March 13, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| Big questions, but a key question, since Wyckoff is in Moscow, is what pressure the Trump administration is willing and ready to apply on Russia to abide by a ceasefire? | ||
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Is there any inkling of any of that? | |
| It hasn't been talked about. | ||
| All of this should not be aired in the press. | ||
| No offense. | ||
| But I think we'll get to a better endgame if some of this is quietly done. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| It seemed like it. | ||
| I also saw a report that Putin has already rejected the 30-day ceasefire. | ||
| Apparently, the way I was seeing it just before walking on, they're casting doubt on it. | ||
| But again, everything is an angle. | ||
| But to embarrass Trump publicly... | ||
| Is not a good look. | ||
| So I think what would be on the table now with Witkoff there, and he's a seasoned negotiator, this is not going to be his particular focus, so I read again. | ||
| But what could be on the table is Russian gives to get to a place that Ukraine could accept. | ||
| Ukraine has to accept the deal. | ||
| It's not Trump's deal. | ||
| It's not Russia's deal. | ||
| It's Ukraine ending a... | ||
| A war that was unjustly launched against it. | ||
| So moments ago, Jonathan LaMere, President Trump threatened to place additional tariffs on European alcohol if the EU does not lift its 50% tariff on U.S. whiskey. | ||
| The president posting on social media, if this tariff is not removed immediately... | ||
| The U.S. will shortly place a 200% tariff on all wines, champagnes, and alcoholic products coming out of France and other EU-represented countries. | ||
| This will be great. | ||
| For the wine and champagne business in the U.S. So, Andrew, let's just get your reaction here. | ||
| Both, I mean, this European EU tariff news just a few moments ago on Truth Social, but certainly it has been days worth now of increasingly hostile rhetoric from President Trump, Canada, Europe, the like, and seemingly not backing off these threats of tariffs. | ||
| Look, I just think there's two things that we need to talk about this morning. | ||
| One is just some historical perspective. | ||
| I think we might have mentioned it on the broadcast before, but you go back to 1930, Smoot-Hawley, those tariffs, and then you look a year later, what happened to global trade? | ||
| It dropped by 60%. | ||
| That's what happens when you get in a trade war. | ||
| It becomes a back and forth. | ||
| It becomes a retaliatory effort. | ||
| That's where we are. | ||
| And if it continues, I imagine we will look a year later from now and we will say that global trade has declined in a very, very material way. | ||
| I will also say... | ||
| Something we have not talked about on this broadcast at all. | ||
| You talk to folks in the travel industry, folks that are involved in airlines, in hotels, and everything else. | ||
| This trade war is going to turn into something broader than just a trade war. | ||
| People in other countries are not coming to the United States the way they used to. | ||
| You are going to see travel drop. | ||
| Foreigners saying, we don't like these people. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| And I think that that has an economic impact, but has a much broader, more profound impact that has not even been sort of calculated in what's going on here. | ||
| The judge hinted there, this chilling effect. | ||
| What were law firms and other legal experts concerned about? | ||
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So this firm was the basically lead counsel for the 2016 campaign for Hillary Clinton. | |
| They helped fund the dossier that Trump obviously became obsessed with and hated and thought was unfairly tarnishing his ties to Russia. | ||
| The same law firm in 2020 was at the forefront of many of the post- Mark Elias has since left the firm and subsequently... | ||
| A partner at the firm who had been involved with some of the stuff around the campaign and the dossier and Trump's ties to Russia was indicted and went to trial and was acquitted. | ||
| So there has been a judicial process on Perkins Coie before. | ||
| One of their partners was indicted. | ||
| He went to trial. | ||
| He was acquitted. | ||
| Trump tried to sue Perkins Coie. | ||
| That lawsuit fell flat. | ||
| But what happens is that last Thursday, he signs this executive order that essentially cripples the firm. | ||
| It basically says that this firm that has a big office in Washington cannot interact with the federal government. | ||
| It essentially stops them from interacting with the federal government. | ||
| And if you're a client of Perkins Coie and your lawyer cannot interact with the government and you have contracts with the government and business before the government, it is highly detrimental. | ||
| That is what Perkins Coie's lawyers, they have their own law firm now representing them, Williams and Connolly, says yesterday. | ||
| They say that this is an existential threat to this firm based on the simple fact that Donald Trump, nearly 10 years after Perkins Coie committed what he thinks is his first sin against him, is suffering under because of this executive order. | ||
| I think the fundamental thing that Americans need to understand, and I'm talking about Not the government, but the people watching. | ||
| Your relationship with Canada, your economic relationship, it's good for you. | ||
| The trade between our countries is balanced and mutually beneficial. | ||
| The stuff you buy from us, you don't buy it out of the goodness of your heart. | ||
| You buy our energy because you need it. | ||
| I think you're from Indiana, right Kate? | ||
| 80% of the potash that American farmers use, and that is fertilizer. | ||
| You buy from us. | ||
| You need that too. | ||
| Uranium for your nuclear reactors, you buy that from us. | ||
| So you need the stuff that you buy from us. | ||
| It's good for you that you get it. | ||
| There is no country that is a better friend and a more reliable ally than Canada. | ||
| And at the same time, we're your biggest market. | ||
| So I have to say, like for us, We agree with the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| This is a dumb trade war. | ||
