May 16, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| He knew exactly what that meant. | ||
| A child knows what that meant. | ||
| If you're the FBI director and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination. | ||
| And it says it loud and clear. | ||
| Now, he wasn't very competent, but he was competent enough to know what that meant. | ||
| And he did it for a reason, and he was hit so hard. | ||
| Because people like me, and they like what's happening with our country. | ||
| Our country has become respected again, and all this. | ||
| And he's calling for the assassination of the president. | ||
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Obviously he apologized and said he wasn't calling for violence, but what do you want to see happen? | |
| I don't want to take a position on it, because that's going to be up to Pam and all of the great people. | ||
| But I will say this, I think it's a terrible thing. | ||
| And when you add his history to that... | ||
| If he had a clean history, he doesn't. | ||
| He's a dirty cop. | ||
| He's a dirty cop. | ||
| And if he had a clean history, I could understand if there was a leniency. | ||
| But I'm going to let them make that decision. | ||
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This whole thing just makes me livid. | |
| It's appalling and outrageous and demonstrates why Tulsi Gabbard never should have been confirmed as Director of National Intelligence. | ||
| Michael Collins and Marie Langen Rykoff are two of the most experienced, accomplished, and talented analysts in the entire U.S. intelligence community. | ||
| With over 60 years of combined experience, They have worked for successive administrations since the 1990s. | ||
| They have demonstrated time and time again their capabilities, their competence, their integrity, and they have served as role models for a generation of intelligence officers inside of CIA. | ||
| They're CIA officers by background and by training. | ||
| And this is going to have real reverberations within the workforce because, as Congressman Hines pointed out, it's clearly a signal to tell analysts throughout the intelligence community, you tell the truth, you provide objective analysis as you're supposed to be doing, you are running the risk of getting fired. | ||
| And Michael and Maria are really the quintessential... | ||
| That you want to have providing insight and information analysis to policymakers so they make the right decisions for U.S. policymakers. | ||
| But this is a very tangible example of such dangerous and insidious corruption within the Trump administration. | ||
| Do process now! | ||
| Bring him home! | ||
| Ice-cold water soda! | ||
| This is... | ||
| The primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
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The people have had a belly full of it. | |
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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Mega Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| Welcome to the War Room. | ||
| It's Friday, May 16th in the year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| The fourth hour of War Room programming. | ||
| Don't go anywhere. | ||
| It's Natalie Winters holding the fort down. | ||
| We've got a packed show. | ||
| We're going to get into all things. | ||
| I'm going to stray a little bit from some of the budget talk. | ||
| There's some, shall we say, international affairs that I want to get into. | ||
| We've got to do a deep dive on who Anthony Fauci's replacement is. | ||
| It's not looking too good, his, I guess, acting deputy director or director of the NIAID. | ||
| But before we get into all of that, you saw that cold open that I pieced together, all those, you know, brilliant experts that... | ||
| Clappers, so apoplectic about being fired by Tulsi Gabbard. | ||
| That's the telltale sign that those people should have been fired years ago. | ||
| All those so-called experts, I guess, are so smart they don't even know what, what, 86 stands for. | ||
| Yes, I'm looking at you, James Comey. | ||
| But I want to be very clear about one thing. | ||
| It's nice to see all the calls for him to be what? | ||
| In prison investigated. | ||
| I know it seems like every agency is doing their rounds. | ||
| The department heads are all on Fox calling for very elaborate investigations into this man. | ||
| Comey should be in prison, sure, but not for social media posts, for Russia collusion, and for working overtime, certainly the first four years of President Trump's administration, conspiring against him, against his rights, against the MAGA movement, and I'm sure he's only carried those activities since he's been out of office. | ||
| I guess you could just reuse the memes and the slogans, what was it, arrest Comey, fire Comey, all the way back since 2017, I guess. | ||
| History always repeats itself. | ||
| We should just keep reposting those. | ||
| But really, I think the buck stops to me. | ||
| I put the blame primarily on House Republicans and on weak Republicans who have allowed and emboldened, if not outright entitled, people like Comey to feel powerful and untouchable enough where they can actually post pictures on Instagram calling for the assassination of President Trump. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
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I mean, you almost can't even blame him. | |
| Nothing happened to him after he, I don't know, smeared an entire political candidacy, movement, man, family, you name it, as agents of Russia. | ||
| And if you look at the other attempted or would-be Trump assassins, the ones that actually were able to fire shots or otherwise, have we really gotten any information about House Republicans on that? | ||
| Have they done anything meaningful? | ||
| I saw all the nice tweets. | ||
| I know I was told by, what, the House GOP Twitter account that Americans need to get off the sidelines, whatever that means. | ||
