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Jan. 30, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4233: Tragedy Over The Potomac; Kash, Tulsi, And RFK Hearings Cont.
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donald j trump
24:54
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chris murphy
03:14
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jd vance
01:12
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kash patel
01:27
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mark warner
02:45
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pete hegseth
01:49
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robert f kennedy-jr
01:36
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steve bannon
03:14
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tulsi gabbard
01:13
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amy klobuchar
00:09
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chuck grassley
00:08
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john kennedy
00:08
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josh hawley
00:03
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kaitlan collins
00:09
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thom tillis
00:27
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unidentified
You know, we have...
steve bannon
Going to Tulsi Gabbard being grilled by Warner.
mark warner
Members, 702 is critical to our national security.
60% of the president's daily brief.
60% of the information President Trump gets every day in a PDB will come from this.
You've had a long history of opposing 702. Many members of Congress have.
But one of the things you've actually done that not many have is not to reform it, but you actually said you wanted to repeal it.
But now, whether it's confirmation conversion or whatever, you call 702 vital.
And I'm quoting, because of significant Pfizer reforms have been enacted since you left Congress.
Ms. Gabbard, what are the reforms that have led you to now support 702?
tulsi gabbard
In the short time that I have, Senator, I will just note that...
My actions in legislation in Congress were done to draw attention to the egregious civil liberties violations that were occurring at that time.
mark warner
Ms. Gabbard, I ask you a question.
Please give me the courtesy of responding.
You said the reforms now make you supportive.
Can you cite which reforms?
tulsi gabbard
There are a number of reforms to include getting written that all of you and your wisdom...
mark warner
Ms. Gabbard, my time is getting short.
But I've got to just tell you...
After the reforms were passed into law in April of 24, you went on Joe Rogan's podcast in May.
The bill is now law.
And you said, quote, this bill took an already bad problem and made it many, many times worse.
Again, in my mind, this is a question of judgment.
702 is critical.
I appreciate this late conversion, but I'm not sure I'd buy it because you've had such a consistent position.
Again, I know my colleagues are going to raise these, but rather than standing up to dictators like Putin and Assad, you know, you've sometimes amplified his talking points.
I mean, I just do not understand how you can blame NATO for Putin's brutal invasion of Ukraine.
And when Assad used chemical weapons against his own people, he didn't condemn him.
I can go through all the quotes.
He actually questioned Americans' intelligence.
Now, you mentioned a lot about trust.
You know, and one of the things that I'm so proud on this committee is, my friend Senator Burr said, we always follow the truth.
I say on this committee, it's the most valuable work I do in the Senate.
We have a bipartisan approach to intelligence.
I think we have worked to try to keep the intelligence community and earn their trust, and frankly, earn the trust of the American people.
But I respectfully, ma'am, I just don't believe on your judgment and credibility issues that this is the appropriate role that you should take going forward.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Collins.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. Gabbard, Edward Snowden does stand out as having done particularly grave harm to our national security by revealing top-secret information, including sensitive sources and methods, thus jeopardizing agents in the field.
So let me ask you a question.
tulsi gabbard
If confirmed, would you support Thank you for the question, Senator Collins, if confirmed as the director of national intelligence, my responsibility would be to ensure the security of our nation's secrets and would not take actions to advocate for any actions related to Snowden.
unidentified
So the answer is no.
Is that correct?
In 2020, you introduced the Protect Brave Whistleblowers Act, which would amend the Espionage Act to make it more difficult to prosecute individuals who reveal classified information.
In particular, the bill would allow individuals to disclose even top-secret information As long as it's not done with the specific intent to injure the United States or advantage any foreign nation.
Your bill would also have created an affirmative defense if public disclosure of classified information were made for several reasons, one of which was to expose gross waste of funds.
I strongly oppose this legislation, which would hamper our ability to prosecute people who give our adversaries classified information.
So let me ask you this.
Ms. Gabbard, do you still support providing individuals who have access to top-secret information with the ability to make their own decisions?
regarding whether that information should be publicly disclosed even though disclosure may cause tremendous harm to our country or our allies.
tulsi gabbard
Senator, we cannot and should not have individual vigilantes within the intelligence community making their own decisions about how and where and when to expose our nation's secrets.
The intent of the legislation that you have pointed out was pointed towards ensuring due process for those who are charged under the Espionage Act.
unidentified
These claims made in that statement...
We're rejected by courts, including by Republican judges.
Is that correct?
kash patel
I don't have enough of the facts in front of me to make that.
unidentified
I will put that statement on the record, but I think everyone in this committee, including the Republican members, knows that these statements were rejected by courts.
amy klobuchar
You were asked about the police officers in the Capitol who testified in the January 6 hearings, and you accused them of lying.
unidentified
Is that correct or not correct?
kash patel
I don't think that's accurate.
unidentified
Okay, Joe Packed Podcast, March 2024. We'll put it on the record.
I was there.
The police officers were heroes that day.
kash patel
Yes.
unidentified
Did you post on your personal social media account in May of 2024, January 6th, never an insurrection, cowards in uniforms exposed.
They broke the chain of command.
kash patel
I believe you're referencing a post that was shown in part earlier.
I don't have it in front of me.
unidentified
You posted it and it was on your account and we will again put that out there once more as we go on.
I don't want to lose any more time on this, but every one of these, there's a record of it and you haven't answered.
You promoted a COVID vaccine reversal.
Or detox supplement.
One scientist said, I quote, none of these substances in any form would minimize side effects from a COVID-19 vaccine.
That is preying on innocent people.
