May 28, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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A critical look at the future of artificial intelligence. | |
| It's a pretty incredible piece. | ||
| It's entitled, Behind the Curtain, A White Collar Bloodbath. | ||
| that could be the result of AI. | ||
| Well, yeah, and, you know, Jim... | ||
| They want to pretend it's not going to happen. | ||
| Silicon Valley wants to pretend it's not going to happen. | ||
| Wall Street doesn't really want to talk about it. | ||
| But the fact is, as you report, just like the technological revolution, the IT revolution, gutted blue-collar workers throughout the 90s and beyond, you're now talking about a bloodbath for white-collar workers because of AI. | ||
| And from what you've seen and what you're reporting on, it is going to be a bloodbath for workers. | ||
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I mean, that is certainly the warning of Dario Amadei, who is the CEO of Anthropic. | |
| And just for your viewers, Anthropic is one of the top creators of this AI, these large language models in the world. | ||
| So he has better visibility than probably all but He'd been telling us in private for a while that this bloodbath could be coming, but that lawmakers don't want to talk about it. | ||
| The federal government doesn't want to talk about it. | ||
| AI companies don't want to spook people. | ||
| We finally convinced him to go on the record. | ||
| And his point is, listen, just play with this technology, not just casually. | ||
| Once you really dive into it, you realize it can do the work already of researchers, of analysts. | ||
| of a whole host of entry-level white-collar jobs. | ||
| And he put it in the starkest of terms. | ||
| He said, like, based on their early analysis, over a five-year period, it could wipe out half of white-collar entry-level jobs. | ||
| Unemployment could spike to 10% to 20% in the next five years. | ||
| And this is a guy who's building the technology, who's boasting about the power of it. | ||
| And when we push him on, if you're building it, like, how do you morally kind of think about it in your own mind? | ||
| And he said, I have an obligation to build the technology. | ||
| I also have an obligation to get the federal government, to get lawmakers, to get other AI companies to figure out how do we prepare the American worker and how do we protect the American worker. | ||
| And so, you know, as someone who runs a company, I run Axios as a CEO. | ||
| I spend an inordinate amount of time studying AI and how it's going to play out just in my space of media. | ||
| And I can guarantee you in the next five years, it's going to radically transform the makeup of AI. | ||
| Well, every single company in the world is doing this. | ||
| Every CEO is sitting there saying, should I fill this role? | ||
| Should I open this role? | ||
| Will a machine do this better than man in the next couple of years? | ||
| When you see data out about the difficulty This is one of the early telltale signs that this could be coming. | ||
| In his mind, I think it's sounding the alarm. | ||
| It's like, listen, we've got to have a national debate that this isn't 10 years from now. | ||
| It could be 6 months from now. | ||
| It could be 12 months from now. | ||
| Then there has to be a debate about, okay, how do you make sure that workers are prepared to use artificial intelligence to augment their work, not displace their work? | ||
| That's what we've been doing at Axios. | ||
| We give everybody access to the technology. | ||
| We make sure that every single unit, no matter what your job is, is already playing with this to figure out how are you going to augment your work so you don't get displaced by it. | ||
| Hell, I told my own staff, you're committing career suicide if you're not spending 10% of your day experimenting with the technology. | ||
| And I don't think most people are. | ||
| I think people are like, whoa, this is too science fiction or, you know, it's a really neat search engine. | ||
| They're not actually looking at the capabilities. | ||
| They don't have the time. | ||
| They have real lives. | ||
| I think Dario's point was they might not wake up until it's way too late. | ||
| And if lawmakers are way too late to it, you could have real issues. | ||
| You could have unemployment, as he said, 10 to 20 percent if he's right, which would then lead to obvious political unrest. | ||
| We have Steve Bannon on the record in there saying he thinks the exact same thing is going to play out. | ||
| He said Trump's not talking about it, but he thinks this will be maybe the biggest topic of the 2028 presidential election. | ||
| It's me, or rather, my AI avatar, here to share Klarna's Q1 2025 highlights. | ||
| I mean, you have Steve Bannon on the right, you have other people on the left very concerned about this. | ||
| And Jim, you underlined a point that I've actually told my kids. | ||
| Which is, if you're going into an interview, if you're going into anything where you are going to be talking and you want to understand a topic, it's just foolish. | ||
| Not to go on to a search engine app, an AI search engine app, and dig in deep to try to understand a company that you're talking to or an issue that you're talking about better. | ||
| It is, Elizabeth, it is the future. | ||
| The future is now, and a lot of the spaces that we work in 10 years from now are going to look completely different because of AI. | ||
| White-collar workers across the country, as Jim said, are going to be deeply impacted. | ||
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Like, total slop. | |
| Slop, yes. | ||
| AI slop. | ||
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It's everywhere. | |
| AI will not replace us. | ||
| I'm being replaced. | ||
| AI will not replace us. | ||
| I'm being replaced. | ||
| AI will not replace us. | ||
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I'm too valuable. | |
