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Aug. 2, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4677: Clearing The Corruption Out Of The MAGA Administration
Participants
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cleo paskal
06:21
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donald j trump
admin 05:35
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mike lee
sen/r 07:50
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steve bannon
r 17:34
Appearances
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ed elson
01:18
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ej antoni
03:25
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henrietta treyz
00:55
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kimberlyn king-hinds
rep/r 01:14
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mike lindell
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natalie winters
04:21
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erielle reshef
msnbc 00:13
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
For the weekend, he's going to go out to the south lawn.
steve bannon
I think they're going to take Marine One, and then they're going to leave and go to Andrews Air Force Base.
We're going to cover it all as soon as it becomes around, as soon as it manifests itself for right now.
unidentified
Do we have a cold open?
steve bannon
We have Senator Lee.
That's even better.
unidentified
We don't need a cold open.
steve bannon
We got Senator Mike Lee.
Senator Lee, thank you so much for joining us here in the war room.
unidentified
Have you made progress?
steve bannon
Your name came up about a hundred times in the morning show, people talking about the recess appointments or a new package that's getting sent up.
unidentified
Can you give us an update, sir?
Yeah, biggest development since we last spoke was that President Trump put out an excellent statement on True Social last night in which he explicitly called for the Senate to not recess until we've cleared the backlog, until we've gotten through the entire executive calendar.
mike lee
This is what needs to happen.
unidentified
And here's the point, Steve.
mike lee
We've got massive bargaining power here.
unidentified
We've got Democratic senators who do not want to be here.
They want to leave town.
They want to get out of Dodge.
As long as that's the case, and as long as we've got this unique circumstance where we've got a Republican president, a Republican Senate, and a Republican House, this ship doesn't pass our way all that often.
And we need to take advantage of it when it does happen.
And we need to make sure that we don't disempower the Republican president, Donald J. Trump, after the American people have resoundingly elected him by failing to confirm his nominees.
Because, of course, that defaults back to the deep state regulatory bureaucrats, and they lean overwhelmingly left.
And so we got to get it done.
mike lee
We can do it.
unidentified
We can keep them here.
And in the very worst case scenario, if for some reason the Senate ends up taking a recess, which it shouldn't do, it should stay here and clear through all of them.
But at a bare minimum, we should make sure that any recess we take is a real recess.
None of these pro forma sessions that are designed simply to block the President of the United States from making recess appointments as he's authorized to do under the Constitution.
Now, I understand he put on there, they've taken them in blocks.
As Thun worked out something with Schumer, that you guys are at least going to stay around tonight and maybe over the weekend and move a block, try to move a block of these.
Has there been any overall plan to really address your target of 150, the backlog?
Or are we just doing this incrementally right now?
mike lee
Well, it's incrementally.
It's not uncommon whether we're dealing with setting up votes on amendments for legislation or votes on presidential nominees.
It's not uncommon for us to stack groups of votes together.
So there have been some blocks that get cleared by both parties and they get moved onto the Senate floor.
But the fact that we've got a block that we're about to launch into right now doesn't mean that that's the end of it.
In fact, that's just the beginning of it.
unidentified
There was a tweet out that Thune is sitting down with Schumer and there's some sort of negotiation going on.
Do you have any idea what that's about?
Yeah, they're talking through what might be acceptable to each party.
You know, you've got three principal players here.
You've got the Senate Republicans, you've got the Senate Democrats, and you have President Trump and the White House.
So they're just trying to figure out what might be acceptable to whom.
mike lee
Now, the Democrats understand that their bargaining power is not immense.
unidentified
And for that reason, they're negotiating and they're approving some of these nominations to be confirmed.
But my goal is to make sure that we stay here as long as it takes to get through all of them.
There's no reason why we should make it this easy for them.
We haven't even begun the stage at which we could start moving a lot faster, in part because we're still dealing with some appropriations bills on the Milcon VA appropriate vehicle that we're addressing right now.
But as soon as that's behind us, we should be in a better position to stack more and more presidential nomination votes and have them addressed one right after the other in the Senate.
mike lee
Meanwhile, John Thune is the Senate majority leader, is continuing to file cloture on more and more nominations.
I would love to see him file cloture on every one of the 150 or so now pending on the executive calendar so that we can show that we're serious and we can open the door toward getting all of these people confirmed.
unidentified
Just talk about the landscape and the reason you either have to me, it's pretty obvious.
steve bannon
You have to do either Mike Lee's plan and clean the schedule, clean it up now, this backlog up now, before you go into recess, or do the real recess, not pro forma, where you actually do recital appointments.
unidentified
Correct me if I'm wrong.
steve bannon
When you guys get back after Labor Day, it looks to me that September 30th, you have massive budget.
unidentified
You have appropriations.
You've got whether it's going to be a CR, whether it's going to be a minibus.
There's talks of an omnibus.
steve bannon
Those days in September are going to be totally overwhelmed with trying to get the government funded for fiscal year 2026, is it not?
unidentified
Yeah, that's exactly right.
We'll be dealing with trying to keep the government funded for 2026.
I think there are only something like between 10 and 12 legislative days scheduled for us to be in session in September.
And with that, we've got to get the government funded.
And then after that's done, presumably we'll be moving on to the Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA.
And so, look, we do have a legislative agenda.
And if we don't get the executive calendar, meaning presidential nominations out of the way now, then we're going to end up with another backlog.
And that backlog is in turn going to impair our ability to fulfill the legislative part of the agenda.
mike lee
That's why this has to be done now.
unidentified
This doesn't get easier, Steve.
mike lee
It just gets harder.
unidentified
And so that's why I ask all within the sound of my voice, if you agreed that we ought to get these cleared, that President Trump ought to have the benefit of his own nominees being in office.