Did you perform clinical trials before you made that claim?
kash patel
I'm not a doctor, so no.
unidentified
But you did promote this supplement and told people that it would reverse or mitigate the side effects from COVID vaccine.
kash patel
Did I give people an opportunity to make an independent choice for what's best for their families?
Yes.
unidentified
You did that last year, correct?
kash patel
I don't have it in front of me again, Senator.
unidentified
Mr. Patel, the FBI tackles some of the most complex threats that we face.
Terrorists, hostile foreign powers, violent gangs, fentanyl, criminal organizations.
Your mission, though, has been to go after people.
I've looked at it.
I've read this stuff.
Yes or no?
When Trump wins, did you say this?
When Trump wins in 2024 and is in power in 2025, we can prosecute them, referring to Justice Department officials for an actual RICO statute violation for criminally organizing the United States government to break the law to rig presidential elections.
Did you say that, yes or no?
kash patel
Again, Senator, you're reading a partial statement, so I'm unable to fully respond.
unidentified
Okay, again, we'll put it on the record.
X-22 report.
One of the names on your list was Bill Barr.
Chairman Grassley has called him one of the most capable cabinet officials I've ever been able to vote for.
Senator Graham has said, I have nothing but total respect and admiration for the job done by William Barr as Attorney General of the United States.
Is Bill Barr on your list of whatever you want to call them?
It's been referred to as an enemy's list.
You've called them deep state after serving his country as the Attorney General of the United States.
Is he on your list because of a personal vendetta?
kash patel
Well, it's not whatever we want to call it, Senator.
With all due respect, it's not an enemy's list.
That is a total mischaracterization.
unidentified
I ask you, I actually used the words you used for the list, which was deep state, right?
That's what you put at the time.
kash patel
It is a glossary in the back.
unidentified
Against the Attorney General of the United States.
Is it because of a personal vendetta that he's on the list?
You're under oath.
kash patel
I have no personal vendetta against people.
unidentified
Okay, he said about you, you would never be able to command the respect necessary to run the day-to-day operations of the Bureau.
That was actually in writing in his book.
He had virtually, about you, no experience that would qualify you to serve at the highest level of the world's preeminent law enforcement agency, and that your appointment, as noted by Senator Durbin as Deputy Director to the FBI, would happen over his dead body.
Is it, yes or no, why you would put him on the list of Deep State as a former Attorney General, Trump Attorney General of the United States?
Because he wouldn't break the law for Donald Trump.
Is that why?
kash patel
Absolutely not.
unidentified
As you know, he repeatedly told the President in no uncertain terms that he did not see evidence of fraud that would have affected the outcome of the election.
Did you say in February of 2021 that the election stuff was never my job and I stayed all of it all?
I stayed out of that stuff.
kash patel
Again, I don't know what comment you're referring to, but I'm sure you're reading a piece of something.
unidentified
You said it on pushback on a podcast.
Is it true, though, that in December of 2020, you reached out to the Trump acting deputy attorney general and asked him to investigate a conspiracy theory claiming that people in Italy had used military technology and satellites to remotely tamper with voting machines in the U.S. and switch votes for Trump from Biden to...
From Trump to Biden.
Is that true?
kash patel
What was the date?
unidentified
That was out of December of 2020. I was chief of staff to the Department of Defense, so I don't believe that's accurate anyway.
That came out of testimony before Congress.
I will give it to you.
Have you referred to the media as the most powerful enemy of the United States that they have ever seen?
Is that right?
kash patel
Again, you're reading a quote.
I take...
unidentified
H-2C PAC-22324.
You said we're going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens who helped Joe Biden rig the elections.
We're going to come after you whether it's criminally or civilly.
Is that something you said?
kash patel
That's a partial statement of what I said.
unidentified
Steve Bannon's podcast.
You also said you would put the entire fake news mafia press corps on your list.
Is that correct?
Is that what you said?
I don't have that in front of me.
You have said that the FBI, including today, you said that they remain utterly corrupt.
This is an agency with agents who have taken down terrorists, taken down bank robbers, taken down crime.
And you wrote that the FBI has become so thoroughly compromised that it will remain a threat to the people unless drastic measures are taken.
Do you know that under Chris Ray's leadership, he took over at a very difficult time, we all know that, appointed by President Trump, that during his tenure, the applications to the FBI has, in fact, tripled?
Do you think people would be applying to that agency, like in those numbers, if they thought it was so corrupt?
kash patel
The American public's trust in it is at 40%.
That's an all-time low.
unidentified
Did you say that the FBI headquarters should be shut down and reopened as a museum of the deep state?
kash patel
Mr. Chairman, are we allowed to go an extra time?
unidentified
Let's see.
You get a second round.
Before I call on Senator Lee...
Could he just answer the question if he said that the FBI headquarters, where they investigate cybercrime and terrorism, should be shut down and open as a deep state, as a museum?
Did he say that the headquarters should be shut down?
I deserve an answer to that question.
He is asking to be head of the FBI, and he said that their headquarters should be shut down.
thom tillis
Mr. Chair, parliamentary inquiry.
unidentified
You got anything you want to say, Mr. Patel, before I go on to Senator Lee?
kash patel
Simply this.
If the best attacks on me are going to be false accusations and grotesque mischaracterizations, the only thing this body is doing is defeating the credibility of the men and women at the FBI. I stood with them here in this country.
In every theater of war we have, I was on the ground in service of this nation and any.
Accusations leveled against me that I would somehow put political bias before the Constitution are grotesquely unfair.
