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Episode 4722: Collusion Between Your Government And Big Tech
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with all this new data in the Times and get your reaction to this analysis that shows your party hemorrhaging voters from several different demographics.
joe morelle
Well, good morning.
Thanks for having me.
I think it's certainly something you can't ignore.
I think for some time now.
People in the party have ignored the trends.
I thought the article did a great job of identifying the problem and you have to acknowledge the problem before you can begin to address it.
I know that what I'm doing here back in Rochester is really trying to organize people, trying to get them to knock on doors and visit with community and talk to people and really engage in conversation about what voters have expectations about, what things they are concerned about.
Sometimes we become convinced that the things we care about is what everyone cares about and sometimes that's not the case, so we really have to do a much better job in a very granular way, in a literally door by door way.
And we're organizing here in Rochester.
I've literally spent every waking moment meeting with groups in the community, people of all political persuasions and stripes, to talk to them, engage with them in what they see happening.
And there are real concerns about authoritarianism, but there are equally concerns about, you know, am I going to have health care?
Am I going to be able to feed my family?
Are the price of goods too high?
And those are the things that I think we need to address.
claire mccaskill
We have to the Democrats have to go where we do have the numbers.
And keep in mind how bad this is in terms of denying people representation.
I mean, this is all about busting up black congressional districts.
Let's just put it out there.
They're trying to do it in Missouri to a congressman Cleaver, who is former mayor of Kansas City, beloved in Kansas City, has represented Kansas City ably and with a lot of popularity for years.
They're going to try to take away his seat in Missouri.
So we'd be down to, with two major metropolitan areas, we'd be down to one black congressman in the whole state of Missouri.
And that's what they're doing in Texas.
They'll be down to two black congressmen or women in the state of Texas, and one district goes 500 miles.
Now, I was a state representative.
I can assure you, you cannot represent folks and see them and talk to them if you've got to travel 500 miles to see your constituents.
It is crazy.
So it's wrong.
It's immoral.
It's not moral.
It's not democratic.
The Supreme Court is responsible.
But Democrats have to fight fire with fire.
So in every state where we can squeeze out another seat, they need to get busy and do the same thing to the Republicans that they're doing to us.
willie geist
Russia is pushing back on the idea of Western nations providing security guarantees for Ukraine after the war.
Yesterday, the Kremlin's foreign minister said Moscow must be included in any talks about security guarantees and suggested China, Russia's ally, should be among Ukraine's guarantors.
He also avoided making any direct reference to a possible summit between Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, signaling the Kremlin may be trying to delay planning a bilateral meeting.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon's top policy official reportedly told a group of European military leaders the US plans to play a minimal role in those security guarantees.
Sources tell Politico defense chiefs from the UK, France, Germany and Finland are pushing the United States to disclose what it would provide in terms of troops and air assets.
Politico also reporting NATO allies becoming increasingly concerned.
The Trump administration will rely on Europe to ensure that long term peace.
jamelle bouie
It's both a show.
It's both there to kind of produce B roll for the White House social media.
accounts.
But it also is like it's a legitimate, like I would call it an occupation of DC.
It's an assault on the rights of the residents of DC.
And it's also an expression of the authoritarian mindset and intent of the administration that they believe that they have the right to subject American citizens to this because they feel like it.
And it's a stunning attack on what I would consider the basic privileges and immunities of American citizenship, not to be subject to military occupation.
gavin newsom
This is radical rigging of a midterm election, radical rigging of an election, destroying, vandalizing this democracy, the rule of law.
So I'm sorry, I know some people's sensibilities, i respect and appreciate that but right now with all due respect we're walking down a damn different path we're fighting fire with fire and we're gonna punch these sons of bitches in the mouth this is the primal scream of a dying regime Pray for our enemies.
steve bannon
Because we're going medieval on these people.
You're not going to get a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA media.
I wish, in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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War room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
The End Thursday, 21 August 21, year over lord 2025.
We're going to get into all this today, particularly the, there's no, there shouldn't not be any celebration in Texas.
That's five seats.
The maximalist position is 10.
You see Gavin Newsom, what's going to happen.
So it's time that we're going to talk about that later in the show.
Therefore, we're going to go back and get the other five.
Also, Ukraine, numbers are coming out in the last 24, 48 hours.
Everything you've heard on TV from everybody, on Fox, on MSNBC, it's all lies.
The math is coming out now, and you understand what President Trump's been talking about, these horrible casualties.
1.7 million dead and wounded Ukrainians.
This is why they can't get to 625,000 this year alone.
And all the nations of Europe, the UK, punched out on having any real guarantees when Starmer got back.
The Germans said, no, we're not going to do it.
Starmer said, we'll guard a port or the air or something.
