Dec. 14, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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MAGA media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| Saturday, 14 December, year of our Lord, 2024. Since the conversation was so amazing the other day, I wanted to come back on Saturday before the Army-Navy game, right at 3 o'clock. | ||
| President is going to be there. | ||
| That would be President Donald John Trump. | ||
| Doing what we did back in 16 is a show of force since Biden, the illegitimate regime, has basically blown off the field in every other aspect. | ||
| Just put a... | ||
| In their grill at the Army-Navy game today. | ||
| Very honored now to have Cleo Pascal and Colonel Grant Newsham. | ||
| Is that how you pronounce your last name? | ||
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Sure. | |
| I know you're Canadian, so I want to be very sensitive here, since we haven't negotiated a deal yet for the 51st state. | ||
| Please, please take us over. | ||
| Okay, here's a question. | ||
| Are we at war with the Chinese Communist Party? | ||
| I'm going to start with you. | ||
| Are we at war with the Chinese? | ||
| Are you guys just like us? | ||
| Because I'm fully sanctioned. | ||
| I'm the only civilian in the history of this country to be fully sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And it happened at one minute after noon on the 20th of January 2021. And Pompeo, Navarro, Pottinger, and myself, and those three were still in the government at the time I was out. | ||
| So if we can't have anything to do with any Chinese companies, we never traveled to To Hong Kong or to the mainland, never visit any friends over there. | ||
| I spent years in and out of Shanghai and other places. | ||
| And we would be pressing the bet if we went to Taiwan, right? | ||
| So the question is, they say, well, Bannon, he's got this new federal state and all these crazies, and they're saying take down the CCP and Lao Baicheng is going to win and everything like that. | ||
| But in this town, as you know, there's a very different attitude about the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And so they look at us as kind of – where we may have forced our way into the mainstream in populist politics and national economics and winning elections and putting fear of God. | ||
| In this regard, we've changed the discussion, the conversation, because now people are focusing on the CCP versus the Chinese people. | ||
| But it's still fringy in the fact of this town, no matter how they talk, are all best-case accommodationists and worst-case collaborators. | ||
| And so we are the fringe. | ||
| We say we want to confront these people. | ||
| You know, the book by, was it Josh Rogan from the Washington Post, which I still think is the best book written about President Trump during their first term, was a mandate chaos under heaven. | ||
| It was about Xi versus Trump. | ||
| And he said you had, traditionally, you had hawks, right? | ||
| And you'd like put Pompeii on these guys. | ||
| And then you had moderates. | ||
| And then you had the Wall Street crowd, which accommodation is. | ||
| But in Trump's thing, you had a new group Of Bannon, Navarro, and Stephen Miller a lot of times. | ||
| And they fundamentally question the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party as even a government. | ||
| We should be dealing with everything and everything should be focused on their takedown. | ||
| Now, so people know when they come to War Room, you're in the hardest core of the hardcore. | ||
| But, and we say it all the time, so make the case, if you're saying we're at war with the Chinese Communist Party and already at war with them, what facts do you bring for that, other than the fact you're just another crazy person over at the War Room screaming into the microphone, ma'am? | ||
| They declared war on the US. So if you take a look at what's in the publications in China Daily or Global Times from at least 2019, they talk about a people's war. | ||
| That is Chinese Communist Party language for being at war. | ||
| And those are official publications. | ||
| You don't write that by accident. | ||
| And I think one of the things- What do you mean official? | ||
| One's a tabloid, the other's a newspaper. | ||
| What do you mean official publications? | ||
| You don't publish something like that in China Daily or Global Times and keep your job or your head if the regime doesn't like it. | ||
| And the term people's work- They're like Pravda used to be with the Soviet Union. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think- What would be helpful is taking a look at the word war, right? | ||
| Their version of war is very different than our version of war. | ||
| It's much more comprehensive. | ||
| Part of George Washington's farewell address was the description of the U.S. as a detached and distant land. | ||
| Which gave room to the isolationists to say we have an option to be isolated from the rest of the world. | ||
| It's our decision whether or not to get engaged in these foreign conflicts or not. | ||
| And you have, you can otherwise, you've got compliant Canada on one side and Mexico that can be beaten down on the other. | ||
| But you are effectively a strategic island. | ||
| What the Chinese Communist Party has Very specifically set out to do is erase the distance between the Chinese Communist Party ability to reach into the US and that island. | ||
| So what you see in terms of warfare, and Colonel Newsham has written about this extensively in his book, are things like chemical warfare with the use of fentanyl. | ||
| It's a race distance. | ||
| They're hitting the US now. | ||
| Colonel Newsham will talk about it more. | ||
| Economic warfare, the way that it's used the WTO, bribery, coercion to get into the U.S. economy and destroy it from the inside. | ||
| Biological warfare, where they blocked internal flights from Wuhan but pushed external flights, including into the U.S., specifically pushed for a very long time to keep exporting people who they knew a percentage of whom would likely be able to carry disease into the U.S., | ||
| So if you look across a whole range of the spectrum of warfare, you'll see that the attacks happening within the U.S., and don't forget cyber, obviously the fifth columnists in terms of people who are taking money from the Chinese, they've declared war, but they're also waging a war through erasing that distance that buffered the U.S. for centuries. | ||
| So now it's a rearguard action on the part of the U.S. This is what you talk about often on the war room. | ||
| The fight isn't necessarily just Taiwan. | ||
| The fight is cleaning up what's here. | ||
| Now, who's walking across the border? | ||
| We talked here the other day, we talked about... | ||
