Nov. 25, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| And we have seen some extreme right-wing picks and other very conventional ones. | ||
| His choice for Treasury Secretary, you point out the inconsistency with the debt, perhaps, but most felt like, well, that's a conventional pick. | ||
| Make no mistake, every banker, every person on Wall Street that we talked to over the past couple of weeks, I said what I said only because I'm obsessed with deficits and the debt, and that was a huge decision to make, which I know you'll want to talk about tax cuts and what How you pay for those tax cuts, because we learn time and again they don't pay for themselves. | ||
| But, no, the Treasury Secretary, Wall Street, banks, the markets, they're all very happy. | ||
| Yeah, and we'll sail through. | ||
| There's no expectation of any concern there whatsoever. | ||
| And a number of his picks Friday night were in a bliss. | ||
| We had like a couple dozen came out in a few hours on a Friday. | ||
| Some of the health choices raised a few eyebrows, but for the most part, conventional picks that were met with some acclaim on both sides of the aisle. | ||
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I think President Trump deserves the ability with the mandate that he got for the American people to put people in positions who are going to do reform. | |
| There's some things we can do in Congress, oversight and legislation, but you really need reformers at the head of these different agencies. | ||
| And I think you're seeing that as a common theme. | ||
| I'm sure we'll talk about more of them, but there really is a lot of reform that needs to happen in the administrative state. | ||
| And he's talked about it a lot on the campaign trail. | ||
| And like I said, he's delivering on that. | ||
| It's all happening as Treasury yields have come down. | ||
| That does it for us today. | ||
| Make sure you join us right back here tomorrow. | ||
| Right now, it's time for Squawk on the Street. | ||
| Good Monday morning. | ||
| Welcome to Squawk on the Street. | ||
| I'm Carl Cantoneo with Jim Cramer, David Faber at Post 9 of the New York Stock Exchange. | ||
| Some calling it not the Trump rally, but the Bestin rally. | ||
| Stocks up, yields down on news of Scott Bestin being Trump's pick for Treasury. | ||
| Ten-year yield about a two-week low. | ||
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The curve briefly inverts on this holiday-shortened week. | |
| Our roadmap begins with rally mode. | ||
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Wall Street is coming off a winning week as the post-election rally does pick up steam once again. | |
| Plus, back to Trump's treasury. | ||
| Picky is hedge fund manager Scott Besson. | ||
| What that choice could mean for global markets. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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Mega Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's Monday, 25 November in the year of our Lord, 2024. | ||
| The Best in Bounce event. | ||
| And we told you for, I don't know, the past year that this would happen. | ||
| A safe pair of hands, steady pair of hands. | ||
| But a... | ||
| A crisis, nonetheless, you hear morning Joe yammer about this. | ||
| All of a sudden, it's so important to them. | ||
| Debt and deficit is so important to them after Biden added, I don't know, $10 trillion of debt. | ||
| Did you ever hear him say one people about that the entire time? | ||
| No, you did not. | ||
| It's only now. | ||
| Let's get to the signal and avoid the noise. | ||
| A lot of noise kicked up over the weekend on President Trump and the direction. | ||
| There are three, you know, we have the resistance and you have this, between the administrative state, outside groups, NGOs, billionaires, they're trying to regroup. | ||
| They're media. | ||
| But two weeks into this, three weeks into this, they're shattered to a degree. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| They're going to regroup and be a major piece. | ||
| But the most important thing that's happening... | ||
| For President Trump's transition in the start of a second term. | ||
| And this is my point that my mantra of seize the institutions is there's three lines of work right now and where the Biden regime, the illegitimate Biden regime, I might add, is working against the country's interests and working against President Trump's interests. | ||
| Let's break it down to the three broad lines of work of the fiasco and disaster of the Biden regime. | ||
| The invasion of the southern border that left, I don't know, 10, 11, 15 million illegal alien invaders. | ||
| And I've said over and over again, we do not demonize those folks that came across. | ||
| They were invited here by your government, your illegitimate regime that stole the 2020 election, invited them here, thought it permanently would create not just a voting bloc, But to drive down wages and add to the economy that they couldn't do themselves. | ||
| So it's the invasion. | ||
| Todd Benzman is going to be on here because we're going to show you exactly what this illegitimate regime of Biden and the administrative deep state are doing right now to make it even a bigger problem. | ||
