July 28, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This afternoon. | ||
| One thing is that there was a reporter that actually, I'll get to this in a while, a reporter that actually tweeted out when I was having a meeting. | ||
| This was after Brian Harrison came on about the redistricting in Texas and not being off to the best foot. | ||
| A reporter, and I'll put it up here in a minute, tweeted out that Hakeem Jeffries was actually going to Austin, Texas at the state capitol to make a presentation on Wednesday. | ||
| That's how important the Democrats are. | ||
| They view this redistricting or shutting it down. | ||
| I'll get more to that. | ||
| Big development out of the courts today about the Federal Reserve, also the trade deals, all of it. | ||
| We've got a great cold open. | ||
| Let's go ahead and hit it. | ||
| You know, I always watch and see who buys the New York Post because it tells me the people want an alternative to people like you or me, right? | ||
| They want an alternative. | ||
| They want the Trumpian view. | ||
| And maybe they want to expose themselves to the Trumpian view so they can expose the weaknesses they've got. | ||
| But also, to be honest with you, the country is moving towards Trump. | ||
| These polls that come out and show him not doing well, I don't buy that. | ||
| I think his strength is still greater than Democratic strength. | ||
| He is a stronger public figure than the Democratic people. | ||
| I mean, Obama still has tremendous charisma, but Trump has strength. | ||
| And I think that's what all voters look for. | ||
| But they want a president who's a strong figure. | ||
| And he's got it. | ||
| And he can, you know, it's just there. | ||
| And half the country buys it. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Do you think he'll go for a third term? | ||
| No, the Constitution won't permit it. | ||
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On this deal, the European Union, this is a big win for the U.S. And if you look at where these was three, four weeks ago, you could see that there was a lot of hardball towards the end there. | |
| It's a triumph of a lot of things. | ||
| Certainly the president ought to take a victory lap. | ||
| I think it ends up being good for the European Union. | ||
| It's a blow against the conventional wisdom, which, of course, in the last quarter saw a lot of this as disastrous. | ||
| The markets see the fact of the deal and the ratification of trade and the expansion of trade as the most important thing. | ||
| And number one. | ||
| Number two, I think there's a situation here where, as you've alluded to in your questioning with Tyler, that the geopolitical element of this also remains front and center. | ||
| Whether we're talking about the continued interdependence of the U.S. and European Union economies, or whether we're talking about investments in the United States and purchases of military equipment, you're seeing a tightening of the alliance, and I think, frankly, an attempt by both parties to push back a bit against China. | ||
| But the weaponization of intelligence agencies to pull that off brings on an entirely different problem. | ||
| And if the Democrats are found to have been guilty of this, really creating this story, that's not good. | ||
| Because you have a whole bunch of people skeptical about politics to begin with. | ||
| And you got to remember, Trump is in office because he's considered the anti-politician. | ||
| His behavior, his mannerisms, his language, his verbiage, his actions to some degree are very apolitical. | ||
| It's not typically what you see from conventional politicians on Capitol Hill. | ||
| And then when you think about how they went after him and they engaged in lawfare to take him down, the 34 felony counts and convictions and all of this other stuff, they're going to say, see, see, he wasn't guilty of any of this stuff. | ||
| They did everything they could to derail him from being the president because the mission was to keep him from getting back into the White House. | ||
| It wasn't that he did this or did that. | ||
| They're going to say it's all a hoax. | ||
| They're going to bring up the Hunter Biden scandal with the whole laptop controversy. | ||
| And they're going to say from 2016 to 2020 to 2024, each and every single time they were lying. | ||
| And they were engaging in unsavory style behavior that adds credence to the argument that we've been making against them. | ||
| There's no truth to any of this stuff. | ||
| They just wanted to derail the presidency. | ||
| Number 45. | ||
| And they wanted to big up Biden. | ||
| And they're going to point out how when he was on stage, as one pundit said, looking like an elderly individual in a nursing home waiting for his applesauce, but they were talking about him like he was lucid and cogent and alert and all of this other stuff. | ||
| They're going to point that out. | ||
| See Jim Jordan on the air the other night? | ||
| You see these reporters? | ||
| I mean, they're not playing. | ||
| This is not going away. | ||
| I remember I, along with probably most people, was saying at the beginning, oh, you know, by the 4th of July, somebody had a thing how the country was, the economy was going to be tanked by then. | ||
| And I was kind of like, well, that seems right to me, but that didn't happen. | ||
| Now, it could happen tomorrow. | ||
| I'm just saying that's reality. | ||
| So let's work first from the reality of that, not from I just hate Donald Trump, because that's boring and doesn't get us anywhere and leads you to dishonesty. | ||
| Because the truth is, I don't know what his strategy is. | ||
| But look, the stock market is at record highs. | ||
| I know not everybody lives by the stock market, but I also drive around. | ||
| I don't see a country in a depression at all. | ||
| I see people out there just living their lives. | ||
