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Aug. 5, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4683: Investigations Continue Into The Russia Hoax; Texas Might Win 5 Seats In Redistricting Fight
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alex degrasse
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dave brat
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sam faddis
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ed lavandera
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joe scarborough
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kathy hochul
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rachel maddow
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susan glasser
01:32
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chaplain rich stoglin
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david rohde
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
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willie geist
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susan glasser
The question is why are you doing this?
Why are you doing this?
unidentified
And the answer is because we can.
susan glasser
Because we have the power.
You know, some of the details are like, you know, the plot of a political novel.
And in fact, actually, my colleague, Larry Wright, wrote a terrific political novel just a couple of years ago about the Texas State House called mister Texas.
I highly recommend it.
But, you know, this isn't fiction.
It's a world of raw power politics in which you see how the escalation cycle begins.
Texas does one thing, blue states respond, and all of a sudden we're at a.
kind of a level of political war.
And I'm very struck, as I'm sure you are, Steph, with the language of war being used by Texas Republicans, being used by New York's governor today.
And this is a form of unraveling in itself, but it's raw power politics.
It's all because the Republicans don't have a workable majority in the US House of Representatives right now.
They're afraid of an election, a midterm election coming.
And if history is any guide, throwing them out of the majority in the House, that would be almost a crippling blow for Trump's second term.
second two years of his second and final term in office.
And, you know, what he's saying is, I don't want a level playing field in 2026.
I want to do what I can to tilt the playing field in Texas.
And I just I think it's a new level of conflict that we haven't seen even in Trump's first term.
rachel maddow
You described this as a war.
You said, bring it on.
You've talked about doing something extraordinary, which is potentially paving the way for redistricting in New York, essentially to allow Democrats to take seats that are not currently Democratic-leaning seats, the way that Republicans are doing in Texas.
Tell me about whether you think it's going to get there and whether you think if the war is going to be fought in those terms, who ends up winning?
kathy hochul
Rachel, if we refuse to fight for our democracy, then we're doomed to lose it.
We don't want our democracy lost.
And that's why I'm sick and tired of fighting these battles with my hands tied behind my back, because we have an independent registration commission.
We love good government ideas.
They're fabulous.
But you know what?
It puts us in a political disadvantage to all the Republican states who are able to gerrymandering at will.
So look at the tip of balance in the Congress now and what the Republicans are attempting to do under the direction of Donald Trump, to literally hijack five Democratic seats in Texas, represented particularly by minority communities, they're going to lose their voice.
And the effect of that on New York, why I'm involved in this, if they stack it so it's almost impossible for Hakeem Jeffries to be Speaker in any time in the near future, certainly during the Trump administration, then I have to deal with the onslaught of attacks on my residents, the loss of health care for millions, children starving because they don't have the snap benefits.
And seeing the ICE raids with unfettered power walking into our courthouses and our buildings and our schools wearing masks and blaring guns.
There's no way to stop this if we don't find a way to have some checks and balances in Washington, because we don't have it now.
And if we don't stand up and fight, we won't have it for the entirety of Donald Trump's tenure.
And that is what is so frightening to me.
You know what?
I'm a New Yorker.
I'm from Buffalo.
Fighting is second nature to us.
I'm not afraid of this.
That's why I said, bring it on, because Texas bullies in Texas are not going to intimidate us now or ever.
unidentified
We're also following all the new developmentsments this morning in the showdown in Texas, the State House is set to convene again today after the Republican governor ordered the arrest of dozens of Democratic lawmakers who have now fled that state.
Those Democrats left on Sunday to block the GOP effort backed by President Trump to redraw the state's congressional map.
Now that could have a huge impact on the 2026 midterms, potentially eliminating five Democratic seats in the US House.
And news CNN this morning, CNN reporting this morning, California Democrats are in deep talks to retaliate by redrawing their own map to potentially do away with five Republican seats in that state.
Sources briefed on those talks say the new maps are expected to be part of a ballot referendum in a November special election.
ed lavandera
Texas House is expected to come back about 1 o'clock Central time, 2 o'clock Eastern time.
When they gabbled in yesterday, that's when it was official that the Democrats had broken the quorum here by fleeing the state.
We expect that to continue today.
We are about halfway through this 30-day special legislative session, about two weeks left in it, so they would have to stay away to at least kill the redistricting bill during this session.
But a reminder that the governor here in Texas can simply call another special session, put the redistricting bill back on that schedule, and that all of this would start all over again.
That's why there's so many questions swirling around whether or not and how long the Democrats are willing to stay away from the state to block this measure.
