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July 21, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4647: The Deciding Moment For America; "We Will Rebuild Japan"
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jim rickards
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steve bannon
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scott bessent
Joe, I think that what we need to do is examine the entire Federal Reserve institution and whether they have been successful.
I'm speaking, actually, I'm going to be in the building this evening.
There is a regulatory conference that begins tomorrow.
I'm the keynote speaker tonight talking about regulation.
The Fed as well deals with monetary policy, regulations, financial stability.
And again, I think that we should think, has the organization succeeded in its mission?
If this were the FAA and we were having this many mistakes, we would go back and look at why has this happened?
I mean, look at the, as you said at the top of this broadcast, there was fear-mongering over tariffs, and thus far, we have seen very little, if any, inflation.
We've had great inflation numbers.
So I think this idea of them not being able to break out of a certain mindset, all these PhDs over there, I don't know what they do.
I don't know what they do.
This is like universal basic income for academic economists.
steve bannon
For the audience, I know the audience thrives on action as you should.
You're the tip of the spear, the action-oriented part, the activist base that makes things happen, have historically made things happen and have led Trump, President Trump, been the foundational element of his magnificent wins.
You have two people I want to specifically discuss.
That is Tulsi Gabbert and Scott Besson.
As you know from years on the show, and Besson in particular, these are a safe pair of hands.
These are not people that run around with a heron fire.
They're very stable.
It's that theory, I think it was Isaiah Berlin, the philosopher.
You have the fox versus the hedgehog.
The hedgehog focuses on one thing and just grinds.
The fox skips around and is skipping around, right?
These people in that regard, on the philosophy are kind of hedgehog.
They get very focused and they grind.
I said, and I repeat this, the three most powerful institutions, I believe, in the Imperial Capital, in the Imperial Project are the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and CENTCOM.
Kind of the brains, the money, the brains and the network, the money and the muscle.
Right now, you have two of these individuals you have.
Tulsi Gabbard is really on a crusade to go after the CIA and the problem of the deep state, the intelligence communities, both foreign and domestic.
And I include in there MI6 and Mossad.
Okay?
Not just the five eyes.
The CIA, the MI6 has, although the British Empire has dramatically dropped as far as economic and financial power, given the power and reach of their empire, given what they did for the education process, are bringing people back to Oxford and Cambridge and all this and education and have them live in London, the imperial capital.
The British intelligence service is incredibly powerful.
They punch way above their weight.
And there you have Scott Besson.
Scott Besson, you know, President Trump has one, President Trump has a house style, right?
He's dropping body blows on Obama over the weekend.
He's all over too late, Pal J. Powell.
Scott Besson is very different.
It's very methodical, but he's going to get them.
And as we said for a long time, we don't even know why we have a Federal Reserve.
Certainly the way we have it now, that it's not owned by the American people.
It's kind of an independent agency, but it's not.
It's funded by the American people.
They're, I don't know, a trillion dollars of losses over there in their bond portfolio, yet they're building the second Versailles right in front of your face.
Rickards, I know you've got a lot to say about this topic, so I want to turn it over to you.
Scott Bessett is a very serious guy.
One of the reasons he was a contributor here for years, and I drew so close to Scott, now he's understanding capital markets.
He doesn't skip around.
He's boom.
He's very, very, very focused, and I thought would be the perfect Secretary of Treasury for President Trump, as it turned out he has been.
But right now, Scott Besson and President Trump basically are zeroing in on the Federal Reserve.
And what Scott said there this morning, which is so powerful, it's not simply about an individual, Jay Powell, who's obviously seriously flawed.
It's institutions.
This is what Tulsi Gabbert's talking about is not just Brennan and Comey, but it's institutions.
It's the FBI.
It's the CIA.
It's the intelligence apparatus.
It's DIA.
It's the House and Senate Intelligence Committee, particularly the Senate, Mark Werner, and these guys.
These are institutions.
We have an institutional problem.
If we just get rid of the people and send them to prison, yes, that has to be done.
That's accountability.
That's not going to solve the problem.
The problem is we have an institutional crisis in this country.
