Aug. 7, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on this people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| Mega media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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| Thursday, 7 August, Year of Alert 2025. | ||
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| Ben Harnwell from Rome, our Rome Bureau, head of international for something we have now talked about daily on this show since 22, March, February, March, 2022, and long before that, right? | ||
| You know, when the show first started, the show first started in, I think, late September, early October, either the 29th, 30th, or 1st of October around there of 2019 about Wait For It, the impeachment, based upon what? | ||
| A perfect phone call to Zelensky. | ||
| Think about this for a second. | ||
| How long have we struggled with this issue? | ||
| If you remember me from the days of Breitbart and Breitbart News Daily, the morning show that I hosted, I had one in the evening, 7 to 10 in the evening on Sirius XM, first off on KBC Out West and then on Sirius, then Saturday mornings, 10 to 1, and then we went daily. | ||
| So we were seven days a week. | ||
| People remember we talked about Russia a lot then and a potential Russian rapprochement as Obama and these guys were trying to demonize it and demonize it and demonize it. | ||
| Ben, you've got some pretty important news coming out of the White House, Russia, Ukraine, all of it. | ||
| Why don't you walk us through it? | ||
| Steve, before I get there, I'm going to tell you it's going to take all the willpower in the world I possess not to allow myself to be distracted by your opening introduction there talking about the perfect phone call and the impeachment and the whole year of legislative agenda that was stolen by the corrupt Democrats from the president in the first term. | ||
| I'm not going to let myself get distracted by that because we have breaking news today. | ||
| However, however, that said, right, because we're talking about this every day, President Trump is in a prime position here, not just to end this war and bring it to a peaceful conclusion, but he's in a prime position now to insist that the papers relating to the sacking of the chief prosecutor, | ||
| Shokin, I think, Victor Shokin, right, that then Vice President Biden boasted about publicly, famously with the words, well, son of a bitch, when he gave the guy, gave the government the orders to fire him. | ||
| And he was fired. | ||
| And then the money from the U.S. that Biden was holding up came through. | ||
| No congressional inquiry into that, by the way. | ||
| Let's have those papers, let's get that smoking gun and find out the details behind Burisma's paying of that money into the joint bank account between Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. | ||
| President Trump is in a perfect position now to, you know, Zelensky didn't want to help the first time around in that perfect phone call. | ||
| President Trump is in a perfect position now to legitimise and to restore, I think, the integrity of the first administration, which was so badly damaged by the Democrats. | ||
| And whilst we are at it, Steve, and you can see the willpower that I'm displaying, not allowing myself to get dragged into this subject today. | ||
| Whilst we're on the subject, let's have those details about the biolabs. | ||
| President Trump is in a position to insist that President Zelensky releases these things. | ||
| Mago would be very satisfied, very happy, finally to get these things out. | ||
| Okay, so you've seen my willpower, how I haven't been allowed, I've disciplined myself not to get distracted by those two issues. | ||
| Breaking news today, Steve. | ||
| This is coming out, it's changing hour by hour, but there appears to be the consensus. | ||
| All sides have agreed to a summit in the coming days between President Trump and President Putin. | ||
| This will obviously be the first time the two leaders have met since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. | ||
| And I think it builds on the incredible work that US Envoy Steve Witkoff has been doing. | ||
| He finished his third summit yesterday directly in talks with President Putin and Sergei Lavrov. | ||
| And on the back of those final discussions yesterday, it appears that the terrain now finally is there to have these two leaders to sit down. | ||
| Zelensky obviously wanted to muscle into this. | ||
| The Kremlin said no, so it's just going to be a bilateral at the moment. | ||
| And then we'll see. | ||
| I have to say that the actual facts on the ground behind this seem to be scarce and slightly contradictory. | ||
| First, it was put out that the Kremlin had Putin had asked for this, and then the Kremlin said, you know, that Russia has acceded to this request, has granted this request for a meeting. | ||
| It is important to find out who actually pushed for the meeting to get some of the background here. | ||
| Steve, the reason I'm saying, even though the facts on the ground at the moment and they're sort of changing and being refined hour by hour are important, I have to say there is something going on here that I think this is serious in a way that I never truly bought into the earlier peace round talks that we've seen over the last three and a half years. | ||
