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Aug. 21, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4723: Massive Victories In Lawfare Against Trump
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steve bannon
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ben harnwell
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chris hoar
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grayson quay
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john solomon
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peter navarro
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peter navarro
certainly focus on that little story but what I suggest to you as journalists is that there's two really bigger stories that you might want to report on and even do some research on because these are big issues.
This is not about me.
One of the big stories is about what is really an unprecedented assault on the constitutional separation of powers and the doctrine of executive privilege as a critical tool dating back to George Washington of effective presidential decision-making.
When I walk in that prison today, the justice system, such as it is, will have done a crippling blow to the constitutional separation of powers and executive privilege.
The second and related story has to do with the emergence of lawfare and the partisan weaponization of our justice system, which we have seen come to this country with a vengeance since the coming of Donald John Trump as president.
And that keeps getting worse.
So let me walk you through those two stories.
And again, I'm hoping as journalists, you will do some background, some research.
I'm asking you to fact-check everything I say today and write the bigger stories here, which I think are the important ones.
So let's talk about some facts here.
I am the first senior White House.
steve bannon
Okay, right there.
That was historic.
19 March of the year 20, Year of our Lord 2024.
Dr. Peter Navarro, that is right outside the prison in Miami.
And Peter, what I always admired about you, totally unflappable.
People got to understand when you're about to step into prison because you don't know what's on the other side.
Your calm, collective, it's just like you're right at Pebble Beach today just talking about an EU trade deal.
You walk through the separation of powers, you walk through executive privilege, and you talk about you're the first senior member of a White House staff ever to go to prison for standing up and defending the President of the United States, sir.
peter navarro
Well, I wish the journalists had taken my advice and actually done their homework, but you and I got to do it for them.
That's why I wrote the book I went to prison so you won't have to.
That's why that Breitbart article is out today and why that Breitbart article is really important and really explains the whole kind of conspiracy against Donald Trump in a way which ties everything together.
It's like people know about the Russia hoax, they might know about Arctic Frost, they might know about all these different kinds of things, but no one really has weaved together the whole theme of this, and the thing that ties it all together is this tale of Walter Giardina, the FBI agent.
I call him the Forest Gump from Hades.
He pops up literally everywhere.
And thanks to Senator Grassley for getting all this out.
us out thanks to the whistleblowers inside the FBI.
But we need to get to the bottom of all this, Cathy, because if we don't hold these people accountable, they'll do it again.
steve bannon
Oh, no.
We're going to do that.
peter navarro
They'll do it.
steve bannon
But I don't want to give too much.
I don't want to give too much.
I don't want to give too much.
I don't want to give away too much of the book, because I want people to read it, particularly your discussion about in prison.
And it's very important, folks.
Peter Navarro was over seventy years old when they put him in prison, and he took it like a soldier.
He took it just like a trooper.
I do want to, though, before I let you go, about this FBI agent.
You're a senior advisor to the president.
And people should understand as an assistant to the president, That is the equivalent of a major general.
I think the rank is a major general in the army, the air force, or a admiral in the navy.
You served honorably.
You really changed the direction of this country by being the manufacturing and trade and tariff senior advisor to the president that has changed the arc of American history and American economic history for working class people and the middle class, not just now but for generations to come.
You were at Reagan National, and for what was basically a civil dispute between, we refused to testify what we now know was an illegal committee that they all got pardons for and all illegitimate pardons on the auto pen, but we'll deal with that another day.
We know the criminality of their staffs who went over there and begged for those pardons because they knew the crimes they were committing against myself, Peter Navarre, but most importantly, the President of the United States to try to put him in prison.
They went to National Airport and they basically went there to humiliate you.
They went there, they dragged you out, they put you in chains, they gave you the handcuffs to go around, but also the leg irons.
What they did is absolutely unacceptable and they're going to pay for it.
Not just that FBI guy, but everybody that signed off.
And I want them to know and their lawyers know we're coming for you guys and we're coming hard and there's a lot of work behind the scenes to make sure that you go to prison and when you go to prison it ain't going to be for four months it's going to be for four years plus dr. Navarre your closing thoughts on this topic we're going to have you a lot on between now when we do the book launch doing an official book launch on the 13th of September and a place to be determined we're going to announce that in the next couple weeks your closing observations sir Look,
peter navarro
Steve, you and I, look, I think it's fair to say we're warriors.
We know what we got into when we got into fighting all of the.
people that we have to fight every day are trying to destroy this country.
