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April 14, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4411: Criminality Of Zuckerberg And META; Trump Meets With Bukele
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
You've just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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steve bannon
Okay, it's Monday, 14, April, in the year of our Lord, 2025.
We're going to go to the White House momentarily, but another huge development today, and this goes back to, look, the cash and PAM situation is suboptimal.
Can we say that?
I do want to, and maybe I do that tomorrow, is break down some of the Tom Fenton, for those of you who didn't see the show on Saturday.
Tom Fenton is a warrior's warrior.
And when Tom Fenton's got to sue you, that shows you that, you know, maybe you've got to get focused.
So Tom Fenton dropped a lawsuit on the Epstein files.
But it's more than that.
And he gave through an amazing presentation.
He was the guy that was all over Holder.
But he brought up a point.
He ended up suing the Trump Justice Department more in the first term than he did in all eight years of Holder.
And Holder and these guys, the justice stiff-armed him like crazy.
Why? Because Senator Sessions and others that went over there, Bill Barr, did not take out the deep state element in the Justice Department.
So it's a problem.
It's no doubt a problem.
And Fenton is the guy that lays it out, and Fenton's kind of the tip of the spear in this.
And I agree.
You've got to have a shakeup because you need to start taking apart the FBI now and the Justice Department at a deeper and deeper level, although the appointments have been...
Amazing. One of the most important appointments at the FTC, at the FCC, and inside the Justice Department Antitrust Division are second to none.
I mean, if you want to take on Silicon Valley and take on big tech and break up the oligarchs, the Democrats yammer about it, and AOC is at, what, the music festival out there in Palm Springs with Bernie Sanders, and they're running around, you know, but they never talk about the thing itself,
which is how do you break up?
The big tech oligarchs, because they're protected by the Democrats, except for the Lena Kahn's of the world.
And Lena Kahn, they gave no support to.
So they put people up there very qualified, including Rohit, who I did the debate with.
It wasn't a debate, I guess a joint interview with Josh Green at the tech conference last week or two weeks ago.
And they are all kind of on our side together.
We all are very concerned about the concentration.
Today is a monumental day because as much as Zuckerberg came back and brought out new hair, fully ripped, kung fu fighter, trying to hang out with President Trump in the Oval Office all the time, for one thing and one thing only,
to stop the trial that's going to start today, they could break up Facebook.
Rachel Bovard joins us.
Rachel, this is, with everything else going on, the great economic war with China, everything that's happening throughout the world, the President of El Salvador coming today, and the Supreme Court's in the middle of that.
This is, I think, the most important thing of today in that they pressured President Trump relentlessly, and President Trump essentially said, I don't know, game on, and that takes place today.
Can you walk the audience through?
Why this is so monumental, why it's so important, what is this trial about, and what possibly, potentially might be the outcome, ma'am?
unidentified
Well, you're completely right to frame it as Zuckerberg's last gasp, his last attempt to try to make this go away, because the trial that starts today against Facebook is an existential threat to Facebook.
This trial...
It had a circuitous route to get here.
It was brought by the first Trump administration in 2020, went through a number of legal meanderings to get to this point.
But essentially, it's the FTC saying, hey, Facebook, you acquired Instagram and WhatsApp through anti-competitive means, and you are maintaining a monopoly by acquiring these companies, not through competition on the merits, but through a legal monopolistic activity.
And what is at stake for Facebook is the maintenance of this monopoly, its very existence.
And that's why it is true that it is an existential threat to the company.
Because if the FTC is successful here, they will break up potentially Instagram and WhatsApp from Facebook.
And the argument here again is alleging this is how it maintains its dominance, this is how it maintains its power.
But what's interesting about this case is it's not just a lot of economic theories about
which is what we see a lot in antitrust cases, we have Mark Zuckerberg's own words here in emails, in texts, basically discussing why he wanted to buy these companies.
And it's clear that he views mergers and acquisitions, M&A,
I want to quote him directly so I don't get it wrong, but as a part of this case, you will see a quote that says from Zuckerberg, quote, I mean,
the case makes itself with those quotes.
Now, there's going to be a lot more that goes into it, but again, we have Zuckerberg's own words, and he knows how big a threat this is to his company, which is why, as you pointed out, he's been schmoozing Donald Trump.
He and his team have been at the White House three times.
He gave a million dollars to Trump's inauguration fund, and he just bought a house in D.C., a $23 million house close to the White House.
He knows how big of a deal this case is, but it's not going away.
The trial starts today.
steve bannon
Yeah, I want to go back in time because you and Mike Davis really were kind of the leaders in this whole movement, and you warned people about what these oligarchs were and how they were being empowered, and it shocks me that Bernie Sanders and these guys have the chutzpah now to go out and say,
hey, we've got a war with the oligarchs when really the progressive part of the Democratic Party wanted them to have control of free speech back in the time they thought they could shut down.
The voices of the right.
Just walk us through.
You guys brought this.
This was brought in the first Trump term.
Walk us through all the issues Facebook has had because today it's about breaking up the monopoly to take away his monopolistic power.
The threat is not that he owns WhatsApp and he owns Instagram and all these other things.
It's about the fact that the FBI could come right to him and put people in Facebook and these guys could end up just shutting down free speech.
Is that the heart of it?
About why people want to take away his monopolistic power?
unidentified
He has a monopoly control over speech, and this is unprecedented in America.
We've never seen corporate control of this magnitude over what is essentially the public square.
These companies, based again on their scale, have the ability to cut you off from access to public life because people always think about these things as simply speech companies and Facebook is where you go to post your birthday pictures and your wedding photos.