| Chinese arriving in the United States in the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas without a visa, illegally taking boats to Guam and wandering around the military bases. | ||
| Look at the land purchases and strategic locations. | ||
| So this is across the board. | ||
| It would be very hard to make an economic justification for the activities that the Chinese Communist Party is doing in the United States if it wasn't part of a strategic plan. | ||
| To erode the United States from the inside, a sort of entropic warfare, right? | ||
| Where you degrade it and weaken it to get to the point where, you know, you'll hear the term win without fighting, but the actual translation is get the other side to submit without fighting. | ||
| And submission is a permanent state. | ||
| Winning is one-off. | ||
| You beat the Japanese, you sign a piece of paper, you help Japan rebuild. | ||
| You get the other side to submit. | ||
| That is permanent. | ||
| You are in a permanent state of submission. | ||
| That's a very different definition of winning. | ||
| So I would argue that the West may not think it's at war with China. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party organs have said they are. | ||
| You were a Marine Corps colonel, right? | ||
| Yes, that's right. | ||
| You can't get too close to that thing. | ||
| You, at one time, were the oldest colonel in the Marine Corps, were you not? | ||
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I was pretty close to it, if not the oldest one. | |
| Your book is provocative, even when I first got it, just by the title, When China Attacks. | ||
| You don't say if China's going to attack, why they're going to attack. | ||
| You say when they're going to attack, and the book is so frightening to people because you go through very specific details of when they attack. | ||
| Now, the center of the gravity of the book is more the kinetic part. | ||
| You lead up to it. | ||
| But when you say when China attacks, on that Colonel Grant Newsham spectrum, where are we right now? | ||
| Are they already in attack mode, but it just are through non-kinetic means? | ||
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Oh, definitely. | |
| And I would say the kinetic part, the shooting, if it comes, that will actually almost be an afterthought. | ||
| They've been at it for at least 30 years against us. | ||
| And as mentioned, the attack is economic, it's on the chemical front, psychological front even, where you've gotten America's elites to think that China's not a threat, that we just have to treat them nicely and they'll become like a giant Canada. | ||
| The chemical warfare against us, which we've talked about before, has just been astonishing in how much harm it has caused us. | ||
| The economic front that we've mentioned, if you just want to see what that's like, go up to a place like Baltimore. | ||
| Go to somewhere like Sparrows Point, where there used to be a steel mill. | ||
| There used to be neighborhoods there with hard-working people. | ||
| It's all gone. | ||
| And that is not just coincidence. | ||
| It's not just economic forces at work, but rather these were conscious decisions made by Americans who were targeted by the Chinese communists. | ||
| I want to go back to the history of this and that maybe we through your guys' history. | ||
| If memory serves me correctly, Our involvement in the shooting part of World War II, the kinetic part, happened on December 7th of 1941. But the war had been actually going on for six years, the kinetic part. | ||
| You had had the Imperial Japanese invaded Manchuria, kind of kicked things off. | ||
| You had the Spanish Civil War. | ||
| You had Munich. | ||
| You had everything to do with Czechoslovakia and Australia. | ||
| Then you had the invasion of the deal first with You had the Blitz, you had the fall of France, one thing after another, then Poland, 39, and then finally the Russian Wehrmacht invades, and then in June in 1941. So six years of not just a lead up and a build up, but actually people dying on battlefields all throughout the world. | ||
| And then in that fight, the Russian people and the Chinese people were actually allies. | ||
| You know, we had Chiang Kai-shek, the communists over there. | ||
| But Lao Ba-Jing and the Russian peasants or serfs took the brunt of the kinetic part of that war against Imperial Japan and the Wehrmacht. | ||
| I don't know, 35 million dead in China, 65 million dead in Russia. | ||
| And I realized a lot of the Chinese were fighting each other and not fighting the Japanese. | ||
| But at the end of the day, with what's still well in these guys, they were allies. | ||
| How did we end up in a place at the end of that conflict? | ||
| That the Chinese people who, you know, it's Sunday at Senate, come over here, raise a ton of money. | ||
| I remember the Catholics, even as a kid, you're sending money for the orphans in China. | ||
| How do we get into a situation that the Chinese at the end of World War II being our ally ended up in the communist hands and we end up 80 years later that we've built actually a monster that could devour us? | ||
| Let's start with Cleo and then we can go to Nushin. | ||
| There was a period where certain people – I'm going to jump sort of to the middle period, to the Nixon-Kissinger period. | ||
| You don't want to talk about us giving the country over in 1949? | ||
| Because didn't we give the country – look, McCarthy and these guys were right about something. | ||
| I mean, people talk about the rise of McCarthy. | ||
| McCarthy, they lose the fact – McCarthy, what galvanized the elites in our country in the late 40s was who was responsible for the fall of China. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People today think, well, the Chinese things are going to come. | ||
| I said, no, since the beginning of the post-war era, Russia was bad enough with the atomic bomb, the hydrogen bomb, but at first it triggered all the anti-communist witch hunts, which I think were justified because there were communists all over, which China was an ally. | ||
| And then the next time you look around and Mao Zedong and these communists are controlling it and we're out, right, after all that sacrifice. | ||
| So wasn't that the elites in our country have always kind of been in bed with these guys? | ||
| There were efforts. | ||
| So after the war, when the U.S. was still in control of a lot of the Pacific, including Saipan, the CIA ran an operation on Saipan through the Naval Technical Training Unit, where they were training Taiwanese to parachute into China. | ||
| It did not end well for those... | ||
| For the Taiwanese, the trainees. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So there were parts of the structure that saw what was coming and were concerned about it and were trying to do something about it. | ||