| Because the ingredients didn't, the ingredients didn't seem to be there. | ||
| I think they are there now and something will happen. | ||
| I don't want to get ahead of myself, obviously. | ||
| We're going to see how this maps out, but I think the needle can move this time around as these two sit together. | ||
| If you give me 30 seconds, Steve, there is some background going on in Ukraine, I think, that will perhaps be part of the context behind these meetings. | ||
| The first is that a poll from Gallup, one of the most respected pollsters in the world, pushed out these results and Semaphore carried this analysis this morning. | ||
| That seven out of ten Ukrainians now want a negotiated deal with Russia. | ||
| And obviously the reason is because they're fed up with being fed into the meat grinder. | ||
| And the only thing to show for that is territorial losses. | ||
| There are also soundings coming out, Steve, that say really the Ukrainian front line could probably crumple in around three months or so's time. | ||
| So those things there are in the background of these forthcoming talks with regards to the viability of the Ukrainian position in the long term. | ||
| I will simply close with this and hand back to you on the fact that the Kiev Independent was reporting a couple of days ago that protests in Ukraine not to do with the anti-corruption legislation this time, but anti-protests against the centres, the drafting centers where people are being pressed gang. | ||
| Thank you very much, Denver, for putting that up on the screen. | ||
| People are so frustrated with their young guys being press-ganged off the streets. | ||
| They now had protests which sort of raided and entered these military drafting centers. | ||
| The Western press hasn't particularly carried that, but it does show the degree to which the war fatigue has set in now in Ukraine. | ||
| Well, you see this. | ||
| I mean, they just allowed, like you said, the 60-year-olds. | ||
| I mean, they have a massive manpower crisis, and people, I think this is one of the issues on the Western Front in World War II. | ||
| The guys that fought, particularly the British Army, fought all the way from North Africa to Sicily, to Italy, then Normandy. | ||
| When they saw the end of the thing in sight, when you can see the door, you kind of sit there and go, hey, you know, is my ticket going to get punched now, or can I avoid this? | ||
| It's just human nature. | ||
| That was an issue in World War II, right? | ||
| The people that had fought for so long and were so really worn out is thinking, you know, what do I have to do to get out of this thing, right? | ||
| This thing is just a grinder. | ||
| And I think you're seeing Ukraine said that the casualties are horrific here. | ||
| The Russian casualties are almost unbelievable. | ||
| But the Ukrainian civilian, in particular, the fact that parents from the beginning, and now they're really adamant about it, why are my sons and daughters going to get into this meat grinder with the Russians as they continue to grind when there can be some, there looks like there may be a ceasefire, there looks like maybe some peace deal, and particularly when they're so desperate they're allowing 60-year-olds, I don't think they're being drafted, but to volunteer. | ||
| So how real, because they've got a battlefield advantage, how real do they think that Putin's coming, if he's coming to the White House, they're coming to make a deal. | ||
| You don't come to the White House not to make a deal. | ||
| That's not what Trump, President Trump wants. | ||
| So how real do you think it has been that we would actually see either a ceasefire or some framework for peace in this area? | ||
| Well, my aids pick up when you suggest that this meeting will be held at the White House. | ||
| I haven't seen any press confirmations of the venue yet. | ||
| That has yet still to be announced. | ||
| The one country that I have seen referred to is the UAE, the United Arab Emirates, as potentially hosting these discussions. | ||
| Obviously, if it's hosted in the White House, that sets us, you know, the implication will be that President Trump will be there primed to push out the Vico Street message. | ||
| As soon as you guys have achieved that, look, I don't know if you're going to have Trump go to, I don't know if you have Trump go to the UAE, but even if it's some third-party location, President Trump's not prepared to come and have it, particularly at the level with him and Putin, where they don't think that there's something they can't hammer out here, correct? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, both of them aren't going to want to be invested in the hype of this imminent meeting if there's any possibility that it's going to end in diplomatic failure. | ||
| Neither of them, neither President Trump nor President Putin will want that, which is why I think Steve Witkoff has done such an important role here over these sort of meetings that he's been having for meetings, as I was saying, directly with Putin and Sergei Lavov, the foreign minister. | ||
| And I don't think Witkoff is going to allow the president to enter that meeting either. | ||
