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Episode 4676: Negative Bias In The Jobs Report
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Back.
steve bannon
It's Friday, 1 August, Year of Our Lord, 2025.
We're going to start with, we've got E.J. Antonio's going to join us.
We're going to go through these numbers on the Labor Report.
I've got more to say about the terrorists reorganizing of the world's commercial system.
First time since post-World War II.
Mike Lee is going to, Senator Mike Lee is going to join us tonight because he's got a lot of work to do today on this topic we're talking about, about confirmations, appointments, recess or appointments.
Senator Tuberville joins us.
I asked Senator Tubberville, we want him over here because he's got an amazing new bill about Chinese nationals studying here in the United States of America.
But first, Senator Tuberville, because I know this is, you come from a career of working 18 to 20 hour a day, seven days a week to the Senate.
Please help me out here.
Are you guys going to stick around and get these confirmations done for President Trump?
Or if you do leave for the August recess, is Stune going to actually have a recess so President Trump can then do recess appointments.
So either way, we grind through this thing by Labor Day one way or the other.
Is a solution?
Are you guys just going to punch out, go in your Codels, and we'll see you back here after Labor Day?
tommy tuberville
Well, Steve, thanks for having me on.
First of all, I apologize.
I'm in the Russell building, and my office is on the fourth floor overlooking Union Station, and we've got thousands of protesters here all the time, and they're running sirens today, and it just drives you nuts.
I don't know why we put up with this crap, but for some reason, the city of Washington, D.C. puts up with it.
But they tried to throw us all off, but it's just another day in the swamp.
But yes, we need to stay, Steve.
This is crazy.
People want to go home.
Just because we've set this date for the year on our calendar, they have slow played President Trump.
He doesn't have his coaching staff.
I call it the coaching staff.
You can't get anything done at lower level.
And right now, we're getting hacked by a lot of these lower-level people in some of these agencies that are leftover from the Biden administration.
For instance, I just met with a drug company, and they make American drugs, and we're getting hammered by India because they make this same drug.
They sent it to America, and some group in California packages the drug and they sell it as American-made, and it's not near as good as what we make here in this country.
But because of the lower-level people that we can't get in, the Biden administration group that is still in command, you know, they won't let us make any progress.
So that's the reason we need to stay.
We need to do what's right.
And somebody needs to grow a set so we can get this done.
Who cares about going home right now?
Let's save our country.
And I love what you say.
If we don't do it now, they'll never be saved.
steve bannon
Do you guys have, I mean, are there like team meetings?
I know when you coach, you were a guy that was known for, you know, including your team and your coaches and building the team environment.
Is thun, are you guys talking about this or just every day it's we're going to stay a couple more days in 10?
Is there a strategy and a plan?
Or is this just kind of evolve every day, sir?
tommy tuberville
Well, we've had plans all week long.
We've talked about different scenarios of possibly dropping the closure vote, making it one vote, cutting back on time.
For the average person out, here's what happens.
Anytime we vote on a nominee, it's two votes.
It's a closure vote.
Then you have a debate time of two hours.
Then you have a vote on that to close it down on the nominee.
Well, normally, you know, the other side for us instance, you know, we'd give back time.
You know, we'd make it 10 minutes or whatever.
And so you'd get a lot more nominees through.
Well, this group won't allow you to do that.
What happened is last spring, Chuck Schumer voted for the CR, and his side just went ballistic.
They said, you're siding with the Republicans.
You're going to ruin our country and we're going to run you out of office.
AOC pops up.
I'm thinking about running for Chuck Schumer's spot.
And now he's playing hardball.
He is scared to death.
He's going to lose to AOC, which he would, by the way, if she runs, because he's nothing but a no-good, I don't know what you call him, somebody from New York that's taking as much money as he possibly can.
He's got enough money.
He needs to move on down the road.
But it is, it's nothing for America.
It's nothing for the American taxpayer.
It's all about running our country underground and owned by the olearch of the Democratic Party.
steve bannon
So have you guys talked about, have you addressed internally just actually going on recess and taking off and giving, because Mike Lee tells me the Constitution supports it.
In fact, it's in the Constitution and every president's had it.
Just taking off and having President Trump have a gap here that he could do some recess appointments and then you guys still work with these people because it only goes for like a year or so to get them permanently in.