| And I would have thought, and I got to own it, that these tariffs were going to sink this economy by this time. | ||
| And they didn't. | ||
| So, you know, how do we deal with that fact? | ||
| Because that's the fact. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Everyone's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| Mega Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| It's Monday, 28 July, Year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| On the economic side, President Trump, as we have said from Liberation Day for years and years and years before then about trade, protectionism, tariffs, all of it, really starting to get some momentum here and close big deals, fill up the Treasury's coffers with tariff money and start to see investments and people bringing back high-value added manufacturing jobs here. | ||
| So that's the economic part. | ||
| Then you have a finance part and breaking news today from federal courts about the Federal Reserve. | ||
| James Fishback joins us. | ||
| When we left you, I think on Thursday, James, Friday, you were getting ready to go to court. | ||
| On Monday, you went to court. | ||
| Give us some breaking news, sir. | ||
| Good afternoon, Steve. | ||
| We just learned that Obama Judge Beryl Howell has not granted our temporary restraining order to force open tomorrow's Federal Reserve meeting. | ||
| We did get two huge wins. | ||
| The Federal Reserve asked to dismiss our case. | ||
| That was swiftly denied, denied by a judge who was appointed by President Obama. | ||
| So we were thankful for that. | ||
| And the second win, and I couldn't even believe this, Steve, that it happened, but the Federal Reserve revealed something in open court that we didn't even know about. | ||
| That legally speaking, tomorrow's Federal Reserve meeting is actually a joint meeting of two separate legal entities. | ||
| The first of which is the Federal Open Market Committee, the FOMC, Steve, that sets the interest rates in the entire economy. | ||
| The second entity is the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve. | ||
| Now, why does that matter? | ||
| Why does it matter this joint meeting? | ||
| Because the Board of Governors, their lawyers conceded in federal court today, is actually subject to the transparency mandates of public observation from the Sunshine Act. | ||
| And so when you have a joint meeting between a entity like the Board of Governors that is subject and an entity that is not subject, the FOMC, the entire meeting becomes subject to the Sunshine Act. | ||
| I looked to our counsel at our table in the court today, and we just could not believe that the Federal Reserve admitted that in open court, something that we were not even privy to, that these meetings are being held as joint meetings, which mean they are absolutely subject to the transparency disclosures of the Sunshine Act. | ||
| Steve, you and the war room audience knows this well. | ||
| The Federal Reserve is among the most powerful economic institutions in the country. | ||
| And without a doubt, it is the least transparent and least accountable. | ||
| We are changing that. | ||
| Today was a win for our fight. | ||
| We had no illusions about how easy this would be, but we're not going to end the Fed in one day. | ||
| And I'm grateful for our attorneys and our entire team at Azoria for the win that we had today in court. | ||
| James, I would actually argue it's probably, it's one of the most powerful in the world, maybe the most powerful. | ||
| But I want to just pull the camera back for a second on the case itself. | ||
| You went in for a Hail Mary, a TRO to stop tomorrow or to make it transparent. | ||
| You said she did not dismiss the case, which is what the Fed really wanted. | ||
| Walk through what actually is your case. | ||
| What is your beef? | ||
| What are you trying to put forward to the federal courts that you want to achieve for the American people, sir? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, as you know, Steve, getting a TRO, a temporary restraining order against the federal government is very, very hard. | ||
| Unless, of course, you're an illegal immigrant suing President Trump to stay in our country and to steal more from us. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's very hard to do that, to hold the government accountable. | ||
| But our case, Steve, is premised on a very simple theory. | ||
| In 1976, Republicans and Democrats got together and passed something called the Government in the Sunshine Act, that recognizing the best way to bring accountability to our government is to illuminate the public acts of public men so we could all see what's going on. | ||
| For the past 50 years, the Federal Reserve has decided not to adhere to the Sunshine Act. | ||
| That means that the public, whether you're Republican or Democrat, could not observe the Federal Reserve's proceedings. | ||
| They could not truly know why the Fed was doing what it's doing. | ||
| One decision, for example, is why on earth the Federal Reserve is keeping interest rates and in turn mortgage rates near a quarter century high, despite the fact that President Trump is delivering the lowest inflation in four years on top of trade deals that are delivering for American workers and businesses, on top of the fact that for the past five months, headline core inflation, headline CPI inflation rather, has come in better than expected, lower than expected. | ||
| And so none of it makes any sense. | ||
| The problem is that we can't understand why the Federal Reserve is making its decisions because unlike the FTC or the FCC, the Federal Reserve is not listening to federal law and holding its meetings to public observation. | ||
| You cannot criticize the federal government if you don't know what the federal government is actually up to. | ||
