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July 17, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4639: MTG Pushes Bill To Release Epstein Files; Rise Of The Central Bank Digital Currency
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Past jurisdiction and past president.
Why are you doing this?
This is outrageous.
This is a kangaroo court.
That's what we have here.
This is wrong.
To violate your own rules without going by the mandates of the parliamentarian.
This is unbelievable.
There's a way to do this.
If you want to force this through, if you want to ram this through, there's a way to do it in accordance to the rules as spelled out by the parliamentarian.
It is simple.
It is clear.
There's a pathway to achieve what you're trying to achieve.
But, sir, this lacks decency.
It lacks decorum.
It shows that you do not want to simply hear from your colleagues.
This is absolutely wrong.
And, sir, this is to me one of those moments where we are not showing common respect for each other on both sides.
I have sat here when we were in the majority and listened to my colleagues' arguments, listened to their passionate statements, and then we voted.
This is not that.
This is us simply trying to rush through one of the most controversial nominees we've had under this presidential administration.
Sir, God bless America.
You are a good man.
You are a decent man.
Why are you doing this?
What is Donald Trump saying to you that are making you do something which is violating the decorum of this committee, the rules of this committee, the decency and the respect that we have each other to at least hear each other out?
I've sat through so many long speeches of my colleagues, heard their objection, listened with sincerity to try to see what their arguments are.
But we are not doing that.
Sir, this is wrong.
And you know it.
There are some people on this committee who are the least firebrand people, and they've walked out.
Some of the least controversial people in this Senate, some of the people that worked the hardest to find bipartisan common ground have just walked out of this committee.
And you don't even seem to care, but I know you do.
I know your heart, Senator Grassley.
This is wrong.
I know the kind of person you are, and you know this is wrong.
There's no, this is not necessary.
What is another half an hour to allow senators to be heard?
It's what the Constitution mandates.
It's the ideals of the United States Senate.
The world's most deliberative body should take a decent amount of time to deliberate.
But here we're not doing that.
Here we are jamming this through with some sense of false urgency.
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
It's Thursday, 17 July, Year of the Lord, 2025.
Rachel Bovart's with us.
I'm going to get back to Rachel in a moment on this massive scandal about the Autopen.
But you saw right there, the Senate is now kind of in chaos about the vote for Emil Bove to be an appellate judge.
He's one of President Trump's top lawyers.
And you just saw right there, absolute chaos in the Senate.
MTG joins us right now.
A little bit of chaos in the House.
I'm totally confused about kind of what you're voting on, what is in, what is out.
We hear deals are being made.
Then things get voted on, and it's not in the deal.
Let's talk.
Let's start with the Genius Act.
I'm very confused about the Genius Act.
I thought there was a deal made by the president to make sure that included was going to be the central bank digital currency.
There'd be no possibility of a backdoor to get that.
So where are we?
Steve, let me explain something.
In 1971, we went off of the gold standard.
The Federal Reserve did that.
And we went to cash, a cash society.
And the value of the dollar has drastically gone down to the buying power is less than 10 cents now from where it was in the 1950s before we went off the gold reserve.
What's happening today on July 17th and 2025 when no one is paying attention, no one's talking about it, everyone is in blind rage about the Epstein files, and I don't blame them.
However, right now, what is being voted on today in Congress is the entire setup, groundwork, and entire infrastructure being laid to move from cash to digital currency.
And the number one thing that is not happening today is a ban on a central bank digital currency.
This means the ability for the government to take control of your digital bank account where all your money is and turn it off.
And this is why I'm so upset and it's not being talked about.
Steve, I was the only no vote on the rule last night.
And Congress set a record last night and no one's talking about that either.
This was the longest vote held open for a rule in history, in history.
And it finally shut down sometime around midnight because there was a deal made and the deal will not be honored.
It was a deal that Speaker Johnson made and he said that he would put a ban on central bank digital currency in the NDAA.
But let me tell you something.
That's going to get stripped out in the Senate because what they told us all week long is the Senate does not have the votes to pass a ban on a central bank digital currency.
So I want to lay this out straight for you all.
You never thought in your lifetime that the government would shut you down, would close your churches, would close your schools, would close your business.
And that happened only a few years ago.
But what is happening today is the groundwork is being laid.
And it's all in the name of cryptocurrency and stablecoin, but it is the entire regulatory process to switch us from cash To a cashless society, to digital currency that can be controlled by the federal government.
And there will be no ban on a central bank digital currency.
There will be no way to protect your ability to fully control your digital currency in the future.
And I'm voting no to this today.
I don't know if there will be any other no votes on the Republican side, but I'm voting no to this because I'm a Christian and I've read the Bible and I believe what Revelations 13, 16 through 17 says.