Has that been addressed at all or is that not even on the table yet?
tommy tuberville
Well, it's probably got less talk than anything, but we have talked about it and some groups bring it up.
Oh, they don't get paid if you do this.
It only lasts for a year, year and a half.
First of all, I don't care how long it lasts.
Let's get them in and worry about that afterwards.
Mike Lee even brought it up.
Yes, they do get paid.
They do make money.
And so that's not a problem.
But again, I wish we would address the situation at hand.
Schumer should step up and say, okay, we're going to let you voice vote 60, 70, 80, but we have zero voice votes for nominees when at this time during the Biden administration, he had 50 that we allowed them to voice vote.
Again, they're not playing ball with us.
They hate President Trump.
They hate the country the way it is.
They're afraid that we're going to get something done in these four years.
That's their worst scenario.
Hopefully, we continue to do that.
But we've got to have fighters.
Steve, we don't have fighters up here and people that say enough's enough.
Y'all's ass is staying here as long as we're staying here and we're going to vote every two hours until you come to your senses.
And we work night and day.
I mean, that's easy to do.
We all got offices in the Capitol where we can sleep on the couch, get up, and go vote.
steve bannon
Well, I hope that kicks in right away.
Senator, I want to talk about this new law that you're talking about, putting forward about students and Chinese nationals and Iranians also.
Here's my concern.
We spent the first half of the show.
There's a bunch of big announcements coming out on artificial intelligence.
I happen to believe the jobs report and one of the problems with it is artificial intelligence is already starting to kick in.
You're going to see a big loss of white-collar jobs.
And everybody says, hey, we can't have any regulation.
You can't control this because the Chinese Communist Party is going to overtake us and it's going to be full-spectrum dominance.
I go, well, hang on for a second.
If you took away their capital, their technology, the expertise, and the training we do for their young engineers in our colleges, they ain't competitive.
They have to have every resource from us to be competitive.
Now, as your bill, your bill right now, I take it you said, hey, we can't continue to do this.
I think there's 350,000 Chinese national students who, no matter how good or nice these people are, they basically have to sign an agreement with the Chinese Communist Party that they're going to report back on everything they learn.
I mean, they're essentially quasi-intelligence agents, but also, more importantly, we're training up our enemy with our most vital technology, sir.
tommy tuberville
1.5 million foreign nationals that we educate in this country every year, Steve.
It's embarrassing.
In the East Coast and all these Ivy League schools, 60 to 70% of their students are foreign nationals.
I'm talking about all of them.
I mean, we've lost our damn mind.
And if you just look, I went to a graduation for a friend of mine not too long ago in the South and a small university.
And I looked at the program.
40 of their graduates in engineering and cyber were Chinese nationals.
What in the heck are we doing?
And let me tell you something.
Some of these Chinese are staying and working in our AI in this country.
They're overstaying their visas, or we're either extending their visas.
That's why my bill says my bill basically says, listen, Student Visa Integrity Act.
You come here, you get a degree, you're gone.
Or better than that, if you're Iranian national or a Chinese national, you don't come at all.
We're not educating you.
Go somewhere else.
We're going to put our kids first, America first.
Our kids are getting left out.
They're getting left out of some of these universities because we have foreign nationals that come in and pay cash, and these universities are nothing but business now anyway.
And so they're taking advantage of the system.
Enough's enough.
And AI, Chinese are so far ahead of us in AI right now.
If we don't do something immediately with its education process, we're going to continue to fall behind.
And we're not going to be an adversary anymore.
We're going to be kneeling down to China.
steve bannon
So the universities are going to come to you, Senator Tupperville.
All their lobbyists are going to come to you and say, hey, look, if we don't get this cash, because all the American kids pay state tuition at these state universities, even they pay local tuition, and the foreigners pay top dollar paid for by the government.
That spread is what allows us to keep tenured professors around.
What's your response?
tommy tuberville
Yeah, you hit it right.
Tenured professors that have been there 25 years making $250,000 and they don't even teach a damn class.
They got a graduate student teaching the class.
They're doing supposedly research.
And it's time to get back to teaching in the secondary level and the higher education level in our country.
Teachers' unions are basically running this in the ground.
Our education system in this country has become a joke.
We have to get to workforce development.
But as you just said, we have presidents making one, two, three million dollars a year.