| And so our ability to redress our grievances to the Federal Reserve and point out, I believe, there are obvious attempts to undermine President Trump and the 80 million of us who supported him in the last election, that that is in itself an egregious violation of federal law. | ||
| We cannot change course for the Fed and get them to bring down interest rates if we don't know what's actually going on behind the curtain. | ||
| And so today was a TRO attempt to block tomorrow's meeting from being in secret. | ||
| The judge did not grant that attempt, but also the judge did not allow the Fed to dismiss their case. | ||
| That was swiftly shut down from a judge of all people appointed by President Barack Obama. | ||
| And so I'm grateful for our hearing today. | ||
| And let's see what happens. | ||
| But we are very quickly reviewing our options because we've got something here with this admission from the Federal Reserve, its own lawyer, that tomorrow and Wednesday's Fed meeting is actually a joint meeting between that and an entity that would be covered by the Sunshine Act, which would force it to be open to public observation and in turn, public criticism. | ||
| No government institution is beyond reproach, and that's what we stand for at Azoria. | ||
| James, we've got a minute or two here, and I'd like to just keep you over for a minute, maybe, on this answer. | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the government argue, or not the government, the Federal Reserve argued in trying to combat the TRO that your request to have this open and have transparency and how the American people view it would be detrimental to the task, the underlying task of the Federal Reserve? | ||
| They argue that it would cause, quote, irreparable harm to our nation's economy, end quote. | ||
| Irreparable harm, Steve. | ||
| The only irreparable harm that's being caused by any of this is Jerome Powell's Federal Reserve trying to use his awesome position to undermine the duly elected president of the United States. | ||
| The only irreparable harm is keeping interest rates and mortgage rates by extension near 25-year highs, denying hundreds of thousands of Americans every single month their ability to buy a home. | ||
| Steve, if you can't buy a home because you can't get a mortgage, you can't start or grow your family. | ||
| What the Federal Reserve is doing is literally anti-American because it's stopping millions of our citizens from starting or growing their families because they can't get a mortgage. | ||
| And as a result of that, they cannot get a home. | ||
| And so this is about bringing real accountability. | ||
| We did that first with our anti-DEI ETF, SPXM. | ||
| We are doing that today with Azoria V. Powell. | ||
| It is the first step in a battle. | ||
| Steve, I got to tell you the truth. | ||
| Your motivation, your words keep us motivated in this fight. | ||
| The war room audience keeps us motivated in this fight. | ||
| It won't be easy, but I believe we will prevail and bring real accountability to this institution that has failed Americans for too long. | ||
| James, social media, where do people keep up with you, sir? | ||
| James Fishback, J underscore Fishback at X. And you can go to investazoria.com to learn more about our anti-DEI ETF. | ||
| The ticker there, Steve, is S-P-X-M. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Great job today in court. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Back in the warroom in just a moment. | ||
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| Don't Democrats, though, have to secure their base before they can secure the major election in the entire country? | ||
| They do, but this is a significant change from eight years ago. | ||
| The way the Democrats, broadly speaking, viewed Donald Trump eight years ago was that he was an aberration. | ||
| That the way Joe Biden talked about, frankly, is that you beat him in 2020 and the Trump legacy is going to be erased. | ||
| His style of politics is going to vanish. | ||
| Republicans are going to have a fever break, as Barack Obama said, for quite a while. | ||
| And the country will change. | ||
| And They no longer think that, and they're not having a press conference and saying we don't think this anymore. | ||
| You're seeing it in these sorts of actions where there are tactics they admit Donald Trump uses very well that are not going to voters and showing them a chart that proves the Democrats are correct, that are grabbing attention, that are being insulting, that are being mean. | ||
| I'd recommend reading that whole profile, and everything else will link it up to your rights. | ||
| But some of what Crockett has done has been insulting in ways that Democrats usually apologize for, like calling Governor Abbott and Texas Governor Hot Wheels. | ||
| And she didn't apologize. | ||
| She kind of explained that she wasn't talking about his disability. | ||
| But that is the sort of attitude the Democrats used to say, that's not us, that's Trump. | ||
| We are a different party. | ||
| Because they lost the last election to Trump, they don't have the confidence anymore that their style of politics is, one, going to win and, two, effective. | ||
| That is slowly changing how they operate. | ||
| You have a couple of things going on here. | ||
| Number one, they are reaching all-time lows as far as the party goes in polling from the American people, I think, in the mid to low 30s. | ||
| So they're in a ditch. | ||
| They're in a hole. | ||
| However, they do have like Mondami in New York, and that's not really, that's this new even more radical, if you can believe it or not, even more radical than Obama, or kind of the offsprings of Obama and Obama's tenure. | ||
| You now have what I call the red-green merger, Marxism, neo-Marxism with radical jihad. | ||
| And you're seeing this sprout up all over. | ||
| Other candidates are coming up. | ||
| That's where they've got some momentum and that's where they got some heat, not to get majorities, but in these areas like in New York City, where he's running against a couple of candidates, this guy can, you know, win with 40% or 44%, 45%. | ||