And if you don't want the Senate just punting on this issue, reach out to your senators, especially if they're Republicans, and say, clear the backlog.
Clear it.
Clear it before you take any recess in August.
mike lee
President Trump and those who elected him deserve nothing less.
unidentified
By the way, we've been, our team, the Warren Potter's been working on the phones all day.
Tell me, Tupperville.
Senator Tuberville was on this morning.
He said he had a meeting yesterday.
steve bannon
He says he was shocked by some of the senators' kind of lack of understanding of particularly going into taking it off of pro forma, going to a real recess.
unidentified
They brought the things yesterday you said, and you said Senator Lee had to correct him with that.
People wouldn't get paid.
It couldn't be done.
There was only a rudimentary understanding.
They said you did a great job of answering the questions.
I think it was kind of shocking that we could be 24 hours before August 1st, the day before, late July, and senators not know the basic fundamentals of what the tools they have available.
Have you now, do you personally feel comfortable that you've gotten the word out to everybody about the constitutionality, the federal regulations, and the people are up to speed on what's available for them to actually act upon?
mike lee
For the most part, yes, we've made a significant amount of progress in the last few days on that front, at least with Republican senators.
unidentified
Although I'm shocked, Steve, still at the number of questions that continue to come up constantly, where just as I think it's been clarified, somebody will come up and say, wait a minute, I thought we couldn't pay them if President Trump recess appointed them.
mike lee
And then I walked them through the statute, 5 USC 5503A, and I explained the reasons why we can pay them, why there's historical precedent for us paying them.
unidentified
There's no statutory prohibition against us paying them.
And then I'll get another question about, wait a minute, why couldn't the president make recess appointments if we're holding pro formas?
And I have to walk through that.
Is sort of what happens, the legislative muscle, as I like to put it, the legislative muscle starts to atrophy with non-use, just as actual muscle does if you don't use it.
And so because we have been asleep at the wheel as a Senate for so long, and we don't talk about these things as we should, we've just been reflexively holding pro forma sessions for more than a decade.
And as a result of that, people have forgotten how those muscles work.
It's time to put them back into action because, Steve, the stakes are simply too high right now.
mike lee
We have seen what happens when this deep state bastards take control of our government, and it's not pretty.
unidentified
They will do it again.
They're trying to do it again right now, and we cannot let that happen.
Senator Lee, make us smart.
What should we look for overnight to see if there's any breakthrough on your plan or your alternative plan of going on recess?
steve bannon
We're going to be live tomorrow morning.
unidentified
We'd love to have you on if you're still in town, right?
So can you just make us smart what you anticipate we should look for in the next 24 hours?
Okay, look number one for additional rounds, additional tranches of votes that will be agreed to for consideration on the executive calendar, tranches or clumpings of presidential nominees that will be moving forward to vote for.
Look also on the other end of the spectrum for any discussions, the possibility of an adjournment resolution that does not contain any provision for pro forma sessions.
Either one of those things will trigger that we're resolving this in one direction or the other.
mike lee
Again, I would still prefer that we do this the right way, that we actually confirm them rather than just leaving and allowing the president to recess appoint them.
unidentified
If we have to recess for some reason, then that's better than nothing to have it that way.
mike lee
But it is much better for us to confirm them because we still have to address it.
unidentified
The Piper still has to be paid if they're recess appointed.
Those recess appointments last only until the end of 2026.
So we'll still have to get to them at some point anyway.
We might as well get them done now.
But like I say, it's nice to have the recess appointment option available to us should that become necessary.
Senator Lee, your social media, both your official and your personal, sir?
Yep.
At send Mike Lee is the official side.
And then I've got a separate account that's at based Mike Lee.
Based Mike Lee, I talk about this ad nauseum at great length.
I've been talking about recess appointments.
I've been talking about the need to clear the backlog on the executive calendar so that we don't leave President Trump in a lurch and subject yet again to the ravages of the deep state.
We've made tremendous progress on this, sir, because of your leadership.
steve bannon
I'm telling you, everybody looks to you on this topic.
unidentified
So thank you very much.
And thank you.
I know the President and everybody over there appreciates all the hard work you're doing in the Senate.
So thank you.
Thank you.
Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
Board Rimposse, we've still got some work to do here.
steve bannon
Got some work to do in Texas.
unidentified
Brian Harrison will be here later to join us.
steve bannon
Let's go ahead and play.
unidentified
Would you have E.J. up?
Can we play?
Okay.
Okay.
Let's go ahead and go to the gaggle.
Let's go.
President Trump is having a gaggle.
Just had a gaggle with the press, the media.
Let's go and do it.
We're going to have some meetings and we'll see what happens.
Oh, yeah.
Look at the jobs report today were rigged.
donald j trump
Oh, yeah, I think so.
And if you look at before the election, the same kind of thing happened.
unidentified
And I think you'll see some very interesting information come out.
We got rid of you have to have honest reports and when you look at those numbers or when you look at just before the election and then after the election they corrected it by eight or nine hundred thousand jobs.
Yeah, I would say we have a great relationship.
donald j trump
So it's false and when do you have it?
unidentified
Yeah, we have a great relationship with South Korea.
But you said are you ready?
Are you open to negotiate with you?
Your Brazilian president Lula said you'd like to call you he requests a conversation who you call to be now.
donald j trump
He can talk to me anytime he wants.
unidentified
So are you open to terrifying?
Yeah, he can talk to me anytime he wants.
What is on the table for Brazil?
Well we'll see what happens.
But I love the people of Brazil.
What are you doing?
Why you try to do two?
I love the people of Brazil.