| Sidelines is an interesting choice of words. | ||
| It's like we're in a game. | ||
| The only people who have a game and performative mindset are people like you, weak House Republicans. | ||
| We're not even getting into the big, beautiful, maybe the ugly and gargantuan spending bill. | ||
| But they have created a culture. | ||
| Where people like Comey think that they can get away with posting stuff like that. | ||
| Because you know why? | ||
| The little secret is that they do. | ||
| And he probably will. | ||
| And it's actually a whole fledged out family affair. | ||
| I think you got the daughter. | ||
| She's still posted up at DOJ. | ||
| She somehow ran, I think, the Ghislaine Maxwell prosecution. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| I guess no names were released in that. | ||
| She also seemed to lose a star Diddy witness. | ||
| And then I guess his son-in-law. | ||
| Two was somehow involved also at DOJ with the investigation into what happened at Abbey Gate, another successful victory for Joe Biden. | ||
| And I'm not even being, shall we say, post-ironic in my humor when I call it a victory, because as far as I'm concerned for these people, it was a victory. | ||
| They hate this country. | ||
| They hate American lives. | ||
| They'll call for the president to be assassinated. | ||
| Do you think they give a damn about American men and women, about American soldiers in Afghanistan? | ||
| No. | ||
| Hillary Clinton couldn't have been bothered to do anything about Benghazi. | ||
| It's the chromosome of not caring and leaving Americans behind, right? | ||
| And these people are so tough. | ||
| James Comey's so tough. | ||
| He can post about wanting to assassinate President Trump, and in the second there's a little bit of pushback. | ||
| Oh, I'm so sorry. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I'm such an idiot. | ||
| Yeah, imagine if he was actually met with meaningful congressional oversight or congressional probes or DOJ inquiries or criminal charges. | ||
| You think he'd fold pretty quickly? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We love the rule of law so much here in the war room. | ||
| I've been told by what all my betters on MSNBC that I'm an autocratic enabler, a state regime propagandist. | ||
| Take your pick. | ||
| Well, how about this? | ||
| I love the rule of law so much I can count. | ||
| I don't even know how many people that I know personally who were thrown in prison for posting memes attacking Hillary Clinton or Obama or Biden or let's not even get into the Jan Sixers or Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| So I love the rule of law so much that I think Comey should be similarly investigated, maybe even perp-walked in, what, the leg irons and the handcuffs in public like Peter Navarro was. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's not retribution. | ||
| I guess we'll take another word. | ||
| It's reciprocity. | ||
| It's also justice, and it's also accountability. | ||
| Right, if you ever had doubts about whether or not the FBI was actually being weaponized against the American people, which obviously this audience is always ahead of the curve, and there were no doubts there, I think at the point in which James Comey is posting pictures outright calling for the assassination of President Trump, I think, I don't know, call me crazy, I think we can probably rest the case. | ||
| Right, but there's so many layers of irony and frankly outrage to this, right? | ||
| It's not just, oh, gotcha moment, dumb. | ||
| Political Biden Obama hack post stupid picture. | ||
| Because just think about it. | ||
| I'm sure you guys, I know I've been. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Let's invert the tables for a second. | ||
| Say it had been someone like me or you posting that against Joe Biden. | ||
| We would have been censored in what? | ||
| Probably two minutes. | ||
| I'm excluding all the lawfare stuff that would have happened. | ||
| But the social media companies would have probably pulled your account. | ||
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Right? | |
| President Trump's Twitter was actually suspended for calling people to protest peacefully and patriotically. | ||
| His accounts got nuked, and the Facebook. | ||
| I don't think he was ever on Instagram, but still owned by Meta, so same thing. | ||
| But Comey gets away with it. | ||
| And Republicans are actually happy. | ||
| Oh, Mark Zuckerberg is on our side now because he wrote a crappy 1.5-page double-space, so when you really narrow it down, it's probably more like a one-page letter saying, yeah, sorry I stole the election. | ||
| These people are weak. | ||
| And just like we always say in the war room that victory begets victory and that courage is contagious. | ||
| Well, weakness begets people like Comey posting assassination attempts or would-be assassination attempts on President Trump and more people like Ryan Routh and Thomas Matthew Crooks. | ||
| And that's all by design. | ||
| Just remember, the only reason those tech platforms are now even pretending to be MAGA has nothing to do with their ideological shifts. | ||
| It has to do with you guys, the audience, believe me, that they do not love, but they fear. | ||
| And I'll take that as a badge of honor, but I wish House Republicans, instead of talking so tough on the campaign trail and cutting all these really cool campaign ads about how much they care about retribution and going after weaponization, where the heck is the weaponization committee on this? | ||
| In a meaningful way. | ||
| I'm so glad you wrote your nice long book, Comer. | ||
| Maybe you're going to have to write a sequel. | ||
| It's my humble, humble suggestion for these weak... | ||
| I was watching some old clips. | ||
| I believe we used to call the CRs that they would stand for Cuck Republicans. | ||
