July 19, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the final screen of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going with the evil on these people. | ||
| Everyone's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You're in the war room. | ||
| It's Saturday, 19 July in the year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| Natalie Winters filling in for Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| We've got a packed show. | ||
| Mike Benz, Nor Bin Laden, Dr. Naomi Wolf, and we're going to start off with Steve Cortez. | ||
| Steve, before we let you bounce, I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this renewed push. | ||
| It seems like it never goes away. | ||
| It's like the hydra. | ||
| You cut it and it just keeps coming back in a different and frankly worse way. | ||
| But the push for amnesty among the sort of establishment flanks of the GOP. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, the establishment zombie in Washington, D.C. refuses to die. | ||
| Right now, Maria Salazar is taking the lead, Republican, supposedly Republican representative from Miami, somebody who is pushing hard a so-called dignity act. | ||
| What it actually is, is amnesty light. | ||
| Well, we don't want full amnesty. | ||
| We don't want amnesty light. | ||
| We don't want any talk about amnesty. | ||
| And the American people spoke incredibly clearly on this issue last November. | ||
| It was the signature foundational issue of Trump's 2024 campaign. | ||
| He won every swing state. | ||
| He won the national popular vote. | ||
| In addition to that, by the way, I want to say this because I think it's important as an Hispanic because Salazar is claiming to represent Hispanics in America. | ||
| That is just not the case. | ||
| Donald Trump did better among Hispanics than any Republican has ever done, again, with immigration as his signature issue. | ||
| And he won Hispanic men nationally. | ||
| I mean, even including places like California, won Hispanic men. | ||
| So the people of any color, of any persuasion, of any ethnicity are clear that we want to defend our borders, that there's nothing xenophobic or bigoted at all about that. | ||
| As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite, protecting all of our people, whatever their backgrounds, and prioritizing our people and our workers. | ||
| That is the imperative of the Trump administration. | ||
| Now, he's already done it in terms of securing the border. | ||
| It's amazing how fast he's moved to secure our border. | ||
| The deportation part is more complicated, of course, and is unfolding. | ||
| But I think it's important for all of us to continue to back Kim on this, to continue to back Tom Holman, and to totally reject these GOP corporatists who want us to take us back to a Jeb Bush era. | ||
| We're not falling for Maria Salazar. | ||
| You do not speak for your district. | ||
| You don't speak for Hispanics. | ||
| You certainly don't speak for the America First movement. | ||
| We're not having this. | ||
| Yes, she should be primaried at the very least. | ||
| Frankly, I'd probably advocate for her being censored. | ||
| It's so awful. | ||
| Steve Cortez, if people want to get the documentary, I know you've been pumping out a lot of good content lately. | ||
| Where can people go to follow you and watch it? | ||
| Yes, please. | ||
| So it'll be out 6 p.m. tomorrow. | ||
| You can see that trailer now where the actual document will be 6 p.m. Eastern Time. | ||
| CortezInvestigates.com is my website with all of my content. | ||
| I'll also be streaming it on my social media, so I'll be putting it at that same time on Twitter. | ||
| So yeah, please have a look. | ||
| It's 24 minutes long. | ||
| I'm not asking for a huge commitment. | ||
| I think you'll find it very, very revealing. | ||
| You'll find these regular folks to be really compelling. | ||
| And it's worth it just to see the footage of the library because if you haven't seen it, you will be shocked at how hideous this thing is. | ||
| So yeah, please check it out tomorrow. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for joining us. | ||
| We'll have you back on soon. | ||
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You bet. | |
| Thank you, Natalie. | ||
| I remember that was my, I think, freshman year at UChago. | ||
| There was a lot of back and forth. | ||
| It was funny watching all the woke students twist themselves into weird mental and ideological contortions to somehow justify the, as they would call it, gentrification of the, you know, I guess, economically inequitable zones of the south side of Chicago or whatever the appropriate phrase would be to justify, you know, essentially raising it to the ground, bulldozing it to set up the presidential library for their, you know, man, myth, and legend, Barack Obama. | ||
| I saw it in many classes where we had to do debates about whether or not the library should be allowed to be built. | ||
| You can probably imagine what side I took and why I never spent much time there and instead decided to come and work at the Warroom for Steve. | ||
| Probably one of the best decisions, if not the best decision I have ever made. | ||
| And speaking of good decisions, we've got some breaking news coming out of jointly the State Department and HHS having to do with, I guess, another three-letter organization that you hate. | ||
| That's the WHO and their international health regulations. | ||
| They want to control you and use public health, obviously, as a pretext to do so. | ||
