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Dec. 10, 2024 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4116: The Redemption Of Populism

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unidentified		To tell you this because you've talked about it.
		It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided.
		And now you're going to be leading this country for the next four years.
		For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		Why would I do that?
		But let me just tell you, when you say the country is deeply divided, I'm not the president.
		Joe Biden is the president.
unidentified		But you're going to be the president.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hang on.
		Stop it right there.
		Stop it right there.
		Denver, I'm going to call for that again.
		Right there.
		What is the...
		It's a core requirement.
		Let me be blunt.
		It's a core requirement to be ultra-MAGA. Trump won the 2020 election.
		The part of all these investigations are going to be And this is why on January 20th at one minute afternoon, after he takes his hand off the King James Bible, the order has to be given.
		Every person, every person associated that Biden appointed, anybody in his government, every U.S. attorney, any deputy U.S. attorney, every political appointee, all 3,000 Of the ones being put in there, and every one of the Senate confirms, 4,000.
		Immediately.
		Immediately.
		And anybody else.
		The people sits on the boards of the Naval Academy West Point, the Battlefield Commission.
		They got literally hundreds, if not thousands, of commissions got people on.
		All of them.
		Every frickin' person associated with this criminal gang that are over there every night burning the midnight or are they burning the midnight or thinking, hey, how do we stay out of Syria and how do we not make more obligations, have refugees everywhere?
		Are they working around the clock to figure out, hey, how do we make sure that that app down there is not used and they can't get more tens of thousands of folks across this border that Trump and these guys are going to figure out?
		Are they thinking about how do we kind of calm things down, let Trump get in here on Ukraine?
		Are they doing anything on the debt and make sure, hey, Janet Yellen has a clean turnover with Besson and make sure that the way they've done this, like old Argentina, and do it short term and finance it short term and get the balance sheet of the country upside down, that it is a good changeover?
		No.
		What they're doing over there in the White House, and they say this, they're leaking it themselves.
		They're working on blanket preemptive pardons.
		Now, turn to your constitution and look that one up.
		Oh, we can't find that.
		That's because it doesn't exist.
		Not even a concept anybody's ever heard of.
		A blanket preemptive pardon.
		They argue, Rudy, I was on his show, he argues Nixon got this.
		I'm not a lawyer.
		I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
		I didn't even think that was it.
		A blanket preemptive pardon for Milley and Fauci and Liz Cheney and Shifty Shift.
		Those are categories.
		Those are just verticals.
		They're just a head person in a vertical to go down.
		That's what they're doing.
		You know why?
		And President Trump, can we please play that again?
		Just to start.
		I just got to hear that.
		Just let it roll.
		She's trying to do it.
		You know, this is Kristen Welkin.
		Kristen's a good person.
		You've seen Kristen Welker in your life.
		She's the kid from kindergarten all the way to high school when you left her.
		Gets a straight A, everything.
		She comes to work every day.
		She's done the homework and more homework and done some extra homework.
		She's probably smarter than the teacher.
		And she's got that hand raised up there.
		She's sitting in the front row and she's got that hand raised and she's answering every question.
		She's answering questions the teacher hadn't even thought of.
		She's getting A's, A +, you know, they got this thing now, you can't get a 4.0, you got a 4.9 or a 5.2.
		I don't even know how that works.
		Because I wasn't getting 4.0s in the military prep school I went to.
		I was not getting close to, so 4.0 was like a goal.
		The guys that get above it, that's Kristen Welker, she's a 5.2.
		5.2.
		The only thing not exactly quick on the comeback with a beast like Trump.
		Boom!
unidentified		Boom!
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He's dropping bombs.
		And she's trying to, you know, and Kristen, you shouldn't do this.
		You shouldn't do this.
		You don't try to cage a lion coming out of the box unless you get the bullwhip and you got like a submachine gun.
		And you didn't.
		Can you commit to the American people right now that, you know, you're going to go there?
		Is that what you're going to do?
		You're going to go there, right there?
		No, he's going to blow up.
		No, I am not.
		So no, you are not.
		He's not going to.
		Do you know why?
		Because this is his third win.
		He's won three.
		Immediately you're going to have to suck on it.
		Oh, you know, look at this.
		They're debating it.
		They're debating it.
		They're going to come again.
		This is why they're all hanging their hat.
		Rachel Maddow, the Jack Smith Report.
		Learns it out, the Jack Smith Report.
		Shove the Jack Smith Report up where the sun don't shine.
		That's how much we care about it.
		It's going to be your superseding indictment.
		I guess it's not now, right?
		Sorry, not sorry.
		Jack Smith, here's what you better be worrying about.
		Lawyer up, get the passport, make sure you can go, and go to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States of America.
		It's an illegitimate regime.
		What do we say on the 20th of January, 2021?
		You got that guy over CNN, look at the lights on the reflecting pool, like Biden's arms embracing the nation.
		First off, he should have been fired for being a creep.
		Forget that he's an idiot.
		He should have been fired for being a creep.
		Hey, John Malone, heads up why CNN is not doing so well.
		Number one, you got a lot of creeps over there, and they kind of come across on TV as creeps.
		I don't think people want that in their living room every day.
		Just free advice.
		Take it for what it's worth.
