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Dec. 30, 2024 - Bannon's War Room

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jonathan lemire ▲ ● ▼		An all-out feud has erupted within President-elect Trump's MAGA base over visas for skilled immigrant workers.
		Trump is apparently now expressing some support for the H-1B visa program after he had criticized it in the past.
		This comes after Trump allies Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy expressed their support for the program last week, arguing that high-skilled foreign workers are essential for the U.S. tech industry.
		That had many in MAGA world furious, claiming the pair were contradicting Trump's immigration policies and his America First philosophy for their own personal benefit.
unidentified		It's an inevitability that the hyper-populist, non-college-educated part of Trump's base, which is the plurality at the minimum of a majority if you take certain arguments, We're always going to be preconditioned to believe that the word immigration or the word visa always in their minds means brown people bad.
		And so they have this belief that the guy with the GED and his fake Oakley sunglasses, his goatee and his pickup truck, the universal Twitter bro that you see in every avatar on Twitter— That guy's thinking to himself, oh, I could have been the senior software designer at Google if only it weren't for DEI or immigration.
		It's absurd.
		But now you see these people that rely on that as a core part of their business, just like Donald Trump does also, by the way, for service staff at Mar-a-Lago and other resorts.
		You see this conflict.
		It's going to eventually, you know, the hyper-populists They don't really care about the more sophisticated arguments about H-1B or O-1 visas.
		They care around people bad.
		That's their whole driving conditioning they've had from Fox for years.
jonathan lemire ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Steve Bannon called Elon Musk a child on Elon Musk's own social media platform over the weekend.
jonathan lemire ▲ ● ▼		That's where things are right now on the MAGA right.
unidentified		Well, I mean, look, on one level, there's a power struggle going on inside of MAGA, but on another level, this is a substantive dispute, which is inevitable in a populist movement that is now dominated by billionaire tech bro elitists.
		And that's going to show up in a lot of issues.
		Look, a lot of the MAGA base has been motivated by the fear of immigrants and resentment against immigrants, foreigners, taking jobs that they think that Americans should have.
		Elon Musk and saying that, yeah, there are not enough Americans.
		Americans are, and he endorsed the word retarded, are just not smart enough or not skilled enough to take all these high-tech jobs.
		We need to import foreigners like me.
		Well, clearly, that's going to cause tension in MAGA. This is a campaign that was based upon Fear of foreigners coming in and taking your communities, your jobs, your women, all of those things.
		And so these latecomers, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, really have very different value systems.
		I think they have different agendas than the MAGA base.
		So this is going to play out over a long period of time.
		Right now, to no one's surprise, Donald Trump is siding with, you know, the billionaire tech bros.
		But the base is not going to change its position on immigration.
		And sometimes, you know, ideas have consequences, but so does racial demagoguery.
		And I think what was really extraordinary was watching how shocked Elon Musk and some of his buddies were to find out that many of their new MAGA allies are in fact...
		Pretty racist when it comes to Indian immigrants.
		And it seemed like they were shocked, like, wait, we were supposed to be afraid of those immigrants.
		Now you're coming for our immigrants?
		We didn't mean that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified		Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The people have had a belly full of it.
unidentified		I know you don't like hearing that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		And where do people like that go to share the big line?
unidentified		MAGA media.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified		War Room.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
		Much needed.
		And we've got a lot of stuff to get to today.
		We're going to get to Speaker Johnson.
		We're going to talk about this.
		The bomb that was dropped by the Secretary of Treasury on the debt.
		Right?
		New developments in Ukraine.
unidentified		All of it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But first we have to deal with the business at hand.
		And I want to set the table for this.
		Elon Musk has already surrendered.
		Already surrendered.
		If you look at the arc of his, you know, this is from a guy who's going to go to war in ways we can't imagine, and this is the most important thing, we will fight to the death, all this.
		He and Sachs, you know, immediately with just a little pressure.
		Oh, yeah, it needs reforming, and we're just talking about the.001% we've got to bring in.
		And you heard there in the opening, the skilled immigrant workers, the high-skilled foreign workers.
		Let me repeat this.
		And for those out there, and there's a small portion right now in the poll that's being done by Sean Spicer, there's almost 100,000 people have voted.
		And our position has two-thirds of the vote, and the other position has one-third.
		And the only reason it has one-third is that folks haven't looked under the hood here.
		So let me repeat this.
		The H-1B visa program is a total and complete scam to destroy the American worker.
		Because naturally, capitalists always want to go to the lowest cost production.