| We've got a clip that they sent to the show. | ||
| They wanted us to play it. | ||
| So let's roll that and then we're going to have Norvin Lauden and Dr. Naomi Wolf on to discuss this really big change. | ||
| Let's roll it. | ||
| Hello, everyone. | ||
| This is your HHS Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| I want to speak to you today about a controversial issue that could directly impact you and your family during a global health emergency. | ||
| Last year, the World Health Organization's governing body made some far-reaching amendments to its international health regulations, otherwise known as the IHR regulations. | ||
| These regulations establish the legal framework that gives countries rights and responsibilities for managing public health events with global impact. | ||
| The deadline to reject these amendments is next week, and we are rejecting them, so I'd like to explain to you why. | ||
| The first reason is national sovereignty. | ||
| Nations who accept the new regulations are signing over their power in health emergencies to an unelected international organization that could order lockdowns, travel restrictions, or any other measures that sees fit. | ||
| In fact, it doesn't even need to declare an emergency. | ||
| Potential public health risks are enough for it to initiate action. | ||
| If we're going to give the WHO That much power, we should at least invite a thorough public debate, especially since the agreement is an official treaty and it bypasses the U.S. Senate, which plays a key role in ensuring major international commitments receive proper democratic oversight. | ||
| To make matters worse, the new regulations employ extremely broad language that gives the WHO unprecedented power. | ||
| They require countries to establish systems of risk communications so that the WHO can implement unified public messaging globally. | ||
| That opens the door to the kind of narrative management and propaganda and censorship that we saw during the COVID pandemic. | ||
| We don't want to see that kind of system institutionalized even further. | ||
| The agreement also contains provisions about global systems of health IDs, vaccine passports, and a centralized medical database. | ||
| It lays the groundwork for global medical surveillance of every human being. | ||
| Maybe if the WHO were an infallible authority, untainted by industry influence, we would consider accepting the new regulations. | ||
| Unfortunately, the COVID pandemic demonstrated otherwise. | ||
| During COVID, the WHO failed to enforce the international health regulations that were already in place for generations. | ||
| China withheld critical information about the outbreak for at least a month and faced no real consequences or criticism from WHO. | ||
| As the 2024 Congressional Oversight Report put it, the WHO was misinformed, denied access to China, and used as a cover for the Chinese Communist Party's reckless action. | ||
| These and other atrocities make one thing clear. | ||
| We must strengthen national and local autonomy to hold global organizations in check and to restore a real balance of power. | ||
| Underneath all the bureaucratic language, what's at stake here is a vision for our future. | ||
| Are we going to be subjects to a technocratic control system that uses health risks and pandemic preparedness as a Trojan horse to curtail basic democratic freedoms? | ||
| Do we want a future where every person, every movement, every transaction, every human body is under surveillance at all times? | ||
| Now, I don't want to be too alarmist. | ||
| The new regulations aren't in themselves medical totalitarianism. | ||
| In fact, they were perhaps written with good intentions, but they are definitely a step in the wrong direction. | ||
| That's why we're rejecting the amendments not only on behalf of our own citizens, but the whole world. | ||
| After all, America could simply ignore the WHO. | ||
| A few other countries are as powerful as the United States. | ||
| Even though many of these amendments are phrased to be non-binding, as a practical matter, it's hard for many countries to resist them, especially when they are dependent on the WHO funding and its partnerships. | ||
| That's why we're taking leadership to stop an agreement that's bad for the entire world. | ||
| I want to be clear that in rejecting these amendments, President Trump and I are not rejecting international cooperation. | ||
| We can cooperate with other nations without jeopardizing our civil liberties, without undermining our Constitution, and without seeding away America's treasured sovereignty. | ||
| That's my commitment to you. | ||
| That's President Trump's commitment to you. | ||
| Thank you, and God bless you all, and God bless our country. | ||
| All about restoring sovereignty and not just outsourcing jobs and manufacturing to a bunch of other countries. | ||
| I'm sure aided and abetted by the globalist economic models that are put out by the UN, the IMF, the WF, all these horrible institutions. | ||
| Frankly, I guess maybe we could throw the Fed in there, Jerome Powell. | ||
| That's why, of course, you've got to be checking out birchgold.com slash bannon, texting Bannon to 989898, and learn why gold has always been a hedge against all of these power plays, not just for your money, but for your own personal sovereignty. | ||
| I want to bring on the one and only Norbin Lawton to walk us through a lot of details of that video. | ||
| Very comprehensive, diligent video. | ||