It's far more than that.
It is an access point for small business.
It is an access point to a ton of market transactions that go on across the web.
You may remember a couple of years ago, Facebook tried to start its own cryptocurrency.
I mean, these companies are far more than mere picture-sharing social networking platforms.
They now constitute And we saw,
over the last four years, through the efforts of congressional oversight, we saw just how meaningful the government...
Facebook's activities were when they were able to go to these companies, to knock on Mark Zuckerberg's door and say, by the way, you're going to see a story about Hunter Biden's laptop.
That's Russian disinformation.
You need to suppress it.
And Facebook's saying, oh, okay.
Well, why were they so successful in those efforts?
Why did the government go to them in the first place?
Because of their massive scale over speech.
And they were able to do that across the platforms.
We saw this in the Twitter files.
The constant, near constant communication.
Between the FBI and these social media platforms.
And with Facebook in particular, you saw almost near-daily communication, multiple times a day, between the CDC and Facebook during the COVID pandemic, with the CDC flagging specific posts, specific users, and saying, you need to take them down.
You need to take these posts down.
You need to ban these people from the platforms.
And Facebook complying.
What we're seeing from Mark Zuckerberg right now is an attempt to pretend all of that never happened, to engage on this mea culpa tour and say, you know, we were wrong.
We're redoing our fact-checking policies.
We're going to take those away.
We're going to let Trump back on our platform.
We're going to do all these things.
We're going to promote Republicans at our company.
But at the end of the day, the central issue here is the massive control that they still have over swaths of speech and public life, and that can switch on a dime.
Right? Mark Zuckerberg today, for the four years of the Trump administration, may think these things.
And then if Republicans are ever out of power again, he can turn the switch again, and we're back to where we were.
The locus of control, if it's maintained by anti-competitive intent, which I believe that it is, needs to be demolished so that we never have to live through this speech oligarchy ever again.
steve bannon
Now, walk us through the trial.
Are these types of issues going to come up?
Are they very specifically just going to narrow it down to the monopolistic power of having Instagram and having WhatsApp and why they bought them and to make sure that they disaggregate these or get rid of them, spin them off?
Is that going to be the focus of this?
Are we going to get into what the FBI did with them, the Hunter Biden laptop?
Just give us the arc of this trial.
unidentified
So based on the filings that have been made, most of it is going to be around the acquisitions of WhatsApp and Instagram.
And you're going to see a lot of time spent on what is market definition, because that was how Facebook almost got this case thrown out, is this parsing of the market that exists for social networking.
And who is in it?
Does Facebook compete against other people?
The government's alleging it's fairly small.
Facebook wants to say, no, no, there's a huge market for social networking.
We compete with vast numbers of other people.
They want to show the market as large because if they can show the large market, they can make the case that they are only a small part of it.
So you're going to see a lot of economic testimony about what constitutes market definition.
But the actual issue that they're going to get into is were the acquisitions of Instagram and Facebook Done with anti-competitive intent and a monopoly maintained through anti-competitive means.
That's the heart of this.
And again, I don't want people to be bored by that because this is how, this is the guts of how they maintain the speech monopolization that they do.
And you cannot get to these speech issues unless you deal with these central economic factors first.
This trial is going to be ongoing, and it's going to be dealing with a lot of these economic issues.
I don't know that the speech issues will come up, but all the speech issues are downstream of this market power.
So that is why this trial is so important, because you can't get to the censorship issue without first addressing How it happens and how it happens is an economic monopoly over these platforms.
steve bannon
It's pretty heroic for President Trump's administration to be bringing this.
The Justice Department, the FTC, you got these are anti-monopoly, you know, trust busters that are sitting there looking at the monopoly power of the oligarchs and actually doing something about it.
Lena Kahn never got really any support by the Biden administration.
Do you think this reverses all the media saying, oh, Trump had them all there for the inauguration and they're all his buddies?
I said they were like captured.
unidentified
Yeah, I think we talked about that on your show.
I do think that it was that.
It was the, you know, bringing in the conquered kings, dragging them before the spectators.
That was the real vibe from the inauguration.
Now the left wanted to frame it as, oh, look, you know, he's having his billionaire golfing buddies at his inauguration.
Well, if they truly were...
Right, then why is this trial ongoing?
You know, President Trump doesn't have to go down this road, but he's the one who started it.
It was his first term that brought this case, and he is now seeing it through to the end.
You know, you can tell how Facebook is used to being treated in Washington by how they're trying to make this trial go away.
They're doing it the old-fashioned way, right?
They're coming in, they're donating to political campaigns, they're setting up meetings at the White House, they're buying houses close to the seat of government power.
They are trying to And it's not working right now.
And that is unusual.
Right? These oligarchs are not used to that treatment.
That's how they became oligarchs in the first place.
So it's fun for me to watch.
steve bannon
Rachel, where do people get you?
What's your socials so that people can follow you?
unidentified
You can follow me on x at Rachel Bovard, and I have a piece up in The Federalist about this trial.
steve bannon
We will push that out hard, Grace and Moe.
Thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
Great work.
Thanks, Steve.
They put every piece of pressure on him.
And Rachel and the Mike Davises of the world, I cannot tell you how much people appreciate their hard work behind the scenes.
Just incredible.
The trial starts today of Zuckerberg.
Not his criminal trial.
Hopefully that'll come in the not-too-distant future.
Pam Bondi, where are you?
Short commercial break.