And the Federal Reserve is structurally, I think, flawed, but institutionally, it's gotten out of control.
Jim Rickards, your thoughts and assessment, sir?
jim rickards
Well, my favorite candidate for Fed chair was actually Linda McMahon.
I thought if she can shut down the Education Department, make her Fed chair, and she can shut down the Fed, hopefully.
A couple of historical footnotes, Steve.
The United States did not have a central bank of any kind between 1836 and 1913, okay?
What happened between 1836 and 1913?
The Industrial Revolution, technology, telephone, telegraph, transcontinental railroad, diesel-powered harvesters, mining, we won how many wars, et cetera.
It was one of the greatest periods of wealth creation and prosperity in the history of the world with no central bank.
So that by itself shows you don't need a central bank, number one.
Number two, Paul Krugman, he's a little kind of marginalized these days, but for decades he was saying, you know, we need a central bank to prevent financial panics.
I did a study that showed financial panics when we did Not have a central bank and financial panics when we did have a central bank.
And it was about the same tempo.
No, the central bank did not make any difference in terms of the frequency of central panics or financial panics.
They happened for other reasons, nothing to do with the Fed.
The idea that the Fed could bail you out is ridiculous.
What happened in 2008?
You know, Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson walked over to the White House.
They said, you know, George Bush is president.
They said, Mr. President, we can't do anything about Lehman Brothers.
We can't save Lehman Brothers.
That was nonsense.
They had the statutory authority.
They either had really bad lawyers, or I think what actually happened was Paulson wanted them to fail to prove a point.
But of course, that unleash one of the greatest panics in history.
Now, here's the thing with Scott Besson.
You know, there's some talk that he might be named by Trump to be Fed chair.
You know, people, they throw up their hands, oh my goodness, Trump's doing something unprecedented.
Trump's doing something radically different.
No, that's not true.
In 1913, the Secretary of the Treasury was a member of the Board of Governors.
By statute, the Treasury Secretary was on the Board of Governors, the Fed, and they used to meet in the Treasury building.
So it's not unprecedented.
It's actually would be going back to something, which is much closer to where the Fed started.
FDR abolished that seat for the Treasury Secretary, but he was on there from day one.
But a couple of things.
I agree with you about the CIA and CENCOM being two the most powerful institutions.
I disagree a little bit with the Fed.
People say the Fed controls money.
That's not really true.
Money creation is controlled by banks, commercial banks.
You want to talk about money, pick up the phone, call Jamie Dimon, call the head of city, Wells Fargo, Bank of America.
They're the people who actually control the economy.
And by the way, they own the Fed, just as a footnote.
So people say, what about all this money printing?
Well, here's how it works.
When the Fed wants to print money, they buy government securities from dealers.
I used to be chief counsel, one of the primary dealers.
I talk to the Fed every day.
They call up the dealer.
They say, offer me 10-year notes, done.
You send the notes to the Fed, and they give you money that comes out of thin air.
So that money is created out of thin air.
That's true.
But what do the dealers do with the money?
They give it back to the Fed in the form of excess reserves.
So all you're doing is inflating both sides of the balance sheet to the trillions of dollars with all those excess reserves.
That money does not get lent.
It does not get spent.
It is not stimulus.
It just sits there, sterilized.
That's the technical term for it.
Where does the money come from that actually runs the economy?
It comes from the commercial banks, number one.
As far as Jay Powell is concerned, his term is up.
His term as chair is up in May of 2026.
He's not going to be around that long anyway.
I'm sure he's not going to win every year.
But why would you, the president probably could fire him.
This testimony, you know, under oath is enough of an excuse to fire him if you really want to do that.
Why would you?
The economy might be in for a tough patch.
Now, I'm a fan of, I call it Maganomics, Trumponomics, et cetera.
I think the economy will do very well over the next four years.
But we could be heading into recession over the next six months or so.
And by the way, Trump says he wants lower interest rates.
What interest rates does the Fed set?
They set something called the policy rate, which is the Fed funds target rate.
What are Fed funds?
Money that banks lend to each other overnight.
There hasn't been a Fed funds market since 2008 because they have excess reserves.