And I just cannot vote for a future system that will do that.
But it's okay.
Hang on, but I thought at one time you had a dozen or maybe 25, you had the House Freedom Caucus plus others that are saying, hey, we don't support any possibility of having a central bank digital currency.
A lot of them are concerned about things in the Genius Act overall, but they're prepared to say we'll let that go forward.
But they're adamant about the central bank digital currency.
Where are all the other dozen, 20, 24 people that were with you?
They remain concerned.
Don't get me wrong.
My colleagues remain.
I'm not in the Freedom Caucus, so I'm going to lay that out right there.
My colleagues remain concerned about a central bank digital currency.
As a matter of fact, that was expressed as a concern by Republicans in every meeting that I was in.
But yet there was no massive effort on a large scale to stop a central bank digital currency.
It's just this.
They were saying we've got to deliver.
The president wants this passed.
We didn't even know about the Genius Act until Monday, but they're saying we have to have this passed.
He wants a signing ceremony on Friday.
He wants this done.
And they're willing to push it forward without guaranteeing and passing on the front end.
My demand is let's do this on the front end.
Let's stop the central bank digital currency first and then let's pass this stuff.
But no one is willing to do that.
They were willing to make deals that I don't believe will hold because we were told all week, Steve, by everyone that a ban on CBDC, central bank digital currency, will not pass in the Senate.
There are not 60 votes for that.
So by Johnson putting it in the NDAA and saying this is our effort to get it to pass, it doesn't mean that it's going to pass in the Senate.
They're going to gut it out.
We watched them do that with the BBB.
They're going to do it with Clarity, the other Bitcoin, the regulatory, the market regulatory bill that will pass today.
They do this all the time and the House constantly gets jammed.
And here's one thing that really makes me angry, Steve.
This was a closed rule.
Johnson did not allow us to make amendments to the Genius Act, to make an amendment to put a ban on CBDC in the Genius Act.
We were told, you don't have a right to amendments.
You don't get to do your legislative process anymore.
You just have to vote on it.
And they forced it through, making what I think is a fake deal.
And I wish the Freedom Caucus had held, but they didn't.
They want to work and they want to pass the president's agenda and I do too.
But I'm not willing to go along with the pathway to a central bank digital currency in a cashless society where none of us can control our money because I don't trust the government and no one else should trust the government.
And just because this administration is committed to that doesn't mean that a future administration will not lock down our bank accounts if we are not doing and saying what they want us to do.
We've already been there.
That was the past four years.
I don't want to ever go back to that.
And I don't want that future for my children, Steve.
And so I am upset today.
I'm adamantly no to this.
And I wish I had more Republicans standing with me.
One last thing before you go also with all these votes coming on today is did seven or eight or nine Republicans join Roe Conna in co-sponsoring?
I saw Burchant's name, Eli Crane, Burleson's, yours, some of the hardest core Trump supporters.
What is this now?
I'm a co-sponsor.
I'm a co-sponsor.
So you're co-sponsoring.
What is the legislation?
What's the legislation?
What's the amendment?
It's legislation.
It's a bill that will call for the DOJ to release the Epstein files.
I was the first co-sponsor with Thomas Massey.
It's a bill, and we've got to do a discharge petition.
So we have to get 218 to sign the discharge petition.
We can pull it out and force a vote on the floor.
Look, I think this is the right thing to do.
Transparency, no matter what.
Whatever the information is, we figure it out when it comes out.
But when it comes to the most famous pedophile in our modern day history that ran in circles with the most rich, elite, and powerful people in the world, yeah, I think America deserves to know.
And one with that, can that actually come to a vote?
I guess you're going to do a discharge position so they can't lock you guys up in the rules.
Would that come to a vote today or tomorrow?
No, it won't because it takes seven days with the discharge petition.
And so that believe that would go into next week, but I don't even know if we're going to be in session next week.
There's a rumor that it may get canceled, but I'm not confirmed on that.
MTG, where do people go on social media and your website?
Because you're in the middle of a number of different fights that people are going to want more information about.
Where do they go?
Rep MTG.
And Steve, let me tell you, you guys need to start paying attention to this.
Digital currency is where we lose control of our money.
And I'm afraid nobody's paying attention to it.
It's happening today.
Thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you giving everybody a heads up on this.
The central bank digital currency.
That would be the Federal Reserve's digital currency.
Rachel Bovart, thank you for giving us some time here to get MTG up before she had to go back to the House.
You saw what happened in the Senate.
I mean, right now, this is as knockdown drag out as you can get.