| I'm too important. | ||
| AI will not replace us. | ||
| Things are getting really heated here with tensions rising quickly between the protesters and the police. | ||
| We are replacing you. | ||
| No! | ||
| I'm being replaced. | ||
| I'm being replaced. | ||
| They will not! | ||
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Replace us! | |
| For journalism, I don't think that the machines are going to do the journalism per se. | ||
| But if you play with it at all, you realize it's going to be a really good copy editor. | ||
| It's going to be a really good marketer. | ||
| It's going to be really good at doing research. | ||
| It's going to be really good at doing marketing. | ||
| It's going to be really good at taking any piece and maybe creating eight different variations to send it out to all the other platforms. | ||
| And that's what I would encourage people to do, is play with it assuming that the hallucinations and the errors go away. | ||
| Because there are times where it is truly magical, truly magical. | ||
| And if that were to happen with a human-level efficacy, anybody running a company, I'm telling you, as someone who runs a company, they're always going to choose automation because they're going to believe that over time it's going to make their company more profitable and it's going to create more jobs. | ||
| And that might be true, and that often is true with technology, that in the long arc, it creates more jobs. | ||
| What's different here is this is a technology that could hit hard in the next 6 to 18 months. | ||
| and it's going to hit every single roll potentially simultaneously. | ||
| And something that fast with that kind of breath And when you talk to members of Congress, it's alarming how little they know about this topic and how infrequently they talk to their constituents about it. | ||
| You're doing a disservice to the country if you're not starting to think through what does the world look like in 18 months to three years. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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Mega media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| It's Wednesday, 28 May, Euroverlord 2025. | ||
| Okay, this is the reason we brought in Joe Allen over four years ago to be our editor for all things artificial intelligence. | ||
| This is why he wrote the great book, Dark Aeon. | ||
| This is why he puts material up every day. | ||
| He's been with us. | ||
| He's working on another huge project for us right now. | ||
| today's show is Mark Mitchell, we're going to come in and talk about some polling, blow-away polling for President Trump of what we voted for. | ||
| Jim Rickards, Kurt Mills, Jack Posobiec. | ||
| Folks, I hope you realize this. | ||
| We said President Trump one of the first things he's going to do and put his shoulders to the wheel is to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War. | ||
| It is – we are getting sucked in moment by moment into a kinetic conflict on the Eurasian landmass in Ukraine. | ||
| And part of this is driven by – wait for it – artificial intelligence and advanced technology. | ||
| We're going to have a terrific group to walk through that. | ||
| I've got Joe Allen. | ||
| So, Joe. | ||
| This is one aspect of artificial intelligence that we have to get in front of, and the Warren Posse, as you know, is so up-to-date on this because we talk about this all the time. | ||
| We brought you in. | ||
| You've done more than a magnificent job. | ||
| But when they talk – because it's the situation of control, technology being used for military aspects, this technology, which could have and may have tremendous upside for man. | ||
| But it's got such unlimited dark side and downside that it has to be reviewed, thought through until this thing spins out of control. | ||
| One, on the employment that I've been hammering on now for a couple of years, just in the last few days, Ben Smith's operation, Semaphore, did an amazing interview with Cognizant, CEO. | ||
| In the buried lead, which was not in the headline, he said today – and they're one of the biggest of these IT companies. | ||
| He said, hey, 22 percent of all our coding today is done by artificial intelligence. | ||
| He said within the next 12 months, at least 50 percent. | ||
| And going to – essentially he said – I think he implied 75 to 80 percent of all coding. | ||
| You will have coding managers, but the coding will be done for artificial intelligence. | ||
| Microsoft the other day. | ||
| I think laid off, what, 3,000 people, announced a 3,000 layoff, 30% because of AI. | ||
| IBM yesterday or two days ago announced 8,000 people out of their human resources department, implied that it was 100% because of artificial intelligence. | ||
| This is just not on coding. | ||
| Entry-level and kind of all the way up to mid-level administrative. | ||
| These managerial and tech jobs are going to get eviscerated because the model that Wall Street is looking at right now with all this infusion of capital is an efficiency model. | ||
| It's not about greater productivity and greater creativity. | ||
| That may come later. | ||
| Right now, they're getting rid of bodies, to be blunt, because they want to drive up earnings. | ||
| They want higher operating margins. | ||
| We have to face this because once it's here… And they said something there that's very important. | ||
| Peter Navarro put an amazing piece in the Hill. | ||
| Bratt and I are going to break it all down at 6 o 'clock tonight. | ||
| They really got into the theory of the case we're talking about of what is really in this bill of tariffs and what the supply-side tax is going to do. | ||
| And he makes a very compelling case on the upside, which I support. | ||
| However, in this Vander Hey piece, which everybody has to read, and Grace, we've got to put it out. | ||
| You need to read the Axios piece today. | ||
| They're talking about, hey, because of artificial intelligence and some of what Trump's doing, you could have 10 percent growth. | ||
