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WarRoom Battleground EP 822: Exposing The Soros Funding Behind The Dems Jailbreak; Rethinking mRNA
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Waru.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
Welcome.
It is Tuesday, 5 August.
You're overlord 2025.
Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, joins us with his new book.
So, Alex, even today's show, we go from Austin.
We're talking about the battle in Illinois.
They're going to go to court on Friday when he vacates us.
They'll have him right in court.
They're in paneling a grand jury in South Florida.
They're bringing evidence on not just seditious conspiracy, but also Jack Smith and what he did.
The House is now sending out not just a list of stuff on Epstein, but they're also going to now come forward with a list on what's happening about going after President Trump for years.
And on top of all that, we have 175 different lawsuits to deny President Trump his Article II powers because they understand to delay is to deny.
Is that the thesis of your book?
Is that this is what it's down to?
They got this.
And you can see Bolsonaro is arrested last night under house arrest now, and they're throwing another charge on him for a coup d'état.
You see Maureen Le Pen's got four years in prison.
It's still kind of up in the air how that's going to do it.
Is this what they got?
And this is where they're going to bring the heat?
alex marlow
Steve, thank you.
I got three big points for you.
The first one is people have not fully looked at the connective tissue of all these cases.
This is one of the biggest conspiracies, if not the biggest conspiracy of the 21st century.
And we just blew through it.
Donald Trump had to take on six major cases at a time.
It's not just Jack Smith.
Jack Smith was a blatantly unconstitutional appointment according to our U.S. Constitution and the appointments clause.
And yet he was allowed to operate with impunity with no checks and balances whatsoever for 18 months.
He was put in there by Merrick Garland.
We know that means Joe Biden.
I want to know the extent of the conspiracy.
I want to know every conversation that took place.
You look at cases like the Stormy Daniels case, the only case that had a conviction.
They sent a guy from the top of the DOJ, Matthew Calangelo, who's the third most powerful guy at the DOJ.
He was in line to be an FBI director or a Supreme Court justice or a cabinet secretary.
He goes down and takes a junior level job for Alvin Bragg in Manhattan to do what?
To bag Trump and I would presume communicate with the White House as well.
What's that about, Steve?
That's like taking a four-star general off the field and putting him in the Army Reserves as a private.
It's the same as taking someone off the center field for the New York Yankees and throwing them down to Coach T-Ball.
That's what they were doing.
Why are they doing this?
It's all a vast conspiracy.
And it's each and every case.
Nathan Wade, the family lawyer who was put on the Fonnie Willis case, taking eight-hour meetings at the White House.
What's he discussing in those meetings?
We know what he's discussing.
We have brains and we just stop caring about this.
We stop caring about this conspiracy against rights for Donald Trump.
It's not just Jack Smith.
He's part of a massive lawfare superstructure.
The only way to beat it is to fight tooth and nail right now.
I don't want this audience.
And Steve, this is why I reached out to you specifically.
I sent two texts with this book that I wanted to send out.
People who I wanted this on their radar.
You are one of them.
And the reason why is because of the posse.
You can only win this with a robust grassroots that's fully engaged, that's on a wartime footing, not taking a summer vacation because we're an off-election season.
No, the lawfare superstructure is working right now.
They're working in Texas.
They're working all over the country.
They're trying to shut down what you guys earned by fighting and beating them in 2024.
That's the point.
That's the warning that we're trying to make.
steve bannon
Go to me.
I want to go make sure I'm sure we got it because the posse is on this.
You said the connective tissue is number one.
What?
The connective tissue is going to be a good question.
Second, third point.
alex marlow
The warning is number two, that this is ongoing.
It's happening right now.
And the third point is that if we don't get the indictments, if we don't get the perp walks, if we don't get justice fully served to President Trump and people like you who suffered, there's still one way to get justice long term, and that's full engagement, winning elections, getting people who are engaged so we get the best appointments possible, making sure our leaders are not appointing any weak-kneed people who are going to roll over at the second, the New York Times writes a negative headline about them.
We can't ever let that happen again.
And maintaining that wartime footing, not immediately going to peacetime mode just because Trump won.
That's the fear I've got is that this movement will make that mistake.
And if we're not going to make that mistake, it's going to start with audiences exactly like yours, Steve.
steve bannon
Well, I think here's the thing, and I keep telling people this, is that we got to stick the landing here because this is the greatest political crime President Trump said.
This dwarfs Watergate or anything that came before it.
Maybe the Kennedy, maybe the Kennedy assassination.