They've got trillions of dollars of excess reserves.
They don't need to borrow in that market.
So the Fed sets a rate for a market that doesn't exist.
Okay.
Now, Trump says, I want lower interest rate costs for the federal budget deficit.
Okay, fine.
Where does that come from?
The shortest maturity Treasury bill is a four-week bill.
Very short, very liquid, very safe, et cetera.
There's something called the overnight financing rate, which is kind of like the repo rate.
Those are the two most, those are the two safest, most liquid short-term funding rates.
Both of them are lower than the Fed funds target.
In other words, the market is doing Trump's job for them.
The market is already lower than the Fed funds target rate.
So the Fed is actually irrelevant.
I don't think they're going to lower rates at the July meeting.
They have a meeting at the end of July.
I think Powell's going to pause.
That'll be another, you know, the White House will blow another gasket over that.
But it doesn't matter because the market is actually lower.
steve bannon
Jim, where do people go and get your and get strategic intelligence?
How do they get there?
How do they get your free book?
jim rickards
Thank you, Steve.
We have a landing page.
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steve bannon
I make the pitch all the time.
It's read by people in C-suites all over the world, right?
Chairman and CEOs.
If you're not yet a chairman or CEO, or maybe if you're a younger person, or let's just say that you're not really on the corporate track, why is strategic intelligence a must-read?
Why should people, what's the case for someone that's not on a career track that needs this information because it helps them in their job, it helps them understand the world?
What's the case for somebody that's not on that career track to get this newsletter?
jim rickards
Well, we're independent.
We're not working for a broker dealer.
We don't have to follow the Wall Street narrative.
We do longs and shorts.
We have stock recommendations where you make money if the market goes up, but we also have short positions where you make money if the market goes down.
But we actually think hard about the topic.
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steve bannon
Jim Rickerts, also we're throwing a free book, Money GPT, which is very prescient about artificial intelligence and currency.
Currency Wars was the first way I came acquainted with you back, I don't know, 15 years ago.
It was an incredible, incredible book.
I still recommend it today.
Rickertswarroom.com, you go, you get access to strategic intelligence, also the free book.
Jim Rickerts, thank you for kicking off the week for us.
Appreciate you.
unidentified
Thanks.
steve bannon
This situation with Tulsi Gabbard, the situation with this Epstein situation about the information, this situation with Auto Pen, which is this other, you know, we had Rachel Bovart on.
The Autopen situation is almost as outrageous as the others.
Here's where the apparatus itself, the deep state, just basically Biden was a front for it, just threw him out of the way and ran it themselves.
Some of the same names you'll see popping up, Lisa Monaco, others in the Biden regime, or just some of the cast of characters back in 2015.
It's only going to happen if we put our shoulder to the wheel.
We have to have Tulsi Gabbard's back.
We have to have DNI's back.
We have to demand answers.
We have to continue to put the pressure on, either for a special prosecutor or someone at the Justice Department to take these investigations on as their sole responsibility and to keep hammering the courts.
You see what they're doing right now.
You have Alina Chabab, who's President Trump's selection in New Jersey.
They're trying to remove her even as we speak.
15 federal judges.
President Trump's on the onslaught of this radical judiciary.
I believe he's won 15 of the 17 or 14 of the 16 that have gone to the Supreme Court.
But every day they're trying to pound, they're trying to tie him up in a court to make sure that he can't fulfill his Article II, his Article II power.
We're in the deciding moment now.
As I told you before, the first 10 years coming down the golden escalator, the next 200 days are going to be the most important in President Trump's entire time since he's come and sought political office because you have the convergence of the crises from the mass deportations, which the radical left, plus a lot of the apparatus has just said, no, it's not going to happen.
You may be able to get rid of a handful of bad guys, but that's it.
And that only scratches the surface to the war in Ukraine, the war in Persia.
It's all converging right now.
And that's why you've seen, Tulsi Gabbard had the courage, yes, the physical courage to actually unlock the coup that happened in 2016.