| At the same time, I think they're poised for a big win in Texas unless somebody gets their act together. | ||
| I spent the afternoon with different people in Texas on this very problem and that with the Democrats being shattered because they now realize that the MAGA movement is here to stay and only going to grow and get bigger. | ||
| That's why President Trump's our leader. | ||
| And one of the reasons I support President Trump for 28, and I think there's many different ways you can do that, is that this is a reformulation of American politics like 1932 and the coalition we're putting together is very broad and very deep. | ||
| But they need a victory. | ||
| And I think they're going to see a victory down in Texas and people in Texas at the senior levels. | ||
| And I'm talking Abbott and Patrick. | ||
| Let's be blunt about these guys. | ||
| On two big issues down in Texas. | ||
| Number one, the impeachment of General Paxton, Attorney General Paxton. | ||
| They were very weak until the war room and other grassroots organizations got together and had a firestorm after the House impeached him. | ||
| This is in the Senate trial. | ||
| And even then, Lieutenant Governor Patrick was kind of trying to play both sides against the middle or trying to have it both ways until we helped create a firestorm with other folks. | ||
| And of course, he was impeached, but he was not removed from office. | ||
| And now he's up, I don't know, 20 points in a Senate race in the early days of it and raising a ton of money for the United States Senate against a rhino, one of the hardest rhino incumbents, Cornyn. | ||
| The other was the border. | ||
| I mean, everything Abbott did was just purely performative. | ||
| If even that, we would have Todd Bensman on here. | ||
| Remember, they'd be down there and taking the barbed wire down that we were trying to get up. | ||
| That local sheriffs and local people were putting up. | ||
| The Texas state authorities were horrific until we put the spotlight on because neither Abbott or Patrick can take the heat. | ||
| You put the spotlight on them, they're going to heave too. | ||
| This situation in, you know, and I think President Trump and other people associated with it are kind of banking these five seats. | ||
| They're counting on these five seats. | ||
| This is one of the reasons DeSantis jumped in here. | ||
| DeSantis said, hey, this is politically, you know, Abbott could be a competitor to mine. | ||
| If he gets those five seats or when he gets those five seats, I better be there too. | ||
| He's up, you know, he's come forward with five seats for redistricting. | ||
| And now there's talk in commerce and other places that, hey, maybe we just do a mid-decade census because you can do it. | ||
| Doesn't say you can't do it. | ||
| You just have to do one every 10 years. | ||
| You go back and do another one in 2030. | ||
| Now, that won't help for 26. | ||
| I think that would be too late. | ||
| You need these redistrictings and the Democrats smell blood. | ||
| If you put the tweet up during these meetings I was having, a reporter down in Texas actually tweeted out, and I don't think we followed up. | ||
| We haven't tracked down the news story, just the tweet that Hakeem Jeffries is going to go and be in Austin on Wednesday. | ||
| This past week, it's a four-week special session, and they have all kinds of stuff to do, and they're in some bizarro fight on hemp and THC. | ||
| And is the beer lobby supporting this? | ||
| Because you're going to get liquidity. | ||
| Hey, that's just like vested interest. | ||
| With Patrick and Abbott, and Abbott's got one group of guys, and another guy's got the beer guys. | ||
| That's all crap. | ||
| Okay, that's all crap. | ||
| You've got the country on the line right here. | ||
| They have other big issues in Texas too, like property tax, et cetera. | ||
| But the country's on the line on this thing. | ||
| And there's got to be some focus. | ||
| And I mean senior level focus. | ||
| And Hakeem Jeffries going down to the Chris, they smell blood. | ||
| The very first week, they've turned this over to Radical Democrats, which I know your head's blowing up. | ||
| How could you have Radical Democrats down in Texas? | ||
| But you've got a lot of them. | ||
| And I'm talking from the Crockett school and farther left, the Mandami school. | ||
| And you've got folks down there, they're smelling blood. | ||
| And that's why Hakeem Jeffries, Hakeem Jeffries is not going down to help their cause. | ||
| Hakeem Jeffries is going to go down to take credit for a scalp because he's a brother that needs some help right now because he's taking incoming all over. | ||
| But hey, you don't really, the part of the party you represent is all the D.C. New York branch, and you guys are stiffs. | ||
| And we need the Mondamis and we need the Crocketts. | ||
| You just heard Dave Weigel right there. | ||
| Dave Weigel has been following the MA movement or the predecessor to that, the Tea Party movement with Andrew Breitbart and everybody, I don't know, for 10, 12, 14 years. | ||
| And he can See it right there. | ||
| Hakeem Jeffries. | ||
| Now, we haven't seen a follow-on news report, but there's something going on big in Texas. | ||
| These Democrats, last week they had, somebody told me they had 100 witnesses, constitutional, demographic. | ||
| And what are they doing? | ||
| They're calling the Texas legislature, and people want to see this. | ||
| Oh, they're racist, they're nativists, they're all Trump. | ||
| You can't rest on your laurels. | ||
| One of the things about this process of history, it's active every day. | ||
| Something's happening every day. | ||
| If you want to get involved in this and say, hey, it's too much. | ||
| Didn't we win? | ||
| A win is only another point on the board to go forward to another part of the process. | ||