| And I stand by that. | ||
| We are going to be joined now. | ||
| We're going to pivot a little bit to what's going on overseas. | ||
| The Middle East trip that continues to rip and roar. | ||
| We are joined now by Kurt Mills. | ||
| Kurt, I'd love to just sort of get your overall assessment of what has been going on overseas. | ||
| Yeah, I believe this is perhaps, and I don't say this with any lightness, this is perhaps the most consequential week thus far in either Trump presidency. | ||
| Trump, after winning re-election and sort of gesturing towards this direction, went full froth. | ||
| Basically, for the start of this month, May 1, saw the reassignment or firing, whatever you want to call it, of National Security Advisor Mike Waltz. | ||
| And from there, we've had a clear move, the recognition of Ahmed al-Sharah in Syria and the revocation of the sanctions, the clear desire to at least pull support for U.S. support for the excesses of the Israeli war in Gaza, and setting the table for a major deal A Trump deal with Iran. | ||
| This has happened at warp speed. | ||
| I think almost no one can keep up with what the president is doing. | ||
| And even the sort of liberal foreign policy clarity is commending the shock results that we're seeing here. | ||
| I mean, I would flag a story that occurred overnight in Axios, where they interviewed a number of Biden Mideast officials. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of people went on record, Ben Rhodes who worked for Obama, others, figures, sort of commending just the sheer breath and boldness and swiftness of the results that occurred here. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I'm just curious, why do you think they were able to pull this off? | ||
| Is this something that it's the ideology, right? | ||
| They love the idea of sort of rebuking the neocons, like he kind of infamously said on the stage, or is this sort of a... | ||
| And I'm sure it's not mutually exclusive, but is there also sort of a personality element? | ||
| I mean, I think Steve's been saying on Worm time and time again, you know, he's being treated like royalty, right? | ||
| The displays, the pomp and circumstance is something that Biden certainly didn't get. | ||
| I don't think many other American presidents received that. | ||
| But your thoughts on what sort of the motivating factors are that have created or engendered such a historic week? | ||
| Well, I think personality does matter for this president. | ||
| It can't be underrated. | ||
| I mean, it seems like he definitely gets on with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Zayed. | ||
| He also seems to have a very strong relationship with Mohammed bin Zayed. | ||
| Sorry, Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia. | ||
| Sorry, Salman, Saudi, Zayed, UAE. | ||
| And then also he seems to get on well with the Amir of Qatar. | ||
| And so, you know, I think that's certainly an element. | ||
| But the reality is the reality that Trump inherited when he won re-election in 2024, which is that he's inherited two enormous wars from the previous administration, one in Russia, Ukraine, and one in the broader Middle East. | ||
| And he really has the choice. | ||
| I mean, it's very, very, very close to a binary. | ||
| You either escalate in these wars that he didn't start. | ||
| So, you know, throw more fire on a fire that you condemned in the campaign. | ||
| And it seems, you know, that he kind of went back and forth. | ||
| His advisors have tried to push him in different directions, particularly sort of neoconservative elements like Mr. Waltz. | ||
| But I think he clearly has the team he has now. | ||
| He has the team that he chose. | ||
| And, you know, in his first foreign trip abroad, like lightning, he has made a series of decisions that have shook the world. | ||
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So walk us through the Israel element to it. | |
| It's interesting. | ||
| I think he's made comments about Gaza talking about the just human catastrophe and just utter abject sadness that is going on there that are sort of not atypical, but just something I don't think that you typically hear, right? | ||
| Sort of the, you know. | ||
| Third rail, I think, in American politics to some extent, but also that it was coming out that they weren't necessarily back-channeling with the Israelis when it came to lifting a lot of the serious sanctions or just the developments there. | ||
| Can you sort of speak to that dynamic? | ||
| No, I mean, it's astonishing. | ||
| I mean, another person I would flag, Aaron David Miller, the longtime State Department negotiator, you know, considered very well informed and close to the Israelis, has argued that almost no, maybe no administration in American history has operated this independently of Israel. | ||
| You know, of course, Israel founded in the late 40s. | ||
| There's an argument that parts of the Bush administration, the H.W. Bush administration in the 90s did, but that was kind of a one-off around. | ||
| Jim Baker and the president. | ||
| This is a clear desire to say, hey, this is number one, what we think is good for America. | ||
| But number two, and I think it was very striking when he was asked about why he lifted the sanctions on Shiraz Syria, the president said it was, quote, the right thing to do. | ||
| And this is the kind of language that he's using a little bit more, I would say, since the assassination attempt, since the campaign, entering his I think a lot of times the critique of Trump is that he's very cynical, he's very nihilistic, he's very materialist. | ||
| This is not the actions of a president who simply wants to cash out and coast after having survived all these things. | ||
| This is the mark of a president who wants to be epoch-defining and redefinitional. | ||
| And I think you see it. | ||
| I mean, this is not a male. | ||