And I will have you reminded that I have been endorsed by over 300,000 law enforcement officers to become the next director of the FBI. Let's ask them.
unidentified
Mr. Chairman, I am quoting his own words from September of 2024. It is his own words.
It is not some conspiracy.
It is what Mr. Patel actually said himself.
Facts matter.
You forget that you had three minutes in the next round to say what you just said.
Okay, I'll say them again.
Okay.
thom tillis
Mr. Chair, just parliamentary inquiry.
It was on time.
It wasn't disputing any of the debate, but I intend to keep to my seven minutes, and I appreciate you keeping everyone to it.
If we go over, can we have that decrement against the time in the second round?
If a member goes over.
That was actually 10 minutes, Mr. Chair.
unidentified
I'm not sure that I want to.
Sometimes it's faster to get things done here just letting people shout than it does to shut them up.
Mr. Chairman.
thom tillis
You're a wise man, Mr. Chair.
Thank you.
unidentified
Mr. Chairman.
Before we go to lead.
Mr. Chairman.
Yes, what do you want?
I love this guy.
john kennedy
Mr. Chairman, unlike Senator Tillis, I mean, if we're going to start this, I want an extra three minutes.
unidentified
Now, my friend Senator Klobuchar is three minutes over.
So, here what you're saying is the chairman wasn't a very good chairman by not shutting her up.
But I've gone through this before, and I think I know how to handle it.
I think you're a star-spangled awesome chairman.
mark warner
I just want to say that for the record.
unidentified
But if you're going to let somebody over there go three minutes over, I want my extra three minutes.
Well, let's see if it's abused by anybody else before we make that decision.
I'm just telling you, I'm going to abuse it.
Well, I'm not going to let you abuse it.
mark warner
You're a good man, Mr. Chairman.
unidentified
Before I go to Lee, I want to put a statement in the record from 56 former FBI agents wrote to this committee to support this nominee.
chuck grassley
Quote, never has the FBI faced such an urgent and compelling need for comprehensive reform as it does today.
unidentified
Mr. Patel has proven he possesses the breadth of experience required to address these challenges.
chris murphy
You said you never said that.
Now, I'm not asking you to explain what you said.
robert f kennedy-jr
I didn't say I'd never said that.
chris murphy
You didn't say that.
robert f kennedy-jr
I did not say I hadn't said that, Senator.
unidentified
I said the other question he asked me about Nazi death camps.
chris murphy
That's fine.
You're doubling down on that.
You said Senator Warnock also asked you if you compared America's vaccine campaign to the Nazi death camps and the Holocaust.
Again, you said yesterday you didn't say that.
robert f kennedy-jr
I did not say that.
chris murphy
You did not say that.
Senator Bennett asked you yesterday if you had made an allegation that AIDS is a different disease in Africa than it is in America.
On that one you said you didn't recall.
Having had a day to think about it, do you recall saying that AIDS is a different disease in Africa than it is in the United States?
robert f kennedy-jr
I looked up that passage in my book.
And found that indeed the diagnostics for AIDS are very different in Africa than in the United States, that the list of symptoms is almost completely different.
chris murphy
So let me just, I'll submit this for the record, but having denied the first two statements, let me just read what you said.
You said in 2013, is it hyperbole to say that the people who run our vaccine programs should be in jail?
They should be in jail.
To me, this is like Nazi death camps.
Look at what it does to the families who participate in the vaccine program.
I can't tell you why ordinary Germans participated in the Holocaust.
I can't tell you what was going on in their minds.
With respect to the pedophilia scandal, you said The pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church is a perfect metaphor for what's happening in the United States.
The vaccine program, it's the same reason we had a pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church.
It's because people were able to convince themselves that the institution of the Church was more important than these little boys and girls who were being raped.
I don't disagree with Senator Mullen.
I don't want an HHS secretary that's not going to question science.
I think it's important to question science.
You're not questioning science.
You've made up your mind.
You have spent your entire career undermining America's vaccine program.
You make these purposeful comparisons to those that are administering the vaccine program, to the Nazi executioners, to the people who covered up the Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal because you have made a decision.
That there is a comparison.
That there is evil in the vaccine program as there was evil in the pedophilia scandal and the Nazi death camps.
You aren't exploring science.
You have made up your mind.
You've spent your entire career trying to undermine these programs.
The reason that these statements, these incredibly aggressive, over-the-top statements matter to us is because it just isn't believable that when you become secretary...
You are all of a sudden going to be consistent with science.
People who have spent their career saying these kinds of things, running the kinds of campaigns that you have run, don't all of a sudden change their stripes.
And so, Mr. Chairman, I will submit these statements.
robert f kennedy-jr
Can I respond to that?
My statement about the catalecture is almost identical to the findings of the government oversight.
The investigation committee had investigated CDC's vaccine program in 2003. Senator Burton was chairman of that committee.
And he said that certain individuals in that program had written off a generation of kids because of, quote, misplaced institutional loyalty to the CDC. And because of entanglements with the drug companies.
unidentified
Let me finish what I'm saying.
robert f kennedy-jr
You made some grave accusations.
chris murphy
Pedophilia to the administration of vaccines?
robert f kennedy-jr
No, it wasn't pedophilia.
chris murphy
It was a perfect metaphor.
robert f kennedy-jr
Well, if you have one in 36 kids who has neurological injuries, and if that is linked, that's something that we should study.
chris murphy
Is it a perfect metaphor?
robert f kennedy-jr
It's not a perfect metaphor, but there's no metaphor that's perfect.
But I am pro-vaccine.
I am going to support the vaccine program.
I want kids to be healthy.
