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Feb. 13, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4266: Trump Looks To Bring Peace To Ukraine
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josh hawley
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laura loomer
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steve bannon
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chris hayes
The Russian incursion to bring it back to this phone call.
I mean, it's always striking to me that this one decision by Putin to invade Ukraine is one of those things that one person did that's made everyone worse off.
It's made Russians worse off.
It's made Ukrainians worse off.
Europeans, Americans, everyone's paid the high prices, the enormous misery and death toll.
One decision for territorial expansion.
Incredible fallout.
What does it mean that Trump has this phone call with Putin, talks about how they both agree in common sense, Doesn't seem to loop in Zelensky or even European allies who put out a statement today being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're going to be at the table too.
unidentified
Well, this is his view.
There are two important people when it comes to Europe, to Ukraine.
And one is Donald Trump.
The other one is Vladimir Putin.
I mean, he said about Zelensky, you had it in your opening.
He said about Zelensky, you know, it's not even clear that he will survive through the next election.
We're talking about a peace agreement.
Or a deal that is now going to be negotiated in Saudi Arabia between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump without any Ukrainian presence, let alone Europeans.
No Ukrainian presence.
This is extraordinary.
This reminds me of Neville Chamberlain sitting down with the Germans to decide the future of Czechoslovakia.
Peace in our time in 1938. And now it is Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump who get to decide the future of Ukraine.
That's what this war was about.
Ukraine.
Russia wanted Ukraine.
It wants to subjugate Ukraine.
It wants to control Ukraine.
It wants to make it part of Russia.
And here the President of the United States says he wants peace.
Therefore, he's a wonderful human being.
And I have now invited him to come here, never mind that he was indicted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court, which, by the way, we will sanction just as we start to lift sanctions on Russia.
You know, if it wasn't so serious.
You'd think this was a comedy show.
It's not.
It's deeply tragic.
And it's real.
Well, I don't have any expectations anymore.
I think we know exactly what's going to happen.
President Trump has effectively surrendered to Putin before the negotiations have even begun.
The positions that Defense Secretary Hegseth announced in Brussels, which I'm sure I'd be stunned if Trump didn't convey them directly to Putin in their phone call.
They constitute terms of a settlement that could have been written in the Kremlin.
Maybe they were written in the Kremlin.
And got out in propaganda channels.
But it's a complete reversal of the U.S. and NATO position on a number of issues.
For example, up until today, the official American position was that Ukraine should be returned to full sovereignty and territorial integrity.
That's gone.
The question of NATO membership as far back as 2008 had been that ultimately Ukraine would become a NATO member.
That doesn't look like that's around anymore either.
Putin has scored a whole series of victories.
It's hard to encompass them all.
But I think one, in addition to these substantive concessions, is he has now, it seems, exactly what he wants.
Putin doesn't want to negotiate with Zelensky.
He wants to negotiate with Trump because he thinks he'll get more out of it.
And he's absolutely right.
There's no question of Russia being able to, in the future, for example, invade Poland and the US not standing by those NATO pledges.
The question really is about, you know, what would happen in the future for Ukraine.
Now, I think another notable aspect of it all, and there's been many, many members of the Trump administration in Europe in recent days, the Treasury Secretary meeting with President Zelensky.
How did that conversation go?
steve bannon
I can't take any more of this.
This is...
You're hearing...
You're hearing people have been getting a free ride for decade after decade after decade.
Yesterday, and if we put up the CNN... In fact, Grace, if you've got it, I've got it up on Getter.
I don't know if the team here even has it yet.
Stephen Collinson, who is the smartest guy ever at CNN, wrote their lead piece this morning, which is quite brilliant.
Yesterday was a historic day in the fact of what Pete Hegseth said in Europe and told the Europeans and what Donald Trump said.
The era of Europe as a protectorate of the United States, as a vassal state of the United States, is coming to an end.
We've hammered this with President Trump in the first administration to get NATO to stand up to more of their obligations and responsibilities.
But yesterday, Pete Hex has just dropped the dime and said, hey, European security is no longer number one priority for the United States of America.
The vital national security interests of the United States of America is America.
And these freeloaders, the elite freeloaders in...
Europe are in shock because President Trump dropped the other dime on him.
It's 5% of your GDP if you want to get serious about defending yourself against Russia.
This is why it's all happy talk.
They go on and on about Russia, but they just want the United States to underwrite this.
Underwrite it with men, material, money.
Game's over.
And Zelensky's not relevant.
He couldn't win a re-election.
He's not relevant.
That's why they're not dealing with him.
And Pete Hex has said, hey, you've got to get out of your mind that you're going to get back to pre-2014 borders.
What has been the gospel of war room since the evening before the war?
Oh, by the way, 1.5 million or 1.75 million dead or wounded Ukrainians and Russians ago in a nation that looks like Dresden.
And no, we don't support, I don't like the...
The fact that Zelensky's trying to throw some mineral rights to stick around.
We gotta get out.
Go to Saudi Arabia, make the deal with Putin, and just leave.