| It is utterly absurd. | ||
| And we don't really understand why you would pick a fight with your best friend who has only ever been a really good partner to you. | ||
| But if you keep on doing it, we'll just keep on hitting back. | ||
| How about no tax on tips? | ||
| How about no tax on overtime? | ||
| How about no Social Security? | ||
| How about all those things? | ||
| These are the kind of thoughts that will change America. | ||
| I know what his goal is. | ||
| No tax for anybody who makes less than $150,000 a year. | ||
| That's his goal. | ||
| And that's what I'm working for. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| It's Thursday, 13 March, Year of Our Lord, 2025. | ||
| We wanted to give you a cold open that gave you the entire width of the battlefield today. | ||
| So you can have a battlefield perspective on every vertical that we're fighting on and President Trump is fighting on. | ||
| We didn't even have a chance to add this morning, breaking news, the CDC, Weldon, who is Make America Healthy Again. | ||
| His nomination was pulled. | ||
| The rumor is about they didn't want questioning on measles. | ||
| We're going to try to get Mary Holland, maybe even Bobby Kennedy himself on here later, because that would be unsatisfactory. | ||
| You can't pull him over measles. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| So we've got to get to the bottom of that because, well, in CDC, we've got to get this thing sorted. | ||
| Of course, you saw everything from taxes to the judicial insurrection. | ||
| Mike Davis is going to join us at 11 to go through this whole, because on the legal front, I mean, boom, there's seven or eight court decisions, court opinions right now that are slowing us down. | ||
| Also, John Solomon's going to be here breaking news about a new investigation he's got. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Let's get Jack Basovic. | ||
| Jack Basovic and Ben Harnwell. | ||
| Jack, the biggest news of the morning, Wall Street Journal's reporting coming out of Moscow, this is a senior aide to Putin. | ||
| Putin appreciates President Trump's work on all this. | ||
| But he put on a military uniform, went to Kursk, and said, thanks, but no thanks. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Well, Steve, thanks again for having me on. | ||
| And everyone here in the war room knows the way that we've known for years on end since the day this war began, and even prior to when this war began, that this was always a situation where the West and NATO were walking Ukraine down the primrose path into being smashed by Russian forces. | ||
| And that's what Professor John Mearsheimer said over a decade ago now. | ||
| And we specifically talked time and time again about the effect of German armor on the blood memory of the bloodlands of the East, especially Kursk, where the largest World War II tank battle and actually the largest tank battle in human history took place. | ||
| That's why the Russian forces go all in. | ||
| That's why Putin puts on the fatigues. | ||
| That's why he goes down there the first time that he's put on fatigues since the beginning of this war. | ||
| He's sending a message about what happens when you come after Mother Russia. | ||
| That's a message, by the way, for domestic consumption as well as international consumption. | ||
| So on the heels of that, it's very pretty obvious to understand that's not exactly the kind of outfit that you wear to the ceasefires reception. | ||
| That's not exactly what you wear to the treaty signing. | ||
| Look, Jeddah took place. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Yeah, but hang on one second. | ||
| I want to make sure the audience understands this. | ||
| You know, because the Western media portrays Putin as like the personification of the devil. | ||
| He's also got, you know, we had, what was it, Fleckner on last week, his new book, Our Businesses is Death, about the Russian mercenary army. | ||
| As he said last week on the show, John Leckner, that there are many more bad hombres in senior Russian military command in the Kremlin than Putin. | ||
| Guys who, and to wit, in Curse the other day posted, I think you broke the story. | ||
| To outflank the Ukrainian and incredibly brave guys that took curse to outflank them the Russian army the Russian troops Crawled through six miles of a gas pipe to come up and back of and outflank the Ukrainians because they couldn't they couldn't envelop the Ukrainians the Ukrainians were so tough They couldn't be enveloped. | ||
| This is the type of fight. | ||
| This is in And Putin has got some very bad hombres that think, quite frankly, he's a pussy. | ||
| They think Putin's kind of weak. | ||
| They don't think he's tough enough. | ||
| And they think he's kowtowing to Trump. | ||
| Am I too far off base on that, Jack Posobiec? | ||
| Well, Steve, here's how it is, right? | ||
| There's people within the Kremlin Particularly from the military side, the security side, the FSB side, which of course Putin himself also comes from, that they've wanted Kiev to be glassed for a decade plus. | ||
| They said just glass the place, get rid of all of them, dismantle this government. | ||
| Take them out by the bayonet and get rid of everything there and install someone in the old way that Russia used to do it. | ||
| Go in like that. | ||
| Go in big. | ||
| Wipe them out and call it a day. | ||
| That's been something, obviously, that the Russians have not done to this point. | ||
| That's something that Lavrov, of course, the foreign minister, has not been pushing for. | ||
| So the idea that Putin is the one that's driving the furthest to the hard line. | ||
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No, no, no, no, no. | |
| know. | ||
| It's that there are people who are far, far, far worse than him. | ||
| But what I was saying, Steve, is that this this work down in Jeddah, the term sheet that's coming out of the Ukrainian side. | ||
| OK, that's that's great. | ||
| great. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Obviously, of course, we support the efforts of Secretary Rubio, of Mike Waltz down there. | ||
| But a lot of this is interlocutory theater without the Russian term sheet. | ||
| And that's why you saw this strategic leak by the Russian hardliners to the Washington Post last night, about 12 hours ago. | ||
