July 14, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| And so the real question is not, was Jeffrey Epstein a weirdo who was abusing girls? | ||
| Yes, we can answer that. | ||
| The real question is, why was he doing this on whose behalf and where did the money come from? | ||
| And those are the questions that need to be answered. | ||
| And I think it's entirely fair to ask them. | ||
| And it's not adequate to say anyone who asked them is somehow desecrating the memory of little girls who died in Texas. | ||
| They're not going to put up with that answer. | ||
| I don't care who gives that answer. | ||
| That is not acceptable. | ||
| And I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel services, probably not American. | ||
| And we have every right to ask on whose behalf was he working? | ||
| How does a guy go from being a math teacher at the Dalton School in the late 70s with no college degree to having multiple airplanes, a private island, and the largest residential house in Manhattan? | ||
| Where did all the money come from? | ||
| And no one has ever gotten to the bottom of that because no one has ever tried. | ||
| And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government. | ||
| Now, no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty. | ||
| There is nothing wrong with saying that. | ||
| There is nothing hateful about saying that. | ||
| There's nothing anti-Semitic about saying that. | ||
| There's nothing even anti-Israel about saying that. | ||
| I've spent my entire life pretty much in Washington where I knew and loved a number of people, including one very close person who worked at CIA. | ||
| That has never prohibited me from saying, I think the CIA has done some horrible things, murdered a bunch of people, participated in the murder of a sitting U.S. president. | ||
| It's got a whole trail of crimes. | ||
| That doesn't make me a disloyal American. | ||
| It doesn't make me anti-American in any sense. | ||
| I was born here. | ||
| My family's been here for hundreds of years. | ||
| I love this country. | ||
| That's why I live here. | ||
| So criticizing the behavior of a government agency does not make you a hater. | ||
| It makes you a free person. | ||
| It makes you a citizen. | ||
| You're allowed to do that because you're not a slave. | ||
| You're a citizen. | ||
| Because I've argued for this from the beginning. | ||
| That in that arc of looking at how the deep state has tried to stop Trump and the MAGA movement, you can easily fit in the Epstein situation, right? | ||
| If you want the full release of documents, the special prosecutor gets it. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| Epstein is a key that picks the lock on so many things. | ||
| Not just individuals, but also institutions, intelligence institutions, foreign governments, and who is working with him on our intelligence apparatus and in our government. | ||
| This is why it's a time for choosing now. | ||
| We have to decide right now and back to presidents and say, hey, look, all of your great work, you just heard Tom Holman, you're about to hear Christy Noam, of closing the border. | ||
| How did we get 10 or 11 or 12 or 20 million on Biden's watch? | ||
| That was absolutely, that was a plan they had. | ||
| That wasn't random. | ||
| That has to be investigated and people held accountable like all these other things. | ||
| This is why the Justice Department is clearly overwhelmed with what they're working on. | ||
| The FBI is overwhelmed. | ||
| We only have two guys at the FBI. | ||
| We have a handful of people at the Justice Department. | ||
| The special counsel or special prosecutor can take on many projects and add people to it. | ||
| You have to get to the bottom of how the invasion took place. | ||
| Why we now have to put up $170 billion in the latest bill to do this. | ||
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Why is this issue so important to the MAGA base? | |
| Steve Bannon explained it pretty well in a clip that you showed from the Turning Point Conference. | ||
| And this was a theme. | ||
| You saw the conference split between people who worked for Trump or running for office who didn't talk about this and every other influencer who did. | ||
| And the Bannett perspective, which is widely shared, is that there is a deep state that if it could cover this up, can cover up who knows how many crimes against Donald Trump, crimes against the American people. | ||
| There must be something hidden in the Epstein record that would embarrass, much like the Church Commission 40 years ago, 50 years ago, I should say, embarrass the security state. | ||
| There must be that material in the Epstein files, TBD, unproven so far. | ||
| The other part of it is that from the people who were booing in that audience is a real belief that there are people walking, you were talking about Pepsi walking on Palm Beach, people like that walking free right now who committed terrible crimes that have not been exposed and based on what happened here would never be exposed. | ||
| And so I would say that the anger is being redirected by these influencers a little bit away from Trump towards Pam Bondi. | ||
| You saw it in that Megan Kelly clip. | ||
| A theme there in our reporting, Shelby Talkout's reporting Axios, back this up, is that Van Bongino and to a lesser extent, Patel are seen as the people who were pushing from the outside even more than Trump was for four years that this need to be released. | ||
| That Bondi can't be trusted because she's a glory hog in the way that Kelly was putting it. | ||
| But it comes from these two fears. | ||
| One, that there are real crimes people got away with. | ||
| Two, is that if you expose those real crimes, think of the temples that can crumble in front of Donald Trump. | ||