| President Trump, that is, he's going to allow this meeting between the two heads of state to take place if it could rebound in any way badly on President Trump. | ||
| So if the meeting takes place, I think it's because all sides expect it to produce something positive. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So let's President Trump drive me. | ||
| We're going to have the situation in Armenia in the second half of the show. | ||
| So hang on for a second. | ||
| Let's bring in Tom Dance. | ||
| Tom, you're back from the Arctic conference. | ||
| I wanted to get you on today to kind of talk about this meeting with Putin and President Trump. | ||
| The new great game is shifting from places like Ukraine to the Arctic. | ||
| And this is part of our hemispheric defense. | ||
| Give us Some updates coming out of the conference, particularly, this is a great power struggle. | ||
| This is Russia. | ||
| This is the Chinese Communist Party, and this is the United States of America. | ||
| Coming out of that conference, do you feel more confident that people in the United States are understanding the importance of the Arctic as far as the defense of the United States of America, sir? | ||
| I do certainly at the top level of MAGA from President Trump on down. | ||
| The key thing now is going to be to get the people who can actually implement these plans, putting them into place. | ||
| One thing I think Steve Wickoff's done an exceptional job, as Ben was just talking about, with Russia, but we need to kind of realize that the U.S. and Russia are neighbors, right? | ||
| We never really think about that way, but we have a 1500-mile maritime boundary, right? | ||
| That's the second longest in the world between, except for Canada and Greenland. | ||
| And I'm not counting Greenland as part of the U.S. for these purposes. | ||
| But at one point, we're separated by two and a half miles between Big Diamete and Little Diomede Islands, right? | ||
| So what we need to do is focus more on our Arctic. | ||
| I think that's a key part of this conversation that's going to occur. | ||
| And we, and, you know, like we talked about in Alaska, the posse is ahead of the news here, right? | ||
| The other big pacing threat that we have is China, China and the Pacific, right? | ||
| We talked about the Aleutians and their relevance as kind of a key first island chain, if you will, for the U.S. and the gateway to the Arctic. | ||
| Well, just today, we read not only one Chinese vessel, five Chinese vessels in icebreakers, in a Conga line, heading up to the Arctic. | ||
| What's more, Russia and China together in the Pacific taking target practice on mock enemy submarines, right? | ||
| Blowing them up. | ||
| I wonder who that could be, right? | ||
| So this is all going on in our Pacific. | ||
| We need to, you know, Secretary Noam hats off. | ||
| She's going to be up in Alaska next week commissioning a new icebreaker for our fleet. | ||
| It's actually, it's actually an anchor handling ship that's been repurposed. | ||
| Key, it's going to be put into work. | ||
| That's a great first step. | ||
| We need to also get more active on these Aleutian islands and protect them. | ||
| Remember, we talked about ATU and the American sacrifice there in World War II. | ||
| This is our westernmost point in the United States, a part of Alaska, only miles off the Russian coast of Kamchatka, but today abandoned with all the World War II infrastructure still in place. | ||
| We have ADAC Island that has a 22 million gallon fuel depot there. | ||
| It's shut down, right? | ||
| These were shut down by the Obama and the Clinton administrations. | ||
| We need to reactivate our Arctic. | ||
| Russia has 10 bases across their Arctic and they keep going. | ||
| China is sending five research break, you know, research vessels right past Alaska. | ||
| They're actually picking things up off the shore. | ||
| Remember, in the Aleutians, we have plenty of these rare earth minerals. | ||
| You can actually pick up scandium, which goes in our F-35s. | ||
| You can pick it up right on nodules off the seabed floor, right? | ||
| So you've got to kind of wonder what the Chinese are up to up there. | ||
| But we need to build more vessels. | ||
| That's in the way one big beautiful bill gave us $8.5 billion to do that. | ||
| I think we're going to see some action here shortly from the DHS and the Coast Guard, which is great. | ||
| There's been a lot of noise about Canada and Finland, but I think we also have to look at other groups. | ||
| Actually, one of our partners in NATO, the Dutch, and one of their leading shipbuilders has probably built more icebreakers on the water in the last 10 years, over 100 that are in service around the globe, including the most sophisticated polar research vessels on the water. | ||
| And that's in Australia, a ship called the New Yena. | ||
| And I understand they may be able to have vessels newly built on the water in 2027, which would be fantastic for the United States. | ||
| So all these things are coming together. | ||
| I think we have a fantastic team, President Trump, Secretary Rubio, Secretary Noam, they all get this. | ||
| Secretary Hekseth, Bridge Colby, obviously, but then you don't have America first people at the levels down. | ||