| But you also may have 10 to 20 percent unemployment, particularly of people under 30. And the pressure we have on these people under 30 is great enough right now. | ||
| Joe, you were able to splice in a couple other shocking artificial intelligence parts into the cold open. | ||
| Explain, take a crack. | ||
| We've got a couple of minutes. | ||
| You're going to be here for a couple of segments. | ||
| In fact, you're going to hang over for the military aspect, too. | ||
| Talk to me about the Vanderhay-Axios piece, because Axios is the consensus, kind of the cutting-edge, ahead-of-the-game consensus of Washington, D.C. And, of course, it premiered this morning on Morning Joe. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| I think the most shocking thing about that entire interview is Vander Hei openly saying that Axios is incorporating AI into all aspects of their business, or as many as possible, and that their writers and their editors and proofreaders and copywriters, content creators, will basically be forced to augment themselves with AI. | ||
| There are two reasons this is bothersome. | ||
| One, this is the main message coming out of Silicon Valley. | ||
| This is the main message coming out of the World Economic Forum. | ||
| The idea of the fourth industrial revolution is that you won't be able to get by. | ||
| Without fusing your physical, your digital, and biological identities. | ||
| Basically, as a writer, as an editor, as a graphic artist, if you do not make AI a component of your personality, of your profession, you will get left behind. | ||
| Cyborg eyes or die. | ||
| The second thing though that's really bothersome, he mentioned the hallucinations, but the hallucination problem in AI has only gotten worse as the systems get... | ||
| bigger and more sophisticated. | ||
| Nobody really knows why, but one of the reasons, most likely, is that the freedom that is allowed, the degrees of freedom allowed with AI, basically mean that the AI is free to lie to you, to make things up. | ||
| Now these are the kinds of criticisms you have to keep in mind about the powers of AI, but those videos that you just saw, both the Klarna, CEO and also the protesters, the visuals were entirely generated by AI. | ||
| If we had shown you the cutting edge of AI video generation three years ago, which we did, if you go back and look, they are clunky. | ||
| They are warped. | ||
| This is a whole new level. | ||
| Hang on for one second. | ||
| We're going to take a break. | ||
| Maybe we'll come back with that. | ||
| We have to get ahead of this. | ||
| Warren Posse's got to do this, or we're going to have mass unemployment among particularly entry-level people under 30. Short break. | ||
| back in a moment. | ||
| Like, total slop. | ||
| Slop, yes. | ||
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AI slop. | |
| It's everywhere. | ||
| AI will not replace us. | ||
| I'm being replaced. | ||
| AI will not replace us! | ||
| I'm being replaced. | ||
| AII will not. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| But I also want to go back and we can load the beginning of that clip, which is even, I think, more disturbing with the crowd shots and everything like that. | ||
| So tell me when we... | ||
| Three things are happening today. | ||
| And folks, the Connect the Dots are all different. | ||
| Number one, this Ukraine war, the targeting in Ukraine, and we're getting sucked into this. | ||
| The Ukrainians had a massive attack, drone attack, into Moscow last night. | ||
| Alex Jones has got this great video of him going on a rant for five minutes saying the Russian attack over the weekend was pretty brutal, is in response to a drone attack. | ||
| on trying to assassinate Putin. | ||
| He's got some pretty good details. | ||
| He's very dialed in. | ||
| When you talk about drones, that's the only product. | ||
| They're all, all the fire control solutions are coming from artificial intelligence. | ||
| We are, with all of President Trump's efforts, we are moment by moment being sucked into a kinetic part of a third world war in Ukraine. | ||
| Number two, Elon Musk gives a very, you know. | ||
| I think unacceptable and unnecessary interview with CBS this weekend is breaking really critical of President Trump. | ||
| But the whole issue is Doge and artificial intelligence. | ||
| What did they actually find? | ||
| What was it good for? | ||
| I talked to a lot of people in the administration. | ||
| That's all about artificial intelligence, or a lot of it is. | ||
| And then third, you've got this issue now coming up. | ||
| As you're starting to have these earning reports, And these tech companies and some of these big corporations are kind of burying down in like the 50th paragraph of the earnings report. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we're about to let go 5,000 or 10,000 people. | ||
| And they either say outright it's about artificial intelligence or because they don't want to be – they imply it's because of artificial intelligence. | ||
| So this is everyday metastasizing. | ||
| And if you just wanted to metastasize and, hey, we'll see what happens and the devil catches the hindmost, then fine. | ||
| Just sit back and accept it. | ||
| If you want to say, yo, we can't let technology be our master, and that's what's happening here. | ||
| Joe, Alan, your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Yeah, this is going to be very difficult to master. | ||
| Let's just assume that these technologies remain as flawed as they are right now. | ||
| We know that the people creating them and we know you hear it there on Morning Joe with the Axios editor that corporations across America and across the world are intent on incorporating AI and the blue-collar level robotics at every level. | ||
| Anywhere possible to make it more efficient, they will replace human beings. | ||
| This is being incorporated in education with AI teachers. | ||
