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Feb. 4, 2025 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4243: RFK And MAHA Win Committee Vote

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unidentified		On this panel had, yet many of them are starting to fall in line.
		You saw Susan Collins yesterday say that she planned to vote yes.
		James Langford, who initially was a yes vote, but then was among the senators raising serious concerns about the way she answered questions related to Edward Snowden, said yesterday, confirmed definitively that he will vote yes for her as well.
		Young is the only one on the Intelligence Committee who has yet to say which way he plans to vote.
		And he received a great deal of online scrutiny, particularly from Elon Musk.
		Musk was, of course, Donald Trump's right-hand man right now in the White House.
		Then Musk signaled on his platform X that he and Young had spoken and that things were resolved.
		No one said anything about how that impacted Tulsi Gabbard's vote, and Young has continued to say that he is still trying to figure out if he's a yes or a no.
		If Young votes no in committee, that's likely enough to kill Gabbard's vote as well.
		But Jonathan, I think the important point here is if past practice is any indication about this young, new Congress and their relationship with Donald Trump, they will likely fall in line.
		I think that we should be very surprised if we see either Cassidy or Young stray away from this vote and vote no, and especially...
		Be the person, the one individual that takes the brunt of what will likely be an enormous amount of backlash from the MAGA community if they are the ones to vote no.
		So I'd be very surprised if either of these nominees at least don't make it until the next stage and that full-floor vote.
		But there will be a lot to watch here today.
		And one other last point I'll make about this, Jonathan.
		Bill Cassidy up for re-election in Louisiana.
		If he were to vote no, he would likely face a very stiff challenge from the MAGA world.
		And keep in mind, he may face...
		That challenge anyway, given the fact that he voted to impeach Donald Trump during his last term.
		So there's a lot at play here today, and it's going to tell us a lot about the future of these nominees and also the future of this Republican Congress and if they have any plans to stand up to Donald Trump in the near future.
		Yeah, there'd be safety in numbers, but being that one lone no vote that makes a difference is very, very challenging.
		And I'll say Trump officials I've spoken to in recent days feel very bullish.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		You send these nominations to the Senate, and the Article III project will work with Bannon's war room, and we will get these people confirmed.
		And we have.
		We did that with Pete Hexeth.
		We lit up the Senate.
		When people went to article3project.org and take action, we've had a hundred...
		I'd have to get the latest numbers from Mark Lucas.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		She just gave us the overall numbers and what Natalie said from the White House.
		We collectively melted down the Senate's phone line, everything.
		They can't take anymore.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		It's the most they've ever had.
		We've had 160,000 phone calls and emails going into home state senators.
		Not just Steve Bannon calling up Macy Hirono from Hawaii, calling your home state senators, which is the most effective thing you can do.
		We have melted down the Senate.
		So they have gone from dead on arrival to, oh, make this stop after about three days of the war room blowing up the Senate switchboard.
		So it's going very well.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Pray for our enemies.
unidentified		Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
		The people have had a belly full of it.
		I know you don't like hearing that.
		I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
		It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified		MAGA media.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified		War Room.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Tuesday, 4 February, Year of the Lord, 2025.
		Welcome to the War Room.
		Okay, it's another work day.
		We've got USAID. We're actually going to get Ben Burquam's out on ice raids.
		He's going to stop what he's doing to join us, I think, in Newark, New Jersey, another sanctuary city.
		Ben's going to step out of our ice raid and join us.
		We're going to have Larry Taughton.
		We've had Larry on many times over the years.
		Talk about USAID and their direct involvement in the invasion of the United States.
		So we want to get that out.
		Poso's here.
		China's come back.
		China's not happy.
		President Trump laid a 10% tariff on them, and they're coming back.
		They're going to do antitrust.
		They're doing this with Google, doing other things.
		Big tariffs on a blowback.
		We're going to get all that work through.
		POSA's going to be on here.
		Also, BB's at the White House today.
		First visitor.
		They're going to talk the strategy of the Middle East.
		President Trump's trying to shut down two wars simultaneously.
		We'll talk more about Ukraine when Post was up, too.
		Zelensky's sticking by the fact he only got $77 billion.
		We sent $250 billion.
		He said only $178 billion.
		Actually, theoretically, they can even see where we're trying to send it, but only $77 billion came to him.
		Something's missing.
		But the first work is 10 o'clock, Bobby Kennedy.
		The committee, I think, is actually meeting.
		If this gets to be real, we will kick into live coverage of that.
		We know how much you love that.
		Tulsi Gabbard said, too, we are at the 11th, you know, we're at the 59th minute of the 11th hour here.
		Two minutes to midnight on this.
		Right now it's Cassidy on Bobby and Todd Young of Indiana.
		I don't know, man.
		You know these guys.
		It's like Mike Turner.
		You get these yahoos on these intelligence committee, and the intelligence committee sucks them in and tells them they're James Bond, and next thing you know is...
		Is that on?
		Okay.
		Don't have it feeding back my ears.
		I can't hear my lovely voice.
		They get to be absolutely awful.
		So Todd Young is one of those guys.
		We've lit him up for the last couple of days.
		202-224-3121 is the number.
		Get your last licks in on this thing.
		You heard Mike Davis last night.
		Hundreds of thousands of calls between Article 3 Project and War Room.
		Just you guys going over the top and then War Room Bill Blaster.
		So there's three avenues of The vote on Bobby Kennedy's this morning.
		Remember, why is this important?
		Bobby Kennedy is the instrument.
		That in his Department of Health and Human Services is the instrument that we kind of merge, we weld together the MAGA movement and the Make America Healthy Again movement.
		You saw what happened in 2024 and 5 November.
		We have worked on this for years.