And I'm coming in here to get rid of the conflicts of interest within the agency to make sure that we have gold standard evidence-based science.
And if you show me where I'm wrong on this, show me a single statement I've made about science that is erroneous.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
Senator Hawley.
robert f kennedy-jr
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
jd vance
Mr. Kennedy, welcome.
josh hawley
I enjoyed our conversation last month in our office.
jd vance
And thank you for remembering as you did.
tulsi gabbard
I met with people like that.
steve bannon
We're going to cut to the White House briefing room.
President Trump is coming out to give brief remarks about the tragedy last night.
But then I think he's going to take questions.
This could be a wild one.
We're going to go to the White House.
President of the United States.
donald j trump
The President: Victims and their families, please.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
donald j trump
I speak to you this morning in an hour of anguish for a nation.
Just before 9 p.m.
last night, an American Airlines regional jet carrying 60 passengers and four crew collided with an Army Black Hawk helicopter carrying three military service members over the Potomac River in Washington, D.C. While on final approach to Reagan National Airport, both aircraft crashed instantly and were immediately submerged into the icy waters of the Potomac.
Real tragedy.
The massive search and rescue mission was underway throughout the night, leveraging every asset at our disposal, and I have to say the local, state, federal, military, including the United States Coast Guard in particular, they've done a phenomenal job.
So quick, so fast.
It was mobilized immediately.
The work has now shifted to a recovery mission.
Sadly, there are no survivors.
This was a dark and excruciating night in our nation's capital and in our nation's history, and a tragedy of terrible proportions.
As one nation, we grieve for every...
Precious soul that has been taken from us so suddenly.
And we are a country of, really, we are in mourning.
This is really shaking a lot of people, including people, very sadly, from other nations who were on the flight.
For the family members back in Wichita, Kansas, here in Washington, D.C. and throughout the United States and in Russia, we...
We have a Russia contingent, some very talented people.
Unfortunately, we're on that plane.
Very, very, very sorry about that.
Whose loved ones were aboard the passenger jet, we can only begin to imagine the agony that you're all feeling.
Nothing worse.
On behalf of the First Lady, myself, and 340 million Americans, our hearts are shattered alongside yours, and our prayers are with you now.
And in the days to come, we'll be working very, very diligently in the days to come.
We're here for you to wipe away the tears and to offer you our devotion, our love and our support.
There's great support.
In moments like this, the differences between Americans fade to nothing compared to the bonds of affection and loyalty that unite us all, both as Americans and even as nations.
We are one family and today we are all heartbroken.
All searching for answers.
That icy, icy Potomac, that was a cold, cold night, cold water, were all overcome with the grief for many who have so tragically perished, will no longer be with us.
Together we take solace in the knowledge that their journey ended not in the cold waters of the Potomac, but in the warm embrace of a loving God.
We do not know what led.
To this crash, but we have some very strong opinions and ideas, and I think we'll probably state those opinions now.
Because over the years, I've watched as things like this happen, and they say, well, we're always investigating, and then the investigation three years later, they announce it.
We think we have some pretty good ideas.
But we'll find out how this disaster occurred, and we'll ensure that nothing like this ever happens again.
The FAA and the NTSB and the U.S. military will be carrying out a systematic and comprehensive investigation.
Our new Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy, his second day on the job when that happened.
It's a rough one.
We'll be working tirelessly.
He's a great gentleman.
The whole group, these are great people.
And they are working tirelessly to figure out exactly what happened.
We will state certain opinions, however.
I'm also immediately appointing an acting commissioner to the FAA, Christopher Rochelieu, a 22-year veteran of the agency, highly respected.
Christopher, thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
We must have only the highest standards for those who work in our aviation system.
I changed the Obama standards from very mediocre at best to extraordinary.
You remember that.
Only the highest aptitude, they have to be the highest intellect, and psychologically superior people were allowed to qualify for air traffic controllers.
That was not so prior to getting there.
When I arrived in 2016, I made that change very early on because I always felt this was a job that, and other jobs too, but this was a job that had to be superior intelligence.
We didn't really have that, and we had it.
And then when I left office and Biden took over, he changed them back to lower than ever before.
I put safety first.
Obama, Biden, and the Democrats put policy first.
And they put politics at a level that nobody's ever seen, because this was the lowest level.
Their policy was horrible.
And their politics was even worse.
So as you know, last week, long before the crash, I signed an executive order restoring our highest standards for air traffic controllers and other important jobs throughout the country.
So it was very interesting.
About a week ago, almost upon entering office, I signed something last week that was an executive order very powerful on restoring the highest standards of air traffic controllers.
And others, by the way.
Then my administration will set the highest possible bar for aviation safety.
We have to have our smartest people.
It doesn't matter what they look like, how they speak, who they are.
It matters intellect, talent.
The word talent.
You have to be talented, naturally talented geniuses.
You can't have regular people doing that job.
They won't be able to do it.
But we'll restore faith in American air travel.
unidentified
I hope.
donald j trump
I have more to say about that.
I do want to point out that various articles that appeared prior to my entering office, and here's one.
The FAA's diversity push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities.
That is amazing.
And then it says, FAA says people with severe disabilities are most Underrepresented segment of the workforce, and they want them in, and they want them.
They can be air traffic controllers.
I don't think so.
This was on January 14th, so that was a week before I entered office.
They put a big push to put diversity into the FAA's program.
Then another article, the Federal Aviation Administration.
This was before I got to office.
Recently, second term, the FAA is actively recruiting workers who suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency's website.
Can you imagine?