Back in a moment.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
Okay. Okay, um...
steve bannon
Okay, right there, that's a live shot of the White House.
Of course, this big ruling last night.
Let me just get my glass on right there.
There's the honor guard.
They'll be coming out.
The president of El Salvador will be with the president running a few minutes late.
supposed to be here at 11. We do know that Brian Glenn, our own Brian Glenn, I think is now going to be in the press pool, which is always great.
Brian will definitely get a question in.
I think what's going to happen right now, it's supposed to be 11 o'clock, but the president of El Salvador will come.
The president will meet him traditionally on the West Wing at that entrance.
They'll go in.
They're going to have a bilat for about
I believe they're going to do a press avail either in the Oval Office or they're going to have lunch in the Cabinet Room, which is right off.
Right off the Oval Office.
He's going to have lunch and maybe he brings the cameras in then.
At some time, maybe not during our show, but hopefully, but maybe not.
Maybe later in Charlie's or Jack, or not Jack's, maybe in Charlie's, there will be a press avail.
And obviously this is going to be very important given the issue on the Unitary Executive, or if you want to call it, Article 2. I'm not so sure they're complying with that immediately.
I think there's up in the air some discussion of that.
That'll maybe come up today.
Stephen Miller gave a press avail to this morning that he went, you know, first order of magnitude.
Look at that beautiful shot right there of the Honor Guard.
At the White House from our military services.
See, they come down.
They're coming down from the gate now actually to the West Wing.
And, of course, the various service members peel off with the state flags right there.
Incredible. Very beautiful.
Running about 30 minutes late so far.
But it was scheduled for the morning, which was, and the lunch was scheduled at 1130, which is very unusual for President Trump.
Things don't, doesn't really, not having lunch at 1130 in the morning is not his deal.
So I think this thing will be bumped up a little bit.
Only other activity at the White House today, public activity is going to be the Ohio State Buckeyes are going to come.
The team and President Trump is going to.
I want to go to, so we've got so much, not just breaking news, but important things that happen.
Number one, obviously, not just tariffs and trade, but this is really focused, and this is much more of a bigger involvement in really engagement with the Chinese Communist Party, this war they've been running for us.
We're going to stay split screen on that.
Perfect. Great.
Thank you, Denver.
As soon as the president's vehicle comes through the gate, we will mention that.
Like I said, our reporter, Brian Glenn, is not there.
He's actually in.
He was not supposed to be in the press pool today, but he is going to join it, and Brian will probably get a question in.
So all good things happening on War Room and Real America's Voice this morning on a Monday.
unidentified
Bye.
steve bannon
I'm going to get into that in a minute.
The situation with Cash and with Pam Bondi.
Yes, it's a huge concern.
We actually have another video that Elizabeth over at Telegram has pulled that I want to put up.
And again, talking about the FBI.
Tom Fenton's idea of the FBI and mine are exactly aligned.
I'm not sure you can reform the FBI.
I don't know you should reform the FBI.
Certainly, I would not be putting up stuff on Instagram every couple of days about, hey, we're leading a new FBI and showing guys jumping out of planes and all that.
I'm just not buying that.
It's not a new FBI.
You've put some good people in.
I mean, hell, you got Cash and Dan Bongino.
You couldn't have two better guys than that at the top of it.
But I think that they're only, maybe the general counsel are the only real outsiders that are over there.
I mean, it's still the FBI.
Maybe you're promoting some better people inside, but it's a systemic problem over there.
It's not simply a personnel problem.
It's what's happened to that institution.
Over many decades, it's much too politicized today.
And I have been a believer you have to bifurcate the law enforcement side of it from the counterintelligence, intelligence, counterterrorism part of it.
You have to break that up right away.
And I think the FBI ought to be much smaller.
In fact, I'm not so sure you couldn't take the law enforcement part and somehow, with the Justice Department, work out something with the U.S. attorneys that it was more tightly worked with the U.S. attorneys at that level throughout the country, and maybe with main justice,
and then take the counterterrorism piece.
What I'm saying is essentially...
I would not give the building.
I would not put it up for sale.
I would not give the building and let it become a museum for the deep state.
I think that building's got an incredibly negative vibe about it.
And I'm a huge believer in what hangs around buildings and things that go on in buildings.
Stay there.
I would actually take the building apart.
First off, it's brutalist architecture.
It's one of the ugliest.
Buildings in Washington, D.C. And Washington, D.C. has got a couple of three very ugly buildings that were done on purpose, not randomly.
I think the FBI's headquarters has got to be taken apart.
And I would salt the earth around it.
And I would just put a plaque there to say I would let that real estate.
I mean, look, at 36 train in debt, we want to save every penny.
But, you know, selling that space or putting another federal building up there, we're not going to miss it that badly.
And I think it's very important, symbolically, to just put a plaque there and say, you know, at a point in time, a free people rose up against this and took this down.
It's like Bastille Day.
That'll be like the Bastille, the prison in Paris.
Very symbolic.
And I totally disagree with this thing of the FBI that, oh, we can have some pictures jumping out of planes.
We've got a new FBI.
You don't.
And I honestly don't think today that the people that supported President Trump and got folks in there, as they told Tom on Saturday, when Tom had really dropped the lawsuit, or put the lawsuit in progress against the DOJ.
You know, arresting the top ten, the ten most wanted, hey, that's important, but that is not fundamental to what we need to do.
We've got a period of time we've got to get this done.
And Congress is going to fight you like all get-outs, so you have to confront it.
And you have to get the congressmen that are on your side to be on your side.