Why have the Republicans not taking something that is so egregious about all these decisions that were made, and we don't know actually who made them?
And Joe Biden's kind of confessed that.
Why have we not nationalized this, man?
Well, I think it's a huge failure on the part of Republicans.
They are committed to, you know, process and doing these depositions and going through the orderly way of doing things.
This is a national scandal, and they need to be treating it this way.
Do you think Liz Cheney was waiting to the end of the J-6 investigation to nationalize it?
No, absolutely not.
The J-6 standard for this stuff is you do your hearings in prime time, you hire cable news producers to produce the entire thing for you, and you leak selective elements of these transcripts that make your opposition look as guilty as possible and expose the layers of the syndicate that were running the White House on behalf of Joe Biden.
Who do you recommend?
Who's driving this in the House of the Senate?
Anyone right now?
Jamie Comer is leading this investigation and House oversight, and he's doing a good job, right?
He's doing a thorough job.
But at the end of the day, this is a stalling operation by these Biden employees.
They are trying to wait it out.
It is a calculated gamble to push this out until the midterms to see if the House flips control and Democrats make this go away.
Or, and I hate to say this, but they are waiting until Joe Biden dies.
And in that case, they can just claim this investigation is unseemly.
Republicans cannot let them do this.
They have to force these individuals.
They have to grant them immunity.
Either the committee and the House can do it at simple majority, or they need to tell DOJ to do it, but they need to take this Fifth Amendment excuse away from these witnesses and force them to testify because this is a scandal of massive proportions and goes to the heart of what representative government means.
Where do people go on social media to get your writings, ma'am?
You can find me on Twitter at Rachel Bovart and in The Federalist.
We are going to push this article because Rachel Beauvart is on to something big.
Short commercial break.
Back in the warm in just a moment.
America's war room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
Okay, Michael Grunwald joins us now, a kind of a blockbuster book.
We are eating the earth, the race to fix our food system and save our climate.
As you know, with Nicole Shanahan and Bobby Kennedy and others, the make America Healthy Again, and Nicole is at the leading thing about agriculture department and how we eat.
And you can, you know, the thesis of this is that you can cut all the expense of big pharma and stop all this over vaccination and all these drugs if we eat healthier.
Your book is kind of a, I don't know if it's a thing of hope or a slap in the face, but basically your thesis is as before we reach peak population and start to shrink as we go to about 10 billion people, I think we're over eight now,
the very process of modern big agriculture of how we are, how we feed ourselves and particularly how we feed developing nations, in the process of doing that so people don't starve, you're saying we actually have the potential to destroy Earth systems so you don't have a livable planet.
Is that essentially the central thesis of the book?
Yeah, that's right, Steve.
I mean, right now, already two of every five acres of this planet are cropped and grazed, right?
I mean, we have turned a natural planet into an agricultural planet, and it's fine.
We got to eat, right?
But by 2050, we're on track to deforest another dozen California's worth of land, and we just don't have another dozen Californias worth of forest.
So I know a lot of your listeners, they care a lot about the earth.
They care a lot about the planet.
And right now, agriculture is really the big threat to not only the climate stuff, but biodiversity, water pollution, water shortages.
Agriculture uses 70% of our land.
So it really is a challenge that's talking about.
I think this is what's shocking people.
Most people and the way the climate guys have pushed things is that everything's industrialization and additional manufacturing.
And now the power for artificial intelligence is massive power needs we need.
You know, the meta guys are building a data center that's the size of Manhattan down in Louisiana.
People believe it's that.
You come out and say, hey, that's bad, but that's not what's driving it.
It's actually feeding ourselves is what's doing it.
And I take it you're saying the forest, because the United States looks like we're getting more forest or the forests are growing all the time.
Are you talking about the rainforest in Brazil and in that area of the world?
Yeah, that's a big part of it.
We're essentially kind of outsourcing our deforestation, right?
Because we already, you know, Indiana used to be 85% forest and, you know, we already tore down our Amazon.
But it's true.
And right now you hear a lot from both on the left from the kind of Bernie Sanders and, you know, Corey Booker types I saw you just had him on, but also some on the right from Joe Rogan or Robert Kennedy Jr., this idea that, oh, well, we just need these kind of twee organic farms with no chemicals.
And there are some nice things about that.
But if you're making less food per acre, you're going to need a lot more acres to make food.
And that's essentially going to eat more of the earth.
That's really what I'm talking about.
So these things are complicated.
In Sri Lanka, they banned all these agrochemicals.
And I understand why people don't like the fertilizers and they don't like the pesticides.
But the fertilizers help stuff grow.
And the pesticides are pretty good at killing pests.
And in Sri Lanka, they had incredible food shortages.
