
And let's be specific, that just came in on Biden's watch.
Anything that happened beforehand, we'll have to think that through in the future.
I'm just talking about what happened from January 20th of 2021 all the way till January 20th of 2025.
In that four years, what Biden did, which was a very well thought through, in conjunction with the NGOs that were paid for by either your religious organizations like the Catholic, the Lutherans, or the Jews, right?
Catholic charities being the worst, and I'm a Catholic.
Or USAID, paid for by your taxpayer dollars, to basically bring in economic competition that Wall Street wanted, the corporatists wanted, because they want to drive down wages.
So if you're sitting in Chicago watching your PBS as a convinced liberal, understand that your government, that government at the time was organized.
It wasn't chaotic.
It was a very organized way to basically bring in cheaper labor into the United States to drive down wages among lower skilled workers, which is unacceptable.
So right now, we're not even talking about about mass deportations, which is the point that MACA wants to get to quickly, because they all have to go home.
They all have to go home.
You're not going to have a country unless every invader goes back to the origin.
What we're talking about now is a national security issue.
Let's go back to the unified executive theory.
He's commander-in-chief of the armed forces and can make decisions about national security.
You have a radical judge that's in certain situations.
This has nothing to do with immigration.
This has to do with his role as commander-in-chief.
Can a federal judge step in the middle of that and start making decisions about airplane., you know, capacity, lift, who's going to go, what's going to go, et cetera.
You have an organization, he's designated as a terrorist criminal organization that's terrorized people from Colorado to all over the country, and he's shipping them out of here.
And he's going to continue to ship them out of here.
You've had a judge insert himself in that role.
It's now at the Supreme Court.
I, you know, it'll get expedited, I assume, and we'll see.
So no, you can't let these radical judges do it, and this is going to be a showdown.
It has to be a showdown.
michael kirk
And the rhetoric about the judge,'cause a lot of lawyers say, you know, all of the rhetoric, calling for impeachment, the radical left lunatic, that this,
steve bannon
This is why we're defeating the left.
The American people, as they see this, they go, these guys are a bunch of fucking lying scumbags, which you are a bunch of lying fucking scumbags.
You terrorize, you try to terrorize Supreme Court justices over a decision that didn't go your way.
And now I'm a huge believer by playing by the system.
The system, we should get these judges, and I'm an advocate.
I'm not saying impeach them right now.
That's for the House of Representatives to decide.
However, the Judiciary Committee should immediately get Beryl Howe and was it Boseberg in immediately for a public hearing about their conduct?
Absolutely.
And let's put it before the American people.
Let's put what these two have done.
These two are radicals.
Put them on notice.
You put them through this process.
Whether you impeach them or not, all these other judges are going to fold.
Here's what we know.
If you take power.
This system's not so tough.
You know why?
They're all gutless cowards.
They've all hid behind the system for decades and decades and decades.
So the university administrators, they're not that tough.
The big law firms, they're not that tough.
The media, look who's cratered.
How many times, look how they're settling with Trump.
They're not tough.
We're resilient.
We're anti-fragile and we're tough.
You can put us in fucking prison.
You can take Trump up there and put him on trial every day.
The people around Trump are battle hardened.
Okay, you're not going to scare us and we're not going to stop.
And what we know is you guys are a bunch of pussies.
You will crater.
PBS is going to crater.
You know why?
You're not tough.
You don't believe actually at your core in what you're trying to do.
And you'll fold, like the law firms, like the universities, like the media, like all of these institutions.
You will fold because we're relentless and we're not going to stop.
michael kirk
So when it gets up to the Supreme Court, which is where it's going to end up, I mean, how is it going to play out?
And a lot's going to come onto John Roberts.
steve bannon
And ACB.
michael kirk
And ACB.
steve bannon
And, I mean, this is why I think President Trump, I think Mike Davis and some of the people that have been at the forefront of this have said, you know, comply with no matter how radical, no matter how some judge in Rhode Island puts a nationwide ban on the entire thing, comply with that, right, so that you don't rattle the courts, because these are eventually going to go up to the courts, and they want to make sure you play by the rules.
Now, I'm actually being a maximalist.
Some of these things I wouldn't have complied with, but they have, and I think you're going to have to see when it comes out to the Supreme Court.
So I don't want to prejudge what's going to happen, but a lot of these, on every part of the theory, right, whether he's chief executive and can make decisions on personnel and money, right, and executive action.
As commander-in-chief, can he actually ship out these criminal terrorists?
As the chief magistrate, things doing with the Justice Department, the FBI, they're all going to the Supreme Court, right?
And now there's, what, 82 lawsuits and more coming every day, right?
But you're going to see a lot of these are not pro bona work anymore by the big law firms.
Carrie Lake told me the other day on VOA, I think they got eight or nine.
So that's how the system works, and we'll have to see how it plays out.
But yes, you have a constitutional crisis because One of the tests of this theory is that it's supposed to be checks and balances.
We got into the system for years.
You had judicial supremacy.
And I kept even saying to the Mark Levinson, these guys who are very smart, the constitutional guys, they're all.
everything's getting down to Supreme Court decisions.
Well, I said the founders never gave the Supreme Court to be supreme.
You never agreed to judicial supremacy.
And what you're seeing now is a judicial insurrection about somebody that's challenging judicial supremacy.
That's going to have to be worked out.
And that is, I would say the courts threw us into a constitutional crisis because they want to be supreme to the chief executive.
And so this is going to play out.
We're going to see how it plays.
I strongly believe we're going to win.
michael kirk
I mean, you said that there were some court rulings you wouldn't comply with.