You're going to have to take this one on.
This is not going to be easy.
The FBI and the CIA, if you talk about deep state, they're everywhere in the system.
And the FBI is kind of the reign of terror.
They're kind of the secret police.
They're kind of Gestapo.
We're going to get the FBI on you.
And I'm not doing this personally because I don't have anything of vengeance or revenge.
It's just not the way I'm built.
However, I know the power of this.
And it can't because if we don't take this apart in President Trump's term, if it doesn't get done, we're going to regret that this nation will regret it.
Because you're leaving something in place that is not good.
It's way off its original mission.
And if you want to have some sort of law enforcement part, federal law enforcement, which I think that even has to be thought through, right?
And a lot of these RICO laws, like I said on Bill Maher.
The other night about prison, one of the problems of prison, one of the reasons it's so dangerous is these kind of RICO charges, these conspiracy charges against these young men on drugs.
I'm not saying they didn't do anything wrong, but I'm saying the sentences these judges give them of 15, 20, 25 years is one of the reasons that prisons get so violent.
And part of that all comes from the FBI.
So I think it really needs a very deep rethink.
Now, the Justice Department, Pam, is doing an incredible thing.
On some things, what they're doing, like on antitrust, it's extraordinary.
Gail Slater and the team over there and her deputy have just done amazing work.
What's happened to the FTC is amazing.
What's happened to the FCC is amazing.
These are true Trump MAGA people that are looking to basically, are worried about the concentration of power.
They call this group...
Neo-Brandeisians or Brandeisians about the concentration of power.
I'm going to have to do my own play-by-play because Brian Glenn is both inside the...
I can do this.
There we go.
How's that?
Beautiful pageantry right there.
Isn't it great?
President Trump's White House activity.
Here we come.
Right now, I think we're about to go.
This is going to be very important today.
The president of El Salvador, who has done heroic work in turning that country around.
Of course, they call him a dictator.
So all the media today is all obsessed about the two dictators meeting.
That would be President Trump and the president of El Salvador.
What is quite interesting is the obsession of the media on this topic.
And look, I think it's a 90-10 polling project that the American people want these criminal gangs out of here.
They want these terrorist gangs out of here.
The Democrats, all they're doing all day long is arguing for the rights of these terrorists, the rights of these criminal groups, and they're all over President Trump.
But with everything going on in China, with everything going on throughout the world.
On this great war with the Chinese.
And you had Ray Dalio say, hey, he's concerned this is going to upset the very social, the very monetary order that we have.
And I think that this is very true.
That this monetary order predicated upon the dollar, a dollar-based system.
And it's not about trade.
It's not about reorganizing the global trading system.
That has to happen.
Why? Because the United States, if you look at everywhere around the world, we have commercial relationships.
We have trade deals.
We're upside down everywhere.
What did Mike Rogers just say?
It was very powerful.
You look at the map back at the turn of the century, the year 2000, before the full integration, Clinton had gotten China into the World Trade Organization and had gotten most favored nation.
But it was really starting to kick in.
So you go back to the year 2000.
This is after the Clintons were taking bags of cash.
From the Chinese generals coming to the West Wing.
If you looked at the map, you're having surpluses all over the place and the Chinese are very small deficit.
Now you look and the map's totally changed.
The Chinese Communist Party are everywhere.
One, they've stolen all the intellectual property.
Two, currency manipulation.
Three, non-trade barriers.
Four, they've had the money of Wall Street and the law firms in Silicon Valley support them.
Support them.
And what they've turned us into is we're like a colony.
We send them soybeans and sorghum, right, and pork.
They come over and buy the Smithfield ham, so the Chinese company owns all the pork.
We're like a colony.
We send them timber and natural gas and coal, right?
This is what we send them.
We send them natural resources.
Very little finished manufactured product, and what we send is very little.
So they've got us exactly where they want us.
And so with President Trump, this is a hard throwdown.
And what Ray Dalio says is that, hey, this could upset the entire monetary order if you continue on at the same time and trying to redo the global...
There we are right here.
Here we come.
President El Salvador arriving at the West Wing.
This is more of the working entrance.
This is not a state visit, a formal state visit.
This is the head of nation, head of state, but not the formal pageantry you have when they come to the main entrance of the White House.
There will not be a press conference in the East Room today.
There we go.
There's his vehicle coming up.
There's the Executive Office Building in the background, the Eisenhower Executive Office Building called the EOB.
He's coming up to the portico right there.
There is the President of the United States to meet him.
It has become a very familiar President Trump coming to meet his guest.
There's a lot of chemistry there.
President Trump thinks very highly of the President of El Salvador.
A little photo op right there.
alex jones
A little photo op right there.
steve bannon
President Trump, now they go to work.
So there's a little reception room where they walk in.
Then they go right past the Roosevelt Room into the Oval Office from this little reception area.
Now, the order of battle here is that they're supposed to have a bilat.
Bilat is a bilateral.
It's short for bilateral.
That is two heads of state sitting there and talking about confidentially what's going on.
Normally, the president wants a few minutes alone with the head of state.
He'll spend 10 or 15 minutes just one-on-one catching up.
Then they'll bring in, there'll be more people coming for a bilat.
This is traditional.
You'll have people from the State Department, Defense Department.
You'll have some of his staff.
You see some, I think, his staff coming up right now.
Have some of his staff in there, the president of El Salvador, whoever the dignitary is.
President Trump has done something quite different than anybody else has done.
He just hasn't allowed photo ops.
What he's opening up to is what's called press avails, press availabilities.