| Now, you saw this leak from an FSB related think tank, a supposedly classified document, which is obviously strategically leaked by the Russians to say, look, these are the demands that the hardliners want. | ||
| That's how far these guys want to go. | ||
| And Steve, when you look at this stuff, we're talking about full control over all the regions, demilitarized zones on the northeast border, where, by the way, Kursk is, demilitarized buffer zone around Crimea. | ||
| That would include Odessa and a dismantling of the Ukrainian government as it currently exists. | ||
| Hang on, because along with kinetic warfare, you have information warfare. | ||
| This leak to the Post that was the lead story overnight on the Daily Mail actually showed you the ultra-nationalists in Russia, they're going to play Smash Mouth. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| I also want to say, Steve Witkoff, who's our guy, when he was in Qatar and called Bibi and said, hey, I'm flying in, we've got to sit down immediately on this. | ||
| And Bibi's guy said, hey, it's Shabbat or it's Saturday, you can't do it. | ||
| He said, hey, be in your office at 8 o'clock. | ||
| We're going to talk. | ||
| I think Witkoff is cooling the seals in Moscow, right? | ||
| These brothers are playing smash mouth at even the pre-negotiating table. | ||
| We're going to be right back. | ||
| We've got tariffs. | ||
| We have taxes. | ||
| We have a judicial insurrection in war. | ||
| This morning, in the war room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | |
| Okay, I want to hit reset. | ||
| So we're going to get to, Mary Holland's going to join us in the second hour. | ||
| We're going to talk about the CDC. Weldon's nomination being pulled over. | ||
| Measles, New York Times reporting. | ||
| Mike Davis is going to be here on the Judicial Insurrection, and this is serious, folks, as we told you. | ||
| Also, prisoners who were with me, or a prisoner who was with me at Danbury for praying the rosary in front of an abortion center, one of the holiest guys I've ever met. | ||
| We've had him on the show before. | ||
| Will Goodman is going to be resentenced tomorrow in a state court in New Jersey by some radical judge to send him back to a New Jersey prison on the same charge. | ||
| We're going to have Will Goodman with us. | ||
| We got taxes, tariffs, world's on fire this morning, President Trump on fire, on true social, sending off one missive after the other. | ||
| But we need to deal right now with this main event and that it would be this ceasefire, ultimately peace. | ||
| Let's go back over. | ||
| We got Ben Harmore is going to jump in here in a second. | ||
| I just want to reset the stage. | ||
| We go to Riyadh, you get this, you know, you get an agreement on ceasefire, but you're a long way from having it. | ||
| Because the Russians do have terms and they're going to say, hey, the NATO and other guys have tricked us before. | ||
| And the Russians are not, you know, somebody on BBC or Sky TV the other day, a woman asked me, the host, well, do you trust Putin? | ||
| Hell no, we don't trust Putin. | ||
| He's KGB. Like, Churchill didn't trust Stalin. | ||
| FDR didn't trust Stalin until FDR got a little sleepy at Yalta and Alger Hiss and these guys gave everything away. | ||
| But Jack Posobiec, folks got to understand, to have a rapprochement with the Russians and to actually end the kinetic part of the Third World War is a heavy lift. | ||
| And this is why with President Trump, with everything he's got going on, with this war and peace and prosperity, for him to have to call and whip... | ||
| The CR vote. | ||
| Oh, by the way, like the fifth story we have this morning, the Democrats are not going to... | ||
| I think we're shutting down the government tomorrow night because the Democrats don't have the vote to break the filibuster. | ||
| So this is all coming together, and I think the next 48, 72 hours is going to be pretty intense. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, Moscow, Kursk, and Kiev, sir. | ||
| Well, Steve, of course, this is part of the axis of instability that we've been talking about for a long time, because what is it? | ||
| This is the kinetic part of the globalist American empire that President Trump is working to widen down. | ||
| This needs to be seen, and the War Room audience understands this, that this is completely interconnected with the tariffs and the global restructuring of the world economy as pertains to the global American empire that President Trump is undertaking. | ||
| Canadians think it's about them, the Mexicans, the Chinese. | ||
| No, no, it's about us. | ||
| It's about the United States. | ||
| It's about what's good for the homeland. | ||
| It's about what's good for the American people and the American worker, putting that first and foremost, not the globalist Davos elites, the Atlanticists, and the bicoastal elites of New York and L.A. It's simple. | ||
| And, Steve, like your good buddy, Gavin. | ||
| And so when we have a new... | ||
| Deal that President Trump, a fair deal that President Trump is trying to put forward for the American worker, it's simple. | ||
| We are not going to seek monsters abroad anymore, and that also means... | ||
| Prosperity at home through manufacturing. | ||
| Prosperity at home through a restructuring of how we run our global trade commitments and our global military commitments. | ||
| Because if we're not constantly going to war to open up new markets, to search for new commodities, people forget it wasn't just that Biden's son was on the board of a Ukrainian oligarchs company. | ||
| It was a gas and oil company called Burisma working for a Ukrainian oligarch there in Ukraine. | ||
| Because if you get over there, you get the oil deal, then you're able to have the U.S. be subservient because it all comes down to financial trade in the global markets. | ||
| But President Trump understands that it's intrinsically linked. | ||
| That's why he's brought up the mineral deal. | ||
| That's why he's trying to find a way to economically restructure things so that the United States isn't on the hook for these things anymore. | ||
| And also that you completely knock the neocons and neoliberals out. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he's trying to change the incentives. | ||