No troops on the ground.
Nobody at the line of contact.
Nobody.
Poland didn't even come over.
France talked big.
Nothing happening.
It's absolutely this is why President Trump, The Guardian, the great Hugo Lowell at The Guardian has reported today President Trump kind of stepping back and saying, hey, if Zelensky and Putin can pull for a meeting, good.
Let them get in a room.
I'm not going to be there bilateral.
I wouldn't count on that anytime soon.
I'll get into the math and break it all down later in the show.
I want to start off, want to welcome and thank.
I've been waiting a long time for this.
Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri joins us, and it's his new book that we want to talk about, The Last Line of Defense, How to Defeat the Left in Court.
If we can get that great title up there.
Senator, I haven't had a chance to thank you.
for your time as Attorney General of the Great State of Missouri.
And Missouri is a great state, and I'll tell you why.
It is the only state in this union that has two United States senators that are populist nationalists and putting forward the MAG agenda every day.
Your work as Attorney General is unparalleled in the effort to save this country.
And this book is a must-read.
I want to start at the end because you go after the Chinese Communist Party.
You don't take any easy ones.
You go after the Chinese Communist Party on COVID.
You've got the most important First Amendment case.
You go after Biden.
You expose everything there.
But what is so important about this is your angle of attack is how are we going to win?
And that's the problem.
We've seen this in Texas in the last couple of days where our last three or four weeks where you have to goad people to stand up and fight.
And finally, if you cut off all their other alternatives, they'll fight.
That's not your angle of attack.
Your angle of attack is to think it through and think through how we're going to win and then get on with it.
So walk me through that.
Walk me through just that, that, you know, perspective you've got of how do you actually beat these guys?
eric schmitt
Well, I think the most important thing, Stephen, and why I wrote the book is you have to have courage.
Like it's a lot easier in these jobs just to go to the ribbon cuttings and get the accolades or whatever.
That's not me.
And that's not why I ran for office.
It's not why I was Attorney General.
It's not why I'm an U.S. Senator.
about saving the country.
And I think if you understand the landscape and what I try to lay out in the last line of defense is what were we dealing with when President Trump and his allies were out of power, the left was truly on the march.
I mean, it was a no, they were take no prisoners mentality.
Like they came for, whether it's, you know, lockdowns, compulsory COVID shots, all, you know, blatantly open borders, DEI struggle sessions, CRT in our schools, a censorship regime, ESG, all of it, all of it was coming at us.
And I decided that, you know what, in that role at that time, I was going to fight back.
And we took the vaccine mandates of the Supreme Court and we won.
We took the student loan debt forgiveness case to the Supreme Court and we, to the Supreme Court and we won.
We exposed the massive censorship enterprise in Missouri versus Biden.
We took on fifty plus school districts for mass mandates and we won.
We opened up investigations against some of the biggest banks in the world because of their ESG policies and we got them to back down.
I mean, time and time again, the lesson is, if you're willing to fight, you can win and we cannot see the courts to the left.
I think for far too long, conservatives have sort of done that.
It's like, oh, that's their terrain.
It can't be.
Like, we got to fight on the legislative level.
We got to fight on the executive level.
It's one of the reasons why I handled the resisions package in the Senate.
We got that done to pull back this ridiculous funding for USAID and Guatemalan sex changes and all this non- nonsense.
I think it was important to demonstrate we're willing to fight back on that and actually when we defunded NPR along the way.
But in the court system, I think the time as AG, it was just sort of defined by this worldwide pandemic and social unrest and the most aggressively leftist regime we've seen in the history of the country.
And we had to fight back.
And now, and really honestly, kind of hold the line until the Calvary could arrive.
And the Calvary arrived and the fever broke in November of 2024 when President Donald J. Trump kind of, you know, won again and is now delivering this historic agenda that we now have.
I was really, I mean, President Trump endorsed the book.
JD Vance has got a blurb in there.
It's just really gratifying as somebody.
There's no daylight between me and where those guys are at on these policy issues.
And we got to approach all of this with a sense of urgency, Steve.
I know you talk about it every day.
steve bannon
But you give a good sense of where they're trying to thwart.
The Trump revolution and the MAGA revolution is in the courts because they understand their last line of defense is the courts and they're very aggressive.
I want to go to some specific cases while we got the time.
First off, everybody tells you and nobody, nobody, any attorney general in the, even at the federal level, nobody will go after the Chinese Communist Party.
You went after the Chinese Communist Party.
And to me, it's still sitting out there with like, hey, Schmidt won this thing.
What are we doing here?
Walk me through you going after the CCP.
eric schmitt
So in March of 2020, right?
Like when this is unfolding, is, you know, you start to look, the CCP was well aware of COVID in November and December of 2019.