| Well, Brother John Birch was one of these guys, right? | ||
| Wasn't he a guy that ended up... | ||
| It ended up killed, right, by the Communists on a railroad track, what, up in Manchuria or somewhere near there? | ||
| That I defer to the Colonel. | ||
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Not that he's a hero of mine, but he is a hero of mine. | |
| Yeah, so the point is that there were elements saying... | ||
| No, there's always patriots who realize what we're going to do, but my point is the official... | ||
| General Marshall goes over there, hangs out for a week in the mountains, and next thing you know, the Chinese, we turned it over to the Chinese Communist Party, did we not? | ||
| And I'm not trying to be a revisionist historian, but these people got to look at us and say, hey, these guys gave us up once. | ||
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You also had at that time, it's very impressive actually, the Chinese Communist subversion of the Nationalist government. | |
| And they had been working on that for decades. | ||
| And you found within the Chinese military, you had guys who were basically generals who were Chinese agents, Communist agents. | ||
| And when the time came, they just moved to the other side, but also working on the US side. | ||
| Within the U.S. government, you had people who referred to the communists as just agrarian reformers. | ||
| These were honest people who said that Chiang Kai-shek was corrupt. | ||
| Well, Chiang Kai-shek was corrupt. | ||
| He was. | ||
| Hang on for one second. | ||
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| Here's what we're going to do. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| The entire hour, we're going to talk about the Chinese Communist Party, and I'm going to press my two guests. | ||
| Are we actually at war? | ||
| Is this more fever swamp fantasy from the far right? | ||
| Because we've always wanted to get it on with the communists, right? | ||
| We're sad that the Soviet Union collapsed, so we've got to pick on more communists. | ||
| So we're going to pick on the poor Chinese Communist Party. | ||
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I'm American made. | |
| War Room. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| Did we turn, did the United States government and senior officials of the United States government allow or turn over China to the communists with no, I mean, I realize they infiltrated and they had a civil war and certain guys are flipping sides, but there were people over here that knew better, right? | ||
| I mean, if the Chinese had not, it was not bled out of Imperial Japan's major land force. | ||
| On the mainland, in Manchuria, the island hopping to get to Saipan would have been another million guys dead, right? | ||
| And it would have been four years later. | ||
| One of the reasons we could get where we could get is that the Chinese took the brunt of it, correct? | ||
| And I realize they're double dealing and triple dealing. | ||
| If you read Stillwell and trying to read any of the books on it, you can't tell who's the good guys and who's the bad guys because they're double dealing everybody. | ||
| But that's just China. | ||
| Because after 10,000 years of a great civilization, you've had no freedom. | ||
| You either had emperors or warlords. | ||
| You understand that you've got to play both sides against the middle constantly, right? | ||
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They're good at it, no question about it. | |
| The Marines also actually regarded the Chinese Communists pretty well, actually. | ||
| There was a fellow named Evans Carlson and Red Mike Edson, who had been with the Chinese Communists in the 30s and came and said, well, these guys are egalitarians, they're good fighters, and this expression gung-ho is one that they introduced into the Marine Corps. | ||
| And you found that sort of thinking within not just the Marines, but also in, I think, the U.S. intelligence. | ||
| Because people, Davies and these guys, they did admire them after the 10,000, the long march and living up in the mountains. | ||
| And they had an egalitarian. | ||
| Maybe the... | ||
| Criminal mentality of – because didn't – when the Long March was over and they got in the mountains, the first thing Mao wanted to do was shoot all the – he executed all the top guys around him because he didn't want any – I think Xi's father was somehow involved in this or as a – they didn't want – he didn't want good guys around him. | ||
| He wanted to kill them all, right? | ||
| So they always had a gangster mentality. | ||
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Yeah, that's the nature of the Chinese Communist Party. | |
| What do you mean? | ||
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Actually, it resembles an organized crime group if you look at the top management. | |
| It's all about power. | ||
| It's about domination. | ||
| There's no idea of sharing power. | ||
| It's all about power and control. | ||
| And I spent a long time dealing with Japanese organized crime. | ||
| And when I look at the CCP, I don't look at a legitimate sort of form of government. | ||
| I just see an organized crime group. | ||
| Okay, we have... | ||
| Jump in here. | ||
| You've got all of Wall Street's in business with them. | ||
| You've got Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan. | ||
| I'm not talking marginally of bucket shops. | ||
| I'm talking about the premier fiduciaries on Wall Street. | ||
| Larry Fink's saying the most important thing you do is open up China to Larry Fink's financial markets. | ||
| You've got every tech company that's in business with them. | ||
| Elon Musk, the reason Elon Musk has such a fight all the time is, you know, I'm saying he's doing business with these guys with Tesla and taking their money and all that. | ||
| So you have – and you have every guy in here in the U.S. They may talk tough in front of a microphone, but they all want to be in business with them. | ||
| So how can they – do they not realize that they are an organized crime apparatus syndicate and nothing more than that? | ||
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That's always puzzled me because if you had, say, a similar situation and set up, say, in North Carolina, nobody would do business there. | |
| But because it's China, people just go insane. | ||
| It's the smell of money, what have you. | ||
| And everyone thinks, well, it's going to be different for me. | ||
| These guys really like us. | ||
| And if you want to understand how the Chinese Communist Party works, watch a series of season of The Sopranos. | ||