What I'll never forgive them for, particularly Walter Giordina, is perp walking my fiance out of there.
That you don't involve family.
I lived literally across the street from the FBI.
I was a field goal kicker back in the day.
I could literally kick a football into their top floor there.
And they chose to do what they did.
So I went to prison so you won't have to.
I'm your wake-up call.
If they can come for me, if they can come for Donald Trump, if they can come for Steve Bannon.
Steve, you and I went to prison.
They can come for the rest of you, War Room.
So let's get them.
I'm an Old Testament kind of guy.
It's not about retribution.
It's about holding them accountable.
unidentified
I don't know.
steve bannon
See, Navarro, you're not a particularly religious guy, but you're a good man, so you're not for retribution.
I'm retribution, baby.
I'm all for it.
in it.
peter navarro
I'm both old-fashioned.
steve bannon
Particularly for these scumbags.
No, we got to hold them accountable.
Anyway, Peter, where they go for your social media.
peter navarro
I'm just thinking of showing you one thing I want to show you.
steve bannon
The Breitbart article we're putting up.
Go ahead, sir.
Yep.
peter navarro
Well, one thing I want to show you one thing.
I want to show you your audience today on Pebble Beach.
Everybody watching the World Room.
Okay.
unidentified
We got we got the entire press corps here watching this.
peter navarro
Anyway, go to go to no good.
I want to do you a favor.
Go to amazon.com.
And I went to prison so you won't have to.
Buy the book.
If you're not reading books anymore, buy one for a friend.
steve bannon
Love that cover.
peter navarro
The important thing is to get the message out.
And that's why I wrote the damn thing.
So always a pleasure to talk to you, Mr. Bannon.
And let's get on.
steve bannon
Always, sir.
And thank you for co-hosting in my absence.
By the way, the media's over there because they think you're breaking all kinds of scoops over here.
They see Real America's Voice and then Navarre.
They know it's going to be trouble.
Peter, thank you so much, man.
Love your brother.
Love you.
peter navarro
That's right.
steve bannon
It's a great book.
peter navarro
I got you, brother.
steve bannon
We're going to get to more...
Dr. Peter Navarre, my older brother, John Solomon Jones is now.
John, you've been at the forefront, the tip of the spear on this investigation to set things right.
I know you got a bunch of updates on what Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, but you're going to show us a little ankle on a big story you're going to break this afternoon, hopefully by the time you're on live at 6 o'clock.
What do you got for us?
john solomon
Steve, look, just happened a few seconds ago, a federal, A New York Appeals Court has thrown out the $515 million judgment that Letitia James imposed on President Trump, calling it a violation of the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against excessive penalty against Americans.
This is a major win for the president.
It just happened about 30 seconds ago up on just the news.
But the unraveling of the weaponization of the...
When a New York Democrat Appeals Court throws out something against Donald Trump, you know the abuses were bad.
That just happened a few seconds ago.
Let me tell you what I'm working on.
There were some documents we had on your show last week.
We leaned into it on your show about the leaks and all the leaks coming out of the FBI.
In that memos, there was a large redacted.
chunk of thing that I knew to be from my own prior reporting something to be very significant.
It's going to delve specifically about what was going on in James Comey's inner circle when it came to leaking classified information and leaking other important things.
Because of the good work of Pam Bondi and Cash Patel, their two sides working together, they were able to unredactor, erase the redactions.
And tonight we're going to be able to see for the first time how much the United States government knew about what was going on in James Comey's inner circle without creating any punishment for him or the people around him.
So we'll be getting that soon.
But this is a big moment.
And some of these events.
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Make sure I want to make sure I understand this.
This is actually going to directly tie Comey now.
Comey with the head of the FBI with releasing classified information and to try to drive some narratives?
john solomon
The memo is clearly about the leaks investigation.
There was a section about James Comey that had been previously redacted.
So we'll see what it says.
I don't want to get ahead of my skis.
I want to be fair to everybody.
Let's do the reporting.
But I did know and I fought for a week to get this information redacted.
And to the credit of the Attorney General, to the credit of the FBI director, who, by the way, have a thousand other jobs like saving people in DC from crime and other things, they took the time to look at this.
They agreed that it didn't need to be redacted, that it is important to the American public.
Those documents are going to be transmitted to Congress.
I think we'll know about them shortly, but there are secrets, deep secrets about the FBI and the James Comey era we still don't know about.
And I think we're beginning to get a picture of what the Justice Department looked like under Jeff Sessions and Rod Rosenstein.