		John Malone, when you finally figure out why it's not working, let's get rid of the creep factor.
		Just start there before you get...
		And nothing's not working.
		The 30 people on the panel, everybody gets two seconds to say something more ironic thing.
		Why don't you...
		Here's a note.
		Why don't you just get two or three people that know something, that understand something.
		We don't need diversity.
		We don't need them all.
		You got everybody.
		You got every flavor, every taste, all of it.
		It's all meaningless.
		Get rid of the creeps, and then get some people to know something, and hey, maybe you got a shot.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Every the theory of the case.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Go back to the railhead.
		2020 was stolen, and on the 21st, we say, we have a task and a purpose, and number one, in this information war, He is illegitimate.
		Biden is illegitimate.
		And we will say that over and over again.
		We'll never call him president.
		We'll never call him administration.
		It's an illegitimate Biden regime.
		How many times you hear that, people?
		Like two million?
		The illegitimate Biden regime.
		Now, I can tell you who buys into that theory of the case.
		I'm going to pick a random name.
		Donald John Trump.
		Kristen Welker.
		So, your interview...
		Which is going to be shown at University of Missouri and at Columbia, which are two of the kind of, you know, top schools for journalism, as a way not to conduct an interview.
		Particularly when he's, boom, he's blowing you up with another bomb and your eyes are...
		Not the best.
		Not the best.
		It's an illegitimate regime, and the proof of their illegitimacy is what they're doing in the White House.
		Do we need anything else to show us?
		They're spending their time on blanket preemptive pardons.
		And you know who agrees with us is Amy Klobuchar, ran for president.
		She made one another shot.
		She just beat Royce White.
		She's on a roll.
		She's sitting there going, you know, I'm not so sure that's the good thing.
		No, Amy, write this down.
		It destroys the Democratic Party.
		So this is a win-win.
		The Chinese are talking about win-win.
		I got a win-win for you.
		Here's a win-win.
unidentified		We dare you to give the pardons.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We dare you.
		Biden, get them all.
		Get your family.
		In fact, on top of it, throw the pardons out for the illegal aliens, the 10 million, pardon them all.
		We dare you.
		Do it.
		Because in the very act of that, the Democrats become the Whigs, the last major party that went away, right before the Civil War.
		You know who was a Whig?
		Hmm, let me think.
		Abraham Lincoln, who had kind of thought it through, right?
		The Whigs were big on internal development and taking money and building bridges and kind of building the country and, you know, believed in manufacturing, all of it.
		Kind of anti the plantation class, right?
		Whigs went away as a build-up to the Civil War where slavery and the issues of slavery became more front and center and you couldn't avoid it anymore.
		The Democratic Party could actually cease to exist.
		They're sitting there right now saying, oh no, we've got to be populism.
		It's all populism.
		Populism as much as a spiritual force as anything else.
		And if you don't understand that, which you don't, you just can't glob it on.
		Oh, let's tax the rich.
		That's not populism.
		It's a part of it.
		It's a part of it.
		But there's a reason for that.
		Populism is about redemption.
		Populism is about a spiritual element of it.
		Why?
		Because it gets back to the concept of sovereign will.
		Now what is that?
		That's you.
		Who won the other day with Joni Ernst?
		President Trump took a step back, as he often does.
		He wants to see how it plays.
		He can read the room.
		He wants to see how this thing plays.
		Pete's got to show some resilience, and his people have to speak.
		President Trump does not have a PhD.
		He didn't go to Wharton to get a political science degree.
		He didn't know this mumbo-jumbo.
		He doesn't need to know it.
		He doesn't want to know it because it's not meaningful.
		Sovereign will.
		Populism?
		A redemptive, spiritual, political movement that focuses on the sovereign will of the American people.
		In the American version of it, the American people.
		Regardless of their race, regardless of their ethnicity, regardless of their gender, regardless of their religion, they have to be something.
		Here's what they've got to be.
		Wait for it.
		What are you going to be?
		Let me think about this for a second.
		What are you going to be?
		An American citizen.
		An American citizen.
		And collectively, collectively, that sovereign will.
		We're independent actors.
		You have independent agency.
		You've got to stand in front of your maker as a person.
		You don't have your family.
		You don't have your loved one.
		You don't have your wife, your husband.
		None of it.
		It's just you getting weighed and measured at the end on your actions, on your agency, how you use your agency.
		Don't give me your thoughts.
		Don't give me all your inner thing.
		I want to know what you did in this veil of tears.
	We got a book.
	It's called the Book of Life.
	Remember in Revelations, they got the good and the bad, and they got the Book of Life right there, and they're going through it.
	Listen to St. John the Evangelist.
	We finished with that song, When the Man Comes Around.
	It's quite powerful.
	Hell, I don't know what the Book of Revelations means.
	Nobody knows what the Book of Revelations means.
	It's too deep.
	It's too symbolic.
	It's all of it.
	But you know what?
	You keep plowing through it.
	The church made a decision.
	We're going to end with that.
	Maybe you guys should spend some time with it.
	They got the Book of Life.
	What does the Book of Life say?
	The Book of Life says your agency.
	You're going to be held accountable for your agency.
	Divine Providence gave you this opportunity.
	What did you do with it?
	What did you do with it?
	Did you squander it?
	Did you do bad things?