He will basically have the pool.
And the pool, we should know, now with the White House press corps a little expanded, the pool, they have a selection every day of who's in the pool.
The pool's covering the president.
And the wire services and different ones like that are doing the play-by-play.
Real America's Voice has been quite honored to be in the pool, and that is, to be blunt, because of the hustle shown by our own Brian Glenn.
Brian is on top of this.
He researches the topics.
He has great questions.
Normally, when we had these press avails, a lot of the foreign press, in other words, press –
Or if it's England, you'll have the Daily Telegraph and the Times of London.
So they'll make it specific.
They'll have more of the press representing whether it's France or whatever area of the world the country comes from, including the country's own press.
And then all the major media outlets.
Real America's Voice punching way above their weight is actually now included in the press pool a lot, and that's because our own Brian Glenn has done extraordinary.
Now, President Trump has been known to call an audible to kind of, hey, we're going to take this on the fly, and here's what I want to do.
So we're going to be available at any moment.
To go right to the Oval Office in case he opens up to a press avail.
Since there's no East Room formal press conference, I think there will be a press avail.
President Trump may decide to do it in the lunch.
The lunch is going to be right next to the Oval Office in the Cabinet Room.
So the way the White House is laid out, you have on one side across a tiny hallway the Roosevelt Room, which is kind of for less formal.
Activity is more the times when the president's meeting people on a business side.
Besides going to the Oval, they'll meet there.
That's where they have the podium set up.
Sometimes you see the great painting of Teddy Roosevelt as a rough rider right in back.
That's the Roosevelt Room.
And then right across from that and next to the Oval Office, connected to the Oval Office by the little secretaries or the assistants where they sit, is the cabinet room, which is much more formal.
They're going to have a lunch in the cabinet room today.
There's the...
There's the color guard.
Looked like striking color is going to head back.
Great camera footage today, guys.
Fantastic. The cabinet room.
I think President may even do a press avail then, at the lunch, or at least the beginning of the lunch, after he's had a moment to talk.
So we're going to play that all by ear today.
President El Salvador is there, and we do expect there'll be a press avail.
And so many questions for the President today about what happened over the weekend, particularly with...
Issues on technology.
I think to summarize it is that they are on the technology and the tariffs.
There is, you know, pulling them totally I don't think is correct.
I think there's a number of national security, you know, 232s, etc.
You have to go through a process of doing some reviews.
I think they're trying to catch up on those processes to actually designate it.
I would spend a lot of time thinking about the chips.
Oh, we're going to get to John.
Yeah, John Solomon's got breaking news here.
So let's go ahead and go to John Solomon.
John, you've got a big breaking story, sir.
What do you got for us this morning?
john solomon
Yeah, listen, so new documents that we obtained first through a lawsuit and then through James Comer's subcommittee, because our lawsuit documents were highly redacted.
James Comer was able to get the unredacted version.
They show that Joe Biden, while publicly in 2014...
Vowing to punish Russia for its first invasion of Ukraine actually secretly worked behind the scenes to open a backdoor so that Moscow's They're out there in public saying,
sanction them, punish them.
They're terrible guys.
But behind the scenes, they actually were arranging for Russian gas to flow back into Ukraine right after the invasion.
Now, there's a couple of reasons for it.
Perhaps the most significant reason is that the company Burisma, the one that Hunter Biden worked for, did not have enough gas supply to heat the country in the upcoming winter of 2014.
2014-2015. So Joe Biden goes to bat, and it actually is very beneficial to his son in Burisma.
These documents were all conducted, all these negotiations
On Joe Biden's...
Think about that.
He's negotiating with Russia.
He's talking to Germany.
And the documents are kept off the official books.
They're on his private email, probably because they were beneficial to Hunter Biden's company.
But those documents just broke.
The story's up at Just the News.
And it's another example of Democrats being against Russia until, well, they're for it.
We saw it with Bill Clinton in the $500,000 speech.
We saw it with Skokovo.
And now we see it again in a decade too late, perhaps.
We're now seeing, once again, Democrats on both sides of the Russia equation.
steve bannon
Hang on a second.
I want to make sure I understand this.
Where were these documents and how did you guys get the scoop to release them?
Where were these stored?
How come we haven't seen these before?
Why were they suppressed?
john solomon
Yeah, because Joe Biden has 89,000 emails at the National Archives under his pseudonym email accounts, the fake name email accounts.
We sued to get these.
We're getting them at about 500 a month.
It'll take us 30 years to get them at the way the National Archives is doing it.
We got, in the latest batch, these emails, but they were very redacted.
It turns out that the House Oversight Committee was able to go get us.
Less redacted version.
In fact, fully unredacted versions of the emails.
And that's how we did it.
We did it as a two-step.
First, we sue.
We get them under FOIA.
We realize there's something important here that's redacted.
We work through sources to get it.
And thankfully, James Comer and the House Oversight Committee was able to get us an unredacted version of this email.
But 10 years, the American people have been kept from this secret.
steve bannon
Unbelievable. What kind of activity is going to come off of this?
Another congressional hearing?
Is there criminal?
I mean, where do you see this going?
Because this is a big one.
john solomon
Listen, I think the most important thing that Donald Trump could do right now is to declassify the information of the role that Joe Biden and John Brennan and others in the State Department played in potentially...
Ousting the Ukrainian president Yanukovych in late'13 and early'14.
There is a growing body of evidence, including in Bob Woodward's book, including in documents that we've gotten, including the sources we've talked to, that maybe the U.S. government throughout the Ukrainian president, which created this 10-year crisis in Russia, where you've got two invasions and
you've got the on-and-off Burisma scandal.