| This is the most exciting, potentially risk-taking, but also legacy-burnishing set of maneuvers that are seriously conjurable. | ||
| I think another vertical through which you see all that, you know, working through and materializing and is what's going on with Iran, obviously a lot of chatter about a deal, even his rhetoric about it, like you were saying, you know, it's what's right to do. | ||
| It's something different talking about how, you know, Iran should have a future, they should have a right to exist and all that stuff. | ||
| Your thoughts on what this sort of timeline or trajectory would look like with regard to Iran? | ||
| It looks like it could be pretty quick. | ||
| So, I mean, there is this snapback problem. | ||
| I don't want to get super technical, but if they don't handle this, they'll be negotiating basically a negotiation soon enough, maybe as soon as June, maybe as late as September is a little complex. | ||
| I mean, Trump says they basically have the germ of a deal. | ||
| And Trump has made pretty clear, despite sort of, I would say, frankly, propaganda to the contrary, that he really only cares about Iran not getting a nuclear weapon. | ||
| Very, very, very, very clearly. | ||
| It's not like we need 30 pages of text. | ||
| I'm paraphrasing. | ||
| But it's not like we need 30 pages of text because I only care about one thing. | ||
| They don't get the bomb. | ||
| Congressional Republicans, Senate hawks anchored around people like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Senator Cotton. | ||
| We want 0% enrichment, which is effectively a poison pill for the deal. | ||
| So, again, not defending the Iranian position at all, but the Iranians will walk at a certain level. | ||
| And if the hawks on the hill get their way, they will walk, and then we will be headed to war. | ||
| Trump clearly doesn't want to be the third term of George W. Bush. | ||
| People sell these things in the situation room. | ||
| They sell them in think tanks in Washington, D.C. But anyone who remembers the 2000s Kurt Mills, thank you for joining us in the War Room. | ||
| As always, if people want to follow you, read your work, the magazine work, and they go to get it. | ||
| Yeah, just check out the website, www.theamericanconservative.com, founded in 2002 against the Iraq War by conservatives anchored around Patrick J. Buchanan. | ||
| You can see my stuff at C-U-R-T-M-I-L-S on X. And yeah, thank you for the audience. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| We'll have you back on soon. | ||
| War and Posse. | ||
| Speaking of threats, kinetic warfare, all those things, I want to flag a story for you. | ||
| If Denver has, we can toss it up on screen. | ||
| It's the Reuters thing about... | ||
| Very weird technological communications, sort of clandestine, whatever, covert devices being found in batteries and certain technological equipment across the United States, at least to senior energy officials, sort of raising the red alarm. | ||
| Obviously, this occurring, I think, in context of what has been developing quite rapidly when it comes to kind of potential for EMP attacks. | ||
| I think you've been saying. | ||
| What's been going on in Spain, the blackouts, or what's been going on in the Newark airport, what's been going on in Denver. | ||
| And as someone, I guess I have the book, who is a longtime superfan of unrestricted warfare when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| When I see all this stuff merge together, it all sets off some red flags, maybe the kind with a few yellow stars. | ||
| All that aside, we're joined by Sam Fadis, who I wanted to bring on, who can break down the story in probably much greater detail than I can. | ||
| Sam, as always, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| I'm curious to get your sort of top-line assessment on this story, the idea that there's these sort of secret Chinese surveillance or batteries or equipment in batteries. | ||
| Am I reading that right? | ||
| So this most recent story that you're talking about is that we have found Actually, several different types of devices in equipment connected to solar farms in the United States, the equipment being manufactured in China. | ||
| So either in the batteries or in inverters, other components. | ||
| They have no legitimate purpose. | ||
| Let's just boil it down to what it is. | ||
| Why are they there? | ||
| They're there so that the Chinese can remotely kill. | ||
| These solar farms and shut down the power coming from them. | ||
| That's the only reason that's explicitly what it is. | ||
| So they are in advance pre-positioning the gear to let them shut this down. | ||
| And this is frankly completely consistent with what we have seen from them as they have done this all across the power grid year after year after year. | ||
| It's also consistent with the hacking that of critical infrastructure. | ||
| It's only for one purpose. | ||
| It isn't to gather data or spy on you. | ||
| It is so they can turn out the lights and everything else that requires electricity in the United States when they choose to. | ||
| There's a great article in The Diplomat talking about how Taiwan, where they were sort of positioned to survive or withstand increasingly, I think, aggressive EMP attacks or just stuff more in the kind of cyber security realm. | ||
| I'm old enough to remember when the World Economic Forum was warning us of cyber pandemics, whatever. | ||
| That may be lucky guess or maybe some good old predictive programming. | ||
| But I want to read just a quote from from that article. | ||
| China's in informatized warfare strategy that guides its overall warfighting doctrine, according to the science of military strategy, one of the Central Military Commission's core strategic documents. | ||
| And under the strategy, China seeks to dominate the cyber and electromagnetic domain by quickly disabling essential military and civilian electronic systems. | ||