These are people that are, I mean, actually, their lives are shortened because of the stress that they have.
Brilliant people have to be in those positions.
And their lives are actually shortened, very substantially shortened because of the stress, where you have many, many planes coming into one target.
And you need a very special talent and a very special genius to be able to do it.
Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring.
The FAA's website states they include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability, and dwarfism all qualify for the position of a controller of airplanes pouring into our country, pouring into a little spot, a little dot on the map, a little runway.
The initiative is part of the FAA's diversity and inclusion hiring plan.
Think of that.
The initiative is part of the FAA's diversity and inclusion hiring plan, which says diversity is integral to achieving FAA's mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I think it's just the opposite.
The FAA website shows that the agency's guidance on diversity hiring were last updated on...
March 23rd of 22. They wanted to make it even more so.
And then I came in, and I assume maybe this is the reason, the FAA, which is overseen by Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
A real winner.
That guy's a real winner.
Do you know how badly everything's run since he's run the Department of Transportation?
He's a disaster.
He was a disaster as a mayor.
He ran his...
He's sitting into the ground, and he's a disaster now.
He's just got a good line of bullshit.
The Department of Transportation, his government agency charged with regulating civil aviation.
Well, he runs it, 45,000 people, and he's run it right into the ground with his diversity.
So I had to say that it's terrible.
Then it's a group within the FAA.
Another story determined that the workforce was too white, that they had concerted efforts to get the administration to change that and to change it immediately.
This was in the Obama administration just prior to my getting there.
And we took care of African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans.
We took care of everybody at levels that nobody's ever seen before.
It's one of the reasons I won.
But they actually came out with a directive to white.
unidentified
And we want...
donald j trump
The people that are competent.
But now we mourn and we pray and would like to ask all Americans to join me in a moment of silence as we ask God to watch over those who have lost their lives and bring comfort to the loved ones.
I just want to say God bless everyone in this room.
This has been a terrible, very short period of time.
We'll get to the bottom of it.
We all saw the same thing.
We've seen it many times.
I've had the honor of hearing tapes.
Tapes are scary.
Very scary tapes.
You had an airliner coming in, American Airlines.
He was doing everything right.
He was on track.
He was the same track as everybody else that came in.
It's probably the same track as they've had for 25 years or more.
He's coming in the path.
And for some reason, he had a helicopter that was at the same height, obviously when they hit, but pretty much the same height, and going at an angle that was unbelievably bad when the air traffic controller said, do you see?
He was talking about, do you see him?
But there was very little time left when that was stated.
And then also he said, follow him in.
And then almost immediately after that, you know, seconds after that, there was the crash that took place.
Well, you follow him in.
That means like everything's fine.
Follow him in.
You had a pilot problem from the standpoint of the helicopter.
I mean, because it was visual.
It was a very clear night.
It was cold, but clear and clear as you could be.
The American Airlines plane had lights blazing.
They had all their landing lights on.
I could see it from the Kennedy Center tape.
We had a tape up on the Kennedy Center.
That seems to be the primary.
Thus far, I'm sure we'll see other tapes because it's such an area where there are a lot of cameras looking up into the air, into space.
So we'll probably see many other shots of it before too much time goes by.
But we had a situation where you had a helicopter that had the ability to stop.
I have helicopters.
You can stop a helicopter very quickly.
It had the ability to go up or down.
It had the ability to turn.
And the turn it made was not the correct turn, obviously.
And it did.
Somewhat the opposite of what it was told.
We don't know that that would have been the difference because the timing was so tight.
It was so little.
There was so little time to think.
But what you did have is you had vision.
The helicopter had vision of the plane because you had vision of it all the way, perfect vision of it all the way from at Kennedy Center where the tape was taken.
And for some reason there weren't adjustments made.
unidentified
Again...
donald j trump
You could have slowed down the helicopter substantially.
You could have stopped the helicopter.
You could have gone up.
You could have gone down.
You could have gone straight up, straight down.
You could have turned.
You could have done a million different maneuvers.
For some reason, it just kept going and then made a slight turn at the very end, and by that time, it was too late.
They shouldn't have been at the same height.
Because if it was at the same height, you could have gone under it or over it, and nobody realized, or they didn't say that it's at the same height.
At the same height, it still wouldn't have been great, but you would have missed it by quite a bit.
It could have been 1,000 feet higher, it could have been 200 feet lower, but it was exactly at the same height, and somebody should have been able to point that out.
So all of this is going to be studied, but it just seems to me, from...
A couple of words that I like to use, the words common sense.
Some really bad things happened, and some things happened that shouldn't have happened.
So you had a helicopter going in an identical direction.
You had a helicopter that was at the exact same height as somebody going in essentially the opposite direction.
You had a plane that was following a track, which is a track that every other plane followed.
And I don't imagine, I know I've heard today that they might have been following the preceding plane, which was pretty close, but not that close, the preceding plane.
But you wouldn't have even been able to see that because of the direction that the helicopter was coming in at.
So you had a confluence of bad decisions that were made.
And you have people that lost their lives, violently lost their lives.
We're going to take a few questions.
I'd like to ask our new Secretary of Transportation to say a few words.
Sean Duffy, great gentleman, just started.
It's not your fault, and I know you agree with me very strongly on intellect and even psychological well-being of the air traffic control.
It's such an important position, and I think I can't emphasize stronger.
I changed it when I first ran in 2016. I changed it.
We had the highest standard that you could have.
And then they changed it back.
That was Biden to a standard you just...
I read it to you.
That was from one of your papers.
One of the people in this room actually wrote that.
And then I changed it back a few days ago.