The government fell.
There were massive riots.
You know, this is not the future that we want.
Hold it.
This is what, because you're still contributing to the New York Times.
And in the book, correct me if I'm wrong, you actually make a case for certain GMOs.
Because this is why I want people to read the book, because it's not the kind of left-right debate we've had.
It's totally different.
You're arguing for pesticides.
You're arguing for fertilizer.
You're actually also arguing for certain GMOs.
Yeah, again, there's really no evidence that they're harmful to your health.
I mean, I think a lot of things that people eat, like Twinkies have GMOs in them, but they're not unhealthy because they're GMOs.
They're unhealthy because they're Twinkies, you know, they're junk food.
And I do think some GMOs have really been overhyped.
But in the future, as you start gene editing, if you can gene edit crops to have higher yields, to be more drought tolerant, heat tolerant, that's not a left-wing or a right-wing thing.
That's just a common sense, let's make more food with less land thing so that we don't have to tear down the Amazon and drain all these wetlands and create these problems that are unnecessary.
So small, because of efficiency or effectiveness, one of the issues that the MAGA movement is taking on is big agriculture.
We've had this whole problem with big agriculture now pushing for amnesty, for keeping these kind of indentured servants below minimum wage or below a wage they can live on, and they want more.
They want amnesty for this.
So big agriculture has kind of come in the target set of not just Bobby Kennedy, but really Nicole Shanahan has become the leading voice on this and was adamant when these selections were made to the Department of Agriculture.
You've gone through this, and I'm not saying you're critical, but you make the observations that all this great stuff about organic farming, all this, you can't get the yields, you can't get the scale you need to feed people.
So you actually come down on the side of big agriculture?
Well, I think people are right to complain about the political power of big ag, right?
I had a piece in the New York Times about this the other day, how it's absurd the kind of billions of dollars that we're throwing at really well-off farmers so that they can buy a new Ford F-150 every year.
And there's really no strings attached.
So it's just, and around the world, there's $600 billion worth of agricultural subsidies every year that really makes no difference for anyone except for those farmers.
It's just coming out of our pockets.
And I think farmers get all kind of exemptions from regulations, not just environmental regulations, but in the United States, even the regulations for how many hours a truck driver can drive, there's an exemption if they're making agricultural deliveries.
So they're pretty much the most powerful lobby in Washington, and I get why people do it.
And I get why people don't like factory farms, right?
They treat people badly.
They treat animals badly.
They make a big mess.
But one thing factories do really well is manufacture a lot of stuff.
And we're going to have to manufacture more food over the next 30 years than we've manufactured over the last 12,000.
So my case is sort of like, hey, whether you're big or small, we need you to manufacture a lot of food, but you just got to do it with less mess.
Hold it.
Walk us through that number again.
We're going to have to produce or manufacture more food over the next 30 years than we've done in the previous 12,000?
That's right.
That's right.
We're going to have to do about 50% more food than we're making now.
And again, we're already making way more than we have.
Since the Green Revolution, we've tripled our yields.
So if it wasn't for all these chemicals and advanced seeds and fertilizers and irrigation, we would need three times as much land to make the amount of food that we're using today To feed 8 billion people.
To feed 10 billion, we're going to need a lot more food.
We're going to need a lot more meat.
And of course, people hate when I say this, but beef is a spectacularly inefficient form of nutrition for us where we're getting about 3% of our calories from beef and it's using half of our agricultural land.
So, again, I'm not going to be popular with this book with the left, with the right, left-wingers, right-wingers, buffalo wingers.
Nobody's going to like this, but I'm just trying to spit some facts, you know.
That's where I had you on when I read it.
I go, this guy, everybody's going to hate this guy.
So what is a bad way to celebrate this?
Well, a lot of people may hate read it.
What is your recommendation here?
Look, America, farming is the backbone of the country culturally in the myth of America, our founding today.
What's your recommendation for, and it's also obviously today a huge industry.
What's your recommendation for the United States in going forward here, sir?
Right.
Well, I think, again, like we do, you know, they do remind us of this a lot, but it's true.
We owe our farmers a great debt, right?
They make it that the 1% of us who farm make it so the other 90% of us can have awesome radio shows and write awesome books about you know the problems in agriculture and be doctors and bankers and influencers and you have it.
You know, our food does not just miraculously materialize on our grocery shelves.
And so we should have respect for them.
And in fact, in the United States, we should honor the very efficient way that they make our food.
And we should encourage the rest of the world to be more like us.
And we should be trying to export our food to the rest of the world.
But what we should not be doing is just giving them a lot of money and just saying, here, we're giving this money because we love you and because you have great heartland values.