I think there were moments of information that were available to that Justice Department.
and that some of the failures of accountability don't go back to the Obama era, like the things we talked about last week, but some of them rest on the first Justice Department under Donald Trump.
Case in point.
This morning we have a really important story.
It shows that after the FBI was turned down not once, not twice, but three times for investigating corruption against Hillary Clinton's foundation, three years later, the IRS got contacted by whistleblowers.
One of them was the DEA's one of their top counterterterrorism intelligence analysts for a long time.
He actually testified at some famous post-911 hearings, very decorated, very trusted.
all across the law enforcement community.
They believe that the Clinton Foundation and other nonprofits and corporations working with them were involved in an illegal tax scheme.
The IRS agents on the front line, just like the IRS agents who were pursuing Hunter Biden right around the same time, ironically, they started building a big case and they're working with the whistleblowers and they're moving forward or even talking about treating the whistleblowers as confidential witnesses.
And all of a sudden, it gets shut down.
Just we can't talk about it anymore.
We're done.
That went on Donald Trump's tenure, first time.
That's what we're starting to see.
steve bannon
Hold it.
Are you going to be able to show that the Justice Department under Rod Rosenstein and Sessions shut that investigation down?
john solomon
They did.
Oh, the documents are up on our site.
You can go on the site now.
You know what the excuse was?
They didn't have enough resources to look at the Clinton Foundation.
Come on, now, really?
The IRS had 87,000 agents and plenty of people.
Yeah.
The deep state was deep, even in the Trump administration.
steve bannon
You're breaking something every day.
Where do people go to get the show?
Where do they go to get the Solomon Reports, Justin News, all of it, and your Twitter feed, because people have to stay up to date on this, brother.
You're breaking big news every day.
john solomon
The show I follow you every night at six o'clock on Real American's Voice.
Proud to do that.
Justin News, no noise.
The website, justinnews dot com dot My social media, Jay Solomon Reports, on all platforms.
steve bannon
Incredible.
Tonight on his show by that time hopefully we'll have everything pulled together in this Comey situation wow and to know they didn't pursue the Clintons because of lack of resources maybe you would have run that up the flagpole and seen who's it's embarrassing that's it's ridonculous it's ridonculous John Solomon thank you brother appreciate you taking time out this morning to do this He's got to go to John Solomon's every day.
He's probably the tip of the spear right now of breaking these stories because I think people realize it's a pretty safe pair of hands to be able to get information to.
Extraordinary.
Just extraordinary.
What a morning.
Warriors all.
We're going to Rome next.
We're going to do a reality check on this Ukraine situation.
And you're going to see it in all its horror, in all the tragedy next in the war.
peter navarro
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peter navarro
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peter navarro
That's right.
You can follow all of your favorites.
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steve bannon
On Getter, it's totally free.
Look, it's the best platform out there for using it being easy to use on social media.
Why?
Because I'm a complete moron in that, and I can use it and put stuff up all day.
If you're on Getter, you would have seen from ODARK30 this morning, I started putting up with this boldface reality check, and I think I put up a half a dozen articles.
about what the reality in Ukraine is.
And I think we're directionally where this is going to head.
And I'm proud, you know, Ben Harnwell is in Rome, going to join us here momentarily.
I'm very proud that between Ben Harnwell and Jack Besobic, myself and the others that we had on here going back to February and March of 2022 at the beginning of this total and complete, beyond a fiasco now, tragedy.
And the blood and the people that drove this.
and the people that we fought all along, the blood that's on their hands is never going to be able to wiped out because now I think we understand the scale of this and it makes sense everything that happened over the last week from Friday in Alaska all the way through the dog and pony show that these Europeans try to put on for President Trump in the Oval Office and then later at the Ukrainian embassy and beforehand with the General Kellogg and team,
of which, by the way, I think we need to start having some accountability because I'm not sure information is getting to all the right sources.
So let me go back.
If you're on Getter, you saw it this morning.
Immediately upon their return to Europe, The Germans said we don't have the resources to put anybody on the line of contact to really have anything to do with security guarantees, maybe we can put up some money or maybe some weapons.
And gosh, one of the reasons we don't have manpower is because we have a whole battalion that we put up in, I think, Latvia, right?
We put a whole battalion of people up there and we're really strapped.
Of course, this is a country that's trying to get manpower and they can't get people to serve.
Why?
Because only 9% of German, I think it's men.
want to defend their country.
So that's Germany.
UK, Starmer gets off the plane and the head of the, and this was on reporter in The Guardian, I put it up, another article.