| Why don't they want to do that? | ||
| That's the question the base has. | ||
| The president has been considering you as the successor to Jay Powell. | ||
| He said some very nice things about you to me recently when I was talking with him. | ||
| Powell's term is up in May, but there's also an opening in the Federal Reserve in January. | ||
| Would you be poised to accept the position on the board in January? | ||
| I had that job. | ||
| I was a governor for six years during the financial crisis. | ||
| It's a great job to have. | ||
| It's up to the president to make whatever decisions he wants, but I think what we need is regime change at the Fed, and that's not just about the chairman. | ||
| It's about a whole range of people. | ||
| It's about changing their mindset and their models. | ||
| And frankly, it's about breaking some heads, because the way they've been doing business is not working. | ||
| Maybe in New York, maybe in Washington, people think that it's great to have a Fed chair as a martyr, but that's not what the American people need. | ||
| They need a reformer to fix this so that the Federal Reserve can get on the right side. | ||
| I'll just leave you with this, Maria. | ||
| This period reminds me of the 1990s. | ||
| What's happening now is the most transformative time in American economic history in a very long time. | ||
| Productivity should be booming in the next five to ten years because of technology. | ||
| The U.S. should be at the very forefront of that. | ||
| President calls it the golden age, and he could well be right about this. | ||
| Alan Greenspan kept rates low because he knew these policies were structurally disinflationary. | ||
| The Fed doesn't have that view, and they're working against that agenda. | ||
| If you recognize what an important moment this is, the Fed needs to be part of it, and the Fed needs to understand where we are in our economic future. | ||
| We talk about Putin not being nice. | ||
| On some nights last week, more than 700 drones and missiles were over Ukraine, many of them over Kyiv. | ||
| The damage was largely in civilian areas. | ||
| These were not, for the most part, military targets. | ||
| So, yeah, that's not nice. | ||
| So, for six months now, President Trump has been alternating between making threats about Russia and returning to his initial hope that he could negotiate a peace deal. | ||
| He finally seems to understand that without more pressure, he's not going to get anything like a resolution of this conflict, which he often speaks about emotionally. | ||
| He speaks about the death on the battlefield, hundreds and thousands of people killed. | ||
| So what this package involves, as he said, is the U.S. selling weapons to our NATO allies in Europe, who will then probably give them to Ukraine. | ||
| And they'll include, most importantly, given this barrage on Ukrainian cities, Patriot missiles, which are really the only defense against the big ballistic missiles that Russia has been firing, and a range of other weapons. | ||
| We don't know yet exactly whether they'll include deep strike weapons. | ||
| That would be a significant escalation if the U.S. does put Moscow in range. | ||
| That would be a big change from the limits that the Biden administration had imposed, typically 200 kilometers into Russia, not all the way to Moscow. | ||
| So we'll wait and see about the details of the package. | ||
| There are two issues that I would underline for your viewers. | ||
| One is whether these new weapons, offensive and defensive, will be enough to change Vladimir Putin's calculus about whether this war is worth continuing. | ||
| And the second is whether these new weapons and Trump's support for Ukraine is sustainable. | ||
| Trump on Ukraine, as on so many other issues, has oscillated. | ||
| One week he's here, another week he's there. | ||
| And what Ukraine needs, as financial markets need, is reliability and predictability. | ||
| They're fighting a war. | ||
| Morale questions in this war, I think, are increasingly important. | ||
| The Russians plan to launch an offensive through the summer and gain significant territory. | ||
| So it's a moment for clear, sustained U.S. policy. | ||
| We'll see today when Trump meets with the NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta, a European Trump likes, because he's been a supporter of Trump's defense build-up policies. | ||
| We'll see exactly what the details are. | ||
| But again, the question is, can it be sustained and will it actually change Putin's mind? | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | |
| It's Monday, 14 July, the year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| With so much going on, the rescissions package up for a vote. | ||
| Looks like an economic resurgence with President Trump's policies. | ||
| Markets are on fire right now. | ||
| Unfortunately, the Alban market, I'll talk about that, about people figuring out how we're going to pay for all this. | ||
| With all this going on and this controversy about the institutions of the United States, we'll refer to the deep state. | ||
| You just heard Kevin Warsh there on Maria yesterday. | ||
| Kevin Warsh is probably the most steadiest of the steady Eddies. | ||
| He's talking about regime change at the Federal Reserve, not just replacing the chairman who is under onslaught by OMB, our good friend Russ Vogt and others, for $2.5 billion spending on, I guess, redoing the Temple of the Federal Reserve. | ||
| He's under onslaught there. | ||
| Warsh is flat out running to be Fed chair. | ||
| He's talking about regime change to basically clear up the entire building. | ||
| Obviously, you started with Tucker, myself, others. | ||
| I think Dave Weigel gave an absolutely, Dave Weigel from Semaphore gave a great summary of what the weekend was about, about this institutional, the deep state, who actually runs the country. | ||