| I'm curious if you could sort of translate it for us, what exactly this means and what we avoided. | ||
| Great to be with you, Natalie. | ||
| First of all, I'd just like to say a huge kudos to the Warung Posse, to Steve as well, and yourself for bringing this and keeping this at the forefront, and just everybody who pushed back, you know, James Rogowski and all the other researchers and activists who have kept this topic very much front and center. | ||
| This announcement by Robert Kennedy Jr. is a big win. | ||
| We can be very happy about this. | ||
| This is a great step, pardon me, in the right direction. | ||
| So everybody can be celebrating and having a sigh of relief there. | ||
| That being said, I did want to mention once more, I spoke about it earlier in the week with Steve, but I wanted to mention this very particular executive order that was signed by President Trump on the 4th of February of this year entitled Withdrawing the U.S. from and ending funding to certain United Nations organizations and reviewing U.S. support to all international organizations. | ||
| And in particular, in that EO, I would alert the policy to Section 3.B, which stipulates that there is a process, a 180-day process, that the State Department is going to essentially take this timeframe to review all of these treaties, conventions, and memberships to these organizations. | ||
| And the deadline for this review coincides with, well, early August, to be precise. | ||
| And regarding the international health regulations, what was just rejected were the amendments to these regulations. | ||
| The regulations themselves were adopted back in 1969, obviously in the dead of night without the American public being aware or informed about what these regulations entailed. | ||
| And so what I'm hoping The Trump administration will take as a next step is withdrawing of these regulations in their entirety as an additional step to withdrawing from the WHO, which President Trump kick-started at the very start of his term back in January. | ||
| Nor, if you can hang with us through the break, because I think the audience is probably next logical question. | ||
| Obviously, it's not altruism that is motivating these IHRs or any of these public health, public safety measures. | ||
| It's obviously about control. | ||
| So I don't think just like our domestic deep state here, right, they're going to sit down and say, oh, well, okay, America, President Trump, you don't want to be a part of this. | ||
| You don't want to be a part of the pandemic treaty. | ||
| Have at it, right? | ||
| Have at it. | ||
| I'm curious your thoughts, how they're sort of going to reframe and reorient their strategy. | ||
| So hang with us through the break so we can hit that. | ||
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| We'll be right back. | ||
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In America's Hall War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| Welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| We are still joined by Noor Bin Laden. | ||
| Nor, picking up off of what I was sort of talking about before the break, from your sort of, I think, very well-informed, you know, meta perspective on all of this, what do you think their next push is to sort of circumvent the Trump administration's efforts to nullify their authorities in the form of whether it's the pandemic treaties, just traditional WHO membership, or today the latest, I guess, casualty, the IHR stuff? | ||
| I think it's very important that we remain vigilant on both fronts, on both the international globalist front when it comes to these organizations like the WHO and on a local national level. | ||
| So what I mean by that is that we really need to be paying attention in each of our nations about the legislations that our own government is pushing. | ||
| So for example, in the case of Switzerland, they are pushing through legislation to be presented to the government by and to the public next year in 2026, a law on epidemics, which essentially will put in the, how would you say, measures and regulations that would completely block the population in the same way that we saw during COVID-19 and curtail our complete freedoms. | ||
| And those laws actually on a national level tend to be even more stringent and restrictive than the WHO regulations, the IHR, or even the pandemic treaty. | ||
| So that's also something that you need to be looking at in your own country, Natalie. | ||
| But thankfully, it seems that the Trump administration understands very much what is at play when it comes to medical totalitarianism, as Secretary Kennedy referred to it in his video, and also just this global technocratic control system. | ||
| Again, taking Secretary Kennedy's words. | ||
| Norvin Lawton, as always, I know the posse appreciates your analysis of this. | ||
| Intentionally, I think complex because it's meant to deceive stuff. | ||
| Before we have you back on, if people want to follow you, stay up to date, not just with your posts and your writings. | ||
| I know you're a bit elusive, but hey, quality over quantity. | ||
| Where can people go to follow you and stay up to date with everything you're working on? | ||
| Thank you, Natalie. | ||
| Best Places, norbinladen.subseg.com. | ||
| And stay tuned because James Rogowski and I are going to be resuming our podcast on the WHO and this entire pandemic health emergency industrial complex that they are building out via the WHO and also all of our health departments in our different countries, obviously at the behest of big pharma. | ||