		This is why we got Naomi Wolf.
		Remember when Naomi Wolf first came on the show back in 2021?
		You hated her.
		Oh my God, the hate.
		Oh my God, she's a feminist.
		She's a liberal.
	She's a progressive.
	Yeah, she was all those things.
	She was.
	But this is the red pill of the moms of America, the Moms for Liberty.
	Those moms that saw what was being taught to their kids in school, the moms all of a sudden had a great awakening.
	And Nicole Shanahan, I think I'm on her show today, Nicole Shanahan was a fire breather, make America healthy again.
	And they've exposed the entire racket of the food industry.
	Right?
	And the racket of big agriculture.
	And the racket of big pharma.
	You watch MSNBC like we do.
	We deconstruct this all the time.
	You watch MSNBC, 80% of the ads, they have two types of ads.
	They have ads for the most bizarre drugs you've ever seen in your life.
	I mean, it's the sickest audience I've ever seen.
	Last night I saw one that topped it.
	It's for people that are depressed, but it's a booster for your depression pills.
	Not kidding.
	They're depressed and they need to uplift.
	It's safe for your depression pills.
	I'm not picking on people that are depressed.
	I know people are out there depressed, and you're particularly depressed if you're watching MSNBC and you're a progressive.
	I got that.
	But it's just everything.
	So Big Pharma basically supports, and Bobby Kennedy has committed to us.
	One of the first things he's going to do is get Big Pharma.
	They don't do it in England.
	They don't do it in Europe.
	They don't let these pharmaceutical companies come in and do basic advertising on political channels.
	Shouldn't be able to do it because it's part of their political agenda.
	Bobby Kennedy promised that.
	Bobby Kennedy, for all his flaws, and he's a very imperfect instrument, as we all are.
	I think we're running the tables here on imperfect instruments.
	It's Bobby Kennedy's imperfection that makes his work even better, I think.
	Just like President Trump, Pete Hexeth, Stephen K. Bannon, Tucker Carlson, all of us.
	And today, we need Bobby Kennedy.
	Dr. Cassian, folks in Louisiana, we had the Surgeon General of Louisiana on here today, and he is full MAGA. And he said flat out, make no mistake about it, the people in Louisiana.
	They want to make America healthy again.
	They want Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	Now you might ask, why is the Finance Committee voting on this?
	Why is the Health and Human Services Committee not voting on it?
	That's a very good question.
	The answer is, there's so much cash that flows through this system, cash money, that they make the Finance Committee kind of oversee it.
	Health and Human Services, the Committee of Jurisdiction.
	This kind of dual reporting, but the vote goes on the Finance Committee.
	This is what Elon's trying to do.
	As you know, Elon Musk and I have some differences of opinion.
	We also have some things that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
	And the big league enemy of each other, when you're talking about big topics, could be very friendly.
	You know, the clans can unite for a while.
	They used to do this in Scotland all the time.
	You can unite to keep, you know, was it Edward I? From burning York, from sieging York, and then turn around the next day and be at it fighting each other.
	It works.
	I'm Irish.
	I'm Celtic.
	It happens all the time.
	Hell, that's the way the British kept us divided for so many centuries.
	2-0-2-2-2-4-3-1-2-1.
	Elon Musk with his engineering mind.
	Here's what's going on.
	The memo you saw come out last week from O&B. It's two parts of this story, and the media doesn't quite get it because they're not engineers.
	Elon Musk is going in first.
	Remember, we need big cuts.
	We need a trillion dollars, Elon, and we need it like next week.
	Just identify it.
	You don't have to make the cuts.
	President Trump and the House are going to make the cuts, okay?
	But we need identification.
	In his mind, and this is how an engineer works, like the first thing that you do on a Navy ship when you show up, you're just a...
	An ensign.
	You have no earthly idea.
	You basically learn the pointy part of the ship goes forward and the stern is where, you know, is in the back.
	The fantail's in the back.
	That's about all you know.
	What they tell you to do, you get a notebook and you line diagram the entire ship.
	You walk around, you start with like the engines and the, you know, you line diagram the weapon systems, the communication system.
	The engineer is very laborious.
	The damage control systems.
	You just take a pen and you just do it.
	And then in your mind, you have a mental map.
	You have a mental map.
	All of a sudden, the ship as a system starts to make sense.
	Remember Wellington?
	Don't we talk about Wellington?
	What do we do on the show that you're so far ahead and you're such a hammer?
	You're such a hammer so far ahead.
	As soon as they start talking something good, we'll go to it.
	Let's go live to the committee here and I will come back with my contextualization of all of this in a moment.
unidentified		We will proceed with statements, and I will proceed first, then Senator Wyden, and then we will rotate from one side to the other until we are at a point where we are prepared for the vote.
		Does that fit with you, Senator Wyden?
		Yes, sir.
		Mr. Kennedy, if confirmed, will have the opportunity to deliver much-needed change to our nation's health care system.
		He has spent his career fighting to end America's chronic illness epidemic and has been a leading advocate for health care transparency both for patients and for taxpayers.
		Mr. Kennedy has also clearly responded to our questions during the rigorous due diligence process in his hearing also and in the course of answering over 900 questions for the record that were asked by members of this committee.
		In response to members of the committee, Mr. Kennedy has even amended his ethics agreement going beyond what is required by the government office of ethics.
		Mr. Kennedy has proven his commitment to the role of secretary of the HHS, and I will vote in favor of his nomination.
		I strongly encourage my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to do the same.
		And with that, I recognize our ranking member, Senator Wyden, for his remarks.
		Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
		I'll have a brief statement, and then several of my colleagues on our side are also going to make brief statements.
		This morning, we're going to vote on Robert Kennedy's nomination to serve.