| And I keep saying the three most powerful institutions in Washington, D.C. are the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Reserve, and CENCOM down in Tampa, Florida, and in the Middle East. | ||
| We're going to get all into that today. | ||
| We're going to call some audibles here. | ||
| The Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rute, a Dutch politician who is quite close to President Trump because he's the one guy that backed, at least eventually, NATO increasing their spending. | ||
| They're increasing their spending because of Ukraine. | ||
| It doesn't really hit into 2035, but at least directionally, it's correct. | ||
| He's coming to the White House for consultation of an expanded American role in the Ukraine war. | ||
| Actually, I think for many of the people in the America First movement, it's quite shocking that today we're actually talking about a major offensive, not just defensive weapons, Patriot missiles, that they're stripping out of the Indo-Pacific to thwart off any type of invasion of Taiwan. | ||
| You know, we had the Taiwan ambassador on last week, ambassador to the United States, about the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Navy actually doing rehearsals for an invasion. | ||
| But now over the weekend, it's talked about not just a huge package of defensive weapons and Patriot missiles, but actually offensive weapons and weapons from the United States, of course, sold through NATO, that could give the Ukrainians offensive capability, not simply offensive capability, something that heretofore we've been adamantly opposed to. | ||
| Even the Biden administration wouldn't do that, or if they did it, they did it on the side. | ||
| But the ability to hit Moscow. | ||
| As I've said, you know, the convergence, and you got Bibi Netanyahu and Tel Aviv Levin and the Israel First Crowd cheering on regime change in Iran. | ||
| I said, by Labor Day, let's take the 1st of September, always a memorable day for European wars. | ||
| You're going to see the merger of these two conflicts. | ||
| We are rapidly moving, inexorably being drawn in to a major war on the Eurasian landmass in Ukraine, where we will be a combatant. | ||
| And we're being also drawn in, they continue to try to draw us in, President Trump's taking a pretty tough line, to be drawn into a regime change conflict in Iran. | ||
| And those two are going to merge. | ||
| So all the people said, oh, with Third World War to start, Third World War is here, bro. | ||
| Been here. | ||
| Millions dead or wounded already. | ||
| It's about to get a lot nastier. | ||
| It's about to get, we're going to go up a couple of notches. | ||
| And the United States, by supplying offensive capabilities, is now just like in the first, in the 12-day war. | ||
| You're going to go from a supplier of weapons to someone that helps them figure out how to use them, to join as a combatant on the defensive side to join as a combatant on the offensive side, regardless of whether NATO's the middleman or not. | ||
| NATO Secretary General at the White House, we have Dan Caldwell, Ben Harnwell from Rome next in the war rooms. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| Nothing like going next level in the Third World War, which is already here. | ||
| Don't let any of these people say, oh, in the 12-day war, we didn't, you know, all these people panicked and they were all worried about the Third World War. | ||
| Third World War is here in the two fronts of it right now. | ||
| And those two fronts are of little interest to people in the United States about the vital national security interests of the United States of America. | ||
| Here's what's important in the vital national security interests of the United States, which we have preached this gospel now for years. | ||
| The southern border and the invasion of 10 to, I don't know, 20 or 30 million illegal aliens, but at least 10 to 20 on Biden's watch and to deport them out of this country immediately as a national security concern. | ||
| Number two is in East Asia, the beginning of the third island chain, where the Chinese Communist Party is getting ready, rehearsing a potential invasion of Taiwan, which if you think all this, you know, all the AI guys and, hey, we're going to have this great economy and productivity is going to increase and stock markets are going to go to the moon. | ||
| Everybody's going to get a much better job where they have to do very little because AI is going to do it for you. | ||
| Well, that's not going to happen if Taiwan falls and the chip manufacturers over there become under the control of the Chinese Communist Party or destroyed. | ||
| The United States, our economy will drop, I don't know, 10, 15% without access to those chips because the factories in Arizona and in Phoenix area, in Ohio and other places, they're not going to be ready for a decade. | ||
| And the production of these advanced chips, if you study it, is a science and an art. | ||
| Just not going to magically wave a wand and say you're going to be able to do it. | ||
| That's a long-term project we've argued for years that we need to do. | ||
| But now we're in a terrible situation. | ||
| And this is not wag the dog. | ||
| A lot of people say, well, this is all wag the dog to get off from the Epstein and all the other stuff. | ||
| No, and we have to pursue both of those. | ||
| John Solomon being in the second hour about this situation with an investigation into the deep states that's going to go. | ||
| And I believe they will announce a special prosecutor, I think, sometime later this week or next week. | ||
| And Mike Benz is going to, you know, the great Mike Benz is going to go through. | ||