Let's put a pin in that.
But we have to do it.
We have to stick the landing with indictments and perp walks.
You can never say what's going to happen at trial, right?
But these people have to be put.
This has to be adjudicated before the nation.
If we don't get to that point, I tell folks, I said, hey, look, you can anticipate that at least 5% of your hardest core base is just going to sit there and go, I can't believe it.
If you didn't bring it home on this, and this is really taking apart the deep state, but particularly the thing that drives a deep state, and that's the interconnectedness in the law affair that drives them.
So I think your third point is one that, and that's why, hey, the audience this week, and this is, you know, the Senate's gone, the House is gone.
Our audience are as big as they are in a run-up to election.
Why?
Because this thing in Texas has metastasized at the same time.
President Trump's calling out Obama and saying, hey, you're guilty of treason.
That doesn't happen every day in American history, but now it's incumbent upon the apparatus, the Justice Department, these prosecutors.
This is why I keep arguing for a special prosecutor because they're too swamp.
But if they're not, fine.
But we must stick the landing, sir.
alex marlow
Do we take law and order seriously in this country?
Do we take our democracy seriously in this country?
Are we actually stewards of our Constitution?
If we are, then we can't accept that there hasn't been a single person held accountable for the stuff I just laid out, not to mention the Russia stuff.
And the list goes on.
It needs to start.
And there's another key component here.
One of Trump's core appeals is promises made, promises kept.
This audience was told, we were told that there'd be accountability for someone.
I don't think everyone thinks that Barack Obama is going to jail.
I'm smart enough to know that's highly unlikely.
But you know what I want to see?
I want to see people try.
I want to see people try to actually connect the dots, do a full investigation.
And when they have people slipping up, which they will, if they turn over every stone, then those people do need to get purpoped and they need to get treated way worse than anything that you saw and Trump saw because you guys didn't do anything.
You guys got wrapped up in a big dragnet to try to subvert an election.
That is, If you guys go to jail for that, then what do you do for the people who are actually conspiring to nullify the vote of 80 million Americans?
steve bannon
Let's go back.
I want to go back to the, and I think this is the attitude has got to change.
And I'm not saying Comer and these guys are not nice guys, but are good people, but they kind of play by the old playbook of the standard stock Republican establishment, right?
You saw the investigations they had, and we didn't lay a glove on anybody, right?
How does that have to change?
Because one dramatic aspect of this is the executive branch, is the Department of Justice, is these prosecutors going for the criminal part.
The other is Congress also has to get involved here so that this can never happen again.
And this includes defunding the deep state.
What do you recommend we need to see out of both the House and the Senate to make sure that we stick the landing there?
alex marlow
Yeah, I think that I lay out a pretty good blueprint of what are the subpoenas that need to happen.
What are the specific investigations that need to take place?
But I don't have subpoena power.
I'm very limited as a citizen journalist.
I do the best I can to connect dots.
I don't think anyone really does it any better.
But the thing is, is this is only a map for where things need, where the pressure needs to be placed.
And the pressure needs to be placed right away.
There's an urgency here because they're gearing up for 2026 and 2028.
The law fear superstructure knows that they've drawn blood because someone who's not as tough as you, not as tough as a Peter Navarro, not as tough as a Donald Trump, these types of people would have rolled over and caved a long time ago.
They know that message was sent to the MAGA movement.
And we are the ones who could potentially be living in fear when it should be them because they were the ones who were breaking the law.
And so this is the point that needs to be made here is that we need to make sure that there are not two tiers of justice in this country.
Because if there is, that 5% you're talking about are going to check out.
And it's very hard for someone like me or you, Steve, to get behind the microphone and say that you were promised there's not going to be two tiers of justice and there is to tell you to go and vote for the people who didn't get the job done.
That's why your point about sticking the landing is crucial.
It is absolutely crucial.
We start seeing the receipts and the results.
steve bannon
Alex is one of the most serious young men in the country.
He's been the editor-in-chief since virtually Andrew passed away, also does the morning show.
So he's got a big lift there.
Tell me, why is this book the best book right now for a battle map?
That if somebody wants to get up and speed totally of what went down, all the details, but also laying forward some people.
Because right now, and I think somebody the other day said, hey, this thing's so confusing.
We need to frame this properly.
And people need to know both the details, but they also need to know the big picture.
Why is your book the one that people should buy?
alex marlow
Yeah, thank you again for the opportunity, Steve.
It really means a lot.