There's a whistleblower, Dr. Lee, that came forward.
He mysteriously died after he recanted what he saw about what was happening in the hospitals there in Wuhan.
And so they knew it was real.
They knew it was a deadly virus.
They didn't want to do anything about it.
They wanted to cover it up.
And how did they cover it up?
Well, they ended flights in and out of Wuhan domestically, but not internationally.
China also became the net, the largest net exporter of PPE to the largest net importer of PPE in those months.
So they knew it was going down, they didn't tell anybody.
And of course, the World Health Organization, which is just a puppet for the CCP, they helped hide all this too.
So what does President Trump do?
He says, look, this is this crazy thing happening in Wuhan.
We're going to shut down flights in and out of China.
He's characterized as the xenophobe in chief, right?
All this, the left did something.
You started to see the Trump derangement syndrome kind of plays out on that stage too.
So we saw enough.
And actually my Solicitor General at the time, John Sauer, who's now the Solicitor General of the United States, just a brilliant guy who's winning a lot of these lawsuits now for the Trump administration and was his lawyer in the presidential immunity case too, by the way.
But we said, you know what, there must be something here.
We're reading this in the newspapers.
There must be a lot more there.
So we decided to sue Communist China, the CCP, the Wuhan Institute for Virology for unleashing COVID on the world.
And it was, look, we got a lot of criticism for it.
Ultimately, now there's a, Steve, there's a 24 billion dollar judgment out there now that Andrew Bailey's now moving on to the FBI, but hopefully the new Attorney General, you can seize assets, Chinese assets now with that judgment.
And I hope that we're aggressive in doing that.
But I think it was about, look, we're going to, I don't care.
I mean, obviously, you know, no harm has come to me yet, but the CCP didn't like that.
But who cares?
Like, I'm an American and I'm going to fight for, you know what I mean?
Like, this is my country.
And this is what you did.
And you ought to be held accountable for it.
steve bannon
It's unbelievable.
And it hasn't gotten the publicity.
We got to collect on that.
Can you, Senator, I know you're busy.
I just want to hold shortly through the break.
There's a couple more examples.
And then we've got to pick your brain.
Our audience remembers a couple of years ago, it was on a Sunday, I think it was, and we were streaming this entire, oh, the weekend streaming on all our different platforms, that historic debate that Mitch McConnell was trying to jam through, that huge, another bailout for Ukraine.
And I think it was Rand Paul Mike Lee and Senator Eric Schmidt, and you gave a historic speech that I think at the time, I remember talking to people, we had 100,000 people on a Sunday.
and all our different platforms watching.
So we'll talk about that.
Short commercial break.
The book is The Last Line of Defense.
It is a primer on how to win in a mentality of how to win.
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Okay, if you're up on Get her for free, you would have seen all my reality checks I got up there about Ukraine.
I'll get to that in a minute.
Ben Harnwell from Rome is also going to join us and break this whole thing down.
Senator Schmidt's with us.
And folks, I always talk about angle of attack and attitude and courage.
This book has got it.
It's a primer on that.
Last Line of Defense.
And it comes from the darkest days, from the pandemic all the way through when we were out of power.
And it's extraordinary.
And I strongly recommend it where I get this book.
And I've wanted to have the senator on.
We've had him on many times.
I've never been able to thank him for what he did as Attorney General of the great state of Missouri.
And thank God, think of that team, Schmidt, and you got John Sauer, who's tearing it up right now.
And now you got Andrew Bailey as Deputy over to FBI.
Thank God for the great state of Missouri.
I'm serious.
Thank God for you people.
No, it's such a great state.
I want to go, because I know you got limited time.
Talk about the Biden, because you're also the guy that went and exposed the reality of how in the darkest moment of how we were being suppressed by the federal government in conjunction with the big tech broligarchs, sir.
eric schmitt
Yeah, so, you know, we've, we, everybody saw in 2021 and 2022, this was called a conspiracy theory that that that conservatives were being, you know, throttled or deplatformed.
And we had seen enough at Jen Psaki's at the podium talking about flagging things for Facebook.
They floated this ridiculous idea of a disinformation governance board.
Remember with that, uh, the Mary Poppins like figure who was going to be the head of it.
And so we said, you know what, there is something here.
Like there's there's something here.
So we filed a lawsuit in May of 2022, Missouri v.
Biden, and we named not the big tech companies, we named the govern government agencies.
We named Biden.
We named the FBI.
We named all these agencies we thought were part of it.
And we did something kind of strategic.
We talk about it in the book, Steve.
We didn't seek the injunction, which is to get the government to stop the bad behavior right away.
We sought discovery first.
And that ended up being a key decision.
So what did that mean?
We got thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of emails, text messages.