We should be attaching some strings to it and saying like, hey, we want to help you make even more food, but you've got to do it with less land and making less of a mess.
Do you think in the United States, how much land is turned to agriculture today?
And what would you recommend?
You're actually saying take land back from the farmers and what turn it turn it back into forest?
Not really in the United States, right?
Because we're so efficient.
But if we can make even more food, and by the way, I will point out, stop using 40 million acres of corn in the middle of the country, like some of the best farmland in the country, and put it into our cars, which is really absurd and just makes our gasoline and our food more expensive, these biofuels like corn ethanol.
I think we want them to make even more food that they can export it to the rest of the world so that they don't have to tear down their forests and drain their wetlands.
Because honestly, in the United States, that ship already sailed.
Michael, Where do they get you?
What's your social media and where do people get the book?
I'm at Mike Grunwald on X. And you can find my book wherever books are sold on Amazon, on Barnes Noble, and at your local bookstore.
And I really appreciate you having me on, Steve.
I think this is, you know, I want everybody to hear this message because it's not getting out there.
And a lot of the only people who seem to care about sustainable farming have been way left and putting out these, I think, really absurd ideas.
So I think the rest of the country needs to start grappling with this stuff.
And even though it's true that a lot of people might hate the book, I grappled.
No, no, no.
But are you going to debate like the GMO people?
You have some people here that, like GMO, it's a religious conviction.
Are you going to get on a stage and debate the GMO people?
I did.
You would have loved this.
At Berkeley, I did a debate with this kind of big agroecology guy.
And you know, Alice Waters, the big organic chef in San Francisco, charges like $500 a plate.
She was sitting in the third row, just like glaring at me the whole time.
It was great.
Grunwalt, you're making a lot of enemies on this book.
That's why it should be read.
Thank you so much for taking time to join us today in the war room.
I appreciate it, Steve.
I'll be back anytime.
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It's true.
Monday, we'll be one.
Warroom.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
I definitely recommend you read the Grenwall book.
He's taking incoming from both sides, and he's actually making a case that has been made, I think, by a major person that, you know, things you're done in fertilizers, pesticides, GMOs, et cetera, which have been kind of trashed for decades.
He's actually making a case that if you want to feed humanity, you got to get serious about that.
Look, the book's far from perfect, but he's taken incoming.
You just said right there at Berkeley, where he had the organic, the perfect for the foodies, those restaurants that's $500 a plate because the food is farm to table and absolutely made with pure rainwater and all that.
She was glaring at him for what he had to say.
So anyway, it's an interesting read.
But remember, as he said, we're going to have to produce, so if mankind doesn't starve, you're going to have to produce in the next, what, 50 years, more food than we've produced in the previous 12,000.
So it's just about scale.
Alex Jones joins us.
Alex, first off, you have been, I think, the first to warn the nation about the issue of digital currency and particularly a central bank digital currency.
It looks like today that President Trump wrote an executive order about digital currency.
One of the things people said, hey, it doesn't shut down the possibility of central bank digital currency.
The Genius Act didn't do it.
They've got a deal that they're going to slip something in the NDAA, but that may not pass the Senate.
Just, can you give your overall, the audience, your overall observations when it comes to the potential dangers of a central bank digital currency, sir?
It's really hard to overstate how dangerous it is.
It is literally the mark of the beast system, a global social credit score, the ESG corporate governance systems right down into your smart devices, your phone, the smart appliances, the AI, surveilling everyone in lifetime.
As you know, China's already had it in place about seven years.
Ground robots, drones being directed by it.
The goal is you can't leave one foot outside your house, to quote the Chinese communist government, if you're not in good standing.
You can't get on a train.
You can't rent a car.
You can't run a hotel.
You can't have a job.
And the UN, the WF, and others for decades, and Bill Gates has been heavily involved, have already created the standardization for this with China for a global rollout of central bank digital currencies that the nations then could port to.
And essentially, it'll end up being one big global corporate new currency that would replace the dollar.
So Trump wisely in the last few years said he is against any central bank digital currency system, and he would oppose one foreign, which is basically what the BRICS is forming, and that he would oppose one here.
And he has supported Bitcoin and things that actually diversify currencies to the public that are free and open and open source and a competing market of currencies, which is the answer.
And so it's really the ring of Sauron to bind everybody together with total control.
And we have the head of the IMF and the World Bank and the International Make of Settlements and the head of the UN and all of them.
We have Tedros, the head of the WHO, saying we need a global central bank digital currency to control everything you do, to lock you down during new pandemics they've got planned.
This is the mechanism.
It'll be your internet ID.
It'll do everything.