| Yes, President Trump won by 14 points in November. | ||
| It was monumental. | ||
| It was historic. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| But you got the source kid, the punk, right? | ||
| Uma Abadin's significant other. | ||
| I think he's committed another couple of hundred million dollars to go back into Texas. | ||
| And they've done some smart analysis. | ||
| Number one, they see there's an establishment down there that is basically the Bush faction, the same thing we fought at the border, the same thing we fought in the impeachment, are not Trump people. | ||
| And they're sitting there going, oh, if they're going to call us racist and nativist, maybe we shouldn't do it. | ||
| Well, hey, the reason you won by 14 points, Hispanic citizens, Hispanic American citizens are the ones that have your back. | ||
| This is why more than ever we should be there trying to use any tool you can to properly represent the people. | ||
| In my instance, they haven't put the maps out. | ||
| I heard the maps are coming Saturday, and they could have a vote as early as next Tuesday, which would be in the beginning of the third week of this. | ||
| Regardless, we've got to see some maps. | ||
| Now, I've already seen a proposed map or a first cover map from Ron DeSantis, and hey, the DeSantis are what they're talking about in Florida. | ||
| Man, they get rid of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a whole Moskowitz and a whole bunch of them, right? | ||
| Because the demographics have changed. | ||
| The country's going through a rapid change from the pandemic. | ||
| People are looking for freedom. | ||
| People are looking for opportunities. | ||
| Now, big tech is making investments in other places. | ||
| And yes, it's drawn a lot of liberals and a lot of, as we say in Virginia, Yankees. | ||
| But you got a ton of good folks moving to these places. | ||
| So I'm fully supportive of a mid-decade census right now. | ||
| That being said, you have in Florida, Missouri, Ohio, and Texas, I think, 12 to 14 seats may be available. | ||
| And that might be the difference. | ||
| The Texas alone may be the difference of President Trump, they're trying to impeach him. | ||
| Hakeem Jeffries ain't going down there for his looks. | ||
| Okay, he's going down there to, one, put the shoulder to a wheel of, but also to make sure he gets credit for this. | ||
| They smell blood. | ||
| This is just like up here. | ||
| I said today, I broke it today, that you can tell what the Senate's going to do. | ||
| The Senate's going to drop a big, oh, they're pretending right now, go home in the next couple of days and come back and drop a massive omnibus bill that the Republican senators have worked with the Democrats, and they're going to put it out in the third week of September and say, suck on this. | ||
| We know what the appropriation is done. | ||
| President Trump is on a roll, doesn't want to shut down his government. | ||
| So this is what we got to keep the government open. | ||
| At the same time, no rescissions. | ||
| You heard today, I put up today early from the Hill. | ||
| Oh, they're afraid of pocket rescissions. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it cuts spending, and they don't want to intimidate the Democrats. | ||
| Well, hey, we either run this deal or we don't. | ||
| Also, they're taking off. | ||
| We just this afternoon got the first federal judge, I think, confirm Emma Bovey in the next 24, 48 hours. | ||
| But these guys are taking off. | ||
| Mike Lee sat there and said, hey, we need 1, I think, 35 people confirmed. | ||
| They got to stay here till they do that. | ||
| My point is Johnson and Thune got to quit playing games, and we have to have a real recess. | ||
| And let's have some recess appointments that give us a year, a mass confirmations, right? | ||
| Or at least appointments that take a year and then you can work through the system. | ||
| President Trump needs his team. | ||
| Look at the work they're doing with really, as they say, there's used to say in the Civil War, you're going into battle with one boot on. | ||
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| Look, our audience knows this thanks to you and thanks to Devin Nunez. | ||
| Our audience is well aware of what took place here, but we want to see accountability. | ||
| Many of the statute of limitations have expired. | ||
| It's been almost 10 years for many of these folks who did this. | ||
| But John Brennan testified to Congress, and so did Hillary Clinton, within five years. | ||
| I think it was in 2020 and then again in 2021. | ||
| Are those statute of limitations still live? | ||
| Tell me if, in fact, we could see a criminal prosecution here, as you just the other day, three weeks ago, have in fact referred criminal referrals to the DOJ. | ||
| Well, Maria, so part of what came out last week was about how John Brennan, Clapper, Comey, they all pushed the known fake steel dossier into intelligence community assessments and as the basis for crossfire hurricane and all that. | ||
| But what hasn't come out yet and what's going to come out is the underlying intelligence that I have spent the last few months making recommendations about final declassification and sent that to the Department of Justice that will come out in the John Durham report, Classified Annex. | ||
| And what that intelligence shows, Maria, is that part of this was a Hillary Clinton plan, but part of it was an FBI plan to be an accelerant to that fake steel dossier, to those fake Russia collusion claims by pouring oil on the fire, by amplifying the lie and burying the truth of what Hillary Clinton was up to. | ||
| And you're right, Maria. | ||
| John Brennan testified to John Durham in August of 2020. | ||
| He also testified to the House Oversight Committee in 2022. | ||
| Hillary Clinton testified before John Durham under oath in 2022. | ||