And, you know, let Europe deal with it, as they should have dealt with it.
And if you're so concerned that an army that couldn't take Kharkiv in three years, much less Kiev, if you're so concerned about that coming across the North German plane through Poland, then go to 5%.
President Trump's telling you, go to 5% and get more than two combat divisions.
President Trump is completely reorienting the entire thing.
Oh, by the way, Hamas blinked also with the high noon threat.
They're coughing up a couple more prisoners for Saturday, saying they're going to abide by this.
I guess the ceasefire.
President Trump's throwing thunderbolts, and these are massive.
This is a massive geopolitical alliance back to hemispheric defense, from the Arctic to Greenland.
All the way down to the Panama Canal, which we are taking because it's ours.
And we're not going to let some tin pot group of people give it to the Chinese Communist Party.
Who do they think we are?
They think we are still the country run by the Jimmy Carters, the Joe Bidens, the Bush 43s, the Bush 41s.
We're not that country anymore.
The Clintons, we're not that country anymore.
And President Trump shows that.
Laura Loomer joins me.
By the way, Josh Hawley, we just now know Josh Hawley's going to join us at the bottom of the hour.
At 11 o'clock, I think they're going to have the vote on cash.
President Trump's going to be signing a massive amount of reciprocal tariffs today, this whole concept of reciprocity.
It is shaking up the financial world even as we speak.
Modi's there this afternoon.
afternoon we'll cover all of the Modi situation live and obviously the reciprocity these tariffs are going to be kind of a wake-up call for India too because I think India in certain areas has like 60, 70, 80% tariffs on things.
Laura Loomer, your thoughts of Days of Thunder.
Mike Allen and Jim Vanderhay over at Axios have this massive piece about turbo masculinity with Days of Thunder.
What are your thoughts and particularly about President Trump telling Europe it's time to stand on your own.
We're not bailing you out again.
laura loomer
Well, this is exactly what the American people voted for.
They voted for America First policies, and that's what we're getting.
And so it's great to see that we finally have an administration, a president, and also a defense secretary that is putting their foot down and letting the world know that the gig's up.
We're no longer gonna be financing endless wars.
We're no longer gonna be financing endless aid for every single nation around the world while we put American citizens on the back burner.
And so I think that finally the American people People finally have some true representation in the White House.
And I think that it's re-energizing the American people, the MAGA base.
And it's refreshing.
I don't see how anybody in this country, regardless of your political affiliation, whether you're a Republican, Independent, or Democrat, can have a problem with the way that President Trump and his entire cabinet, all of his cabinet members are in alignment to implement at rapid-fire pace legislation and policies via executive order.
And mandates to start putting the American people and our national security first.
steve bannon
What do you think of how important today Cash comes up for his committee of jurisdiction, the judiciary?
We've got, I think the Bobby Kennedy vote will be sometime later.
I think we're looking at what time the Bobby Kennedy vote.
They're trying to delay that as long as possible.
They're taking huge victories in this.
How important was it to get all these, and Tulsi, not as Tulsi confirmed, she's sworn in, I think she's on a plane over to the Munich Security Conference.
How important was it to get all of these cabinet officials through, ma'am?
laura loomer
Well, it's incredibly important.
And one of the main reasons why the Democrats oppose President Trump is because they need to import voters.
And that's why they are slow walking the nomination of Kash Patel.
Because we've seen, and that's why they wanted to slow walk the nomination of Pete Hegseth as well.
Because President Trump promised during the campaign trail that he was going to militarize our border.
And that unlike the Biden administration, he was going to utilize his FBI director and the Borders Art and the DHS secretary to work as a team.
To keep America safe and to close our borders.
And so what's the last cog that they need in order to fully implement our secure border policies of the Trump administration?
Well, it's a competent FBI director that is actually going to crack down on all of these Islamic jihadis crossing over into our country.
It's a competent FBI director who can work hand in hand with Tom Homan and Kristi Noem over at THS to say, okay, well, here's some individuals on the terror watch list.
Let's work together to keep them out of our country.
We saw that we had massive amounts of Islamic terrorists and individuals on the terror watch list who came in under the Biden administration.
A willingness to allow them into our country.
Christopher Wray certainly wasn't doing anything while he was testifying in front of Congress, proclaiming that white male Christians and Trump supporters were a bigger terror threat than Islamic jihadists and Antifa and the Black Lives Matter thugs when he was testifying in front of Congress, Stephen.
So it's gonna be very important.
This is why the Senate Judiciary Committee has been slow walking Kash Patel's nomination and why they called for him to have another hearing.
Why they are trying to accuse him of committing perjury and lying in his sworn testimony and why they are accusing him of being an extremist.
I mean, look, they even went as far as to show a life-size poster of me and Kash Patel at an innocent book signing at an event for villagers for Trump when I ran for Congress.
So they really have nothing.