I think when you look at this window, it makes no sense that the United States would get into a sanctions battle with Russia and then...
But this whole period, this entire 10-year history, the two invasions, the loss of life on the battlefield, I think it may all stem from the way the Biden-Obama administration dealt with Ukraine and Yanukovych in late 2013 and 2014.
I think declassifying what documents are there could be one of the greatest benefits the American people have to understand this decade of extraordinary insanity.
...in Eastern Europe.
steve bannon
John, one other question, and I realize you're very close to Cash, you're very close to Pam.
You know, people all worked up.
Fenton sued the Justice Department and Pam, I think, on Friday.
You know, one of the questions I keep getting all the time is, why does Solomon and Fenton have to break stories and find scoops when we're supposed to be, oh, we're going to go to the Oval Office right now.
Let's go to the Oval Office right now with the President of the United States.
Let's go ahead and take it.
donald j trump
He's a very young man now.
He's just a young man.
He's done a fantastic job.
Mr. President, it's an honor to have you.
Thank you, Mr. President.
And we appreciate working with you, because you want to stop crime, and so do we.
And it's very, very effective.
And I want to just say hello to the people of El Salvador and say they have one hell of a president.
Okay? And I mean that, and I know him well.
I know him as a very young man, Marco.
Even younger than you.
You know, he started pretty young.
unidentified
He'll always be younger.
donald j trump
Young at heart.
But I want to thank you for the great job you're doing.
I appreciate it so much.
unidentified
Thank you.
Well, it's an honor to be here in the Oval Office with the President and Leader of the Free World.
We're very happy.
And we're very eager to help.
We know that you have a crime problem.
A terrorism problem that you need help with.
And we're a small country, but if we can help, we will do it.
And we actually turned the murder capital of the world, that was what journalists call it, murder capital of the world, into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere.
And, you know, sometimes they say that we imprisoned thousands.
I like to say that we actually liberated millions.
donald j trump
Very good.
Who gave him that line?
Do you think I can use that?
unidentified
In fact, Mr. President, you have 350 million people to liberate.
But to liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some.
That's the way it works, right?
You cannot just free the criminals and think crime is going to go down magically.
You have to imprison them so you can liberate.
250 million Americans that are asking for the end of crime and the end of terrorism.
Many can be done.
I mean, you're doing it already.
And I'm sure that people have seen the change in the streets.
A long way to go because you're just initiating your second term.
But it's clear that, you know, with the numbers at the border, you know, even in Democrat-run cities, they get help from the work you're doing.
So I'm really...
Happy to be here, honored, and eager to help.
donald j trump
Well, we had a terrible thing happen.
We had an administration that allowed people to come in freely into our country from not only South America, but from all over the world, many from the Congo and Africa, Asia, all over the world, Europe,
rough parts of Europe.
And they came from prisons, and they came from mental institutions, and they came from...
unidentified
Gangs and the gangs of Venezuela and other places.
donald j trump
And hundreds of thousands and even millions of them came.
21 million people altogether, but many of the people that came, just a tremendous percentage of them, were criminals, in some cases violent criminals.
We had 11,088 known murderers.
Half of them murdered more than one person.
This was allowed by a man who...
What he did to our country is just unbelievable.
So we're straightening it out.
We're getting them out.
But what they did and what that party did to our country, open borders, anybody could come in.
As soon as I heard that, I said, every prison is going to be emptied out into our country.
That's what happened.
And we're straightening it out.
And we just had numbers.
We had the highest recruiting numbers in the history of our country going into police departments.
And a year ago, we had the lowest numbers.
unidentified
You couldn't hire a business change.
Nobody's ever seen it.
donald j trump
And the military now, Marines, the Army, Air Force, Coast Guard, every slot is...
I mean, we have the best numbers we've ever had.
We call it recruitment numbers.
And we've never had anything like it.
We had records at every single level.
But very important, the policemen.
The policemen are joining forces now that we really were having a hard time with policemen.
Because we weren't protecting our police.
And we cherish our police.
The police are great, and the firemen and everybody else.
But we have the highest numbers that we've ever had, the most enthusiasm.
We have great enthusiasm on trade and other things.
We're doing great.
We're taking in billions and billions of dollars.
We made, two weeks ago, I gave them a little bit of a pause because, you know, you have to show a little flexibility.
But we go back to what we have to do.
The markets have been...
Very strong once they got used to it.
But we were losing $2 billion a day.
There's no company big like this.
This is the biggest deal ever made.
Now we're making $3 billion a day.
We're a great country, but we had stupid people running this country.
And I can say what they've done to us at the border should never and can never be forgotten.
It's a sin what they did.
And you are helping us out, and we appreciate it.
unidentified
Thanks. Thank you.
Actually, what you're doing with the border is remarkable.
It has dropped, what, 95%?
It's incredible.
donald j trump
Okay. As of this morning, 99%.
99.1%, to be exact.
unidentified
Why are those numbers not in the media?
donald j trump
Well, they get out with the fake news, you know, like CNN.
CNN over here doesn't want to put them out because they don't like it.
They don't like putting out good numbers.
They only like putting out, because I think they hate our country, actually.
But it's a shame.
You're right.
Isn't that a great question?
Why doesn't the media, why don't they put out numbers?
unidentified
Yeah, 99%.
I mean, it's crazy, right?