| You don't have an ambassador to Russia. | ||
| You don't have an ambassador to the Arctic. | ||
| You don't have a lot of the kind of from the DAS level up, undersecretaries down, people who really understand Russia and do it. | ||
| Look, hey, the CIA started teaching me Russian as a seventh grader in a Baltimore public school. | ||
| I studied in the Soviet Union as an exchange student. | ||
| I spent 30 years over there doing business. | ||
| I like to think I have a little picture into the way they think, but we cannot focus all the time on the eastern border of Ukraine. | ||
| I spent years over in Ukraine. | ||
| I was there for the Rose Revolution. | ||
| It's not Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye that's important. | ||
| It's our United States boundary. | ||
| It's our hemisphere where we have to focus. | ||
| We got to bounce by really quick. | ||
| Give me a minute. | ||
| Go back to the five icebreakers, the CCP icebreakers. | ||
| Where are they coming from and where are they headed? | ||
| They're steaming right up from China, different ports. | ||
| They've kind of been doodling around Alaska, our Aleutians, up in the Bering Sea, the Chukchi Sea. | ||
| They're kind of dividing up into the Barents Sea. | ||
| And, you know, they're going to be working up there. | ||
| We're not really clear where they're headed. | ||
| We have one of our Healy, our medium icebreakers up there on a tour. | ||
| And we've got our one last research vessel that's kind of on a tour up there. | ||
| But that's it from the U.S., right? | ||
| Our Polar Star or other icebreakers. | ||
| That only works half the year. | ||
| So the question is, we don't know. | ||
| The answer. | ||
| Tom, social media, where do people go to get you your writings, everything on social media? | ||
| This is obviously for hemispheric defense. | ||
| Nothing would be more important. | ||
| I'm going to have Tom on back. | ||
| I think next week we're going to talk about Alaska as one of the most important strategic assets that the United States has. | ||
| Sir, where do people go? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm at Tom Dan CFA on X. And if I might, Steve, I want to give the posse a summer reading list assignment. | ||
| Great book. | ||
| If you're going on vacation, pick it up. | ||
| It's Hampton Sides. | ||
| It's in the Kingdom of Ice. | ||
| It talked about Wrangell Island and the discovery of the Long Islands. | ||
| Very pertinent to our discussions now with Russia and the Arctic. | ||
| These are islands that today are controlled by Russia, but were discovered by Americans with tremendous lives lost. | ||
| So really a fantastic, heroic tale. | ||
| People will enjoy it. | ||
| We're talking about the 1880s here. | ||
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So in the kingdom of ice reading assignment. | |
| I will pull that up and make sure we say it's a fantastic book. | ||
| Hampton Sides, one of the great, great, great historians, popular historians, and narrative historians, did a great job on Kit Carson and the West, the Kearney, General Kearney, and of course, just incredible, incredible. | ||
| Tom Dance, thank you, and thank you for adding to the reading list. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, you got your work cut out for you. | ||
| As Dan says, hey, it's not the Russian-speaking eastern border, Ukraine, that killing field. | ||
| Hopefully, President Trump and Everguard deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. | ||
| It's President Trump, and you'll see that in the second half of the show. | ||
| We talk about Armenia and Azerbaijan. | ||
| But now the Arctic for the defense of the United States and our hemisphere. | ||
| Ben, where do they go to get your social media? | ||
| You're putting up great stuff all day long. | ||
| Where do folks go? | ||
| On Getter, Steve. | ||
| Thanks very much. | ||
| Under my profile, at Harnwell, which is simply my surname. | ||
| Look, if I just follow on and conclude with what Tom Downs was saying, anyone listening to him will have reminded for them just the absolute disaster in America's interests perpetrated on America by President Biden and his administration. | ||
| Russia should never have been allowed to slip into China's clutches like this. | ||
| It should have been enticed into joining the Western political philosophical bloc. | ||
| And of course, Russia has, I think, 53% of the control to the access to the Arctic. | ||
| And China is pushing in. | ||
| It's trying to muscle in there. | ||
| Even in the Arctic, there is a common line of alliance between the United States and Russia. | ||
| This is one thing. | ||
| You say you mentioned that President Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize. | ||
| I tell you what, I don't know what prize would be more important than the Nobel Peace Prize, but there should be a prize for President Trump if, with his personal authority and charisma, he is able to do something to bring President Putin and Russia back into the Western orbit ever so slightly and away from China. | ||
| In which case, the Nobel Peace Prize would be something to hold the door open with. | ||
| Ben, thank you. | ||
| I promise next week you and I are going to spend time. | ||