| I saw, obviously, the convergence, the affinity between sort of all of these stories, one being, I guess, the actual reification of their ideological backing of what is undergirding a lot of their military strategy. | ||
| But I'm just curious if you've seen if this is something that has escalated in terms of, you know, the PRC developing these capabilities, or is it sort of compounded by the fact that, especially under Joe Biden, you saw such a pivot to solar, to these sort of green new energies, sort of being a Trojan horse for technologies like these? | ||
| Yeah, well, all of the above, right? | ||
| I mean, is it consistent with their policy, and are they constantly advancing it? | ||
| Yes, they are. | ||
| Did Biden provide them infinite? | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| But again, this thing with the solar farms is just another arm of an effort that's been ongoing for a long time. | ||
| In the first Trump administration, there are these giant transformers that are in the power grid, which are really the backbone of the thing. | ||
| And without them, you don't have electricity, which means you don't have modern life. | ||
| The Chinese have been putting devices in these things for a long time to allow them to kill them. | ||
| When I say kill them, I don't mean shut them off so you just go flip a switch and turn them back on. | ||
| I mean kill them and they never work again. | ||
| So back in 2019, Donald Trump had one of these things taken off a boat, sent it straight to Sandia National Lab and had him tear it apart. | ||
| So it's not supposition we physically found all this stuff. | ||
| He then subsequently banned... | ||
| The installation of any of these Chinese-made large transformers in the net. | ||
| We're not going to keep doing this. | ||
| One of the very first things Joe Biden did when he sat down in the White House was lift that ban and begin the reinstallation of these sabotage transformers. | ||
| There are now something like 500 of them. | ||
| By the way, it takes... | ||
| They're custom-made. | ||
| If the Chinese take one out... | ||
| It could take you five years to order a new one, and I think we could guess if they're the ones that crashed the grid, they're not sending you a new one anyway. | ||
| But to get it from anywhere, it will take years. | ||
| People need to understand that. | ||
| It's not about they're turning off the lights and maybe it's a couple of days and then everything's back to normal. | ||
| They're turning off the lights and the lights aren't coming back on for the foreseeable future. | ||
| So I always tell people, imagine you're sitting in your house. | ||
| You got no lights. | ||
| You got no internet. | ||
| That means you got no money. | ||
| You got no banking. | ||
| All of modern life just vanished. | ||
| And Sam, we're coming up against a break. | ||
| If I can hold you through, I'm sure the audience heads are blowing up, no pun intended. | ||
| I want to keep drilling down on this. | ||
| We'll be right back after this short break. | ||
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What do you think is motivating this decision? | |
| By Donald Trump, his administration, and by the Republican Party to double down and triple down on what is just a grievous and grave injustice and affront to the U.S. Constitution, not to mention the absolutely horror that it is for this individual and his family. | ||
| Like, why not just say, okay, let's bring it back? | ||
| Well, I think that the only rational explanation, and I think this is the explanation, is that they want to set the stage for depriving people of their constitutional rights. | ||
| And that is why this is such a dangerous moment, not just for this individual, but for all of us, because if we strip him of his right-to-do process, it opens everybody up to the same vulnerability. | ||
| But that is the only explanation I can see, Mark, for what they're doing. | ||
| And you have people like Steve Miller openly talking about ending habeas corpus, suspending the Constitution of the United States, instituting martial law. | ||
| And this is why it is so important that all of us speak up and stand up. | ||
| Because what bullies do and what authoritarian leaders do is they start coming after people they perceive are the most vulnerable. | ||
| And if nobody says anything or nobody stands up against that, then they just keep doing it. | ||
| And that's why we all need to stand up and cheer on those law firms and those colleges and universities that are standing up against Trump's lawlessness. | ||
| And it's also why we have to shame those who are not, who are capitulating, because when they capitulate... | ||
| They simply give more energy to Donald Trump, who has an insatiable appetite for mowing down people's rights. | ||
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And so I think that's what's going on. | |
| I think they're really testing the limits very deliberately here. | ||
| And that is why, you know, talking about a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling, as you know how unusual that is these days, the fact that they're contesting that or trying to... | ||
| Trying to duck it. | ||
| Now they're claiming that they can't provide the judge with information because it's of state secrets. | ||
| I mean, such BS, right? | ||
| I'm quite confident that the judge will see through this ruse, but it just shows the lengths they will go to lie and deflect, all in service to this idea of eroding people's rights, due process rights, and, of course, First Amendment rights in all these cases where they're going after students for exercising free speech. | ||
| You are back in the war room where, of course, you always got to be checking out birchgold.com slash Bannon, texting Bannon to 989898, where you can get your copy of The Ultimate Guide for Gold in the Trump. | ||
| The Golden Age. | ||
| Gold, I'm just saying. | ||