And unfortunately, that was...
We'll see.
We don't know that necessarily it's even the controller's fault.
But one thing we do know, there was a lot of vision, and people should have been able to see that, you know, at what point do you stop?
At what point do you say, wow, that plane's getting a little bit close?
So this is a tragedy that should not have happened.
Please, sir.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
And I would just note the President's leadership has been remarkable during this crisis.
We have had a whole of government response, local, state, federal.
And when you see that kind of cooperation, it begins with the leadership in this body.
So thank you for that, Mr. President.
You make our jobs a lot easier.
You made an important point that when we deal with safety, we can only accept the best and the brightest in positions of safety that impact the lives of our loved ones, our family members.
And I think you make a really important point on that, Mr. President.
That is the motto of your presidency.
The best and the brightest.
The most intelligent coming into these spaces.
I want to take a moment and extend my condolences to the families of the loved ones.
We commit to them that we are going to get to the bottom of this investigation, not in three years, not in four years, but as quickly as possible with the NTSB who is here today, as well as the FAA. What happened yesterday shouldn't have happened.
It should not have happened.
And when Americans take off in airplanes, they should expect to land at their destination.
That didn't happen yesterday.
That's not acceptable.
And so we will not accept excuses.
We will not accept passing the buck.
We are going to take responsibility at the Department of Transportation and the FAA to make sure we have the reforms that have been dictated by President Trump in place to make sure that these mistakes do not happen again.
And again, I want to thank you for your leadership, Mr. President.
And I appreciate the confidence you placed in me.
Thank you very much.
Well, thank you, Mr. President.
pete hegseth
Again, I want to echo what the Transportation Secretary said about your leadership.
From the moment we found out about this, we were in contact with the White House trying to determine exactly what happened.
I would echo it as well.
No excuses.
We're going to get to the bottom of this.
We first and foremost from the Defense Department want to pass our condolences to the 64 souls and their families that were affected by this.
Never should happen.
And certainly the three service members, the three soldiers, a young captain, staff sergeant, and a CW-2 chief warrant officer on a routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor for a continuity of government mission.
The military does dangerous things.
It does routine things on a regular basis.
Tragically, last night, a mistake was made.
I think the President is right.
There was some sort of an elevation issue that we have immediately begun investigating at the DOD and Army level.
Army CID is on the ground investigating.
Top-tier aviation assets inside the DOD are investigating, sir, to get to the bottom of it so that it does not happen again because it's absolutely unacceptable.
The Transportation Secretary and you, Mr. President, said, because it pertains to the DOD as well.
We will have the best and brightest in every position possible.
As you said in your inaugural, it is colorblind and merit-based.
The best leaders possible, whether it's flying Blackhawks and flying airplanes, leading platoons, or in government.
The era of DEI is gone at the Defense Department.
And we need the best and brightest, whether it's in our air traffic control, or whether it's in our generals, or whether it's throughout government.
So thank you for your leadership and courage on that, sir, and we'll stand by you on it.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
donald j trump
J.D., please.
jd vance
Well, thank you, Mr. President, for your leadership.
I just want to reemphasize something the President said, and you've heard from the Secretary of Transportation and of Defense.
There really was a whole-of-government response.
We were all on the phone.
We were all communicating yesterday, trying to get to the bottom of this immediately, but also try to communicate with the American people about what happened.
Something the President said that I think bears reemphasizing, which is that when you don't have the best standards in who you're hiring, it means, on the one hand, you're not getting the best people in government.
But on the other hand, it puts stresses on the people who are already there.
And I think that is a core part of what President Trump is going to bring and has already brought to Washington, D.C., is we want to hire the best people because we want the best people at air traffic control, and we want to make sure we have enough people at air traffic control who are actually competent to do the job.
If you go back to just some of the headlines over the past 10 years, you have...
Many hundreds of people suing the government because they would like to be air traffic controllers, but they were turned away because of the color of their skin.
That policy ends under Donald Trump's leadership because safety is the first priority of our aviation industry.
Thank you, Mr. President.
unidentified
On DEI and the claims that you've made, are you saying this crash was somehow caused and the result of diversity hiring?
And what evidence have you seen to support these claims?
donald j trump
It just could have been.
We have a high standard.
We've had a much higher standard than anybody else.
And there are things where you have to go by brain power.
You have to go by psychological quality.
And psychological quality is a very important element of it.
These are various, very powerful tests that we put to use, and they were terminated by Biden.
And Biden went by a standard that's the exact opposite.
So we don't know.
But we do know that you had two planes at the same level.
You had a helicopter and a plane.
That shouldn't have happened.
And we'll see.
We're going to look into that, and we're going to see.
Certainly for an air traffic controller, we want the brightest, the smartest, the sharpest.
We want somebody that's psychologically superior.
And that's what we're going to have.
Yeah, please, go ahead.
unidentified
Mr. President, you mentioned at the top of the briefing that there were several Russian nationals on the flight.
Will the U.S. government be willing to facilitate the transfer of their remains, considering the fact there is no direct air travel between the two countries?
donald j trump
We've already been in contact with Russia, and the answer is yes, we will facilitate.
Please, go ahead.
unidentified
Mr. President, the situation in the Democratic Republic of the Congo is getting worse, even though President John Lorenzo has been mediating the conflict between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo because he wants to bring peace and stability.
The situation is really bad right now.