Short commercial break, back in a moment.
unidentified
Where the Prime Minister Shiguro Oshiba says he's going to stay on in office despite his governing coalition losing its majority in the upper house of parliament after elections.
Mr. Oshiba is saying the public had delivered a harsh judgment, but there were too many pressing issues to resolve to resign.
What he's talking about there is a threat of these extra US tariffs and also inflation.
Japan's opposition parties are fragmented and unlikely to try to form a government themselves.
The governing bloc losing control of the more powerful lower house in October.
Let's speak now to Ryo Tsahashi, who is an international politics professor at the University of Tokyo.
Very good to have you with us here on BBC News.
Firstly, he may be in power now, Mr. Ishiba, but just how weak is he?
ryo sahasi
Oh, he is now very weak.
You know, she decided to stay in power, but I think towards the end of this month, the frustration within the party might attack him very strongly.
And also, he might not be able to get cooperation from the non-ruling party opposition so much.
So I think he tried to stay in power.
But if he cannot get the kind of home run with his negotiation with President Trump, maybe he simply lost his power base more and more in this summer.
unidentified
Yeah, you mentioned he needs that home run.
Has he talked about what his strategy or plan is when it comes to the Trump administration?
ryo sahasi
I think he doesn't have good cards to change the situation.
If he really wants to make a big game or big deal with President Trump, he has to give up some agricultural products, automobile things for President Trump, because that is the things.
They are the things President Trump really wants to get from Japan.
But Shigeru Shuba may not be able to do that.
And President Trump may not be charmed to talk with a weak prime minister.
So I'm sure the negotiation will not go anywhere.
unidentified
When it comes to the election result, what do you think explains it?
Is it?
steve bannon
Ben, I'm going to turn it over to you to have you explain, said the Japanese professor.
A earthquake last night in Japan, a MAGA-type party, putting Japan first, make Japan great again, kind of came out of nowhere and won.
Matt Brainerd, you know Matt, has been on the show many times as a political consultant and operative.
He's one of the advisors to the party.
Ben Harnwell from Rome, this year, the professor saying, hey, the Japanese government needs a big home run from Trump to help them out here.
I'm not so sure Trump's going to be doing coach pitch.
He wants a meaningful deal and a good deal for the United States on the tariff.
So I think this is so important, not just against the CCP and what's happening geopolitically, but also economically and geoeconomically.
The Japanese government have kind of just, they've had now three decades of lost generation.
And the people in Japan, particularly younger people, have just kind of had a belly full of it.
So this guy struck a spark.
Ben Harnworld, your assessment.
ben harnwell
Well, just to come off the closing point there, Steve, actually, the majority of the lead of this new party, Sohei Kamiya, that the majority of this is what actually comes from young men, young 20 and 30-year-old men.
So it's specifically disillusioned youth on the male side of the spectrum, flagging up the point that you just mentioned.
And the geopolitical considerations obviously can't be overestimated because, as you mentioned, the Chinese situation.
Also, the Trump tariff situation.
There's the August 1st deadline there.
This government now is massively weakened.
The coalition has a minority in both the upper house and the lower house.
It has had a minority in the lower house since the lower chamber elections last autumn.
Steve, the immediate points to draw out From this, are the fact that this is explicitly, I would say, a rejection of the present governing coalition, which is of the centre-right.
Prime Minister Ishiba is a conservative pro-business figure, as is his party in coalition with the centrist Buddhist pacifists.
But that's the point.
It's not a left-wing coalition which has been rejected.
It's a sort of performative centre-right.
We've seen this right across Europe, we've seen this in the United States, obviously, a rejection of just the business-as-usual mentality.
The new political party was founded in April of 2020, right at the beginning of the pandemic phenomenon, anti-vaccine, and it grew from there, coming out with these very well-put-together YouTube things, and it's sort of absorbed its program as it moved on.
It's now sort of quite as it Japanese, Japan first or Japanese first, depending on which formulation you want to use.
It says that there are far too many foreigners in Japan.
There's 3% of the present Japanese population are non-Japan born.
That's too many for this group.
They've moved from one seat in the upper chamber to 14 seats in the upper chamber.
It's an absolute massive victory.