| This is being incorporated in medicine. | ||
| You have Dr. Oz talking about that physicians who do not consult AI in the near future will be considered negligent. | ||
| This is being incorporated in the government. | ||
| You see it with Doge clearing the way for AI to be used to basically replace government employees or force government employees to use it to become more productive. | ||
| And then, of course, in the military. | ||
| AI is being heralded as the key to geopolitical power in the future. | ||
| But let's imagine they remain this flawed. | ||
| Then that means basically we are intentionally, willfully crippling ourselves with flawed technologies that do have some aspects of superiority as far as data gathering and analysis, but ultimately are rife with hallucinations and other sorts of glitches. | ||
| Or let's imagine that they are, that these technologies are refined to the point that Elon Musk believes they will be, that Sam Altman believes they will be, that Dario Armaday at Anthropic believes they will be. | ||
| Well, then that means these hyper-effective, hyper-efficient machines will first forcefully augment human workers who are basically cornered and have to adopt them, and then replace first coders? | ||
| And then most white-collar jobs and then most blue-collar jobs with robotics. | ||
| If it goes the way they plan, it is total replacement. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| I want to get to that. | ||
| So blue-collar are skilled artisans. | ||
| And even the robotics in the factory are not the first wave. | ||
| I just sent to – even as we speak, the great Dave Ramaswamy sent me McKinsey. | ||
| Which is the premier consulting firm throughout the world, is going to shed 10% of their worldwide staff. | ||
| And the implication here is that most of that is driven by artificial intelligence. | ||
| 10% of the consultant, of the administrative, lower-level managerial, and lower-level consulting at McKinsey. | ||
| And that's just a first cut, right? | ||
| Go back – hit this again and then I'm going to play the Altman-Fetterman clip. | ||
| Hit it again that – All these guys are putting this out in their earnings report because they want to show Wall Street that, hey, we get it. | ||
| The first use of artificial intelligence is not to make things better and more productive. | ||
| That's all going to come later. | ||
| And they'll talk about that, but the first model they're doing is efficiency. | ||
| Let's get rid of the humans. | ||
| Particularly on the managerial side and administrative side and technological side, people that don't have advanced skills. | ||
| So they're not like top-level surgeons. | ||
| They're more of the people when you go into augment your local general practitioner. | ||
| He's got an AI. | ||
| Robot that takes the place of five or six people on staff. | ||
| On the media side, I know this talk, our show is very different. | ||
| I think it up with the production staff. | ||
| We get our experts on. | ||
| We see what we think is driving the narrative and what's important. | ||
| But other staffs, if you know, they're all reading off a screen. | ||
| They have writers, staffs of writers, staffs of producers, staffs of researchers. | ||
| One person talked to me yesterday. | ||
| They have a 30-person staff to put up a couple-hour show. | ||
| They have done an analysis about artificial intelligence. | ||
| They can actually do their show today without the camera producers and those guys. | ||
| They still keep those, but on the creative side of a 30-person staff, Joe, they would keep three people. | ||
| They would get rid of 27 people. | ||
| They're not going to do that, but they said – but they're going to take a chunk. | ||
| They're probably going to let a third of the people go here this year. | ||
| So walk me through the progression plan in here and how artificial intelligence is basically going to replace the human in white-collar jobs. | ||
| You know, these predictions have to be taken with a grain of salt to some extent because they're all over the map as far as the exact numbers. | ||
| Just for instance, we were talking about this morning, Dario Amadei of Anthropic, who Vander Hea was referencing, told... | ||
| That was two months ago. | ||
| And he said that within a year, it's possible that all coding will be done by AI, 100%. | ||
| So that would be 10 months from now. | ||
| This gives us a good gauge as to how accurate these predictions are, because we'll find out very, very soon how accurately Dario Amadei predicted this wipeout of jobs. | ||
| But one thing is clear, whether it is 90% or whether it is 100% or whether it's 40%, this is major. | ||
| And whether the models hallucinate 30% of the time or 10% of the time or 50% of the time, they want to incorporate them anyway. | ||
| So kind of the cascade begins, ironically enough, in Silicon Valley with the coders. | ||
| It moves outward to script writers, to content creators, to editors, proofreaders, to great Even if it is slop, it's the slop that the managers and the owners and the board members want. | ||
| From there, you have kind of mid-level jobs, white-collar jobs. | ||
| You've got paralegals, receptionists, customer service, bank tellers, on and on and on. | ||
| You also have in medicine, radiologists and people who have to look for details in scans. | ||
| I don't know about the blue collar. | ||
| Everybody thought blue collar would be the first. | ||
| That is definitely not happening. | ||
| What we do see, for sure, are rapid advances in manufacturing automation. | ||
| So these are kind of alien-like arms and whatnot that are working on cars or any other electronics products. | ||
| But you also have the rapid development now of humanoid robots. | ||
| This is on down the road, but if they can perfect something like a humanoid, then you're talking about wiping out most blue collar jobs. | ||
| The real important point here is, though, Steve, these people. | ||