	The sower and the seed?
	What did you do?
	Collectively, though, for the zeitgeist, that's the sovereign will.
	And if the revolution and the civil war and World War II show us anything...
	It shows us the purpose of this whole experiment.
	You don't need kings.
	Did you see?
	Trump shows up in Notre Dame.
	He's like Charlemagne.
	You see him all kakao-towing to him, all kissing the ring like the Borgias, the Medici's, right?
	And the Bourbons and all of it.
	The guys in England, they haven't learned anything.
	It's not in their DNA. They're going to bow down.
	He walks in.
	He's like Charlemagne.
	Boom.
	Hey, can I kiss the ring?
	That's not the American people.
	We love Trump.
	Trump is the instrumentality of the salvation of this nation.
	Full stop!
	He's not worshipped here.
	He's admired and respected and supported.
	That's because we're different than the Europeans because of what took place here.
unidentified		The good and the bad.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The evil and the sublime.
unidentified		It's so obvious.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Short break.
unidentified		I have to tell you this because you've talked about it.
		It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided.
		And now you're going to be leading this country for the next four years.
		For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		Why would I do that?
		But let me just tell you, when you say the country is deeply divided, I'm not the president.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I can play that.
		I can play that a million times.
		Because it's deeply divided.
		We'd turn the page on that.
		No.
		We're never going to turn the page on that.
		Here's what you're going to turn the page.
		You're going to fire everybody in this illegitimate regime.
		On the moment one, everybody, every battlefield commission, every historical society, the Smithsonian, the Kennedy Center, every person that was put in by this illegitimate regime are going to be shown the door.
		Shown the door.
		And we dare you, if you're listening, we dare you, because we know you are, we dare you to give a blanket preemptive pardon on these criminals.
		Yep.
		On Fauci.
		Yep.
		On Shifty Schiff.
		Yep.
		On Millie.
		Yep.
		On Liz.
		Liz had a big, long thing yesterday.
		She came back with President Trump.
		You know, President Trump said something about that, about J6. No.
		Pardon all the J6 people who have been in the prisons, and then they can get the civil suits and come after you people personally, which they have to do.
		And then we're going to go through all the J6 records on the committee.
		And by the way, it's got to be done.
		It's got to be adjudicated totally publicly.
		This has to be like Caesar's wife.
		It has to be completely 1,000% public.
		Kind of like the J6 committee should have been run the first time with a ranking member in a minority council.
		You get all the information.
		You particularly get the due cross-examinations.
		But there'll also be, I'm sure, I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure there'll be a couple of three, you know, investigations and see where that gets.
		Maybe a special counsel.
		Maybe.
		I think that'd be pretty cool.
		But hey, that's all decisions guys have got to make.
		I'm just sitting here in front of a microphone screaming like a madman.
		But it's either legitimate or illegitimate.
		Either is or it isn't.
		It's either one or the other.
		You're the inner, you're not.
		No, we're not going to turn the page, Christian Walker.
		No, we're not going to turn the page, NBC. No, Roberts family, we're not going to turn the page.
		We've already won because we know MSNBC is an anchor around your neck and you're cutting it loose.
		That's a big victory in and of itself.
		Folks, they got no news operation over there.
		That thing will sink.
		Sink.
		Particularly when Bobby Kennedy comes out and the first thing he does is we get an executive order signed that none of these big pharma criminals can be putting this propaganda and these commercials on non-stop on MSNBC over and over and over again to prop up and to pay for that evilness that comes out of there.
		You take the big pharma ads away, it's a test pattern.
		They can't afford to pay anybody.
		Can't afford to do it.
		Man, they got some sick folks that watch that thing.
		I'm not talking men.
		I'm talking, man, just watch MSN. We monitor it every day in CNN. They got diseases you can't even imagine.
		I said, is that a real thing?
		Then they got the disclaimer, which in and of itself is worth it.
		You think it's a comedy routine.
		They talk about these diseases you've never heard of.
		These people get broken.
		They get fingers.
		They get everything.
		Their heads, their bodies, all of it.
		It's crazy.
	Crazy.
unidentified		Crazy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If you don't believe in the Mahi, make America healthy again, good Lord, just watch MSNBC for a day.
		You'll be running.
		Get me some organic food.
		No more ultra-processed food.
		I just want to live on fruits and nuts.
		I want to be like John the Baptist.
		Put a loincloth on and let me go out in the desert somewhere because this crap is madness.
		The way these people live.
		And the solutions.
		From the big pharma who only try to do you good.
		All of them have to go.
		All of them.
		I'm not going to fill them all right away.
		President Trump and the team down there are trying to get them through.
		They've got a whole group of people.
		They're vetting people and interviewing people and putting people in slots and getting the landing teams ready.
		I wouldn't have signed the deal.
		We made the mistake in 2016. We've actually learned something.
		I wouldn't have signed the deal.
		I wouldn't let the FBI near your people.
		Not near them.
		They're not worthy.
		The FBI is not worthy.
		The FBI is not worthy.
		It should be broken apart into many subgroups.
		Number one, the counterintelligence part should go somewhere, not the CIA. It should go somewhere.
		Counterintelligence.
		The counterterrorism should go to another place.
		I think he puts him may get some savings.