It's a crazy turnaround.
donald j trump
Christy, could you maybe say a couple of words about the border, how we're doing?
unidentified
You know, it's just been absolutely phenomenal what a great leader can do.
Clear direction.
Our laws matter.
We should only have people in our country that love us.
Border Patrol and our ICE officers and law enforcement officers have done fantastic work, so we're proud of them.
Now we just need to get the criminals and murderers and rapists and dangerous gang members and terrorist organizations out of our country.
So, Mr. President Bukele, we thank you very much for your partnership.
It has been wonderful for us to be able to have somewhere to send the worst of the worst.
And someone to partner with.
And we'd like to continue that partnership because it's been a powerful message of consequences.
Mr. President, you wanted people to know that there was consequences if you break our laws and harm our people and endanger families.
And this is a clear consequence for the worst of the worst that we have somewhere to put them.
donald j trump
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Yeah, we even had this gang member from Venezuela, one of the ones you sent.
We interviewed him just, you know, to get some information, et cetera, from them.
And he said,"Oh, well, you know, I got arrested six times, but they released me that six times, so they should be released again." And then we said,"Well, what's the last thing you do?" And he said,"Well, I shot a cop in the leg, but I didn't kill him.
I just shot him in the leg." And we're like,"This guy was arrested six times here in the United States.
Six times.
He was released six times." He was released five times, and the last time he was sent to El Salvador, right?
So he's not getting a release.
But the last time he shot a cop, actually, and he shot him in the leg.
So these are, you know, like you said, yeah, there's something broken.
donald j trump
The liberal establishment.
But they're not running things anymore in this country, and we're run by, and I don't say conservative, I don't say anything, we're run by people with great common sense.
unidentified
Yeah, common sense.
donald j trump
Because it's all common sense.
It's not liberal conservative.
It's common sense.
Exactly. Like, do you allow men to play in women's sports?
Do you allow men to box your women in box?
Because I know you have a lot of boxing.
unidentified
That's violence.
donald j trump
That's abuse of a woman.
It's abuse of a woman.
Totally. But we have people that fight to the death because they think men should be able to play in women's sports.
And some of those sports, it wouldn't matter much.
But it still matters.
But some of them are very dangerous for women.
unidentified
Some years ago, like we said, a decade ago or so, women's rights movements were pressuring so that we enacted specific laws to avoid men abusing women.
And I think those laws were great because there were a lot of men abusing women.
But now some of the same people are trying to backtrack and actually trying to make new laws allowing men to abuse women in any sport.
So actually, that doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
donald j trump
It's crazy.
You know, they have weightlifting records, right?
Yeah. A woman gets up this way.
She's incredible.
A guy gets up and beats her by 100 pounds.
What are you going to do?
A record that hadn't been broken in 18 years.
You know, they put on an ounce and an ounce, quarter an ounce, eighth of an ounce for 18 years.
Now they have a guy come up peeing.
The whole thing is crazy.
But... They continue to fight.
And I don't like talking about it because I want to save it for just before the next election.
I say to my people, don't even talk about it because they'll change.
But I watched this morning.
There was a congressman fighting to the death for men to play against women in sports.
And you say to yourself, why?
What are they doing?
What are they doing?
But your country is not too big in that.
unidentified
No, of course not.
We're big in protecting women.
donald j trump
It's a very important form of protection.
unidentified
And as you can see, most of my cabinet are women.
donald j trump
That's impressive.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
And they're not DEI hires or anything.
They're just great at what they do.
That's right.
donald j trump
This is very impressive.
This is a first.
We've had women, but we've never had three of them right here.
unidentified
Four and three men.
donald j trump
Look who we have.
You guys feel a little bit mistreated?
That's good.
I like it.
We've been advanced.
I've been very advanced in that regard, too.
We have Pam, who's been so fantastic.
Christy. Christy, and the most powerful woman they see anywhere in the world.
unidentified
They're all afraid of me.
donald j trump
Susie Wells, they say, oh, she's tough.
Most powerful woman in the world, according to magazines.
What do I know?
But I think she probably is.
Yeah, she probably is.
Congratulations. And, you know, Stephen has done such a great job.
unidentified
Thank you, sir.
donald j trump
We have great people.
unidentified
We're famous, too.
donald j trump
But we love working with a few years.
It really lets them have it, right?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
donald j trump
There's no games.
unidentified
No, no, no.
It's very good.
donald j trump
He knows.
Do you have any questions, please?
unidentified
Mr. President Trump.
donald j trump
Go ahead, let's not start with him, then.
Mr. President.
They're just so wrong.
Yeah, please.
unidentified
Yeah, thank you, Mr. President.
You repeatedly mentioned last night that Russia's attack on Ukraine was a mistake.
What is the exact mistake?
And had you given Putin a deadline to actually move toward a ceasefire?
donald j trump
The mistake was letting the war happen.
If Biden were competent, and if Zelenskyy were competent, and I don't know that he is, we had a rough session with this guy over here.
He just kept asking for more and more.
That war should have never been allowed to happen.
That war...
I went four years and Putin wouldn't even bring it up.
And as soon as the election was rigged and I wasn't here, that war started.
There was no way that war should have been allowed to happen.
And Biden should have stopped it.
And you take a look at Putin.
I'm not saying anybody's an angel.
But I will tell you, I went four years and it wasn't even a question.
He would never...
And I told him, don't do it.
You're not going to do it.
And it was the apple of his eye, but there was no way that he would have done it.
All you had to do was lower oil prices.
If you lowered oil prices, Biden kept the prices so high because he made it impossible to get it.