| Like, it's not big enough. | ||
| Even a bigger problem than what we have. | ||
| The second is the wars. | ||
| World War III. As you know, we've been the proponent that we're in the early stages of World War III. Karen Sigmund and the team over at AFA, her alliance, have had conferences. | ||
| I've spoke at these conferences. | ||
| We've had, I don't know, five or six conferences over the last year and a half talking about the early years of the Third World War. | ||
| Well, The Biden regime with NATO is doing as much as they possibly can to throw gasoline onto the fire over in Ukraine. | ||
| Zero Hedge has a tremendous story, aggregates a lot that's going on, including... | ||
| Not just the NATO allies saying they want to put troops up there, but Biden stockpiling weapons, Biden giving authority, giving authority for the Ukrainians to fire American long-range missiles into Russia. | ||
| I believe there's technicians. | ||
| Nobody's asked these questions. | ||
| There's American technicians over there. | ||
| The British have just fired the British weapons. | ||
| I believe there's British technicians over there, fire control experts. | ||
| But even more shocking and kind of breathtaking is this revelation by the New York Times that American officials with European officials have had, this is the New York Times, baby, have had discussions about Deploying nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, into Ukraine. | ||
| Nothing could trigger a broader shooting war than to try to do it. | ||
| That is pure, total insanity. | ||
| And I'll read you in a little while, directly from the New York Times, what the statement is. | ||
| So in the war, they're doing everything to exacerbate this. | ||
| And then you've got the Middle East. | ||
| You've got the Middle East war around Israel, the International Criminal Court. | ||
| I think he's a war minister, international war criminals, Hungary, Viktor Orban, said, hey, welcome here. | ||
| If they go anywhere else, they'll be arrested inside of Europe. | ||
| So certainly the Persians, it looks like they're trying to gear up, exacerbated by the Biden regime. | ||
| In Ukraine, definitely. | ||
| Incredibly scary. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party has put out four red lines that Biden's just kind of rolled over to, four red lines, including Taiwan, that Taiwan's a province, America can't defend it, and particularly that America can't be supporting any democracy movement whatsoever. | ||
| And just to put a cherry on top of that, they sent to prison 45 pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong. | ||
| The last but not least is the debt and the deficit in this firestorm that's coming. | ||
| We still don't know, and it's still hard to kind of deconstruct exactly what Janet Yellen and the Federal Reserve have done this. | ||
| Remember, it was about a year ago, this time. | ||
| That you had this extraordinary kind of merger of the Fed and the Treasury on essentially turning the financing of our massive debt kind of how Argentina used to do it. | ||
| How developing nations and third world countries used to do it. | ||
| Because they had to just do short term financing of 90 day bills, 6 months, 30 days, just to kind of kick the can down the road. | ||
| With the Federal Reserve at the time cutting rates and adding more liquidity to the market, I think the QTs kind of had stopped. | ||
| Now we're in a situation, we just passed $36 trillion. | ||
| What did I tell you? | ||
| The $35 trillion. | ||
| You passed $35 trillion when I was in Danbury Prison in July, I think the middle of July. | ||
| Well, what, we're 100 days out? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Added another trillion dollars. | ||
| And now all of a sudden, the left's sitting there going, oh, this is just the worst thing in the world. | ||
| How do you do this? | ||
| Besant is a calming factor to the markets. | ||
| Listen, he is a MAGA guy, and he's got a MAGA growth scenario. | ||
| The last chance that we have preached on here, the last chance you're going to have to try to Didn't say we're gonna do it to try to, well, you can definitely, I think, stop the bleeding and try to grow your way out of here. | ||
| To have a growth strategy of economic growth and kind of going back to the animal spirits, a combination of smart tax cuts, can't cut everything. | ||
| Remember, we're pretty opposed In fact, I would say we're very opposed to any tax cuts to the wealthy or to the billionaires, kind of the donor class that got us into this jam with their political puppets. | ||
| But with the smart tax cuts for working class and middle class people, particularly we're huge advocates of no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security, and corporate taxes and the tax on the wealthy, you're going to have to figure out how to fill the gap, right? | ||
| But the problems are even deeper than that. | ||
| The problems now are this massive, massive debt that's been left to us by Yellen, by the Biden regime, and now all of a sudden, Morning Joe, you know, Morning Joe's a hawk. | ||
| He's a deficit-dead hawk. | ||