		The law enforcement, I think, should then be, if you need a federal investigative force, hey, maybe you do for these federal crimes.
		You've got the U.S. attorneys.
		You've got a whole thing at the Justice Department.
		Look, the FBI's got 250 lawyers.
		They're trying to recreate the Justice Department.
		Hey, why don't we make it simple?
		Why don't we take the 250 lawyers and send them back to the Justice Department, got it, where the lawyers go, put them over there.
		Maybe there's only 50 seats, so you get rid of 200, but take those out of the FBI, put them there.
		And then the FBI investigators and all the fields, and maybe you put them with the U.S. attorneys.
		Maybe we kind of give it some critical mass.
		I don't know.
		Greater minds than mine are thinking up, but that's kind of a...
		And then, guess what?
		You don't have any FBI. Think about it for a second.
		In building the headquarters, it was to tell the headquarters is bigger than the Pentagon.
		I don't think we need that.
		I don't know.
		As my brother tells me, watch every movie when the local guys are trying to solve something, the FBI walks in and it's always a bunch of clowns and they're stepping on people and getting in the way and they're just, you know, the local guys got it.
		Hey, FBI, you're all puffed up on MSNBC because you're all puffed up the other day.
		We're going to get this guy.
		The FBI's got him.
		Somebody at McDonald's ratted him out.
		We had Barney Fife and his wingman went in and saw him.
		The young guy, boom, we saw him.
		We walked up.
		Guy's eating a Big Mac.
		Excuse me, eating a breakfast burrito or something.
		I guess they don't do that at McDonald's.
		Not that I would know.
		Eating a breakfast egg McMuffin.
		Guy's macking on, macking down, working on an egg McMuffin.
		Two cops show up.
		No FBI. The great FBI. Five days.
		This guy could have killed ten other people.
		Still had his weapon.
	But the amazing FBI with the multi-billion dollar budget in the headquarters that's bigger than the Pentagon has ever struck you as odd?
	Do we really need this kind of...
	No, because that's the American Gestapo needs it because they need to jackboot and kick down the doors of all these folks, these people praying the rosary.
	Praying the rosary.
	Think about that for a second.
	The guys I met in Danbury, the people I know in this life movement, I mean, I'm not that churchy, right?
	You know, I try to get, you know, I try to, you know, in this journey, you struggle, you try to do the right thing, but I'm not one of these churchy guys.
	These guys are super churchy.
	They are holy people.
	Their whole life revolves around this.
	They're going to have a lot better time.
	They're going to have a lot easier discussion when the book of life is open.
	Their thing's going to go quick.
	Okay, go.
	You're good to go.
	Dude, these are holy people.
	These are people dedicated.
	They're in prison.
	They're in federal prisons.
	Women in their 70s are federal prisons.
	How did that happen?
	The FBI put them there with the Justice Department and these radical prosecutors.
	And their day of judgment's gonna come.
	We're gonna out all your names.
	You don't get to hide.
	You're all big shots.
	You're all tough guys until you're not.
	You're all tough guys until you're not.
	I haven't seen a tough guy over there.
	We've got resilience.
	Did you see Navarra run away?
	Did you see Kash Patel run away?
	Did you see Dan Scavino run away?
	Did you see anybody say, this is so terrible.
	I've had discussions with my family that we've got to leave the country.
	We ain't leaving this country.
	This is the United States of America.
	We're not going to leave this country.
	We're going to fight for this country.
	We're going to take it back and we're going to clean up your mess.
	That's what we're going to do.
	What are you going to do?
	Oh, we're going to George Clooney all in Europe.
	Stay in Europe.
	Sharon Stone, you know, 90% of them don't have, none of them, 90% don't have passports.
	How many passports were on the guys' first wave at Normandy?
	Or at Terawai, Peleliu?
	How many passports they had?
	99% answered no.
	They didn't need a passport to get to Normandy.
	They went there with a rifle, a carbine.
	In the support of the sovereign will of the American people.
	The sovereign will of the American people.
	That is where you come in.
	You happen to be the sovereign will.
	Two things.
	You're the full faith and credit of this government and everything associated with it.
	It's you.
	It's not the Federal Reserve.
	It's not the Security Exchange Commission.
	It's not the FTC or the FCC or another alphabet agency.
	It's you.
	It's not Congress.
	It's not the Senate.
	It's not these clans in the House.
	It's not that.
	It's not these bureaucrats, the administrative state running around.
	It's you.
	You're the full faith and credit of this country.
	It's on your shoulders.
	You're also the sovereign will.
	That's the whole deal was set up about that.
	The geniuses of the revolutionary generation understood that.
	If we unleash...
	The power and not in a pure democracy.
	They understood that passions and dispositions and tempers sometimes kind of flow.
	People get a little hot.
	Maybe sometimes they study the Republic of ancient Rome.
	Maybe sometimes it's looking like a mob.
	We got checks and balances and we can do this.
	We can have different houses and they can have different terms.
	The perfect architecture.
	To allow separation of powers, to allow checks and balances, to allow it kind of all move, right?
	But all predicated upon the sovereign will of the people.
unidentified		You know who understood that?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		To tie this back to current news, Colonel Senator Joni Ernst.
		Smart woman.
		She got it.