This is their final assault in their effort to keep our borders open and to prevent President Trump and his border SAR from implementing strong border policy.
steve bannon
Laura, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on right before the cash vote, when they stretched it out for a week and they were going to have all this stuff on cash, his financial documents he submitted and his testimony at the confirmation.
They'd already tried to do government gangsters.
That didn't work.
The very first thing, I think the very first thing they put up was a picture of you and Kash Patel, and they gave no context to it.
What was the point?
In their mind, what were they trying to do?
laura loomer
Well, you had Dick Durbin, of course, who's the ranking member, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, get a photograph of me and Kash Patel that we took, I think it was in 2022 or 2023, at a book signing for Villagers for Trump.
As you know, I ran for Congress in the Villages several years ago.
It's the largest and also the oldest retirement community in the country, a very pro-Trump area.
And as a member of the board of Villagers for Trump, I helped facilitate events for We're pro-Trump mag speakers.
And Kash Patel came and during the VIP ceremony, he brought his book and he gave me a copy.
I gave him a copy of mine.
They were trying to say that I'm an extremist.
They accused me, a Jewish woman, of being an anti-Semite and said that Kash Patel was unqualified to be FBI director because he took a photo with Jewish Nazi Laura Loomer.
steve bannon
How can you be, before we go to break, how can you be an anti-Semite?
And you're also accused of being anti-Muslim also, aren't you?
laura loomer
Yeah, they accuse me of being everything.
They say that I'm a racist.
They call me anti-Indian for speaking out about H-1B visas.
They say I'm anti-Muslim.
I'm anti-Islamic jihad.
And so if advocating for strong border security and advocating for putting Americans first and advocating for cracking down on the spread of Islam in America and the rise of Sharia and Islamofascism in the West makes me a bigot, then so be it.
Then I guess I'm a bigot.
steve bannon
Laura, hang around.
We're taking a short break.
We're going to get more into this in detail.
Cash Patel's vote comes up, I think, at 11. President Trump's going to be signing tons of tariffs today.
Reciprocity on tariffs.
Brilliant concept.
President Trump and Peter Navarro come up.
Our own Peter Navarro.
They've been working around the clock on this.
Birchgold.com.
Gold's at 2944. It's not about the price of gold.
It's about the process of what is in back of gold as a store of value in times of turbulence.
Birchgold.com slash Bannon at the end of the dollar empire or Bannon at 9-8-9-8-9-8.
Investing in gold in the age of Trump.
Short break.
ralph norman
That was uncovered.
They went to Vietnam for unknown reasons.
The condoms that were delivered to foreign countries with millions.
The $20 million on Sesame Street that went to Iraq.
I could go on, list after list after list.
It's up to $54.3 billion where we sit right now.
This is just the first agency.
And we've got many more to come, like Social Security.
We have many more to come, like the Department of Education.
The American people are going to see where their tax dollars have been spent.
And I invite all my colleagues on my left who want to protest the dollars that have been known to go out, to not back in their pocket, to foreign countries, to foreign leaders, and who knows where.
It is such a pleasure to finally see the $4.5 million to combat disinformation $1.5 million for art for inclusion of people.
$2 million for sex change operations and LGBT activism in Guatemala.
$5 million to Echo Health Alliance, which is one of the key NGOs funding bat viruses at the Wuhan lab.
Get this, $20 million for a group related to a key player in the Russian gate impeachment hoax.
Get this, 1.1 million to an Armenian LGBT group.
1.3 million to Arab and Jewish photographers.
How does that work?
Folks, this is undisputable.
And just think, we're just getting started.
There is a reason.
Donald Trump has a 69% approval rating.
And the golden age is here.
One of the greatest things about what we're doing today is giving Americans tax cuts.
It's their money.
And the amazing thing about this, the left still doesn't realize it's not their money.
It's the taxpayers' money.
And it's going to be exposed for this type of abuse, this type of fraud, and this kind of waste.
So it's a new day in America.
And Jody, under your leadership, thank you for bringing this up.
We're going to fight, and I tell you.
I hope we sit here all day today, and if it takes all weekend, let's sit here.
Let's do it.
So, thank you, and I yield back.
I think the gentleman from South Carolina...
steve bannon
We're going to be coming in and out.
That's the budget markup.
I'll still be blunt.
That's Ralph Norman, and I heard some nice happy talk there, and Ralph is supposedly a cutter.
I've gone through at least the first cut of this math, which I still don't totally understand.
I don't see it.
And I don't see where the doge cuts come into here.
Now, Ralph Norman just said they're going to come in, so Moskovitz, what Moskovitz said in the well of the house the other day is exactly what War Room's saying.
How can you have doge and doing these cuts and at the same time be improving this budget?
This budget, I think at the end of the day, gets you $50 trillion of debt at the end of two years, $52 trillion.
So somebody's got to explain to me where these real cuts are.
And you're not going to find this all in waste, fraud, and abuse, although we've been guaranteed a trillion dollars.
You can't approve things today because here's what Johnson, the hills got it up.
The game's up.
Johnson came out this morning and said, oh, we're going back and forth.