| We're going to go back to the perfect phone call and we're going to go back to that situation in Ukraine because you're absolutely correct. | ||
| It stole at least a year of President Trump's presidency and all that nonsense. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, thank you so much. | ||
| Great to have you on. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
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| Very special guest about to join us. | ||
| We got a cold open. | ||
| I've been waiting for her to come on. | ||
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Supervised release stopped me and my siblings for coming together to release my parents' ashes. | |
| My two brothers and I spent almost 20 years in prison for a nonviolent drug offense. | ||
| Both of our parents died while we were in prison. | ||
| It killed me and my brothers that we couldn't be there for them in their last days. | ||
| When we were free, all we wanted to do was spread their ashes together as a family. | ||
| But being on supervised release, we had to get permission to be around each other, even though we are brothers. | ||
| We hadn't seen each other in 20 years, where my brother's probation officer denied the request. | ||
| We had no violations while supervision and no violence in our case. | ||
| But we weren't allowed to come together as a family to mourn and ill. | ||
| It wasn't just devastating. | ||
| It was heartbreaking. | ||
| Supervision is supposed to help people rebuild, reconnect, and re-enter society, not keep families like ours apart. | ||
| Jessica, the timing of this couldn't be more perfect. | ||
| I went up to Danbury to collect my cellmate who finally got released. | ||
| 44 years old, and I think he spent 18 or 20 years, something like that, in either state or federal prison on these kind of RICO charges of the distribution of drugs where they don't really find you selling drugs, but they get you in some sort of conspiracy. | ||
| And he's going to a halfway house, but then to supervise release. | ||
| Talk to me. | ||
| We've got a couple minutes on this side, and then we'll hold you through the break. | ||
| What's the purpose, task, and purpose of your organization, ma'am? | ||
| Yeah, so the Reform Alliance was founded in 2019, and our purpose is to transform probation, parole, supervised release. | ||
| We've been working all across the country, passed great bills, 22 of them in states like Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida. | ||
| And now we're working on the federal system and coming to reform supervised release so that families don't have to go through what Duke Tanner there, who you just heard from, has gone through. | ||
| Hang on, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Jessica Jackson joins us. | ||
| And she's one of the reformers. | ||
| And here's, I met her through the new team over at Bureau of Prisons. | ||
| Jared Kushner, Peter Navarra, myself are all kind of in an informal committee to help folks. | ||
| We've got a new reform group at BOP, the first time I think ever. | ||
| And Jessica's one of the people very involved in this. | ||
| And what she's talking about could not be more important. | ||
| This whole issue and concept of supervised release to get people back out into the community and get them productive again. | ||
| And so she's one of these great, unheralded, unheralded, unspoken about heroes that are really trying to reform our system of justice in the United States of America. | ||
| And nothing could be more MAGA. | ||
| I got to tell you, President Trump's effort on the First Step Act, absolutely heroic. | ||
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| So, Joe Allen, first of all, tell people the hallucinations thing is a very big deal. | ||
| Tell them what that means because hallucinations is one of the things that scares people the most about artificial intelligence, sir. | ||
| Yeah, Steve, the hallucinations are basically the system simply lying to the user. | ||
| When an AI is asked a question, its job is to fill in an allotted amount of space with words, and oftentimes it will just veer off course and begin to invent things and present them with full authority. | ||
| When you look at some of the earlier models that GPT put out, some of the streamlined models, you would get as many, as much as 18%, even up to like 40% plus hallucinations out of those models when they were doing the testing. | ||
| It doesn't mean every single interaction is going to produce that, just when they're doing the testing. | ||
| With the new model, with GPT-5, at least with the internal testing, they've reduced this dramatically, like 5x on the various benchmarks, so that 03, for instance, would hallucinate, say, 5% of the time on a specific benchmark. | ||
| Apparently, and again, we'll have to see over time, GPT-5 has reduced that to roughly 1%. | ||
| The reason it's really important, aside from accuracy in the models, is that if corporations are going to adopt this en masse, and they are, and if educational institutions and government agencies are going to adopt it, there has to be a sense of trust that it's not just going to be spitting out invented facts or entire narratives that were invented whole time. | ||