		She got some beefs with Pete, about Pete's stance on women in combat.
		And look, I don't totally agree with Pete on that.
		Don't need to agree with Pete on that.
		She got some other issues about this, you know, the two systems.
		She wants a system for women that have been assaulted or people that have been assaulted.
		I got that.
		I don't agree with her on that, but I understand her argument.
		But one thing you don't have to school her on is the sovereign will of the people.
		She understood that.
		Who else understands that?
		They do not think that Trump is both an instrument of divine providence and the sovereign will of the American people.
		They do not get that.
		They fail to comprehend that.
		They can't comprehend that.
		They still see him as...
		Some charlatan.
unidentified		They're about to get schooled.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Old schooled.
unidentified		Next in the world.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hey, that's like the longest birchgold.
		So birchgold.com slash war room.
		Go get the end of the dollar empire.
		We're going to be adding the modern monetary thinking.
		But this afternoon I'm going to have more time To get into the geopolitics, the arc of instability.
		And they're trying to drag us into the kinetic part of the Third World War right now.
		We have to avoid that.
		President Trump has to avoid it.
		They're trying to shackle him before he even starts.
		So, birchgold.com slash Bannon.
		Also, if you like it, Jim Rickards, he'll probably be, you know, if he doesn't go in, he'll probably be one of the contributors that we keep because we're losing so many.
		All for good reason.
		Everybody should do it.
		I recommend everybody go volunteer for at least the first couple of years of the Trump second term.
		Paradigm Press, you got Rickards.
		Rickards with an S, warroom.com.
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		If you like the geopolitics and capital markets we do, go check that out.
		Jim brings a perspective of Wall Street and the intelligence services and all of it and extraordinary writers.
		So make sure you go check it out.
		Charlie Kirk now joins me.
		We've got an amazing event.
		I want everybody in the War Room Posse to sign up for this.
		I want you all out there.
		We're going to be live for a couple of days.
		We'll probably be doing a couple of side events to get to know everybody better.
		A couple of times we've done this out in Phoenix at the end of the year have been extraordinary.
		Go in the chats, you'll hear people just had an amazing time, but we're going to bring the whole crew out there.
		Charlie Kirk joins us.
		Charlie, what do you got for us, brother?
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we want the whole War Room to be there.
		We have a special offer for everyone to come to AmericaFest.
		It's amfest.com, promo code WARROOM for a special discount.
		But Steve, it's a really important event for more than one reason.
		Number one, everyone in this audience has earned the right to celebrate.
		It's been tough sledding.
		Steve, the War Room Posse was the vanguard, was the tip of the spear to dig us out of January, February, and March of 2021. You remember those days, Steve.
		Steve, those were dark, dark days.
		They tried to put us in exile.
		A lot of our buddies and friends were being put in prison.
		And a lot of us went through what was the kind of the dark night of the soul.
		And now here we are, and spring is here, and we need to celebrate it.
		And we're doing that at AmFest.com.
		Everyone can get your tickets.
		And in Phoenix, Arizona, December 19, 2021, 22, the speakers are unbelievable.
		We have you keynoting the first evening, Steve.
		Can't wait to have you just do a total barn burner.
		We got Donald Trump Jr.
		We have Glenn Beck.
		We have Patrick Bet-David.
		We have Matt Walsh.
		We have Michael Knowles.
		We have Tom Homan, who's going to give a special address about the largest deportation effort coming forward.
		That's a big deal, by the way, to have Tom Homan come.
		And we have policy breakouts.
		And then the final thing is this, outside of celebration and encouragement, we are still in an active cultural battle and political battle against the left.
		And so what does that look like from a deployment standpoint, from giving Trump his cabinet, from pressuring lawmakers?
		Matt Gaetz will be there.
		Riley Gaines will be there.
		We have Marjorie Taylor Greene, Rob Schneider, Danica Patrick, obviously the great Jack Posobiec, James O'Keefe, Sage Steele, Scott Pressler.
		Roger Stone, Nicole Shanahan, Callie Means.
		And by the way, more speakers yet to be announced momentarily, Steve.
		So we want the entire War Room Posse.
		You're going to be doing the shows live there, Steve.
		I know that you love just meeting all the people, being part of the grassroots.
		It's amfest.com, A-M-F-E-S-T.com.
		We want everyone to show up.
		It's going to be the biggest event of the year.
		Get your tickets right now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And if you use War Room, if you use the War Room promo code, you get a 25% discount on the general mission.
		I want everybody, we're going to have a great time.
		We're doing four hours a day through the good offices of Real America's Voice, Rob and Parker Sig and the team there.
		We're going to do four hours a day live, plus I'll be speaking.
		We're going to do group things with the posse to both celebrate because it's the Christmas season and also to focus on the coming year.
		Charlie, the New York Times Day has a story.
		I just want your...
		It talks about Pete Hegseth and this thing hanging in the balance last week.
		And this is why I want to thank Rob and Parker Sieg.
		You had the worm.
		You had the Charlie Kirkshire ejector.
		So we had five hours.
		Then we came back seven hours a day pounding on this thing.
		What are your thoughts of where we stand with Hegseth and the importance of the audience and the community to step up here and take an active role?
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		I give Pete Hegseth 80-90% chances of now being confirmed.