I want to hear from, Ms. President, if you have any plan in the future to bring peace in the Democrat Republic.
donald j trump
Well, there has to be a question about Rwanda, and it is a very serious problem, I agree, but I don't think it's appropriate right now to talk about it, but it is a very serious problem.
kaitlan collins
We haven't yet know the names of the 67 people who were killed, and you are blaming Democrats and DEI policies and air traffic control and seemingly...
unidentified
The member of the U.S. military who was flying that Black Hawk helicopter.
Don't you think you're getting ahead of the investigation right now?
donald j trump
No, I don't think so at all.
I don't think we're the names of the people.
You mean the names of the people that are on the plane?
You think that's going to make a difference?
unidentified
Does it comfort their families?
donald j trump
They are a group of people that have lost their lives.
If you want a list of the names, we can give you that.
We'll be giving that very soon.
We're in coordination with American Airlines.
We're in coordination very strongly, obviously, with the military.
But I think that's not a very smart question.
I'm surprised coming from you.
unidentified
Thank you, President Trump.
Thank you for being here.
Based on your analysis so far, do you have a sense of who is at fault?
If it was the plane, the helicopter, air traffic control?
donald j trump
And can you assure people that it is safe to fly in and out of D.C.? Well, I've given you the analysis, and the analysis was based on vision.
You had a lot of people that...
You had some people that knew what was happening.
There was some warnings, but the warnings were given very, very late.
You know, those warnings were given very late.
It was almost as they were given a few seconds later there was the crash.
It should have been brought up earlier.
But the people in the helicopter should have seen where they were going.
I can't imagine people with 20-20 vision not seeing...
You know, what's happening up there?
Again, they shouldn't have been at the same height.
You're going in reverse directions or sideway directions.
Obviously, you want to be at different heights.
I see it all the time when I'm flying.
You have planes going on the opposite.
They're always lower.
We're higher.
So if somehow there's a screw-up, there's not going to be a tragedy.
It'll be close.
But, you know, there's never going to be a tragedy if you're at a different elevation.
For whatever reason, they were at the same elevation.
And also, from the American Airlines Center, he's along the track that every plane is along.
You say, what was a helicopter doing in that track?
It's very sad.
But visually, somebody should have been able to see and taken that helicopter out of play.
And they should have been at a different height.
thom tillis
All right.
unidentified
You mentioned the Russians that were on board that plane.
donald j trump
There were a couple of others.
We're going to be announcing it in about an hour.
We have some very specific information.
We're calling the countries.
We've spoken to most of them, but there were some other countries represented.
unidentified
Have you spoken to President Putin?
donald j trump
I have not, no.
Not about this.
unidentified
On your executive order, you've already issued an executive order you say will restore aviation safety.
Right.
thom tillis
This crash happened after that.
unidentified
Was the executive order successful and what more need to change to keep people safe?
donald j trump
Well, you know, we issued it three days ago and we were in the process of making those changes.
This is something that should have...
It's been done a long time ago.
Actually, my original order should have never been changed, and I think maybe you wouldn't have had this problem.
unidentified
Maybe.
donald j trump
Yeah, please.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Yes, thank you.
We see, like, everyday life that very often those diversity hires cause sometimes issues, as you just mentioned.
So what plan do you have?
Are we going to see some fire?
Are you going to fire some of those diversity hires in the federal government?
What plan do you have?
donald j trump
I would say the answer is yes.
If we find that people aren't mentally competent, you see the language.
The language is put out by them.
And if you see that, I'm not going to bore you by reading it again, but these are not people that should be doing this particular job.
They'd be very good for certain jobs, but not people that should be doing this particular job.
unidentified
You today blamed the diversity elements, but then told us that you weren't sure that the controllers made any mistake.
You then said perhaps the helicopter pilots were the ones who made the mistake.
donald j trump
It's all under investigation.
unidentified
I understand that.
That's why I'm trying to figure out how you can come to the conclusion right now that diversity had something to do with this crash.
donald j trump
Because I have common sense, okay?
And unfortunately, a lot of people don't.
We want brilliant people doing this.
This is a major chess game at the highest level.
When you have 60 planes coming in during a short period of time, and they're all coming in different directions, and you're dealing with very high-level computer work and very complex computers.
And one of the other things I will tell you is that the systems that were built, I was going to rebuild the entire system, and then we had an election that didn't turn out the way it should have.
But they didn't build the systems properly.
They spent a lot of money renovating a system, spending much more money than they would have spent if they bought a new system for air traffic controllers, meaning the computerized systems.
There are certain companies that do a very good job.
They didn't use those companies.
They used companies that should not have been doing it.
No, I think it's very important to understand that For some jobs, and not only this, but air traffic controllers, they have to be at the highest level of genius.
unidentified
I want to ask you about the ice skaters in a moment, because the U.S. Ice Skating Committee was affected.
But first, if I can, the cited FAA text that you read is real, but the implication that this policy is new or that it stems from efforts that began under President Biden or the Transportation Secretary.
Pete Buttigieg is demonstrably false.
It's been on the FAA's website.
Who said that?
You?
No, it's on the website.
The FAA's website.
It was there in 2013. It was there for the entirety of your administration, too.
So my question is, why didn't you change the policy during your first administration?
donald j trump
I did change it.
I changed the Obama policy.
And we had a very good policy.
And then Biden came in and he changed it.
And then when I came in, two days, three days ago, I signed a new order bringing it to the highest level of intelligence.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Please.
unidentified
You mentioned that a vision was probably the problem that was at issue in this crash.
There's been some reports that one of the pilots in a helicopter may have been using night vision equipment.
donald j trump
Was there any indication?
We don't know.
We're going to know that pretty soon.
It may change your view plane if you do have the night vision.