| And that's a key topic that is not going to go away. | ||
| Pharma and medical emergencies are very much being used as one of the key Trojan horses to bring about the mass surveillance control system of the globalists. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Thank you, ma'am, for joining us. | ||
| We'll have you back on. | ||
| Thank you, Natalie. | ||
| Great being with you. | ||
| Likewise, Dr. Naomi Wolf joins us now. | ||
| Now, Dr. Wolf, I want to hit the same topic because I'm sure you have a lot of thoughts, but I've also seen lately you have a lot of thoughts on the whole Epstein saga. | ||
| You had a great sub stack on it. | ||
| I'd just be curious to get your thoughts. | ||
| Frankly, it probably links to the WHO stuff in a weird roundabout way, but your just kind of general assessment of where we stand in that fight for transparency. | ||
| In the WHO fight, the announcement we just saw from Secretary Kennedy? | ||
| Before we get into that, just to start with the Epstein stuff, I'm curious. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Well, to reprise what I shared with the posse when I was on with Steve Bannon, I did write an essay kind of trying to put the dilemma I think President Trump is in with releasing everything into a larger context that I understood from my past life being represented by an agent who I discovered in 2019 Had a huge, | ||
| important intellectual salon with some of the key scientists in the world, and then drawing in at dinners some of the key technologists in the world that was funded by Jeffrey Epstein. | ||
| And Eric Weinstein, who used to be managing director of Teal Capital and is a mathematician, a Harvard-trained mathematician, gave a really important interview in which he basically said that he believed that the bigger picture of the Epstein story, | ||
| or a parallel picture, right, is not just the very important story of retail clothing manufacturers and politicians abusing minors, right? | ||
| As serious and important as that is. | ||
| But there's also a story of a kind of engagement structure that was set up very deliberately at Harvard and elsewhere to lure and draw in and compromise both innocent and guilty scientists, some of the key, again, minds of our time, as well as both innocent and guilty technologists. | ||
| And since I know he's right from my own knowledge of this network, I think it's important because some of those same people who are at those dinners, Edge Foundation dinners, funded by Jeffrey Epstein, are some of President Trump's key backers and supporters. | ||
| So it's just in no way telling President Trump what I think he should do or, you know, or that I know who Jeffrey Epstein is in terms of who's behind him, I don't. | ||
| But I do think it's important for people to understand this bigger picture that there are innocent as well as guilty people likely in these files and that I always want to trust the people that they have discernment, they can process that information and put it in context, | ||
| but also there could be something much bigger going on than we even realize with the Epstein story, which is a, as Eric Weinstein put it, a direction of science, you know, a management and control and a herding of science, because the scientists who were tapped by Epstein's Epstein-funded, this Epstein-funded entity and drawn together with technologists created with technologists the dystopia that we're fighting right now. | ||
| They're, you know, what we reductively call transhumanism. | ||
| It's consciousness manipulation, it's multiple dimensions, it's pre-AI and AI, it's surveillance technologies, it's propaganda techniques and human psychology, it's ritual, what makes us human, what makes us able to transcend humanity, it's genetics for sure, and the intervening in the human genome. | ||
| So all of this world that we're struggling with right now was kind of drawn together by an Epstein-funded entity starting in the late 2010s and extending right up until probably 2018, 2019, kind of until his death. | ||
| So I just shared that. | ||
| And now moving out from a bigger picture yet, I think this announcement from Secretary Kennedy comes at exactly the right time. | ||
| And it's exactly the right kind of announcement because the press has been so understandably critical. | ||
| And the grassroots and Posse and MAGA and MAHA reaction to the blundered messaging from the White House about the Epstein files has been so understandably hostile that this kind of victory comes at a critical time. | ||
| It's going to remind people, reminds me why I voted for the combination of Maha and MAGA. | ||
| It's exactly what we need to kind of remember that there are many fights and that this is a huge fight that we just have delivered into our laps a major victory. | ||
| And just walk us through sort of similarly what I was asking, Nor, how you think they sort of recalibrate their strategy to achieve, whether it's the digital surveillance state, the sort of public health emergency nanny state since the Trump administration, I think today's announcement as an example, has withdrawn in such a large capacity from a lot of these WHO, whether it's working groups, the organization itself, or just these weird nebulous treaties. | ||
| When you say they, do you mean the White House or do you mean our own technical group? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, I think that Ms. Bin Laden did an amazing job analyzing the nature of this victory, this huge announcement. | ||