| They're telling us that this greater replacement is for our own good. | ||
| So we're supposed to sit around on UBI and entertain ourselves with AI slop. | ||
| I don't think that's an acceptable future. | ||
| Real quickly, you got a minute before I go to break. | ||
| Talk to me about the controversy of the humanoid robot inside technology and artificial intelligence. | ||
| There is a debate right now of do you make the humanoid robot look human? | ||
| Or is that going to freak out humans too much, particularly in the first wave? | ||
| Should we make it look like something else so it doesn't freak people out that they actually are being replaced by something that looks just like them but happens to be a digital machine, sir? | ||
| You know, I think they'll go both ways. | ||
| If you look at the Amazon fulfillment centers with their little humanoid robot digit, it looks like something kind of ridiculous, like a cartoon, something out of Star Wars. | ||
| If you look at Optimus, it looks like something that will strangle you in your bed at night as you sleep. | ||
| But then you have, and this is, you know, kind of crass, but you have people who look to these robots for erotic purposes. | ||
| And I think that's probably where you're going to see the kind of companionship bots. | ||
| That's where you're going to see people. | ||
| start to accept these strange, almost human, silicone-faced robots as companions and romantic partners and so on and so forth. | ||
| It'll be varied, but I think that it's going to be... | ||
| Some people will accept it, maybe most. | ||
| Hang over for a second. | ||
| We're getting more into this, particularly the Ukraine part of this war with these drones and artificial intelligence, fire control solutions. | ||
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We will not be silenced. | |
| We will not back down. | ||
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You must conserve your special human bodily fluids. | |
| No IE! | ||
| What do you hate about AI? | ||
| AI *Screams* I'm extremely concerned about my fluids. | ||
| AI doesn't have any fluids. | ||
| AI is not logical. | ||
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I don't believe AI can replicate true human creativity. | |
| It can't piss in the toilet or menstruate or ejaculate. | ||
| It can't do dishes. | ||
| It can't walk the dog. | ||
| It's just stuck inside a little screen. | ||
| Sloth. | ||
| By the way, that's all artificial intelligence right there. | ||
| I've got records on. | ||
| So Jim, we've been talking about it. | ||
| McKinsey just announced letting go 10% of their workforce about this really incredible piece by Vander Hea and Mike Allen over at Axios. | ||
| And it was on Morning Joe this morning about this, quite frankly, a white-collar job. | ||
| Job apocalypse is coming. | ||
| I've got you this morning for geopolitics and all this and how we're getting sucked in, I think, more and more to the kinetic war in Ukraine and around that kind of arc of instability. | ||
| One of the big reasons is artificial intelligence and particularly sophistication of artificial intelligence in drone warfare and fire control solutions. | ||
| So first off, your overall assessment of – and Wall Street looks like it's on an efficiency model. | ||
| McKinsey once announced 10 percent layoffs. | ||
| Cognizant saying that 50 percent of their coders are gone within 12 months. | ||
| Your thoughts on both the employment part of this, this coming apocalypse? | ||
| And I want to get into Ukraine. | ||
| And it really looks like uncertainty among American policy because Lindsey Graham and the Warhawks are banging the drum that, hey, we're going all in. | ||
| Jim Rickerts, thank you for joining us this morning in the War Room. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| You're absolutely right about the job replacement aspect of AI. | ||
| There's a lot more to it. | ||
| And I know this is not book TV, but my new book, Money GPT, is all about AI as applied to capital markets, but also there's a chapter on nuclear war fighting. | ||
| Annie Jacobson had a great book called Nuclear War. | ||
| She doesn't really talk about AI, but there's never been a better book about what a nuclear war would look like. | ||
| What I do in one of my chapters, I inject AI into the kill chain and show how that could make nuclear war. | ||
| We're more likely. | ||
| So there's a lot to it. | ||
| But the job thing, yeah, just for personal reasons, I've been spending a little time in the hospital lately, and the nurses and the nurse practitioners, they have this little pause. | ||
| It looks like a little microphone they wear, and it's all AI. | ||
| I mean, they're real, but something says, you know, nurse in room 30, please check in, and they do, and they get instructions, go to room 25, whatever. | ||
| That's all AI. | ||
| I can hear it. | ||
| I know it's a robotic voice. | ||
| There used to be somebody who did that. | ||
| Somebody who sat there like a dispatcher and tried to move the nurses around. | ||
| So it's everywhere. | ||
| That's going to continue. | ||
| Now, the question is, where does it go and what's the significance of it? | ||
| You were talking about creatives, you know, TV writers, basically, or people who are creative for shows. | ||
| I've taken a number of tests where you get two samples. | ||
| One's AI generated, one's written by, you know, the human. | ||
| And we're both anonymous. | ||
| Can you spot it? | ||
| I can spot the AI in like a sentence or maybe two, but it's pretty easy. | ||
| Now, can AI produce grammatical English or other languages? | ||
| You know, just say English. | ||
| Can it write a script? | ||
| Can it write a book? | ||
| Yes, it can. | ||
| But is it any good? | ||
| And what it cannot do, there's something, I hate to get too geeky, but there's something called the law of conservation of information in the search world. | ||
| And what it says is that no matter how much speed you have, no matter how much AI you have, it will never find anything new. | ||