| If you change the incentives, then you have the ability to actually restructure the entire ball of wax. | ||
| So we're not going to be searching for constant NATO expansion. | ||
| We're not going to be searching to knock off, you know, this regime and that regime all the time. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because we're not going to fund the U.S. government by debt anymore. | ||
| I just want to make an announcement. | ||
| Absolutely magnificent there, Jack. | ||
| Tying everything together. | ||
| Price of gold, $29.63. | ||
| It's on a run. | ||
| The converging forces around this. | ||
| I need everybody right now. | ||
| Birch Gold. | ||
| Text your phone. | ||
| Bannon 989898. Get investing in gold in the air of Trump. | ||
| You need to read this about the forces. | ||
| We ain't selling you a fish. | ||
| We're trying to teach you how to fish to think about it and Scott Besson Let's go right to the White House the secretary Treasury Jack handle. | ||
| He's doing a press guy Let's go right to the White House secretary Treasury Scott Besson. | ||
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We want to protect the American worker and A lot of these trade deals haven't been fair. | |
| But I can tell you what's not good for the economy is this government shutdown. | ||
| I don't know what Democrats are thinking here because they're going to own it. | ||
| And to the extent that it hurts confidence, hurts the American people. | ||
| We've had incredible Republican unity since January 20th. | ||
| And the fact that the Democrats are in disarray, they're flailing, and this is the best they can do, that I think this is the economic story for the next few days. | ||
| Not the tariffs. | ||
| Not for the next few days. | ||
| If they want to take us into a shutdown, they're going to own it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| What plans is the administration making for a shutdown? | ||
| Okay, let me have it. | ||
| Right there is the buried lead. | ||
| It took Scott Besant and the Secretary of Treasurer to come outside the White House press gallery right there and say, hey, the Democrats, and I said right now it's the fifth story because people are not talking about it enough. | ||
| We're going to have a government shutdown. | ||
| The Democrats, you're going to have Schumer, you're going to have Chuck Schumer shut down the government. | ||
| Why? | ||
| They want to stop President Trump from everything he's doing and Elon Musk and the Doge team. | ||
| I just would tell those guys. | ||
| I think the Musketeers, that Elon Musk and the Musketeers, you know, might be on even a bigger tear after that. | ||
| I think it's very important for Secretary of Treasury Scott Besson, as you know, he was one of our big contributors here, given his financial and capital markets knowledge over the last couple of years, to get more out in front of these things. | ||
| I would love to see him doing more gaggles. | ||
| I'd like to see him taking more questions from the press. | ||
| Jack Posobiec. | ||
| You just mentioned world capital markets, the economy, deficits, all of it. | ||
| Gold's on a tear right now. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's a hedge against times of turbulence. | ||
| We have times of turbulence right now. | ||
| You see it right now in the uncertainty. | ||
| And this negotiation is not going to be easy. | ||
| Remember, they would have never started a war if Trump, you know, the 2020 election had been stolen and Trump was there. | ||
| But Trump's the only person that can unwind this and stop the kinetic part. | ||
| Jack, I also want to go back. | ||
| I did it on Gavin Newsom the other day, but it's like a shock to liberals because they don't watch War Room. | ||
| What we're seeing right now from the invasion of Ukraine three years ago and the start of this war, it's much bloodier than from the invasion of Poland to Operation Barbarossa in June of 2021. But I'd actually throw in... | ||
| The Chinese going into Manchuria. | ||
| I would kick in the Spanish Civil War and I'd throw in the Winter War with the Finns and the Russians. | ||
| You add it all up until Operation Barbarossa in 1941 in June and then later Pearl Harbor. | ||
| This is far bloodier, far more vicious. | ||
| This is like World War I type conflict and blood and killing and maiming and casualties. | ||
| than you've ever seen before. | ||
| People have to understand Trump's stepping in the middle of something and wars always become up to wars of annihilation. | ||
| Why? | ||
| People get angry. | ||
| People, their vendettas. | ||
| Your family's been killed. | ||
| Your business has been destroyed. | ||
| You see your country being blown up. | ||
| And it just gets vicious. | ||
| The Russian army crawled and walked six miles through gas pipes to surround the Ukrainians because the Ukrainians would not be enveloped. | ||
| They were fighting that hard and cursed. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, give me some perspective on how heavy a lift this is for Donald Trump. | ||
| Look, Steve, I think everybody needs to take a step back, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| We are currently within the fourth turning. | ||
| The fourth turning was always going to be about chaos. | ||
| It was always going to be about churn. | ||
| The other potential, remember, the other side of this coin had the United States going down the other road was a full totalitarianization of the United States government and the U.S. system, which began under COVID, and that at the same time coupled with a third world war versus the BRICS nations and then throw in Iran, North and that at the same time coupled with a third world war versus the BRICS nations and then throw in Iran, North Korea, | ||
| What President Trump is doing is he's understood the lessons of World War I and understood that Washington's warning and also Eisenhower's warning about foreign entanglements and the military industrial complex, that if you let these foreign treaties run out. | ||
| and govern all of your decisions That is how your wars expand. | ||
| That is how you get into deeper and deeper and bloodier and bloodier wars. | ||
| That's how World War I broke out. | ||