But what is interesting, as you talk about there in the lead-in, that one of the things that we heard from Democrats over and over in the days leading up to them leaving the state is that what they hoped would happen is that this would ratchet up pressure, intensify pressure on other states, and spread the word about what is happening here in Texas and that other states, Democratic states, would follow suit.
And that was one of the things that several Democrats had told us leading up to yesterday's quorum break that they had hoped to see that that would be one of their goals in leaving the state and trying to build momentum for awareness of the redistricting issue.
But Republicans are fighting back.
The governor is obviously threatening arrest, threatening fines, as well as threatening possible criminal charges of bribery as well.
Democrats dismiss that as hollow threats.
But Republicans are also telling them, you know, they're simply cowards for not being here.
1 o'clock Central time.
The House is expected to reconvene.
Yesterday's session lasted only a few minutes, just enough time for the Speaker of the House to initiate the process of issuing the civil arrest warrants and then shortly after that, the Texas governor ordering DPS to bring state troopers to bring the Democrats back.
But of course, outside of the state lines, much of this is not enforceable.
So the Democrats will remain gone.
rachel maddow
The question is for how long this department will say that the president won not just the last election, but he also won the one before that, the one he actually lost.
And anybody who points out that Russia tried to help him win the one before that should be criminally charged for saying that, even though it's true.
We are not heading towards something like this, we are there.
It is here.
It is the environment in which we are now living.
And so, given that you now live in a country with an authoritarian leader, the question is, what can you do for your country?
The question is no longer how to prepare for this risk or how to try to avert it, but rather how to fight it now that it is here and in effect.
And, you know, we're awake now.
It's clear.
We're all living here.
It's very obvious that this is not going to get better on its its own.
This is not going to fix itself.
An authoritarian just seeks more and more and more power throughout not just politics but throughout the whole society, systematically trying to eliminate any effective means of opposing him.
This is a one way ratchet if we leave it up to him.
But that at least gives us some clarity for Americans who do not want to leave it up to him.
We're beyond waiting and seeing now.
It is clear what is going on.
It is clear now that the small d democratic tools that we have right now as a country, these are as good as it is going to get.
We are never going to have more resources.
to fight for our country than we do right now.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
Your son's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA media.
unidentified
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bannon All right, good morning, everyone.
dave brat
Dave Bratt sitting in for the great Stephen K. Bannon this morning.
We have a power pack show leading off.
so much in the news.
You don't know how good Stephen K. Bannon is, sifting through just endless piles of history And that's what the war room does every day.
So honored to be sitting in.
I'm going to start off with breaking news.
House Oversight Committee under Rep James Comer, who I serve with, huge moves here.
And when these guys do the right thing, give them some, give them some positive feedback.
James Comer breaking.
House Oversight Committee is compelling the following individuals to appear for depositions through issued subpoenas.
Former State Secretary Hillary Clinton, October 9, former President Bill Clinton, October 14, former US Attorney General Merrick Garland, October 2, former FBI Director James Comey, October 7,
wow, former US Attorney General William Barr, August 18, former US Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, August 26, former US Attorney General Jeff Sessions, August 28, former FBI Director Robert Mueller, September 2, former US Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Septptember 9, former US Attorney General Eric Holder, September 30, all this in relation to the Epstein files.
We got Alex de Grasse with us.
He's going to be coming in with commentary and then Sam Fattis on this conspiracy we'll dig into in a minute as well.
Yesterday breaking news, if that's not enough, Pam Bondi directed the Justice Department to grand jury investigation of the Obama administration, Brennan Clapper Comey, et cetera as well.
So that's another huge piece of breaking news.
So we've got action, folks.
We've been talking and now we've got action.
And I just want to bring in a straight tangential thing that I think is important that we need to remember as Americans.
This seems a little, you know, nerdy or whatever, but I think you'll get it and the war room posse will get it, right?
We are a republic, a constitutional republic, not a democracy governed by mob rule.
So last week the big breaking news and Mike Benz, you know, just always unreal, Natalie always unreal on this.
But the National Endowment for Democracy, right?
Just that term, right?
They're responsible for overturning governments and cooperation with the CIA and State Department, all this kind of NGOs.
You all know the story, but I don't like the term National Endowment for Democracy.
If you look at this conspiracy that's been alleged by Tulsi and now going to grand jury, we got too close to being a democracy in this country, right?
With the censorship regimes, all the big tech on board that project, conservative CEOs were afraid to speak out, churches were closed..