| It can find it faster. | ||
| It can find the places you wouldn't look. | ||
| It can find connections that humans, So I'm not saying it's not valuable, but it doesn't come up with anything new. | ||
| You can. | ||
| I can. | ||
| A lot of our viewers can. | ||
| We can come up with a new idea in the next 30 seconds. | ||
| But AI cannot. | ||
| It can only find stuff. | ||
| So now you've got this world where we're going to substitute AI for humans, but you're losing the creativity. | ||
| And then you've got Zuckerberg and others saying, well, what's the big deal? | ||
| We'll just give everybody a check. | ||
| That's guaranteed basic income or it goes by a couple of different names. | ||
| But yeah, put everyone on a government payroll, let them eat Doritos, watch TV, and let a handful of people around the world. | ||
| That's what they're getting at. | ||
| They won't get there. | ||
| And I explain why in my book. | ||
| It has to do with the ability But the dangers along the way, like, yeah, this is efficient. | ||
| I just got rid of 10% of my workforce. | ||
| That's happening. | ||
| It's going to continue to happen. | ||
| But we're counting the pennies from those savings, and we're ignoring the dangers, which are the ones I refer to, which is it doesn't have common sense. | ||
| It doesn't have empathy. | ||
| You actually can't program that. | ||
| You cannot program common sense. | ||
| But take it out of the equation of decision-making, and you get disaster. | ||
| But sometimes it overwhelms common sense. | ||
| Let's go to your kill chain theory. | ||
| And by the way, if you go to RickardsWarRoom.com, the landing page, you get access to strategic intelligence. | ||
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| So you've got the War Room and you've got Rickards. | ||
| Strategic intelligence, you're reloaded for bear. | ||
| He also throws in the book Money GPT, which I told you, hey, you read it, you're not going to be sleeping on the first night after you read it. | ||
| Part of it is that nuclear. | ||
| Talk to me about the kill chain. | ||
| My concern now is in Ukraine. | ||
| You see an escalation. | ||
| And it's not troops in trenches right now. | ||
| They're not fighting for strategic hamlets. | ||
| You've got an air war going on that is as sophisticated an air war as you've ever seen with these drones. | ||
| And if you believe Alex Jones and I do, the response of the Ukrainians or the Russians that's kind of escalated this is coming off a very sophisticated attack to try to take down Putin. | ||
| And this is all driven by artificial intelligence. | ||
| This could not happen unless you had artificial intelligence. | ||
| Is that leading us into really a shooting war where we're going to be an active participant, Jim Rickards? | ||
| Yes, there's no doubt that that's from, you know, Macron, Starmer, Mertz in Germany, you know, the EU, such as they are, Zelensky himself, warmongers in the U.S., led by Lindsey Graham, but with a lot of support, a lot of other people in there. | ||
| And candidly, Mike Walz, who, you know, was kind of out as National Security Advisor, but some of those people were in the White House. | ||
| That's what they wanted all along. | ||
| And, you know, we're going to have a ceasefire. | ||
| And then we're going to send troops in to enforce the ceasefire. | ||
| Well, first of all, the ceasefire is a fraud. | ||
| The West has lied about every engagement with Putin. | ||
| You can't blame Putin for not trusting the West, for not signing up to a ceasefire. | ||
| Minsk 1 was a lie. | ||
| Angela Merkel said so. | ||
| I mean, that's not just my speculation. | ||
| After the fact, she said, we never intended to abide by that. | ||
| Minsk 2, same thing. | ||
| CIA and MI6 and Victoria Nuland running the coup in 2014. | ||
| Then Putin takes Crimea. | ||
| It's like, then they continue to attack. | ||
| The Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine. | ||
| Putin launches a special military operation. | ||
| Same thing in Georgia in 2008. | ||
| So what part of invasion do you not understand? | ||
| You keep pushing Putin. | ||
| And by the way, Steve, in the past week, the last couple of days, actually, New York Times and the other kind of deep state outlets where, you know, Russia launches greatest attack, most drones, most targets, most explosives, et cetera, on Ukraine. | ||
| Which is true, by the way. | ||
| But what they left out was that that was in retaliation to a large Ukrainian attack in the days before, deep inside Russia. | ||
| And just a quick footnote, Mertz, I don't know, not that powerful, actually, but Chancellor of Germany, okayed the use of Western weapons and German weapons to strike deeper, you know, basically Moscow, deeper inside Russia. | ||
| They did try to kill. | ||
| He was visiting Kurs, which is part of the Russian Federation that Ukraine invaded. | ||
| But hang over a second. | ||
| But Mertz – we're going to have Harnwell on here because Harnwell will do the research. | ||
| Mertz implied that the Americans – it was France, the United Kingdom and Germany and the United States, the big four in NATO. | ||
| He implied – I think he lied. | ||
| I haven't seen anything out of the White House. | ||
| I haven't seen any advisors saying that. | ||
| We've had Ben. | ||
| And Tammy, Bruce, our dear friend who's over at the State Department, wouldn't confirm or deny yesterday when confronted by reporters. | ||
| So this is my point about sucking the United States in. | ||
| Do you believe that we've authorized the use of those weapons to do deep strikes into Russia, sir? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Either explicitly or implicitly, what I mean by that is if they're talking about it and they're starting to do it, the U.S. is on board. | ||
| Let me put it differently, Steve. | ||
| If the U.S. didn't want that to happen, it wouldn't happen. | ||