		Kennedy's nomination to serve as our nation's chief healthcare officer.
		Before we get to Mr. Kennedy...
		And why I believe he is singularly unfit to serve as HHS Secretary, I'd like to say this.
		The last several days we've witnessed an authoritarian takeover of our federal government by Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
		They have set their sights on a full purge of anyone in government that doesn't bend the knee and follow their orders.
		They've taken over the Treasury Department's payment system.
		And colleagues, that has a direct effect on major programs within our committee's jurisdiction that include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
		For example, this committee voted for a major reform of pharmacy benefit manager legislation.
		We passed it 26 to nothing, but Trump and Musk killed it.
		Think what they could do with abuse of the payment system.
		Now, in my view, much of this is of dubious legality and constitutional authority and certainly flies in face of congressional responsibilities.
		I'll wrap up on this point by saying I hope our colleagues on the other side of the aisle Will not sit by while Musk and Trump make a mockery of the power Republicans hold in their congressional majority.
		Now more than ever, the American people need leaders that will stand up to these abuses.
		That brings me to Mr. Kennedy.
		A recent analysis showed that Mr. Kennedy has made 114 separate appearances In just the last four years, where he has espoused anti-vaccine views or spread information about the efficacy of vaccines, misinformation specifically.
		In 36 of those instances, Mr. Kennedy directly linked vaccines to autism.
		Last week, Mr. Kennedy was given ample authority on a bipartisan basis.
		to recant his decades-long career peddling anti-vaccine conspiracies.
		Instead, he spent his time with us dodging and weaving and gave no indication that if confirmed as HHS secretary, he would stand by the long-settled science surrounding routine vaccinations.
		Just take the Samoa measles outbreak as an example.
		Mr. Kennedy told me, and I quote, We don't know what was killing them.
		Speaking about the 83 measles deaths during an outbreak of the disease in 2019. Just yesterday, colleagues, the Director General of Health from Samoa called this claim a total fabrication.
		Peddling these conspiracy theories as the nation's chief health officer is going to be deadly for kids across the country.
		On abortion, Mr. Kennedy's answers once again raised still more questions.
		He refused to tell us whether he would blindly follow a directive from Donald Trump to break the law and end access to Mifepristone.
		And he seemed to have no understanding of his role in enforcing existing federal laws that guarantee women the right to life-saving abortion care.
		Mr. Kennedy also failed.
		On several occasions, to show a basic understanding of the Medicare and Medicaid programs he would be tasked with overseeing.
		Colleagues, that alone should be disqualifying.
		Mr. Kennedy has given us no reason to believe there will be anything other than a rubber stamp for plans to gut Medicaid and rip health care away from the American people and be a yes-man if ordered by Musk or Trump to take an illegal action.
		I close with this, colleagues.
		Today we're going to make a judgment about the future of science in this country.
		We're going to make decisions that are going to impact the health and well-being of Americans for years to come.
		I agree, and I say this to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, that the health care status quo needs substantial changes so we get better, more affordable care to patients.
		And that leaves, given my statement, the question in front of us now that's pretty simple.
		Do senators want their legacy to include disregarding basic health science and instead elevate conspiracy theorists?
		Making Robert Kennedy Secretary of Health and Human Services, in my view, colleagues, would be a grave threat to the health of the American people.
		And I urge my colleagues this morning to vote no.
		So we had everybody here.
		Can I ask that we do the vote now and then do the comment?
		Why don't you do the two or three on each and then we go to the vote.
		Can I go?
		Yeah, we're going to do it.
		So Senator Wyden, we have all of our members here.
		Senator Wyden and I have agreed that we will have two or three on each side who wanted to make statements and do so before the vote.
		So please, everyone, hold with us while we have those statements made.
		And then we will proceed to the vote.
		I know we've got a lot of folks pushing on science.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's what we're running on here.
		The MAHA and the MAGA moment come together.
		Let's go back to the committee, hear what they have to say.
		I'll jump in if it starts to bore me.
		How about at that?
		Let's go ahead.
unidentified		We're under the impression after we talked that we would have two or three, and I'm happy for both sides to make brief remarks, and I'd still like to stay with that.
		I did make that commitment, and so...
		I could say to my colleagues on my side, I would appreciate it if you would hold your remarks until after the vote.
		We will let a couple on your side have their remarks, and then we will proceed to the vote.
		Great.
		Thank you.
		And who would be next?
		Senator Cantwell.
		Senator Cantwell.
		Mr. Chairman, thank you.
		I didn't, you know, when you said two or three people, I didn't know who you had in mind, but being next in seniority, I appreciate the opportunity.
		Today is very concerning to me.
		Because of the future of what I think our nation faces.
		When I think of this issue, I think of my Pacific Northwest leadership, how Paul Allen, on his own, invested $100 million to fight Ebola.
		I think of Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation, not just trying to eradicate polio and work on these issues.
		But to think of a regime that helps not just our nation's health, but global health.
		So with the UW, the University of Washington, the Cancer Research Center, all of these entities are a collaboration of saying we have to go faster in solving these threats to our nation as it relates to health.
		Now, we can have a big discussion, which I think you guys all want to have a big discussion about whether and when what happened in the Wuhan province.
		But I can tell you, we were the first city.
		We had the first patient.
		We had the first people who died in nursing homes.
		We had an emergency room at a hospital who basically was just begging for any equipment we could get them.
		The whole community.
		Stood up and moved as fast as we possibly could and broke down barriers to save lives.
		And that is what we have to continue to do on innovation.
		We cannot let another country get ahead of us on some sort of warfare issue and not have a response when it comes to a vaccine.
		The most challenging...