| James Comey testified before the Senate Committee in September 2020. | ||
| All of that's within the last five years. | ||
| And much of that testimony is, frankly, completely inconsistent with what our underlying intelligence that is about to be declassified in the Durham annex what that reflects. | ||
| And so, you know, Pam Bandi does have a strike force. | ||
| It is a different Department of Justice, a different FBI, and an opportunity to look at how these people really did conspire to run a hoax, a fraud on the American people and against Donald Trump's presidency. | ||
| And so coming forward, we understand that they did this, but now we need to understand how they did this. | ||
| And I think that's why you see the left losing their minds over this, Maria, saying, why are you spending time? | ||
| This is vindictive. | ||
| You're going back. | ||
| This is Donald Trump seeking retribution. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Donald Trump's election by the American people was a statement, Maria. | ||
| They said to everyone, we know what you did to Donald Trump, and we re-elected him because we know this was all fake. | ||
| We know it was a hoax. | ||
| Now we want to understand how you did it so that it can't happen again. | ||
| And that's what this declassification process that we're undergoing right now, what's going on, why it's so important, and why there can be accountability and preventability to prevent these same people that did it in 2016 with the steel dossier, with the Hunter Biden laptop in 2020 from doing it again in the future. | ||
| Accountability and preventability. | ||
| That's John Radcliffe right there. | ||
| He also, one of the many buried leads there was he reconfirmed that there is a strike force at DOJ and the FBI now being put together under Pam Bondi to make sure we get from the information and the raw data to the perp walks to the indictments. | ||
| Eric Prince joins us. | ||
| Eric, and you, Eric, you were a big target of this. | ||
| In fact, I got to tell a funny story to start off. | ||
| Eric, you're overseas somewhere, you're flying back. | ||
| They tell you you got to go to the house intel down in the skiff. | ||
| And, you know, most of us got these lawyers and we're like spending days and weeks going through everything so we make sure that they, because they're going to try to get us in perjury traps. | ||
| Eric Prince comes in, and this is when Paul Ryan took Nunez off and basically took Cash and Derek Harvey, who were the two senior staff guys off, and let Trey Gowdy run it, who basically turned it over to Shifty Shift and Eric Swalwell. | ||
| So it was a star chamber. | ||
| Princess shows up, gets off the plane, says, oh, they wanted to tell him, I said, well, you could delay that. | ||
| Weeks, no, no, I'm just going to go over you. | ||
| You go over by yourself and you get grilled for like, I don't know, nine hours, and they were none the wiser. | ||
| Eric, they targeted you. | ||
| How big a deal is this going to be? | ||
| And Steve, that was after 14 hours of flying coach back from the Middle East. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Well, talk about that for a second. | ||
| You were targeted. | ||
| Of course, General Flynn was targeted. | ||
| I was targeted. | ||
| There were tons of people targeted. | ||
| They were coming for the president. | ||
| Today, this is just not about perjury. | ||
| These guys perjuring themselves. | ||
| This cuts to the core of the deep state and how they essentially tried a coup d'état against President Trump in his first terms, sir. | ||
| The whole Mueller investigation, it was such a weaponization of the security apparatus because the story they were trying to create was that I was there in the Seychelles creating a back channel to the Russians somehow to affect the 2016 election. | ||
| But they ignore the fact that that meeting happened in January when Trump had already been elected. | ||
| And the fact that they leaked four months later all the intercepts, the illegal weaponization of the intelligence apparatus is really disgusting. | ||
| And there needs to be accountability because that's how a Stasi gets built. | ||
| And that's the kind of stuff that kicks off a revolution because eventually people are not going to take that kind of abuse. | ||
| So yes, there has to be accountability. | ||
| And good on Tulsi for sticking her head above the parapet and saying, this is wrong. | ||
| And we're going to show that it's wrong. | ||
| My concern about the DCI, about Ratcliffe, is where is the wholesale firing of the tens of thousands of extraneous nonsense employees at the CIA? | ||
| That is the fastest organization that should be, can be reformed in Washington because civil service rules don't apply. | ||
| You could correct many of the wrongs of that place in a weekend by firing lots and lots of people. | ||
| Let's go to that because the CIA is the center. | ||
| And of course, Ratcliffe there was throwing the FBI, essentially throwing the FBI under the bus. | ||
| So they want to put up kind of a smokescreen here. | ||
| But let's go to that. | ||
| The CIA was central, Brennan Central. | ||
| And people should know because it's an ongoing conspiracy. | ||
| All this thing about statute limitations and you're going back years, it's active and involved today. | ||
| What would be the Eric Prince plan? | ||
| If you want to start taking apart the deep state, where would you start, Eric, and how would you start? | ||
| Well, there's such corruption and incompetence that is covered, cloaked in overclassification. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard is right to declassify millions and millions of documents on this and let the bright light of truth disinfect the nonsense. | ||
| Second, you have the same amount of actual case officers now as we did in the early 80s. | ||