We found out there were secret portals between high ranking government officials and high ranking executives at Twitter and Facebook coordinating their efforts, the collusion that was happening, the coercion that was happening.
We took the deposition of Anthony Fauci, and you can read about that in the book, which was wildild.
We took the deposition, interestingly, of Elvis Chan, Who was the FBI agent in Northern California who was prebunking the Hunter Biden laptop story?
It turns out he was having weekly meetings, monthly meetings, then weekly meetings telling them to look out for a Russian hack and leak operation in October.
And Yohle Roth, who's like this integrity guy at Twitter, who's left-winging, even had an affidavit saying, yeah, he was talking specifically about Hunter Biden.
So the rot that existed, CISA, which is an agency most people have never really heard of, we took the deposition of Brian Scully who was talking about, yeah, they turned that against the American people to flag.
They were outsourcing to Stanford, to the University of Washington.
So the punchline here is we uncovered this leviathan of agents.
of agencies that were set against the American people to censor their speech.
The First Amendment doesn't allow the government to do it, and you shouldn't be able to outsource that either to these big tech behemoths, which is exactly what they were doing.
And I think it's the most important free speech case in the history of our country.
We talk about it in the book, and we can't let this stuff ever happen again.
And what I think the lesson here is the playbook is if you got the guts and you fight back and you got a hunch, we ought to use the court system to expose this corruption, and that's what we were able to do.
steve bannon
What I love about you is you do not punch down.
You go after the biggest and the toughest and the ones that look impossible and say, let's just get on with this thing and do it.
That's the attitude we have to have.
Before I let you go, Senator, Ukraine, I mean, there's been, now it's all becoming clear with the new revelation of what the casualty rates are.
And our allies are not allies.
It's all talk.
Not one of them are going to put anybody in the line of contact.
They want the Americans to put up the security guarantees.
You were on this a couple of years ago.
Here's my concern.
There's now $58 billion.
Lindsey Graham and Cotton, these guys have a $58 billion, the McConnell wing in the Senate, which is, I don't know, 90% of it, have a $58 billion, another Ukraine bailout going in.
now when it's obviously the Europeans are broke.
The Ukrainians don't have any more men to fight.
I mean, this thing is a debacle.
I'm not sure the correct information is getting out there.
What can you tell us about the current situation in the United States Senate when you guys get back after Labor Day on Ukraine, sir?
eric schmitt
Well, look, I think we're at least my perspective here is, and I think actually from the people who have a different foreign policy view than me even are giving President Trump, he needs, he's the one who needs to take the lead here, and he is.
I mean, he's doing something because I'm an American realist.
I think we got to focus on our core national interests and pivot to China, right?
Our European allies need to step up in a much more meaningful way.
That's why I went to the Munich Security Conference.
I was one of like three people standing and clapping for JD's, our Vice President Vance's First Amendment remarks there.
But to tell those, the Europeans, not what they want to hear, but the truth, which is, we are, you have to step up for your own defense.
And you look at what President Trump's doing, Steve is, he's really questioning all these assumptions.
Like after World War II, defeat Soviet communism, we had, you know, NATO was created.
We subsidized it overwhelmingly.
It's a very unbalanced.
All these ridiculous trade deals were meant to get them on their feet.
After the Cold War ended, we never adjusted.
So what President Trump is doing, he's realigning.
that relationship and he's renegotiating these trade deals.
And it's about time.
I can't believe it's taken so long to go do it.
But yes, this isn't our war.
This is a war between Russia and Ukraine.
And what President Trump is doing is he's creating space for them to work it out.
There's no appetite, I don't think, I hope for any additional billions of dollars for Ukraine.
Like I just, like in Missouri, one thing that no one has ever come up to me and said, you know what, Eric, the most important thing you can do is send another sixty billion dollars to Ukraine.
Not one person has ever said that to me.
Now, it's a meat grinder.
It's a war of attrition at this point.
steve bannon
And Russia is historically that's kind of what they do so this is the place and you're a better step up on these security guarantees because i think president trump's already made clear thankfully that there won't be any u.s troops on the ground uh senator smith where do people get the book what's your social media feed uh are you going to be doing uh you're going to go around and do a book launch talk talk to us about what's going to happen here because people have got to get this book and got it if you're if you're feeling the dumps get this book and
eric schmitt
read it this is the fighting spirit of the mega movement yeah the last line of defense how to be the left in court and get it on amazon right now um anywhere books are sold but i i think honestly, this book was written for your audience, Steve, people who see all these things happening and they need to know kind of the backstage look of what it was like to be on the front lines there and what it's going to take to win the future.
So I'm on Eric underscore Schmidt.
That's my social media feed and Facebook and Instagram, but we try to keep it light, a little spicy, but this is about saving the country.