| And that would probably do you just as well as getting a... | ||
| Is this racial in any way? | ||
| If this was a white country, let's say Italy or France or Hungary, And they operated like they operate here. | ||
| Would the elites in the United States Actually, because – and I don't try to overplay this, but if you look at Hitler and you look at Stalin and you look at Mao, they're all monsters. | ||
| I would argue in the monster gradation, I would actually put Mao at the first because he killed 100 million of his people. | ||
| And he would kill 100 million more if he had to, right? | ||
| And I mean in the most brutal way possible, starving him to death, torturing him to death. | ||
| Right? | ||
| With the collectivization of the farms, the great hunger, the great leap forward, every failure he had. | ||
| He didn't care how many he killed. | ||
| This guy was truly a monster. | ||
| Don't they understand? | ||
| Do they not understand they're in business with the direct descendants politically and culturally and socially of monsters? | ||
| So I would like to just talk about this a little bit from the Canadian historical perspective. | ||
| I know this is not something that usually attracts people. | ||
| But since you're going to be the new 51st state, according to our beloved president, we would love to hear. | ||
| Since we failed three times to take you guys over militarily, we would love to have your opinion here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And this is going to give you another reason to want to take over Canada, because some of this at least tracks back to Canada. | ||
| Canada wanted to recognize the Communist Party in the 1950s. | ||
| It was only the Korean War. | ||
| I never realized that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They were the first to kind of step forward of the major nations because they've been such a great ally in World War II and Europe. | ||
| Why did they want to do it? | ||
| Because the leftist form of the government? | ||
| So there are basically three things that came together in Canada, which gives an indication of maybe what came together here. | ||
| One was there were a lot of Canadian missionaries in China. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And the children of the missionaries, the missionary kids, came back and because they spoke Mandarin, went into the government. | ||
| And they saw the corruption of the Chiang Kai-shek era and had bought into this narrative that communists are really good at PR. They know how to find your buttons and push them. | ||
| And they had pushed the buttons of these missionary kids that went back into the Canadian Foreign Service. | ||
| And many of the first Canadian ambassadors to China were missionary kids. | ||
| kids. | ||
| They were the children of missionaries. | ||
| Because they spoke Mandarin. | ||
| Because they spoke Mandarin. | ||
| The other was the business element, right? | ||
| You got to do business. | ||
| But the third was knee-jerk anti-Americanism. | ||
| So you had all these kind of trends come together in people like Governor Trudeau's father, Pierre Trudeau, who went to China in 1949 on Actually, it's axiomatic here in the war room that that's actually cash trouble. | ||
| We'll take it as the... | ||
| We want to make sure you can get back in the country. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| It's Pierre Trudeau. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then he went in again as a labor lawyer in 1960. | ||
| And he's the one that opened up Canada, the Chinese in 1970 before the U.S. Canada pioneered that language, that one China policy language where you say Taiwan is yours and we acknowledge that. | ||
| Very wishy-washy Canadian approach that the U.S. then adopted. | ||
| And immediately afterwards in the 1970s, we set up the Canada-China Business Council, which includes on this board Bombardier, SNC-Lavalin, Power Corp. | ||
| And Power Corp, after their terms, hired four Canadian prime ministers. | ||
| And they're the ones that helped the SOEs of the Chinese state learn how to invest in Western markets. | ||
| State-owned industries. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| State-owned enterprises. | ||
| Yeah, the Chinese government companies taught them how to invest. | ||
| State capitalism, where the Chinese Communist Party owns a stake and they get all the contracts from the state. | ||
| And we know that when Kissinger was looking at how to do his path to opening up China, he talked to some of the people in Canada who were involved in the Canadian pathway, how the Canadians did it. | ||
| So we've had a corrupt, with Canada, we've had a corrupt relationship with the Chinese Communist Party from the beginning, have we not? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And it's all been based on this illusion of just fabulous wealth to be had in China. | ||
| Her business element, where they've always looked at this huge market and this kind of mythic market. | ||
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That's it. | |
| And I think that goes back to that idea of selling, what, add an inch to everybody, to the gowns of every Chinese person. | ||
| You could keep the mills of England running forever. | ||
| And I don't think that's that much different. | ||
| And then when you do throw in a dose of anti-Americanism, That that makes it even worse. | ||
| But I think in the US case, it's pretty much people convincing themselves that there was nothing to see, no problems at all, and everyone was going to be fabulously wealthy. | ||
| You have Nixon. | ||
| Nixon does it strategically or geostrategically. | ||
| He feels... | ||
| That he's got to somehow shift the calculus away from Russia. | ||
| And at that time, before Reagan comes on, they think Russia is ahead of us, you know, on economy. | ||
| It was when Reagan comes in and they have the team B does analysis. | ||
| Oh, well, we made a slight slight miscalculation. | ||
| China's Russia's economy is not two times the size of us. | ||
| It's actually smaller. | ||
| And Reagan acts how much smaller. | ||
| And it says what's the size of California. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Where he goes, why are these guys such a big problem? | ||
| But you have Nixon do this strategic. | ||
| But then you get to the late 80s and the regime just can't continue on with the suppression of the Chinese people. | ||
| It collapses on Tiananmen. | ||
| Yet again, we bail them out. | ||
| So we bail them out first time we give them the country in the late 40s. | ||
| Second, we make them a strategic essential partner where they, even with everything they're doing in Vietnam and all that, that they got to be strategically helpless against the Soviets. | ||