| World War I could have been contained. | ||
| It was a Habsburg war. | ||
| It could have been contained to that, but it got bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| Then the czar sends his troops in. | ||
| Then he gets knocked off. | ||
| And then, of course, what do we have? | ||
| The Bolshevik Revolution. | ||
| Obviously, the exact same territory that we're talking about right now with Kursk. | ||
| This stuff always happens and expands and expands and expands, leads to the Second World War, leads to the Cold War, etc., etc. | ||
| President Trump is saying, let's take another path. | ||
| That's why he's empowered Secretary Besson in there to say, look, we can find an economic way to restructure the way that we're looking at all of this rather than go down the road of bombs, military, artillery, and the bodies lying in the dirt. | ||
| Go on Telegram right now. | ||
| Anyone can go on Telegram. | ||
| We don't show the videos because it's so horrific here for the War Room audience, but please feel free to go. | ||
| You know, I believe in free speech and I believe in free... | ||
| Free access to information if anybody wants it. | ||
| You could see the bodies. | ||
| And I look every single day and I see the bodies lying. | ||
| These are Christian European men lying dead in trenches because of the policies of previous administrations. | ||
| Jack, what's your social media? | ||
| Where do people get you on Twitter? | ||
| Because you are on fire, brother, and the show that follows us at 2 p.m. | ||
| Eastern Standard Time. | ||
| Well, of course, we're up at Jack Posobiec. | ||
| You'll see us there at 2 p.m. | ||
| We're going all in on tariffs today with Gavin Wax and also our new opinion editor at Human Events, Kenny Cody. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I'll watch that. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Take your number two pencil out and write down security guarantee. | ||
| Security guarantee. | ||
| They want to suck in the United States permanently. | ||
| In the Ukraine. | ||
| Ain't gonna happen. | ||
| Not in the bloodlines. | ||
| Not on our watch. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
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President Trump is up. | |
| He's firing away on tariffs this morning. | ||
| We're gonna get into that more, the economics of this. | ||
| I'm gonna play this Howard Lutnick thing again in a second, but I want to get... | ||
| Ben Harnwell, we're going to go to Rome, our international editor. | ||
| Ben, you've been on this, and you've been right on everything for the last three years. | ||
| Give me your sense from the European capitals, and this is all coming down to, you can tell, and Putin leaked that to the, or the guys around him leaked that to the Washington Post last night, this story, how they have this whole plan to envelop us, etc. | ||
| But this is why... | ||
| This agreement cannot be contingent. | ||
| A conditioned precedent on this agreement cannot be an American security guarantee. | ||
| You know, it's just not going to work. | ||
| And I will tell folks, if it comes down to that, I think you're going to see more fighting in the Ukraine. | ||
| We're going to see how good the Europeans are back in Zelensky's move. | ||
| I agree with President Trump. | ||
| Zelensky's got no cards. | ||
| But this is... | ||
| There's a huge push to have it from the Ukrainians, from the capitals of Europe, from NATO, from Brussels, from Davos. | ||
| They want American, young American men and women, boys and girls, as hostages in there in some security force. | ||
| Harnwell, what's the state of play here from your perspective? | ||
| Well, look, Steve, I'm basically the only analyst I'm aware of that said, and I think I said this to you in three separate texts. | ||
| Before the White House showdown a couple of weeks ago, I said I don't believe there's going to be any agreement signed in the White House on that day. | ||
| And I sent you two texts yesterday saying I don't believe that Russia is going to sign up for this 30-day ceasefire. | ||
| Now, in terms of punditry, only fools deal with prophecy. | ||
| But I did stick my neck out with you on both of these occasions. | ||
| And I can only explain what led me. | ||
| To this analysis. | ||
| And it's basically this, Steve. | ||
| I don't think anybody outside of the war room is certainly in American media is trying to look at the situation from not only the Russian perspective, but certainly absolutely not the Chinese perspective here. | ||
| And that is a massive blind spot in journalistic terms. | ||
| I think this is professional malpractice. | ||
| If you're the CCP, if you're... | ||
| And you're looking at this. | ||
| What is the one thing that you would actually be wanting to see happen at this stage when you see the turbulence in the domestic U.S. financial markets right now? | ||
| You see the war fatigue. | ||
| The one thing that you would really want to do, and this is what Russia is doing with a fishing line, it's drawing President Trump ever closer in and with his credibility into committing permanently. | ||
| To underwrite Ukraine's security guarantees. | ||
| Now, they're either going to call it that or they're not, but that is absolutely what's on the card. | ||
| So if you're Xi here and your long-term ambition is to take Taiwan, the one thing you want to do is to continue to draw in America to do exactly the same commitment to Ukraine that it's doing at the moment. | ||
| The last thing you want to see is America disengage, basically, is what I'm saying. | ||
| And what I said to you yesterday by text is I even sketched out what I thought the Russian statement is going to be in response to the Ukrainian offer for a 30-day peacefire. | ||
| And I said basically they're going to be very polite, they're going to be very respectful, but they're going to say no. | ||
| And we're going to read out some of the headlines shortly because I think it was a perfect matchup, my prediction. | ||
| And the reason I predicted this is because it is not in Russia's interest at this stage to agree to a 30-day ceasefire. | ||
| It's not in interest. | ||
| They have all the momentum. | ||
| I saw Vice President Vancey's cousin on CNN a few days ago saying, oh, look, beware of the Russians here. | ||