So why the terrorists are late at the present time?
donald j trump
Because the people running Brazil did the wrong thing.
unidentified
What evidence was right?
Seven years.
Seven years from the time that you learned that people were being stolen from Mar-a-Lago to the time that she picked up that she took on a different Epstein.
Yeah, I don't understand your question.
Where are the submarines being deployed?
The nuclear farm.
Say it?
We're being deployed.
Nuclear submarines.
Oh, yeah.
Well, we had to do that.
We just have to be careful.
And a threat was made, and we didn't think it was appropriate, so I have to be very careful.
donald j trump
So I do that on the basis of safety for our people.
The threat was made by a former president of Russia, and we're going to protect our people.
unidentified
President Trump, will Hillary Clinton finally be investigated for election fraud?
donald j trump
I hope so.
unidentified
I hope so.
donald j trump
I don't know whether or not that'll happen, but I hope so.
unidentified
President, why don't you fire the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics?
donald j trump
Because I think her numbers were wrong.
unidentified
Just like I thought her numbers were wrong before the election.
donald j trump
Days before the election, she came out with these beautiful numbers for Kamala.
unidentified
I guess Biden/slash Kamala.
And she came out with these beautiful numbers trying to get somebody else elected.
Then right after the election, I think on the 15th, November 15th, she had an $800,000 or $900,000 massive reduction.
Said she made a mistake.
No, that woman, that woman's numbers.
Do you have any evidence for sure?
Tech Governor People are going to resign.
donald j trump
Yeah, one of the governors, as you know, of the Federal Reserve has just announced she's resigning.
I understand it was over the fact that she disagreed with somebody from her party.
unidentified
She disagreed with Too Late.
You know who Too Late is?
She disagreed with Too Late on the interest rate.
So we'll see what happens.
But we just found out that I have an open spot on the Federal Reserve Board.
I'm very happy about that, John.
Well, you just have to read what he said.
He was talking about nuclear.
When you talk about nuclear, we have to be prepared.
And we're totally prepared.
Mr. President, you said on the monthly draft report, going forward, why should anyone trust the numbers?
Well, that's the same thing.
You're right.
donald j trump
No, you're right.
unidentified
Why should anybody trust numbers?
You go back to election, election day.
Look what happened two or three days before with massive, wonderful job numbers trying to get him elected or her elected, trying to get whoever the hell was running.
Because you go back and they came out with numbers that were very favorable to Kamala, okay?
donald j trump
To trying to get him elected, trying to get her elected.
unidentified
And then on the 15th of November or thereabouts, they had an 800,000 or 900,000 overstatement reduction right after the election.
It didn't work because you know who won, John?
I won.
Here's the thing.
Your supporters have had issues with these numbers.
But today's, we're doing so well.
I believe the numbers were phony just like they were before the election.
And there were other times.
So you know what I did?
donald j trump
I fired her.
unidentified
And you know what?
I did the right thing.
Any government official, if any government official going forward is presenting data or information you don't like, should they fear for their job?
donald j trump
I've always had a problem with these numbers.
unidentified
You know, I was thinking about it this morning.
Before the numbers that came out, I said, who is the person that does these numbers?
And then they gave me stats about before the election, I had a similar problem.
I mean, she gave out numbers that were so good for the Democrats.
It was like unbelievable.
And then right after the election, she corrected those numbers with, I think, almost 900,000 corrections.
I think nobody had ever seen anything like it.
Well, today she did the same thing with the 253,000, whatever the number was.
No, no.
donald j trump
We need people that we can trust.
unidentified
I mean, your question is a very good one.
donald j trump
We need people we can trust.
unidentified
I've got about three very good.
I have a lot of good candidates.
I will say everybody wants it.
I've had more phone calls, but I have three people that are.
So do you have a background in labor state?
donald j trump
You know, I could do a long-term thing or I could do a temporary.
unidentified
It's a 14-year term.
Right.
But do you put someone in who actually has labor statistics experience?
I put somebody in who's going to be honest.
That's all we want.
I have a choice.
I can have four months.
I could do a short-term or I could do a 14-year deal.
So we'll see.
We have a lot of people.
We've got a lot of good people around.
Can I ask you a construction question, Kirlen?
That was a stock deficit rate with Switzerland.
It was pretty higher than other European countries.
Well, the problem with Switzerland, we have a $40 billion deficit with Switzerland.
And I spoke yesterday to Switzerland, but we have a $40 billion deficit with Switzerland.
That's a big deficit.
Question on the construction.
Can I ask you a question on the construction?
You say you're raising $200 million.
You're donating a bunch.
On this very well.
Are you blocking foreigners from donating money to build that edition?
Honestly, I never even thought of it, but it doesn't matter.
I'm putting up my money, but it doesn't even matter.
They've wanted a ballroom at the White House, and it's been very popular.
You know, when we put it out yesterday.
I'm not looking for that.
You know, you have very strong restrictions as to who can donate, and we go by the restrictions.
I mean, it's not that much money.
It's funny, but it's a lot of fun for the doctors.
Yeah, I'll do that.
I didn't even start yet, by the way.
But when I do, I'll release it.
How many donors do you think it's going to take to get the 200 million?
donald j trump
Maybe one, me.
unidentified
You would cut that check yourself.
I would, yeah.
Did you talk to Steve Wickham today about his journey to Gaza?
Did you talk to Steve Woodhouse?
I did.
donald j trump
I spoke to Steve Woodcock.
unidentified
He had a great meeting with a lot of people, and the primary meeting was on food.
And he also had some other conversations that I'll tell you about later.
donald j trump
But he had a meeting on getting the people fed.
unidentified
And that's what we want.
And I'll see you later on.