| And then in 89, after the Chinese Communist Party has mangled everything and now has a popular revolt, the elites of the United States bail them out again. | ||
| Am I wrong in that? | ||
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No. | |
| In fact, you look on the Internet, you see the letter George Bush wrote to Deng Xiaoping after Tiananmen Square massacre. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| And it gives the word fawning a new meaning. | ||
| And that's what we did. | ||
| And I would say that by the early 2000s, it was obvious What the danger was. | ||
| And then we bailed them out again. | ||
| But Bush was not some Yahoo from the Permian Basin or from Houston. | ||
| Bush, besides being an old Yankee establishment family, had been two random jobs, ambassador to China and the head of the CIA. So this guy, to write a fawning letter is outrageous, given the fact, oh, and you were wingman to Reagan to take down the evil empire. | ||
| He should have known chapter and verse of how evil this regime is and how, to your theory, they're just a collection of gangsters, like the mafia. | ||
| How do we not... | ||
| Because I think it makes it tough for people today who said, hey, somehow this government and the business elite and the technology elite and the corporates, they've been in business with these guys for 70 or 80 years. | ||
| That's the scam that's going on, and now they're talking about, oh, they're going to be competitors and everything like that. | ||
| Not only are they mortal enemies, they're mortal enemies that we have... | ||
| Had his junior partners and or bailed out at any time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So one of the things that you might want to think about also is we're talking about companies, but it's actually the people they want to capture the elite of those companies. | ||
| So the head of a company might make a lot of capture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Might make a lot of money and his company might go bankrupt. | ||
| I mean, you know that from Motorola. | ||
| So the CCP isn't targeting the company. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| We get to take a short. | ||
| I'm so wrapped up in this. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| You had some... | ||
| I did. | ||
| Okay, so talking about modern monetary theory and the end of the dollar empire, there is another member of the BRICS, India, that I think could be injected into this conversation very helpfully. | ||
| Am I injecting the conversation? | ||
| Let me, right here, the Indian... | ||
| And by the way, the Indian Renaissance... | ||
| The Modi Decade put together, and both of you guys have pieces in here. | ||
| You're China experts. | ||
| You're known as China experts and some of the top people at CCP. What are you doing in a book on India? | ||
| So if you understand China, you really appreciate India. | ||
| So a lot of the narrative that goes around China, for example, a rising power will always be competitive. | ||
| Well, you know, India's a rising power, and it's been just fine with the U.S. Or the fact that you need an authoritarian government to run a country of a billion people. | ||
| Well, India has a bigger population than China does, and it's a democratic, pluralistic economy. | ||
| All of these narratives that the CCP puts out to justify its existence and to justify its behavior are completely undermined by the existence of this country right next door. | ||
| What did they say? | ||
| Because with a billion, what, a billion four now in India, they have 900, 800 million can vote. | ||
| It takes a month, but they always get a vote. | ||
| What's the CCP's response to that? | ||
| Trying to make the U.S. think that it's undemocratic, that it's authoritarian, that it represses its religious minorities. | ||
| It's the narrative warfare component of it. | ||
| That we are, but how do they justify the Chinese people? | ||
| If you look throughout the world... | ||
| If you look at Sub-Saharan Africa, parts of Latin America, if you look at Asia, it's the last civilization to have, I mean, so obviously absurd on the face of it. | ||
| How can it be justified internally? | ||
| They don't let information about India come in. | ||
| And what they do let come in is very racist. | ||
| So, for example, you couldn't use China virus, but when there was a variant that came out of India in Hong Kong, for example, they were calling it the India variant as much as they possibly could. | ||
| So there is a very deliberate effort not just to create division between the Chinese people and the Indian people, including through what happens on the border. | ||
| The Indians are the only ones in recent years to kill PLA soldiers when they were being attacked. | ||
| The PLA attacked them. | ||
| Throwing the stones and the whole fight. | ||
| It was very brutal. | ||
| 20 Indian soldiers were killed in June 2020. And what was the first retaliation two weeks later by the Indians? | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| No. | ||
| What did they do? | ||
| They banned 59 Chinese apps, including TikTok and WeChat. | ||
| I remember that now. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| That hits them. | ||
| And they don't want the kids being warped by the Chinese. | ||
| Knocked $6 billion off the evaluation of ByteDance. | ||
| It blocked them out of, because they compete, the Indians compete with them for infrastructure projects. | ||
| And they thought that the Chinese were getting their bid data off of their phones. | ||
| It also, for blackmail purposes, the Chinese could get access to the phones for blackmail. | ||
| You're saying they're at war right now, information, political, psychological, everything besides the kinetic part, which you say is going to be a yawn because by the time we get there, we're already going to have lost. | ||
| TikTok. | ||
| President Trump is the guy that's taking the toughest stand against China, yet he's wobbling a little bit on TikTok. | ||
| Is TikTok, CCP, PLA, Army, information warfare, and should it be banned? | ||
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| Yes, it is, and it should be, and it should be banned along with a lot of other things. | ||
| Like what? | ||
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Every other app that has any connection with the Chinese Communist Party, you have to also crack down on their so-called press, their media operations in the United States as well. | |
| What do you mean, the print, because you can get the People's Daily around the corner? | ||
| So if I can, sorry, but the 2017 National Intelligence Law of China requires every Chinese citizen and Chinese organization to support Chinese intelligence operations. | ||
| They're rewarded if they do, and they're punished if they don't. | ||