Presidents, it makes no sense.
They're all flying around in jet airplanes.
How about we get back to educating our kids and quit worrying about making this a business and making it for-profit?
They're for non-profit.
Now, if they want to be for-profit, so be it.
So be it.
But we don't need to be egging that on.
For instance, in this big, beautiful bill, Steve, there's a part that we got in there that any student, any student could borrow $65,000 for a graduate student.
We dropped that in half.
And Barnett, who is it borrowing from?
America.
We have since Barack Obama started ACA.
We have 45 million students out there today that owe $2 trillion.
$45 million.
And who do you think they're going to vote for in the next election?
Now we're making them pay their bills and their interest back and pay off their loan.
They're looking for somebody that's not going to make them pay that loan back.
They're wanting forgiveness.
It is all a scheme.
We've been set up.
Republicans have taken the bait.
We better start fighting back.
steve bannon
Senator, where can people get you on social media and website, particularly this weekend?
I know it's going to be day-to-day there at the Senate until we make some decision of what's going to happen with this recess.
Where do people get you?
tommy tuberville
Yes, Senator Tuberville, Steve.
I appreciate that.
Appreciate you putting it up there.
But it's, hey, folks, we're in tough times.
And you better listen to Steve.
You better listen to everybody else, Mike Lee, tonight.
We're in tough times.
And just because President Trump is in office does not mean that we're gaining ground.
He's doing all he can, but he's getting beat up for these people that are under the scenes that are still Biden administration, Obama administration people that are bureaucrats that are absolutely trying to stop everything we're doing.
And it's embarrassing.
And we need to stay here and go to work.
steve bannon
Senator Tuberville, honored to have you on here.
Thank you, sir.
tommy tuberville
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Folks, because of your using Bill Blaster and Article 3 and just going and calling yourself and texting yourself.
This is now a big deal.
They've added another 10 names, but it's still in flux.
You heard, you know, Senator Lee came on here yesterday, kept him for a couple of segments, walked through everything.
And then they had the Senate meeting where he lays it out.
And there's people in the United States Senate, senators, have no understanding of the Constitution or federal law sitting there going, well, guys can't get paid.
We can't go recess appointment.
It is a smear on President Trump when his own party does not trust him enough.
This gets down to the basics.
Do you trust the guy or don't?
In opposition, I have no problem with Democrats not giving a recess or Republicans not giving a recess to Biden or not going on recess, but having this kind of pro forma recess where you stay in so they can't do recess appointments.
I have no problem with Republicans doing that when Biden's around or Obama's around.
I advocated that.
I think it's all part of the game.
I have no problem with Democrats doing that with President Trump, right?
I get that.
But when your own party, when the guy that got you dragged you across the finish line, it could be so simple.
He could take all 150.
Now, you can't do judges, right?
But you do everybody else, make them a recess appointee.
Normally, I thought it was for a year.
Mike Lee says it goes all the way up until 26, right?
I think it goes past the midterms.
And they can continue in the process and do a regular confirmation.
Just do it.
And then go do whatever you got to do up until for the month of August.
Or stay here and grind it through.
I'm indifferent as long as President Trump gets it.
But I think the easier way and the quicker way is a recess appointment.
Plus, it would show that you trust the guy.
Short commercial break.
E.J. Antoni is going to join us.
talk about these labor numbers.
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That's where I'm putting up all my stuff all day and night long.
Part of the interim just sent me from one of the most renowned public universities, I would say an IV equivalent in the South, private.
And somebody sent me this before they're graduated.
They had sent me the part of the graduation brochure.
I think it was computer science.
And I think it was of the 100 people, there were like 98 Chinese Communist Nationals.
They just sent another page, or this person hadn't sent me people, but sent me this graduate, the master's in economics, 100% Chinese Communist Party.
As soon as we verify all of this, maybe this afternoon, I'm going to put a couple of these up.
It's out of control.
It's totally out of control.
And it's American kids that are being elbowed out.
That's what's unacceptable.
First off, I don't think you should have any foreign students in the country right now whatsoever.
Just go full stop.
Like no HB1 visas.
Just go full stop.
In addition, instead of stapling a green card to their diploma when they graduate, staple an exit visa.
Boom, you're out of here.
You get 30 days to hang out with those guys in school and you can come back for all the alumni gatherings, but you're gone.