I feel like that what I try to do is I try to translate some of the more complicated stuff back to people who maybe checked out a little bit.
Maybe they got confused.
I haven't spoken to one person who is not someone that, you know, I would be reading a Julie Kelly type to catch up on what's going on, who can fully explain all the six major cases, how they were going on at the same time, the connective tissue between the cases.
And I try to do the clearest job possible of laying out the essentials so that you understand the extent of the conspiracy and really how absurd each and every one of these things were, what the origins of some of them were.
The Stormy Daniels case, that wouldn't have even taken place if it wasn't for the Russian collusion hoax.
That case should never have happened.
It was born of Michael Cohen and the Russian collusion fake news.
Most people don't know that stuff.
People in the war room audience might, but this is definitely something that will get people primed for discussions that need to happen in this country about the subversion of law and order that took place to try to make sure Trump was in jail and not in the White House.
steve bannon
Pretty good pull quote on the cover of the book, a must-read from President Trump.
He doesn't give that.
That's like a five-star rating.
I want to know where everyone wants to hack my phone.
Go ahead.
alex marlow
Everyone wants to hack my phone.
I got the audio of Trump giving me that quote.
It's the most surreal thing I've ever heard.
I couldn't believe it was happening when he was rattling off the quote.
I was like, is this really happening?
It's crazy.
But he's been supportive, which I really appreciate.
steve bannon
Well, no, because you know from Boris and all Mike Davis, all of us back in those dark days of 2021 and know the long struggle.
And now we've got to stick the landing.
That's why what Alex is saying, it's what made this, it's what's made the registry such a global news story.
We need to get in back with the war and possibly we're going to have a lot of action items to do, a lot of calls to make, emails to send, text messages, but you're seeing the wave come together.
And President Trump, look, he's raised the stakes appropriately.
He's actually from the Oval Office called out his predecessor as saying, hey, this guy is guilty of seditious conspiracy.
Now it's time for the people that have the evidence to go through, get the evidence.
We have to adjudicate this publicly.
We've always said that.
Where do people go now and get the book and where do they go to get your writings?
alex marlow
Thank you.
I'm very agnostic on where you want to buy it.
If you've got an issue with Amazon, I don't blame you.
I'm fine with it because that's just where a lot of books are sold.
But Books a Million, whatever you want, it's wherever major booksellers are.
I read the audio book, which is really sort of a performance that's really fun if you're an audio type person.
I've got the Alex Marlowe Show podcast, which is new, Steve.
And so I appreciate the chance to plug that.
And Breitbart.com is always number one news source in the world, I think, in terms of getting the latest hardcore information on this stuff.
But I really appreciate you and I appreciate the posse because this is one where if we make the mistake we made during the first Trump administration and kick back a little bit, I know you weren't kicking back, but some people were.
You've got to stay in those core agenda items and the promises made, promises kept.
This audience was promised the perp walks and the handcuffs.
I get cynical on this stuff.
Sometimes I think they're not going to happen.
It doesn't mean I don't want to see the best effort humanly possible put forward by the people in power.
We're starting to see it.
I'm very heartened by this, but it's not just Jack Smith.
He's part of a massive cabal.
steve bannon
Yeah.
No, by the way, if we don't do this and take this apart, everything we've done from sealing the border to the deportations to the tax cuts to the hemispheric defense getting out of the America first, it's all going to be unwound.
I keep telling people, hey, they're coming and they want to put people in prison again.
Okay.
This is going to, we are so far from being through this.
This is why it's so important.
I've also got to tell the audience that just like Natalie Winters was an intern here, the first time, so the first time I think I really spent time with Andrew Breitbart, we had just shown him, you know, we tried to show a film the last 600 meters I made with Michael Pack.
It didn't work.
So we went downstairs.
I go downstairs and Larry Soloff, who's the CEO of the company, was the lawyer at the time.
And he's there because Andrew was tied up in about 50 lawsuits.
He was so controversial and guys were trying to steal the name.
And then Alex Marlowe's there.
And your job that day, I think, was changing diapers, right?
You were helping him edit Drudge.
He did about 400 radio hits.
And Alex, I said, who's this guy?
Alex, how old were you when you first started working for Andrew?
alex marlow
I was 21.
So you probably met me when I was 22, 23, probably that range.
So it's been quite a wild ride.
Why a wild ride?
steve bannon
A wild ride.
From his aide-de-camp to the editor-in-chief.
Alex, also social media.
Where do people go to get you and follow you on Twitter?
Beings, Andrew is the guy that made Twitter.