Well, I understand India no longer is going to be buying oil from Russia.
That's what I heard.
I don't know if that's right or not, but that's a good step.
We'll see what happens.
Okay, on Paris, obviously the Treasury is taking in so much ready right now.
Some Republicans have been pushing for a tariff check to go out.
The basic idea is to move the money back.
There are a lot of people that would like to see us do sort of a dividend to the people of our country.
It's something I'd consider.
How much would they do?
I'd also want to pay off debt, but there's a possibility I do a dividend.
I know, sorry, Trinity.
On tariffs, obviously, there's that unbelievable right there is the press gaggle of the president going out to Marine One, out to Marine One, to Air Force One, at Andrews Air Force Base, and then up to Bedminster.
Bedminster is his New Jersey summer home.
Absolutely magnificent, an incredible golf course and country club there that he's put a lot of money into to refurbish and just made top the line.
And he really enjoys himself there.
Although this weekend, I hope it clears up.
It's not the rainy, muggy summer we've had so far.
Okay, so a lot of news there.
I mean, this is a great thing about these press gaggles, these availabilities.
steve bannon
I mean, who does that?
Did Obama ever do that?
No.
unidentified
Did George Bush ever do that?
No.
Did Biden ever do that?
Forget about it.
That's so ridiculous.
steve bannon
Can't even contemplate an answer.
unidentified
Look at President Trump on every topic, just off the top of his head, understands and knows when to pull it back and say, hey, I'll give you some information on that later.
The situation in Gaza.
Okay.
About half the questions about the termination of the Bureau of Labor Statistics head about screwed up numbers.
steve bannon
Where did we hear that before?
unidentified
I don't know.
In the war room every month for the last four years from a guy named E.J. Antonio.
Let's go and play a cold open for E.J., who's going to join us briefly.
steve bannon
Let's go ahead and let it rip.
Complained about it.
unidentified
And that is the Bureau of Labor Statistics and whether we get accurate numbers.
Now, everybody's talking about the number here.
It's a quarter of a million jobs.
They're like on the downside.
It turns out we didn't get, and now it's a restatement.
What in the hell is going on there?
steve bannon
And have we put in our own person into BLS?
unidentified
Is a MAGA Republican that President Trump knows and trusts?
steve bannon
Are they running the Bureau of Labor Statistics yet, sir?
unidentified
No, unfortunately, Steve, we still haven't gotten there.
And I think that's part of the reason why we continue to have all of these different data problems.
ej antoni
You know, the guy we had previously, Bill Beach, is actually a great guy, brilliant statistician.
unidentified
And he recognized some of the problems that we had in the data.
He was taking steps to fix that.
But unfortunately, he was removed by the Biden administration.
ej antoni
He's not there anymore.
unidentified
And he's been replaced by someone who, frankly, I think is incompetent.
And that shows with the fact that the problems in the statistics that first became evident all the way back in the spring of 2022, those problems are still there.
And if we can go to the first chart here, I think really helps illustrate that, where essentially what you can see is the fact that the disparity between the number of people who are saying they have a job, who are employed, that's in brown there, versus the line in gray is the number of non-farm payrolls we have.
As you can see, before the pandemic, they tracked very, very well together.
But since then, they've really started to spread apart.
And that problem has never actually been fixed.
In other words, we're not correctly estimating either the number of people with jobs or the number of actual jobs in the country or both.
Henrietta, starting with you, the Commissioner of Labor Statistics, fired by the president, in Trump's words, for faking the jobs numbers and, quote, manipulating them for political purposes.
Let's just fact check that.
This is offensive in the extreme.
When we traffic in economic circles, I mean, I speak with chief economists, folks at BLS, Federal Reserve folks, Treasury folks, all day, every day, and I have for 15 years now.
What is happening here is about the worst case scenario that you could envision.
Our data collection, our statisticians, our professors, the economists at all these agencies are the envy of the world in terms of their data collection.
And it really recalls to me Trump's first term when he started telegraphing that he felt like democracy was a disadvantage versus President Xi's situation and a communist governing system, wherein he can famously manipulate the data coming out of China.
And he Trump viewed that as a disadvantage that the United States had to adhere to because we have open, free data collection and reporting that is outside of his purview.
And that's what he's undermining today.
And it is about the worst thing you can do in economic circles right now.
I thought I was going to come on here and talk about tariffs because that was the news that we were reacting to.
We all are.
ed elson
And to be completely honest, five minutes ago, I learned about what happened here.
unidentified
So I'm reacting in real time.
And I think my initial reaction is this is what cartoon dictators do.
You know, if you don't like the data, you say that the data is lying, you blame the numbers.
And I'm just, I'm amazed at how shameless all of this is.
And it is true.
It rings true of what happens in China, where you have an authoritarian regime where if economists speak out and say that there's anything wrong going on with the economy, suddenly the economist disappears and we don't know what happened to them.
And so I don't want to start getting a law missed, but it is exactly what you would imagine a dictator in a Marvel movie would start to do.
That is my live, honest reaction.
I'm going to keep paying attention to what's happening to the markets.
We've seen a lot of taco-type reactions from the markets thus far.
The markets saying, okay, we don't really believe you.
It's fine.
He's not really going to do it.
I mean, first he said July 9th was the deadline, then August 1st.
Now he's pushing it to August 7th.
ed elson
But with this, I don't know.
unidentified
Maybe this cuts it.
I'm not sure.
Okay, these people haven't looked at this over the years.
Remember, every month we have EJ come on and he goes back to how they've downgraded numbers for they want under Biden they want to put up a big employment number and then later kind of tuck it in as Eric Bowling said when we did the handoff E.J. Antoni joins us right now.
steve bannon
EJ, walk us through what today means.
unidentified
You've criticized this now for years.
steve bannon
You really did a very detailed job today.
unidentified
The president shortly thereafter terminated the head.