| This is a very thing. | ||
| You could go in and say, hey, I got migraine headaches and ask it, I need what are some cures? | ||
| What are amazing cures or great cures for migraine headaches? | ||
| In hallucinations, the AI would come up with just makeup studies, make up reports. | ||
| You could actually be taking poison. | ||
| I mean, you don't know. | ||
| It's hallucinating. | ||
| It was doing things that people would do when they're on drugs or an LSD or whatever, just creating stuff out of thin air. | ||
| And a lot of people early on when these things are first released would take everything as the gospel truth. | ||
| It's quite now they've reduced it dramatically, but it's quite far from being the gospel truth, correct? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And again, these are internal tests. | ||
| So it's quite possible that the hallucinations are maybe even as bad as they ever were. | ||
| It's just going to take time for a large number of people to work through the system's outputs to see exactly how it's performing. | ||
| These massive models that require all these data centers and all this energy, and these guys aren't even talking about climate change anymore because it's the rush to transhumanism, right? | ||
| To go past Homo sapiens. | ||
| You talked about a 50% increase in computing power, computing time. | ||
| Dude, in any other industry, that would be like jaw-dropping. | ||
| Yet you kind of downplayed it. | ||
| Is it because other metrics mean more that they're compared to? | ||
| And the people are, I'm not saying it's a yawn, but it's kind of like, okay, but it's not everything. | ||
| And did they overpromote AGI? | ||
| Like people thought since they, as we said, hey, something must be happening the next 48 hours, guys. | ||
| They're talking about AGI a lot, sir. | ||
| Yeah, Steve, I think you really hit it there. | ||
| That Sam Altman has really been out there for the last month, kind of seeding this idea of an expert in every pocket, seeding this notion of super intelligence as a goal, but maybe one that is right within the reach of the company. | ||
| That doesn't seem to be the case at all. | ||
| And that's one of the issues with overselling is that once something is actually presented, it better live up to something like that. | ||
| The whole notion of transhumanism is, one hopes, a massive oversell. | ||
| But that adoption rate is really, really important because if a huge number of people right now, it's 700 million, not to mention all the people who use, say, Grok or Meta's AI or Claude from Anthropic, all of the people using this have put their trust in it. | ||
| And all of these investors have poured billions of dollars in under the assumption that something like the promise of AGI is going to be spat out the other end. | ||
| Right now, not so much. | ||
| But again, the really important thing isn't necessarily where it's at right now, but where it is going, what it's telling, what this release tells us about where it's going. | ||
| Just to mention one thing, Steve, you'd ask, like, are there other metrics? | ||
| There's one key test that a lot of people look to as is essential to sussing out whether a general intelligence is emerging. | ||
| It's known as Arc AGI. | ||
| It was produced and developed by the team head by Francois Chalet, if I'm pronouncing that French name correctly. | ||
| And the idea is a kind of puzzle, right? | ||
| You have a reasoning puzzle that shows certain patterns that the computer or human has to complete. | ||
| Grok, Grok 4, actually performs better, apparently, than GPT-5. | ||
| So you can, it's complicated, but you can see how on certain metrics, such as the time horizon, such as how efficiently or how quickly it can code, say, a two and a half hour long task, the reasoning capability falls behind. | ||
| But again, if everyone is adopting this, in some ways, all of these statistics matter less than the fact that human beings en masse are simply turning to machines for better answers than humans. | ||
| 700 million people a week. | ||
| Joe Ellen, we got to bounce. | ||
| Where do people go to get all your content, brother? | ||
| Because it is cutting edge and there's no hallucinations. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Where do you go, sir? | ||
| I certainly hope not, Steve. | ||
| You can find everything at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, Jobot.xyz. | ||
| And I will see everybody in DC very shortly. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| Philip Patrick joins. | ||
| Philip, I had you on here. | ||
| I want to talk about the temporary governor at the Fed board, Steve Merriman, but I got to ask you, I become more convinced of this every day. | ||
| And I've never asked you this, but I got to throw it out. | ||
| The more we cover artificial intelligence, the more you see the crypto, the more you thank God for good old gold, don't you? | ||
| I mean, it has a certain anchor to human experience, right? | ||
| And you've got all this. | ||
| It's so hard to think through where artificial intelligence is going. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| We see the complexity of artificial intelligence. | ||
| You add CRISPR, you add all these other things on it. | ||