He was the trump of Twitter years before Donald Trump came on and really got big on Twitter.
Where do people go?
alex marlow
And at Alex Marlowe as the Twitter spot, and I'm on most of the other platforms as well.
And don't always keep my handle straight.
I'm like you, Steve.
I'd kind of prefer to do the talking and then let someone else do the tweeting.
But you're pretty good at the tweeting.
I'm the getter stuff, not grinder.
steve bannon
The getter.
A fraud.
alex marlow
I'm not the first person.
steve bannon
He's terrible at the guy.
Alex Marlowe.
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Thank you.
alex marlow
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Let's everybody go get the book.
Thank you, brother.
And Mo and Grace.
I guess Mo is actually with Jack Pisovic in Poland.
So, Grace, let's get this.
If we send a link to the book, it's a great primer, and I know you guys need a primer.
I asked Matthew Palumbo to drop what he's doing and jump on here.
I've got Robin called Dr. Robin Cole, huge announcement coming out of HHS.
We're going to get to in a minute.
Palumbo, Soros, you're the expert on the father.
You wrote that great book in the father.
I don't think a lot of people know that you've got a book coming out in a short while on the sun.
The sun, and I keep telling people, don't think because Soros is 80-some years old and is going to leave this Vale of Tears shortly, that the demonic activity of sources have stopped.
I actually think it's going to get worse.
And today, they're finally exposing like who in the hell is paying for this jailbreak of these radical Democratic House members.
Guess what?
It's Soros.
So walk us through the sun.
Why is the son somebody that we really got to start focusing on?
Because he's back, whether it's Donnie in New York City or the jailbreak with these radical Democrats in Illinois.
This guy's hand's going to be everywhere, sir.
matt palumbo
Yeah, well, I spent, I mean, I would say it was probably 500 to 600 hours putting this book together.
And the reason it took so long was at least twice as long as the last one was just because of the amount of original research it took, because there just wasn't really that much out on him.
And he is, you know, I say the Apple, you know, it's not only that the Apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I don't know if it really fell at all.
He is to a large extent a more youthful clone of his father.
And, you know, the best case scenario for us, I guess, would be the Open Society Foundation just continuing on autopilot.
But obviously, that's not going to be the case.
One of the pieces of original research I did for the book alongside the Media Research Center and Joe Vazquez was we went through all of the climate grants that the OSF spends because Alex has listed climate change as his number one issue for since his first interviews.
And we went through, it was a couple thousand grants and we started plotting the spending.
And basically from 2016, the earliest year they gave us data, up until Alex took over, they had spent $193 million on climate and climate-related things.
Ever since Alex took over, which was just two years ago, he's authorized $438 million in spending.
And it's not just climate groups that are climate-specific.
The thing about left-wing activism that I think a lot of people have noticed is there's sort of catch-all groups where, you know, climate will be the number one issue that they advertise, but also you go to their rallies and for some reason, there's a pro-Palestine guy there.
There's a pro-gun control guy there.
There's a pro-union guy.
And the left will use groups like that almost as front groups for all these other left-wing causes.
So that's one of the big things he's doing.
Another chapter that I wanted to do and ended up researching for was: well, what happened to all of these progressive prosecutors that his father had hired?
Is he hiring more?
Are they more or less moderate?
Are there more today or less today than when he took over?
And there's been about two dozen George Soros-funded prosecutors that have been driven from office or retired early among scandal, but he's more than replaced them with new prosecutors.
And the one I lead with is the case of Kim Ogg.
Now, Kim Ogg was a Harris County prosecutor, George Soros funded.
And she initially went along with the Soros agenda, but then kind of reversed on it after realizing it was increasing crime, which is of rarity, obviously, among the Soros prosecutors.
She's the only one to really reverse course and then kind of sever ties with Soros.
So Alex Soros funded a prosecutor to go after a George Soros-funded prosecutor for not being radical enough.
And she ended up losing her primary 75-25.
A lot of other prosecutors that are now becoming household names for their craziness, like Mary Maria Tree, she was the one where a Tim Wall staffer vandalized Tesla cars.
It was $20 plus thousand dollars in damage.
And she gave him a diversion program saying, well, you know, we don't want to ruin the guy's life over this.
Two days prior to her doing that, there was a worker at, I believe, a Waffle house who cooked her coworker's car.
It was like $2,000 or $3,000 in damage.
And she got criminally charged, meaning, you know, the laws are enforced in a way that always helps the left.
So those are two things that stand out.