They report right away, Starmer doesn't have the resources.
The military is sitting there going, we cannot be on the line of contact.
Maybe we can take a port and maybe we can defend Odessa and maybe we put some people in the port or maybe in the air.
This is the same navy that's not giving us virtually any help while the United States Navy keeps the Suez Canal open so that 97% of the goods and services that go through there are the goods that serve Europe and keep Europe connected to Asia and also to the Middle East.
So England's out.
And they're also financially a debacle.
And as you know, they're going to need their own troops for the coming civil war in England, which is going to happen.
Macron goes up and he's talking big talk.
He's big talking Macron.
He's Napoleon, you know, the fifth or whatever it is.
He's talking big talk.
He's the embodiment of De Gaulle.
And the Politico does an amazing piece, Politico Europe.
They got a good team over there.
And they eviscerate all of them.
And remember, Politico is not exactly war room, right?
They eviscerate all of them and say, hey, these guys don't have the finances.
They've got massive economic problems.
They don't have enough military for their own.
And plus, France has got its own issues, what they've done to allow these radical jihadists into their country.
So that's out.
Poland didn't even get on the plane.
You know why Poland didn't get on the plane?
They didn't want to embarrass President Trump by putting some phony front up.
Now what got revealed?, and this is coming from different Russian sources, but it's been kind of verified.
Maybe the number is not totally accurate, but they're saying Russian cyber hackers have released information that show that Ukraine has 1.7 million casualties dead and wounded.
Now, the reason is kind of, or at least directionally makes sense, President Trump keeps talking about classified information that he's seen that shows you the killing is much worse, and that's what he wants to stop is the killing.
What this reinforces, particularly when you look at the scale, it's not 2022 and 2023.
In 2025, according to these hackers, and they supposedly back it up, and there's a lot of these podcasts now that are going through some of the details.
625,000 dead and wounded Ukrainians since the beginning of this year.
This kind of makes sense because this is why it's been a massive fight in their parliament by parents saying, you're not taking my young sons and daughters.
It's not going to happen.
And they've stopped that.
But what they've done is open it up that people over 60 years old can go serve in the military.
Here's the brutal facts.
And this is why the Russians won't agree to a ceasefire.
It's just the ironclad logic of war.
The Europeans don't have the money, the resources to defend themselves.
This whole thing with Zelensky sitting there, well, I'm going to dig in here.
And I'm going to, dude, if we don't put up the the money and don't put up the arms, and I think now the fact is the more money we put up and the more arms, you're just going to have more dead Ukrainians.
I think Jack Posobik, Ben Harnwell, Stephen K. Bannon, and others on this show back in the beginning days of the war back in 2022 mentioned Professor Mersheimer, you know, the EU elites are going to fight until the last Ukrainian is dead.
Well, that's what they're doing.
This is pretty logical.
And Hugo Lowell, the great Hugo Lowell over at The Guardian, who does a really good job of covering President Trump.
Look, it's The Guardian, so it's going to be left-wing.
But he just said today on really good reporting, well reported and looks like well-sourced from the White House, President Trump's kind of going, hey, I'm going to step back for a second.
I kind of seen the playing field.
I've seen how these guys are not really stepping up.
And I told him they had to let Zelensky and Putin figure out if they can get into a room for a bilat.
If they do, then I'm around for a trilat.
But I'm not going over.
I'm not making phone calls to make this meeting happen.
You know, good on you.
You got each other's numbers.
Let's make it happen.
I don't think we're going to be talking in the coming days.
And I think this has got to be a reality check for people.
And particularly those demons in the Senate that are trying to push through a $58 billion, another bailout package for the Ukrainians so Zelensky and that crew can griff more off the top.
Okay.
The blood, that is blood money.
Right now, because we're going to be in a situation that you're not talking about deal and you're not talking about, oh, this little bit of territory, that.
You're going to be talking about a surrender.
The Europeans are not going to send any troops.
Full stop.
The Europeans are going to send virtually no money.
Full stop because they ain't got it.
They're going to look to Uncle Sugar to do both.
And we need to sit there and go, you cannot continue to do this because more Ukrainians are going to die.
You have to accept some reality here.
I think you're looking at, and since we've called every shot on this right, I'm not so sure you're ever going to get to a quote-unquote deal.
I think now you're going to be looking at what I refer to as a surrender.