		I wanted to vote for Mr. Kennedy in the context of my family's history.
		My dad stood behind his father the night his father gave the famous speech.
		I told him in my office, in my family, the Kennedys stood up.
		But when he answered Senator Cassidy's question...
		And he couldn't even give him the answer that, yes, the data is there to support vaccines today.
		I don't need any more data.
		All of a sudden, I saw this world that we got affected by in Seattle not being stood up for.
		I need someone at HHS who is going to say we're going to be a leader.
		In medical, technology, science, vaccines, we are going to fight foreign powers, we are going to be there to provide global health, and I don't want to recalcitrant.
		I need a leader, and that is why I'm voting no.
		Thank you.
		Senator Wyden and I have agreed that Senator Warnock will now speak.
		Following Senator Warnock, we will proceed to the vote, and then anyone else who wants to make remarks will be allowed to make remarks.
		Senator Warnock.
		Thank you so very much, Mr. Chairman.
		At a rally a few months ago, Donald Trump said that he was going to allow Mr. Robert Kennedy to, quote, go wild on health.
		Go wild.
		Of all the things that I can think of that I'd like to see a Secretary of Health and Human Services do, go wild is not on the list.
		Mr. Robert Kennedy is manifestly unqualified for the job he seeks.
		And in both my live and written questions for the record, he failed to commit to protecting access to affordable health care, failed to commit to protecting the people who are protecting us.
		The problem that the CDC has is that every day these noble civil servants and workers protect us from dangers that we don't see.
		And often you don't get credit for protecting people from things that they don't see.
		I simply do not trust him to oversee the CDC. He's unqualified, and I dare say everybody here knows it.
		We need a serious person at the helm of the HHS. An agency responsible for the health of about half of all Americans.
		Mr. Kennedy appears more obsessed.
		In chasing conspiracy theories, then chasing solutions to lower health care costs for working families in Georgia and to make sure that we are protected.
		The last thing we need is a dilettante dabbling in conspiracy theories at HHS. I cannot vote for a nominee who is not going to lower health care costs for Georgians, who is going to undermine basic science in public health.
		Who puts his own interests above the health and the well-being of others, for the health and well-being of all of our families, the people who count on us, to think about them in these rooms of power.
		I urge all of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to look past politics and think of country and to find the moral courage to do what's right.
		Oppose this nomination.
		Thank you, Senator Warnock.
		We now have not only a quorum, but all members of the committee are present.
		I move that the committee favorably report the nomination of the Honorable Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of California to be Secretary of Health and Human Services.
		Is there a second?
		Second.
		There is a second.
		The clerk will call the roll.
	Mr. Grassley.
	Aye.
	Mr. Grassley, aye.
	Mr. Cornyn.
	Aye.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Cornyn, aye.
unidentified		Mr. Thune.
		Aye.
		Mr. Thune, aye.
		Mr. Scott.
		Aye.
		Mr. Scott, aye.
		Mr. Cassidy.
		Aye.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Cassidy, aye.
unidentified		Mr. Lankford.
		Aye.
		Mr. Lankford, aye.
		Mr. Daines.
		Aye.
		Mr. Daines, aye.
		Mr. Young.
		Aye.
		Mr. Barasso.
		Aye.
		Mr. Barasso, aye.
		Mr. Johnson.
		Aye.
		Mr. Johnson, aye.
		Mr. Tillis.
		Aye.
		Mr. Tillis, aye.
		Mrs. Blackburn.
		Aye.
		Mrs. Blackburn, aye.
		Mr. Marshall.
		Aye.
		Mr. Marshall, aye.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Wyden.
unidentified		No.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Wyden, no.
unidentified		Ms. Cantwell.
		No.
		Ms. Cantwell, no.
		Mr. Bennett.
		No.
		Mr. Bennett, no.
		Mr. Warner.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Mr. Warner, no.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Whitehouse.
unidentified		No.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Whitehouse, no.
unidentified		Ms. Hassan.
		Ms. Hassan, no.
		Ms. Cortez Masto?
		No.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Ms. Warren?
unidentified		No.
		Ms. Warren, no.
		Mr. Sanders?
		No.
		Mr. Sanders, no.
		Ms. Smith?
		No.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Ms. Smith, no.
unidentified		Mr. Lujan?
		No.
		Mr. Lujan, no.
		Mr. Warnock?
		No.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Warnock, no.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Welch?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Mr. Welch, no.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Chairman?
unidentified		Aye.
mike davis ▲ ● ▼		Chairman votes aye.
unidentified		Mr. Chairman, the final tally is 14 ayes, 13 nays.
unidentified		Mr. Chairman, the final tally is 14 ayes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Good work.
		We're in posse.
		Chalk went up.
		That was tough.
		That was hard.
		Senator Cassidy of Louisiana.
		Now, it helps, folks.
		He's in cycle.
		He doesn't want a primary challenge.
		That is historic right there.
		The committee just voted to approve 1413 along party lines Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
		So, of the three...
		The trifecta that we get to get across, Bobby Kennedy is now voted out of committee, and I think with our whip count, you know, it may be tight, but we always got J.D. in reserve, J.D. Vance, the Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate, if we need it.
		But right now, just a historic, historic vote right there.
		And folks, that was because of you and Mike, is Article 3. It was the War and Posse, both direct calls of the 202-224-3121 and also using Bill Blaster, Grace Chung and the Bill Blaster team.
		And in addition, the Make America Healthy Again movement, they did an amazing job.
		Children's Health Defense, all of it.
		So take a lap right there.
		Victory.
		Very tough.
		And this is another one.
		As Mike Davis said last night, for those who didn't watch the 6 o'clock hour, the fourth hour.
		We're trying to get people coming back.