| I would just add to what she said, and then I promise I'll answer your question, that it's a victory on so many levels, domestically, right? | ||
| She rightly put it in a global context, but it's a huge victory for us domestically because those were the issues that President Trump campaigned on and that Secretary Kennedy, RFK Jr., campaigned on, the surveillance state, the lockdowns, the mandates, the sovereignty itself, this theme of sovereignty. | ||
| Do we get to decide what happens in the United States of America as a nation or as our bodies, right? | ||
| Our own bodies, our own public health decisions, do we get to decide? | ||
| And I wish that HHS had a better communications shop because those incredibly important deliverables that go right to reminding people why they had hope for this administration, this alliance, are kind of buried in a lot of bureaucratic language, but they're there. | ||
| And I hope they take that speech and turn it into an ad and buy, you know, television time on networks and cut in some visuals, like reminding people, you know, in a very primal way what Secretary Kennedy is talking about. | ||
| But those are the platform issues. | ||
| It's freedom, right? | ||
| It's freedom and self-determination. | ||
| Do you want to be a slave to some faceless entity that you never voted for? | ||
| Or do you want to be free? | ||
| That's, if I were advising This administration, which I'm not, or HHS, which I'm not, I would say that's your message, slave or free, you know, lead with that. | ||
| Don't bury the lead. | ||
| So it's huge. | ||
| The other thing that's exciting, and then I will speak about what the WHO will do next. | ||
| The other reason it's exciting is that it's a joint release with the Secretary of State and the State Department. | ||
| And that's as it should be. | ||
| In fact, as I was listening, I was thinking, wow, I really hope the Secretary of State jumps in here or, you know, cuts his own video as well and releases that as well. | ||
| Because people in Europe, I was just in Europe, are suffering. | ||
| You know, people in Britain are suffering. | ||
| People in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, they're suffering. | ||
| And they're looking to the United States for leadership on this theme of freedom. | ||
| We've got to jump to break, but I want to hold you through to pick up not just where you left off, but also where you think directionally the WHO is going to go. | ||
| We'll be right back, posse, after this short break. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Welcome back to the war room. | ||
| We're going to go to Mike Ben shortly, but Dr. Wolf, I want to let you pick up where I had to interrupt you. | ||
| Just where you think the WHO's new strategy in terms of achieving their, I'll be euphemistic, quest for global domination in terms of public health emergencies, where exactly you think that strategy is going to take them throughout the tenure of the Trump administration? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So I think President Trump has really and HHS Secretary Kennedy have struck a real blow. | ||
| Remember that in April, President Trump withdrew $400 million in funding. | ||
| So I think that the WHO could be kind of reeling after this, but they will regroup and they will lock down, you know, tighter on the rest of the world. | ||
| So what I would say would be a good strategy to kind of kill off the WHO nonviolently is to have this be part, as well as free speech issues, part of an overt foreign policy strategy that's branded and again in the hands of the Secretary of State and say, you know what, we're going to incentivize countries who give free speech to their citizens and roll back restrictive legislation. | ||
| We're going to privilege countries that don't set in place the kind of lockdown framework that Ms. Bin Laden mentioned. | ||
| I know they set up that framework in Britain as well. | ||
| And we're going to have a freedom agenda throughout the world in which other countries that withdraw from the WHO and that overtly reject these totalitarian structures in medical freedom, but also in free speech, we're going to prioritize trading with them. | ||
| We're going to prioritize diplomatic relations with them. | ||
| We're going to reward them in all kinds of ways. | ||
| I really think that that would win a lot of support around the world. | ||
| People are just waiting for the U.S. to have that kind of foreign policy, and it would really make sure that the WHO doesn't come back roaring from its corner like a wounded animal. | ||
| Dr. Wolf, as always, thank you so much for joining us before we have you back on. | ||
| In the meantime, where can people go to follow you and stay up to date with everything you're working on? | ||
| Thanks so much. | ||
| Please come to Substack. | ||
| My Substack is outspoken and over on Daily Clout. | ||
| And of course, you can always order the Pfizer papers. | ||
| And again, like Ms. Benondin said, thank you to you guys and the posse because this was such a marginal issue, the WHO issue, until the posse and Steve Bannon and you and these individuals that she mentioned and others made it a priority that has now entered history. | ||
| Thank you all. | ||
| The power of the posse, it is certainly unmatched. | ||
| And you're a part of it too. | ||
| You've done wonderful, really, I think, leading work on this issue. | ||
| So thank you, ma'am. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| We'll have you back on soon. | ||