		They always want to pay the cheapest wages.
		That's just the nature of the...
		And I'm not saying that is wrong.
		What I'm saying is that when you have an America First movement and that the American citizen is everything, and the sovereign will of the American people is everything, and you have to predicate everything and frame it around what is best for the American citizen, then your perspective changes.
		We have called, and they have not shown us one.
		I have not seen one example of the millions.
		And these are millions.
		I have not seen one example.
		And if they had examples, they'd be rubbing your nose in.
		It's like Rachel Maddow on the 2020 loss.
		If they had an example, if they had tens of thousands of examples, they would rub your nose in it about, oh, these guys have a different skill set, American workers.
		That is a bald-faced lie.
		This is just about a compensation in indentured servants, basically quasi-slave labor, in our own country by the enlightened oligarchs of Silicon Valley.
		This is techno-feudalism.
		Remember, they don't believe in the nation-state, what they believe in kind of a network effect.
		This is like the Borgias or the Medicis from Renaissance Italy, kind of these nation-states where Silicon Valley and these oligarchs Are the feudal lords?
		Are the, as Ben Harnwell says, sociopathic overlords?
		And they've got a system that the politicians, the political class are fine with because the donations roll in.
		That's what we say right this week.
		Oh, this is an op.
		Can't we all just get together and have a group hug?
		No!
		We're not going to get together and have a group hug.
		You're either going to learn how to fight or get the hell off the battlefield.
		And stop taking money from people saying you're fighting.
		This is the core.
		$15 million they let in for low-skilled workers.
		Here, they've been running this scam for decades.
		For medium and high-skilled workers.
		The American citizen is under assault from multiple fronts.
		Number one, the private equity.
		Remember, the private equity is your money.
		The pension funds.
		Your pension funds.
		Your tax dollars.
		First off, they ship as many manufacturing jobs as they could possibly overseas to get closer to the slave labor of Lao Bai Jing.
		Old hundred names, the Chinese common man and woman, who works as basically slave labor.
		The ones they couldn't do, they're going to import that here, and they're going to use this kind of, oh, we only want skilled immigrant workers.
		They're not more skilled than American tech workers.
		They're not more skilled.
		Show me.
		Let's see the resumes.
		Let's see what they did.
		Let's compare that.
		All week, we've been pleading, please show me.
		If they had a position, they wouldn't have folded so quickly.
		Sachs and Elon, oh yeah, well, we're only talking about, you know, from fighting to the death.
		From fighting to the death, they went to, yes, the system needs reform.
		It needs reform.
	Yes, we only want the 0.01%.
	No, no, stop, stop.
	And you're going to tap us along and think, we're not going to forget this.
	It's a total and complete scam to destroy the American worker and to import foreign labor.
	And this is the opposite of racism.
	What did I say at the New York Young Republicans Club interview with the Free Press 10 days before this thing went off?
	I said, hey, the reason the black and Hispanic community has no representation, and I'm not Quoto's guy, I'm just saying give them a shot.
	Hell, I went to a land-grant university.
	It's all South Asians.
	That's not racist.
	But American citizens should have the ability to get in those schools first.
	Your families built this country.
	I'm talking about African Americans, Hispanics, white working class.
	Take your pick.
	That's how you get the shot to the high value added tech jobs that haven't been shipped overseas.
	This was always a compensation.
	This is one of the reasons their margins are so high.
	They bring indentured servants over here.
	They house them.
	Their lifestyle is terrible because they got this and you're through the golden door.
	Five years will give you a green card and chain migration.
	Boom.
	How's that?
	So you're going to be an indentured servant.
	Just like many of our great-great-grandparents did coming in the 19th century, before we broke indentured servitude.
	And we're going to break it here.
	Here's our position.
	You're not going to reform it because we're going to get it shut down, all of it.
	It should be the top.
	If Elon Musk's number one thing was doge for America first, American citizens, this would be the top of something to take off, to take it down.
	Why is it not?
	Because I believe his agenda is how to become the first trillionaire.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying.
	If we look at Doge and weighing out over the defense budget, it's not to protect the defense budget, it's to start to deconstruct the defense budget.
	Because if we used economic warfare and, hey, gave our mortal enemies, the Chinese Communist Party, no access to capital in the United States and no access to our technology, which they steal, I don't know, they say $600 billion a year.
	I'm just quoting what studies show.
	If you stop that, maybe they wouldn't be a peer competitor in the East China Sea and the South China Sea.
	Let me repeat this.