| We're going to talk about the Central Intelligence Agency and other aspects of this, of Epstein and other things, about the CIA right now and the fantastic job the CIA is doing. | ||
| And like, who are they actually working for? | ||
| And who are they working with right now? | ||
| And what intelligence are we getting? | ||
| But we have to deal with what's in front of us. | ||
| The Secretary General of NATO was not scheduled to come. | ||
| That was kind of put on the calendar here in the last couple of days. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Folks better start paying attention. | ||
| I said this for the last two weeks. | ||
| The most important story out here we're not spending enough time on is Ukraine. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because that's a big-ass war. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| There's 2 million people dead or wounded already, and parts of Ukraine look like the Western Front in World War I, or parts of it look like Dresden in World War II. | ||
| This is old-fashioned, pounded-out war. | ||
| This is not global war and terror. | ||
| This is not little. | ||
| This is, you know, you have 1 million. | ||
| I'm getting these numbers from Ian Bremer. | ||
| And President Trump has said it a number of times. | ||
| You have 1 million dead and wounded Ukrainians, and that includes military and civilians. | ||
| And you have a million dead and wounded Russian, principally troops. | ||
| So this package, the package over the weekend is kind of shocking. | ||
| And Putin, in President Trump's defense, or he doesn't need a defense, an explanation, on July 3rd, in the morning, after a package was announced that they were going to withhold new missile packages to Ukraine, I think, earlier in that week from the Pentagon. | ||
| And we don't know actually who actually informed President Trump or even if they did. | ||
| He had a call on the morning of the 3rd of July with Putin, and he's the first to say, hey, it didn't go very well. | ||
| Axios reported that Putin said, hey, look, this is a bilateral, the ceasefire is a bilateral negotiation. | ||
| You guys took a shot. | ||
| We appreciate it, but we've got this. | ||
| And kind of cut President Trump off and implied that there's Going to be a summer offensive. | ||
| And Applebaum later that day over the Atlantic reported that there's a 675,000-man army that the Russians have put together. | ||
| This was a, remember, this is, you heard from David Ignatius of the Langley Bugle, right? | ||
| The comms head of comms department for the CIA. | ||
| Ignatius told us that, you know, the Russians were beaten. | ||
| Their economy was in a tank. | ||
| They couldn't go anywhere, couldn't do anything. | ||
| So they have no troops. | ||
| Everybody's deserting. | ||
| 675,000 troops. | ||
| This is Ann Applebaum, not Trump, not War Room. | ||
| You know, she's a hater. | ||
| 675,000 troops that are ready for a summer offensive. | ||
| I think principally focused on Odessa. | ||
| And that afternoon, after Putin had this not particularly pleasant phone call with President Trump, they lit up on the evening of the third, Kiev as bad as it's been lit up, and they've kind of continued since then. | ||
| Drone attacks, missile attacks, air attacks, et cetera. | ||
| So now we're in a situation not only going to strip the Indo-Pacific some more, you know, Korea and the defense of Taiwan, which is vital to the United States, that is in the vital national security interests of the United States, no matter how much some of my America First colleagues even hate the discussion of that. | ||
| That's a reality. | ||
| Not on principles of democracy or these people have been free for 40 years. | ||
| All that, that's all terrific. | ||
| And I think that's a big, that's an element. | ||
| But the real politique element is without those advanced, without the production of the advanced chip design, we don't really have an economy, to be blunt. | ||
| And I would dare anybody show me a report that says we can go along without them. | ||
| That's like the southern border of the United States. | ||
| That is in the vital national security interests of the United States. | ||
| Not all these side deals. | ||
| The Middle East, nothing in the Middle East is in the vital national security interests of the United States. | ||
| Just not. | ||
| And certainly Ukraine, not even in the top 50. | ||
| It's maybe in Europe's interest, and they said they're going to get to 5%. | ||
| Oh, yeah, but that's going to come in 2035. | ||
| So Rute's over today because this package is now about offensive weapons. | ||
| And so I bring Dan Caldwell in, Ben Harnwell's with us. | ||
| Caldwell, so make me feel better on this. | ||
| This offensive package, at least what they're talking about, and they haven't defined it yet, but there's a lot of reporting in the paper. | ||
| I don't know how good some of this reporting is, but they're talking about not just Patriot missiles, but offensive capability that could be, when they say offensive, maybe even missiles that could hit Moscow. | ||
| What's your assessment of this with your sources, sir? | ||
| Well, just as you said, we don't know yet what exactly is going to be in this package. | ||
| It could be a situation where the Europeans are simply buying stuff that we were already going to send anyways. | ||
| And this allows President Trump to claim a victory. | ||
| It helps us not add more to our debt. | ||
| And, you know, in the long term, it hopefully helps out with the supply situation a little better than if we just sent things over. | ||
| Now, if they do provide long-range weapons, which so far has been resisted by this administration, I think here's the important point, Steve, is that it's not going to fundamentally change the dynamics of this war. | ||
| It is not going to give Ukraine a significantly enhanced battlefield position. | ||