So it's very possible that could have happened.
That would be maybe a reason why you wouldn't actually see as well as on a clear night.
you can see sometimes better without it.
unidentified
I have a couple more.
The Press: Mr. President, is it helpful to have your Secretary of Transportation confirmed, and does this intensify your interest in getting other nominees confirmed quickly?
donald j trump
The President: Go ahead.
unidentified
What?
Go ahead.
The Press: Is it helpful to have your Secretary of Transportation confirmed, and does this intensify your interest in getting other nominees confirmed quickly as well?
donald j trump
The President: Well, sure.
We want fast confirmations.
And the Democrats, as you know, are doing everything they can to delay them.
unidentified
They're doing everything they can to delay them.
donald j trump
They've taken too long.
We're struggling to get very good people that everybody knows are going to be confirmed, but we're struggling to get them out faster.
We want them out faster.
It's a good question, actually.
We've been pushing Sean.
Everyone knows Sean for a long time.
He got many, many Democrat votes, but they want to take as long as they can.
They ask questions like some of the questions that...
Peter would ask that were totally irrelevant and not very good questions, but they want to just keep it going.
They want to keep it going as long as possible.
I was very honored, actually, that you got so many Democrat votes.
that was really good.
unidentified
That was really good.
When I applied to meet with the two families, and second question, is it your impression that military training that was done during that time The what?
The training that the helicopter was involved in.
Is it anything you can tell us about that?
You don't know.
donald j trump
These are the things that will come up with the investigation.
You don't know.
But the helicopter obviously was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and a tragedy occurred.
unidentified
Please.
I've got a question about the...
donald j trump
No, go ahead.
unidentified
Please.
Thank you, Mr. President.
You've been critical of the current regulations and you've called for big reforms at FAA. I'm curious, sir, what is your message to the American public in the weeks and months ahead?
Should they feel hesitant to fly?
And if you could clarify perhaps something that the Defense Secretary said when he said that this helicopter was on a continuity of government mission?
donald j trump
I don't know what that refers to, but they were practicing.
They do that.
They call it practicing, and that's something that should be done.
It's only continuity in the sense that we want to have very good people, and that has to be in continuity, and that's what they refer to.
But it was basically practice, and it was a practice that worked out very, very badly.
unidentified
Okay?
On his question, the first question, should people be hesitant to fly right now?
donald j trump
No, not at all.
I do not hesitate to fly.
This is something that it's been many years that something like this has happened.
And the collision is just something that we don't expect ever to happen again.
We are going to have the highest level people.
We've already hired some of the people that...
You've already hired for that position.
Long before we knew about this, I mean, long before, from the time I came in, we started going out and getting the best people because I said it's not appropriate what they're doing.
I think it's a tremendous mistake.
You know, they like to do things and they like to take them too far, and this is sometimes what ends up happening.
Now, with that, I'm not blaming the controller.
I'm saying there are things that...
You could question, like, the height of the helicopter and the height of the plane being at the same level and going in opposite directions.
It's not a positive.
But, no, we're already hiring people.
No, flying is very safe.
We have the safest flying anywhere in the world, and we'll keep it that way.
Thank you all very much.
Thank you very much.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
The President of the United States with an absolutely incredible press conference about this tragedy last night kind of threw down hard.
His theories of the case of what happened looked like he's got questions about air traffic controllers.
Also has a question about why the night vision training by the United States Army and the Apache helicopter.
We have Brian Glens there, Natalie Winters.
We're there for the briefing.
Also, let's go back.
We're going to punch out here in a couple of minutes with the War Room.
Hopefully, we've got different channels.
Go to Grayson.
We've got the Rumble channel, the Ghetto channel.
We're going to be trying to show as much of the hearings as possible.
The president was there approximately for 35 minutes.
At the press briefing, he had Secretary of Transportation Duffy, head of the Pentagon, Pete Hegseth, he had the Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance, all step up, say a few words, and then took questions after his statement.
He saw the press is back into the feeding frenzy of President Trump's first term.
He saw it right there.
The hand-to-hand combat, let's be brutally frank about what's going on at Capitol Hill and the Senate side.
Cash Patel, they're coming at Cash hard.
They're coming at Bobby Kennedy hard.
They're coming at Tulsi Gabbard hard.
The Democrats right here are trying to do two things.
Number one, they hope to knock down these appointments because they don't want President Trump to have his team, and particularly a team of disruptors, which all three of these are today.
unidentified
But...
steve bannon
Remember, what they're also trying to do is get them on the record of certain policies to basically make sure they've constrained what these folks can do when they take over the departments.
They don't want Bobby Kennedy doing what Bobby Kennedy has done historically.
They don't want Tulsi Gabbard with kind of her opinions and thoughts about intelligence and deconstructing the intelligence community.
They don't want Kash Patel with what he feels has to be done at the FBI. So it's a two-pronged approach.
Number one...
They ding him up enough to get him to actually get what I call the fourth Republican to bail.
And that came very close to Pete.
The inside story in that was very close.
They're going to try to do that because I feel they got Murkowski, they got Collins, they got McConnell.
All they need is one more.
They get one more J.D.'s vote.
Vice President Vance's vote cannot change it.
The second thing they're trying to do is make sure they limit the field of action that these cabinet suckers can take.
If and when they are confirmed.
You saw him try to do that with Pete Hegsitt and Scott Besant and Russ Vogt.
President Trump right there saying, as John Thune, he needs his cabinet secretaries.
I think this tragedy last night shows we need to get a process where you get people in there quicker.
President Trump on offense right there talking about what his policies were.
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