It's also the way you're going to make the countries of the world, they're not going to get better if you're sucking up every piece of talent.
That is, that's how imperial, that's how the British ran their empire.
You know, they all came and they wanted to come and live, you know, the best of the best to live in London.
Well, you know, you can't do that.
If you suck up all the talent from the world, the nations of the world are never going to progress.
And you know what's going to happen?
They're all going to want to come here, the people that couldn't get into Harvard.
And how are they going to do it?
They're going to do it by foot through Central America.
And we're going to have the same mess that we've got right now.
Invite the third world, become the third world.
Look in Los Angeles, look in Chicago, and look what you got in New York City.
Look what you got in New York City.
That's your education plan.
That's all these progressives.
That's everything.
It's coming home to roost, folks.
Coming home to roost.
And Naomi, last night, I appreciate Naomi and her optimism about you got the Brooklyn Republican Club, and we've known what, you know, Gavin Wax and Vish Burra and all the great guys at the New York Young Republicans Club turned around.
And those things are great.
They're green sprouts, and they tell you.
But the Working People's Party and the DSA, they run the deal.
Okay.
They get foot soldiers and they get 10,000 canvassers.
And for everybody's sitting there with this masculatory fantasy that, oh, let them run.
Let them win.
It's going to be terrible.
New York City is going to be terrified of the Democratic Party.
That might be true on a national basis, but once they get control of these cities, they got control of the cities.
We have three of the greatest cities, not just in the country in the world, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York, that are not controlled by people in the United States.
It's controlled.
They're controlled by hostile foreign powers.
That's reality.
Have you seen any deportations there in the last 30 days?
You're going to have to go back.
You're going to have to get the National Guard, militarize it again.
You go in there.
They're not going to self-deport out of those places.
They've made those strongholds, and they're going to be in your grill.
And folks, until you get them out of here, until you do the mass deportations, they're not going to sort this mass out.
And they're trying to just tap President Trump along.
They're going to try to wait him out.
You can see it right now.
They're going to try to wait him out.
E.J. Antony joins us.
EJ, you did a great turn on CNBC.
We started the show with E.J. Antony, although on CNBC.
You've had now an hour or two to get your hands into this.
First off, I want to talk about something you've been on here for four years, complained about, and that is the Bureau of Labor Statistics and whether we get accurate numbers.
Now, everybody's talking about the number here.
It's a quarter of a million jobs.
They're like on the downside.
It turns out we didn't get, and now it's a restatement.
What in the hell is going on there?
And have we put in our own person into BLS?
Is a MAGA Republican that President Trump knows and trusts?
Are they running the Bureau of Labor Statistics yet, sir?
ej antoni
No, unfortunately, Steve, we still haven't gotten there.
And I think that's part of the reason why we continue to have all of these different data problems.
You know, the guy we had previously, Bill Beach, is actually a great guy, brilliant statistician.
And he recognized some of the problems that we had in the data.
He was taking steps to fix that.
But unfortunately, he was removed by the Biden administration.
He's not there anymore.
And he's been replaced by someone who, frankly, I think is incompetent.
And that shows with the fact that the problems in the statistics that first became evident all the way back in the spring of 2022, those problems are still there.
And if we can go to the first chart here, I think really helps illustrate that, where essentially what you can see is the fact that the disparity between the number of people who are saying they have a job, who are employed, that's in brown there, versus the line in gray is the number of non-farm payrolls we have.
As you can see before the pandemic, they tracked very, very well together.
But since then, they've really started to spread apart.
And that problem has never actually been fixed.
In other words, we're not correctly estimating either the number of people with jobs or the number of actual jobs in the country or both.
And if we go to the next chart here, we can get a better sense of some of the problem.
What continuously keeps happening is that we get an initial estimate for the number of jobs.
And then that figure has to get revised down and pretty dramatically.
Now, this is just over the last year.
The reason I chose a year, though, is because over the course of a year, you should have some months revised up, some months revised down.
But all in all, it should average out to zero.
That's not what's happening anymore.
There's clearly a negative bias in the revisions, which means there's a positive bias in the initial numbers.
In other words, we get an overly optimistic report, and then we later find out that it wasn't that great.
And so now we see that for the last several months, most of the jobs that we thought we were adding didn't actually exist.