You all the Fauci piece, what RFK's uncovering, all of that.
We got way too close to being a pure democracy without guaranteed rights for minority factions, James Madison, the Constitution of the US.
So hold us all accountable on this kind of thing, right?
That this really matters, the rights of minorities in law because those, the left, the far left, China, you can tell the difference, right?
They're never talking.
They just want to grab power, seize power and then the rights of minority factions are not protected.
And so Alex, why don't you just, if you want to comment just a minute on the today's breaking news, I think we just got a couple of minutes left since the cold open was so long, but Alex deGrasse, fire away.
unidentified
Thanks.
alex degrasse
Yeah, I mean, this stuff is huge on Comer.
I mean, this is really one of the greatest conspiracies, of course, and deflection, and obviously the Posse, once again, at the forefront of driving this issue, like redistricting.
Am I coming through or no?
Okay.
dave brat
Yeah, you're good.
alex degrasse
Okay, you know, once again at the forefront of driving this issue into action.
And it's great.
unidentified
I mean, we have to keep up the gas.
The service that we're all doing, working the phones, pushing this forward, I think, could change the fate of the country, especially looking at the midterm game.
So we'll talk more about that.
dave brat
Yeah, and and uh, keep going, Alex.
So you've got you've got two issues now.
You've got the James Comer piece on the Epstein files, and then you've got the Tulsi going to the to the Justice Department as well.
So do you do you see this?
I mean, is it a time where the posse, you know, we never stop, right?
Steve Bannon never stops, but is this a time where we can actually say we've got action taking place here on behalf of the American people for a change.
alex degrasse
Yeah, I mean, I certainly hope this gets across the finish line.
I think it will require sustained action from the posse.
unidentified
I think positive reinforcements and members of Congress, you know, excellent.
dave brat
All right, Alex, right back after the break.
Sorry folks, I was off on the clocks a bit.
Right back.
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dave brat
Back in the war room with Alex de Grasse.
Alex, let's just finish up on the news of the day again.
You know, you are familiar with the polling, you work with several representatives, major leaders in the country.
You got your finger on the pulse of the base in particular.
Why is the base so fired up about transparency and truth telling and these Epstein files and then the prosecution of this conspiracy case?
What is it at this base that makes this such a huge issue right now, at this moment in time?
alex degrasse
Well, I think, like Steve has always said, it speaks to really who runs the country and our concern with the deep state and the powers that be.
And I think, you know, we, I think the posse are amazing, smart people.
We understand that the Democrats are using this to weaponize on the Epstein stuff, which is a total scam.
We know President Trump has nothing to do with any of this stuff.
He knows that, people know that, but, you know, but they've got this lie.
And so if people want to uncover the truth, which I think will greatly damage the Democratic Party based off everyone's basic understanding of who the real players are here involved in basic stuff.
So we welcome any of this transparency and accountability.
I think that, you know, I don't think it's a major, major issue in the top of minds with voters, but the Democrats are certainly attempting to politicize this.
And then our people too are wondering kind of what's going on.
So I think that's important to kind of put that to bed, flip the script, force it on the Democrats and expose them.
Obviously, you know, Russia Gate is one of the biggest scandals in my humble opinion and crimes that we've seen for our Republic and the depths that they've gone.
So I think that's the whole ball game because really everything, and that was when I was young, I mean, working with the lease.
with Elise and right out of college and working when she actually questioned Comey in 2017 and her when she just got on the intelligence committee that actually set in motion.
It's an untold story, really, Steve.
We talk about it where he sort of didn't answer why they didn't alert the big eight on the counterintelligence investigation.
The Trump people started asking questions.
Devin Nunes then jumped into the investigation following that famous March 2017 Comey hearing in front of the intelligence committee, which many posse members that have been following this.
And then, you know, everything is sort of connected to this.
Obviously, the re-election.
I mean, everything stems from, you know, this notion that this lie that President Trump was a Russian agent, which is out of control.
And so I think getting to that really is one of the most pressing issues, because I think it will shatter the modern Democratic Party.
Because when I talk to voters, my Democrat friends, they actually think that Trump was a Russian agent as of like a year ago.
I mean, people are that kind of consumed by that madness that they've been fed by the mainstream media.
And you look, the mainstream media is obviously exposing themselves in broad daylight, trying to cover up desperately in the last 48 hours, all the major networks claiming, you know, there's no evidence, this, that, all this stuff.
I mean, there's a ton of evidence and it will be a huge reckoning for this country.