And then I'm going to leave on one last thing to not ramble.
You know, one of the questions people always ask me is, well, what can we do about groups like the Open Society Foundation?
Can we investigate them?
And if so, over what?
And I was going through the, you know, the most the year Alex took over the OSF.
And I did a chapter just on grants of his that he authorized that were half a million dollars or more and in the U.S. because I thought, you know, that shows commitment.
He probably has a lot of control as a percentage of overall funding of groups.
And there was at least a half dozen I found that don't appear to be legitimate groups.
And when I say I mean groups that he gave millions of dollars to where the website is a paragraph of text and a donate button.
They claim to be active groups, but there's no news articles about them.
There's no social media presence.
If there is a social media presence, you know, it's got 50 views on a YouTube video.
And then their financials just make no sense whatsoever.
They'll raise millions of dollars, but their office expense will be like 200 bucks.
They'll have no computer or social expense.
Just a lot of things that don't really add up where, you know, I'm not an accountant, but I think in an investment, you know, a forensic accountant probably could take a lot of interest in that.
steve bannon
But why would they do that?
What are those groups?
What's the purpose of those groups?
Just to funnel money, get money into some of these left-wingers so they can just do what it's a pool of cash.
They can do what they want.
matt palumbo
Yeah, the thing is, too, like Soros, the father and son have openly given money to pass through groups like the Tithes Foundation.
The difference with these groups is they're just not advertised as such.
They're advertised as active groups that are going out and having protests.
But you go through the actual numbers and it's money getting siphoned off to random groups.
And some of them are getting siphoned off to other groups that he's giving money to.
So it's just a bizarre web that, you know, I think definitely requires a lot more looking into.
And I think, too, even from a not from like a like an accounting standpoint, the reason he does this is largely, you know, actually, the reason he gives the groups at all is for plausible deniability, because whenever they do something wrong, if they take part of a riot, when the OSF puts out a statement, they say, well, we didn't do it.
It was a group we gave money and we have certain conditions and they violated them.
And I point out in the book, I'm like, you can't give money to an arsonist and then say, well, gee, I had no idea what was going to happen, but that is how they operate.
And I think with these other groups, A, there could be something fraudulent going on, or B, it's just they want more layers for some other sort of sinister activity.
steve bannon
I want to go before I lose you, I want to just make sure that people, it kind of drafts off what Alex Marlow was saying.
The son, I think, is more radical than the father.
We're moving through a time that's going to be much more radical than what the father did.
We're going to look at that like you kind of look at Obama in Obamacare.
Remember the Tea Party.
All that seems so gentle today of where we're going because we're going to a very dark space to save our nation.
This kid in these radical, what he's doing, like in New York, what he's doing in Texas, these are not normal things.
In New York, you have the Red-Green Alliance.
This is neo-Marxism combined with radical jihad.
In Texas, you actually have their leaving to Illinois and saying, hey, we don't care if you shut down all the government processes on the legislature and we don't care.
And he's underwriting.
He's underwriting.
They're getting more and more radical, right?
As they know they can get fewer wins, and that's where they're going to play Smash Mouth.
When Soros and that phony candidate take over with the Working People's Party and DSA, because a lot of Republicans say, oh, let them get it.
They're going to screw it up and this will be, we'll be able to campaign.
I said, you don't understand how these guys operate.
This is like French Revolution guys taking power.
These are hardcore people.
And once they grab onto power, you're going to have to pry them out.
Give our audience a second about just how he's much more radical than his father, I think, and backing much more radical people.
matt palumbo
Yeah, I mean, he openly identifies as a progressive, and you just have to go to his social media accounts.
I mean, it's, there's that famous line in the movie, The Big Short, where he says, you know, they're not confessing they're bragging.
And that is how it feels when he's posting all these photos.
Although, on the Texas point, the group you mentioned, Texas Majority PAC, which is obviously an ironic name if you're a Democrat in Texas, does get about two-thirds of its funding from Alex.
And they, fortunately, when they started to try to turn Texas blue in the last election, or at least purple, did not get anywhere.
And Alex, I don't know how good he is at picking candidates outside of the progressive prosecutors because in one of his social media posts, he was pictured with Jasmine Crockett, and he said that he thinks she's the future of the Democratic Party.
And God, I hope he's correct.
steve bannon
Matthew, where do they go to get all your content and where they go to get the book, this new book?
On, I've had a chance to read it and give a pull quote.
Where do people go to get it?
matt palumbo
So, my social media that no one reads is Matt Palumbo12 on Twitter.