| So if it's happening, and I believe it is, then the U.S. is green-lighted it one way or another. | ||
| But whether it's money, weapons, deeper strikes inside Russia, the use of drones, you're absolutely right about artificial intelligence. | ||
| Ukraine doesn't have that kind of artificial intelligence. | ||
| Ukraine doesn't have the satellite surveillance. | ||
| They don't have the computers. | ||
| They don't have the targeting ability. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| This has been revealed. | ||
| You know, a surprise. | ||
| It's all being supplied by the United States in West Germany, etc. | ||
| And it's all designed to put pressure on Putin. | ||
| But I don't know what happened to the Western ability to understand Russia and Putin. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| I mean, a couple of things about Putin, I'll just tell you. | ||
| He does not bluff. | ||
| If he says he's doing something, he'll do it. | ||
| If he says he's going to do something, he'll do it. | ||
| He does not bluff. | ||
| This idea that Putin's bluffing, let's call his bluff. | ||
| That's a short path to World War III. | ||
| Number two. | ||
| They're not going to agree to a ceasefire. | ||
| Why should they? | ||
| They're winning. | ||
| The side that's winning doesn't do a ceasefire. | ||
| They keep going. | ||
| You want a ceasefire? | ||
| Okay, surrender. | ||
| Or agree to our terms, yes, then you'll get your ceasefire, but not because you say so. | ||
| And by the way, Ukraine has lied about everything. | ||
| If you had a ceasefire, they're not going to, but if they did, Ukraine would use it to build up more weapons, try to suck U.S. troops. | ||
| I mean, U.S. troops are already there in non-uniformed intelligence assets, paramilitaries, et cetera. | ||
| That's always been true. | ||
| But yeah, they want U.S. boots on the ground because the minute you kill one American in uniform in Ukraine, Now there's no backing down. | ||
| You do have World War III. | ||
| I would say we're already there. | ||
| This is a war between Russia and the United States. | ||
| It's what Biden wanted. | ||
| It's what Blinken and Jake Sullivan and Victoria Nuland and now Lindsey Graham, it's what they want. | ||
| They got it. | ||
| Okay, nice going. | ||
| But the question for Trump is, President Trump specifically ran. | ||
| And he's an advocate of peace through strength. | ||
| As we keep talking about the verticals, his number one vertical that he led with is laying down our guns, our weapons, and getting some sort of at least ceasefires to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War. | ||
| In Ukraine and in Israel, Gaza, in this whole conflict with Persia and in the Red Sea. | ||
| Isn't that his number one priority? | ||
| How do you – what is it that is drawing us inexorably into this war? | ||
| Is it the deep state? | ||
| Is it the arms makers? | ||
| I mean Joe Allen will come in here and he'll talk about Palantir and all these – Palmer Luckey's company, all these companies using artificial intelligence and advanced technology that are selling – Unlimited weapons. | ||
| I mean Palmer's business plan is saying, hey, I'm creating the gun shop for the world, right, that the Pentagon's underwriting but also everybody's profiting from. | ||
| What is inexorably drawing – this is like World War I where nobody could figure out how we got into this mess until there were hundreds of thousands of people dead and then the vengeance and the acrimony take over and you can't stop. | ||
| We've separated ourselves from that. | ||
| Are we being sucked in now by the deep state, sir? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And World War I is well taken. | ||
| I've picked up several 600-page books on World War I. I can never finish any of them because I'm like, I don't get it. | ||
| Yeah, 20 million people were killed, but why? | ||
| You can never get to the why. | ||
| World War II is different. | ||
| Yeah, it's absolutely being sucked in. | ||
| And Trump could end the war tomorrow with a phone call. | ||
| And basically, you have to agree to Putin's terms. | ||
| But what's so bad about that? | ||
| Because he won the war. | ||
| You should have thought of that in 2014 when you provoked the war and after the coup. | ||
| So, yeah, and by the way, on the arms manufacturers, Steve, here's how, you know this, here's how it works. | ||
| We said we spent $200 billion on Ukraine. | ||
| Well, we did, but the way we spent it was giving money to our own arms manufacturers to build new stuff. | ||
| And we sent Ukraine the surplus. | ||
| The high-mortem missiles didn't work. | ||
| The Russians jammed the GPS. | ||
| Bradley fighting vehicles left burning on the ground. | ||
| The Abrams tanks didn't work. | ||
| They were blown up by mines and drones, et cetera, the kind of thing you're talking about. | ||
| The F-16s, why do you not hear about F-16s? | ||
| It took three years to get F-16s. | ||
| You don't hear about them because they get shot down by the S-400s. | ||
| So that was all surplus stuff. | ||
| That was all out-of-date stuff. | ||
| some of it from the 80s. | ||
| And then we built blue stuff. | ||
| Jim, hang on for a second. | ||
| You're going to stick with us for a while. | ||
| We've got Jim Rickards. | ||
| Mark Mitchell is going to join us for asking us for some polling. | ||
| A lot to go through. | ||
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| Joe Allen, you have some thoughts about this artificial intelligence and integration into advanced military systems. | ||
| I think we're being inexorably drawn And it's part of it's the deep state countering President Trump, what President Trump wants to do. | ||
| And you can see in this polling in South Carolina with Lindsey Graham, which he's deeply underwater. | ||
| A big part of this is MAGA that says, no, we do not want to be sucked into any more of the wars between Israel and Persia or Ukraine and Russia. | ||
| We don't want to be sucked into this. | ||