		We spent the day at the White House or at the agencies to try to come in studio and summarize what's working on.
		Mike had been at the White House all day and had been working on confirmations.
		Mike's a specialist in confirmation on judges, but he's also become, in this current cycle, he is doing murder boards for tons of these candidates.
		I think he'll be working on the entire Justice Department.
		He murder boarded Russ Vogt.
		He was the murder board on Kash Patel.
		He is very involved.
		As you remember, he was the guy with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh.
		Gorsuch was not hard.
		Kavanaugh was, I shouldn't say not hard.
		They're all hard, but his was relatively easy.
		Kavanaugh's was a tractor pull.
		Mike Davis, in the breach, did not blink.
		And that's the reason Kavanaugh's on the Supreme Court.
		Because trust me, there was a...
		That unforgiving minute, like Pete Hexeth, remember about a month ago on that Thursday, when we started the 5 o'clock show, we had to jump up on it.
		You guys did it.
		Pete Hexeth's at the border with the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps.
		What's he doing?
		Securing the border.
		And that's because of this group.
		You just dug in there and said, no way, we want Pete Hexeth.
		Governor Santa's a fine guy, but we want Pete Hexeth.
		President Trump wants him, and we want him, and we got him.
		Same with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I cannot tell you, folks, the great effort and work that you have done here, using your agency, because this is one, remember what Mike Davis said last night, all these things are dead, and they're all dead in the water, and these people are all dead, and they're all washed up on the beach where they ain't washed up on the beach.
		The reason Kennedy's so important, the reason HHS is so important, this is the fusion, this is the merger.
		Of the MAGA movement and the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is a rising tide, of these particularly moms that are sitting there going, hey, we want the Agriculture Department.
		We want HHS. We want to make America healthy again.
		We're tired of these diseases.
		We're tired of all this.
		We're tired of these drugs.
		We don't need to be on these drugs all the time.
		It's ridiculous.
		What we need to do is be healthy.
		And they're at the tip of the spear, and Bobby Kennedy's at the tip of the spear.
		So everybody...
		Over the Kennedy shop that we've been working with for the last couple of months, and they're an amazing, amazing, amazing team.
		Chief of Staff over there, of course, Stephanie Spears, all of it.
		Naomi Wolf behind the scenes.
		Mary, the president of Children's Health Defense, we've had on so many times.
		Just fantastic, fantastic work.
	Can't speak highly enough about Children's Health Defense.
	Remember, at one time, they were considered a bunch of wingnut fringe element.
	They're not considered now wingnut fringe element.
	Their head is now on the path to be Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	And let me bring up another point.
	No matter how much you kowtow these Democrats, it's full resistance.
	I want to go back to the opening of Wyden.
	Wyden's opening had nothing to do with Bobby Kennedy.
	It's all about President Trump and Elon Musk.
	And let me refer back to Elon for a minute.
	And back to the analogy of the Navy ship.
	As a young officer, you line out the ship because then you see how the system works.
	A ship as a combatant.
	A combatant works as a system.
	You must understand the system to maximize the benefit of the system, but also if things come, like in combat, and the system has disruptions, you know how to work around those disruptions to keep it fighting.
	This is what Elon Musk, and also remember, Wellington, what do we teach here all the time?
	What did General Wellington do with his young officers in the Peninsula Campaign?
	He's in Spain and Portugal.
	They're in a land they've never been in before.
	A lot of these guys came and served with him in India.
	He would bring them up alongside him and say, hey, bring the next lieutenant up to ride alongside him.
	He said, tell me what's on the other side of the hill.
	And the guy would go, I don't know, more hill?
	Going down a hill?
	A downslope?
	He goes, no, no, no.
	I want you to tell me specifically what's on the other side of the hill.
	And he would train these people.
	Train them.
	Just don't look at what's around you.
	You've got to be projected downrange.
	In life, how many people do you know that can't get it together enough to think of what process is, to kind of think what's happening and how this all comes together?
	That's what separates you in the war room.
	That's what separates the show is to think downrange, to think over the other side of the hill, to think about the ship that you've wired diagram.
	How does it work as a system?
	And in the system, what are the weak points?
	Where do we know the point of attack is on the system to disrupt it, particularly when we've been in the minority for so long?
	What Elon Musk is doing, he's seeing his engineering brain come into work.
	What he first wanted to do, this is, I think, in back of the first, there was two parts to this.
	First was the memo of OMB to say, okay, in this vast system, what cash is in the system that hasn't been spent?
	Versus what the approved appropriations was.
	Appropriations is $6.5 trillion roughly.
	We're working on last year's budget because we haven't passed a budget.
	It's still a CR. We're kicking a can down the road.
	But OMB manages that and kind of watches it as far as percentages.
	He wanted to see how accurate it was but also where the cash is and what's the blow-up we had last week.
	The blow-up last week is very simple.
	The cash is everywhere.
	The cash is everywhere.
	The guys were at Durrell playing golf and listening to President Trump and thinking great thoughts about the budget, which they refused to cut.
	But they found out that, hey, the money's in Head Start, the money's in Meals on Wheels, the money's at the Kiwanis Club.
	It's all over.
	It's at these hospitals, community hospitals.
	It's everywhere.
	In every congressional district, in a lot of MAGA districts.
	And their phones were blowing up.
	So it's a good exercise to have.
	They also found out it might not be as accurate as they thought it was.
	Another good test.
	He's testing a system.
	Russ Fulton, those guys are testing a system.
	The progressives' heads blew up because they said, finally, somebody's underneath the hood of the car.
	And they're seeing how this thing works.
	Right?
	And these guys just want to spend and fire and forget.
	It's all spent.
	You can't do anything.