| Because as you pointed out, this is really about a war of mass. | ||
| It's a war of quantity. | ||
| And the reality is that the West doesn't have enough weapons to sustain Ukraine for much longer at the current rate. | ||
| And here's another reality. | ||
| Even if the West did not deindustrialize and we still had a real defense industrial base is Ukraine just simply doesn't have enough people. | ||
| You have had about 8 million people leave the country. | ||
| As you talked about, there could be up to a million casualties on the Ukrainian side. | ||
| And Russia has a three to one manpower advantage. | ||
| So the providing the long-range weapons, in my view, is very high risk. | ||
| And even in the best scenario, low reward. | ||
| And it's important to note the Russians have been anticipating this move for a long time. | ||
| So what they have done is, is that they've hardened up their airfields, their other critical defense infrastructure in their western part of the country. | ||
| They've moved certain assets out of range of these weapons. | ||
| And so, again, it's not going to really impact the battlefield. | ||
| But what it could do is, is you could have Ukrainians do something reckless, like they did during Operation Spiderweb and attach strategic nuclear targets or civilian targets, which invite more Russian escalation. | ||
| And there's a risk that the Russians put that on. | ||
| Hang on, when you say reckless, is it reckless for us? | ||
| I mean, their backs are to the wall. | ||
| They're getting pounded every day. | ||
| Look, we are been adamantly opposed to this war from the evening before it started, and we said what was going to happen. | ||
| But the valor and courage of the Ukrainian people who Mersheimer and we agree are being led down the primrose path, their backs are to the wall. | ||
| They keep getting pounded like this, right? | ||
| And now they start an offensive, which I think will head to Odessa, but they'll try to go up to the line of where most they can take a third of Ukraine or more. | ||
| How are we going to sit here? | ||
| Because the media is going to be all into it. | ||
| Besiege Ukraine is going to strike back. | ||
| And those brothers have proven they did something Curtis LeMay only fantasized about. | ||
| These people are very innovative. | ||
| They're very courageous. | ||
| They're very bold, right? | ||
| They get hit Moscow and something. | ||
| This is my point, folks. | ||
| We're on the precipice of something that's not in our control. | ||
| We're about to arm people right now. | ||
| We have literally no control over them. | ||
| We think we have control of them. | ||
| We don't have control over them. | ||
| Spiderweb showed you that when they went in and took out a third, they tried to take out a third of the strategic triad of the Russians. | ||
| And the Russians not just have long memories. | ||
| Look how they fight. | ||
| It's a 675,000-man conscript army put together. | ||
| And quite frankly, Putin and these guys, the KGB, they don't care how many Russians die. | ||
| Look at World War II, World War I and World War II. | ||
| When they grind, they grind, right? | ||
| It's for Mother Russia, and they're going to grind this. | ||
| And now we've got somebody with their back against the wall that is capable of anything. | ||
| And we're giving them in this weapons package. | ||
| If you give them these type of offensive capabilities, regardless of who the middleman is, this is about this thing Spinning out of control. | ||
| World War I and the guns of August spun out of control. | ||
| World War II spun out of control and ended in a war of annihilation and vengeance, right? | ||
| The firebombing of Tokyo, obviously the nuclear weapons to end the war without a million American casualties, infantry casualties. | ||
| These things spin out of control. | ||
| They all spin out of control, like World War I, World War II. | ||
| Because this is not global war on terror. | ||
| This is old-fashioned pounded out. | ||
| And now we're prepared because the Russians have played hardball and the Europeans have not stood up quickly enough to defend this. | ||
| This is a jam. | ||
| And this is going to merge with the Middle East war. | ||
| And all of a sudden, you're going to have a major, major, major conflict in the Eurasian landmass. | ||
| And who are they all going to look to to bail him out? | ||
| Uncle Sugar. | ||
| They're doing it right now. | ||
| The 12-day war in this situation in Ukraine, they're coming to us. | ||
| Next in the world. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| Okay, we are awaiting the Secretary General of the United Nations, who is at the White House today. | ||
| President Trump, I think, was supposed to have a series of events with evangelicals and faith-based leaders. | ||
| I think he's still going to do that, and Royal Merkel's voice will cover it. | ||
| But the intense military situation in Ukraine has called for his attention that the Secretary General of NATO, Mark Route, a Dutch politician, quite close to President Trump, I think, is arriving momentarily. | ||
| It's close to the press, but our own Brian Glenn is hanging around, and we may be able to get in and get some questions. | ||
| We're going to see. | ||
| We're going to call Audibles this morning. | ||
| So, Caldwell, we are clearly going up the escalatory ladder. | ||
| President Trump is saying that, hey, he gave Putin every chance. | ||
| He tried to accommodate him, talk to him. | ||
| And, you know, I think his point of view is not just the Russian rapprochement they're trying to negotiate, but even a ceasefire in Ukraine. | ||
| It doesn't appear. | ||
| And here's what the American people have to understand, folks. | ||
| So write this down. | ||
| Get your number two principle out. | ||