		And a week ago, somebody told me who was very well connected, he's on life support.
		That was War Room, Charlie Kirk Show, Turning Point Action, Jack Posobiec that started a grassroots pressure campaign against the individual who was leading and is no longer leading the charge against Pete Hegseth, which was Joni Ernst.
		And we were unafraid to talk about primaries, unafraid to talk about challenging.
		By the way, she has now signal support for Pete Hegseth, so we will lay off and allow that to materialize hopefully into a Senate confirmation vote and for her to get some of the other folks that have her worldview in the Senate to follow.
		But understand to every Senate Republican out there that waivers are going to go against the president's agenda, we will primary you.
		We said that.
		That's not a veiled threat.
		That is not some sort of like secret agenda.
		We're very open about it.
		That goes to Mike Rounds in South Dakota or Crapo in Idaho.
		Or Jerry Moran in Kansas, or Cindy Hyde-Smith in Mississippi, that if you stand against MAGA, you stand against the President's agenda, why is it that that list of people, amongst others, were very quick to conform Lloyd Austin for Joe Biden, and Merrick Garland for Joe Biden, and some of them, Alejandro Mayorkas, that they are given the hardest time for President Trump's nominees?
		You must give Trump his cabinet.
		We're going to be talking about that at AmFest, but it's this audience that made the noise, did the work, That turned the tide.
		We are not there yet.
		We are not there yet.
		But Pete Hegseth is now in a heavily favored position to be confirmed, thanks to this audience.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Real quickly, Cash.
		Your thoughts on Cash?
		His nomination, his percentage probability of being FBI director.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		I give it 90 to 95 percent.
		We are not seeing any sort of Senate defections.
		Cash is an excellent person.
		I was pushing for Cash both publicly and privately.
		So thrilled the President made that decision.
		We need to see that all the way through and make sure the U.S. Senators confirm him.
		And I don't think he'll get any Democrats, but Cash might lose one or two Republican Senators.
		That's enough.
		That's enough to get him across the finish line.
		Cash Patel will change the FBI to be an actual law enforcement agency.
		to go after fentanyl trafficking, child sex trafficking, Chinese espionage, and no longer put the FBI as an intelligence network against Catholic faithful, against mom and dads at school board meetings.
		That's all gonna come to an end.
		Kash Patel will be a phenomenal FBI director.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Charlie, one more time, where do people go right now to sign for AmFest?
		It's going to be a great gathering.
		It's going to be tons of fun.
		You're going to learn.
		You're going to get totally fired up and positioned for what has to happen in the first hundred days of President Trump's second term.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		Guys, this is the time to bring your entire family.
		Come in the car.
		Come to AmericaFest.
		It's amfest.com.
		A-M-F-E-S-T.com.
		There's no gathering quite like it.
		Huge speakers yet to be announced.
		You just bring all of your friends, everybody that you know.
		And look, what a chance to celebrate.
		You guys earned this.
		You registered the voters.
		You chased the ballots.
		And so go right now to AmFest.com.
		It's in Phoenix, Arizona, especially the Arizona Posse right now.
		No excuses not to get your tickets and not to drive on by.
		Phoenix Convention Center.
		Steve, you'll attest to it.
		It's the top produced event.
		It's the most beautiful looking event.
		It is the most inspiring.
		It's not even close.
		And we do the best job at Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action.
		Go to AmFest.com.
		Be part of history.
		Celebrate alongside of us.
		Get fired up and trained for a magical 2025. One that you earned.
		It all starts at AmFest.com.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And put War Room in there to get a 25% discount.
		We'll look forward to seeing you out there.
		We'll have a great time.
		Charlie, thank you so much.
		I'll let you go get ready for the Charlie Kirk Show.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Two hours of populist nationalism every day.
		Michael Seifert joins us.
		Michael, brother, you were on here last time talking about the company.
		I was teasing you.
		I said, man, you're like, I don't know, you're trying to look like Don Jr. You threw out J.D. as your misdirection play.
		And you announced, immediately after you're off, you announced John Jr. is joining the board of directors.
		I didn't have any information.
		I just threw it out there.
		You're starting to look like him.
		Tell me about Don Jr. I think the stock went through the roof.
		Not that we followed that here in the war room, but tell me about Don Jr. joining the board.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Steve, I did think the timing was funny.
		I had to chuckle internally when you mentioned Don Jr. last week, because I couldn't say anything, but I knew we had some exciting news right around the corner.
		Donald Trump Jr. has joined our board of directors at publicsquare.com.
		Don's been a long friend, and everybody on this show knows Don for his excellence and leadership in the world of politics.
		What some people understand, but nobody fully gives the airtime to, is how wise of a business leader he is.
		He's a brilliant business strategist.
		He's excellent at marketing.
		And he's really the thought leader when you talk about small business community in the United States.
		In fact, Steve, this morning, Zero Hedge just put out an article that talked about how U.S. small businesses have experienced the most sharp jump in optimism in 44 years now.
		And it's the best they've felt since before Biden came into office.
		So American small business owners are coming back.
		That's been reflected on Public Square.
		We've experienced the best week of orders we've ever had on the site.
		Small businesses are getting supported again.
		Don Jr. is joining the board to lead the charge as the voice of American small businesses.
		And things could not be better for Public Square right now.