	President Trump's theory of the case.
	Goes back to, and the reason the memo came out, President Trump is signing executive orders.
	We're talking about every day, days of thunder.
	We're talking about EO to pull us out of the World Health Organization.
	We're talking about an EO to stop the Green News scam.
	You talk about an EO that cuts this off or stops this or stops this.
	And President Trump would then pick up his favorite papers, which would be the Wall Street Journal, right?
	He'd pick up the Wall Street Journal.
	He would pick up the Financial Times of London.
	He'd pick up his real favorite, the New York Times.
	And on the front page of these every day, it's, hey!
	Trump is signing these things, but they're meaningless.
	Remember the headline?
	We put up the Financial Times last week.
	The headline there was the $300 billion has already been spent through the system.
	That's driving President Trump nuts.
	He's going, hey, I'm signing these EOs.
	What are they telling me?
	This money's already spent.
	The theory of impoundment.
	Understand this.
	Write that down with the number two pencil.
	This is about the unified theory of the executive.
	Ideas have consequences.
	We're starting at big ideas and we're flowing it through the system.
	The unitary theory of the executive is that he's the chief executive of the United States government.
	He is the commander-in-chief of the Uniformed Military Services.
	He is the chief magistrate and the chief legal, chief defender, legal officer of the United States government.
	Law enforcement officer.
	That hasn't happened since Nixon.
	They're apoplectic.
	As chief executive officer, he can make executive decisions.
	The theory of the case is the appropriations bill, which is statutory in a law, and we fight over those all the time.
	In fact, we've got Eli Crane sent me some footage.
	It's amazing.
	Eli Crane, in the middle of the night, I think a summer ago or two summers ago, sitting there arguing to the appropriations committee or subcommittee about, guess what?
	USAID. And he and Matt Gaetz are hammering it.
	And they're telling me about how illegal it is and what they're doing and how they're funny.
	It's got to be shut down.
	The Republicans voted him down.
	Less than 50% of the Republicans had his back and had Matt Gaetz's back.
	And I love Cernovich.
	Cernovich is sitting there going, the House Freedom Caucus tried for years USAID and they didn't do anything.
	Mike, this is about the Republican establishment.
	What Elon Musk has put on notice is not the House Freedom Caucus.
	Eli Cranston's guys want to do it.
	They haven't had the votes.
	The votes are the establishment.
	That's the ones you see dead quiet.
	And the reason is they don't want Elon Musk coming and drop a $10 million dime on their head in their district that they can never get out of.
	So Elon Musk is sitting there, and that's USAID. But let's go back to the line diagram.
	President Trump wants to see where the cash is.
	He wants to do impoundment.
	He's saying, hey, the appropriations bill says what the ceiling is.
	I, as executive with my powers, my Article 2 powers, as the chief executive of this apparatus called the federal government, I can make executive decisions.
	And that executive decision is that, guess what?
	The Green News scam is not working.
	There's $300 billion.
	I'm going to go grab that money because I'm going to impound it.
	And guess what?
	I'm going to reallocate it to, I don't know, maybe getting 12 million illegal aliens out of the country.
	Hey, just saying.
	Or as a chief executive officer, he could make other decisions.
	That's his theory of the case.
	These ideas are big.
	I think a couple of three of them may actually end up at the Supreme Court, okay?
	I think a lot of these ideas are going to have to be argued out, go into court, and eventually see.
	But President Trump's got a pretty good track record on that.
	You go back to the first on the travel ban.
	We sat in the travel ban and we had a...
	I told him, the Supreme Court will back us up all the way through the system.
	President Trump didn't want to back off Iraq.
	Iraq was in the first one.
	We did a second because of Madison, these guys.
	And President Trump goes, I don't like this.
	We're going to win with the first one, but I'll do it because my generals want to do it.
	Did the second one, went to the Supreme Court.
	Guess what?
	No, no, President Trump is correct.
	That's what you're seeing here.
	Now, Elon takes it one step further.
	He goes, hey...
	I see in the diagram maybe the forward part of the ship where we can monitor this.
	I know where the cash is, but that's not actually controlling the cash.
	It just controls part of it.
	I want to go back to the railhead of this.
	I want to see where it goes from actually being a 15,000-page document like these appropriations bills are, how that actually flows through the system, to what department, and who cuts the checks.
	How does the check get cut?
	Because Office of Management and Budget clearly is a management.
	And Doge is part of that.
	They're a consultant to that.
	They're an advisor to that.
	I want to see actually how it gets, the checks get cut.
	That leads us to the Treasury Department.
	The Treasury Department then goes back and that's why he has a team over there.
	And what are they doing?
	They're lining out right now and doing a line diagram right now on all of it and seeing where the thing comes over, the budget, the appropriations bill comes over with the allocation of cash from the Treasury.
	And remember, the Treasury's got to also, since...
	We only take in, I don't know, $4.5 trillion.
	It all goes to the Treasury, right?
	And you're spending $6.5 trillion.
	There's a gap.
	There's Mr. Deficit.
	Remember Mr. Deficit?
	Okay, Mr. Deficit is in finance by Treasury selling bonds and their money-printing partner, the Federal Reserve, the money-printing partner, the fiat currency.
	So this is how it works.
	And he's doing a massive diagram, and they're actually finding in the system some issues.
	I think he's saying some of this is on autopay.
	They've autopayed some, and there's some organizations or institutions that are not signed off in the appropriation, maybe even gone away.
	When he's spending $6 trillion, that stuff's going to happen.
	And that's why he wants to rewire it.
	Now, his theory of the case is in seeing this, he will see where massive inefficiencies are, massive overlaps are.
	And we've always kind of dismissed waste, fraud, and abuse here.