| The Americans want a ceasefire. | ||
| I think maybe even certain of the Europeans want a ceasefire. | ||
| The folks running the deal in the troops in Russia, right, the conscripts and their parents want to ceasefire, right? | ||
| The Ukrainian parents who won't let their kids and won't approve a national conscription to get more of the under-25-year-olds in, they want to ceasefire. | ||
| The American people would have their sons and daughters go over there and more money want to ceasefire. | ||
| Here's who doesn't want to ceasefire. | ||
| The KGB, the guys running the deal in Moscow, no way. | ||
| They're going to go to this to get Odessa and maybe more. | ||
| And the guys running the deal in Kiev. | ||
| Who did spider web? | ||
| The guys running the deal in Kiev have no interest because without this war, they're gone. | ||
| Bye-bye in the car car, okay, out. | ||
| Also, many elements of the deep state, spider web, as Dan Caldwell always reminds me, was not just pulled off by the Ukrainians. | ||
| It was pulled off by the intelligence services and the military of the United States, probably in Wiesbaden, Germany, helped coordinate it. | ||
| Clearly with some very smart elements of the Ukrainian thing. | ||
| So we're in a situation, Caldwell, where the two principal combatants have no interest in. | ||
| All they want to do is escalate, and they're looking for partners to help them escalate. | ||
| And right now, because Putin has just told Trump, hey, look, you took a shot. | ||
| Thanks for the memories, but I got this. | ||
| Just butt out. | ||
| And he's going to do what he does. | ||
| We're going up the escalatory ladder. | ||
| This is why the Secretary General of NATO is coming and having a morning cup of coffee at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue this morning, sir. | ||
| Yeah, I have to say, Ruda is very slick. | ||
| I met him in February. | ||
| Honestly, if they would have appointed Kajakalis, who's this just monster from Estonia, the former prime minister who makes up stories about being oppressed by the communists, I obviously think there's a world we would have pulled out of NATO, but Ruda's very slick. | ||
| Look, you made a point about who has an interest in escalating this. | ||
| You, I think, were alluding to this, is that we think of a lot of these entities, whether we're talking about Ukraine and Russia or Europe as unitary, that they all are on the same page about everything. | ||
| In a lot of cases, they aren't. | ||
| Even within the Ukrainian government, there are a lot of people that either didn't know about Operation Spiderweb or were opposed to it because the next day they were going to Istanbul for peace talks. | ||
| And that gets to your point about what a lot of these weapons and operations are really about. | ||
| They're not changing the battlefield dynamic. | ||
| They're about delaying peace negotiations, delaying a rapprochement between Russia or the United States or Russia and NATO, or actually ending the war in Ukraine, because there are a lot of vested interests in continuing the war. | ||
| To be more specific, in Ukraine, that's probably, for being honest, Yermok and Zielinski. | ||
| The war is over. | ||
| They're probably gone. | ||
| There's a lot of Baltic states that for a variety of reasons, some of the loudest supporters of Ukraine want the war to continue, either because they believe that they're next, which is a legitimate fear, although there's not really evidence that Putin has the same designs on those countries that he does on Ukraine because of the historical relations with those countries. | ||
| There are other people in Europe that want the war to continue. | ||
| And there's people here in the United States that want the war to continue for a variety of reasons. | ||
| But I would just say this, is that for the United States, if the Russians and Ukrainians are going to keep at it, if neither side is serious about a ceasefire, we need to reach a point where we assess we need to walk away. | ||
| And that gets to your point you were making at the beginning of the show about we cannot sustain this conflict indefinitely. | ||
| We are making way too many trade-offs against our readiness in the Indo-Pacific, even things that We're trying to do here at home. | ||
| All those additional troops we deployed to Eastern Europe, in Romania, in Poland, and elsewhere, a lot of those troops are the same types of troops we're deploying to the southern border. | ||
| And we're drawing from the same types of units. | ||
| And so there are real trade-offs at play here. | ||
| And so we're rapidly approaching a point where we have to make some really tough decisions that honestly we should have made long ago. | ||
| And just one final point on this. | ||
| Look, go ahead. | ||
| I just say I've been to Ukraine. | ||
| I went to Ukraine last year, went to Odessa. | ||
| I've met some incredibly brave Ukrainians and some incredibly brave people doing this. | ||
| And you talk to a lot of them in private almost to a T. They don't like the fact the Russians have invaded and ruined their country, but they know that they're not getting Crimea back. | ||
| They know that they're not getting the Donbass back. | ||
| It's just their leaders in Kyiv, for the most part, not all of them, even some of them that have been very hawkish. | ||
| They know that this war is going to end in a negotiated settlement and that these moves, these escalatory moves now only benefit certain groups of people. | ||
| It's going to end an escalatory settlement. | ||
| Here's why, by not getting it, the guys in Odessa are going to be part of that negotiation. | ||
| They're not going to get Crimea back. | ||
| They know that. | ||
| They're not going to get Donbass back. | ||
| We said that from the beginning. | ||