| But the fact is the administrative support staff and the analysts and all the other bodies that have made the intelligence community so obese, that's gone up like six or eightfold. | ||
| I would cut that so severely, people would be shocked. | ||
| So yeah, you could do a 60, 70% headcount reduction in the CIA in very short term, and the place would be much better for it. | ||
| Because you'd actually have people that are focused on collecting intelligence, not process. | ||
| It's not, well, one of the reasons it's bigger is what they're focused on collecting is here in the united states they're like the praetorian guard i mean when you have this what they call the interagency process where you have the people secunded from all the different you know and you had to go up against the afghan thing which i'll talk about in a minute uh you have all the nsc which you know is 250 290 now president trump's cut it by at least a third he's going to go for two-thirds in the bid in the biden era in the biden era that the nsc had gotten up to like 800 | ||
| It's insanity. | ||
| The NSA should be 150 people. | ||
| Cut the whole thing down to size and we'll actually have a more responsive, effective, accountable government. | ||
| Isn't the CIA so big? | ||
| When you give so many bureaucrats so much power and so little accountability, what they say, the old saying, an idle mind is a devil's workshop. | ||
| You've allowed people that are not mission-focused to be focused on weaponizing their political – using the whole apparatus as a weapon against their political opponents. | ||
| That's exactly what we're going through right now. | ||
| Isn't that what they've done? | ||
| I mean, isn't – the growth in the CIA is for running the interagency process and making sure you have CIA-affiliated people at the Pentagon, at the FBI, at the Justice Department. | ||
| They can say DNI has 17 or 18 and the CIA is one of them, but the CIA – it's the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and CENCOM are the three most powerful institutions in this city. | ||
| Do you agree with that, sir? | ||
| Certainly, the CIA has the unique authorities that it should be – look, the CIA, we need actually a healthy, robust, clever intelligence apparatus, and we don't. | ||
| We have – it's like the office, that sitcom. | ||
| And because you've hired so many unserious people into the process. | ||
| And I just plead with the CIA leadership, please cut that place down to size, save the money, and spend it on actually collecting intelligence. | ||
| Because if you don't come at the intelligence – if you don't come at the intelligence business with a bit of a criminal mindset, because you're inducing your – someone from the other side to sell out their friends or to sell out their country. | ||
| If you don't come at the intelligence, you're in the wrong business. | ||
| If you don't come at the intelligence, you're in the wrong business. | ||
| And the kind of covert action that we should be doing against the Chinese Communist Party should keep them on their back heels so that DOD doesn't have to worry as much about a war starting. | ||
| But instead, we have this apparatus that's come to behave more like a Stasi between an unaccountable CIA and an unaccountable FBI. | ||
| I feel badly for Cash Patel and Dan Bongino trying to wrangle the FBI into compliance with actually the Constitution because of all the civil service rules that protect FBI agents. | ||
| The CIA, however, doesn't have those civil service protections that is a byproduct of the original 1947 Intelligence Act intentionally to keep it a lean, responsive, capable organization. | ||
| But it has become the opposite. | ||
| What would you tell – we've got a minute here on this side of the break. | ||
| What would you tell Ratcliffe today he should do? | ||
| Fire the bottom 40 percent of the people and unload most of the contracted positions as well. | ||
| Start. | ||
| The fact is during COVID when only 20 percent of the building was showing up, the net collection and quality of intelligence went up substantially. | ||
| What does that tell you? | ||
| You have way, way, way too many bodies, way too many people with clearances. | ||
| It's just way too much nonsense. | ||
| And that's why any actual good intelligence also gets leaked because there's just too many people that are in that circle of knowledge. | ||
| You mentioned that they had given your – I want the answer on the other side. | ||
| We're going to go to commercial break. | ||
| But you mentioned that four months after the fact they leaked the intercepts they had – they were, I guess, illegally taking on you. | ||
| They leaked the intercepts to the media. | ||
| I mean this entire process of breaking the deep state. | ||
| We've got to go after the Langley bugle, which is what we call the Washington Post here. | ||
| The David Ignatius is of the world. | ||
| The CIA has many, many media partners that are even deeper than what you saw going – the FBI going to Twitter. | ||
| I mean these are people essentially on the payroll that are basically CIA assets in the mainstream media that are there to like suppress things on, I don't know, the Warren Commission, everything the CIA has been up to. | ||
| Eric Prince is going to be on the other side. | ||
| He's been a target of this for years and one of the reasons – one of the reasons – | ||
| the smartest guys in national security and a big mega supporter of president trump birchgold.com they're still coming after the u.s dollar de-dollarization process just put up a chart on getter that shows uh how the chinese cameras party is not buying oil from us anymore natural gas they're buying it from both russia and the persians birchgold.com slash bandon the end of the dollar empire understand the de-dollarization process president trump does here's | ||
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Your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| So, Eric, I'm going to get back to the deep state in a second, and maybe we'll do that at the top of the hour. | ||