And if we think as populists and conservatives and Christians and common sense people that we've been debanked and harassed as conservatives before, this is exponentially more dangerous.
And the big international banks that the Federal Reserve is part of, private, they have said this is their holy grail and they're really, really trying to roll it out.
And so the fact that there is a pathway to this with a digital central bank digital currency dollar in this Genius Act and that only MTG and you and a few others have been exposing it is a nightmare.
But 11th hour, we shot down thanks to you and others exposing it when they had mainly pro votes for it.
A large majority were supporting the AI liability protection for 10 years from the states and individuals where AI would basically be above the law and could do whatever it wanted.
That was just a blank check.
We were able to then shoot that down in the big, beautiful bill, 99 to 1 vote.
And so I think as we expose this section of the Genius Act, I believe that we can probably get that pulled out as well, because I would imagine, you know, Trump sticks to his guns and understands this.
And I don't think that Trump probably even knows about this at this point.
You might go have lunch with him again and update him on what's happening.
But I think if we cause a big enough stink about this, we can shoot this down.
But at the end of the day, it's a threat to the dollar.
Yeah.
They say they're going to put it in.
They've committed to put it in the House version of the NDA, whether it passed the Senate, but this thing's going to be a fight for the next couple of weeks.
But once again, you're saying, hey, this is something we can't even let the possibility of happening because there's so many vested interests that want it to happen.
Absolutely.
I mean, I'm sure you've seen Eclipse, but it's all the big UN officials.
It's all the central bank heads.
It's every time they have a Debos meeting, it's constant.
They say, oh, we're going to control where you go and what you do.
And we're going to carbon tax you with this and vaccine passports.
And we're going to track how much meat you eat.
And then you'll have an allotment of how much you're even allowed to buy.
And it's just exponentially bad.
We know under Biden, they hired 87,000 new IRS agents to target blue-collar workers to cross the economy.
And it came out they were using AI with no warrants in live time with all the big banks watching everybody's transactions.
And then a waiter that didn't pay $5,000 in taxes for tips over a year gets hit by the IRS.
No warrants, nothing.
That's just a small window into what this would be like.
But everything being tracked in live time, as you know, two years ago, they passed the bill.
It was already in all the new cars for a decade.
But the Biden administration signed off on it and pushed it that all the new cars track you in live time and have cameras and microphones embedded, watching and listening to you, reporting back.
And they admit this is a plan for road taxing by the federal government.
And so I remember 20 years ago when the smart meters came out, the industry said, oh, we're going to use this to control your meters, you know, for the environment and the earth.
People said, oh, they'll never do that.
And now the last five years, California, Colorado, you name it, people get notices on their phone and it says on the smart meter and it says on the smart thermostat that's connected to the smart meter that they're controlling in your house, hey, we're turning the AC from 75 up to 85 because it's for the earth.
I mean, this is a nightmare scenario.
The media, I gave up this morning, the media is reporting that you've divorced yourself from President Trump.
I think it's probably farthest from the truth.
Can you just explain to the audience for a second this Epstein situation and your ongoing relationship with the president and supporting his policies and him?
Absolutely.
I'd love to clarify that.
CNN, Wall Street Journal, the front of Drudge is basically the Democrat Party mouthpiece.
Jones divorces Trump.
Trump divorces him and anybody else that questions Epstein.
That is totally not true.
They've taken little short clips out of context as they always do.
I love the president.
He has incredible courage.
He's getting so much done on the economy, the border, national security.
They're really ramping up deportations.
They're now found 30,000 of the missing children and prosecutions are beginning.
They fired Maureen Comey that ran with her father.
The Epstein case cover-up's on record.
So we're really seeing a lot of traction.
And in many ways, Trump's doing better than I thought he would do in his first 170 days.
But the PR handling of this now 12 days ago, when they slip out this memo to Axios, the globalist mouthpiece, and say he didn't, Epstein wasn't murdered.
There was no blackmail rings.
Basically, Epstein didn't basically even jaywalk.
And none of this exists.
This needs to go away.
That's a 180 from everything that the record shows and what Trump and his surrogates have been saying that they were going to do.
And I simply said, this is a disaster.
And I said, I believe Trump just wants to move on from this.
And I said that last Monday when it was all breaking.
I surmise that we know the Democrats have had this file.
They're not going to leave stuff in there that incriminates them.
And the whole history of it, it's 90 plus percent Democrats and globalists like Bill Gates, you know, that are heavily involved in the island and all the, you know, stuff that's going on.
And so as soon as the FBI raided back in March, the New York FBI, when they wouldn't turn over the files, I believe that was a setup.