		So we are very grateful.
		And we are making beards great again.
		So thank you for the call out.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Tell me about, he's, since I've known Don Journey, he's been a huge advocate, even before it's trendy, of the patriot economy, that we had to stop, the first thing we had to do is stop giving money to people that hated us, that wanted to either put a woke gender in or really destroy MAGA. Walk me through this concept of the patriot economy, because that's kind of the, that's the framing device for public square.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly right, Steve.
		You know, starting about a decade ago, we would hear from these leftist activists that cheered on cancel culture.
		And they would say, if you don't like this, just build your own.
		These are private companies.
		If Apple wants to cancel you, if Amazon wants to cancel you, or charge you exorbitant risk fees if you're a politically motivated business, if any of these folks want to cancel you, it's a free country.
		They can do what they want.
		You should just build your own.
		That was always the tagline at the end of any of these ridiculous statements.
		A company would cancel a patriot, the patriot would call it out online, and the leftist progressive activists would say, if you don't like it, build your own.
		After years of frustration, Steve, we built our own.
		And that's exactly what's at the heart of the patriot economy, a desire to build solutions.
		We are tired of the existing institutional incumbents that have abused or ignored Hundreds of millions of American people for far too long.
		And Don Jr. has been alert to this for long before the patriot economy was ever really a publicized thing because he has been canceled more than most anyone.
		I mean, I remember a few years ago at CPAC, Steve, when Don told the story about how his bank actually canceled him.
		They didn't want to take the reputational risk of banking with Don Jr. and they pulled the rug from him.
		Don has recognized, more than anybody in this country, the need to create economic solutions that would celebrate the liberties that are inherent to every single American.
		These rights are granted by God.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's try to reboot.
		Anyway, publicsquare.com.
		Go there today.
		Don Jr. is on the board.
		You go.
		It's no charge to you.
		You sit there and look at all these great products and services.
		If you're an entrepreneur, if you're a company, You can also listen, get access to a vast market.
		We've known Seaford for a long time.
		He was a tech guy on Silicon Valley and kind of saw the direction this thing was headed and decided to do and turn it around, do something that was positive and powerful, and he's done it.
		PublicSquare.com.
		It's publicly traded.
		Don Jr. is on the board.
		So it's pretty extraordinary.
		We're going to go.
		I'll tell you what.
		We have a special guest.
		I think he's going to try to be here in the D Block.
		He's going to be here momentarily.
		We're going to take a short commercial break.
		When I say this about getting rid of everybody, they all got to go day one.
		But there's something else happening up here right now.
		And I got to give an alert.
		I don't think people are quite thinking this through.
		I keep talking about the Doge guys.
		Elon, these guys, they've got to merge with OMB because they're advised to OMB. They've got to get on this appropriations process.
		The CR, remember, that's going to get kicked into the first 90 days of President Trump so President Trump can craft his own budget, which is a positive thing.
		But this NDAA, if it's approved, unless somebody can explain to me otherwise, and I think I kind of understand this, they're really blocking Elon and Vivek from any touching of a trillion-dollar defense budget.
		I think the top-line number is kind of locked in.
		Now, maybe this is where we've got to do the impoundment, but hey, we hate to start off playing Smash Mouth right at the beginning.
		This NDAA, we've got to get to the bottom of it.
		I think it just should be kicked into next year.
		And if they've got to say, well, it's got to be done annual, then just put some little rider on it and vote.
		It's okay.
		It's going to be grandfathered.
		We're kicking it.
		Nothing this scale should be passed right now, particularly a trillion-dollar defense budget.
		Special guest next in the war room.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Van. .
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, special guest joins us, Boris Epstein.
		Thank you very much.
		Great to hear you.
unidentified		Thank you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Can we just get a summary on, like, where we stand with President Trump?
		Because I played the Kristen Welker to start the show.
		She asked him, tries to trick him, well, would you turn the page in 2020 and right now say you lost 2020?
		He goes, of course I'm not going to say that.
		No.
		By the way, she did not bring her best.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		She did not.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		And with all due respect to Kristen.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Well, I like Kristen.
		She's very good.
		She's good people.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		She did not bring her best and got absolutely annihilated.
		But it was a perfect lead-in to the full-spectrum dominance of the weekend and President Trump going to Europe, which I think was a completely historic trip.
		Historic.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Charlemagne shows up.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Besides Jill Biden playing Goo Goo Eyes, what's the over that she voted for Trump?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Over Kamala Harris?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		100%.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you compare the way she looked at Notre Dame to how they looked at the Kennedy Center awards, I think the answer is clear.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		The chill between the Bidens and the Harris...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		People, if you haven't seen that video, it's all chilling.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		The Harris-Amhoff family, it's cold.
		It's cold as ice.
		It's colder than Moscow in December.
		But on the legal front, in all seriousness...
		President Trump and his legal team, the lawyers who have done it, Todd Blanche, Emil Bobe, John Laurel, Greg Singer.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean the Department of Justice.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		John Sauer, Will Scharf.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Some random names.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		The team has done a completely unbelievable job.
		Steve Sadow in Georgia.
		An unbelievable, unparalleled job.
		So the federal cases are dead.
		Jack Smith dismissed the nonsense DC case.