Put it in perspective, where are we, sir?
Well, Steve, I think we're certainly in a better place.
And what today demonstrates is just how powerful this show and its audience is, quite frankly, and also the fact that the president is among the audience, clearly, because it was this show that brought the issue to his attention.
So what this really means is the fact that we are holding federal bureaucrats accountable.
ej antoni
I mean, this woman oversaw a survey with a response rate of 42%.
unidentified
The majority of people don't even respond to the survey.
That's why we have had such irrational, or I should say such irregular responses.
ej antoni
That is why we have had such inconsistent results here and why we have needed such massive revisions.
unidentified
On top of that, it's also clear that the models and the methodologies need to be revised.
That is the ones that compute these actual jobs reports.
That has not been done, despite the fact that for a little over three years now, there has been evidence of significant problems in the statistics.
So I would say if there's any big takeaway from this, it's the fact that this president is holding federal bureaucrats accountable.
ej antoni
It's not a matter of the jobs report today wasn't as good as the president wanted it to be.
unidentified
The people who are alleging that are basically making, or they're basically playing politics with the situation, okay?
The reality is the president is not happy with the inconsistencies in the numbers.
ej antoni
He's not happy with the unreliability of the data.
unidentified
And he's going to put somebody into that position now, I hope, who is going to make sure that that is the priority.
ej antoni
It's not a matter of making the numbers look good.
unidentified
It's a matter of them being accurate.
EJ Antonio, Putchers, I know you're out.
steve bannon
Thank you for stepping out of your meeting to call us.
unidentified
Big day and monumental for you.
Social media so people can now follow you more closely, sir.
It's going to be on X, and the handle there is at RealEJ Antonio.
And Steve, thank you so much seriously for having me today so we could highlight this issue for the president.
It's because of you, your show, this platform that something happened.
EJ Antoni, thank you very much.
Very kind words.
Audience is very focused on that.
We've talked about this now for years.
Air Force One right there, pulling away the they're pulling away the ramp.
President Trump's going to take off.
Are we going to blow the break or just go it's Denver's calling this?
I would love to stay with it, but just stay with it if we can to see it taxi out.
Maybe we will anyway.
Okay, let's go to break and we'll come back and see the president lift off.
steve bannon
Came too late for that.
unidentified
I have two recommendations.
steve bannon
A governorship on the board of the Federal Reserve came available today with a resignation.
unidentified
What about Judy Shelton for that?
Do I have the audience in on that?
Judy Shelton for the governorship of the Fed?
And E.J. Antonio to head up the Bureau of Labor Statistics, a straight shooting guy.
Sound good?
Warren Posse, you've been on it.
Mike Lee knows you're on it.
Got his back.
Brian Harrison down in Texas.
steve bannon
We're going to get a vote tonight or tomorrow at that committee.
unidentified
Fix bayonets.
Let's get up on the ramparts.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
steve bannon
President Trump's at Andrews Air Force Base aboard Air Force One.
He is heading to Bedminster, his summer home.
unidentified
We will spend the weekend working.
Short commercial break.
Back in a moment.
kimberlyn king-hinds
I had a chat with Representative Mass out of Florida.
unidentified
And, you know, it was recommended to me to develop a relationship with Congressman Mass because he has direct ear of the president and often travels down to Florida because the president goes down there to Mar-a-Largo, right?
On Air Force One with the president.
kimberlyn king-hinds
So he has the ear of the president.
unidentified
And I went up to him and I was like, listen, you know, I hear this about you.
I need some help.
kimberlyn king-hinds
This is the situation, right?
unidentified
And, you know, coincidentally, the following day, the following day, I'm getting messages from the tour operators here on the ground that we're seeing movement in terms of the processing.
And on, you know, the following morning, I had a transportation and infrastructure meeting.
So I went up and I was like, hey, I don't know if it's a coincidence, but here we are.
I just wanted to say thank you, right?
And what he tells me is that, listen, we're not anti-China.
kimberlyn king-hinds
We want their money.
unidentified
You know, there's a clear differentiation between national security concerns and wanting money.
Right.
And what this is about, at the end of the day, is money.
Whoa.
Whoa, hang on.
My head's blown up.
steve bannon
By the way, that's Air Force 2.
unidentified
I think I got my glasses on now.
I think it's Air Force 2 or even lower than that.
Because it's a short hop.
You don't need Air Force One.
It's a short hop.
steve bannon
You also can take a much smaller contingent of both the press pool and even White House staff.
So we'll watch that.
unidentified
That's at Andrews Air Force Base, is what we would call, not Joint Base, Andrew.
Come on, man, Andrews.
It's Andrews Air Force Base.
So the president getting ready to leave.
We're going to watch that in its entirety.
steve bannon
Why don't we bring, so I'm going to do some directing here, right?
unidentified
Let's get Cleo up and let's get her in the box, not me, just Cleo.
steve bannon
People know my lovely voice.
unidentified
Cleo, you get to share the screen with the President of the United States and Air Force 2 getting ready to leave.
Andrews to go to Bedminster for his weekend.
And to explain to the audience, who was that person?
Because there was more bad information given right there.
No, Brian Mass is a Congressman.
He's a war veteran.
I think he's a double amputee.
He's a great guy.
I have some big problems with him.
steve bannon
He wore his IDF uniform or some IDF uniform to Congress one time, which I thought was very inappropriate.
unidentified
But he's a solid guy.
But he's a backbencher, right?