| It's a nice interplay there. | ||
| What you just watched, two people who have perverted what it means to call themselves patriots, that is Senator Chris Van Hollen of MS-13 fame, beloved, I guess MS-13's favorite senator, and Mark Elias, probably also MS-13's favorite election activist, not just because he lobbied for the Clinton campaign to take foreign cash, but those two clowns are talking about how the biggest threat to democracy and I guess your... | ||
| I would put my money on the Chinese Communist Party, what they're doing with EMPs, these transformers, everything they've done to infiltrate and invade this country, frankly, kinetically, but certainly. | ||
| Otherwise, it's idiots like that that have allowed the PRC to, so I would say, adeptly and swiftly. | ||
| I mean, I use the term "invade" loosely because they don't like kinetic warfare, but you know, Chinese spy balloons, thousands of Chinese nationals at the southern border. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Suddenly all these airports having weird technological difficulties, all the trade derailments. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I'm kind of inclined to to say invade. | ||
| But hey, if you ask Mark Elias of election hacking fame and Senator Van Hollen, the largest threat is you guys, the MAGA movement, because apparently you don't want to be neighbors with a bunch of criminal gangbangers, you know, twice deported, twice adjudicated. | ||
| And yes, I will use the word convicted because he was Kilmar Garcia. | ||
| Maybe he'll be the Democrats 2028 nominee, probably. | ||
| Maybe they'll roll him out at one of those AOC and Bernie rallies. | ||
| He'd probably get a round of applause. | ||
| We are still joined by Sam Faddis. | ||
| Don't worry, we're going to get to the Fauci stuff in a bit. | ||
| But I think that's the thing. | ||
| I'm curious, Sam, when you're talking about these Transformers and what they're doing to sort of, I guess, invade or just infiltrate... | ||
| Very high tech. | ||
| It's obviously part of what is it they're not just made in China 2025 stuff, but their 2035 ambition to get ahead from a technological purview. | ||
| Have we ever actually seen any of these things? | ||
| I use that term loosely, but is this all just sort of advancing? | ||
| Is this something that's going to be used in the future? | ||
| Or are there any examples that you can point to? | ||
| Like I was sort of bringing up some of these weird train derailments or some of the weird network and blackouts, outages, stuff like that. | ||
| Is that related to that? | ||
| Or is that just, you know, an insufficient grid? | ||
| What's your take on the, I would say, likelihood of these being used? | ||
| Yeah, well, the short answer to that is we don't know, but then we haven't really been looking very hard, right? | ||
| We've been doing the exact opposite. | ||
| I mean, I keep coming back to this point because I want folks to absorb it. | ||
| We're not talking about cyberattacks that are going to steal your data and take your social security number. | ||
| We're talking about cyberattacks which will destroy your entire modern way of life. | ||
| And again, destroy, not temporarily interrupt, like the power will be off for 24 hours and you'll burn some candles, like it's not coming back up. | ||
| You're now in the 1600s. | ||
| And this is fact. | ||
| Back almost 20 years ago now, we did a test. | ||
| We, the U.S. government, took one of these large transformers, set it up, I think, at the Idaho National Lab, hacked it, and physically destroyed it. | ||
| You can watch that. | ||
| It's called the Aurora test, and you can look at it online, see a video of it. | ||
| By that, I mean... | ||
| In about three minutes time, the thing is belching smoke and on fire. | ||
| So you're not going to call the repair guy and put it back together, and it isn't working anymore. | ||
| So your power's not coming back up at all. | ||
| They have made vast gains in the 20 years since, almost 20 years since. | ||
| So that isn't to inconvenience you. | ||
| Again, it's not to steal your data. | ||
| It's to... | ||
| Put the whole United States back in a pre-industrial state and win a war. | ||
| And they are perilously close to being able to do it right now. | ||
| Last question before I let you go. | ||
| We've seen a lot of the ICs, even the NSC, certainly under Joe Biden, but just even from a career perspective, sidetracked, frankly, on going after MAGA, the new domestic terrorists. | ||
| How ready and prepped do you think the United States is for attacks like these? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| I mean, you've referenced EMP, an electromagnetic pulse, which essentially a nuclear device detonated at a certain altitude produces a pulse and it'll fry all the electronics. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We have done essentially nothing. | ||
| So, again, I keep coming back to this because it's critical. | ||
| When I say fry your electronics, I mean fry your electronics. | ||
| Your car is electronic, your computer, your television. | ||
| You're not going to put a new widget in it. | ||
| It doesn't work anymore, and it never will work again. | ||
| Now, apply that to every electronic device in the entirety of the United States, from the banking system to aircraft to everything else. | ||
| We know how to harden our systems against it. | ||
| We aren't physically doing it. | ||
| Sam Faddis, I always say thank you for coming on. | ||
| I don't know if the audience, I guess they're better to be informed than not know, but it's scary stuff. | ||
| The EMP stuff is so mind-blowing to me that it's not. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| More discussed because it's real. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| In the meantime, before we have you back on, where can people find you, follow you, and stay up to date with everything you're doing? | ||