And I'll close, I'll hand back to you on this point, Steve.
The big takeaway of this is that, as you said in your work, in your remarks, this is a MAGA phenomenon in the Japanese context.
But I would put it in this way.
It's really, this victory has really normalised, I would say for the first time since the Second World War.
It's normalized in the Japan context.
Using the air quotes, obviously a far-right political party phenomenon.
And this party, it explicitly models itself on the AFD in Germany, and it's set out now to build these reports with the various populist nationalist iterations right across the world.
steve bannon
Matt Brainerd, the disaffected young men, because Japan has not addressed, you have a real warrior spirit there, a real warrior ethos.
It has not addressed their needs.
It's a declining population.
It's incredibly woke culture in many regards.
What led this revolt?
What led this revolt of young men to actually get involved in politics, which they had not been, to drive this stunning upset last night?
matt braynard
You know, much like the MAGA movement here in the United States, it was really two things.
It was the government that was completely ignoring their needs, ignoring their priorities that was taking, they had put a surcharge on young people to help shift more money to the aging elderly population of that country.
And that really stung.
And there's all kinds of other policies that the incumbent government has done to sort of maintain the status quo and to be more business friendly, like opening the doors to foreigners that have nothing in common with Japan, don't speak the language, and have increased crime in the country, frankly, in a country that is pristine and one of the safest in the Western world.
And what you see is that this is a continuation of what's happened after World War II, where basically the country was, for lack of a better word, neutered.
It became in some ways a colony of the West, of the United States.
And finally, you have some people waking up saying, look, we don't want this woke nonsense.
We don't want the United States under Joe Biden forcing us to accept homosexual marriage, which was not popular there.
But again, it was Rahm Emanuel as the ambassador to Japan said, hey, you've got to do this if you want continued support from the Biden administration.
So this party is saying, none, we're not having any of that.
But beyond that, they also have an incredibly charismatic leader.
If you look at the typical elected official in Japan, you kind of get Jeb Bush energy, right?
They're very buttoned down, they're very soft-spoken, and they don't have the kind of energy that you would see in a charismatic leader here in the United States, like Donald Trump.
But all that changed when Sohai Kamiya stepped into the leadership and began the Senseito Party, which began in opposition to COVID lockdown, saying, look, we don't want a mask.
We don't want to be locked in our homes.
We don't want to be forced to take this vaccine.
And the same way we had an anti-vaccine movement start here in the United States.
In Japan, it became a political party, and it just expanded to becoming this very MAGA-style populist right-wing party.
And it's really a Senate in Japan.
And it's important to remember that right now they have 16 seats in the Senate, which has got about 250 seats total.
So you might think not a big deal.
But they effectively came in second place in this election.
And their trajectory is only going to be upward for a couple of reasons.
First, there are some smaller right-wing parties, and they will all now begin to consolidate behind Senseo.
Like another party got about 5% that has a very similar platform.
And there are conservative elements of LDP that have been breaking away from the leadership since it started to lurch leftward since the loss of Shinzo Abe.
But beyond that, there's campine finance in Japan, which works very differently than it does here in the United States.
So the amount of money that a political party has to spend on campaigning is tied to how many seats they have currently.
It's kind of bizarre.
So the more seats you have, the more money you have to campaign, which kind of continues a vicious circle, which is why LDP has been in power since World War II.
But with just the power of political rallies, personal charisma, and YouTube, Senseio has come out of nowhere.
But now with the seats they have, they now have a real budget to be able to push their message out further into the Japanese public.
And finally, as the guests you had on before mentioned, there's a demographic problem for Japan that actually helps Senseio because what's kept the incumbent party in power for so long is basically boomers, a very old and very large voting bloc in Japan, but they're moving on to the next world.
And the younger people in Japan are very open to stepping away from LDP, from the traditional left-right uniparty that has governed Japan and moving towards more parties like Sansito because it captures that energy of the country, that warrior spirit, the way of the samurai that has been basically sanitized from post-World War Japan.
In fact, the leader of Sansedo, Sohai Kamiya says he wants to destroy the last 80 years of globalist influence on Japan, restore it to its former glory.