So she's sitting there saying, oh, Brian Mass told me and this is what we want and everything like that.
steve bannon
We don't want and we're not going to tolerate these Chinese nationals coming through and blowing through there.
unidentified
And who made the comment, we want their money?
You know, what do you mean, we want their money?
And that's why this, this is a national security issue between the United States and the CCP.
And it's very important.
steve bannon
The folks out there got to understand a lot of people are got their eyeballs on this now.
unidentified
And in fact, to the degree that it's important enough for us with everything we've got going in the war room, we're going to actually stream live the state funeral of the governor starting at 7 p.m. Eastern Time, and which I will host.
Cleo, what's going on, ma'am?
Thank you.
So, yes, I'm here in the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, and the governor's funeral is going to start in a little over an hour.
I wanted you to see what it's like because it's beautiful here, and he loved it.
He loved the people.
He loved the place.
Come visit.
This is one of the most beautiful parts of the United States.
The person that you just saw speaking is the representative to Congress of the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands.
cleo paskal
So she represents here in Congress.
unidentified
And the processing she was talking about was the speeding up of the entry of Chinese coming in without a visa.
They've got this other program called EVS TAP, which the Chinese used to come in with no visa.
And now they realize that wouldn't fly.
cleo paskal
So they've got this EVS TAP thing, which is they call enhanced vetting.
It's enhanced more than zero, but they want it because it's easier for them to get in.
And just so that you know, because the argument is always, oh, it takes too long with the B1B2.
unidentified
I checked on the State Department website.
Currently, if you're in Delhi and you want to apply for a B1B2 visa, the wait time is about five and a half months.
They do it in month increments.
And if you're in Beijing, the wait is zero months.
cleo paskal
So there's no logical reason why they can't just go and apply for a visa like everybody else, every other Chinese coming to every other part of the United States.
unidentified
But what she was talking about there, somebody, a professor from the U.S. Naval War College, Colonel John Atkinson, saw that and was like, she does not understand how national security works.
If she thinks this is just about the money, she doesn't understand how the Chinese operate.
She doesn't understand what goes into political warfare.
This is a complete misunderstanding and I would hope a mischaracterization of what Congress and Mass said and believes.
And she is hurting her colleagues.
This is a piece of film that if somebody was running against Mass, they now have a legitimate question about do you support Chinese coming into the U.S. without a visa?
Would you like me to pause while the president takes off?
No, no, no.
It's good.
There's a president right there.
I feel a little responsible.
I'm more hopeful right there.
I feel like I should be more respectful of this.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
unidentified
The president's very interested in your topic, so he's leaving right there.
Wheels up.
Very fantastic.
I think hopefully we're going to grab some footage.
steve bannon
It's not long.
unidentified
I think it's quite short flight.
steve bannon
So within the confines of this show, we'll be able to show you President Trump arriving, maybe even to another availability or gaggle.
unidentified
The one on the lawn of the White House was just spectacular.
steve bannon
I'll get into some of that in a moment.
unidentified
No, Cleo, because I want to make sure you make the, you're on time for the funeral.
steve bannon
No, this is, I'm sure Mass.
unidentified
Look, Mass is a national security guy.
Now, he's very focused on Israel, but I think he's been very strong against the anti-CCP, you know, one of the contingent.
I'm sure he was misinterpreted.
But here's, I just want the audience to understand something.
You've taken a flight to Tokyo and then down to the Northern Marianas Islands.
You're how many hours by jet away from the United States, and you're in the United States.
I want everybody to know this.
steve bannon
This is not us going to look in the Eurasian landmass or the Middle East and looking for trouble.
This is the territory of the United States of America, and there's been more blood, American blood, shed per square inch of this territory than any place else in the world, except for maybe the battlefields of Antietam and Gettysburg and Coal Harbor.
unidentified
Maybe I'll throw that in there.
This is sacred.
These are sacred.
If you believe in the greatest generation, if you believe the sacredness of their cause, what they gave their lives for, the Northern Marianas Islands and those islands in the Pacific, which those people opted to stay as part of the United States when they saw the brutality of what Japan tried to do in the co-you know, the co-prosperity sphere, and they see the CCPs trying to do the same thing.
This is why this is so important.
And this is why this governor was kind of revered.
He knew the dangers of doing this.
And right now, to be looking for, they could come in.
Could somebody get on a plane in Saipan or somebody could get on a plane and just come to California, come to Hawaii, come into the United States once they get there, unvetted, ma'am?
So they're technically not supposed to leave here without the Chinese are not supposed to leave here, but they're illegally going by boat to Guam, at least in the hundreds.
And we know that they're illegally buying U.S. IDs here in Ciannemai.
The woman that ran the Bureau of Motor Vehicles was convicted specifically of selling U.S. driver's licenses to Chinese who were here unlawfully.
It cost, in case you're curious, about $1,700 for a U.S. driver's license and $300 for a renewal.
And if you can see that building towering over the hotel behind me, that's the Chinese casino that I was standing in front of before.
cleo paskal
You can see that casino from pretty much everywhere you are in downtown Garapan, which is the capital.
unidentified
And if I may, just very quickly, in that longer interview, she also talks about Jim Jordan being very supportive of her EVS TAP program.
And we know that Congressman Nels wrote a letter in support of it.
So I don't know what she's saying to her congressional colleagues, but I don't think she's saying, please support letting Chinese into the U.S. without a visa.
And what's interesting is I would like to know who recommended she target mast, if that's indeed what happened.
And also, this is her number one legislative agenda.
If she was to approach, if this did happen, she could have asked for anything.
She could have asked for cabotage waivers, which would have helped the tourism sector in other ways.
She could have helped, asked for a million different things.
But what she wanted was this.