On the 14th of March, they're going to do a one-year CR. They'll take it down to 30 September, as we told you they weren't.
So they convinced President Trump to kick it 90 days in so it would be his budget.
On 14 March, it's going to be Biden's budget.
Biden's numbers, a $2 trillion deficit, and not one penny in cuts from Doge.
This is why we said you had to merge the process.
So we'll see.
We're going to be on the budget committee.
I'm not feeling it.
And it's not enough visibility on the tax cuts.
The tax cut for the Social Security has to be in there.
It has to be in there for the middle class and working class.
And to hell with the big donors.
To hell with the top 1%.
The $4 trillion tax cut, that $3 trillion at the top, hey, unless you can close the gap, it's got to come from somewhere.
External tariffs, you know, corporate taxes, cut budget.
I'm all for it.
Just cut it first.
You want to cut it down?
Do we have no deficit?
Fine.
You don't have to raise taxes.
Don't do that.
Somebody's got to bridge the gap.
I think you're getting a lot of double talk.
Ralph Norman.
He's a good man, and he's a budget guy, but I want to talk about it.
You're sitting there, when you say $50 million here and $50 million, yes, it's outrageous.
It should have been taken care of.
It wasn't.
It was protected by Republicans for decades and decades and decades, and Democrats did it.
But that ain't going to close a $2 trillion deficit, just not.
You've got to cross the frickin' Potomac, Brother Norman, and you in South Carolina and Tennessee in the South, Mississippi and Alabama.
You've got all these defense contractors down there.
Everybody's making money.
But somebody's got to understand, we can't afford it anymore.
We're telling Europe we're not going to do it.
Told Ukraine we're not going to do it.
We're not doing it anymore.
So let's see it manifest itself in the budget.
If the Europeans or other people want to buy it, let them buy it.
But it can't be financed by the U.S. taxpayer.
Laura Loomer.
Today, it all comes together.
You've got the tax cut.
They've got a whole special committee.
We'll be going in and out on USAID. This is a whole big new revelation.
Whereas, Darren Beattie, you, Raheem Kassam, Jack Posobiec, for years have been talking about this.
Tell me about where we stand with this, because we're still going to have a $2 trillion budget.
They were still funding this stuff all over the world, ma'am.
laura loomer
Well, absolutely.
And I agree with you completely, Steve, when you said, is this all theatrics?
Look, I think it's really great that Elon Musk is using his celebrity and his position as the richest man in the world and as kind of this co-president as people now view him as being.
I mean, it's hard to really deny that he's not a co-president when he's giving these press conferences in the White Houses with his son next to President Trump in a very domineering fashion.
But I will say that we need to see more action, as you just said.
From these lawmakers to make more substantial cuts instead of just pushing out these soundbites on Fox News or pushing out screenshots from the work and the exposés of independent journalists like those you just mentioned.
Because it's becoming very meme-like in my opinion.
And we've seen that oftentimes, especially Speaker Johnson, he likes to kind of use President Trump and he likes to use Elon Musk and other individuals with I'm
hoping that despite all of the energy and all of the memes and all of All of the, I guess, media outrage and sensationalism that is coming along with all of these exposes with Doge, we actually get some real accountability.
steve bannon
Laura, as usual, you nailed something.
This is my whole point.
The rubber meets the road in what you pass and what you spend.
It's cash in, cash out.
When you say it's meme-like...
You've been somebody that drives narrative.
You're somebody that sets a predicate for narrative and drives narrative because we're in an information war, a narrative war, right?
Narrative conflict.
But when you say it's meme-like and kind of implying not real, what do you mean by that?
What does Laura Loomer mean by that?
laura loomer
What I mean by it being meme-like is obviously, you know, Elon Musk...
And I will say that I think that it's a good thing that Elon Musk is uncovering so much fraud, waste, and abuse.
But because Elon Musk himself and Doge as an entity has become such a lightning rod, given the fact that it's Elon and several unvetted Many would say teenagers who are now occupying space in White House facilities with clearances to review highly sensitive information.
The focus has really been on Elon Musk and kind of the hysteria around Doge itself.
And so you see the media focusing on things like, Elon Musk just changed his name to Harry Balls.
One of the guys on Doge goes by the name Big Balls.
He made racist comments about Indians.
And so people are getting very caught up in the memes that are being pushed out from Doge.
Things like beware of Doge, right?
I see a lot of these images almost like beware of dog, a sign that you would have on your own front door in your own residence.
The popularity of X continues to grow.
And as lawmakers continue to compete for President Trump's attention and money from Elon Musk and also attention from Elon Musk in the form of retweets, people are getting distracted by this meme-like energy that is not just emitting from the Oval Office in these press conferences with President Trump and Elon, but also in the way that Elon and these lawmakers are now interacting because of his very large financial contribution to Republicans.
And as a result- People are not really paying attention to what you just mentioned,
Stephen, that, okay, well, we can talk about all of these cuts, but, you know, it's not really in the budget and it's not really going to make up for the bulk of this budget because people are so consumed by the entertainment factor that comes along with Doge and these press conferences in the Oval Office with Trump and Elon Musk.
steve bannon
You have to make sure it's not a misdirection play.