Unless Germany steps up with combat personnel, unless France steps up with combat personnel, unless the United Kingdom steps up with combat personnel, and my favorite, Georgia, Georgia Fony Maloney, unless she steps up with combat personnel, I don't know how this thing plays out because the Russians are not going to stop.
They're not going to stop the pounding.
And to look at Russian history.
The leaders of Russia, and that's what Putin is, the KGB, they're not particularly sensitive to the fact that Russian soldiers die in combat.
They'll just keep putting it into the meat grinder.
Ben Harnwell, your thoughts and observations, sir.
ben harnwell
Steve, that was an absolutely magisterial synthesis of everything that has happened in Europe over the last 48 hours.
Let me start with this Hugo Lowell story in The Guardian, because that is, it's mentioned very, very subtly, and the language is toned out, but this is a fundamental shift for those who have eyes to see that the suggestion coming out from the white house now that president trump is just going to say you as you said step in your words you know you've got one another you've got one another's numbers i'm going to pull back now
um he the the official according to this position the informal position um is that presidents putin and zelensky need to sit down and have a bilateral at which point after which point president trump will then come back on board and try and get involved with this trilateral meeting with um with himself.
That's simply not going to happen.
This is just diplomatic speak for President Trump doing what the war room audience has been on its knees begging for, which is basically to put his cards down on the table, say fold, I'm out.
And that is the best thing anyone could hope for.
if they want peace.
Now you said a few things and I'm just going to go over them quickly.
I know we've got a break coming on in a couple of weeks.
Phony Maloney, you mentioned her.
I tweeted on this, I put it out, excuse me, on Getta earlier.
The bridge, the 16 billion, don't forget, at least a tenth of the size of the economy of the United States.
So this equivalent $16 billion bridge between the peninsula and Sicily.
If, just to make the point absolutely explicit, if she really thought that Russia represented an existential threat to Italy, she'd be putting that money in tanks and not on a bridge to nowhere, which she's...
The FT have an article, and this is what I posted a few hours ago, Steve.
The FT have an article saying that even the Sicilians don't want this bridge, right?
That tells you how serious America's EU allies are and how much you can depend on these people.
Total hoax.
Steve, I know we've got a break coming up.
I have a very, very important point I'd like to make to do with what I think America's next steps should be just in a couple of minutes' time.
steve bannon
Yeah.
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steve bannon
Okay, before I go back to Ben in Rome, tomorrow night at 6, I'm going to give everybody kind of appointment scheduling here.
The Transhumanist Temptation.
We talk a lot about artificial intelligence and the convergence of all these forces.
The transformation Book is by Grayson Quay.
It's from Crisis, the publication house, which are extraordinary quality books.
Grayson has written a tremendous book here about the temptation, the risk of this.
Everybody tune in because this is going to be pretty extraordinary.
Couldn't be more excited about this.
We're going to try to get to him this morning for an introduction, but looks like we're having a slight technical problem back at the command ship, but that's okay.
Grayson Quay, the transhumanist temptation.
And remember, we talk a lot about the singularity.
But in the singularity of the conversion, all those forces, the overarching concept is transhumanism, to get beyond Homo sapiens, to get beyond man.
And we're playing with dynamite.
I mean, really playing with dynamite.
And he's got a fantastic book that'll position in a Christian perspective.
I don't think we've had enough of that.
And so I've asked Joe, when I saw this book and read it, it was so extraordinary, asked Joe to track down Grayson.
So we're going to have him on.
Make sure you see it, you tune in, and we're also going to cut it up into different segments.
Make sure we can get it out on social media.
Ben Harnawell.
Folks, just remember that we've been, and it's not the fact that we've been 100% right, and oh, it has nothing to do with that.
It's the fact that you can see when you understand the process of history and if you really understand who the players are, because here's what sickens me.
If you go back and look at the coverage from Alaska with Putin all the way through, it's so stupid and so dumb and so dangerous.
And I include Fox here as one of the worst, but Fox, MSNBC, CNN, it's so juvenile.
It's juvenile and it's dangerous.
Why is it dangerous?
Because now, and it makes sense why the European countries don't want to step in, number one, why they want to suck the United States into it.
They understand their own guilt, their own accountability.
And Boris Johnson, I think you can make an argument for Boris Johnson almost as a war criminal for what he did, understanding the deal he trashed.
And he just said the other day, I think he used the phrase vomit-inducing of President Trump's meeting with Putin.
And I don't think you get any lower or more narcissistic than Boris Johnson.
But all the Europeans are that.
The guilt here, what they're going to describe later is who knew what and when did they know it and kept pushing this.