| They're going to snap at this 30-day agreement because it will give them an opportunity to regroup, rearm and refinance. | ||
| And I said to you, I don't buy it. | ||
| I don't see it. | ||
| They have all the momentum, right? | ||
| All of this war, Steve, bar the Kursk incursion, has taken place on Ukrainian territory. | ||
| Russia is the aggressor. | ||
| It was pushed into this by NATO, but it is the aggressor. | ||
| It has the momentum. | ||
| What this 30-day ceasefire agreement that Ukraine has said it's open to is not a ceasefire agreement, Steve. | ||
| It's a surrender. | ||
| And that is not going to go down. | ||
| And this is the other half of the equation. | ||
| and Jack alluded to it in the first half of this hour, the Europeans are coming along that, and they're supporting, they are ponying up cash. | ||
| They're not going to tax for this, because they know it's not going to go with the European taxpayer, but they're going to borrow in order to fund 800 billion euros worth of defence expenditure. | ||
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So Zelensky does, it's not true, Stephen. | |
| I'll give away, I'll give away. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, keep going. | ||
| I'll give away on this point, right? | ||
| It's not true to say Zelensky doesn't have any cards left. | ||
| It's simply not true. | ||
| The Europeans are stepping up with borrowed cash to keep this war going. | ||
| Okay, stop. | ||
| The only way they have the borrowed cash... | ||
| Every one of those guys are about to either have a sovereign debt crisis or about to have a sovereign debt crisis. | ||
| Ray Dalio told us yesterday... | ||
| He walked through the mechanics of it, but we're heading to a sovereign debt crisis. | ||
| The $800 billion is a fantasy. | ||
| There's no, there's impossible, mathematically impossible for them to borrow that kind of money to have a thing. | ||
| They'll be turfed, their bond on their own existing debt today. | ||
| The refinancing of that, they would collapse. | ||
| The Italian government's close to the sovereign debt crisis, the Spanish government, the Portuguese, the Greeks, the Germans, the French, they've already turfed out Liz's trust. | ||
| Always remember. | ||
| The bond market is taking out more governments than howitzers. | ||
| And right now, the markets are telling, even the United States is why Dalio is getting ahead of us. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| They have ephemeral cards, but it's not reality cards. | ||
| The only reality they have for a financial backer. | ||
| The only thing they have for a military backer with real troops is the United States. | ||
| And the only thing that Russia understands, the only security guarantee that matters is sucking the United States in there. | ||
| and the only financial. | ||
| And this is why I've never been a big fan of the dirt deal, of the rare earths deal. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| All this is doing is entangling the United States in what will be a Vietnam. | ||
| Look how much time it's taken right now. | ||
| Look at the opportunity. | ||
| We have a government shutdown. | ||
| Jake Sherman, who's pretty good, Jake Sherman just tweeted out of what the moderate Democrats, guys like Mark Warner and these guys are saying, that they're not going to vote for this. | ||
| Jake Sherman says, hey, it looks like we're heading to a... | ||
| A government shutdown. | ||
| He just had the Secretary of Treasury walk out of the White House to the sticks, and he says, hey, everybody's talking about the tariffs thing, the potential tariffs, and all these tweets going back and forth. | ||
| He says the reality of impacting the American economy is the Schumer shutdown. | ||
| And so I hear you, and I think that's a good European perspective, but the reality is going to always get back, and this is why the Russians are going to play more and more hardball, and you're going to see... | ||
| The opportunity cost of president, because you only have so much time, right? | ||
| And so it's not just direct cost when you go down an avenue of endeavor. | ||
| It's the opportunity cost. | ||
| By doing this, I can't focus on this. | ||
| By committing resources here, I can't. | ||
| And the World Bank tells us that the reconstruction of Ukraine is $500 billion. | ||
| And as you've said many times in the show, Harnwell, Well, Steve, | ||
| look, you mentioned the key words to America first. | ||
| And I get that I'm probably a lot more isolationist than you are, and you're a lot more isolationist than President Trump is. | ||
| But the point is, and this comes back to something that you've been saying for the last three years, no one has ever made the argument where America's interests are in the current Ukraine war. | ||
| And that's pivotal here, because there are no U.S. interests in Ukraine. | ||
| So an America first perspective on this. | ||
| It's going to be exactly what we've been saying for months and months and months on this show, which is to withdraw and totally disengage the United States from Ukraine and say to the Europeans, if you want to come up and defend Ukraine, defend democracy, have at it, but we're out. | ||
| That is the policy that this program has been pushing constantly. | ||
| And it's also like, Steve, you mentioned the rare earth thing. | ||
| Synthesize what I've been saying just now on the show, and I'm pushing this out on Getter basically every day. | ||
| This rare earth agreement is toxic. | ||
| And in the strongest words possible, I would advise President Trump to have nothing to do with it whatsoever. | ||
| Because this is, in the background, the key to Europe's braggadacho in front of Russia and China here. | ||
| You want to know what the Europeans are doing? | ||
| Look at Poland. | ||
| If you want to see the performative aspect of what the Europeans are doing, look at Poland and Italy. | ||
| Italy has said, look, we're going to raise 40,000 troops, but we're not sending any to Ukraine. | ||
| Poland has said to America today in the last couple of hours, send your nuclear warheads to Poland. | ||
| Let's put them on the border. | ||
| That's the Europeans' approach here, and it's toxic to every America-first interest. | ||
| That is a massive escalation. | ||
| Ben, you're following this. | ||