	There have been some people, and as I put up stuff, I said, Steve, we have to have a group hug.
	No, no.
	This is central to how they gutted the middle class in this country.
	And we haven't fought these battles over years and years and years to allow American citizens of every race, ethnicity, religion be gutted by the sociopathic overlords in Silicon Valley.
	So no, David Sachs and Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk.
	No, you're complete collapse and you think, oh, we're just trying to reform it.
	We're just trying to have a conversation.
	We're going to reform it.
	No, there's no reformation.
	No reform.
	We want it gone.
	We demand that it's gone.
	we're going to fight for this and not just gone.
	I've got another alternative.
	We We want reparations for the tech workers that you stole their lives.
	You stole their lives.
	These are people that played by the rules.
	This is what you have a civic society for.
	These are the men and women, and mostly men, that went to the engineering schools.
	Hey, I went to a land-grade university that's known as a great engineering school.
	You know why I didn't go to the engineering department?
	It was too much work at that time.
	It was just too much work.
	It was too hard.
	They start with like five-hour calculus at eight o'clock in the morning.
	I got up there, said no, came out of military press school.
	I said, you know what I think I want to do?
	I want to go out every night and drink beer, right, and be crazy.
	I don't think I'm going to be ready for eight o'clock in the morning, five days a week for five-hour calculus where they go through all the math I learned in the first two days.
	It's too hard.
	But there were guys that went there every day and went and grinded through these engineering schools.
	And what happened to them?
	You're telling me at 35 or 40 years old, you're taught you're trash?
	And they're importing foreign workers at a third of the salary?
	Vivek, about jock culture.
	We're going to end this segment with the theme song from Philip Kaufman's classic off of Tom Wolfe's brilliant, brilliant book about the Mercury program.
	The right stuff.
	America are the best.
	This is what Make America Great Again means.
	And we can do this with the citizens we have in this nation.
	Disgusting, said their old high-skilled foreign workers.
	You're bringing in slave labor.
	And we're not going to allow it.
	It's not right for those countries, and it's certainly not right for the United States of America, and particularly the citizens of this great republic.
	It is revolting.
	Your hypocrisy, I find it repulsive.
	Short break.
unidentified		Back in a moment Here's your host Stephen K. Vann Okay, welcome back Let me just, this came from the engine room as a reminder of my rant right there.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		When the enemy retreats, pursue.
		You don't sit there and go, let's go to the negotiating table.
		They collapse.
		All this big talk, they're going to fight forever, and this is the most important thing, and this is so important.
		They will fight to the death, and they'll show us warfare.
		You know, when he put that out, F you in the face, you know, Elon, F you in the face, and I'm going to fight in methodologies you haven't even conceived, and we're going to do all this.
		And I put up there, I said, hey, Child Protective Services, somebody call them.
		Get a wellness check on this guy, this toddler.
		Something's wrong.
		And they collapse immediately.
		David Sachs, Vivek Ramaswamy, and they're now looking for, oh yeah, let's have common dialogue.
		There's no common dialogue.
		How about this for common dialogue?
		Unconditional surrender.
		We're not looking for common dialogue.
		This is a scam.
		We're not by skilled foreign immigrants.
		We're high skilled foreign workers.
		Yeah, they're repeated.
		High skilled foreign workers.
		That is a bald-faced lie.
		Of the millions that come in here, start showing them to me.
		Start showing them to me.
		I want to see them.
		I know we're going to have, if you let millions in, I know there's going to be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands.
		They don't have one.
		Not one.
		Not one.
		You want to sit there and accept this?
		Oh, Steve, you know, we're trying to pull this together.
		Do you understand?
		I gave the interview with Sax's guys.
		They're good guys.
		It's a podcast.
		Look, I'm not saying they're bad people.
		They're just dead wrong on this.
		And to throw up these things that were racist was the exact opposite.
		We're building a coalition like 1932. We finally have African-American men and Hispanic men.
		They're prepared to Listen to this and see if they understand it, and in understanding, understand their self-interest, their country's self-interest, their family's self-interest, and build a coalition like 1932 so we can govern for 50 years.
		And the first thing you ought to do is go, oh, you're racist.
		Dude, as I said this in France, I used this thing.
		I said once they can't beat you on the facts, and the facts would be show us the hundreds of thousands of skilled workers you just had to have that American citizens couldn't provide.
		When they do that and they go to racism, you're winning.
		You're winning.
		Have you not learned anything?
		All you cucks that want to just roll over and let's go be bros and skip around.