| So any organization is required by law to give that information over to the Chinese. | ||
| Overseas Chinese too. | ||
| And to be clear, we see this with the Chinese police stations here. | ||
| A lot of it is coercive. | ||
| They're captive. | ||
| They're hostages of their own system. | ||
| Did they have a whole of government or a whole of society, people's war against the United States? | ||
| Is that just some theoretical thing Frank Gaffney talks about, or is that real? | ||
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| What do you mean real? | ||
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Well, you look at everything the Chinese Communist Party does, and it is all about coercion. | |
| And as Cleo mentioned, they have said that really any Chinese person anywhere is subject to following the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And the police, the overseas police stations, the brutality against, say, people who protest in San Francisco when Xi visited and the thoroughgoing coercion. | ||
| You have this thing, never before in the history of mankind, in the entire history of mankind, has there been a mortal threat to a nation that the elites in that nation didn't take seriously? | ||
| I didn't say they were going to beat them. | ||
| I didn't say they did smart moves. | ||
| But if you go back to the history, there's no time in history. | ||
| This is the fallacy of Thucydides' trap. | ||
| Because it's all about the rising powers. | ||
| I had the guy Graham Allison that had lunch up here and I said, hey, name of the time that the elites made more money in this going up. | ||
| And I said, of course, they're going to do this because they're making more money. | ||
| But no time in history has any great nation and its elites not known what the threat was and to their self-interest acted accordingly. | ||
| Now, sometimes they made mistakes and he led to catastrophic wars and they lost Athens and Sparta, all that. | ||
| But you're making a case. | ||
| That they're at war with us, and it's a very well thought through war, and they have tremendous advantages. | ||
| And there's one part of the more than a fifth column. | ||
| It's like the entire elite virtually, culturally, society, technologically, corporate power, financial power, and political power are actually on their side of the football. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
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It is. | |
| There's examples, of course, where elites have done business with people who became enemies. | ||
| I can't think of one that's going on for 30, 40 years. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| And where the elites built up the others to take advantage, to take economic advantage of which they created to themselves by selling out the basic people underneath them. | ||
| This is, it's absolute madness if you think about it. | ||
| So illogical of how it could happen. | ||
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And one of the more just insane aspects of this is that for decades, every Chinese elite and just any Chinese person who can has tried everything they can to get their money, get their wealth out of the country and to put it into countries like the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, the free countries. | |
| And this is like a futures market where the people who are most successful in that system don't have enough confidence in it To invest in China. | ||
| The exact opposite. | ||
| They know it's a con. | ||
| They want to get it out sooner and get it into midtown Manhattan real estate. | ||
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That's it. | |
| And our best and brightest. | ||
| At the same time, I think China's the future. | ||
| You two guys have dedicated your lives to this, right? | ||
| You've dedicated your professional lives to this. | ||
| What is the solution, not for winning, we're so far away from that, but just to get a proper engagement of the American people, because you're not going to get the elites, like we've seen here with populist nationalism, you have to force the elites to do things they wouldn't normally do. | ||
| We've got a couple of minutes in this segment, and then one more segment. | ||
| What has to happen to stop this madness? | ||
| So when the PRC comes in, you talked about it extensively here, they come in with a commercial front. | ||
| So they say this is just business. | ||
| Intertwined with that commercial front is always a strategic imperative. | ||
| They'll say, we're going to help you put in a port. | ||
| The port just happens to have things on it that are helpful to the PLA. But what facilitates those two things always is corruption. | ||
| And corruption is where we have the advantage. | ||
| We believe in truth and transparency and accountability and rule of law. | ||
| And you'll hear people- Who believes in that? | ||
| We do. | ||
| Who's we? | ||
| Well, there are four people in this room. | ||
| No, I mean, the Grundoons, I got that. | ||
| But the power structure, how do you force that? | ||
| If that's the case? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because everything you've told me, to hear and ever look at the history of it, is the exact reverse. | ||
| They believe in feather in the nest. | ||
| They believe in money and power. | ||
| And they're getting more money and therefore more powerful by siding with their enemy. | ||
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Right? | |
| Am I wrong in that? | ||
| No. | ||
| But I do have to say, as somebody who isn't an American... | ||
| But hang on. | ||
| But Canada is in worse shape than the United States. | ||
| You guys have totally rolled over. | ||
| Have you not? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And what I wanted to say was, you are still the shining city on the hill. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And that light isn't coming from street lamps. | ||
| That light comes from individual Americans. | ||
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Right? | |
| And the sight in the individual American, in the belief, in the idea of you swear, he swore an oath to the Constitution. | ||
| Somebody in the Canadian military swears an oath to King Charles III. What you stand for is incredibly important, incredibly powerful to many people all over the world. | ||
| You have an internal fight going on, there's no question. | ||
| But the idea of America is incredibly powerful. | ||
| That's why you have people in the Pacific Islands or in India who still want to engage with the US in spite of what's been going on at different levels for so long. | ||
| So I wouldn't denigrate the power of that idea and how propagating that idea and giving people around the world the tools. | ||