| Someone else who has done a lot of leading work though, not to ouch you again. | ||
| You were eating breakfast in the break. | ||
| You seemed to get up late. | ||
| Steve and I always enjoy giving you a hard time for that. | ||
| That's none other. | ||
| Then Mike Benz. | ||
| Now, Mike, it seems like you are in the crosshairs of MSNBC. | ||
| So we'll help wake you up. | ||
| Let's roll the clip and get your reaction. | ||
| This on that Wall Street Journal story, making this now a Trump versus the media thing. | ||
| But on Steve Bannon's show, there's a fellow by the name of Mike Benz, who you might remember from a Brandy Zhrozny report on masking his alt-right online persona. | ||
| And he said, Trump made this a MAGA thing, and you can't unmaga it. | ||
| And I thought that actually might be one of the best summaries I've heard so far of what the kind of core of the problem is here, which is that when you talk to the Trump advisor, especially privately, and I would say this even extends to the conservative news space, you ask them, okay, what's up with the focus on trans women in sports so much, the Epstein stuff. | ||
| And, you know, they'll say, look, like, there's a gulf here between how much, especially in the Trump White House from the campaign, how much the staffing class cares about this kind of stuff versus the voters. | ||
| And this is just such a top issue for them that I don't think you can let time sweep it away. | ||
| The difference between the staffing class and the voters is the staffing class not that interested in Epstein, even though they were the ones whipping it all up for years and years, Captain Sel going on podcasts. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Dan Bongino going on podcasts. | ||
| And someone like a Bongino could be a true believer, and that's worth looking back at was a key mistake here, stacking the top levels of photos. | ||
| Maybe he's been silent for the past few years. | ||
| But no, I mean, it really is a dynamic that I think has, they've avoided running into this kind of a problem with a variety of other issues going back to the campaign. | ||
| But so much of the decision-making and how they choose to message things in the White House is based around the base. | ||
| Are they nervous about it? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And that's what I was reporting this week, that they will admit, at least on background and honestly, that this is very much a big deal. | ||
| There's not a clear-cut solution to this. | ||
| And the question is whether a resignation or a firing will do anything. | ||
| The worst person you've ever had. | ||
| Jake LaHutt, I actually know him. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| Your thoughts, I will just say, I love this sustained dialogue, trying to understand why the American people are so galvanized and intrigued by everything that happened with Epstein. | ||
| It's like, I don't know, it's almost because it was a domestic and foreign intelligence operation involving pedophilia and blackmail. | ||
| I think it sort of answers the question in its own right. | ||
| But your thoughts to this sort of sustained dialogue? | ||
| No, it's like we're being visited by aliens from outer space, and they're here doing like a cultural anthropology mission trying to understand our language. | ||
| They're like, the megapedes, they seem to be concerned about child sex trafficking rings. | ||
| We must tell the mothership. | ||
| They're communicating in strange ways with each other. | ||
| It's like, this is not really difficult to understand. | ||
| Like, this has been in the public ether for about a decade. | ||
| I mean, February 2015, Trump stands at CPAC and says to Sean Hannity, 2015, February 2015, that's a year and a half before the 2016 election, which itself was a decade ago. | ||
| And Trump says, Bill Clinton, nice guy. | ||
| But I think he's going to have a little problem with a little guy named Jeffrey Epstein and his little island. | ||
| And, you know, that was MAGA. | ||
| That was MAGA for the 2016 election. | ||
| That was MAGA for the 2020 election. | ||
| That was MAGA for the 2024 election. | ||
| Like, you trained us to go after this issue. | ||
| We have been, like, grown in a lab. | ||
| Chemicals have been mixed together specifically to breed this particular type of person in the MAGA movement who would care about Jeffrey Epstein's full excavation of all evidence around it. | ||
| So, like, the idea that you would just snap that shut, you know, it's one thing where he says, listen, I've been consistent about Iran. | ||
| I always said that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. | ||
| It's always been MAGA, yada, yada. | ||
| Okay, you don't even have that here. | ||
| Like, you've consistently said, as well as all of your SPOCs, that, you know, there would be, that exposures of this would cause problems for the wrong people. | ||
| You know, I mean, there's like 20 people in the current cabinet and Trump White House that I think could get schmutz on them over this. | ||
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| Yeah, no, I think if the left right has critical race theory where they look for how racism manifests in every situation, I think our equivalent of that is probably like critical deep state theory, right? | ||
| Where we find the deep state, the sort of power apparatus, these unelected bureaucrats exerting their influence over a lot of issues through sort of a variety of means. | ||