		We ain't skipping around.
		We're not going to be bros.
		We're fighting for the greatest resource, the greatest nation on earth has its citizens.
		And you look at these people were broken.
		They played by the rules.
		They did everything tough.
		They didn't take the easy jobs.
		They took the hard jobs.
		And what did they get?
		They got blown out.
		Because of the system was rigged against them.
unidentified		Well, we're going to unrig it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Here's our position.
		The program completely goes away.
		All of it.
		And instead of Elon, you saying we're racist and you're going to get us root and stem out of the Republican Party, dude, not on your best day.
		Are you kidding me?
		We're going to get HB1 visas out, root and stem, and all the workers you brought in.
		We want them all.
		Just like we're deporting 15 million here, we want them deported out and give those jobs to American citizens today.
		And we demand they get reparations.
		You stole from them.
		You stole their lives from them.
		Don't talk to me.
		Talk to these tech workers.
		These people are broken.
		Because they played by the rules It's what you want in a civic society, for citizens to play by the rules and be the good householders, because the good householders, it underpins everything.
		It underpins everything.
		This is why you have the liquidity in the capital markets.
		This is why you have everything.
		It's the little guy.
		It's the little platoons of Burke.
		And where were you conservatives?
		Where are you big talking conservatives?
		Limited government, we want this, we want that.
		Where were you when you tapped along year after year a program to gut the middle class and bring in cheaper labor that couldn't do the job any better?
unidentified		And then lie about it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let me repeat this.
		The program from top to bottom is a scam and a con.
		There is nothing in this program that should continue to exist.
		Nothing.
		Nothing.
		The workers that are here on this should be deported as soon as the 15 million that we're going to start deporting on the afternoon of the 20th of January.
		Deport them now.
		And hire American citizens that have the same skill set.
		We're not asking you to go down market because you can't show examples of the high-skilled foreign workers.
		These are coders that are going to work for a third of the salaries and work like indentured servants.
		That's not American citizens.
unidentified		Sorry.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And I think there needs to be massive reparations from the sociopathic overlords in Silicon Valley.
		So look, note one, when the enemy's in retreat, you put the bayonet on and you pursue and you pursue and you pursue until you break them.
		This is not a game.
		This is people's lives.
		This is the direction of this country.
		This is this country.
		It's all there.
		Just that we won on November 5th, I keep telling you, you think it's done?
		Look what President Trump's got to face.
		You got Janet Yellen messing with the balance sheet.
		You got Ed Dowd saying, what I've been saying, this thing, they have specifically messed with the balance sheet, so Trump comes in, he's jammed up.
		You got the Russians are now looking at another offensive around curse, and we just put another $2.5 billion so that more Ukrainians can die on the battlefield.
		The Persians are heading towards a nuclear weapon.
		We've still got a couple of carry battle groups in the Red Sea protecting the European elites for the Suez Canal.
		And you've got the Chinese Communist Party all set to roll on Taiwan.
		Oh, by the way, you've got 15 million illegal aliens who've got to deport.
		And they're talking about, I don't know, the holding stations.
		Do you think that's going to be an easy?
		Do you think we roll over here and they go, Steve, it's just visas.
		It's not visas.
		Wake up!
		The economic model had two parts to it, three parts to it.
		Allow flooding of the zone of unskilled workers to drive down the wages of unskilled workers, low-skilled workers.
		Two, ship as many factories and high-value manufacturing jobs overseas with private equity and venture capital overseas, particularly at the time to China.
		To allow Beijing, the common man and woman, the decent, hardworking common woman in China, be used as a slave, an industrial slave, at one-tenth or one-one-hundredth of the salary in labor protections and environmental protections.
		So that they could basically export their excess capacity of the state-owned industries, the crony capitalism owned and operated by the Chinese Communist Party, the worst dictatorship in the history of the world, and I include Stalin, and I include Hitler in that.
		Those two were junior varsity compared to the Chinese Communist Party.
		They only killed 200 million, murdered 200 million of their people, and by the way, murdered another 400 million abortions.
		And last but not least, let's just do it here in the good old United States of America.
		We don't have to move it since most of these are algorithms, don't lie to a lot of factories.
		Let's just say the Americans, what'd you say, Elon?
		You said they're too retarded and lazy.
		Too retarded and lazy.
		And Vivek, you know, we gotta have spelling bee culture, not jock culture.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
		The Americans are retarded.
		The Americans are dumb.
		The Americans are lazy.
		Well, I beg to differ.
		I'm not woke.