The president has said that he would comply with court rulings.
steve bannon
He has.
michael kirk
Do you think that there's a...
steve bannon
On that one, I think we're in a gray area.
My belief is he's so set in on this issue of being Commander-Chief, and that's why I think it's the one that's expedited to the Supreme Court.
We don't know as of now whether it's going to be, I think it's going to be in the emergency docket that's still up in the air.
I think it probably will be because I think this one has to be sorted.
That's one I think he's already, because they did send the 17 Venezuelans, I think on Sunday night, to Venezuela, right, who accepted them.
So I think this is, but I think they're complying, if you look across, they're complying across the border with the rest.
michael kirk
But should the courts be wary?
Do you think that there's a moment where the president, the administration might say this has gone too far?
I mean, should...
steve bannon
I think the courts would be very worried.
You can make a rule and go ahead and enforce it.
I think the court, you have to rein in the courts.
They've been too radical.
This is a judicial insurrection.
I strongly believe that this is going to be a learning exercise.
And what we're trying to do is go back and try to, more and more in the coming weeks is make sure our audience understands this goes back or really goes back to FDR and the packing of the court but specifically it goes back very much to Watergate and the judicial insurrection you had in Watergate in the same court in this DC court that's out of control with Saruka okay everything is that's the real head of all this and
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We'll be right back.
steve bannon
This showdown, which if you just had country club Republicans, we're never going to, Bill Barr and that crowd, but the Bush, all that crowd, and they talk about Cheney and all that, this is actually a fight that had to happen.
This had to happen between the courts and the executive branch, okay?
It's happened because Trump and people around him understand the constitution and understand what we have to do to get back to a constitutional republic to take on the administrative state and take on the deep state.
Chaining those guys, it was totally different.
It was there just to self-aggronize power.
And quite frankly, I think hide a lot of abuses on the Iraq war that I was against right so this is a real showdown and this is for the highest stakes and this is from both sides are going to give as good as they get the opposition of this is you're bringing your best I mean you've got the best lawyers you have the best thinkers on your side and they understand what the stakes are they particularly understand what the stakes are of cutting off government funding to the to the NGOs.
They understand how much of this has been on the public trough.
They also understand as we go against things like Act Blue, the mechanics of how actually the stuff is funded away from the government on the foreign billionaires.
So we're going after the infrastructure and the plumbing and the wiring of the whole system of the radical left.
So the states couldn't be higher.
And they know that.
That's why this is such an important fight.
And I keep saying, one side's going to win and one side's going to lose.
There's no ground for compromise.
You can't compromise.
with our opposition.
They're not going to compromise with us.
They don't believe in anything that we stand for.
They think we're, that all they talk about is autocratic breakthrough.
This is the moment of autocratic breakthrough.
This is the moment when Donald Trump becomes dictator.
What he's trying to do is trying to get back to what the Constitution says and make sure that we're not a dictatorship, because we have been a dictatorship.
As you can see by how the Justice Department was weaponized against people and sent guys like—tried to send Trump to prison for 300 years, which they still want to do, and sent guys like Peter Navarro and myself to prison, right, for discussions on checks and balances.
So, no, these are the highest stakes, and this is going to be fought down to the bitter end, and I can tell people right now, we are not— are not going to quit we're not going to surrender we're not going to take uh our our foot off the gas pedal it's all gas no break explain that because that that criticism of autocracy and the thing that we have heard is people who say the president doesn't seem to respect the rule of law or courts or whatever.
He doesn't respect the rule of lawyers.
He respects the rule of law.
He's complied with all this.
He spent all this time putting judges in.
What do you mean we don't respect the rule of law?
He absolutely respects the rule of law.
It's the other side that didn't respect the rule of law that went after people that from school boards to people at abortion centers.
to people just opposed them on what they were trying to do and trying to break the Constitution.
Look, it's not me.
Have your audience ask themselves a question.
The J-6 Committee, did they not crawl to on their bellies to the White House and ask for something that's never been given in the history of this country, a blanket preemptive pardon?
Your audience should ask themselves, if there's so rule of law, why did they go crawling for something that's never been given in American history, a blanket preemptive pardon, and plus their staffs.
I happen to think they're not legitimate.
I think they ought to be pursued because that's when you saw the breakdown of rule of law.
They're gangsters.
michael kirk
That a lot of people say that there'll be a moment where somebody's going to blink the courts or the president, and is he going to blink?
steve bannon
Donald Trump does not blink.
Donald Trump's about ac so providential about the election being stolen in 2020.
He had four years is kind of in exile, right?
Kind of a lion in winter.
This thing has been so thought through.
The team has been so put together.
And remember, these are people that volunteered for this back in 21 and 22, understanding by getting on this Trump team and working through these issues, lawyers, people like Stephen Miller, Brooks Rollins, the people at Heritage, Russ Vote, who are now all the core team.
They understood by signing up for this in those early years, you were basically anathema to the Republican establishment.
You wouldn't be in a Nicki Haley administration.
You would not be in a Ron DeSantis administration.
So it's all in.
Trump is not only not going to blink, he's going to win, but you're absolutely correct.
There's going to come, this is going to come, it's going to build up to a crescendo.
And we're going to see.
And this is why I keep telling people, one side's going to win and one side's going to lose.
There's nothing to compromise.
There's two different And it's either a constitutional republic under the rule of law, or it's not.
And that is what you're going to see in this kind of battle that's going to take place and continue until it reaches a crescendo.
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Pretty breathtaking.
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He's dropped the hammer and he ain't letting up.
Pedal to the metal.
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