But for the book, as your last guest said, Anywhere Works.
They actually moved up the date it gets released to October 28th.
I should probably upload that banner there that no one's reading.
But Amazon is probably the easiest.
And I know it's a pre-order right now, but one of the things it helps us with on the Alex Soros book is if we sell a certain amount on the day it gets released through pre-orders, the New York Times basically has to put it on their bestseller list.
And I know they don't want to do that.
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So that would be a full.
steve bannon
We want to make the air a top 10 New York Times bestseller when it launches.
Matt Palumbo, thank you so much, brother.
Fantastic.
matt palumbo
Thanks so much for having me, Steve.
Thank you.
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So either they're going to rig elections or they're going to get into the courts and just punch you out.
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robert f kennedy-jr
Hi, it's Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. here, your HHS secretary.
At HHS, we have a division called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA.
BARDA drives some of our most advanced scientific research.
It funds developments of vaccines, drugs, diagnostics, and other tools to fight emergent diseases and national health threats.
Over the past few weeks, BARDA reviewed 22 mRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them.
Let me explain why.
Most of these shots are for flu or COVID, but as the pandemic showed us, mRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.
Here's the problem: mRNA only codes for a small part of the viral proteins, usually a single antigen.
One mutation, and the vaccine becomes ineffective.
This dynamic drives a phenomenon called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine, paradoxically, encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine.
Millions of people, maybe even you or someone you know, caught the Omicron variant despite being vaccinated.
That's because a single mutation can make mRNA vaccines ineffective.
The same risk applies to flu.
After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that mRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for these respiratory viruses.
That's why after extensive review, BARDA has begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling just under $500 million.
To replace the troubled mRNA programs, we're prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies, like whole virus vaccines and novel platforms that don't collapse when viruses mutate.
Let me be absolutely clear.
HHS supports safe, effective vaccines for every American who wants them.
That's why we're Moving beyond the limitations of mRNA for respiratory viruses and investing in better solutions.
Thank you.
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Produced by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
steve bannon
Okay, now I'm totally confused.
I'm totally confused.
I think we just heard a bombshell going off.
Dr. Ryan Cole, you have such great credibility with the audience.
You've been doing this for years during the darkest days of the pandemic, and you speak with authority.
So I'm confused.
We had Dr. Mullensome folks on, it's like two weeks ago, and I thought the whole thing, you have this new committee, it's staffed with new people.
The New York Times is in meltdown, but I thought they gave the go-ahead because I had to jump in there because this is not my line of country, but we've done enough on war and pandemic that I know at least had to ask the right questions.
I said, hang on for a second.
I thought we had a big problem with mRNA in that this was going to be kind of put not in abeyance, but further study before we started printing it out.
And my answer I got, oh, no, no, no.
This is so today you guys canceled all the development contracts, a half a billion dollars of development contracts for 22 mRNA working on 22 research elements or development elements for respiratory, for vaccines for respiratory illness.
Is that what happened?
dr ryan cole
Yes.
I mean, this is, like you said, this is a massive win for Secretary Kennedy and basically a silencing of many of the critics.
It's not a ban on mRNA like many people would like to see.
However, it is the wind down of the government investing through BARDA in these technologies and their global health investment corporation partner is advised to stop all equity investments in modified RNA technologies.
So follow the money.
When the money isn't there, these are going to fizzle.
So I think, like you said, this is a bombshell.
The repercussions are going to be felt worldwide.
There will be backlash.
People want their novel technologies and the potential monies that come from investments in it.
But it's an unsafe technology.
steve bannon
And as Secretary Kennedy unambiguously stated there— You say it's an unsafe technology.
Hasn't the United States government with these companies that are publicly traded?
You got to help me out here.
I know there's been a lot of stuff on the podcast and people come into the war room, but that's very different than doing detailed research, platinum-level research that the Secretary promised, and then coming out with a bombshell like this.
So up until this point today that this was announced, mRNA was to a large extent looked at as the future.
Correct me if I'm wrong, of a technology for vaccines for respiratory illness.
Was it not?
dr ryan cole
Well, it mistakenly was by people who don't understand the basic science of it.
And so, you know, the hot new shiny item, many people wanted to go after that hot, new, shiny item, not understanding how it harms the human body and goes to every cell in the human body.
And as the Secretary astutely explained, look, you're looking at a target that's going to mutate and go away.
So it was a failed technology from the beginning and really wouldn't exist.