		Oh, woke on the right?
		These are facts.
		And you can't show any facts on your side about H-1B visas.
		Let me repeat this in case anyone at home is missing.
		This is a total and complete scam.
		And we're not looking for your surrender.
		We're not looking for your negotiation.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, you're right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		There are some abuses.
		Did you know this, David?
		It's been abused.
		Oh, I didn't know that.
		Has it been abused, Elon?
		Yeah, it's been abused.
		Oh, we'll reform it.
		You're not going to reform it because we're going to do away.
		We want to see you at the top of Doge.
		If Doge is anything, put it at the top.
		Complete and total elimination.
		And how about this?
		Throw it in.
		Here's an extra.
		Deport all of them now.
		And let's hire people that check the top box.
		Yes, I'm a citizen of the United States of America.
		I want to bring in Kevin Lynn from U.S. Tech Worker and the Institute for Sound Public Policy.
		Kevin, we've just got a minute or so here.
		Because my rant took up a little bit.
		But you were spot on.
		Give me just a summary.
unidentified		You were spot on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So I'm that crazy on this topic?
unidentified		No.
		Let's bust some myths out here.
		Number one, the H-1B visa was created in the Immigration Act of 1990 that was signed into law by George H. Bush.
		It was predicated on a lie that we were going to be short, from the 80s, we were going to be short some 675,000 STEM workers.
		In order to head off disaster, we were going to have to import all these skilled workers.
		Well, two things.
		One, in a market economy, long-term labor shortages don't exist.
		Why?
		Because workers will They'll gravitate to where the demand is.
		Because demand creates higher wages, better benefits, more job security.
		And they did.
		Americans learned to code.
		Men and women.
		There were more women working in the 80s and early 90s in computer science than there are today.
		So, back to the H-1B visa and the Immigration Act in 1990. So, number one, This...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I tell you what, hang on, hang on.
		Mike, Mike, hang on one second.
		Hang on.
		I want to give you plenty of runway to go through this.
		So people know I'm just not a raving madman.
		This is based on facts.
		It's a total and complete scam, a con.
		It must be eliminated 100%, and we need to give it a Carthaginian piece.
		That's the piece we want, bros.
		Tech bros, salt the earth around it.
		Export, deport the foreign workers today.
		Hire Americans today.
		And then we'll sit down.
		We will have a discussion and talk about reparations for the American worker.
		Yep, that's where we are.
		The R word.
		You stole their future.
		So we're going to try to get a little bit back.
		Here in the war room.
unidentified		short break music plays
unidentified		music plays - Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Kevin Lynn's going to jump back in a second.
		Allison Hoon is also here.
		She's going to join us.
		I've got the great Will Upton.
		Will was over at the Treasury Department in President Trump's first term.
		And hopefully, if we're successful, Will will be somewhere in a senior position in the second term.
		Will joins us, one of the senior guys over at the National Pulse.
		You've done some analysis.
		So, Cain put up this report.
		That blew everybody away over the weekend.
		It turns out there may be some technical issues with the report, and of course the guys are saying, oh, we just need to reform it all over that, but it's really not that important.
		Your assessment, you've gone through this and you've gone through the real data, Will, and you're a numbers guy from Treasury.
		Just walk me through.
		I say the H-1B visa is a total and complete scam, but I want people to know the scale of this and what we're sitting on right now.
		Can you just walk us through a brief summary of your findings, sir?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		So I pulled data from the fiscal year 2023 report from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.
		So they're the ones that oversee these visa applications, USCIS. This is the most recent data we have from the government.
		There were a total of a little over 386,559 requests.
		For H-1B visas, 386,318 were approved.
		So you have an approval rate of about 99.9%.
		Grant, this is an environment where the Department of Justice has fined Cognizant and Infosys and some of these other sort of H-1B mills, almost, where they contract these guys, these H-1B visa workers, out to big tech companies.
		They fined them, but they haven't shut them down.
		So this 99.9% approval rate is, I think, somewhat illuminating in terms of, you know, what the scam is here.
		The median income of these workers, according to the government data, is $118,000 a year.
		The Silicon Valley Index for 2024 shows that workers in big tech earn around a median income of $189,000 a year.
		That's, you know, roughly a $70,000 difference.
		One of the more interesting data points is that while David Sachs and Musk and a lot of these guys are claiming that we need to double or triple the amount of H-1B workers we have, in the fiscal year 2022, there were actually 442,000 approved H-1B workers.