She wanted Chinese to be able to get in to the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas with less vetting.
Very, very suspicious.
And she should understand we're not backbenchers and we're going to make this a big deal.
Cleo, just give us the order of battle of what's going to happen today with the state funeral.
So, the state funeral, which will be live streamed, starts in about an hour and 15 minutes.
This is a very religious part of the country, mostly Catholic.
They were colonized for about 300 years by Spain, so then there will be a mass.
Then his body will be taken to the cemetery.
And this is the cemetery, this part of the U.S. has had a hard time with cemetery space.
They're burying them four people deep.
cleo paskal
And one of the things that Governor Palacios was very, he really loved his people, and he wanted them to have a dignified resting place.
unidentified
And he has been working for a long time to get a public cemetery open.
And yesterday, there was a consecration ceremony for the public cemetery.
And Governor Palacios will be the first person laid to rest there.
cleo paskal
It's at the foot of Suicide Cliffs, which is where the Japanese threw themselves off of during the Battle of Saipan.
unidentified
But it's a very beautiful, peaceful spot.
And the key speaker at the consecration of that was one of the highest-level people to come out from Washington that I've seen so far, which was the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Insular Affairs, who used to be the legislative director for Representative King Hines, who you just saw.
cleo paskal
He also was involved in writing legislation to enable this casino to come in with a lessening of the bonds.
unidentified
So you've got the highest-ranking person, and he's originally from here, but he's currently working as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Insular Affairs at the Department of Interior, who is what was Washington's face at the consecration of this cemetery for where Governor Palacios will be the first person laid to rest.
So when you're watching the service, keep an eye out for Angel Demopan, the Deputy Assistant Secretary, and remember that he was very involved in facilitating the entry of the Chinese casino.
cleo paskal
He was the chief of staff for the governor whose family made money selling leasing land at inflated profits for the casino, and he was legislative director for King Hines, who may also be speaking at the funeral.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cleo, of course, one of the suicide cliffs was not just the Japanese Army, but many civilians.
The propaganda had been, they've given so much propaganda about the American forces, they threw themselves off and killed themselves instead of surrendering.
steve bannon
They would not surrender in Saipan, as in many of the places in the Pacific.
American territory all.
unidentified
Cleo, social media.
We'll see in about, we're going to start streaming here at 7 o'clock.
I'll be hosting this.
We're going to stream the entire service, including the burial.
We think it was that important in this battle against the Chinese Communist Party.
Your social media, ma'am.
Thank you.
cleo paskal
I'm on X, just my name, Cleo Pascal, C-L-E-O, P-A-S-K-A-L.
unidentified
And I have to, many people have come up to me here and have been grateful for the war room coverage.
And they've felt quite abandoned.
And if you want, you can go.
The main media here is Mariannis Variety.
cleo paskal
They have a Facebook page, and you can leave messages of condolences.
unidentified
But just knowing that you care has made an enormous difference to many people here.
Well, thank you and thank them.
It's a way we honor the greatest generation and also the new young greatest generation that's coming up in back of us to fight all this.
Thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
We're going to take a short break here.
Natalie's going to join me on the other side.
First question I'm going to ask Natalie, given that she's, from the time she's 17 years old, become one of the top investigative reporters in the world about the Chinese Communist Party.
There's no problem letting Chinese nationals in with no visas, totally unvetted into the United States of America.
If one thing you can take away from what we're doing here in this situation is that, you know, in the Battle of the Pacific and the War in the Pacific, these islands were so important.
There's so much American bloodshed for these.
So many boys from Kansas and Missouri and Virginia and New York City and the Bronx and Chicago.
They gave their lives for this for a reason and a purpose.
And we're going to make sure we honor it.
A short commercial break.
Natalie Winters on the other side.
Spread the word on through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when they're long war.
Let's take down the CCP.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Okay, we want to thank Cleo.
steve bannon
Right there is the president.
unidentified
That is Allentown, Pennsylvania.
I sure had not to get involved in New York airspace on a Friday afternoon.
They're going to Allentown the other direction.
It's about an hour away from Bedminster by car.
I would hope that they would have one of the, they would pre-deploy, for deploy one of the, look at that landing right there, Air Force 2.
That they would have one of the helicopters started to take and we'll see all this.
This is Allentown, Pennsylvania, about an hour away from Bedminster.
We'll be able to hopefully cover this entire thing for the duration of the show.
There you go.
Natalie Winters joins us.
Natalie, given your research over the last, I don't know, six or seven years, you don't see any problem at all with allowing Chinese nationals into Saipan, Guam, other places, unvetted with no visas, ma'am, to kind of wander around and do what they want anywhere they want, anytime they want?
natalie winters
I would say while we're at it, let's let them make up, what, like 50% of the Harvard and Duke graduating class.
unidentified
But I think we're probably already approaching those numbers, but you and I know it, right?
It's infiltration, not invasion.
And obviously, we say that World War III, the kinetic part, hasn't necessarily started yet, at least in the context of China.
But I think if you look not just the numbers of the people who are crossing into the United States, either through the open southern border or through these sort of proxy cutout territories, I mean, these are people who have military backgrounds.
natalie winters
Remember, it was the Biden regime that overturned, stopped the really vetting of these people asking if they had any weapons training, if they had ties to the PLA.
unidentified
And frankly, I mean, think about all the weird train derailments that we had under Joe Biden.
If you look at all the, I think, critical infrastructure attacks, whether it's the hacking or the weird, you know, batteries and the solar panels that they've been hacking into, it's all part of a broader plan that I think we've really been sounding the alarm over for years.
Natalie, how do they take our elite seriously?