Moderna wouldn't exist if the government hadn't buoyed them up with upfront money, billions of dollars to get this out into the public.
This is really a holdover of the Fauci mindset that many of us are grateful to see be deinvested and defunded like this.
So you are correct.
I mean, it was enticing, shall we say, to many people that don't understand the technology.
For those of us behind the scenes that do that detailed basic science research, we knew from day one this was a horrible idea, which it's proven to be.
And unambiguously, HHS has stated through Secretary Kennedy, look, these are not effective, and we know that now.
And so this deinvestment in these 22 projects, it's just the beginning.
And so I think this shores up the strength of the Maha movement, the division that we've seen between Maha and MAGA.
This is reunifying.
This is true action.
This is actually going to be beneficial to the health of many that won't get this type of technology put into their bodies going forward.
So it's not an ultimate, everything's gone.
There's still some funding and contracts that will be carried out and finished.
There's still research opportunities in this realm.
However, it's a clear and unambiguous statement that this is not for human use.
steve bannon
What was it that Bobby Kenney's been in there since April?
We're now roughly, right?
Maybe March.
We are now in the first week of August.
What happened?
What research was done?
What paper was reported?
What did they come back with to say, okay, here we are to come to, quite frankly, such a monumental decision.
I'm not saying I disagree with it, but as you know, people have talked about this for years.
People have made your argument for years.
There's so many of these great podcasts with so many of these experts.
You sit there and you watch them.
But something had to happen officially to adjudicate this in the last four or five months.
What was that that actually happened?
dr ryan cole
Excuse me.
I think it's new leadership.
I think at NIH under Dr. Bhattacharya, I think having new members of teams at upper levels, and granted, Bobby doesn't have his full team yet, but I think there are individuals that are willing without fear to look at the actual science and not go along with the crowd and the groupthink and actually look at the science and data instead of saying, well, if I do this, I might lose my job like many of us did.
The fact of the matter is these are brave, bold people who said, okay, what's the actual science?
Let's review it.
Let's, you know, unbiasedly review what's in front of us instead of having basically those threats of reprisal and top experts.
Many of us, like you said, for years have been saying this.
But now some of those peoples are in positions of authority and power and scientific acumen and can say, look, we've gone over the data.
All the lies that we heard from the mainstream media, we can repudiate now.
And we can go forward with authority and state, look, we've reviewed the actual data.
We're in the agencies.
We now have access to that.
And the fraud can be untwined, basically.
steve bannon
How do we go forward?
There's going to be an awful lot of people.
I mean, in our family, I can think about just the Bannon family.
I mean, we had, I would say in the extended, you know, I had five brothers and sisters, but in the extended family, I would say, and I might be wrong on this, I would say 40% of us are unvaxed, not vaxx, and 60% were vaxed.
Of those that took the vax, I think that they passed on the Moderna alternative at first and went to the Pfizer.
But so many people, you know, there was such a wave of that mRNA was the future.
This was, and I kept saying this is really, and maybe I'm incorrect, but I would say this is really a gene therapy, right?
An experimental gene therapy other than a full vaccine.
How do you go back?
I mean, I don't even know how you go to, how do you go back now and tell these folks that took the vaccine based upon what the government was telling them, particularly Fauci.
Fauci was, and remember, we were canceled off of every, we're still canceled on every major platform because we're the guys that went after Fauci the hardest.
And early on, I shifted the name from war and impeachment to warm pandemic for at least one hour.
I think on January 20th of 2020, we were two or three months ahead of the mainstream media, given what I knew about China and the Wuhan and the military medical operation there.
And basically people we knew in there that told us, hey, this is what's happening.
But how do you go back to mainstream media, MSNBC?
I mean, isn't the potential liabilities here massive, sir?
dr ryan cole
You bring up a great point.
And, you know, we're not here to judge anyone that did take a shot.
And in fact, what we need to focus on now is government funding, NIH funding for those who did and are still suffering.
There are a lot of people left in the wake of this program.
And yes, we're going to get attacks still going forward from the legacy media.
However, I think these bold moves give us basically fodder for the cannon to continue to fire and say, look, we will work on better science, better technology, but let's not forget those who were harmed by this.
And that's, I think, an important message for research funding to understand what has been done as we try to disentangle all these interests who are now about to lose half a billion dollars of funding, which I think is wonderful.
And we need to focus on better technologies, not gene therapies that go to every cell in the body, not gene therapies for respiratory viruses.
This is, I think, a new day and a new era going forward.
And as the Secretary said, look, we're for good science.