And he's the guy with the message and the charisma to deliver that.
And you can see that in last night's results, and you can see it in how terrified all the left-wing NGOs and left-wing media are about the ascent of this party.
steve bannon
Matt, what is your social media?
We're going to try to have the leader of the party on with you.
The little translation issue tonight in the six o'clock hour.
Where do people get you in the interim?
Social media, sir.
unidentified
Buy me at Matt Brainerd on X. Matt Brainerd, thank you very much.
steve bannon
Also want to give you a hat tip.
Joe Kentz turned out to be pretty good in Washington, D.C. Finally got him to the Imperial Capitol and is working out just fine.
The deputy over there to Tulsi Gabbard.
Short commercial break.
Hardinwell's going to stick around.
General Flynn is, I think, arriving in the nation's capital even as we speak.
General Flynn will join us momentarily.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
steve bannon
A lot going on.
One thing on cuts, you're going to see, so there's this huge controversy right now about your favorite topic, a CR that would happen sometime before the 30th of September at midnight.
President Trump is demanding, kind of, I don't think he's demanding, yay, saying it strongly, but recommending to Thune they stay in session.
The Senate stay in session to finish the appropriations bills.
Also, to get his nominees done, the confirmations done.
We're way behind on the confirmations.
He got the top layer, but there's so many hundreds out there that it's falling behind.
He's very upset about it.
Rust vote, I think, OMB is getting ready for more rescissions, packages, maybe impoundments, maybe pocket rescissions.
There's going to be significant cuts.
And I'm talking about the 2025 budget.
They're working on the appropriations.
If they take off, if they go in August recess, you're not going to have appropriations bill passed.
We'll have to do a CR.
And so that'll be a huge fight in September.
I will tell you, the Russ Vogt and the team over at OMB, I think, are putting together right now more aggressive rescissions packages and even impoundments on the 2025 budget and are also working on things on 2026.
President Trump and his team over there is bounded.
They're determined to try to cut this budget as much as possible, cut this, what they feel is excessive spending that they couldn't take care of in the big, beautiful bill, given the mathematics of Capitol Hill.
So they're working on this right now.
We'll have more to discuss.
That's why now I think more than ever, it's to make contact with Philip Patrick and the team.
Philip's going to be on tomorrow.
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Taj Gil joins.
We're waiting for Mike Flynn.
If we can't get Mike on the morning show, we'll give him the afternoon.
He's going to be, I think, in D.C. for a couple of days.
I'm going to try to get him over to the war room.
A lot going on in the situation, and Mike knows better than anybody about this coup.
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General Mike Flynn joins us, I think, by phone now.
General Fryn just landed in D.C. General Flynn, your assessment, Tulsi put this out over the weekend.
What is your assessment of where we stand?
President came in hard last night to support this, wants action.
What are your initial thoughts here?
michael flynn
Okay, a couple of tactical and then overall, Steve.
I think immediately, immediately, the Department of Justice should suspend or revoke the passports of every single person that was in the national security component of the Obama regime and probably Biden, starting with Obama himself.
I mean, do not allow these people to abscond from the United States of America, because some of them, I guarantee, are contemplating it because of what has been exposed.
Number two, there should be a task force.
If there's not one already, there should be a task force of federal officers that are put together.
And I mean, it should have happened over the weekend, but if it hasn't, Pam Bonnie needs to put a federal law enforcement task force together right now.
And they need to start looking at which homes they're going to raid, just like they raided Mar-a-Lago and President Trump.
They need to start thinking about raiding Calorama.
They need to start thinking about raiding some of these other people, because I guarantee they have in their own files, in their homes, more evidence that belongs to the U.S. government.
And that evidence is going to come to light anyway, one way or the other.
Number three, there are whistleblowers that I know have already stepped up to the plate.
And some might be people who you don't, you know, who are those that are sort of, oh my God, I didn't realize that this person would sing.
You know what I'm saying?
So there are people that I know that are in the whistleblower category now that are going to help this case.
We are looking at the potential, you know, because Obama was a commander in chief, right?