If you lowered oil prices, you would have never had the war.
But you wouldn't have had it with me anyway.
That war would have never happened.
And I think it's a great abuse.
So now what do you do?
You get a country where 25 percent of its land is gone and the best locations.
Where millions of people are killed.
You know, you haven't reported accurately the death.
And this was Biden's war.
And I'm trying to stop it.
And I think we're going to do a good job.
I hope we're going to do it.
They lose 2,500 young people a week, on average.
Now, they're Russians and they're Ukrainians.
But it's 2,000.
We don't care.
It's like whatever it is.
They're not from your country.
They're not from mine.
But I want to stop it.
2,500, it's a killing field.
It's like the civil war.
You take a look.
I look at the satellite pictures.
This should not be happening in our time.
Of course, our time can be pretty violent, as we know.
But that's a war that should have never been allowed to start.
And Biden could have stopped it.
And Zelensky could have stopped it.
And Putin should have never started it.
Everybody's to blame.
unidentified
Have you spoken to President Zelensky, sir, about his offer to purchase more Patriot missile batteries?
I don't know.
donald j trump
He's always looking to purchase missiles.
Listen, when you start a war, you've got to know that you can win the war, right?
You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles.
If we didn't give them what we gave, remember, I gave them javelins.
That's how they won their first big battle.
With the tanks that got stuck in the mud and they took them out with javelins.
They have an expression that Obama at the time, Obama gave them sheets and Trump gave them javelins.
But just something that should have never happened.
It's a really shame.
The towns are destroyed.
Towns and cities are largely destroyed.
They have the...
The spires, you know, the beautiful spires that go up.
They say they were the most beautiful in the world in Ukraine, for whatever reason, but the most beautiful in the world.
They're mostly laying on their side, shattered and broken.
And most importantly, you have millions of people dead.
Millions of people dead because of three people.
I would say three people.
Let's say Putin, number one.
But let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing.
Number two, and Zelensky.
And all I can do is try and stop it.
That's all I want to do.
I want to stop the killing.
And I think we're doing well in that regard.
I think you'll have some very good proposals very soon.
unidentified
Last question, sir.
Have you attributed a motive through the FBI investigation behind the attack on Governor Josh Shapiro over the weekend?
donald j trump
No, I haven't.
But the attacker was not a fan of Trump, I understand.
Just from what I...
Read it from what I've been told.
The attacker basically wasn't a fan of anybody.
It's probably just a whack job.
And certainly a thing like that cannot be allowed to happen.
unidentified
Is your relation with President Bukele the best guarantee that this time you won't terminate the temporary protected status?
donald j trump
I have a great relationship with this man.
I have the best relationship with him.
We've known each other.
I've known him since he was a very young man, as I said.
Very, very young.
And I was impressed.
I said,"Look out, this guy is..." In fact, you sort of look like a teenager.
You look like a teenager.
I said,"What kind of a country is it?" I don't know if that's good or bad, Mr. President.
unidentified
He grew up well in the last five years.
Do you support extension for Nationals of El Salvador under temporary protection status?
I support him.
Do you plan to ask President Bukele to help return the man who your administration says was mistakenly deported to El Salvador?
donald j trump
Well, let me ask Pam.
Would you answer that question?
unidentified
Sure, President.
First and foremost, he was illegally in our country.
He had been illegally in our country.
And in 2019, Two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court, ruled that he was a member of MS-13 and he was illegally in our country.
Right now, it was a paperwork.
It was additional paperwork that needed to be done.
That's up to El Salvador if they want to return him.
That's not up to us.
The Supreme Court ruled, President, that if, as El Salvador wants to return him, this is international matters, foreign affairs.
If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.
donald j trump
And you are doing a great job.
unidentified
Thank you.
donald j trump
Can you just also respond to that question?
Because, you know, it's asked by CNN and they always ask it with a slant because they're totally slanting because they don't know what's happening.
That's why nobody's watching them.
But would you answer that question also, please?
stephen miller
Yes, gladly.
So, as Pam mentioned, there's an illegal alien.
From El Salvador.
So with respect to you, he's a citizen of El Salvador.
So it's very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as a starting point.
As two immigration courts found that he was a member of MS-13, when President Trump declared MS-13 to be a foreign terrorist organization.
That meant that he was no longer eligible under federal law, which I'm sure you know, you're very familiar with the INA, that he was no longer eligible for any form of immigration relief in the United States.
So he had a deportation order that was valid, which meant that under our law, he's not even allowed to be present in the United States and had to be returned because of the foreign terrorist designation.
This issue was then by a district court judge.
Completely inverted, and a district court judge tried to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and fly him back here.
That issue was raised to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither Secretary of State, nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador,
who again is a member of MS-13, which as I'm sure you understand, rapes little girls, murders women, murders children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities in the world, and I can promise you, if he was your neighbor, you would move right away.
So you don't plan to ask for any help to get him back?
unidentified
But the Supreme Court's asking to...
donald j trump
And what was the ruling in the Supreme Court, Steve?
Was it 9 to nothing?
stephen miller
Yes, it was a 9-0.
donald j trump
In our favor.
stephen miller
In our favor, against the district court ruling, saying that no district court has the power to compel the foreign policy function of the United States.
As Pam said, the ruling solely stated that if this individual, at El Salvador's sole discretion, was sent back to our country, that we could deport him a second time.
No version of this legally ends up with him ever living here because he is a citizen of El Salvador.
That is the president of El Salvador.
Your questions about it, per the court, can only be directed to him.
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