That's why I wrote the book and there's a lot of lessons here and it's a playbook for the future.
steve bannon
By the way, you were on the front line in the darkest days of this republic.
Senator Schmidt, honor to have you on here, sir.
Thank you.
eric schmitt
Thanks, Steve.
Take care.
steve bannon
Senator Schmidt came from the book is about.
his time as AG, the Attorney General of the great state of Missouri.
Now we have a congressman, a friend of the show, that's about to punch out of Congress and run for Attorney General.
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steve bannon
Chip, we got a minute on this side.
We're holding you through the break.
Give me your pitch.
That's a fantastic spot.
Why do you want to leave Congress now in the middle of these fights?
Your boy Russ Vote, we need you, we need you, Chip.
You're leaving us to run for AG.
Why?
chip roy
Yeah, Steve, look, it is bittersweet.
Russ Vote is a dear friend.
I'm working with you and the great folks of War Room in order to advance the ball into DC.
But look, this is going to be the end of my fourth term when I get through the next sixteen months.
I'm not going anywhere.
We're going to keep up the fight.
We're going to deliver for the president.
We're going to deliver a majority next year by holding the line and fighting on all the issues you and I talked about.
But at some point here, you got to have some churn in Washington.
You and I believe that.
We don't think we have lifelong politicians.
The good Lord opens doors for you.
And I have worked in the AG's office.
I'm a former federal prosecutor, and I believe it's time to come home.
And my experience during the Kerrville floods, being with law enforcement, being with all the great leadership here in our communities, my kids are 14 and 15.
Texas is central to the future of America.
As Texas goes, so will freedom and so will America.
And I'm coming home to fight for Texas, and I will stay tight with my friends in DC and my Freedom Caucus brothers and sisters.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
We'll take a short commercial break.
Chip Roy is announcing he's going to run be the attorney general of the Lone Star State.
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steve bannon
Okay, so Congressman, you're going to be with us for all these fights because September is going to be an absolute debacle as they go up to midnight on the 30th.
However, we need, and, and, you know, when Paxton, it was the 20th of January 2021 in the afternoon.
We had Ken Paxton on here.
And Ken Paxton said, hey, wherever the Biden administration is by the Constitution, we'll work with them.
Wherever they're against the Constitution, the state of Texas will take the lead.
And Ken Paxton did, I think, a fantastic job of doing that.
But the reality check we've had, like, let's talk about the redistricting.
You've got Gavin Newsom now running for president on his thing over there where they got 40%, oh, the 42% I think of the state is Republican or votes Republican.
It's a 52-seat delegation.
We only have nine seats now.
They're going to take five more back.
It's going to be 48 to four.
That's the way they play.
They play smashmouth.
We should have a Texas 10 here.
We got five.
And everybody else on Fox, they're skipping around how great it was.
But the audience here knows that this was done at the tip of the bayonet of the activists.
Trump just won Texas by 14 points.
If you're going to run for Attorney General is is source really your biggest enemy or the locked in business interest of the Republican party there that's really basically centrist Democrats, sir.
chip roy
Yes, Steve, first of all, great.
By the way, following Eric Schmidt, I just want to point out how important it is to have a good AG like Eric who took on all the mask issues, took on all the issues involving, you know, Obamacare.
Ken Paxton has done the same thing.
Ken Paxton has fought, you know, porn industries, fought big corporations.
He's fought to defend Texas against the long reach of Obamacare, fought to secure the border.
We need fighters like that.
And look, to your point, I would just say this.
My message in Austin has been, we need to be as aggressive as the White House is willing to push for.
And the White House pushed for five.
And so right now, my view is, well, then move the five through, but if we can go more, go more.
And so that's what I've been saying to my friends in the state legislature, go as far as you can go.
I think we could be a little more aggressive in Texas, there's no doubt.
But right now, they're moving the maps.
That's what the White House asked for.
And you need an AG who's going to defend the maps straight up.
And I've worked those cases.
I was in Washington when we were fighting the Voting Rights Act reauthorization as a lawyer.
We worked hard to set the table.
It was our research in the judiciary committee that helped form the basis of Section 5 getting struck down because of the hard work we did.
I've been doing it for a lifetime.
We fought that stuff when I was in the AG's office before and in Congress.
We've been working hard to make sure we do the right thing and we can stop the race based gerrymandering that's been destroying our ability to have real representation.
It's like Texas, like look at all these blue states up in the northeast who have nothing but Democrat representatives because they've been gerrymandering, as you said, smash mouth.
We need to fight them and we need to be aggressive.
I couldn't agree with you more.
We got to get past the sort of corporate run town in Austin.
Look at the budget.
It was not good.