	We know it's a lot.
	But it doesn't get to the trillion dollars or the two trillion that you've got to cut here.
	But he's going to bat it.
	This is how an engineer thinks.
	This is how Thomas Edison, and he's the modern-day Edison, let's say.
	This is how Thomas Edison would come through and say, if we're going to restructure this, he keeps talking about the digital side.
	One, I just want to see how the system works.
	It's no different than a young officer in a Navy ship.
	It's no different than the war room posse.
	Remember what we say all the time?
	We're going to show you critical path, right, process, statics and dynamics of process, you know, where the inflection points are, where the angle of attack is.
	This is why you're so much more sophisticated than virtually all these people on Capitol Hill because you've studied this.
	You've studied this in the war room.
	And he's doing a quick tutorial.
	Now, as it comes through, some of the first things he sees are, surprise, exactly what?
	The Warren Posse's been looking at because for the last four years, five years, we've had people on like Mike Benz.
	We had a young investigative reporter like Natalie Winters.
	We had Darren Beattie on all the time, right?
	We have Jack Posobiec and Raheem Kassam.
	You have Revolver News.
	You have Cain at Citizens Free Press putting these stories up.
	You are ten times more sophisticated.
	I know you're sitting there going, man, come on, I got a bib overall.
	No, you don't.
	Come on.
	You're more sophisticated with a more sophisticated understanding than virtually all the media.
	Because all the media, the ones on TV are all like movie stars and TV stars.
	They're not there for their brains.
	They're there for their style and their looks.
	The laboring ores of the press, some are very good and some get it done.
	But that's the exception, not the rule.
	That's the exception, not the rule.
	Because this city does not reward...
	Real reporting.
	The city does not reward, the media does not reward, they reward the over-the-top, Trump's a fascist, right?
	Over-the-top, Elon Musk and Steve Bannon are at war with each other.
	Or they go to the horse race.
	If they're going to the horse race in a presidential campaign or they're doing this kind of palace intrigue and who's in and who's out on the court and what's that, that's the lazy way.
	It's easy.
	The story kind of writes itself, right?
	And this is what they do.
	They don't get in back of the underlying processes.
	They don't get in back of the convergence of these forces.
	They've totally missed.
	They've still missed one of the biggest, most important stories ever, not just the rise of populism, which they're too arrogant to really get in back of in detail, although some are running to it now because I think they get a book deal.
	What they've missed is the theory of the case of have we won 2024 and Elon Musk.
	Quite frankly, I say, to his credit, he came in and backed that.
	Because there's always countervailing forces around Trump.
	And President Trump, you've seen President Trump, we say, in beast mode right now, right?
	This is days of thunder.
	And he's dropping bombs, whether it's trade, geoeconomics, Greenland, Panama, the border, DEI. You just go on and on.
	I can name 25 things that we're not even talking about now.
	They're all big.
	Because he's in beast mode every day.
	Bang, bang, bang.
	It's not just flood the zone.
	He sees he's crushing the opposition.
	They're on MSNBC yammering, right?
	And at the Daily Show last night, Jon Stewart took on Chuck Schumer, which I'm sitting there going, why are they?
	It's great for us.
	They roll Schumer out.
unidentified		And he's going, we're not going to fall for Bannon's flood the zone.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're focused.
		Yeah.
		Okay?
		And he's sitting there going, they've got to shut down Schumer.
		It's so bad.
		Because there is no opposition right now.
		There's just not.
		They're trying to get opposition.
		Jamie Raskin, they ran over for this pathetic outside of USAID because why?
		The engineering mind of Elon Musk said, hey, this is a no, this USAID, it's not a ton of money in the grand scheme.
		It's 50 bay in a year, so it's meaningful.
		But more importantly, it's poison.
		It's a CIA cutout.
		We've got Larry Taunton and the great Ben Burquam.
		We're going to get up in a moment and talk about this, right?
		This is what's been funding the Daring Gap.
		And Elon went to it, his team went to it, and he talked to the president.
		And President Trump says, run by a bunch of lunatics.
		This thing has been a pool of cash for radical Democrats, the deep state, the administrative state, to turn against Americans, to turn against Americans, all the suppression of information, of conservative voices.
		Mike Benz.
		Came on last night, did a magnificent job, as Mike Benz always does, walking through while USAID has to be shut down immediately.
		I know Elon and those guys have been on his Twitter feed all the time, right?
		And Benz, last night Elon put up our conversation with Benz and put it up on his site because he understands, Benz understands it.
		Elon and these guys, and guess what they did?
		They locked the administrative state and deep state guys out of the building.
		600. They say you don't need to show up.
		Work from home, since all the federal employees do it, just work from home.
		I think they cut actual access to some of the numbers.
		I think they cut them off.
		Hard cut them off.
		And yesterday they had a protest.
		It was kind of sad.
		Jamie Raskin and the team out there.
		And look, I'm not supportive of everything Elon wants to do.
		I'm particularly a little concerned about the data, but I think that'll all get worked out.
		What I like is hammer blows are coming to the right places.
		Now, my issue...
		Is how do we get to a trillion dollars now off that?
		This is the question before us.
		We have to turn that and scale it.
		Because at this level, it's not going to be meaningful.
		Unless the line diagrams got deep secrets in it.
		Which could be.
unidentified		Short break.
		Other picks like Gabbard that have been controversial.
		Will they all get through?
		I think the betting at this point is that Trump runs the table.
		Now, obviously anything can happen.
		We shouldn't make predictions, but he does not look like he is going to lose any of these nominees as controversial as they might be.
		And again, it doesn't mean the Republicans are necessarily all comfortable with it, but they have fallen in line.
		They recognize the political reality.