| I would argue that our theory is not just a theory. | ||
| It's actually reified. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| But I want to link it to what I also wanted to talk to you about, which is the obviously bombshell, you know, Russia hoax. | ||
| I saw treason was trending top on Twitter and political figures. | ||
| You always love to see it. | ||
| But your thoughts on what Tulsi declassified, because I think it just goes back to the sort of weird mentality that you saw, those MSNBC geniuses sitting there. | ||
| Oh, these people are so crazy. | ||
| It's almost like they think there's a deep state. | ||
| By the way, we're not going to cover the declassified memos that prove that there is. | ||
| Your general assessment of everything going on there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, are they still denying the deep state? | ||
| Because I seem to remember like 100 headlines supercut of them saying, thank God for the deep state. | ||
| Can the deep state please save us already? | ||
| Oh, no, don't fire them. | ||
| They're deep state. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| So, I mean, look, the emails that came out yesterday, I think, confirm the biases of pretty much everybody. | ||
| I mean, we've been through the Russiagate thing for 10 years. | ||
| Everybody knew, I think from day one, that it was BS. | ||
| This is basically what Tulsi published yesterday is what we all suspected was there. | ||
| And, you know, I can't say anything surprised me. | ||
| But, yeah, you throw around a word like treason. | ||
| Treason is a crime. | ||
| If you're going to use that word, you got to... | ||
| So, you know, if you use a word like treason and you don't follow up with a prosecution of some kind, then either it wasn't treason or there's no justice. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think the idea that the DOJ is going to follow through on this is not something that is historically or empirically or even in real time accurate. | ||
| And I think that that's sort of the fundamental disconnect where it seems like on the rhetoric, it's all guns blazing. | ||
| And I think DNI is really representative more so of the stripe of accountability that we voted for. | ||
| But I think you're exactly right. | ||
| The one-two punch, you're missing the second part and arguably the more important part of that punch. | ||
| I'm curious, though, your thoughts on the players involved in these meetings. | ||
| There really seems to be a nexus between the Biden regime at the highest levels. | ||
| You got the Newlands, the Clappers, the Brennans, Lisa Monaco, John Kerry, even lower-level State Department officials who were tied up at the Penn Biden Center. | ||
| What you sort of make of that personnel synergy and overlap involved in a lot of this? | ||
| Well, it makes total sense. | ||
| So much of the Obama foreign policy side was Biden folks. | ||
| I mean, if it was Biden was the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for like 10 years, he had been on it for 40 years. | ||
| He ran the Ukraine portfolio for Obama, which became the most important Foreign affairs region on planet Earth after 2014 Crimea. | ||
| So it doesn't surprise me that there was basically carryover from one to the other. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, John Brennan is just such a nasty figure of history. | ||
| It boggles the mind from him being the CIA station chief in Saudi Arabia and the rump to 9-11 to him hacking Congress. | ||
| I mean, John Brennan, his firm hacked Congress to spy on Congress, and he became CIA chief after that. | ||
| I mean, this is like the people who met with Jeffrey Epstein after his first indictment. | ||
| Like, John Brennan, his firm hacked the Senate, and then after he admitted it and said, whoopsie poopsie, I'm sorry about that. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Then they're like, oh, it's all good, dog. | ||
| Why don't you run the Central Intelligence Agency? | ||
| And then he goes on and he does, you know, RussiaGate. | ||
| And then he spends the next four years on Twitter, you know, basically calling for Trump to be a combination of arrested, carjacked, pickpocketed, and worse, I mean, John Bren's Twitter account. | ||
| Do you remember this, Natalie? | ||
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Like, how many insane reads this guy has required reading for the War Room posse? | |
| We read that every day. | ||
| Mike, if you could hang with us through the break, I think the audience wants to get your thoughts on the path forward. | ||
| And frankly, I think this Russia Gate declassification proves why we need not necessarily declass, but just transparency and a full release of all relevant Epstein materials. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| More Mike Benz after this short break. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann. | ||
| Welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| We've still got Mike Benz with us. | ||
| Mike, I want to sort of connect the dots here with what's going on with the, you know, domestic version of the deep state, everything with the Russia declassified documents, all the Epstein stuff, but also what's going on in Brazil. | ||
| I know you've been at the forefront of a lot of the censorship fight there, obviously heating up because of the tariffs. | ||
| Just yesterday, Bolsonaro, he had his house raided, his political headquarters raided. | ||
| I think he has to wear an ankle monitor. | ||