We've got criminals on our streets.
We have cartels that have too much influence.
And we have too many people making decisions here who aren't fighting to get the right thing done.
But look, Ken has been fighting hard against that.
I want to carry that forward and we'll do that.
steve bannon
Yeah, I think what people are shocked is that, you know, Texas is, I say this, and we love Ohio and Florida and these other places are fantastic.
But the railhead of MAGA, is in that hard-bitten Texan.
That's the railhead of this movement.
And to know that state, in Austin, the state is not that conservative the way it's run.
It's just not.
I mean, it's actually on property, everything.
It's shocking what's happened here.
So hopefully you can clean the thing up.
Tell me about your campaign.
Where are you going to, you're starting today, but where are you going to go?
What's this?
Knowing you, as long as I've known you from the time, I think you were Ted Cruz's chief of staff.
chip roy
You're a grassroots guy, so we're what tell me about your campaign Yeah, tomorrow I'll be out with the Tea Party talking about the SAVE Act that I introduced in Congress to ensure that only American citizens vote in American elections.
We passed that out of the House.
The Schumer Democrats blocked it.
We're going to be out there talking about our need to go even further, working with our mutual and good friend, Cleta Mitchell.
to draft another round of legislation.
I'm not going anywhere in the House for 16 months.
I'm going to be fighting alongside you guys, Russ Vote and everybody else, and we're going to deliver for the president, make sure we build the majority.
I'm going to be on the road meeting with some good activists and Tyler this Saturday, all over the state that I've been working with for two decades while we've been trying to move forward to build this conservative movement.
I've been a part of it from the beginning, Steve, as you know, meeting in the basement of Tortilla Coast with the founding members of the Freedom Caucus before the Freedom Caucus even existed, when I was Ted Cruz's chief of staff before it was cool to be where we are today.
And I've been fighting that and will continue to do that.
And I'm going to be all over the state.
Obviously, I've got a day job.
I'll be up in Congress the week after Labor Day, but we've got to deliver up there.
And we need to hold spending flat or reduced when we have the big spending fight in September.
And I'm not going to shy away from that.
I'm going to be an honest broker with that as I was in trying to get the big, beautiful bill delivered.
It could have been better, but I think we delivered some real good spending restraint and, frankly, $400 or $500 billion of elimination of those ridiculous green new scam subsidies.
But we've got to go further, Steve.
You and I talked about it in Congress.
And then as AG, we've got to be aggressive in fighting.
Look, Western civilization is under assault.
We cannot have Sharia law in Texas.
We cannot have open borders no matter who's in the White House.
We got to fight the invasion.
We got to go file litigation to fight that.
We got to stand up against property taxes and the confiscation of people's wealth.
We can do a lot here if we're aggressive.
steve bannon
Chip, where do people go to find out your fight that we're going to have in September on the budget and on the appropriations?
And where do they go to your campaign site for the for AG?
chip roy
Well, absolutely it's chiproy dot com.
You can follow me on Twitter at chiproy TX.
That's chiproy TX or I should say on X. I always do that.
And we'll be out there.
We're going to be putting the message out.
Deeply appreciative of all you've done in your service for this country, Steve.
I can't say enough what your stand and going to prison and standing up in defense of our values, what that means, and deeply appreciative of the entire posse.
steve bannon
No, I got the easiest job in the world.
I got a platform.
We provide access to guys like you, and we got the greatest audience in the world of activists.
Thank you, Chip.
Appreciate you.
Keep that Twitter feed hot.
See you back.
See you back in DC.
Chip Roy running for the Attorney General, the great state of Texas, replaced Ken Paxton.
Ken's running for the United States Senate.
Some polling data out overnight.
I think Ken's lead is a little tightening.
That's going to be a big one down there in Texas.
And of course, Eric Schmidt went from the AG a historic run as AG of Missouri and now in the United States Senate.
Talking about prison, by the way, three fighters got Eric Schmidt, Chiproy, and I got my brother, Dr. Peter Navarro.
Before I talk about your prison time, Dr. Navarro, did we did you guys finally make a deal with the EU?
Am I correct?
At Bloomberg, my terminal's blowing up, a massive deal that you worked on on the EU.
Do we finally have a deal with them?
peter navarro
Not only do we have a deal with the EU, Steve, it should put to rest any criticism whatsoever anywhere in the universe of Donald Trump and his tariff policies, because this works for both Europe and the US, but it works for Europe because it levels the playing field and it puts an end to this.
I mean, let's think about what this EU deal looks like.
First of all, we get to keep the global reciprocal tariff on at 15% which is designed to reduce our trade deficit, but we get to keep 15% tariffs on the EU autos.
It used to be 2.5% and they were selling Germany was selling us seven cars, every one we sold them.