So is there, you know, this, I'm not a lawyer, but I think that legally there should be some conversations at the Department of Justice and probably at the White House is whether or not that these conspiracy charges, these traitorous charges that have been stated by, certainly by Tulsi and by others, you know, even the president with some of the information that he's been putting out over the last 48 hours, should there be some type of military trial for Obama?
Because this is something that there is no statute of limitations for this.
And this is, Steve, and I'll shut up here in a second.
This is the greatest crime committed in the history of the United States of America, unimaginable to the majority of Americans that a coup would be attempted by one president against another president of the United States of America.
And in fact, ladies and gentlemen, that is exactly what happened.
steve bannon
You're saying this.
Let me start with the last first.
About military tribunals, and he was commander-in-chief.
You're saying because even with what happened, the Kennedy coup, the Nixon, and maybe Johnson is still a very dark cut on Johnson in the first situation, you never really had the active hand of a former president in a coup against the person that was freely elected to be a follower.
Is that why you're saying this is unprecedented in American history?
And does what you've seen today with the declassification by Tulsi show you as a former head of DIA and the president's national security advisor and spend a lifetime in intelligence that Obama directly had his hand involved in this, sir?
michael flynn
So number one, the answer to the last part, yes.
Obama clearly had his hand directly involved in this.
And I think that this new revelation of the 8th December 2016 Oval Office meeting, to me, is very clear that that happened.
You know, for Kennedy, Kennedy, of course, JFK was replaced by Johnson, who hated Kennedy and he wanted the job.
So nothing really happened.
There was the commission after Kennedy.
It ended up in nothing.
And what did we learn?
We learned because Trump released the files.
We learned that the CAA was directly involved in the assassination of a president Nixon.
The person who ended up replacing Nixon was Gerald Ford.
Where did Gerald Ford come out of the U.S. Senate?
And what did Gerald Ford sit on?
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He sat on the commission that investigated the JFK assassination.
michael flynn
I mean, it's just unbelievable what happened back then that we're elements of our government were basically conducting subversive activities.
And we now know it, right?
We now know it only because President Donald J. Trump had the guts to run again.
And as much abuse as he took, and we all know this, and especially you and I, we know abuse he took in his first administration and then what they did to him afterwards, you know, they didn't realize, they didn't think that this guy was ever going to win again.
And here he is.
So here's Donald J. Trump, nothing to lose except making sure, except this country and the legacy that he will leave for this country is, you know, we'll be, you know, he'll have a great economy and we're, you know, he's really digging into the foreign policy and the border and all this other stuff.
But the greatest legacy that he can leave is to destroy this socialism that exists in our government, these communists.
And you do it by holding people accountable.
And you start with, in this case, with what we just learned over the last couple of days, you start with Barack Obama, Barack H. Obama, intentionally brought his team together and said, we didn't think he was going to win, but now that he won, we can't allow this guy to govern.
And they tried immediately to undermine the presidency and the president of the United States of America, and they did it in such a vicious attack.
And that's why I say this is the greatest crime in the history of this country.
And the legal experts that we have in our government, they need, and in this country, they need to look at this thing and go, okay, how do we adjudicate this?
Because it has to be done.
There are going to be people that must go to prison over this.
We cannot have the likes of Obama.
We can't have people like Comey, Brennan Clapper, Susan Rice.
We can't have them walk in the streets as free, as though they did nothing, that this was a directive, an order that they were following.
Ask those that were hung after the end of World War II that said, I was just following orders of Hitler, right?
I mean, this is what we're facing right now, and people have got to take this very, very seriously.
And we can't have years-long investigations, Steve.
No, we're done with that.
There is so much evidence that's available.
Hell, you already had IG investigations.
We had all the other investigations that occurred for years that brought out all kinds of evidence.
Now we have the bravery of Tulsi Gabbard and Donald J. Trump in the White House, Tulsi Gabbard at the DNI, and she is on a tear right now, and good for her.
steve bannon
General Flynn, can you hang on?
I know you just got back to D.C., but we're going to take a short commercial break.
I want to ask you about your top three.