I hope it leads to reforms on the intelligence committee and the community and no one should have been able to have this type of power to, you know, I mean, I think this was, in my opinion, you know, a vast CIA operation in domestic soil spying on President Trump.
That's what I think, colluding with foreign powers.
I mean, this would be huge, you know, that's my take from looking at the evidence, but and it goes to the top.
dave brat
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
The Tulsi operation Mockingbird, everything NBC news.
We don't know they're in, like you just said, the mainstream media is putting itself out of business here when, when the, when the fire files do come and when the testimony does come, they are sitting on a hot mess, right?
I mean, this morning on the cold open, everyone saw that we don't know what happened.
They're not naming any names.
We don't know any crimes.
You'll notice they never mention the Biden laptop.
They don't mention the Chinese money.
We have the receipts, Scott Perry in Congress had the checks in his hands.
So the receipts are there.
I'm going to get into that with Sam Fattis coming next too.
But why don't you give us a summary recap of redistricting.
I was redistricted, right?
I had my most powerful county, Hanover County, just great, all America.
All American people, the Uniparty works together on this.
Folks at home may not get that what the Uniparty is.
That's when you upset the Republican apple cart.
All political views are my own here.
And you upset the Democrat apple cart.
They work together and they make little side deals.
This is not one of them down in Texas, although there is Uniparty element here, right?
I mean, the Republican, I guess maybe it is, right?
But trying to get all five seats, this is a good Republican move that and the Democrats do this regularly and we're not used to it.
And so, Alex, give us, give us, where we stand lately?
with all these folks up visiting Illinois?
alex degrasse
So, you know, it's interesting about Illinois.
So, it's the most gerrymandered state in the country.
I think I saw Brian Harrison, who's been hammering on the show, I think went on CNN and held up, held up the map that showed that, you know, they've got this long, skinny, they all these crazy seats.
So, you know, they are a scam in heart.
And, you know, the reality is they're at risk because they've already kind of redistributed to a pretty, I mean, sorry, they've already kind of gerrymandered to a high extent.
Of course, they believe they can pick off some seats in California, maybe a few in New York.
But the reality is that we can pick off a lot more.
And so they are not used to it fighting fire with fire, right?
I mean, these are the rules and we're playing hardball.
These are the rules of the game.
Nothing's illegal on any front.
This stuff will get tested.
And, you know, Kathy Hochul, who's the biggest scam on the planet, polling in thirty percent.
And, I mean, she attempted to gerrymandering in New York State twice.
Elise led lawsuits, we defeated her.
And so now they want to change the constitution because they're whining.
But, you know, to try to get a third attempt at gerrymandering.
And so, you know, too bad.
I mean, that's how this works.
I mean, this is political hardball, right?
I mean, this is tough stuff.
And so it's great that we were talking about twelve seats yesterday.
Now we're talking about thirteen with JD Vance, Vice President of Vance, maybe going to Indiana is the latest news.
They're looking at a second seat in Indiana.
So I'm not sure the latest on that front, but now we're talking about 13.
I think there are other possibilities being discussed.
And of course, this is escalation, but they're the ones that escalated this, David.
I mean, this is the joke, right?
We've been fighting we've been the ones fighting with one hand behind our back and now we're seeing Patriots drive the ship and fight back with fire for fire.
And, you know, too bad for them.
unidentified
But we've got to see this through.
dave brat
Yeah, I agree.
100% and the Republicans.
I beat someone in leadership And you know, people are kinda friendly up there, but then things don't go.
You don't get put on committees.
You don't get any money for your reelection if you don't vote 100% with leadership up there.
And now President Trump has come in with MAGA and broken the mold, right?
And so he's a fighter, and so now you got some of the Republicans joining the fight and not getting rolled.
We used to be Cub Scouts and have white papers on everything, but we never fought.
We lost on everything.
And today we're finally seeing some of these receipts.
And so what put on your statistician hat.
How are we looking for 2026?
Because that's going to be key in the House and the Senate.
With the moves you see going on right now on redistricting, what's your conservative bet?
alex degrasse
Well, I think it's going to be really tight.
It's always very tight in the House.
I mean, I think the issues are on our side if Republicans continue to focus on affordability, the border, you know, foreign policy wins and peace across the world as well as trade and rebirth of manufacturing.
I mean, really no one over the last six months for any president has been able to deliver the type of transformational change that not just President Trump, who gets to who deserves the credit, but, you know, Republicans in Congress, let's give them some credit.