We're getting full access to their agricultural market, which they kept away, so our farmers are going to be really happy.
They're going to spend 750 billion dollars on LNG imports, so that will help our drill baby drill segment of our economy.
spend another 600 billion investing here in strategic sectors and they're going to buy a lot more of our defense weapons which will help the heartland throughout this country.
So this is called running the table in pool.
It's just amazing deal.
So I think we're happy about that.
And the American people should be elated.
steve bannon
Let me I want to talk about attitude and courage angle of attack.
Let me talk with Schmidt.
When I came on the campaign in August of 16, you already said there.
You were the principal advisor for trade manufacturing.
Remember when I got there, I think we did shift it a little more so that you had a bigger role.
This is why we won.
The principal reason I think we won the behind the blue wall of Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania, which people were laughing at us in mid-August, we couldn't do, is because the policies that you were working on, getting advice outside with guys like Lou Dobbs, but really focused on manufacturing and trade.
But even given the first term, which was so historic and what you and Lighthizer tried to accomplish on the big overall deal with the Chinese that the Chinese blew up in May of 19, there is a total difference in the second term.
I mean, President Trump has really thought through with your assistance the total reorganization of world commerce using tariffs, but tariffs also as an aspect of potential economic warfare and using it in a positive sense to redo the entire world's commercial system to put America at the center of it.
What has brought about that change in the out years?
What was it you and President Trump worked on that?
Because when we got in the second time, everybody mocked you.
Everybody mocked President Trump.
It was all going to be a disaster.
The economy was going to implode.
But they're not laughing now.
So tell me what, what is the difference this term than last?
peter navarro
Well, inside the perimeter here, the difference is we don't have to fight a lot of people who are trying to tear down the Trump agenda.
In the first term, it was war, Steve.
You were there.
You know what it was like.
We had just a lot of bogies in the house.
I remember one day I was in the Roosevelt room with the boss.
He had every single cabinet member.
as well as top advisers like Gary Cohn in there.
And he was wondering why the tariff policy wasn't going anywhere.
And he went around the room and asked him if they supported tariffs.
The only person in that room who supported tariffs with the boss was me.
And that was an epiphany for him.
He got moving faster on that because he realized there was trouble in the house.
We don't have that kind of crap this time.
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Punctual.
peter navarro
We got Jameson Greer, who is a very seasoned trade negotiator.
He knows how to like do this.
And we're doing every country by a set of verticals, tariffs, non tariff barriers and a whole bunch of other stuff.
You got Scott Besson over at Treasury, whom you and I know well and consider a friend, who sees the chessboard like a chessmaster, not quite like the boss, but Scott's right there.
Howard Lucknick has been a breath of fresh air.
He's brought a kind of the creativity of Wall Street with the MAGA edge on.
He's fully committed now to trade policy.
And Donald Trump above all is the leader of this band and he's he's got no fear this time around.
And we have the advantage here, Steve.
I think the one thing that really helps this time around is that all the panicans out there, from the Wall Street Journal on down, who claim that the tariffs are going to cause inflation, recession, and chaos, they said the same thing first term and it didn't happen.
So we got the credibility of the street cred, and we got over $100 billion already in the bank.
And Steve, The tariffs, a guy like Steven Moore drives me nuts.
I just want to say this to Steven.
I said it in a tweet the other day.
It's like every time he says.., whenever Stephen Moore says that tariffs are a tax cut on consumers he hurts the Trump trade policy and it's just false what tariffs are right now are tax cuts and debt reduction Steve we're gonna yeah get over two trillion no I think it's two trillion dollars we're gonna raise in the next ten years yeah hang on we're gonna take a short break I think Moore says they're tax increase
steve bannon
but we're gonna take a short break return with Peter Navarro in his prison tails next.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
steve bannon
By the way, so it's Steve Moore, who's a friend of all ours, but he keeps arguing that.
And this is the mentality of the Republican Party that tariffs are like a tax increase on consumers.
It's just not true.
Dr. Peter Navarro and Donald Trump are proving that every day.
It's been extraordinary.
I had tip on the EU deal.
People said it could never be done.
You done did it.
So extraordinary work there, Dr. Navarro.
Now, I want to pivot for a second because you're not only you and Miller are the two longest serving advisors to President Trump.
And you guys have been in the trenches in some of the darkest days.
And both of you guys are...
Yeah.
Well, Scavino, I can say, because Scavino is different.
He's like an operator.
I mean, what he does with that video footage and what he's made, he's become a master filmmaker.
You guys have been in the trenches on the policy side in some pretty dark days.
And guess what?
On immigration, on sealing the border, on deportations, on everything you've done on trade and all the time.