| Now they're going to make a move on Odessa, and then you got a real problem. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, hang on, Dan. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, first off, they just changed the government today. | ||
| Aren't they changing the deck chairs over there? | ||
| Zelensky's changing around the first time since the beginning of the war. | ||
| They're getting some new faces, some fresh faces in this for the American media, sir? | ||
| Yes, Steve. | ||
| Good morning to you. | ||
| They've pulled the guy Schmiegel, who has been, who's not a character in Lord of the Rings, who is a character in Lord of the Rings, but he's also, up until today, the Prime Minister of Ukraine, I think, since 2020. | ||
| He's now out. | ||
| And Zelensky has done a switcheroo and put in the lady who was negotiating the minerals deal, the aborted minerals deal. | ||
| Look, I'm going to cast my cynical beady eyes on this one, Stephen, tell you just how I see this. | ||
| And it's a very cynical reading, okay? | ||
| But it's basically this. | ||
| If I were to give a pitch to President Trump, it would be this. | ||
| Mr. President, sir, amongst your voters, amongst the people who support you and come out and fight for you, there is no political victory for you in a military victory in Ukraine. | ||
| And that's how I would frame this. | ||
| Nobody who has been out supporting Donald Trump, since Zelensky basically humiliated POTUS in the first term over the perfect phone call and all the fallout of that and the impeachment that fell out of that, this movement, and I know this because as I say again and again and again, I read every comment that's posted on Geta, this movement is 98% opposed to any support whatsoever for Ukraine. | ||
| And as much as the story is today, as you and Dan Caldwood are talking about, this news that has emerged primarily via Axios of a potential weapons deal regarding the Patriot missiles, I actually think the biggest story came a couple of days ago, courtesy of Margaret Blennon over at CBS. | ||
| It's a story that I haven't seen in any of the media. | ||
| I've not seen it denied by the White House, but I will simply repeat it. | ||
| I will post this out on Geta and Rumble. | ||
| And that is that the President is considering extra fresh financial aid for Zelensky. | ||
| $3.85 billion left over from the drawdown, the presidential drawdown authority under the Biden regime. | ||
| But more specifically, in addition to that, $5 billion from the seizing of the Russian assets. | ||
| That's an escalation that even Biden didn't want to perform. | ||
| So the question is this, Steve, and I'll hand back over to you guys on this one. | ||
| What are the criteria for success and failure of the policy of arming Zelensky with these Patriot missiles and the other missiles that can reach to Moscow? | ||
| I'd like to see the definitions, the calculations of how they are going to define in the White House what success looks like and what failure looks like. | ||
| Because as you were saying just now in the first block, this is absolutely escalatory. | ||
| It's not what President Trump promised in the campaign. | ||
| And I repeat again, I don't buy the argument that he was simply being sarcastic. | ||
| I don't buy that whatsoever. | ||
| Please go ahead. | ||
| But the Lindsey Graham, here's the thing. | ||
| Let me just go, let's try to get your question to answer and we get Dan Carl in here. | ||
| The Lindsey Graham pitch and the Tom Cotton pitch and the accelerationists, the escalatory group, and what they want, you got to remember what they want. | ||
| They want us in an actual armed conflict. | ||
| They want us as a combatant in Ukraine, just like they wanted us as a combatant in Persia. | ||
| And in Persia, they got it. | ||
| But President Trump did the massive bombing campaign, like I said, the most complicated thing since D-Day, to end the 12-day war and not to go to regime change. | ||
| Because on that Friday after the first night of the bombing by the Israelis, all Fox News was cheerleading and Netanyahu's government was talking about regime change. | ||
| This is why they took out the negotiators on the guys that Witcoff was supposed to meet with on Sunday Noman. | ||
| They took out the senior military command. | ||
| We started this show that Friday. | ||
| That Friday, what did we talk about? | ||
| This was a decapitation move for a regime change. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| They wanted to suck us into a war there, and they want to suck us into a war here because what you're doing now is just up the escalatory ladder. | ||
| This won't end it. | ||
| This might probably not even slow it down. | ||
| These guys are grinding. | ||
| I think it's now time to work with Europe. | ||
| Hang on a second, work with our European allies to get a determination Of what is the end game here. | ||
| If the end game is a military confrontation, let's just get it out in front of the American people right now. | ||
| Let's just be honest with them. | ||
| Tell them: hey, this is where this is headed. | ||
| That brigade of troops in the 101st Airborne in eastern Romania are going to be in the fight. | ||
| We're going to get all the folks we forward deployed into Poland and these other places. | ||
| They're going to be in the fight. | ||
| That we're going to get to a ground war, which we are, in the Eurasian landmass, near Stalingrad, near Kursk, where near every great commander in the last war that we actually won outright, right, the World War II, on both sides, Montgomery on the British, Eisenhower, General Marshall, General Patton, you name them. | ||
| We cannot get involved in that part of the world because that's called the bloodlands for a reason. | ||
| That's where these Germanic and Slavic entities have bled themselves out for, I don't know, a couple thousand years. | ||