		The political reality is right now is Trump's Washington.
		He's getting his way.
		If they were to stand up to him, they would pay a price, and very few of them are willing to do that.
		You know, what's most striking about these nominees, particularly the ones we're talking about, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, Pete Hankseth, these are people who are being put in place of agencies and departments.
		Specifically, that they have, in fact, criticized deeply whose very foundations in some ways they would like to blow up or at least dismantle, revamp, what have you.
		And so this is going to be the start, not the end, of a rather extraordinary experiment in effect in government, which we're putting people in place who don't believe in the departments and agencies that they are running, believe that they need to be completely uprooted and transformed.
		Some people think that would be for the best, but a lot of people are worried in Washington right now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Todd Young, another newsflash.
		Todd Young has just announced he's going to vote for Tulsi Gabbard.
		Tulsi Gabbard will be approved by the Intelligence Committee this afternoon.
		She will go to the floor.
		She'll be approved for the United States Senate.
		I mean, we're going to have to, you know, it ain't over till it's over.
		But man, oh man.
		You heard Peter Baker.
		You think that hurt Peter Baker?
		You know Peter Baker.
		He's got that scrunched up face.
		That's the very officious New York Times.
		The paper of record of your beloved republic telling you the way things are.
		Hey, the way things are right now, they're not happy.
		Plus, we're going to have cut in a few minutes.
		Harry Enten, the great poll server of CNN, says he sums up his current polling.
		Trump is winning on his cabinet picks.
		Folks, don't lean on your muskets here, but man, and your fixed band are fantastic.
		Cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot say enough.
		Right there he laid it out.
		Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, Cash Patel, Bobby Kennedy.
		All looks like they're going to get approved.
		And I'm just saying...
		If we hadn't blinked and hadn't gotten wobbly on Matt Gaetz, Matt Gaetz would be...
		Pam Bonney's fantastic.
		She's going to do a great job.
		But we would have had Matt Gaetz as Attorney General of the United States.
		Of that, there's no doubt.
		Why is that?
		You can't beat MAGA. Can't do it.
		Resilience, they can't beat it.
		That's why they're freaking out now.
		They actually saw...
		They thought they were going to be able to pick off at least one and maybe two and take it as a victory here about President Trump.
		Okay, more on this.
		I want to go to something very special.
		We're going to go to Greenland live.
		Our own Tom Danz is there.
		Tom, walk me through.
		Why are you in Greenland?
		Why is it important?
		What is happening today that this audience, the War Room Posse, needs to know about?
unidentified		Hey, Steve.
		Great to be with you.
		Great to be with the Posse.
		Yeah, coming to you live from the south of Greenland.
		And we're here because my organization, American Daybreak, and really, when I worked for President Trump in the first administration, I was at Treasury, and then I was an Arctic commissioner.
		But part of what is really important today in the moment is for Americans and really for the rest of the world to realize how How closely intertwined our country has been with Greenland for so long and why it's so important.
		And so what we're here in the south of Greenland, and you can see the American flag here flying at half-staff behind us, is we're at the site of the former main base in U.S. base during World War II in Greenland called Bluey West 1. And in particular, we're here, the flags at half-mast today because it symbolizes the sacrifices that Americans made in this war.
		And in particular, something that was celebrated yesterday called Four Chaplains Day.
		We have a bus coming down right here.
		We're going to pass by us.
		But yeah, this is a little town of 130 people.
		But at one point, we had 1,400 Americans here running.
		This is literally carved out of a mountain of rock in Greenland.
		Greenland, for those who aren't so familiar with it, you know, this is a country, I'm from Texas.
		This is a country three times the size of Texas with about 56,000 souls on it.
		So it's just an incredibly remote place.
		But really only about...
		Three and a half, four hours flight time from the US. So this base is...
		Kind of what we call the front door, part of North America.
		Greenland is part of North America.
		It's the front door on our U.S. East Coast.
		And particularly when we talk about the sacrifices that were made here, that's Fort Chaplain's Day.
		So Fort Chaplain's Day is the National Day of Remembrance.
		It occurred yesterday.
		It recognizes the loss of the U.S. Army transport ship Dorchester.
		Which was torpedoed.
		It was on its way from New York City to this base here in Narsasawak.
		It was a multi-day voyage.
		It was torpedoed by a Nazi submarine about 100 miles off the coast.
		Went down with the loss of 672 men, 659 Americans, if you can imagine.
		Right now, when we're standing here, it's minus 5 degrees Fahrenheit.
		The sun's out.
		Last night it was minus 20 here.
		These men went down in 20 minutes in the ocean, right?
		But there were four chaplains.
		This is part of the incredible story of heroism here.
		There were four chaplains aboard.
		Who had just been, they were newly minted first lieutenants in the U.S. Army.
		And there were, two of them were Protestants.
		There was a Methodist minister and there was a Reformed Dutch minister.
		There was a Roman Catholic priest and there was a Jewish rabbi.
		And they were essential because they were traveling on a ship.
		There were 902 men.
		So this was a commercial ship that had been...
		Turned in, requisitioned by the war authorities.
		It was being run by U.S. merchant marines, important.
		My grandfather, this was a U.S. merchant marine, and actually made this run.
		He wasn't on this ship, but he sailed back and forth to Greenland during the war and helped build the airbase here afterwards.
		So that's how I come.
		But these were merchant mariners carrying army troops.
		Civilians to work here.
		We had 13 different installations around Greenland that we built up.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Tom, just hang on for one second.
		We're going to take a break.
		We're going to turn to Greenland.
		We've got Jack Basovic who's going to join us.
		We're going to go from the Darien Gap to Greenland.
		Next in the war room.
		Boy, talk about appropriate.

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