And we got many, many tough fights ahead, particularly with the Chinese Communist Party.
But you're also a cultural icon now because you stepped up, would not flinch, would not bend to Nancy Pelosi.
And now we're finding out the criminality of the J six.
You went to prison, particularly at the advanced age.
I'm saying it here for the first time.
time.
I've never said this.
I've always said Peter Navarre is my younger brother.
He's only younger in his biological clock because he's a maniac about working out.
He's actually my older brother as far as age goes.
Talk to us about the book and particularly the title of the book.
And I'm very honored that it's a war room book and we're going to have a huge rollout for this.
But the title is gripping.
You went to prison.
You, Dr. Navarre, went to prison so the audience doesn't have to.
What did you mean by that?
Why did you title the book that?
You think we still live in this darker times that potential prison after President Trump leaves in later years?, I could still be an issue for the MAGA movement, sir?
peter navarro
There's no question, Steve.
If this goes to the Democrats in 2028 or the Democrats get the House, the subpoenas start flying, everybody is at risk.
I went to prison so you won't have to.
That's the title of the book.
The subtitle is kind of interesting, A Love and Law Fair Story in Trump Land.
The title is a tagline from the speech I gave at the Republican National Convention the night before Donald Trump was nominated.
What was interesting about the speech that night is literally But what I meant by that, I went to prison so you won't have to, means that I'm your wake up call.
If they can come for me, they can come for you.
And look, everyone in the war room knows they're coming for us.
They're coming for us, right?
It's just a question of whether they have the power.
And one of the things I do in I went to prison so you won't have to is identify this guy, Walter Giordina.
Very important player.yer here for America.
He's the guy that put me in leg irons and handcuffs, took me down with four other armed agents at Reagan National Airport when they could just as easily have called me on the phone and said, Hey, Navarro, go down and report.
They didn't do that.
It was a total circus arrest, like Mar-a-Lago raid was a circus event, like what they did to some others in Trumpland.
But what's interesting, and there's an article that popped yesterday that I wrote at Breitbart.
And the reason why it's important is because this guy, Giardina, is the thread across the weave of the tapestry of the weaponization of the government and the deep state and the rhinos against Donald John Trump since he was a candidate in 2016.
And you see this guy, FBI agent Walter Giodano, former because Cash Patel fired that SOB, good for him.
But you go across the arc in the tapestry of this, Steve, and it starts with the Steel dossier in 2016.
This was the fake Clinton research that set the whole Russia hoax going.
And guess what?
Giardina was one of the FBI agents that vetted it and cleared it and said it wasn't fake.
So start there.
That game begat Crossfire, Hurricane and the Russia hoax.
Now, at the same time, Steve, I don't know if you notice, there was an Egyptian hoax going on.
They called Crimson River Red Musauri.
It was an operation run with the help of Giardina.
All this is alleged was a ten million dollar contribution to Trump's campaign.
I mean, it was totally false, but it allowed Giardina and the FBI and DOJ to go after him.
And then Giardina goes over to the Mueller investigation, serves there, mysteriously, everything disappears from his laptop, got wipe clean, shades of Hillary Clinton.
That's a felony if he did it on purpose, by the way.
And then there's another thing, Steve, the emoluments clause., I don't know if you remember that where they tried to get Trump for taking money from foreign governments or people paying stuff at the Trump Hotel.
It's totally bogus.
It was just a fishing expedition.
He was there.
And then, Steve, the worst one in many ways was Arctic Frost, because that's the one that came, the J six, the electors' issue, the whole controversy over the election.
And that one not only went after Trump and Pence, but it did ensnare and caused misery and millions of dollars in costs to a lot of people we know and love.
John Eastman and Jeff Clark at the top of the list.
There were others, Rudy as well, Jenna Ellis and so on.
Buried the League, by the way, because the Crossfire Hurricane one was that got Mike Flynn out of government.
So it's all laid out in the Breitbart thing.
But the point, I think, is that if you understand the arc of that history, you understand the interconnections in this conspiracy that spanned all the way from Obama and Clinton all the way to the day Donald Trump won this latest election.
And this guy, he needs to be more than fired.
He needs to be hauled up by Jim Jordan.
unidentified
I'm sure Grasser is going to haul him up.
steve bannon
Hang on for a second.
I'm going to hold you through the break.
Dr. Peter Navarro is with us on his new book.
He went to prison.
I went to prison so you don't have to.
It's extraordinary for an extraordinary individual a fighter been with president trump from the beginning just extraordinary and no uh giordano uh he's got to be charged with felonies he's got to go to prison he should know that we're working overtime to make sure you do dude and all your other colleagues dr peter navarro uh we're also going to talk about uh what's happening at jackson hole get some ideas from dr navarro Right now,
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