The Ukrainian people are going to be outraged.
And, hey, they're going to be coming looking for Russians because Russians, you know, were in combat.
But I got to tell you, they're going to be looking.
for trials of people that knew what was going on and drove this for their own financial profit as far as arm dealers go.
And also, you know, the James Stavridis and the Atlantic Council and all that Morning Joe crowd, you know, Richard Haas, all of them.
Lies and misrepresentations.
Nothing but lies.
Nothing but lies.
And who knew this information and who knew the degree of the combat casualties?
Ukraine has played out.
These people are courageous.
These people are virtuous.
These people fought for what they were told was not just a good cause, but a cause that they had a shot of winning.
That was all a lie.
That was all done by the EU and Victoria Nuland and the Davos crowd and all of it.
And if you notice, they still go to the big conferences and they're going to Geneva and they're thinking great thoughts on TV all the time and writing their books.
While the people in Ukraine suffered this, this absolute tragedy and debacle.
And President Trump.
went out of his way with so much going on in the world in the United States went out of his way to put so much time and effort into this and I think you can see now Ben the reality that the Europeans have no intention first off they First off, they have no possible, I just want to make sure people understand because we understand the financial condition of Europe.
We spent so much time there helping the populist nationalist different parties get going, right?
We know what the reality is.
England is broke.
France is broke.
Germany is not broke, but they're trying to drive themselves in being broke, but they have a population that won't defend themselves.
The Poles are going to understand what's going on.
They said, count us out.
That's been one of our real true allies.
The Polish guy said, hey, we're not even coming over because we know who these deadbeats are, and we don't want to embarrass President Trump by taking his time up on something that's a joke.
24 freaking hours after this thing finishes, you go back and they're all in their home countries and they all sit there and go off there all this talk about you need security guarantees and you need article five you need all this what they wanted to do was to suck the united states into that so the united states would get onto the very point of contact with the russian army and defend it and we will never allow that to happen and anybody there lindsey graham's the blood on his hand and
the tom cottons and all the big talk about freedom and democracy would tell it to the 1.7 million that are dead or wounded in ukraine tell them it's disgusting and revolting what you did and right now, the countries of Europe, for all their big talk and coming over and the flags and all that, they never had any intention because they don't have the capability.
They don't have the financial wherewithal.
They don't have the military wherewithal.
More importantly, they don't have the political will.
The people of those countries are not prepared.
They're prepared to do it when the United States is doing it.
But when it comes back to them and says, hey, you actually got to pay up, it's like, oh, I don't have no intention of doing that.
No intention.
That's where we are.
And that's why you've got to put the S word on the table, the surrender word.
Okay?
Because unless the United States steps in here in a massive way for what Zelensky wants.
Remember, he's going to buy $100 million arms.
Think of the whole fiasco this week.
I'm going to do a $100 billion deal, right?
Well, first off, a guy has no money that we have to put the money up because Europeans aren't going to kick in that kind of dough.
We put the money up to buy weapons that our stocks are down.
Our production has to be for ourselves.
So it's a guy with no money buying from a country that doesn't have the weapons right now to support a guy that has no troops and no ability.
This is why they went to the 60-year-olds.
And you're fighting a real war and attrition.
This is not some global war on terror.
This is in the trenches, World War II, as only the Russians can give it to you.
You don't believe me?
Ask the Wehrmacht.
Ask the finest fighting machine the world had ever created, the German army in 1941, 1942, 1943.
Ask them how it turned out.
They got ground to dust.
You know why?
The Russians didn't mind if 30 million people died doing it.
Okay?
That's the difference in mentality.
That's what you're up against.
So keep giving the happy talk.
And President Trump, I think Hugo Lowell's article says it all.
And you know his reporting, Ben.
You can see it's very well saying, hey, look, upon further review and seeing that nobody backed me up here, that's reality, figure, go get a meeting.
If you can get a meeting, have a bilat, right?
I've kind of put you guys in contact, I got you the numbers, go get a bilat, and let's see how that turns out.
If it's enough to make progress, because you have two things going on here.
You have process and you have substance, policy substance.
Process is to keep deal momentum, keep going, and President Trump's trying to do that.
Then you got the substance, and the Europeans just told you, oh, I think I'll take a port.
We'll stay in Odessa where the beach is, and we'll, you know, we'll hold down Odessa while the Americans go to the line of contact.
It is never going to happen.