		And that actually decreased into the fiscal year 2023, which suggests that demand for H1P workers has actually gone down, that there isn't this labor shortage that they claim that there is, and that a lot of these companies actually don't need all of these workers.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But hang on.
		They're always going to want to get it because they're getting labor 30% cheaper, not just at the hours.
		I want to go back to – but here's the central point.
		I don't want to talk about the – The golf course pros and the English teachers here.
		Yeah, but that's all noise.
		It's a huge offensive issue.
		But the central beating heart of this problem is high-tech workers.
		Please tell me in these 300,000...
		By the way, that's just the ones that are there today.
		Remember, here's the con.
		They come over here on this visa.
		They get eventually four or five years of being an indentured server.
		They get a green card, then chain migration.
unidentified		There are millions, millions, millions.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the con.
		Brother, I know that David Sachs and Elon and Vivek tell me that these are Einstein's.
		These are all the geniuses.
		American workers, and I quote, are too retarded and too lazy to take these jobs.
		Is the academic performance of these folks so blow-away that we couldn't even put up American workers against them, sir?
unidentified		The government data says that's completely not the case.
		Over a third of these workers have a bachelor's degree.
		Only 22% in the fiscal year 2023 had a master's degree.
		Only 8% had a PhD.
		Most of these workers have either a bachelor's degree or some degree of technical training.
		But they're not like what you would see with an O-1 visa.
		These aren't the top of the top, the sort of crème de la crème of geniuses or anything.
		These are mostly just people that are relatively equivalent to your average U.S. worker within the tech industry that has a bachelor's degree that knows some degree of coding or has gone through kind of a bootstrap kind of training program.
		And that's pretty much the extent of it.
		They just get paid $70,000 less.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they get paid 30% less, and they work in hellhole conditions because they're indentured servants.
		We're allowing this to happen, and the sociopathic overlords have no problem having indentured servants that are taking the jobs of people that are citizens of this country, and their families have fought for this country, and built this country, and who's on their shoulders, rest the full faith and credit of this country.
		This is the con.
		This is a scam.
		Let me repeat.
		It is a total and complete scam from top to bottom.
		We're not looking to reform this system.
		We want its total and complete elimination, and we want it at the top as number one of Doge.
		We want Doge to say this has to be eliminated fully, and we should deport these workers today, and we should then hire American workers to take their place, and then we can sit down and have a negotiation on what reparations are for stealing these people's future.
		Kevin Lynn, hang on Will, I'm going to come back to you.
		Kevin Lynn, your assessment, am I too far off on this?
unidentified		No, you're not far off at all.
		Again, getting back to how this bill was created, the Immigration Reform Act in 1990 that created the H-1B visa, it was designed, I used to say it was being abused, but the fact is, it was designed to displace American workers.
		That companies felt were expensive, undeserving, and expendable.
		And the proof is in the pudding here, because when they file what they call a labor condition application, an LCA, for a job they want a foreigner for, unlike the H-2A, the ag visa, the H-2B, the seasonal worker visa, they don't have to in any way demonstrate that they couldn't find an American for that position.
		Second thing, It's not a meritocracy.
		So the 85,000 plus another, roughly another 30,000 that come in every year on the H-1B visa, it's a lottery.
		So someone who graduates, let's say they're at India Institute of Technology, they get a PhD.
		They have as much chance of getting an H-1B as someone with an associate's or a B-tech degree from Bangalore Community College.
		And so it doesn't matter.
		All they want are heads in a bed.
		As you mentioned before, Steve, it's supply and demand.
		And again, the corporations, when they got together and created this program with the corporatocracy, our government, they knew darned well that this program would be used to displace Americans, and it has been.
		Companies like Disney, Northeast Utilities, Abbott Labs, SoCal Edison, hundreds of others.
		So it's illegal to replace an American one-to-one with a foreigner.
		That would be, well, country of origin discrimination.
		So what they do is they contract with H-1B visa-dependent Indian, typically Indian, sometimes it's my old alma mater, Ernst& Young is as big an abuser as this, as anyone, consulting firms that will outsource whole departments, like IT departments.
		What we've seen for two decades was, like at Disney, a woman was called in.
		She'd been with them for 12 years, database programmer, highly skilled.
		She thought she was going to get promoted when they called her in, but they called her in a letter and they were going to fire her.
		And she was going to have to get a sovereign.
		She was going to have to train her H-1B visa.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		A replacement.
		This is how this thing works.
		And it's gotten only more insidious.
		Again, it's not a meritocracy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hang on.
		Slow down.