		And to Crystal Walker's question, if she really has it, the size of the victory in 2024 makes it clear that there's no way on God's green earth that Joe Biden got anywhere near 81 million votes in 2020. So the Jack Smith cases are dead.
		January 6th was dismissed.
		In Florida, interestingly, they dismissed the appeal because, remember, Judge Cannon already dismissed that case.
		In New York, in that ridiculous witch hunt with Judge Marshawn, We filed our motion to dismiss.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Alvin Bragg's had a bad run.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		It has not been.
		Alvin Bragg's not having a good time.
		And if there's something I know about somebody, he's about to have a continuation of his bad time.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He's not on a roll.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Let's put it overall.
		These witch hunts.
		This weaponization, the disgusting misuse of our law enforcement has absolutely backfired on the Democrats, on the radicals, on the leftists.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We had a jury of 150 million, roughly, people on...
		November 5th.
		And they rendered their verdict.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		No doubt about it.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		All over the country.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But that word still hasn't gotten here because they're in the White House with the war breaking out and the Ottoman Empire coming back and they're still trying to get people across the border.
		We've got Ben Burke running them down there.
		People across the border.
		They're sitting there all night and they're leaking this.
		So they must think it's a positive of blanket preemptive pardons.
		What does that mean for you, sir?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, There's no doubt, and we've been very consistent about this, that the power of the president is infinite when it comes to pardons, right?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		It's unfettered.
unidentified		Yes.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		And overall, presidential power, presidential immunity, that immunity case, Steve, someday, long time ago, and we're both long gone, people will look back on that U.S. v.
		Trump case that President Trump won as one of the—that's a Marbury v.
		Madison— Level case.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		And a great job done by the Chief Justice in writing it.
		The breadth of it, the strength of it, in a lot of ways, it saved our republic.
		So that's one.
		What they're talking about over there, Kash Patel must be getting people very scared.
		And by the way, how about the reception that Kash is getting up in the Senate?
		It's unbelievable.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Pax is in a good spot.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		President Trump put out a great truth about it a few days ago.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Cash is in a good spot.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's in a good spot.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		We're full steam ahead.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And he wants this team.
		All day, we just had Charlie on here.
		He got shot in the head, and then four months later, won a landslide victory.
		He gets to pick who he wants to pick, right?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		It's the largest, most definite mandate, I would say, in recent modern American history.
		And President Trump gets to have the team he wants.
		Not the team that any sort of establishment group wants.
		It's the team President Trump wants.
		That's what he deserves.
		And that's what he will get.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You know the name.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Up and down the line.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Up and down.
		It's great.
		Real quickly, you've got about two minutes, minute and a half.
		You know this region very well.
		The collapse of Syria.
		How do we avoid getting sucked in?
		Because right now, that arc of instability, you know that territory very well.
		It's dangerous, and they're pushing us to do bombing runs, to go in there.
		What should we do?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		We've got to be careful not to repeat the mistakes of Egypt, not to repeat the mistakes of what happened in Libya after Gaddafi, and Lebanon all over the country.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The Arab Spring.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		And you know what's interesting?
		I remember I was in a specific place, and let's be honest, on the Upper East Side of Manhattan people, oh, this is so exciting.
		This is so great.
		So great.
		It's the Muslim Brotherhood coming in.
		We've got to be realistic.
		We've got to be pragmatic.
		And really, we've got to make it to January 20th because once we do, President Trump will be fully in charge.
		He's pretty much fully in charge now if you look at what happened in Europe.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		How much are they trying to box him in, both in the war, what they're doing with the balance sheet of the country, and they're still trying to get, with the app, still get more people into the country?
		Those three big lines of work.
		Are they trying to handcuff Trump so he can't do anything when he first gets here?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		It's either definite and intentional or it's incompetence.
		As they say in casino, it's bad either way.
		And it's a horrible combination.
		Are they trying to handicap him?
		Absolutely.
		Do they not know what they're doing?
		Absolutely yes also.
		It's a bad combination.
		We've got to get through the next month and a couple days now, a month and ten days.
		And once we do, this country is going to be in safe hands with President Donald J. Trump.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The first time people have seen you in a long time.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You look not bad.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		Not tan like you, George Hamilton over here.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Give us your social media.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		No doubt about it.
		It's an honor to be here.
		Great to see you, Steve.
		Great to be in the original war room.
		It's a great place.
		I remember three years ago, there's a lot of...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		With the tanks outside for you?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		There were a lot of open time slots.
		Not like there's not a lot of open time slots.
		But, yeah, great to be here.
		At Boris EP on True Social, at Boris EP on Twitter, hot on Instagram, Boris underscore.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're still coming in hot?
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		I'm coming in hot on the gram, and of course, head up to the website, BorisCP.com.
unidentified		It's an honor to be here.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Mike Lindell, sell Boris a pillow.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Go for it, sir.
boris epshteyn ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to sleep.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼		Steve, I lost my voice a little bit.
unidentified		I argue with IRS agents all day today, so...
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, brother.
		Appreciate you.
		I'll see you this afternoon.
		We're back 5 to 7 live next.
		Charlie Kirk.
		Here in Real America's Voice, two hours of populist nationalism served up hot, Jack Posobiec.
		After that, we're back five to seven.

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