| He can't speak to essentially foreigners or foreign embassies, but I think interestingly, also banned from posting on social media. | ||
| Talk about a buried lead. | ||
| If you want to give us sort of an update on everything going on there and how it even links back to what we've seen go on here. | ||
| Yeah, you nailed it. | ||
| And in response, now Marius and the whole Brazilian Supreme Court effectively is persona non grada in the United States. | ||
| Secretary Rubio at the State Department just revoked the visas, not just for them, but for their family who are, I believe, they're members who are going to university here, working here. | ||
| So basically, there's now a growing kind of Cold War between the U.S. and Brazilian rogue judiciary. | ||
| Now that those judges are obviously the ones who are protecting Lula, there is kind of a not insignificant irony here in the sense that it was the Biden regime that basically bribed the Brazilian government to go after Bolsonaro and the Trump admin that is passing these sanctions on them for doing what the previous U.S. government told them to do. | ||
| But, you know, in the midst of that kind of comedy of errors, there's obviously a very real human casualty in terms of the cost of this, which is the speech freedoms of 200 million Brazilians and just the absolutely terrible tragedy they're putting Bolsonaro through. | ||
| And Mike, just last question before we let you go. | ||
| Yesterday on the show, we highlighted the new phrase non-cooperation, the idea that within a lot of these agencies, they're wanting to subvert President Trump, almost in a more direct way. | ||
| At least they're speaking about it. | ||
| You got this sort of indivisible no-kings NGO apparatus pledging to train a million people, including federal government employees, in these tactics, which if you look at the etymology of it, a lot of it comes from these sort of old CIA pamphlets. | ||
| One of them, I think, was called Simple Sabotage. | ||
| I'm just curious your assessment of that sort of new strategy and how you think we'll see it be rolled out. | ||
| They keep confirming our biases. | ||
| Why do they keep doing this? | ||
| So, I mean, they're obviously trained to do this at State Department and USAID. | ||
| This is what they exist for. | ||
| Their job is to overthrow democratically elected governments. | ||
| And now they're saying, wah, wah, boo-hoo, if you don't pay us, we're going to overthrow your government. | ||
| It's like, okay, well, at this point, at least let them pay themselves or let them look for outside funding. | ||
| They're going to do it. | ||
| They're going to do it. | ||
| But we shouldn't have to pay them to do it. | ||
| And the other part of it is, what do you think would be done if Trump careers organized this thing inside of a Kamala Harris administration? | ||
| Do you know how fast some sort of criminal charges would be ginned up, like something nebulous, like conspiracy against rights? | ||
| The fact is, it's one thing if you are non-cooperative. | ||
| It's another thing if you try to do this civil disobedience, which is... | ||
| But like, don't follow the law in a way that doesn't kill people. | ||
| Because they try to compare everything to like the 1960s civil rights countertop protests where they say, well, it was illegal, but it was a bad law. | ||
| So we should break the law. | ||
| And we should apply that same thing to everything that Trump does. | ||
| And we should just not follow the law because it's Trump's laws. | ||
| And it's like, okay, well, if we did That under a Harris administration, we'd all be in jail for the rest of our lives. | ||
| So I think that these sorts of things have to be monitored by law enforcement. | ||
| If you're going to be doing, if you're a federal government employee and you are going to not follow laws, you're going to intentionally sabotage the government you're working for. | ||
| I think, I mean, that's the death knell if you have a million people inside your government doing that. | ||
| So I think law enforcement. | ||
| Changing Pambondi. | ||
| I won't hold my breath on that one. | ||
| Mike Benz, in the meantime, before we have you back on, we'll try to angle for the 5 p.m. show. | ||
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Where can people go to follow you? | |
| You can follow me on X at MikeBenz Cyber. | ||
| Thanks, Natalie. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for joining us. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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| Thank you. | ||
| They appreciated it, as do I. And speaking of the Warring Posse, I think probably one of your equally large supporters and, frankly, beneficiaries is none other than Mike Lindell, who joins us now. | ||
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| You should be careful, Mike. | ||
| If you say that, all the left-wing journalists are going to try calling you so they can get a word in with you. | ||
| You know, they love talking to you. | ||
| Warroom Posse, thanks for hanging in with me, Steve, Mike, Jack, Noor, Naomi, the whole team. | ||
| Always an honor to fill in and host forums. | ||
| They give me PTSD to Steve being in prison. | ||
| Yes, but look at both how far we've come, but also, I guess, how far we haven't come. | ||
| I'm looking at you, Pam Bondi. | ||
| You got to pick up your game. | ||
| We'll see you back here Monday. | ||
| It's Natalie Winters out. | ||
| Thank you guys for yet another good show. |
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