		Because the Disney thing, I covered at Breitbart.
		That was a big deal in the 16 campaign.
		It was horrible.
		Even 60 Minutes finally awakened to the fact that this was going on after we rubbed their nose in it.
unidentified		Absolutely.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But I want to go back to the...
		Because skilled immigrant workers, high-skilled foreign workers...
		This is the beating heart of it.
		I don't care about the other teachers.
		That obviously has got to go away.
		In government contracts, it's insane.
		Teachers at VMI, Virginia Military Institute.
		I want to focus on the tech because this is the heart of it.
		Are these high-skilled foreign workers, are there any skill set that they're bringing that makes them more skilled than American workers, sir?
unidentified		No, these are very ordinary workers.
		Again, you wouldn't have to train your replacement if you were far more capable than them.
		And oftentimes these fail.
		Like at Northeast Utilities, they did that whole replacement thing, but then they had to get rid of that consulting firm because they didn't have the skilled talent, ultimately.
		So these are not skilled workers.
		And you had mentioned earlier the accusations of racism.
		Well, this is funny because 74% of all H-1B visa holders come from one country, Steve, India.
		How is that?
		If we're looking for the best and the brightest in the world, how is it all concentrated in India?
		Excuse me?
		So, It's not the best and the brightest.
		It's a program that was designed to displace Americans right from the get-go.
		Again, it's not being abused.
		It's working exactly the way it was designed.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I want to defend...
		India is one of the great ancient civilizations.
		It's got a very deep philosophy, the Vedanta, the Gita, on culture, on...
		And by the way, the kids, and particularly IIT. IIT, their equivalent to MIT, is the hardest school to get into the world.
		I know many graduates are there.
		And they do have a...
		That every kid's got to win the spelling bee or, you know, perform in mathematics from a very early age.
		That's kind of Vivek's, you know, spelling bee culture, right?
		Or valedictorian culture, right?
		That's not our culture.
		And my point is, if they were demonstrably...
unidentified		Hang on, Kevin, hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If they could show us by the people they hired...
		That these were higher skilled workers, or skilled immigrants, than American citizens, you can have the debate and we can have the argument.
		There is no debate here.
		The facts are overwhelming.
		They did it because the Indians, to get through the Golden Door, yes, will become indentured servants.
		They will become indentured servants.
		They will sacrifice themselves and the $60,000 and come over here and live, tend to a house, and work nonstop.
		To go through the golden door and eventually get a green card and eventually get chain migration.
		But at the cost of American society.
		Go ahead, sir.
		Keep going.
unidentified		The indentured aspect is often downplayed because, yes, they are cheaper, but that indentured aspect that you mentioned, Steve, is really important.
		For instance, I was talking to a guy who had about 80 reports with him at Cisco, and he said, well, Kev, at Cisco, we pay our folks the same and But what they get out of it is a worker that is really compliant.
		So if you're here on an H-1B, you're here for three years, and then you can extend for three years.
		Now, baked into the cake with this visa, where it's not like any other employment visa, and you mentioned this briefly earlier, Steve, it's a dual intent.
		So if you come on an H-1B, your employer can decide to, yes or no, Give you a pathway to citizenship by sponsoring you for a green card.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hang on, Kevin.
		Hang on.
		Hang on.
		We're going to get to that.
		We'll take a break.
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		Short commercial break.
		Back on the total and complete scam of H-1B visas.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're still waiting for the counter-argument that shows that these were high-skilled foreign workers that were more skilled than citizens of this country.
unidentified		you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Skilled immigrant workers, you see the mantra they put out?
		It's a lie.
		It's not a tiny lie, it's a bald-faced lie.
		And for you saying, a couple of people saying, oh, well, you got, you know, we just have to have a group hug and, you know, don't distract.
		What are you talking about?
		Do you understand the firestorm we're about to hit?
		Do you think on the afternoon, the 20th, that these guys, remember I was doing the podcast and the guy asked me, Sax's co-host, good guy, this is on election night, he says, well, it looks like you're going to win, you know, the deportations, that's not real.
		I said, yeah, it's real, 15 million.
		He goes, oh, you can't, what, what, what?
		He was gasping for breath, about to have a heart attack.
		Don't even know if he took the vaccine.
		I don't know if it's myocarditis or just the...
		No, we're dug in.
		All 15 men got to go home.
		Well, guess what?
		All these phony H-1B visas, phony, they got to go home.
		Home.
		And the job's got to go to America.
		And hey, we'll put the resumes up of what American workers do.