I do want to state that when General Flynn and Jared and the president-elect went down to D.C., I think 24 hours after we won, it was 24, 48 hours, either the day after or two days after.
And the president came back, I talked to him, he said, Obama only made one recommendation, and that recommendation is that you cannot have Mike Flynn as your national security advisor.
Now you know why.
It's pretty obvious.
They knew that General Flynn's knowledge of the intelligence apparatus, the knowledge of the intelligence community, besides his understanding of geopolitics and national security and military, but his understanding of the apparatus itself made him a clear and present danger to the coup.
And General Flynn is absolutely correct.
This was a coup.
And General Flynn's also absolutely correct.
We can't take years to investigate this.
It's all there right in front of us.
Action, action, action.
Short commercial break.
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steve bannon
General Flynn, we'll get you back on when you get settled.
Just real quickly, a lot of the audience, they're concerned.
Your number two is to get the Federal Task Force ready to do raids on the homes.
They're concerned about are guys clearing their electronic devices right now?
michael flynn
Yeah, you know, I'm concerned about that.
But you know something I will tell you, having been involved in the intelligence business for a long time, they're going to have to burn them to the ground because there's something called the cloud, Steve, the cloud.
And I know what organizations like the National Security Agency out of Fort Meade can do and other capabilities that we have.
So these people know, they know that they're not going to be able to hide from the egregiousness of what we just discovered.
Last point, Steve.
What Kelsey Gabbard found and what we're seeing is we're seeing the exposure of communications that were not classified, but they were using classified systems to communicate to hide these communications.
It may be a little bit in the weeds, but Obama and these other criminals were using classified systems to hide their criminal behavior so nobody would ever find it.
That's what Tulsi Gabbard is also demonstrating to the American people that these scum were hiding their coup, their attempted coup against President Donald J. Trump during his first presidency, and they need to be dealt with.
steve bannon
And Mike, correct me if I'm wrong, they kept it in draft form.
They used classified channels that they knew couldn't be breached, and they did it in a certain way to know that it wouldn't be finalized enough that it would have to be turned over, correct?
michael flynn
Correct.
Like if I do a draft, if I say, if I do something and I put it in my draft box, my draft folder, but I give you the user ID and password so you can go into that same, you can go into that same system and you just type in the user ID and password, and now you get access to the draft folder.
It's a very sneaky, slimy way for some of these people who are criminals to do these kinds of things.
And I guarantee this is where Tulsi Gabbard, what her and her team discovered.
steve bannon
General Flynn, where do people go to get all you've got a new book out?
You've got tons of information on this on your social media.
You've got a film out.
Where do people go to get all your content, including your social media, your Twitter feed?
michael flynn
Yeah, thanks, Steve.
They can go to generalflynn.com, generalflynn.com, and they can find everything.
steve bannon
General Flynn, thank you.
Thank you for tuning in.
Look forward to seeing you in Washington.
michael flynn
Godspeed, Steve.
steve bannon
General Mike Flynn.
As General Flynn said, already this weekend, hopefully a federal task force was put together to get on this, and he's absolutely correct.
We don't need years of investigations of this.
All the information is right there.
It just needs to all be turned over.
You heard Tulsi, it wasn't a plea for help, but she made a very interesting comment on Maria yesterday about the Mar-a-Lago raid, about the purpose of the Mar-a-Lago raid, which more and more is looking like they were trying to get the crossfire hurricane documents.
She said that had not been turned over yet by the FBI, so we need real coordination on this.
My understanding is that DNI and Tulsi are going to do another dump on information in the next couple of days, and we'll be all over that.
Tonight, 6 o'clock, we're going to get more into this.
Also, there's a trial going on in Europe directly dealing with the vaccines and the lot going on about vaccines.
We're going to get on top of that this afternoon on the afternoon show, among other things, about all these investigations, Audipen, Epstein, and, of course, the coup against President Trump.
Mike Lindell, you were part of this.
The FBI tried to crush you, humiliate you the way they do it, the Gestapos, I call them.
I don't know why the FBI hasn't been broken in two yet, but maybe we'll pursue that during this week.
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