How do they take it seriously?
steve bannon
I mean, to get into Shanghai, even to get into Hong Kong, it's hermetically sealed.
unidentified
They know everybody.
They got the face recognition.
It's a total surveillance site.
You know, there's no piano plan.
These are hermetically sealed entities.
How can they take it seriously when you have a situation in the Western Pacific with our territories where they can just go in?
And you know the graph.
You just heard Cleo talk about, you know, one of the officials there was selling California driver's license at $1,700 a pop because as soon as you got a driver's license, you know, you can do everything, including voting.
I mean, how are they supposed to take us seriously when we're so open and so soft and they're so hermetically sealed and rock hard, ma'am?
Well, look, Steve, I think the answer to this question dovetails with what you're probably going to ask me next, which is what have we done on the treason front?
natalie winters
What have we done on the Chinese Communist Party spy front?
I mean, think about Eric Swalwell or Hunter Biden, right?
unidentified
They're obviously kind of the laughingstock examples of Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
But there are dozens, if not hundreds, of people like them in the highest levels of government, as Cleo was alluding to, the people who have embedded and burrowed in, even in the Trump administration, that are proxies of the Chinese Communist Party.
natalie winters
It's not just ideological compromise, it's monetary compromise, it's blackmail, right?
unidentified
It's the whole gamut that I think we've really honed in on.
And to your point, you know, I wanted to come on and give us some good news about what they're doing on the treason front, on the Obama front, on the Russia gate front.
But unfortunately, I can't sit here and give you that.
You have breaking news coming from Laura Loomer.
natalie winters
I know we're pulling that, but if we want to, I guess we won't cut away from that.
unidentified
But if we can, if we do, scroll the tweet and let's see who the Trump administration is considering putting in as the deputy director of the NSA.
That's John Edwards, the former chief information officer at the CIA under Obama.
I mean, full stop.
natalie winters
Why are we even considering people who worked in the Intel agencies, Intel community under Obama, under a president that weaponized against the American people?
unidentified
If you actually read his personal bio, he actually says that you guessed it.
Director Brennan personally asked him to come back and work at the CIA.
Laura also reports her source is telling her that he and John Brennan are so close that they actually vacationed together.
And this is the guy who now is going to be essentially what the number two over at NSA.
But, Steve, the signal, not noise here.
What really got this whole Russia Gate thing started when Tulsi was declassifying these documents?
It was that Obama refused to release the presidential daily brief on December 9th of 2016 because it showed that there was no evidence of Russia collusion.
natalie winters
Now that they're trying to jam through this obviously Brennan Apparachi, Brennan crony, into the upper echelons, if not the most upper echelons of the NSA, which, as you know, is responsible for the overwhelming majority of what's contained in the presidential daily brief.
unidentified
I mean, this is not just a cover-up.
natalie winters
This is, I'm sorry, do you think Joe Biden would consider anyone from the Trump administration for any position, let alone the number two over at the NSA?
Absolutely not.
unidentified
Last time I checked, they tried to what debank, disbar like Jeff Clark, and absolutely destroy anyone who is even tangentially associated with the MAGA movement, even if it was for just one day on January 6th.
I don't understand why it takes Laura Loomer to have to vet these people, right?
This should be a no-go from the start, but this is something, I mean, this is an issue that I think really, really matters, right?
natalie winters
Personnel is policy.
unidentified
How in the heck are you going to hold John Brennan to account when his buddy is busy, probably being promoted, if not outright elevated to the number two position at the NSA, potentially as we speak?
That's not accountability.
That's not retribution.
That's laying the groundwork for retribution against MAGA, which is not what I voted for.
Natalie, give your social media.
Thank you for carving out some time to jump on here because I want to get this update.
steve bannon
Thank you so much.
unidentified
What's your social media?
Where can people track you down over the weekend?
You always say I take a long time to get ready.
I think you take a longer time than I do.
It's Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms.
Thanks, Steve.
Have a good weekend.
I need more hair and makeup.
Natalie Winters, thank you so much, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
Great job as usual.
I want to thank Clear.
steve bannon
We're going to pick up Clear Pascal in the 7 o'clock hour.
unidentified
I'm trying to track down Laurel over there.
President's Plane, Air Force 2, right there.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Oh, we have.
Oh, we're taking a gold clock.
Okay, fine.
steve bannon
I've taken it all the way to the top.
unidentified
Let's give.
Let me hold Trevor Comstock over into the next hour.
steve bannon
Mike Lindell, we got a minute.
Can you go ahead while we're looking at Allentown Airport, Pennsylvania?
unidentified
President of the United States leaving for a working weekend.
Trump works 24-7.
Going to play a little golf, I think, this weekend at Bedminster.
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steve bannon
Appreciate you.
unidentified
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We're going to stick right here for about another minute.
We're going to go take a hard break at the top, right?
I'm looking for my producer to give me ignos.
steve bannon
There we are.
unidentified
Okay, we'll take a hard break at the top.
The president's plane is there.
They may be deboarding on the other side.
steve bannon
There we go, right here.
unidentified
See the president leave.
You still want to go to break?
You want to cover this?
Oh, toss it just.
Okay, fine.
We'll keep it on this.
Here's what we'll go to the other.
Right now, John Solomon and Amanda Head are going to pick it up.
Adjust the news right there.
We're going to keep that shot.
President of the United States will come at momentarily.
He is in Allentown, Pennsylvania at the airport.
steve bannon
Gonna leave and go to Bedminster from there to start his weekend, working weekend.
unidentified
We're gonna continue on Getter, Rumble, our other platforms and streaming services with Real America's Voice.
And we've got, there's the President of the United States.
What a way to end the show right there.
Toss it over to Just the News with John Solomon and Amanda Head.
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