Ben Hornwell.
ben harnwell
Steve, before I respond to what you just said, and by the way, you only said one thing that I slightly disagree with in that monologue, and that's you mentioned that the Europeans were happy to play along as long as America was in there, but the moment America's out, the Europeans are out.
I don't know if that's actually true.
I think the European support was only ever performative, and it was fig leaf performatism going back to the Biden regime, because Biden wanted to make it look as if there was a ground swell from all the proponents of the rules based international order coming in to protect Ukraine.
It was really an American project from start to finish.
American provoked and then this coalition of the willing.
But that's the only thing I would respond to what you said.
Before I go further, I really have to say that this article, if it's true what Hugo Lowell says in The Guardian, which I haven't been able to find sourced anywhere else in the media, and I haven't seen any retraction or confirmation coming out of the White House at this moment.
But if that is true, Steve, that President Trump is based.
I mean, let people, it's not going to happen.
The idea of a bilateral between Putin and Zelenskyy by themselves is not going to happen.
That's just like diplomatic speech for President Trump saying, I'm out.
If that is the actual position now...
unidentified
Hold it, hold it, hang on, hang on, hold, hold, hold, hold, hang on.
steve bannon
All the lies you heard about they're about to fall apart, about to fall apart, he's got lots of troops.
Ann Applebaum, no friend of the war room, reported they had 675,000 combat troops ready for a summer offensive.
Take it, she was right., right?
You see what's happening here?
I tell you what he's going to take a meeting for.
And they're going to say, Obama said, I'm not saying to surrender, but I'm telling you, give me the Europeans going to back these guys' play right now.
The meeting that Putin will take is a surrender meeting.
That's the meeting he'll take.
I don't know if he's got a lot to talk about.
The line of contact, which is the only important line here, give me a name, any name in Europe that's going to back up.
The Poles, who are our best and only true ally over there, wouldn't even come over for the meeting.
You know why?
They're not part of the coalition of the willing because they understand the risk.
The German press today..
said they interviewed the defense minister.
They said, oh, well, we took a battalion, we took a brigade or battalion and we put them up in Latvia.
We're tapped out.
Okay, give me a break.
This is a sick, demented, perverted joke and anybody on the TV that just sits there and all the great nations of Europe are coming together.
They're broke, they're gutless, they're cowards, they have no money, they have no material, they have no weapons, they have no men, no personnel, nothing.
They haven't stepped up for anything.
And yet this fiasco goes on and every day goes on.
I think President Trump said five thousand Ukrainians died, which I couldn't get my head around that number until I saw six hundred twenty five thousand Ukrainians have either been killed or wounded in 2025, and we ain't to September yet.
Ben, I got a bounce.
You got a minute to wrap it up.
Tomorrow you're going to be on with me.
We're going to Ben Harwell is going to make recommendations to the president about a way forward.
How about that?
So Ben Harwell in Rome, closing observations.
I know I've hogged the mic here, but I'm all worked up now.
My warpath coffee got to me, kicked in.
ben harnwell
Closing observation is this, Steve.
If this represents the position now of President Trump.
This is exclusively a tribute to the power of the war room audience and Real America's voice.
It's not because of Fox or Newsmax or any other media organization that has put consistent pressure on the president with love and respect, but pleading with him to not keep this war going.
So that's what I was saying.
steve bannon
If this is in my position, you'll give me some great is anything I said about Europe from your perch in the Eternal City, is anything I said about these Europeans wrong?
ben harnwell
No, Steve.
You've exposed the absolute hypocrisy of them.
Look, just to give me one example, I cited Italy earlier.
You mentioned the nine percent percentage of German youth that are willing to fight for Germany.
That's to fight for Germany.
Like one in ten German kids will fight for their country.
What is it going to be to go over and sleep over to Ukraine and fight for Ukraine in an unwinnable war?
Steve, it's zero.
steve bannon
It's not happening.
ben harnwell
Everything you said was not just today, not just in this show, but for three and a half years has been correct.
steve bannon
Hey, put, uh, real quickly, your social media, because you're putting great stuff up all day long.
Where did the people go?
On Geta, steve my social media platform of choice at harnwell which is my surname perfect we do have contact with the mother ship and we're gonna bring uh grayson quay in after a short commercial break Here's your host Stephen K. Banff
Through the wonders of modern technology, we are actually can hook into the mothership.
Joe Allen's there.
Joe Allen's holding down the Ford Force.
And also Grayson Quay, the writer of an extraordinary book, The Transhumanist Temptation.
He's going to be interviewed by Joe for the 6 o'clock show tomorrow night.