		No, but here's the deeper con to this.
		It is the green card and then the citizenship and then the chain migration.
		Kevin Lind, walk me through that process, sir, because this is the long con.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
		So, the reason we call this indentured servitude is the...
		Employer gets to dangle the carrot of a pathway to citizenship in front of this worker.
		So they're going to do whatever they're told.
		Let's say they'll work 80 hours if they have to.
		They'll work for less if they have to.
		They will turn a blind eye to any graft or corruption that could be going on at that company that might deserve a whistle being blown.
		So what the employer will do then, right about the sixth year, is they'll offer them to sponsor them for a green card.
		And when that happens, now with most people from most countries, they'll get that green card in a couple years.
		In the case of India, because of this Only because of this H-1B visa and the dual intent nature of it, there is a backlog.
		Because we have country caps, we don't want any one country to dominate our immigration system.
		And right now, even though the cap is set at 7% per country, because we allow for overflow when a country doesn't hit its quota, Anywhere from 25 to 30% of all green card employment visas issued go to one country, India.
		And they're claiming racism.
		It's just, it's absolute rubbish.
		So, again, that's the indentured.
		We talked about they're cheaper, they're indentured.
		What's not to like if you're a heartless capitalist?
		You don't care about, you don't put Americans first.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, hang on for one second.
		I want to introduce Allison Nguyen.
		Allison, thank you for joining us.
		You're actually, I guess, pretty prominent in the Democratic Party, but you've had an awakening.
		Talk to me about this whole visa situation and the gutting of American citizens, the gutting of our workforce to bring in workers who are not even at the same skill level, but to bring them in because they're cheaper labor, ma'am.
unidentified		Yeah, so I have a unique perspective because I was an insider at Big Tech really early on with Google.
		I helped to come up with the text-based advertising that eventually became AdWords.
		And my husband for 25 years wrote the original Google search engine at Stanford.
		So when we were going to college at Stanford and my co-ed engineering fraternity where we helped to write the business plan for Google and a lot of the early employees at the big tech, Facebook, Google came from there.
		We were all Americans and, you know, we didn't have that.
		Some of them were on student visas, but we didn't have the H-1B visas.
		You know, in the founding team, they were mostly just Americans from what I recall in the mid-90s.
		And so somewhere along the line, they became heartless, capitalist.
		Do no evil became as...
		As Mr. Lin would say, you know, make as much money as you can.
		And they hired the CFOs and they figured out the loopholes to replace American workers so that way you get the cheaper inflow of workers.
		I, myself, love Elon Musk.
		I think he's a great visionary.
		He's done so much for our country and the world in terms of electric cars.
		He opened up that industry, space exploration.
		And I'm excited for Doge.
		And I personally know him.
		We went on vacation with him years ago.
		And he gave my daughter and I his private suite on the private jet.
		And, you know, he wakes up really early in the morning.
		He was playing chess with my daughter before everyone else did.
		And he's the last one to go to sleep.
		Always working.
		Always thinking about serving other people.
		So I only have...
		Good personal experience with Mr. Musk, and I love what he's done in terms of technology innovation, a great risk taker.
		I do take some of what Mr. Vivek Ramaswamy has said about the American culture.
		I disagree with him.
		I myself love dance at Stanford.
		I had two activities, which was our engineering co-ed fraternity and my dance group, the 24-hour dance group, and I think dancing and sports, and I played semi-professional tennis.
		I was in a varsity tennis team, and we traveled around from a young age, and I know my friends who were in football, baseball, This American culture is really fundamental to what gives America the edge in terms of innovation, creativity, risk-taking.
		It's a secret sauce, right?
		We may not have the best math scores.
		We may not have the best science scores, but it's like Tom Brady.
		Hey, he didn't...
		He wasn't the fastest quarterback.
		If you look at his college recruiting role, he was the slowest runner.
		And he got recruited 199 out of 200. But what he offered was not just his...
		Exactly.
		It's his leadership.
		In America, we have leadership.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Allison, hang on one second.
		We'll take a break.
		Go to the top of the hour.
		What Allison's saying is Tom Brady had the right stuff.
		Remember, there were seven, I think, seven quarterbacks drafted before him.
		Didn't even start all his senior season at the University of Michigan.
unidentified		Brought a baseball player back from the Yankees to start for a couple of games.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He had the right stuff.
		Just like this nation, short commercial break.
		Kevin Lynn, Allison, Kevin Lynch, Allison Wynn, and Will Upton will join us after a short commercial break.

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