On the 14th of March, and Johnson gave up the game today.
I told you it's a four-year CR with Biden's numbers and Trump's first year.
It's Biden's budget, $2 trillion deficit already baked in, and not one penny of doge.
All the stuff they're doing is cut out.
In fact, we're financing it for another year.
It's absurd.
Laura, we've got to bounce.
Senator Hawley up next.
Laura, where do people go to follow you in the narrative war that you're always in the front tank on, ma'am?
laura loomer
Well, thank you, Steve.
Yes, my team and I over at Loomer Unleashed, we're gonna be confronting senators today all throughout these confirmation hearings.
So be sure that you're following me on X at Laura Loomer and also on X at Loomer Unleashed so that you can see these videos of our confrontations with Senate Democrats as they try to obstruct President Trump's nominees.
And then you can follow me on Substack at lauraloomer.substack.com.
You can subscribe.
And my show on Rumble every Tuesday and Thursday, rumble.com slash lauraloomer.
steve bannon
What time is the show, Laura?
laura loomer
My show is every Tuesday and Thursday at 9 p.m.
Eastern, live on Rumble.
So tonight, you can tune in tonight.
steve bannon
We will turn in tonight.
We'll watch it.
Laura Loomer, warrior extraordinaire, ma'am.
Fierce.
One thing about Loomer, courage is the most important of all virtues because it is upon courage that all the other virtues rest.
Short commercial break.
Back in a moment, Senator Josh Hawley.
The oligarchs versus the people next in the world.
unidentified
Okay.
You got it.
steve bannon
See this headline right here?
unidentified
Trump causes constitutional crisis.
steve bannon
Trump causes constitutional crisis.
Showdown emerges of the limits of his power.
Let me be blunt.
And this is a lesson here.
The existential threat to President Trump's administration is not in federal court.
What President Trump is doing is constitutional.
The appellate courts will say that.
The Supreme Court will say that.
The existential threat to President Trump's administration, and I mean Doge, Elon Musk, Secretary of Treasury Besant, Russ Vogt, Stephen Miller, all of his people, the existential threat is right here in this city.
It is the queen of lawfare.
It's Letitia James.
Right now, Soros has a DA that's running unopposed.
He can call a grand jury at any time.
He can set up criminal charges on the most bogus efforts.
Letitia James runs this deal.
She's got a pliant media right here, pliant left-wing media.
She's got a jury pool of only left-wing radicals in the Upper West Side of this city.
And she's got the judges.
She's got all of it.
Hang on, I'm calling on right now the Attorney General, Pam Bonney, to begin an immediate criminal investigation into Letitia James, Alvin Bragg, all of what they did to President Trump.
President Trump, on his true social day, laid it out once again.
The existential threat to his administration.
Is this queen of lawfare, Letitia James, and how she has absolutely total control.
And Doge and Elon Musk and Scott Besson and all of them ought to be worried about this out-of-control city.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Are you calling on investigation to brag because it's your case?
We're here today because we have filed charges against the state of New York.
We have filed charges against Kathy Hochul.
pam bondi
We have filed charges against Letitia James and Mark Schroeder, who is with DMV. This is a new DOJ, and we are taking steps to protect Americans, American citizens, and angel moms, like the mom standing right behind me, who you're going to hear from in a moment.
New York has chosen to prioritize illegal aliens over American citizens.
unidentified
It stops.
It stops today.
steve bannon
Leticia James and Bragg and that source-backed group, they got the closed system up there with the press, with the corrupt judges.
This is the state level, not the feds.
And as I said outside the courtroom, in the federal system, they're going to have Trump's back.
The judge already rolled on.
The buyout offers, and whatever they don't roll on these radical activist federal judges, it's going to be, you've got to expedite it to the appellate level, and then if you don't win there, go on the emergency docket at the Supreme Court.
We're going to win the federal court.
They're not going to be able to stop what Trump's doing in the federal court.
Where they're going to try to stop him is New York City, Manhattan.
If in the ship of state, if Washington, D.C. is the bridge, the engine room's New York.
Every commercial transaction goes through.
All trade transactions go through.
All the financial transactions.
The real operation of Treasury and the Fed are in New York City, largest trading desk in the world.
And guess what?
Alvin Bragg and Leticia James are right there.
And Pam Bondi put one across their bow yesterday on Sanctuary Cities.
There's going to be more across the bow.
You have to take this head-on, or this is going to be a problem.
Do we have Senator Hawley?
Do we have a call open for Senator Hawley?
Let's go and play the clip.
Let's open with Senator Hawley and then we'll roll.
josh hawley
Is there any reason to think that the concern over the concentration in tech in particular and its effect on personal liberty would be diminished in any way in the age of AI? So we're still in the very early stages of AI, as you know.
unidentified
It's a nascent technology, a nascent industry.