| Give your social media, because this is going to be a moment-by-moment thing. | ||
| We want to keep the big picture. | ||
| Remember, and we've got to support President Trump on this, but they're trying to suck us in at every step of the way. | ||
| Security guarantee in America essentially underwriting the development. | ||
| The Europeans are broke. | ||
| This is all a fantasy of what they're talking about. | ||
| They don't even pay the 2% they committed for NATO, 2% of GDP. | ||
| None of them are – when you go through and actually look at what they're spending the money for on climate change, on health care, all of it, when I'm talking about combat arms, interoperability maneuvers, NATO right now, ex the British, can't put forward two combat divisions, two combat divisions. | ||
| If you can't do that, you're not serious players. | ||
| That's been the entire deal. | ||
| Ben, social media, where do they go? | ||
| Steve, I'm on Getter, exclusively on Getter. | ||
| My social media handle there is simply my surname, at Harnwell. | ||
| I'll close with this, Steve, coming back to NATO and Georgia Maloney. | ||
| What did she say a couple of days ago? | ||
| She said that Ukraine should be given effectively the NATO security guarantees without being formally a member. | ||
| Italy, 1.5% of its defense commitment. | ||
| Who is she coming out here, this bridge between the U.S. and the U.S.? Who is she basically saying on this, your great ally in Europe? | ||
| It's America. | ||
| It's America. | ||
| She's supposed to be the bridge, the quote-unquote bridge. | ||
| Really, it's Hungary. | ||
| It's Orban. | ||
| Let me be really frank to the Prime Minister of Italy. | ||
| If you propose that, That would be, I think, enough to say the United States should withdraw from NATO. If the NATO nations want to give a security guarantee, a NATO security guarantee with Article 5, that attack brings everybody into a war, the U.S. should say we're out. | ||
| We're out. | ||
| And I'm a supporter of the NATO alliance. | ||
| But hey, if you're going to play games like that... | ||
| And you have not even had the decency to get anywhere near 2% in the Italian military. | ||
| Let's say it's been underfunded for, I don't know, I'm going to pick a random number, 50 years. | ||
| And you're going to sit there and say and put a guarantee that it guarantees American boys and girls in a shooting war in Ukraine? | ||
| No, not going to happen. | ||
| This is the kind of dangerous rhetoric. | ||
| And this is the detached from reality thinking these European leaders have. | ||
| They need to be taught a lesson. | ||
| We bailed the Europeans out, the European elites, in World War I. We bailed them out again in World War II. We bailed them out again in the Cold War. | ||
| And now, you know, they want to totally be bailed out from their activity. | ||
| Right now, it ain't going to happen. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| And right now, we should just stop all of this because it's sucking up too much time and we're not focused on the Schumer shutdown. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
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God bless. | |
| John Solomon, if we can get John Solomon up, he's got an explosive investigative report about Biden and classified information. | ||
| Mike Davis is going to join us. | ||
| Mary Holland on the measles and the CDC director. | ||
| Schumer shut down. | ||
| We're going to go through all of it in the war room. | ||
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We rejoice when there's no more. | |
| Let's take down the CCP. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| Okay, world's on fire. | ||
| A trade war is underway. | ||
| Schumer shutdown's coming. | ||
| There's no peace in Kiev now more than ever. | ||
| We're not interested in the price of gold, which I think is setting a record this morning. | ||
| We're interested in the converging forces that have central banks buying gold at record rates. | ||
| You need to understand that. | ||
| The way you understand the end of the dollar empire, we've done this now for three and a half years, six free installments, the sixth... | ||
| Is modern monetary theory, the idea that broke the world to understand everything about the deficit debate, Ray Dalio. | ||
| Well, I'm so proud. | ||
| We played Dalio's piece the other day. | ||
| Our audience understands it because we've taught you the nomenclature and the process and everything the last couple of years. | ||
| And I know people watching CNBC and had very little idea what he was talking about, business people. | ||
| End of the dollar empire. | ||
| Six free installment. | ||
| Remember, the professor in the finance department at the University of Arkansas is making it mandatory for his college-level finance class. | ||
| And we've made this very accessible. | ||
| Everybody go check it out. | ||
| And then get to Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
| We're not here to sell you a fish. | ||
| We're here to give you people who are going to teach you how to fish. | ||
| And that's what you need to know to understand why gold has been a hedge against times of financial turbulence for 5,000 years. | ||
| Birchgold.com. | ||
| Let's go to John Solomon. | ||
| First off, Solomon, I'm glad I got you on here today because you're now an old man. | ||
| You have wisdom, judgment, and discernment. | ||
| So tell me about Russia. | ||
| I've got heads blowing up that the harder line in the Kremlin has come to say, Putin, we love you, but you're dealing with the Americans and they're running dogs for the Europeans. | ||
| And we don't trust them. | ||
| We don't trust anybody. | ||
| We don't want a peace deal. | ||
| We want to keep bombing Kiev. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| I think that this is just negotiating posture. | ||
| And at the same time that they're doing this, let's remember that Russia and China went to Iran to see if they can get Iran to get some common sense on nuclear. | ||
| That isn't an accident. | ||
| That's part of the four or five-dimensional trust that Donald Trump has set in motion. | ||
| He wants Russia and China to deal with Iran to get a good deal with Russia and China. | ||
| He wants to get a peace deal there. | ||