And they dropped a dime on themselves and said, oh, there's 14 terabytes of all these kids being raped and Epstein raping them and all the rest of it.
And then Pambondi gets it, gives it to the FBI, which I confirm from sources.
They send it out to all the offices around the country.
Look at the file.
They come back and say, oh, there's a bunch of FBI reports and implicating people in the orbit of Trump with no real evidence.
And then Trump went, what the hell?
Another Russia gate.
And so he didn't clarify that the first few days.
He just said, you know, people need to basically shut this down.
It's bull.
And then he hasn't really clarified when he says it's a hoax.
It's a Democrat hoax.
He's not saying that the Epstein isn't a bad guy and that he wasn't involved in all this evil stuff with the deep state with no connections to Trump that are based in any reality.
He just says it's a hoax.
People go, well, wait, Epstein's not a hoax because Lane was convicted of this very stuff and he'd been charged with it and was convicted once 15, 16 years ago of lesser charges in Florida.
So Trump, I think, needs to be very clear that, no, the Epstein case and the evil he did is very real, but they've been in control of this file, Brennan Clapper and all the rest of them.
And it makes total sense that they falsified all these other records, The Crossfire Hurricane, the Steel dossier, all run by Obama.
Hang on.
Are we going to get into the back of that by having a special prosecutor?
I mean, they're supposed to declassify certain documents today.
We know DNI had a big meeting, I think, on Sunday to talk about declassification.
Is that whole criminal conspiracy against Trump for the last 10 years?
Because this is kind of part of it.
Is that going to be exposed?
And you think that that deserves a special prosecutor immediately so we can kind of get on with it?
Because the Justice Department's overwhelmed with defending President Trump against 175 lawsuits that have come in.
FBI is overwhelmed.
Do you need a special prosecutor to get to the core heart of it, of the conspiracy to remove Trump from office?
Absolutely.
I've been calling for a special prosecutor since he was president-elect.
I knew this was going to become a big issue.
The Democrats had never wanted any Epstein information released in the previous 15 years.
Now they want, quote, it all released because they were in control of all the investigations with Comey at the top, his daughter, down at the ground level, literally being given all the cases to limit it only to lower charges and keep it away from Epstein's handlers.
And so exactly.
Here's the bottom line.
It makes perfect sense, and that's their past MO, and that's what the globalist and Brennan and Comey and Clapper that ran all these other hoaxes have done, that of course, whatever they left in the files that the Trump DOJ was finally able to get is going to cover up anything they did and then put a bunch of disinfo and FBI reports and Jane Doe's that have already turned out to be fake, a rehash of all of that kind of EGE Carroll type garbage.
And then Trump, when they came back and reported to him a few months ago, what the hell are you talking about?
Oh my God, it's another Russia hoax.
And then he's all pissed off about it.
And then I just don't think he handled it very, very well.
It needs to be specific.
And yes, a special prosecutor.
I called for that again last week.
I called for it in the last few days.
Now we know that Solomon and others, very respected journalists, have talked to Trump.
He says, indeed, that's what he wants.
And so that's great.
But don't have Cash Patel and Bongino two months ago try to get ahead of this when they found out, oh my God, these files have been set up.
Hang on one second.
We'll hold you through the break.
Hang on.
Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Matt.
Alex Jones, they've talked about this grand criminal conspiracy against Trump over a decade, and that is what they're focused on.
You see these leaks about Brennan and Comey.
I understand that they're talking about a special prosecutor of that so they can bundle it all up and have somebody go through this systematically.
Do you agree with that thesis that that's what they should do?
Well, you and I have been saying that for years.
And so is General Flynn and others.
It is an absolute maximum imperative.
We have them with Crossfire Hurricane.
We have the documents released by the CIA director and the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.
We have them.
It's open and shut, directed by Obama.
And all they've got to do is bring in Clapper for questioning.
He's the weak link.
He will sing like a canary.
It must be done.
This deep state has committed treason against this country.
They stole the 2020 election.
They ran all these other hoaxes that were attempting coups against our republic.
They set us up on J6.
They've done all of these things.
And they've been in control of the Epstein cover-up.
They obviously put whatever now the DOJ discovered in there that has enraged Trump.
I totally believe Trump makes perfect sense.
That's all these people have done.
And so they have to turn it around against them.
They have to be specific about why Trump's saying it's a setup.
The files are full of fake BS.
They need to have press conferences.
They need to go to full war and more stuff like firing Maureen Comey, who for those that don't know, was given all the Epstein cases and the Diddy cases and all this to limit it and keep the deep state connections and intelligence agency connections out of it.
So this has been horribly managed.
I need Trump to succeed.