I want everybody, because we're going to get in back at this book and make sure everybody gets it, everybody reads it.
What is the transhumanist temptation?
We talk about transhumanism a lot.
Grayson, what's the temptation here?
grayson quay
Well, I wrote this book not necessarily for warroom viewers who are pretty keen on this issue, but for people who don't take the threat of transhumanism seriously, who think it's just this crazyzy fringe sci-fi thing that's far away.
And my argument in this book is no, the transhumanist temptation is the same temptation from the Garden of Eden.
It's ye shall be as gods, which isn't a lie per se, it's kind of a half truth.
If you believe in theosis, if you believe in the kind of promises God makes to his people to raise them up to be partakers of the divine nature and sons of God equal to the angels, there is truth in the statement, ye shall be as gods.
The lie that Satan tells there in the garden is that you can have that deification, you can have that immortality and that power apart from a relationship with God and in defiance of God.
And that is what transhumanism promises us.
steve bannon
Do you think we're hurtling down a path?
I mean, is this just science fiction?
You know, Joe covers this for us for the last four years daily, but is this science fiction or do you believe this is actually happening and it's got to be addressed today?
grayson quay
Yeah, no, I don't think it's science fiction.
And I think we leave ourselves vulnerable when we treat it as if it's something that's in the future.
It's right now.
Mary Harrington has her great book, Feminism Against Progress, where she says the birth control pill is the first transhumanist technology because it inverts what we have historically used medicine and technology as a whole for, which is we start with a standard of human fluidity.
We know what a healthy flourishing human being looks like.
This informs our conceptions of natural law.
And we use our technology to either fix humans when they're broken or sick or advance sort of basic human goods that we're able to identify by looking at our nature and lead us toward this flourishing, this Aristotelian idea of eudymonia.
The birth control pill or other technologies basically say if you're we're going to take something that's healthy and break it in accordance with the will or desires of someone and not informed by their nature.
steve bannon
Is there a possibility of having a Christian being a Christian transhumanist, sir?
unidentified
Sir.
grayson quay
Well, I don't think so.
I mean, I think, you know, if you're a Christian transhumanist, it's almost redundant in the sense if you believe that God's eventually going to glorify us and raise us to, you know, reign with Christ.
But if you're a Christian who believes that apart from God, we're going to use technology to raise ourselves to omnipotence and to immortality.
then no, that's an inherently Luciferian project.
If you call yourself a Christian transhumanist and you're really committed to transhumanism as it's being practiced generally and as the term is generally meant, I think you've fallen under the sway of the forces of Antichrist.
steve bannon
Joe, tell us about your interview tomorrow night with Grayson on this extraordinary book.
joe allen
Yeah, Steve, very much looking forward to it.
We'll be talking about his book.
We'll be talking about the perils of eugenic policies, of selecting embryos, artificial intelligence, virtual reality.
But it'll be very good to speak to a fellow traveler.
his own perspective on this.
A very deep Christian perspective and also Catholic.
So, you know, it'll be kind of like talking to you, Steve, but maybe he won't yell at me.
steve bannon
He knows what he's talking about.
I just scream and yell.
Grayson, social media, where do people go to order this book?
The interview is going to be tomorrow night, but where do people in the in-room get your social media and this book?
grayson quay
Yeah, social media.
I'm on X at Hemingway, HEM ING QUAY.
You can get the book on Amazon.
It's available as an audiobook.
Good news.
If you hate my voice, I don't read it.
There's a narrator who does that.
And the best place to get it, as always, is directly from the publisher.
That would be sofiainstitute.com slash transhuman.
steve bannon
These guys are the best crisis publishing that people are sophia uh joe where do people go to get your social media brother all your updates at joe bot xyz and jobot.xyz thank you very much steve and definitely tune in tomorrow night warroom posse the transhumanist temptation you're finally getting a i think a serious christian and catholic perspective of this is the big thing that's before us folks Guys,
Grayson, Joe, thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
We're going to do something in the DC area too.
We'll figure we got to get this book out and get the thinking out.
Chris Hoare, my man, I can't think of a better way to cap a show that's been on fire all day.
Start with Eric Schmidt.
You got Chip Roy, Peter Navarro, John Solomon, Joe Allen, Ben Harnwell.
I mean, these are fighters all.
Chris Hoare, you always come on and you do something special for the War Room posse.
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What do you got for us, brother?
chris hoar
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steve bannon
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unidentified
Absolutely.
chris hoar
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steve bannon
Okay.
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