| Eric's going to stick around with us for at least part of the second hour. | ||
| Eric, the Financial Times today broke an exclusive story that the president of Taiwan was going to stop in JFK and, I guess, switch planes, have a stayover, and the United States had canceled that. | ||
| That's something we've been allowing the Taiwanese presidents to do, whether they're going to Latin America and stopping in Houston or in Dallas, DFW, or in Kennedy if they're going to Europe. | ||
| But then moments ago, there was a leak of a senior official saying, hey, we're trying to work something out that's not 100% correct, and you're going to see something that's going to be, I guess, very positive in this regard. | ||
| President Trump has alluded to the fact that he's got Besant over in Sweden right now negotiating with the Chinese Congress, a couple of days and they wanted to keep things on track your thoughts sir everything the chinese do is all about slicing this the sausage, all about advancing their purpose by the inch, by the yard, whether it's building islands in the South China Sea, | ||
| doing border adjustments, stealing intellectual property, or constantly whining and bitching about anything to do with Taiwan. | ||
| Yet, you know, they don't want the status quo. | ||
| They want to constantly advance their position. | ||
| And so the United States, at minimum, should say, F right off. | ||
| Taiwan can stop here for fuel anytime they want because that's been the status quo and that will continue because we do like to trade with people that respect human rights and speech and votes and all the rest. | ||
| And we don't like dealing with a Chinese Communist Party that is all about a centralized dictatorship. | ||
| So we just need to be consistent with that. | ||
| We need to stand up to all the money, the lobbying, the influence operations that they push and say, nope, Taiwan, carry on and continue. | ||
| At the same time, from Taiwan, we need to lever them hard to replicate their chip fabs, their high-end chip production capability in the United States. | ||
| That is in our strategic interest. | ||
| In terms of Taiwan's defense, Taiwan needs to step up and spend money the right way, not the stupid way, on their defense. | ||
| I understand they've just bought a bunch of Abrams tanks and they're going to bury them along the beach as embedded pill boxes. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't get any, So again, a home guard is the thing that would deter an invasion of Taiwan because Xi cannot count on an extra 600, 700,000 armed Taiwanese people that just say not today, | ||
| and they stand up and defend their neighborhood, their block, their district, and turn Taiwan into an urban Chechnya-like hellhole for the very untested Chinese military. | ||
| I think it was 12 years ago, I remember, sir, 12 years ago, you came on Breitbart Radio when they had an incident in the East China Sea with Japanese, Chinese fishing vessels and Japanese fishing vessels. | ||
| And the Chinese said, we're cutting you off, cutting Japan off from rare earths. | ||
| You came on and explained what rare earths are. | ||
| The FT today this morning has a story, and Oren Kantz joined us about these high-end chips. | ||
| I guess the second highest level, NVIDIA cells. | ||
| We've taken off some export controls. | ||
| One of the reasons that's happening, which we adamantly oppose, but one of the reasons it's happening, President Trump is having to balance the fact that the Chinese Communist Party has cut us off from the rare earths, particularly the processing and the magnets. | ||
| Now, I understand a little bit that's coming back, but is that still a strategic weakness of us, not the supply chains, but the fact that they still do all the processing of rare earths in the West has not really learned a lesson 12 years after they use it on the Japanese the first time? | ||
| Yes, that is a huge gap that we have. | ||
| The Mountain Pass, which is the one functioning rare earth mine in America, the offtake from that mine actually goes to China to be processed. | ||
| This is something where the free market is great to a certain extent, but when you have a nation-state opponent that is subverting the free market in every way, they have subsidized and captured and dominated the processing of minerals, of rare earth minerals, to the point of more than 90% of the world supply. | ||
| And they've done that very much so to control that like a chokehold. | ||
| So I would advocate for the U.S., almost like a Manhattan project, to say we are going to build X, Y, and Z processing somewhere in the United States. | ||
| It's kind of a lot of those processes are dirty. | ||
| So fine. | ||
| Put them in a remote spot, maybe in Utah at Dugway Proving Ground, where they've had chemical weapons testing. | ||
| So you're never going to make condos there. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That becomes the center of processing for rare earth minerals. | ||
| And we carry on. | ||
| And in a period of four or five years, we have taken that issue off the table completely. | ||
| That's what we should be doing. | ||
| Alas, we are not. | ||
| Eric, can you hang on for a second? | ||
| I want to keep you for the six o'clock hour. | ||
| It looks like President Trump has thrown down with Putin a day and said, hey, look, I gave you 50 days. | ||
| We're about 40 away. | ||
| But upon further review, I think that should be 10 to 12. | ||
| Also, he broke today publicly with Netanyahu and said, hey, use the starvation word, the S-word about Gaza. | ||
| So it looks like inexorably, and I understand the IDF and the Israelis may come back with a plan that even more aggressively goes after the Muslim Brotherhood. | ||
| We'll talk with Eric Prince about that in a moment at the top of the six o'clock hour. | ||
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