Our lives, our country, our future, the West, the world depends on it.
And so when I see somebody that's so important to the world, the most important person in the world right now, making horrible decisions and creating the ultimate Streisand effect when they had, you know, months and months and months ago, the binders and phase one, well, where's phase two?
And then we're going to get to the bottom of it.
And there's a cover-up.
And then we're told nothing happened.
You're not a MAGA supporter if you don't shut up.
Don't ask questions.
That is exactly what I'd do if I wanted to hand the Democrats a total victory.
These people are routed.
Their poll number is the lowest ever.
Their fundraising has flatlined.
It's game over if we press the attack.
And America wants indictments.
We don't just want the head of the FBI in New York to covered up the files, fired.
We want him arrested.
We want him indicted.
We want Maureen Comey and her father, who perjured himself to Congress and admitted he did over and over and over again.
These people declared war on America.
We accepted the challenge.
We've taken the major beachhead.
We're winning.
But now we've got to press the attack now because our enemies are cornered, vicious rats.
And now is the time.
It is existential.
And Ed Martin that they fear, I believe is the man to not just lead the government weaponization task force and the head pardon lawyer, but he is the man.
They should give him a $5 billion budget to go to war with the deep state.
And Trump should call his cabinet in today and tell his director of national intelligence and the CIA, Ratcliffe, and all of them, I want in a week, I want all my powers spelled out.
I want all the powers you have spelled out constitutionally.
I want all this information that we know is cut and dry.
And I want indictments now.
I want to go on the attack now.
It is time to finish off the globalist.
And just to reiterate that, Corey Booker just led a walkout in the Senate floor with chaos at the committee meeting To approve and confirm Emil Bovey as an appellate judge.
My point is, they're at war.
They're not going to back off.
They just put a statement out, I think, that they're not going to confirm any other judges.
They're going to go through, grind the Senate to a halt on any more confirmation.
So it couldn't be clearer.
We got to go to war with these people.
We might as well have it now.
Alex Jones, brilliant assessment.
Where do people get your show?
Where do they get you on social media?
They've been trying to shut you down aggressively for the last two or three years.
How do people get you?
Real Alex Jones on X. I'm also on Rumble, infowars.com forward slash show.
And major update.
I know we don't have time.
I know Lindell's coming up, but they appointed a receiver at the same Democrat state judge court that ran the show trial because the federal judge wouldn't shut down InfoWars.
So now they've appointed a receiver to try to shut us down the next two weeks.
We're blocking it, but you're right.
And Paul Weiss law firm that confessed in their own words, criminal activity against Trump and said they'd pay a $40 million restitution for it.
They're the law firm running all of this when they promised Trump to stop lawfare against him and his supporters.
No, they're saying that they have backed off, but they have not backed off.
And they're still attacking me.
You know behind the scenes they're attacking Trump.
And so I know Ed Martin and others are looking into that as well.
But Paul Weiss and these groups are in a criminal, in my view, opinion, conspiracy against the American people and waging war on us.
And it's time for the DOJ to go on the attack.
By the way, real quickly, you said in the next two weeks they're going to try to shut down InfoWars again, this whole fiasco we went through about six months ago?
Yes, they tried four times last year, had a fake auction, said that Bloomberg-backed Onion bought it, and then it wasn't a real auction.
The federal judge said this is a fraud.
And then they had the U.S. trustee from the DOJ, and the judge fired the last one.
They had the new one come in here just three months, four months ago, and turn the internet off and say, kick us out of the building with no court order.
We went and blocked that.
And so the federal judge is saying, listen, you can sell InfoWars and we have big buyers that'll give them a bunch of money.
And they say in filings, we don't want money.
We want him off the air.
And the federal judge says, you don't get that in quote restitution.
Plus, my cases are all on appeal.
The Third Circuit in Texas, who are Democrats, signaled they're going to overturn the judgment.
Even Bloomberg reported that.
So they're in big trouble.
And so they need this win to paper over the insane behavior.
In fact, today I'm exposing the biggest news yet.
And that's a whole nother subject, Steve, in this, but we discovered not just DOJ money to the original law firms that started all this, the Democrat Party groups with Senator Blumenthal's operation in Connecticut.
Then when they give the DOJ money to the, quote, Sandy Hook charities, the people suing me, as soon as they're given millions of dollars within one week of that, then the law firms bill those people that exact amount and they're given the exact amount of the DOJ money.
Yeah.
I'll grab you after the show.
We want to have you back on tomorrow through all this.
They can't shut down.
InfoWars can't shut down Alex Jones.
Alex, thank you.
Fighting the good fight.
Wow.
Unbelievable what they're doing to it.
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