| I think gold is going to be more popular. | ||
| And I'm not predicting about a price, but I think it's going to be more popular or looked at by mankind as something that's absolutely stable as you go to all these cryptocurrencies and fiat currency kind of turns into a digital fiat currency. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Yeah, I think you're absolutely correct. | ||
| And it is a frightening world we're heading into. | ||
| But even more than that, gold throughout history has shown Itself to be a safe haven asset. | ||
| It's a contrarian asset and it performs during tough times. | ||
| We're not seeing that with crypto. | ||
| We're seeing explosions there for sure. | ||
| What we don't understand with cryptocurrency is its relationships with other asset classes. | ||
| And at least for now, things like Bitcoin seem to be moving in lockstep with the NASDAQ. | ||
| What we're talking about here is a contrarian asset with thousands of years of history. | ||
| We understand how it moves in relation to other assets. | ||
| It's the opposite end of the spectrum. | ||
| I'm a gold guy and I will remain a gold guy. | ||
| I mean, it kind of kind of makes sense because since we came off gold in what, 1971 with Nixon, you see the deterioration of these fiat currencies and the printing of these fiat currencies. | ||
| You would almost think the human aspect, even the digital side, is going to be the same. | ||
| This is why gold's always been, we say it's a hedge. | ||
| It's a kind of an anchor to windward, is it not? | ||
| It's exactly it. | ||
| An anchor's the best word to use. | ||
| Listen, when we were on a gold standard, things like runaway inflation just didn't exist. | ||
| I mentioned last time I was on prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve, inflation averaged 0.4% a year. | ||
| Since the Fed have got involved, cheap money, juicing the markets, we've created bubble after bubble after bubble, each one bigger and more perilous than the last. | ||
| So the evidence is there. | ||
| It is clear to see. | ||
| President Trump announced today, and it kind of makes sense, you had this interim period of, I think, seven months, right, for a governor, but they still have to get confirmed. | ||
| And he picked Steve Miran, right? | ||
| He keeps his job because you can be dual had it if you have a government job. | ||
| You can't have a private sector job. | ||
| So someone like Larry Kudlow would have been ruled out. | ||
| As you know, we've been very much pushing Judy Shelton twofold. | ||
| Number one, because of what happened to her the first time, but really because I think it's very important, very important to have at least someone as a governor that actually, I think, not just understands gold, but makes the case for gold as a stabilizing influence in our currency. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| I couldn't agree more. | ||
| And it goes deeper than that. | ||
| She's been a critic of central bank secrecy and unaccountability for years. | ||
| She has been, as you mentioned, an open defender of sound money. | ||
| She's floated the idea essentially of a modern gold standard. | ||
| She's talked about the Fed's balance sheet, and I love the term that she used, a weapon of mass distortion, meaning she understands very well the dangers of easy money. | ||
| She's also, and I like this as well, she's skeptical of the Fed's dual mandate. | ||
| She said she wants to focus back on stable prices instead of chasing full employment. | ||
| And this is sort of a tricky point, right? | ||
| Because we're talking about people's jobs here. | ||
| But ultimately, it's been this sort of prioritizing of full employment that has led the Fed, in my mind, to sort of stimulate and fuel these bubbles. | ||
| Look at the Bank of England as an example. | ||
| They have a dual mandate as well, but they prioritize stable prices. | ||
| So I think she's a very good pick for Fed chair. | ||
| Ultimately, the issues that we have at the moment would have been mitigated with sound monetary policy, and she's a believer in that. | ||
| I think it's going to be a tough one, though. | ||
| Wall Street and the globalist crowd have hated her ideas for years. | ||
| But if she follows through and can get the nomination, I think we could see more discipline in monetary policy and more transparency in how decisions are made. | ||
| And I think it's very important if we want to reshape the Fed and create more trust. | ||
| So if it was my pick, I'd pick Shelton as well for whatever it's worth. | ||
| Let's say this: Wall Street, when War Room pushed it, Wall Street did not stand up and salute. | ||
| They are not, the last thing they want is Judy Shelton in their life. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| So I asked Philip to stay over about how people can engage with Birch Gold because I think now more than ever, we're also going to talk about Lula. | ||
| You would think with the tariffs and everything President Trump is talking about and some of the sanctions on the judge, they'd be trying to calm it down. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's actually talking about rallying the bricks now for a second wave of activity. | ||
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