| Well, I'm just on the web at Substack. | ||
| And Magazine, Substack. | ||
| So that's andmagazine.substack.com. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for joining us. | ||
| We'll have you back on. | ||
| An honor to be joined now by someone whose work I have loved for a very long time. | ||
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I think it's your first time on War Room. | |
| Emily Kopp, who's now with The Daily Caller, but you did absolutely wonderful reporting on all things Peter Daszak, origins of COVID, gain-of-function research, which we're going to get into that. | ||
| But you have a new story up, quite a bombshell on essentially who is the replacement for Anthony Fauci. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We'll do this. | ||
| We'll roll the clip to start because it's kind of scary. | ||
| And I want you to contextualize who this guy is, what they're pushing for, and the concerns that you have and that our audience will probably share. | ||
| So Denver, let's roll it. | ||
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...are enormously significant for humans. | |
| And so we don't know how long this sort of pandemic era, quote unquote, may last. | ||
| That also begs the question of what influenza virus circulated before, right? | ||
| Because all of that is gone, right? | ||
| Now we're all derived from H1, but maybe there were different strains. | ||
| So, yes. | ||
| So, you know, we and others are keenly interested to know what viruses, what influenza subtypes circulated in humans prior to 1918. | ||
| Of course, because there are no isolates, the only possible way is to go back and find archival... | ||
| Tissue material in which human autopsy tissues would be preserved wherein people might still have fragments of the RNA of those viruses. | ||
| Pandemic era doesn't quite have the same je ne sais quoi as I would say golden age or golden era, but I digress. | ||
| Emily, can you walk us through who this dude is? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, to strip that video away from the euphemisms, essentially... | ||
| What he's talking about is going back to corpses, going back as far as the Middle Ages and extracting pandemic-era viruses from those preserved corpses. | ||
| That is the ambition that he's stating there. | ||
| So the guy on the left is Jeffrey Tobinberger. | ||
| He is the new head of Fauci's old institute, the NIAID. | ||
| The guy on the right is this guy, Vincent Racaniello. | ||
| He has been central to advocating for gain-of-function research and is in... | ||
| Utter, total denial about the fact that the largest pandemic in a century might have resulted from gain-of-function virology. | ||
| He called it a conspiracy theory as recently as a few days ago, founding Berry 2020. | ||
| But I think the fact that this person has been able to accede to the head of Fauci's old institute. | ||
| You know, despite the fact that RFK, the head of all of our nation's health agencies, and Jay Bhattacharya, the head of the NIH, have both said in the strongest possible terms that gain-of-function research is useless and existentially dangerous, I think it's a vivid illustration of the shark-filled waters of the Washington Swamp. | ||
| And this new head of NIEID, Jeffrey Tobinberger, is one of the scariest sharks out there. | ||
| So how did this even happen? | ||
| How did this guy get through? | ||
| Is he a political appointee or is this someone who rose up from within the NIH ranks? | ||
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If I had to guess, I would say that Bhattacharya was blindsided. | |
| You know, this new HHS is incredibly ambitious. | ||
| You know, the old HHS under Biden, you wouldn't hear from them for months. | ||
| And with this new HHS, you know, they're... | ||
| They're tackling this enormous autism study. | ||
| They're taking dyes out of food. | ||
| They're hitting the ground running. | ||
| And if I had to speculate, I would say, you know, Bonitaria cannot have his hands in every single interview detail. | ||
| And I think someone he trusted recommended this person. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| Despite this long history. | ||
| And what I write in the piece is that it shows the, you know, despite the fact that you have these two upstarts in Kennedy and Bhattacharya who want enormous upheaval of our nation's health agencies, it's running into the practical reality that they are facing an entrenched Washington bureaucracy. | ||
| Because, again, these two gentlemen, you know... | ||
| The people who have popular support, they have been very vocal about the fact that canine function research is dangerous to humanity and that they aspire to end it. | ||
| But Tobenberger sits at this ideal position to mess with that ambition and potentially throw sand in the gears. | ||
| And he really made his bones in the field of infectious diseases not... | ||
| In research with any direct practical applications to human health by reviving the 1918 pandemic influenza from a corpse preserved in permafrost. | ||
| He published the genome online. | ||
| So in the future, reverse genetics become much easier. | ||
| Some unhinged individual could recreate an otherwise extinct pandemic influenza. | ||
| So we have in Tobinberger, someone whose life's work has been devoted, not necessarily to making us all safer, but... | ||
| To actually creating a potentially more dangerous place to live. | ||
| Some virologists might push back and say we might have population immunity by now because a lot of the modern flu viruses are descended from 1918 flu. | ||
| But I don't think it's in debate. | ||
| This research has led to no practical applications for human health. | ||
| Obviously, there's been a lot of debate in the Maha movement around certain individuals whose positions on certain things might not be strong enough. | ||
| But this is much worse. | ||