I mean, they've muscled some of this stuff through and I think they need to not be shy and sort of lean in and sort of take the message home and sort of amplify this because I think the Democrats will come with a type of sophistication and viciousness that we've not seen before.
I mean, we cannot count them out.
They are vicious people with, they will have, I mean, they'll have billions and billions and billions of dollars that they will spend in ways that we won't even be able to comprehend with dark money and nonprofits and super PACs and the Sorrow stuff.
And I mean, we already I think some of the Republicans were standing outside the DCCC and I think it was in the news, but I think we watched their PowerPoint presentation.
I don't know why they never set the blinds.
It's on the first floor.
They're really stupid people over there, the Democrats.
And, you know, they're walking through with this, you know, they've got this influencer plan.
They've got all this money.
So there's going to be a record amount of misinformation that because they can't win on the issues.
So I think things will be tight.
If we pick up seats, that's great.
I'm not nervous.
People say, oh, they're doing this because they're losing on the issues.
That's what the Democrats are like.
No, I think we're great on the issues, but why wouldn't we do what they've done for years, net what we can, put us in the best position, maybe pick up seats?
I mean, that would be against the norm, of course.
You've only seen in the last hundred years, twice, after an incumbent midterm, you know, party in power that pick up, pick up seats.
But hey, anything's possible with president with President Trump.
We're not raising them like two or three to one across the board.
We've got grassroots.
We just have to kind of keep it going.
I think a big difference between now and 2018 is, you know, we had we held a lot of seats in 2018 that that Hillary Clinton had won that we were defending in the House.
And now it's quite the opposite.
I think we're only defending three seats that Kamala Harris won that are that are held by a Republican.
And there may be thirteen or so that are the opposite, right?
Where a Democrat holds that President Trump did better than the previous House candidate.
And so, you know, if we could focus on those key seats and I've been working with the posse, I think they're going to have a report out soon that goes through those seats, goes through the targets.
And of course, things will shift with the lines, but it's going to be a knife fight of knife fights.
And we've talked about this.
And I've been coming on this show for years in cycles where it's like the house, the house, the house.
Now this is the ball game.
And if we hold the house in any extent, we keep this moving.
If we lose it, everything is done.
dave brat
Yep, Alex deGrasse, thank you so much for all you do for the country, for coming on the war room this morning.
How do people follow you across the board?
Give us all your social media.
unidentified
Thanks.
alex degrasse
I'm at deGrasse 81 on X. I'm at Get her truth, the whole thing.
Thank you, Dave.
Thank you, everyone to the posse.
Let's just, you know, stay locked in on this redistricting on.
on, you know, the investigations in the house.
And so we'll keep this going.
Thank you.
dave brat
Yep, you bet, Alex.
Thanks for being with us.
All you friends down in Texas, I get down there quite a bit.
Visiting Dallas, Houston, friends all over that great state, all Americans, Trump by 14 percent.
And yet we're having this crazy corruption with the Uniparty down in Texas.
And so get on the hotlines, call your representatives, state senators, everybody.
Show them you mean business.
And we'll be back with more on this issue.
But first, we got Sam Fattis on the CIA corruption as well.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
dave brat
Okay, back in the war room.
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So I highly recommend that to everyone.
And I also just want to remind everyone on this economy, right?
President Trump's hitting on all cylinders, right?
You couldn't do a better job redefining the whole geopolitical landscape, achieving fairness, bringing manufacturing back to America, right?
eight trillion dollars foreign commitments, two trillion American firm commitments, ten trillion dollars in CapEx coming our way.
But that's going to take some time.
And don't lose track of the fact this is still in many respects Biden's economy.
That two trillion dollar deficit we have is a major problem still, it's ongoing because everyone knows if you loop two trillion dollars off a 28 trillion dollar economy, that's a major hit.
And you'll be in a recession.
So the solution is fairly simple.
It's very hard to do.
But it has to do with the Federal Reserve, of course.
And our friends at Birch Gold know this kind of thing.
If we promise and the Congress, this takes some leadership to cut some spending out of that two trillion dollar deficit, and then you make a deal with the Federal Reserve to lower the interest rates based on that cut, it's a new day for business, business will pop like you've never seen it, right?
We're all waiting for too late, too late.
Powell, as Trump says, and he boy, is he right on that one right now?
And so the Fed, I hope they wake up and give a significant cut that goes in tandem with cutting spending.
And if you take the money away from the federal government and put it in the private sector, boom, there goes the productivity we need.
But there's two trillion dollars in funny money sitting there that we need to fix soon.
And I don't see Congress or the Senate showing any sign because they're scared stiff to make those cuts.