Again, this is not a problem unique to the Trump administration or unique to 2025.
It happened in 22, in 23, and in 24.
In fact, earlier this week, the BLS announced with their latest round of quarterly data that 2024 is going to see another major downward revision in coming reports.
We're just not going to get that report, unfortunately, until the start of next year, but it is coming.
We're going to see hundreds of thousands of jobs that we thought we had in 2024, it turns out never even existed.
And these data problems go a lot deeper, frankly, in the report.
So if we flip to the next chart, another thing that we can see is how the disparity between full-time and part-time work isn't showing up in some of the other numbers.
So for example, in this last report, the number of full-time jobs actually declined and the number of part-time jobs went up.
So all of the net job growth, it looks like, was part-time.
But as we flip to the next chart, we start to see more disparities here.
This is multiple job holders.
Usually what happens is we lose full-time jobs and we add all these part-time jobs.
It's because people are taking on multiple part-time jobs to make ends meet.
That's the opposite of what we're seeing here.
This is pointing to a problem in the data.
And then finally, the next chart shows us hours.
And what's happening here, again, if all of these people are losing their full-time jobs and only getting part-time work to replace them, the average weekly hours should be going down because you're working fewer hours at a part-time job than you were at your full-time job.
But that's not what happened last month.
In July, the number actually ticked up.
So all of this to say, Steve, there is a lot of conflicting evidence in this July jobs report.
And so we have to take it with a grain of salt.
I'm not trying to excuse away the fact that it wasn't a great headline number, the fact that we had big downward revisions, but it speaks to all of the problems in the data.
Now, there was some good news in the report, too, that we should definitely highlight.
We can see that in the next chart, where the annual change in jobs among native-born Americans has exploded.
It is up 2 million from July of 24 to July of 25.
Meanwhile, employment among foreign-born workers is actually down.
It's down over 200,000.
Now, look, it's not that I'm rooting for anybody to be losing their jobs, but what I'm pointing out in this chart is simply the fact that all of the net job growth over the last 12 months has gone to native-born Americans.
That is a stark change to what we saw under the Biden administration, where all of the net job growth from pre-pandemic until Biden left office, all of that net job growth went to foreign-born workers and Native born Americans actually lost employment.
We can see that in the next chart where you're going to see trend lines for both of these categories.
So in blue there, you can see foreign-born workers and in orange, you can see native-born Americans.
It's clear that during the Biden years, the level of foreign-born employment returned to its pre-pandemic trend, the dotted line, and stayed there.
However, for native-born Americans, employment never actually returned to that trend.
But what we saw in the last couple months of jobs reports in the June report and in the July report that we got today, these were the best June and the best July ever for Native born employment.
Now, the reason I'm saying best June, best July, these are not seasonally adjusted data sets, which is just a fancy way of saying you can't compare month over month changes.
In other words, June to July is not a fair comparison.
January to July is not a fair comparison because there are things that typically happen with seasonality here.
For example, every July, you see a surge in Native born American employment because you have a lot of high school and college kids who are home from school and they're out getting Part-time jobs, right?
And then in August and September, that number plummets as those people go back to school.
So you want to look at one July to the next, and then that doesn't include all of that seasonality in between.
And sure enough, again, this is the best June and the best July ever for Native-born Americans.
That's great news.
steve bannon
It's great news.
We're going to have you back.
I know you got a bounce.
I'd love you.
Got a heart out.
Social media on Twitter.
Where do people go to follow all your analytics?
ej antoni
Best place to find me is there on X. The handle is at RealEJ Antonio.
steve bannon
EJ, thank you so much.
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steve bannon
Okay, there's on Twitter right now.
There's reports that Thune and Schumer are sitting down and talking about some path out of here on these appointments, finding something to either push a bunch of them or even do a recess.
These conversations started last night.
You know where these conversations started?
Because this audience put pressure on Thune in his office, and these other senators saying, you got to knock this off.
President Trump needs his nominations, needs his nominees.
We've got to stop this crap and get on with it.
We need to continue to put pressure.
And in Texas, also, the only thing they respond to is pressure from you because they know you represent tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people in back of you.
So each one of you.
Millions overall.
That's why the Senate's responded.
Now they're in a negotiation about what to do to move President Trump's nominees quickly before they get the hell out of town.