| There is a lot more going on in this negotiation than is visible to the American public or that the legacy media are doing. | ||
| Legacy media just love to. | ||
| Great conflict for Donald Trump and suggest the world's falling. | ||
| It hasn't fallen for all the time that Donald Trump's been in the presidency. | ||
| There is a very sensitive negotiation. | ||
| It involves Iran, China. | ||
| Russia, Ukraine, maybe some European stuff, nuclear disarmament down the road. | ||
| I think Donald Trump is still in a very strong position. | ||
| The Russians would not be talking to Iran right now if they were going to tell us to go take a hike on Ukraine. | ||
| But it's a negotiation. | ||
| I think Russia would like to get us part of this deal. | ||
| Let's get Ukraine out of our territory and maybe we'll pull back from some of Ukrainian territory to really show a ceasefire is worth doing. | ||
| I think we're just seeing negotiating. | ||
| I don't think there's anything to be panicked about right now. | ||
| Donald Trump knows the art of the deal, and there's a deal still to be had here. | ||
| The Russian Navy with the Chinese Navy, the PLA's Navy, and the Persian Navy all doing exercises in the Gulf of Iran in the North Arabian Sea. | ||
| And for all those that are with us for non-intervention in any type of war in the Middle East regarding Persia, this is part of this negotiation. | ||
| Is any sure can be linked with that? | ||
| The Russians actually said they will help us get a diplomatic... | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| John Solomon, you're also breaking massive news this morning about classified information. | ||
| Joe Biden, Barack Obama. | ||
| Why are we doing this? | ||
| Are you kicking a cripple, John Solomon? | ||
| You kind of have a reputation, D.C., of being a bully, of going after guys and just being relentless. | ||
| Are you reinforcing? | ||
| Why are you picking on Joe Biden? | ||
| He doesn't even know where he is, brother. | ||
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But he did in 2014. Listen, there is something important that the Republican Congress and the Trump administration still needs to do. | ||
| We need a formal damage assessment to understand how much our national security may have been compromised by Biden's lax handling of classified materials. | ||
| We haven't gotten it. | ||
| There's never been an acknowledgement of a, even in congressional hearings when asked, there's no evidence that they've done a damage assessment. | ||
| Think about what we just put into the domain this morning. | ||
| We sued. | ||
| It's been six years to get these darn documents, but we got them. | ||
| Joe Biden was having Situation Room meetings being sent to his insecure iPad on a Gmail account. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It means that China was starting to get, if it was listening in or infiltrating any soft communications, it would know how we organize our Situation Rooms. | ||
| It would have known what time of day and what discussions were being there. | ||
| It gives them a leg up to potentially monitor Situation Room activity for years to come, not just in 2014 when this memo was aired. | ||
| Sensitive conversations with Iraqi diplomats, with foreign diplomats. | ||
| There is a conversation sent to President Biden's insecure iPad and his Gmail account, you know how secure Gmail is, in which they're talking about NSA intercepts in a Latin American country's response to the fact that they found out they were being monitored. | ||
| That is super sensitive, secret stuff that shouldn't be on a private email. | ||
| The Republican Congress, under Mike Johnson, the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, owed the American people an intelligence assessment to find out how much our enemies gained in access to government because of Joe Biden's sloppiness. | ||
| Real quickly, John, before I let you go, NBC News is reporting that President Trump has requested Pete Hegseth over the Defense Department military options. | ||
| About seizing and operating the Panama Canal. | ||
| You know President Trump pretty well. | ||
| You know Pete very well. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| I think the fact that it leaked tells you it's posturing, that it's part of the negotiating, that maybe we want more from Panama than just the fact that we bought those two ports with a company which, by the way, does lean left historically. | ||
| So just because an American company is sort of a left-leaning American company, used to be on the... | ||
| I think he's looking for other options to keep pressure on Panama. | ||
| If it leaks, it means it's meant to come out for the public. | ||
| If it isn't leaked, it means it's something super secret. | ||
| I think it's posturing to get a better deal with Panama. | ||
| Solomon, over the years, you've gained a lot of wisdom, sir. | ||
| Where do people go for your show, John, and where do they go for Just the News, social media, all of it? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| JustinNews.com and Jay Solomon Reports is the handle on all social media. | ||
| And every night I'm lucky enough to follow you right here on Real America's Voice. | ||
| JustinNews, no noise at 6 o'clock. | ||
| And I just want to point out, I'm starting to dress more like Steve Bannon. | ||
| That was my wife's suggestion. | ||
| I lost the tie in the suit today. | ||
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| John Solomon. | ||
| Take care, brother. | ||
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| You too. | ||
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Follow us right here at Real America's Voice. | |
| What John Solomon's saying, always remember, it's information warfare. | ||
| When it leaks from the Pentagon that Trump's looking for military options in Panama, he's sending a signal. | ||
| That's signal, not noise. | ||
| This is a global negotiation right now. | ||
| Donald John Trump is trying to bring peace to the world because it's upon the predicate of peace that prosperity will follow. | ||
| The sunlit uplands are ahead of us in the war room. | ||
| Leave you with the right stuff. | ||
| I think Trump's got it, don't you? | ||
| Short break. |
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