| If we go in at all, we want to make a conscious decision. | ||
| But right now, we're getting dragged into this thing. | ||
| Part of the reason, I think, is what Rickard just said. | ||
| These are not Ukrainian weapons, and they're not Western Europe weapons systems. | ||
| They're American weapons systems, particularly the artificial intelligence and drone part of it. | ||
| Joe Allen. | ||
| Steve, I think back to when the invasion first unfolded, and I was in D.C. with you in the studio, and you said, what is the, you asked me, what is the artificial intelligence angle on this? | ||
| That is going to be the most important part of this war. | ||
| At the time, it was mostly, it's pretty much all conventional weapons, javelin missiles and tanks and so on and so forth. | ||
| That has changed dramatically. | ||
| And at the beginning of the year of 2023, when they first kind of rolled out ChatGPT at the World Economic Forum, you also had Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, speaking there at the World Economic Forum. | ||
| openly said that Ukraine is a kind of laboratory for new military technologies. | ||
| Since then, Palantir's stock shares have skyrocketed. | ||
| Their influence on the federal government and their involvement in various federal programs from health care to the military to other sorts of efficiency projects is clear. | ||
| You also have, you know, Palantir was co-founded by Peter Thiel and one of Peter Thiel's Protégés, Palmer Luckey has a company, Anderil. | ||
| They're also partnering with Ukraine for surveillance. | ||
| They're working on new models of death drones. | ||
| And to Lucky's credit, he insists that humans should always be in the loop, but they're creating systems that are capable of autonomous decision making, of killing with... | ||
| This is also, you know, it's not just this kind of right-wing tech circle. | ||
| You also have the kind of liberal left people like Eric Schmidt who founded White Stork with the explicit mission of creating drones. | ||
| For Ukraine, you have AI being employed in the Israel-Palestine conflict. | ||
| This is going to be a major issue, and really, the military aspect is the hardest to say. | ||
| We don't need it. | ||
| If it works, it works. | ||
| Right now, Ukraine and Israel is showing us whether or not it really works, and really, the results are questionable, but undoubtedly, the intent is to infuse AI at every level possible. | ||
| So, Rickards, this is like the von Schlieffen plan in World War I, the logistics plan and making sure it all came together. | ||
| Once it started, you couldn't stop it. | ||
| The Germans had a plan on how everything had to come, the trains and the people and the weapons and the systems, and the system took over from human judgment. | ||
| This is why you started World War I. It was so bloody in the first, you know, the guns of August. | ||
| It was so bloody, and it got out of human control because they had systems at the time built on railroad schedules and efficiency and technology that overwhelmed human judgment at the time, and the system was the solution. | ||
| Is that not exactly what's happening in Ukraine right now? | ||
| It is a laboratory. | ||
| It's a laboratory for these big weapons makers. | ||
| And look, Palmer Luckey is as good a guy as you want to meet. | ||
| I mean, he's pure MAGA, a really good guy. | ||
| He's the brother-in-law of Matt Gaetz. | ||
| Ginger's his brother. | ||
| And Palmer Luckey's heart's in the right place. | ||
| But is artificial intelligence and the target acquisition, the technology, when Ukraine, if you believe Alex Jones and I do, because he's very well sourced. | ||
| Did a major attack and almost assassinated Putin the other day with an artificial intelligence-driven drone attack, sir. | ||
| Well, that's exactly right. | ||
| The Von Schlieffen plan was defeated by RAIN and French taxi cabs. | ||
| So there's this random element. | ||
| Joe is exactly right about Ukraine being a laboratory for everything we're discussing. | ||
| But who's winning the experiment? | ||
| Who's coming out on top in the science? | ||
| So when we started shooting the Heimar missiles, they were hitting their targets. | ||
| And the Russians said, OK, they're GPS guided. | ||
| How do we jam the GPS? | ||
| They figured that out on the fly, meaning in real combat conditions, they defeated that system. | ||
| and those systems are now worthless and obsolete. | ||
| But that was something that That's going on the Arrested Missile, which struck a target near the Dnieper River. | ||
| It turned a large target set into dust. | ||
| It didn't blow it up, or it turned into dust with no explosives. | ||
| That was kinetic. | ||
| That was 100% kinetic at 10,000 miles per hour. | ||
| and basically turned the earth into the equivalent of a tsunami. | ||
| That's new. | ||
| So do we have that? | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
| So yeah, Joe's right about the laboratory aspect of it, and that's probably true of a lot of wars. | ||
| But right now, Russia's not only winning on the ground, they're winning the science contest, the blue ribbon, because they're making much greater advances, which is not to deny the fact that a lot of U.S. technology, some of which is, you know, highly classified, is going into the fight as well. | ||
| So a proxy war. | ||
| It kind of understates what's really going on. | ||
| I mean, both sides are fighting to the last Ukrainian, but there are major advances. | ||
| And one of the things that's revealed is the utter weakness and hollowness of NATO. | ||
| It's a good thing Putin doesn't want more than, you know, half Ukraine, because he could go to the English Channel, and I think it's been borne out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Jim, hang on for a second. | ||
| You're going to hold over to the next hour. | ||
| I want to talk about the kill chain that's in money, GPT. | ||
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