| If you talk about the Solomon Islands, Battle of Guadalcanal, there are people there now who are being persecuted for trying to stand up for democracy. | ||
| Their hope is America, knowing what they do. | ||
| A guy called Daniel Suidani, he was the premier of Malaita province, one of the provinces. | ||
| He wrote a communique saying, we don't want CCP businesses operating in our province. | ||
| One of the most courageous things a leader could do. | ||
| State Department wasn't helpful, but Congress wrote a letter to try to support him. | ||
| The U.S. is many different things. | ||
| And those elements within the United States that still believe in these things have an incredible power to help deal with the horse that the Chinese Communist Party rides in on, which is corruption. | ||
| Go after the corruption. | ||
| Everything else weakens. | ||
| She's so upbeat, right? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Your thoughts. | ||
| You're like me. | ||
| You're not upbeat. | ||
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I try to be. | |
| You wrote a book that said when the Chinese Communist Party attacked. | ||
| Come on, dude, when China attacks. | ||
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I'm trying to bet on the other guys. | |
| But the first thing you got to do is you got to have some leadership. | ||
| And I've watched this as long as you have, Steve, where the first administration to actually stand up for the United States against China was the first Trump administration. | ||
| It was the first one that actually scared them and showed what leadership could do. | ||
| And guys like Matt Pottinger, Pompeo, Peter Navarro, these are people the Chinese hated, wanted them off the playing field. | ||
| So it takes that leadership to admit that these guys are an enemy, and we got to do something about it. | ||
| In fact, the first time that you could actually refer to the Chinese as an enemy or an adversary, even in the US military, was after 2017. Before that, if you said it, No, we forced McMaster. | ||
| The first draft of the strategic plan came to me, and China was not—Russia. | ||
| I said, this is not going to happen. | ||
| They've got to be identified. | ||
| That's why the first one had China and Russia. | ||
| I didn't want Russia included. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| The KGB are bad guys. | ||
| It's just another criminal thing. | ||
| But it's not at the level—China is a mortal threat to the United States of America. | ||
| Russia may be a threat regionally to the Europeans or to Ukrainians, and that's bad enough. | ||
| But it's like Persia's a regional threat to the Israelis. | ||
| It's at a different scale and a different order of magnitude. | ||
| And so even in that, our Defense Department pushed back. | ||
| It was unbelievable. | ||
| I mean, you sit there and go, what do you mean they're enemies? | ||
| They're pure competitors. | ||
| I said, stop all the happy talk, man. | ||
| All this nomenclature. | ||
| They're mortal enemies. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| We've got to go to a short commercial break. | ||
| So birchgold.com. | ||
| We don't have Philip Patrick on this week. | ||
| I guess it's the Christmas season. | ||
| Philip's taking the weekend off. | ||
| Normally we have Philip on here to talk about global capital markets. | ||
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We're talking about the Third World War. | |
| We've entered the kinetic phase of it over in Ukraine. | ||
| What did President Trump say? | ||
| It's a million dead Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. | ||
| On top of that, he said 600,000 or 700,000 Russians. | ||
| That arc of instability all the way from Russia through Romania, the Balkans, Turkey, all the way through Persia. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
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Okay, welcome back. | |
| We only got a few minutes, but you guys have dedicated your life to this. | ||
| For this audience, I'm going to start with Nusham and finish with you. | ||
| Because this is the most, you know, we've got a huge activist base, highly anti-CCP. I'm infuriated about the city, how weak it is and how nobody steps up to it. | ||
| What should be the takeaways? | ||
| Where should they go for information? | ||
| Obviously your book, When China Attacks by the Colonel, we'll push that out again. | ||
| All your writings we push up. | ||
| People love you. | ||
| But the call to action that you guys would make on a Saturday in December You know, in the Christmas season, when you're sitting here talking about war and you're saying, hey, don't pay attention to the media, this Ukraine stuff, and with Turkey and Syria, that's all a sideshow. | ||
| This is, as Captain Fennell says, the main thing. | ||
| And keep the main thing the main thing. | ||
| What is your recommendation, Colonel? | ||
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Well, the first thing you've got to do, and I think we've got a chance with this new administration, is you've got to make sure that they continue to see the Chinese as an enemy that wants to destroy us. | |
| And we've got to stop doing this self-defeating sort of behavior where we funded the Chinese communists, and we still are. | ||
| To build up a military which could take us on and probably defeat us in certain cases. | ||
| It'd be nice to see state attorney generals. | ||
| And some states have done a very good job. | ||
| Go after the CEOs of major corporations, and even not so ones, and sue them for... | ||
| Business malfeasance for mishandling shareholder interests by getting into a market like the Chinese market. | ||
| So you can actually, at your state level, and there's been some very good work done, say in Oklahoma, Nebraska, et cetera, Virginia a bit, and Florida as well. | ||
| That is where you can really apply some pressure. | ||
| The Chinese haven't, they've tried, but they haven't subverted as much as they have most of Capitol Hill. | ||
| But also just this awareness that these are people that want to kill us. | ||
| And that has simply got to stop. | ||
| If you had an offer from the Trump administration to go to the National Security Council, Pentagon, State Department, anywhere at the forefront of this, would you take it? | ||
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| How many years in the Corps? | ||
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I was with them for about 30 years. | |
| Just about 30. Real quickly for you, Pascal, the fentanyl issue, you're saying a million dead. | ||
| They understand nobody's doing anything about it. | ||
| Colonel Grant Newsham, if the three things that must be done immediately on fentanyl to stop the crisis, in your opinion... | ||