And so I wouldn't want to make that call just yet, frankly, Senator.
But I think there are commentators who do see...
The emergence of highly concentrated markets in parts of the AI technology stack.
josh hawley
Well, I can tell you, I'm extremely concerned about it.
I'm extremely concerned about what the emergence of AI and monopoly power in AI will mean for American consumers.
Senator Blumenthal and I worked together the last two years on our subcommittee here as part of the Judiciary Committee, hearing from people like Sam Altman.
And what we discovered is, in issue after issue, whether it is the ability of parents to protect their children's personal information, virtually impossible in the age of AI when these companies are scooping up every piece of data.
And there's nothing a parent can do to stop it.
Whether it is the creation of deep fake pornography, where people are able to use the technology to go get someone's picture off of the internet, a child's picture from Facebook, and then use it to create pornographic images.
Nothing that a parent can do to stop it.
Nothing that a victim can do to stop it.
Nothing that virtually any of us can do to protect our personal data at all.
And where is this power concentrated?
It's in the very few hands of the people who control AI. And sometimes we hear stories about how AI is going to redound to the benefit of workers.
I hope that's true, but who it's redounding to the benefit of right now, for sure, is the major technology companies, the monopolists.
What is it that antitrust enforcement can do when it comes to unwinding concentration to protect personal liberty?
unidentified
As I discussed with Senator Lee, I think one important outcome it can lead to is it can deflect the need for regulation.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley, she's not giving you great answers.
You've been a defender of people's personal liberty, but now we're in a jam.
The oligarchs have failed to deliver, and now they're telling us, they're coming back and saying, oh...
You know, sorry it didn't work out.
You know, maybe China's stolen the march on us.
We need a $500 billion to a $1 trillion bailout from American taxpayers, people making $35,000 a year.
The hardworking citizens in Missouri, they don't have any options, no warrants, no participation.
They're coming back and saying, Senator Hawley, you know, we didn't quite pull this off.
As powerful as we are, as much benefits you've given us, we need a $1 trillion bailout now to compete against the Japanese.
Your thoughts, sir?
josh hawley
Outrageous.
I think it's totally outrageous.
And you just put your finger on it, Steve.
I mean, what they're doing is, these tech companies and AI in particular, how does it run?
It runs on our personal information.
It runs on our stuff.
So they're going out and they're taking information from workers.
They're taking the personal data of every parent, of every child in America.
And if you want to try to protect it, you can't because the monopolists have all of the power.
And I know what they're going to do with it.
They're going to use it to take away our jobs next.
They're already using it to create chatbots that tell our kids how to commit suicide.
They're using it to sell drugs to our kids online.
And if anybody questions that, it's like, oh, too bad because you can't sue them.
Congress has given the power to these companies so that they cannot be sued, they cannot be challenged in court, and now they're saying we need, yeah, another $500 billion, trillion from the federal government, taxpayer money, who knows what, in order to catch up to China.
And Steve, you and I have talked about this before.
They said to us earlier, if you'll just give us all these protections, then we'll create the greatest technology in the world and we'll be number one.
That hasn't happened.
Now China is outpacing us and now they want more, more, more.
I have to tell you, I am really concerned about this, and I think we've got to hold these monopolists, these companies accountable.
We cannot let these robber barons control our government, control our economy.
It's dangerous.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley, I want you to describe to people the lonely fight because they've got this city locked up.
The imperial capital is locked up, you know, and they're business partners.
Talk to people about the lobbyists, the pressure, the communication, and what happens in the cloakroom when your senator is saying, you know, Senator Hawley, you're right, Josh, you're right, but I can't go there.
How lonely is this fight, and how long are the odds?
josh hawley
Nobody has more money than big tech, Steve, and nobody has more money than big tech and AI. Can I just say something about the AI companies and the tech companies?
It's all the same people.
You know, we hear this story told to us, oh, AI is going to be great because it's going to allow the little guy to get a leg up.
Well, not so far.
Because so far, who controls AI are all the same cast of characters.
It's Mark Zuckerberg.
It's the Google CEO. It's the Microsoft CEO. It's all the same people.
They're the ones who are leading AI. They're the ones who are controlling AI. And they spend more money on lobbyists, Steve, than anybody else in America.
They spend more money trying to control Capitol Hill.
I've said before, you ought to just put a sign up on the door of the United States Senate that says, Property of Big Tech.
Because they own this building where I'm sitting right now.
They own it.
They have bought it.
They have paid for it.
And nothing crosses the Senate floor that they don't approve of, at least when it comes to tech.
They have veto power.
We've got to take that away from them.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley, hang on for a second.
Hang on.
They had their Damascene moment.
It was about 10 or 11 o'clock Eastern Standard Time when Pennsylvania fell on the 5th of November.
They've converted.
Aren't they MAGA? I saw them at the inauguration.
They're all genuflecting.
Aren't they really on our team now, sir?
josh hawley
Yeah, that's what they want us to believe, Steve.
And so what they're telling us now is, hey, look over here.