| It's someone whose lifelong position is in direct contradiction to the leaders of our health agencies. | ||
| And walk us through why what the Trump administration did... | ||
| On gain-of-function research would even be susceptible to being subverted by anyone, let alone, it seems like, the number one poster child, an advocate for it. | ||
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Yeah, I'm grateful for the opportunity to get the word out about this. | |
| There was a lot of, I think, surface-level reporting about the gain-of-function research executive order that was signed last week. | ||
| A lot of press coverage said that it banned gain-of-function research. | ||
| In fact, it didn't. | ||
| It set a 120-day deadline to hammer out the precise language of a potential gain-of-function research ban. | ||
| I'm not sure if that's because of the susceptibility of an outright ban to legal challenges, but what I can tell you is that A source of mine saw an earlier version of the gain-of-function research executive order that was much stronger, that banded out right immediately. | ||
| And the person who was leading that charge was deliberately leaving out the NIH because the NIH has been so successful in subverting any attempt to regulate gain-of-function research because NIH is filled with people like Tobinberger who cannot fathom that That gain-of-function research could have led to the worst pandemic in a century because they've made their bones on it, because their entire career is built on it. | ||
| And it's built on this idea that it helps prevent pandemics rather than ignite them. | ||
| And this new executive order, it, you know, punts it 120 days to hammer out the precise language. | ||
| And it also states explicitly that they're going to incorporate the voices from. | ||
| A bunch of different agencies, including at HHS, so opening the door for NIH to have an influence here. | ||
| And so I am not privy to the exact details of how the executive order went from an immediate ban to this hazier language, but we are in a very sensitive period for people who care a lot about this issue because it's being hammered out right now. | ||
| What exactly a ban will look like? | ||
| And we've seen in recent days, Senator Rand Paul said that it's likely going to take legislation. | ||
| And I think it's because this executive order leaves a lot of wiggle room for people like, you know, for NIH swamp creatures like Tobin Berger to weaken the language and to potentially, you know, carve out loopholes. | ||
| We're coming up against the end of show, but just give me a minute or two. | ||
| You've covered a lot of issues like this. | ||
| Like I said, you were really ahead of the curve on a lot of the COVID origin stuff. | ||
| In your explanation of this character, to me, it sounds like you think this is sort of an ideological compromise, like the guy just really, for some reason, likes gain-of-function research. | ||
| Is that what you think is the motivating factor behind a lot of this? | ||
| For example, you said, you know, Bhattacharya, this just kind of happened, you know, oh, it was an accident. | ||
| Do you think it's that or do you think they're also nefarious? | ||
| Is this something that big pharma really supports that, you know, just certain industries are behind? | ||
| What's your take on sort of the motivating factors behind this? | ||
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Far be it for me to defend big pharma because I've covered the pharmaceutical industry a lot, too. | |
| But I actually don't think that they would be behind this because... | ||
| Frankly, gain-of-function research has no practical applications. | ||
| This is not something that leads to vaccines and therapeutics that pharma companies can make a lot of money on, setting aside COVID. | ||
| But practically, a pharma company wanting to do R&D is not going to say, let's do gain-of-function research, because there's usually no... | ||
| IP at the end of it that they can make money off of. | ||
| So this is, I think, a deeper issue, sort of. | ||
| It's this biodefence blob, I sometimes call it. | ||
| It's a cultural rot, I think, at the NIH. | ||
| Emily, we're coming up against the end of the show, so I'm going to have to let you go. | ||
| But in the meantime, if the audience wants to follow you, read your work, where can they go to get all of it? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, go to The Daily Caller, and you can follow me on Twitter at emilyacop. | ||
| A must-follow. | ||
| You do great work. | ||
| You drill down when other people just see the word gain-of-function. | ||
| I think the eyes glaze over. | ||
| Or maybe they're on someone's payroll. | ||
| Emily, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| We'll definitely have to have you back on soon. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Thanks so much. | ||
| Warren Posse, thank you for hanging with me. | ||
| Speaking of HHS, all things Maha and health, you've got to make sure you're checking out fieldofgreens.com. | ||
| You can just promo code Bannon for 20% off your first order. | ||
| Maybe all orders. | ||
| I would hold up a little canister if I had the powder, but I guess that means Steve is using it. | ||
| That's very nice. | ||
| Endorsement. | ||
| I will come out and fully not endorse gain-of-function research, let alone being spearheaded. | ||
| I think the Ben Harnwell critique of the sociopathic oligarchs is particularly and acutely applicable to the crazy deranged people that had the NIH, even Big Pharma, compromise aside. | ||
| They're anti-humanity. | ||
| And they're pro, I guess. | ||
| Dead corpses from the 1900s reviving the viruses that were in. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Hey, Doge, I think I found some waste, fraud, and abuse. | ||
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All of the above. |
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