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He was referenced by Judy Shelton, the superstar the other day for his innovations down with gold as a currency in Texas and Florida.
They passed both states, so huge moves.
So now we've got a little cold open we're going to go to.
And then we got Sam Fattis coming up with a CIA conspiracy breaking news as well.
willie geist
Attorney General Pam Bondi has directed Justice Department prosecutors to launch a grand jury investigation into whether officials in the Obama administration committed federal crimes when they assessed Russia's actions during the 2016 election.
That's according to a senior Trump administration official.
The move comes after National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard claimed last month top Obama administration officials carried out a, quote, treasonist conspiracy against Donald Trump.
She did not offer evidence of that.
Gabbard said she is sending criminal referrals to the Justice Department.
david rohde
We don't know what the crimes are that are alleged here.
We don't know who is being targeted and we don't know where this grand jury will sit.
And all of that's, you know, very concerning.
Normally in the, you know, prosecution process in this country.
No one is indicted, no investigation is announced or anyone is indicted before a grand jury has heard evidence and a fellow citizen decides this other citizen should be charged with a crime.
Here we have an approach where there's sort of a, you know, the Director of National Intelligence makes a sweeping allegation, potentially that the former President of the United States was involved in a treasonist plot, and then you have the Attorney General announcing that she is launching a criminal investigation of this plot.
But again, we don't know the charges.
We don't know where they're going to investigate or who it's going to be.
joe scarborough
But the one thing we do know, Jonathan Lameer, is this is extraordinarily stupid.
It's extraordinarily stupid on so many counts.
If you look at the timeline.
doesn't add up.
It's like when Donald Trump is saying that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton created the Epstein files.
No, no, no, no.
That all happened during Donald Trump's first term.
You look at the timeline here about what happened and when it happened.
Barack Obama had nothing to do with this by anybody's accounts, and especially by the Senate Republican intelligence committee run by Marco Rubio, who afterwards said that it was Donald Trump's 2016 campaign that created a, quote, grave counterintelligence threat to the United States of America.
That was Marco Rubio, the current Secretary of State.
That was every Republican on the Senate Intel Committee after pouring through all of the documents.
That's what they found.
And when poor John Durham was made to sacrifice his professional career to go around the world investigating the investigators, he found nothing and ended up making a fool of himself.
I mean, we even found out that the two documents that supposedly, you know, fed into the Clinton conspiracy that she was the one pushing this actually was Russian disinformation.
unidentified
So.
joe scarborough
So again, they know in the Justice Department that this is all BS.
What's going on here?
unidentified
Well, first of all, Joe, I think this is a desperate attempt to distract.
willie geist
This is playing politics.
unidentified
This is reviving old conspiracy theories.
willie geist
Yes, reviving old conspiracy theories.
unidentified
To talk about this, the timing here is illuminating.
This, of course, comes back to the headlines.
dave brat
All right.
I think you get the point.
It's enough to make you pull your hair out.
It's too much to take.
The misdirection has all been from the left.
That's why they're all being subpoenaed as of.
last week and breaking news today, uh, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
And so we have, uh, one of the best experts on the CIA, Sam Fattis with us right now.
And I just wanted him to react.
But, you know, we all get upset.
Uh, you get emotional.
We, uh, the war room and the, the base gets, you know, just totally frustrated.
Now the goods are coming in.
And so it's time to take action on our part too.
And so I asked Sam to come on and maybe highlight, you know, what are two or three of the major receipts?
They say there's nothing there in the war room., we need to have just two or three receipts that we can just go to, just our go to talking points for our neighbors, our friends, the church group, write an op-ed in the paper.
And so Sam, how do you react to that clip?
And what would you encourage the war room to do to take action on this because this is the biggest conspiracy in American history that I know of.
I can't think of anything greater coming from potentially two presidents of the United States on down through all the intelligence agencies.
Our institutions have been shattered.
And so Sam, take it from there.
Thanks for being with us.
sam faddis
Well, thanks for having me.
I'm smiling and laughing on my end, not because there's anything funny about this, but because, you know, as a CIA guy, I got used to being lied to.
But what always drives me crazy is when people tell me stupid lies.
And listening to Scarborough, I'm like, for the love of God, buddy, did they surgically remove your integrity?
What's happening here?
Yeah.
Let's grab three things.
I mean, there's a lot of them.
One, and I get it that people, this has been going on for so many years and there's so much disinformation, it's hard to sort out.
So three things.