Don't mind the man behind the curtain.
Don't look at that.
Look over here.
We're really for you.
We've been with you all along.
That's what they're telling MAGA voters now.
We were really with you.
It was just the nasty Biden administration.
They were so mean to us.
Otherwise, we would have been with you.
Steve, you and I both know, number one, that's not true.
Number two...
They still have all the power.
They still control all the information.
They can still control the flow of news.
If they want to turn on the censorship machine tomorrow, they can do it because they still have the power.
And AI is going to give these same people even more power.
The Zuckerbergs, the Googles, the Microsofts, even more power.
And that's why, Steve, I come back to, we've got to have a power revolution here.
It's got to go from these robber barons to the American people.
We need to transfer power from these powerful monopolists to the American people.
If we don't do that as conservatives, as populists, then we've really failed.
steve bannon
Senator, the longest journey starts with the first step.
What is your first step?
What's your recommendation, and where do people go to join your cause here, sir?
josh hawley
Well, I think the first thing we ought to do is we need to give everyday Americans, individual Americans, the power to get into court to sue these people.
Right now, if they come after you, let's say that there's a chatbot that tells your child how to commit suicide, and this has happened, by the way.
If that happens, your kid is harmed, God forbid.
You as a parent, what can you do?
Nothing.
You know, I've talked to parents, Steve, who had kids who they had fentanyl sold to them on Snapchat.
To take one example, they went and met with the CEOs of Snapchat.
And do you know what the CEO told them?
They said, well...
You can't sue us.
So, sorry, you're out of luck.
Steve, we've got to change that.
We have got to give working people the power to get into court and protect their rights against these monopolists.
It's a tale as old as time.
If you give working people the power to protect their own rights, they'll do it.
But right now, they have no power.
So, step number one is open the courthouse doors and give individual Americans the right to sue these big companies.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley, where do people follow you and where do they go to find out more about this fight?
Because you are a lonely figure up there right now, sir.
josh hawley
You know, you can follow me, Holly Moe, on X and the same on Instagram and Facebook and all across social media.
And listen, we need every voice.
We need people saying that it's time to take the power from the tech companies and give it to the people.
And don't be deceived by what these guys are now saying.
Oh, we're for President Trump.
Yeah, right.
They weren't for Trump just three months ago.
They won't be in three months from now if it suits their interests.
They're what's good for them.
The real test will be, are they willing to give power?
Are they willing to allow us to protect our kids, to protect our personal information, to protect our jobs?
That's how we know that there's been real change.
And Steve, we've got to fight for that inch by inch.
steve bannon
Senator, you've got two great books, one on masculinity, the other on the fight against big tech.
Where do people go to get your books?
josh hawley
You can go to anywhere books are sold.
You can go to Amazon.
You can go to any of your bookstores online and get them.
And really, those things are connected, Steve, because here's the deal.
Big tech, what they want to do is, what they've been doing, is taking away power from working people.
And next it's going to be our jobs.
And it's going to be the jobs of working people whose jobs get automated, whose jobs get taken away by massive data processing centers.
So all of the men out there, these working class men who have been pummeled and pummeled and pummeled by this economy, big tech is coming for you next.
We have got to stop this.
We have got to protect our jobs and our families.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley, you're a patriot and a hero.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you for standing up for working class people in the United States Senate.
Very rare.
Thank you, sir.
Josh Hawley of Missouri.
Missouri would be very proud of that man.
He stands in the breach when it's not popular to stand in the breach.
And that shows courage.
Short break.
unidentified
There you go.
steve bannon
Okay, what you're seeing right there, this is the vote for RFK, right?
To get RFK over the hurdle, let him get into the cabinet.
The reason this is so important is Maha and MAGA. This is the hard well.
The Make America Healthy Again meets the Make America Great Again.
Okay, Stephen K. Bannon here.
Wild morning.
We're going to go in and out.
Every day now in the White House with a day of thunder, so much is happening.
President Trump has another bilat.
Remember, bilat's when a dignitary or headed government comes to meet with the president of the West Wing.
It is Modi today, Modi of India, one of my favorite, a hardcore nationalist.
Now, the president is signing approximately 1 o'clock, and Brian Glenn of Real America's Voice will be there.
They'll figure out whether they'll do it live, and we'll cover it, or...
What they do is normally, because of how crowded it is in there, they normally tape it and then put up immediately.
So either way, I think we'll be there.
At least have a camera there.
President Trump has been known just to go and give these amazing riffs, which have been quite incredible.
But he's signing something that Peter Navarro has worked on with President Trump for a long time, reciprocity of tariffs.
It's quite simple.
Trump says, hey, look, I don't want to go through some big calculation of what we should do.
If somebody's putting a 20% tariff on us, we're going to put a 20% tariff on them.
If you look through and see the real math in Europe or in India or anywhere, 40 or 50%, then so be it.
It is what it is.
And he's adamant about this.
He sees the external revenue service.