Now, our recommendation here at the Warmest Thunes is just say, screw it and call a real recess and let President Trump do what he wants to do as recess appointments.
End of story.
But obviously, Thune doesn't trust the President of the United States, or we would do this.
Mike Lee, it's got a little TikTok up.
I'll repost it on mine, and Mike Lee's going to join us this afternoon, but I think you're going to see a lot of progress today.
Why?
Because of you.
Heroes like Mike Lee, Josh Harley, other people pushing this, and then you coming in as the support troops to say it's got to happen.
You're going to see progress.
Same thing down to Texas.
Texas may vote as early as tomorrow on the redistricting at a committee and then vote on Tuesday.
We're going to get Harrison if we don't get him to tomorrow game up this afternoon.
Pressure is also working in Brazil.
President Bolsonaro, who you know is revered by this audience, is on trial for his life.
They got him on trial for the saying his election was rigged, which was totally rigged.
Lula's in there because of the rigged election.
They've also got him some plot to assassinate Lula.
So they want to put him in prison for life.
That's just for life and then assassinated him when he's in prison.
And the people in Brazil are very worked up about it.
President Trump, the other day, the OFAC, the OFAC sanctions against the judge Morris finally, and that guy's been just as crude as he could possibly be afterwards.
And Lula, smack talking to the President of the United States in the New York Times.
They're just digging themselves into a deeper hole.
I want to bring in Anna Paula Henkel, a major podcaster in Brazil.
Can you just give us the current state of the situation with the country?
How have people responded, and particularly Lula's government responded to what President Trump did the other day, both against the judge and also with the tariffs against Lula, ma'am?
ana paula henkel
Good morning, Mr. Bennon.
Thanks for having me.
I think it's crucial that we start to show what's happening in Brazil, show to the world.
As we are speaking, Justice Moraes just went back to the Supreme Court because they were in recess this week, and he just announced that he will ignore completely the Magnitsky Act and its sanctions.
Brazilians, since Wednesday when President Trump signed the Magnitsky Act together with the Department of Treasury and Department of State, we were thrilled because our Senate is composed by cowards.
I don't have any other word because our Senate could easily bring an impeachment process to the floor.
And we've been watching for years Supreme Court justices, especially Moraes, just doing whatever they want, not following due process, political persecutions, political imprisonment.
We have the case of Felipe Martins, who is a former aide for President Bolsonaro Foreign Affairs, and he was in prison for six months without due process, without being convicted, without anything.
And of course, they were doing that to force a plea deal so Felipe could feed the narrative.
Oh, President Bolsonaro did this or was planning a coup, et cetera.
But Felipe stayed strong and did not sign any plea deal.
And last week, Felipe finally had the chance to speak in a public audience after two years of being kept in silence.
And the atrocities committed against Felipe in prison are absolutely shocking, Mr. Bannon.
It's shocking.
This should never, it's things that you see or you read about the Soviet Union or the Stalin regime or Nicaragua or Cuba, but not Brazil, not Brazil.
So we are very grateful to President Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio for trying to bring order to our so-called democracy.
I don't think we have a democracy any longer.
steve bannon
Well, how did that happen?
By the way, I want to throw Scott Besson.
Treasury worked hard on this too.
And all of your nights, the whole U.S. government is united and the American people united about this.
How did this happen in Brazil?
You used to have Great freedom.
You're one of the greatest countries on earth.
You are stewards to the Amazon and some of the most precious natural resources in God's creation.
You have a people that are very vibrant and upbeat, love life.
How did this dark specter of really kind of totalitarian communism, Marxism, how did that descend on a country like Brazil, ma'am?
ana paula henkel
Well, it's kind of what happened here in the United States.
I've been living in Los Angeles.
I saw you talking about Los Angeles, and I don't think there's much hope for Los Angeles exactly because of that.
We have full Marxists here administrating the city.
But what happened in Brazil, Mr. Bennon, is pretty much what happened here in the United States when President Trump won his first election in 2016.
It was the very same with President Bolsonaro in Brazil.
It was somebody out of the establishment, out of the deep state realm, and then President Bolsonaro couldn't govern Brazil for four years in peace.
Supreme Court would constantly say, you can't do this, you can't do that, putting their fingers and their pans on executive premises.