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Suspend the People's Bank of China's license to operate in the U.S. dollar system and then expose and seize the overseas assets of the start with the top 500 Chinese Communist Party leaders. | |
| Make it personal for them. | ||
| Those two things, you hit that flow of convertible currency into China. | ||
| That is what they have used to build up their economy and their military. | ||
| Hit them on that. | ||
| And then, as I said, make it personal and make sure all 1.4 billion Chinese people know that their leaders have moved their wealth overseas. | ||
| You're saying go full economic warfare, start the top and work. | ||
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It has got to be something. | |
| It cannot be just incremental. | ||
| It has to be that serious. | ||
| It's got to reach that point. | ||
| And those two things would get you a very long ways and just institute a scheme of just reciprocity. | ||
| If you can't do anything in China, they shouldn't be able to do it here and even then cut it down. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Remember what your neighbors have gone through because of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| So remember that the economies have been destroyed. | ||
| The manufacturing has been taken away. | ||
| Fentanyl has been pumped into the communities. | ||
| Your school system has been completely subverted. | ||
| You know, your life as an American has been deliberately attacked to try to degrade it and erode it so that you become supplicants. | ||
| This is not accidental. | ||
| And that is the degree of the attack. | ||
| So how do you counter? | ||
| It depends on who you are and where you are. | ||
| But join the school board. | ||
| Run for office. | ||
| Do it from the ground up. | ||
| The attack is from the ground all the way through the top and then back down. | ||
| If somebody goes to the school board and say, hey, I'm here because I'm trying to fight the Chinese Communist Party, they're going to give them a tinfoil hat and say, you're crazier than the people who come here and say, we've got to take the pornography out of the libraries with the librarians and blue spiked hair. | ||
| You're here because you're defending the American way of life. | ||
| Whoever's attacking it, right? | ||
| You need to re... | ||
| What's the best way for a citizen out here, the common man and woman, to start to inform people and put the dispositive question? | ||
| Everything that we look at as a country geopolitically and every action we take has got to look at, in the 21st century, who's going to win? | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party or the American Republic? | ||
| How do they do that? | ||
| So what I... Because I work in a lot of parts of the world where there are other options. | ||
| I talk about freedom versus the authoritarianism, in fact, fascism that's being exported from the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| If you talk about freedom, you can bring in all these other allies like India and Taiwan and other countries into the fight. | ||
| What do you mean exporting fascism? | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| They're exporting a system where technically an authoritarian regime uses the economic mechanisms to achieve its goals, right? | ||
| The theory of the case, the reason the most favored nation, the World Trade Organization, is the wealthier they got, the more the poor got into the middle class. | ||
| They would become a liberal democracy like we were. | ||
| Have our elites not actually copied their model of state-controlled capitalism and authoritarian rule through information and this is what the Trump team is going to break? | ||
| I saw that very clearly in Canada where we were freezing bank accounts of people who were doing things politically that we didn't like. | ||
| Right, with the truckers, for example. | ||
| So you can see that kind of social credit system being tested and rolled out in different locations. | ||
| And then that's why it's such a, if you look more broadly, some of our allies are deeply part of the problem, and some are potentially part of the solution. | ||
| Where do people get you? | ||
| All of it. | ||
| The website, social media, all of it. | ||
| My social media, I have to say that War Room Posse has been very kind to me. | ||
| They've posted a lot of very nice comments. | ||
| And thank you very much. | ||
| I'm shy about it, and you have been wonderful. | ||
| And that's on X. It's my name. | ||
| It's Cleo Pascal, C-L-E-O-P-A-S-K-A-L. And really thank you for all the kind comments. | ||
| And make sure everybody pops in and puts their contents. | ||
| The book. | ||
| Where do people go to get the book? | ||
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You can get it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and that sort of place. | |
| And I'm on Twitter at Newsham Grant. | ||
| And you're open to working in the Trump administration. | ||
| Is there another book? | ||
| If you had to get a book contract today, what would the title of your new book be? | ||
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Bringing Down the CCP. Wow. | |
| Can I be the governor of Canada? | ||
| In the new administration? | ||
| That would be our dream. | ||
| You would be fantastic. | ||
| You know, it's really amazing. | ||
| Canada nice is actually a thing. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Canada nice is really a thing. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Many more conversations. | ||
| Really want to spend more time with you on the Pacific Island chain. | ||
| We have so many people that are grandchildren, children of veterans that fought there. | ||
| It's inexcusable that given what they understood about you want to put the western frontier of America farther west in the Pacific, that would essentially today be turning it over. | ||
| I want to thank you guys on Army-Navy Week in Football. | ||
| The president will be there this afternoon. | ||
| The game's actually in D.C., right? | ||
| Not at Redskins Stadium, because that's down the street here, and they're trying to figure out what to do, but out at, I guess, FedEx Field or whatever it's called today. | ||
| President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, will be there. | ||
| Real America's Voice will be picking up live. | ||
| We're back here Monday at 10 a.m. | ||
| Eastern Standard Time. | ||
| Until then, we'll be up all weekend on social media. | ||
| Maybe even do a live chat or whatever. | ||
| Thank everybody for being here. | ||
| Thank you guys for being here. |
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