He sees what these tariffs are bringing, not even tariffs, this kind of looking at the United States as its premier market.
Like you would buy a skybox at a sporting event or a front row ticket at a concert.
It's a premium price.
That revenue can eventually start coming in and closing the deficit.
It's another revenue stream.
And we need help.
We're going to dip in and out of this budget.
I just don't know the point of the exercise.
To be blunt.
And I've done this in my professional career, so it's not like...
I may not know all the arcane nature of how the federal budget is done, although I think I do.
But you've got to get down to something quite basic and simple because they try to hide behind the arcane nature of the process and how obscure they make the process and how difficult it is to pierce.
It's very simple.
Just look at the national debt.
It keeps rising because we've got to borrow this because there's not enough cash coming in.
There's not enough revenue coming in.
Besson and President Trump have this growth strategy, which I support, a supply-side tax cut.
I support that.
I think it's good.
I think it's smart.
Does it get to 5% growth?
No, it does not.
One of the reasons it doesn't get to 5% growth is you have this massive overhang of debt and a crowding out when you're paying, I don't know, $1.4 trillion a year in interest expense.
These are just hard realities.
We need you on the ramparts.
Kennedy now, you got Kash Patel coming up.
Folks, they said of these last three, none of them would get through, particularly Tulsi.
Tulsi Gabbard's on a plane heading to the Munich Security Conference as Director of National Intelligence.
That's your win.
President Trump would not blink.
You had his back.
That's your win.
Robert F. Kennedy today, when he comes in as HHS, your win.
Kash Patel, when he moves forward, your win.
What did Josh Hawley just say?
There's nothing more powerful than the righteous indignation and power of the American people.
Full stop.
That's what you're seeing here because President Trump is a man in full dropping thunderbolts every day because he has the American people have his back and he knows that.
That's why he's just getting rolling.
Is Steve Stern up?
We cannot forget the work that we've got ahead of us.
It must get done.
This is why we're victorious.
Remember the story you just come on and Biden's doing this and what are we going to do in these little marginal things you kind of drew?
Now, totally in charge.
Full spectrum dominance.
Axios today says it.
Masculine energy.
Masculine dominance.
Days of thunder.
But we have much work ahead of us to make sure that we lock this down and we govern for 50 years.
Steve Stern, what do you guys got up to today?
unidentified
So we have a big election security call coming in today.
We expect about 8 million views.
Hang on, Steve.
steve bannon
Steve, Steve, hang on.
Why are we doing election security?
We won.
It's all over.
Get the party hats out.
Why are you guys beating a dead horse?
We won.
We've got all the election security we need, don't we?
Any time to go party and play golf, play tennis today?
unidentified
Well, we've got an election coming up in two years.
If we don't win the House, we're going to be in deep you-know-what.
So we're working on this.
The last election, when Trump won, I got many, many texts and emails for all the people that come on.
And from Susie Wiles, she said, thanks for all you're doing.
That's so important.
So today, at 150, the largest election security meeting that we've ever held, we got Dr. Douglas Frank, who many people know.
He goes all over the country telling you how to take people off the voter rolls.
And he has a new program he's working on.
Now, this past Saturday, we had eight hours on TV for Tina Peters.
We got to get her out of jail.
So today we're going to be talking about that with Nate Kane and with Joe Hoff.
They're going to be talking about Tina.
We're also going to talk about Arizona, the corruption that we have.
Marissa Hamilton's going to come on.
We're talking about Turning Point, Adriana Sixtro with all the coalitions.
We're going to have Mark Cook on there.
He's going to talk about progressive reform.
We're going to have Catherine Inglebret on.
You see, we have all the top people coming on.
Greg Stenstrom is going to be talking about all the lawsuits he has.
If you think we won this last election, we lost a lot of down-ballot people, and we don't want to do that again.
steve stern
We're also going to have precinct strategy on there because people are going to sleep.
unidentified
In Broward County, which I'm the vice chair, we just picked up 25 new members.
We got 23 people elected for the Republican Party in a blue county.
So you see how important this is for us to get on there.
We're going to have John Goodman on.
He's going to be talking about mail-in ballots.
He's going on all X talking about this.
We're getting a lot of people involved that never got involved before.
We're going to have Colonel Timothy Schindler on talking about fraud in Pennsylvania, along with Greg Stenstrom, who has an election lawsuit up.
In the Supreme Court.
So there's a lot going on.
It's very important.
We don't want people not to do precinct strategy.
You know, Dan Schultz is doing this with you.
So very important.
steve bannon
Steve, we got to bounce.
Where do they go?
I want everybody to tune into this.
What time and where do they go?
unidentified
150 sstern1054 at gmail.com.
You can see it live on Stern American Rumble.
Thank you very much for having me.
Action, action, action.
You know, at 83 years old, we need younger people to get involved.
And so let's get these people involved and let's stop talking about sitting on the couch.
steve bannon
You talk about the right stuff.
Steve Stern's got it.
It's an interesting time, 1.50.
I dig that.
Short break, back in the second hour.
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