First of all, the whole Russia gate.
nonsense, the whole is was a lie, was a deliberate lie from the beginning.
The whole idea that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump were in bed together and the Russians were supporting him and all that was a lie.
So it was not, this is not a question of negligence, incompetence, somebody wasn't doing their job just right, they believed questionable information.
A dossier was created by a guy who was hired indirectly, but hired by Hillary Clinton's campaign via her law firm.
So Hillary Clinton commissioned a completely bogus dossier investigation, let's use that term very broadly, to create a complete fiction.
This is trash.
It always was trash.
In the normal course of business, the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI would have never looked at this, would have never given it credence.
The sourcing was non-existent and the obvious motivation, the political motivation just reeked of this.
So nobody unintentionally, through negligence, through bad practice, ran with this.
It was deliberate.
It was a conspiracy from day one for the specific purpose of throwing, impacting a presidential election.
Second, laptop.
dave brat
Yeah, and first, hey Sam, on that one.
sam faddis
Yes, sir.
dave brat
On that first point, just let us know, because we're not experts in the CIA and this analysis and all these processes they use.
How far down did this go?
Was this just a few people at the top of the CIA, you know, that kind of by analogy the FBI and whoever else, the intelligence agencies, or did this go, was there awareness going down the ranks a bit?
sam faddis
Well, it had to be awareness going down the ranks a bit.
What's the exact number?
I don't know.
Does that mean the entire organization was in on it?
Not what I'm saying.
But you're not going to find that two people at the top did all this all by themselves.
That's not that's not the way this that's not the way this functioned and that will I think be to the benefit of the whole organization.
of people like Tulsi Gabbard and now the DOJ because what you'll find is that there are, I don't know, a couple of dozen folks anyway who were on the inside of this and some of them will now realize what they were on the inside of and it'll be time to jump ship, right, which is what you need to prosecute this.
The second thing I would say, you know, in terms of receipts, the laptop.
This entire supposed controversy is the thing real or not.
Again, there was never any controversy.
I looked at the thing very, very early on at Steve's request.
was apparent to me within five minutes the thing was legit.
And there are a million reasons for that, but it would have been impossible to fabricate and have it stand up to scrutiny.
But we also know the Bureau contacted Apple almost immediately and confirmed the laptop was Hunter's.
And they also confirmed that it was being backed up to the cloud, as is normal.
And therefore, they confirmed that the contents.
were legit.
So they weren't confirming just that the hardware as originally sold was sold to Hunter.
They confirmed that, yeah, that's every everything on there is what he has been backing up, obviously automatically, for however long he'd had the laptop.
So again, there was never the entire idea that there was a question about this, that the Russians had created it, was again a fabrication, whole cloth.
And all the people at the top conducting the investigation or looking at this knew that.
So again, a complete, absolute lie.
They knew there was never any question.
The laptop is real.
Third thing I would highlight just to create a.
dave brat
Hey Sam, let me, let me, Let me hold right there.
We have thirty seconds to break.
Sam Fattis, two down, one to go, right?
The Steel dossier, Hillary campaign goes through our intelligence agency.
Second, the laptop, absolutely 100% confirmed evidence.
So, you know, NBC, MSNBC, if you're watching, there's two receipts, the third one to come with the great Sam Fattis.
Stay tuned to the war room and we're going to cover it all today.
Breaking news, huge.
Stay tuned to the war room.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bat.
dave brat
All right, Dave Bratt back in the war room with the great Sam Fatt is CIA operative analyst.
Very lucky to have people of this caliber with us in the war room along with the Oxford Don Stephen K. Bannon, who's a master across all these areas as well.
And so put these to memory folks, Sam just laid out the first two big points.
The third, Pam Bondi yesterday directed the Justice Department to grand jury investigations of the Obama administration.
Brennan Clapper Comey put that to memory.
Write articles on this stuff.
The average person still is not aware of any of this, unfortunately.
This is a fairly sophisticated high level analysis that the war room posse gets, but most people don't.
And so it doesn't do any good to go yell at everyone.
Just explain these facts, share them in a factual way.
And so Sam, you led us through the first two big receipts that we have, the Steel dossier, and then secondly, the laptop, the Biden laptop that goes along with the money to the big man.
And what's the third receipt the folks in the war room can share with friends and neighbors?
sam faddis
So look, I looked at this the laptop very early on, given unfettered access to it.
I had a copy of the hard drive for a very long time and and spent way more time than I would have liked going through it.
What do you learn when you look at the laptop?
Hunter can't find his trousers on a good day.