| It's not our neighborhood, and it's a bad neighborhood. | ||
| It's a tough neighborhood. | ||
| Right now, you go back to what happened in 1941 and 42 and 43. | ||
| You've got Ukrainians on the German side. | ||
| You've got other guys on the Russian side. | ||
| You don't know what players a player on any day. | ||
| And the atrocities there coming on the atrocities in the Ukraine in 1935, which are almost as bad as the Holocaust, when they starve in a place like Kansas. | ||
| They starve the population to death to feed the collectivization, the industrialization under the Bolsheviks of Russia. | ||
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| And why we are inexorably, I've said this over and over again, we're inexorably getting drawn into a major conflict with direct American participation. | ||
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| Back in a moment. | ||
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| Okay, they're moving around, folks, in the White House. | ||
| So as soon as we have a shot, a camera, the Secretary General Nato Rute, will go right there. | ||
| President Trump, it's supposed to be close to the press, but you know, President Trump has been known to call an audible. | ||
| I think that's what the Axios leaks are about. | ||
| Folks, you know, when they say, oh, you're Axios fake news, au contraire. | ||
| I think it's the number one source where the administration leaks to when they want to put out something and get it out ahead of the mainstream media. | ||
| Although Axios is the epicenter of the mainstream media. | ||
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| Also, we need you at the ramparts. | ||
| A lot going on. | ||
| The rescissions bill is coming up. | ||
| President Trump's going to need help on that. | ||
| Think about that statement. | ||
| President Trump is going to need assistance and Russell is going to need assistance on a $9.3 billion rescissions package, which is quite frankly just symbolic because they've got NPR, PBS in there for a couple of billion dollars. | ||
| You got some other stuff from USAID. | ||
| They can't even get that. | ||
| The Republican conference is not fully supporting that right now. | ||
| I think the vote's supposed to be, but the 18th, it burns off. | ||
| So it's got to be in the next couple of days. | ||
| I think Russell and this guy's trying to get a vote tomorrow or the next day. | ||
| My understanding, they ain't got the votes. | ||
| Think about that for a second. | ||
| We're going to need you at the ramparts. | ||
| Also, the NDAA to make sure they don't slip in the artificial intelligence moratorium, which I spent a lot of time on over the weekend. | ||
| And there's a great actually on Axios between the Anthropic CEO, Dario, and the CEO of the chip company, Jensen, which is now at $4 trillion market cap, arguing, one, Jensen saying there's going to be more opportunities created by artificial intelligence. | ||
| Dario saying, hey, I think we're going to wipe out a whole generation of middle managers, white-collar workers. | ||
| We've got to be very concerned about this. | ||
| Great debate over there. | ||
| Make sure you go check that out. | ||
| We're going to need you at the ramparts with Bill Blaster to combat all this this week. | ||
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| We're going to get back to Dan Caldwell and Ben Harnwell momentarily. | ||
| We're waiting for the Secretary General of NATO. | ||
| Used to be not President Trump's favorite, but Rute is a very slick guy. | ||
| He has gotten these guys to commit to 5%, although it is over a decade and is principally, I think, focused on this Ukraine situation. | ||
| He'll be coming, and we're trying to move assets around, supposed to be closed to the press, but I believe that President Trump may actually open it up and take questions. | ||
| And I think that'll be quite fascinating. | ||
| John Solomon is supposed to join us. | ||
| He's got an amazing article. | ||
| He broke it on our show on Friday. | ||
| I think we had an overtime where I should was doing the interview with John Solomon. | ||
| John Solomon talked about how the FBI and cash these guys are opening up an overall broad investigation of the deep state, starting with Crossfire Hurricane. | ||
| There's another great article up in Justin News today. | ||
| A lot of discussion about that and whether the Epstein thing will be put in there, particularly if a special prosecutor or special counsel is announced. | ||
| John Solomon is supposed to join us in the next hour, subject to us going live to the White House. | ||
| Also, trying to get Mike Benz up, who knows the situation with the deep state better than anybody. | ||
| Chris Hort joins us. | ||
| Chris, with wars and the rumors of war, and I'm telling everybody, put a pin in Labor Day weekend because not only may the balloon go up in two places, but you're going to see a merger of this conflict because it'll be the Persians and the Russians on one side and NATO, the Americans, Israelis, hopefully wherever the Gulf Emirates on the other as we get into a deeper, get sucked in deeper into the kinetic part of the Third World War. | ||
| Chris Hort, what do you got for us to help people make sure they can communicate when the balloon goes up, sir? | ||
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| You know, it is so important to be prepared and to be able to communicate no matter what is going on. | ||
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| One of the engine room tells me, I just said that part of the world is cursed. | ||
| This engine room, one of our members of the engine room said he's toured the mass graves in that part of the world. | ||
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