And the Senate, who was the House that could do something to stop these interferences, they just said that we're not going to do anything because we don't like this new president-elect.
He's not part of our gang.
He's not part of our system of the establishment.
So we're going to take him down.
And we had, just like the United States, we had very weird elections in 2022 and we were not allowed to speak about it.
You would have your profiles on social media or digital platforms taken down if you questioned.
Can we ask about the integrity of the election?
No, you just couldn't do that.
The Supreme Court justice says, especially Alejandro de Moraes, he would just shut every possible avenue for freedom of speech or anything that will question the election or their interference in another branches.
If it was the executive or the legislative, we just couldn't say anything until it reached American soil.
And that's why President Trump, Secretary Marco Rubio, and Scott Basson worked so hard because we, I'm an American citizen, we started to get our speech censored in our accounts from the United States.
Alejandro de Moraes would simply go out there and say, X, Getter, Instagram, you have to shut down these accounts because I want that, because I want that, and that's it.
No judicial process, absolutely nothing.
And then there was one time during a very important local elections that he decided to shut down X entirely.
So X was off the air for, if I'm not mistaken, two or three days.
So I think it reached the point that our First Amendment was being really threatened, not only in the United States, because I'm Brazilian and American, but as an American in American soil.
And the sad part, Mr. Bennon, is that it took another president in another country, you know, the land of the free because of the brave, to start to shift things back to where we're supposed to be in our democracy in Brazil.
steve bannon
Anna, the people in Brazil, I know people here that are following it are now fully aware because they were not for a long time that President Bolsonaro is on trial essentially for his life because they want to give him a life sentence in this trial.
Is Brazil awakened to that fact too, that this is about a life sentence for President Bolsonaro and they could well be assassinated in prison?
ana paula henkel
Oh, yes, we are very aware of that.
And in fact, we are, we as a country, Brazil, is planning to have massive protests and people are going to the streets this Sunday in all over Brazil, all big cities to demand respect for our constitution.
Because this is the thing, when the left, when they, when the Marxists, they try to portray like, oh, you're one side wants to protect a politician.
It's not that.
We want to protect our constitution.
And President Bolsonaro, our constitution was completely ripped apart when it comes to President Bolsonaro.
He doesn't have a fair trial or a due process.
He's not supposed to be judged by Moraes or any of the Supreme Court justices because he's not even our president anymore.
And the persecution is absolutely amazing.
The other day, they sent the federal police, which is the FBI in Brazil, to a raid in his house.
And then you see these things only in the movies.
And then an officer asked President Bolsonaro to use the bathroom.
And then all of a sudden, Mr. Bennon, this officer comes up, comes out with a pen drive.
Like, oh, look what I found in the bathroom.
And then immediately, President Bolsonaro said, this is not my pen drive.
I don't recognize this pen drive.
So my point is, there has been so much fishing expedition in every page of this so-called coup d'état process.
They already convicted President Bolsonaro.
And his sentence is already written down and signed by Alejandro de Moraes that now is doubly down after the Magnitsky Act being signed.
and I fear for my country, Mr. Bennon.
I fear because we no longer have a democracy there.
steve bannon
And where can people get you on social media?
Where can they get your podcast, man?
We'll definitely have you back on.
In fact, I think we're going to stream some of these protests on Sunday.
We'll be covering it.
So, where do people in the interim get you?
Find you.
ana paula henkel
Oh, you can find me on XGetter, Instagram, Anna Paula Hanko.
And I look forward to coming back, Mr. Bennon.
And I have to thank you for having me and putting some light on what's happening in Brazil because we need to shine light to the world what's happening because our democracy is gone and Lula is in bed with Iranians, with Marxists like the Cubans, Nicaragua, and African dictators.
So we're very grateful to have you on our side, sir.
steve bannon
Well, we're grateful, everybody's grateful for the great freedom fighters you have in Brazil, and you're one of the tops.
If it wasn't for the young people like yourself doing this, this fight would be over.
Thank you so much.
Looking forward to having you back.
You see the arrogance of Marius?
He gets a OFAC, he gets these major sanctions.
He just spits right back in the eye of President Trump.
I'm telling you, Lula and your government, President Trump is never going to back off this.
So I guess you've made your decision, or you're making your decision, but I guarantee we'll end in tears for you guys.
Short commercial break.
Jerry Garcia will take us out.
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