Hunter eats Viagra like peanuts and he snorts Coke by kilo.
But more to the point, what do you see?
You see that the Biden crime family was taking millions and millions of dollars from pretty much every thug on the planet.
But beyond everything, above everything, they took more money from the Chinese than anybody else.
And not just from the Chinese, from individuals who were Chinese intelligence officers, Chinese spies.
Best estimate I've seen, $31 million.
Okay, spies don't give you money because they like you, and they don't give you money because they hope you might think kindly of them.
It is a hard business.
When you take tens of millions of dollars from Chinese intelligence officers, obviously something is coming back the other way.
So back to the issue of the laptop and covering it up.
American counterintelligence and intelligence officers see this laptop.
They know it is real almost immediately and they can see all that same data, which means we had a guy at that point running for president of the United States compromised by, owned by Chinese intelligence potentially.
And their decision was not to turn on the red lights, sound the siren.
and you know, and immediately dive into this.
It was to cover the whole thing up and tell the American people nothing to see here.
here greatest counter intelligence threat potentially in our history and they just walked on and buried the thing.
dave brat
Yep, point three Sam.
sam faddis
So point three is American counter intelligence decided to bury the fact that we were looking at a real Manchurian candidate and Joe Biden.
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
dave brat
Unbelievable.
Now, you know, the war room, we get depressed with this kind of news.
Are our institutions recoverable?
And what, you know, in a minute or so, how do we recover trust in these institutions?
What would you recommend?
What do we need?
sam faddis
We need accountability, which is what everybody in MAGA asks for all day, every day, right?
You can't charge John Brennan with perjury, which, you know, a, a, a misdemeanor charge give him a traffic ticket.
People have to be charged, tried, convicted, go to prison for felony level offenses.
We need to this this was an ongoing conspiracy and an attempted coup and it has to be dealt with as such.
dave brat
Yep, outstanding.
Sam, how do people follow you and get the points you just made, stuff, receipts we can share with each other, with the press, et cetera?
sam faddis
Go to AND magazine on substack, AND magazine dot substack dot com and look, you can search there and you can see that we've been writing about all of these issues for several years now.
So, and everything we write has references embedded links.
I'm not asking you to take it on faith.
Do your own research.
Follow it up.
dave brat
Right, right.
Very good.
Thank you.
Thank you, Sam, for being with us and for your life's work and for what you're doing with the war room.
God bless you.
All right, now we're turning over to Texas redistricting.
We have chaplain Rich Stoglin with us.
We're going to do a cold open with the pastor and then we'll get to him.
ed lavandera
Texas House is expected to come back about 1 o'clock Central time, 2 o'clock Eastern time.
When they gabbled in yesterday, that's when it was official that the Democrats had broken the quorum here by fleeing the state.
We expect that to continue today.
We are about halfway through this 30-day special legislative session, about two weeks left in it, so they would have to stay away to at least kill the redistricting bill during this session.
But a reminder that the governor here in Texas can simply call another special session, put the redistricting bill back on that schedule, and that all of this would start all over again.
That's why there's so many questions swirling around whether or not, and how long willing the Democrats are willing to stay away from the state to block this measure.
But what is interesting, as you talk about there in the lead-in, that one of the things that we heard from Democrats over and over in the days leading up to them leaving the state is that what they hoped would happen is that this would ratchet up pressure, intensify pressure on other states and spread the word about what is happening here in Texas and that other states, Democratic states would follow suit.
And that was one of the things that several Democrats had told us leading up to yesterday's quorum break, that they had hoped to see that that would be one of their goals in leaving the state and trying to...
dave brat
We got chaplain Rich Stogland with us.
Rich, we got a minute on this side of the break.
break and so give us your initial reaction.
What's the latest news breaking and what are you guys doing down there in Texas?
chaplain rich stoglin
The great state of Texas deserves redistricting the districts, the precincts, the districts, all of these districts that these people claim that they care so much about.
They're horrible.
They're terrible and we gotta make changes.
Time is now.
dave brat
Very good.
Hey, Chaplin, we're going to go to Representative Harrison as well with you after the break.
How do people get you in twenty seconds?
unidentified
Rick Snoglin at yahoo dot com dot All right, very good.
dave brat
Look up the chaplain.
We're going to be right back with the chaplain and then Representative Harrison from Texas to bring us up to date.
This is crucially important for the Trump agenda, for Trump policy to take place.
So stay with the war room.
Texas should be a no brainer, right?
Trump wins it by 14% and we're having problems in Texas.
No good.
Stay tuned.
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