We're not trying to pull everybody's vaccine away from them, but we're not going to allow them to take on safe ones.
But let's not forget those who did take it.
Many of those people are fine.
That's fantastic, but many of them are not.
And this is where science needs to go forward to try to help those individuals to try to find those mechanisms that I've been explaining from pulpits from Japan to Croatia to the UK Parliament to parliaments all around the world, trying to help politicians understand when science and politics mix, you get bad science sometimes.
And so this is, I think, a new era going forward.
Secretary Kennedy has made a very bold move here.
Yes, there will be investors that are frustrated.
I get that.
This is not about the investors.
This is about human health.
And so if we can logically go forward, try to find those studies, fund the studies that weren't funded under Fauci, and find cures, remedies for those who have been harmed, I think that's a good thing that can come out of this.
Shifting those tax dollars that you and I put in to try to have a decent public health system, which you and I know is broken, and as do the listeners.
But we do need to find solutions.
And I think by refocusing our efforts on something that is better than this failed genre technology is a good idea.
steve bannon
Listen, you're preaching the gospel of the war room for four years.
However, I just got to, because big pharma is just not going to sit there and go, this is wonderful.
Bobby Kennedy, who's an anti-vax wingnut, just canceled the most promising technology out there.
And here's my point.
When you read this release, you go through and says, you know, the decisions, including cancellation, de-scoping of various contracts and solicitations, relate to mRNA vaccine development activities.
And this is by the Biomedical Advanced Research Development's BARDA.
And the quote is from Bobby Kennedy.
We reviewed the science, listened to the experts enacted.
That's fine.
And then you go through a whole bunch of actions shows the vaccines failed to protect effectively, upper respiratory infections, COVID, baboom.
All the actions are taken, termination of this, cancellation of this, de-scoping.
That's all great.
But the buried lead here is that you reviewed the science.
Listen, the experts enacted.
Someone is going to have to come forward.
You and these great doctors are going to come forward and say, hey, this is the science we reviewed.
This is the experts we talked to.
This is the data.
You've got to show the receipts here.
I'm sure the companies out there that are publicly traded are going to come in with massive lawsuits or fights, or you guys are a bunch of vaccine wingnuts.
So my point is, this is an opening salvo, and I realize that these actions are being taken, but they're just not going to roll over.
I mean, this gene therapy, there's so many people that banked on this and have proposed, think about how they look like fools, right?
So my point is, I think HHS has to immediately come out with the BARTA.
And I think BARTA has to make a presentation.
This is what we looked at.
You have to show the receipts to back that up.
Other than that, they're just not going to take your word for it.
Right now, you're saying, okay, we reviewed it and we made these actions.
They're going to refine.
But they're going to say, hey, we need to see what the underlying science was, what's the underlying research, what led you to come to this conclusion that is 180 degrees from what people have been spoon-fed by the most credentialed class in the country.
Am I making sense on that?
dr ryan cole
You are, yes.
And there are over 3,500 peer-reviewed papers in the medical literature showing the harms.
So those are, you can find those at React19.org.
They have a link to those studies.
And continued science comes out showing the harms.
We should have done all of this research prior to putting this in anyone's arms, as everybody knows.
However, you are correct.
Pharma is not going to sit down and take this easily.
They are going to come back, guns are blazing.
And this is where I think unifying scientists, certainly I'm trying to do my part, as many others are.
We need to unify and say, okay, in any court of law, we could make the case that this was a good decision.
And I agree with you.
Senator Cassidy and his, you know, being the head of the biomedical lobby and pharma's chief friend, he's going to be up in arms.
Many people are going to be up in arms.
I get that.
And it means that we need to support Secretary Kennedy.
We don't need to say, look, we won.
Oh, this is a wind down.
This is an opening salvo.
I agree.
This is just an opening salvo.
The battle is yet to be available.
steve bannon
This is going to be massive.
Dr. Ryan Cole, where do people go right now, social media, your website?
Because folks, got to roll your sleeves up.
This is another one.
This is monumental.
This is what you voted for.
But understand, we're a long way.
This victory ain't won with this press release and that video.
This is great.
But there's going to be a couple, three people in the medical establishment of Wall Street that go, your guys are a collection of wingnuts.
And we warned everybody that Bobby Kennedy was a screwball.
And now this is going to show it.
So we're going to get engaged in battle.
Let's go for it.
Where do people go to get you, Dr. Ryan Cole?
dr ryan cole
Yeah, being on the right side of history isn't easy.
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steve bannon
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