| They're all hawks now. | ||
| Well, how come we weren't hawks when we piled all this debt on and all this spending that we have no earthy idea if the spending's going to have any impact or not? | ||
| Go back, particularly folks have been on this show, been watching the show for a couple of years. | ||
| Remember, in January and February of 2020, 2020, when the pandemic first started, we were an advocate of what President Trump did. | ||
| You had to step into the breach, had to step into the breach because you had a massive implosion of what's called, in Keynesian economic theory, aggregate demand. | ||
| Because people were locked in. | ||
| People were, you know, when the COVID first hit and nobody really kind of fully understood what it was, you know, the bioweapon from the Chinese Communist Party, right? | ||
| Maybe with a little help from Barrack down at the University of North Carolina and Fauci with an assist from Fauci and Barrack and others funded by U.S. taxpayers. | ||
| But weaponized and then let out by the Chinese Communist Party out of Wuhan, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's exactly what happened. | ||
| And major parts of the intelligence community and the FBI and others know that, and that all come out in the fullness of time starting after January 20, the 20th of January of 2025. There was a need at the time because of imperfect information in the fog of war about you needed an infusion, | ||
| and President Trump gave that to kind of bridge, as we said, that bridge for aggregate demand was going to get us from one side of the pandemic to the other, with the economy still hitting on, trying to hit all cylinders, as Trump had it in 18 and 19. Okay? | ||
| That's not what Biden did. | ||
| And now we're left with A massive fiscal and financial and economic crisis. | ||
| So let's go back, and we've said the CR is on, we run out of money on the 20th of December, basically on Christmas Eve, essentially less than a month from now. | ||
| I think what they'll do is kick that over, and we're not, as you know, we fight all these CRs, but in this regard, it actually kicks it in to let President Trump and his team cut their first budget. | ||
| At the same time, I think it's January 3rd, That we hit the debt ceiling. | ||
| Now, Scott Besson and Russ Vogt, the touchdown twins of this economic program, I'm sure will come up with some way to waterfall the cash flow that we can kick it down a couple of months. | ||
| But the debt ceiling deal essentially expires on 2 January, 3 January. | ||
| And then you have the revision of the reversal of the tax cuts. | ||
| All three of those hit, and we've said for months and months and months, that's going to be an economic firestorm. | ||
| Gave a speech at Pinehurst a year ago, talking about the convergence of that financial crisis, coupled with the mass deportations. | ||
| Okay, Roger Kimball's going to join us. | ||
| He's got a great piece up, I think, in American Greatness. | ||
| We've got Chris Buskirk's American Greatness. | ||
| We've got Todd Benzman with Breaking News on the Border. | ||
| We're going to break down all of this and what President Trump and the transition team, what they are doing as a workaround. | ||
| Remember, there's one central item of this transition. | ||
| There's been no signed deal to actually formally engage with the Biden regime in a transition. | ||
| There's pretty good reasons for that. | ||
| President Trump, you know, was not born yesterday, and he's not going to allow the deep state and administrative state to do to him in 2024 and 2025 what they did to him in 16 and 17. Short commercial break. | ||
| You're in the war room. | ||
| Be back in just a moment. | ||
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Take a look here. | |
| President Trump's transition net approval. | ||
| You go back to November of 2016. Look at this. | ||
| It was just a plus one point. | ||
| Just a plus one point. | ||
| That was well, well, well below the historical norm. | ||
| Look at where we are today. | ||
| Significantly higher Plus 18 points. | ||
| That's 17 points higher on the presidential transition net approval rating. | ||
| The bottom line is this. | ||
| If eight years ago, Americans were lukewarm on Donald Trump, at this particular point, they're giving him much more of the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| A lot more Americans are in love with this transition. | ||
| This much more meets the historical norms where normally presidents get that boost coming out of their victory. | ||
| And what we're seeing here is Donald Trump's presidential transition is getting a thumbs up and, dare I say, two thumbs up from the American people. | ||
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And, you know, we're still in the appointment phase at this point, but it does give insight to sort of where this team is thinking to lead some of these key departments, of course. | |
| I mean, but how do people feel about the prospects of his presidency, given the context of some of these picks? | ||
| Yeah, it's not just that they like what Donald Trump is doing right now. | ||
| They're optimistic for the future. | ||
| So, again, let's compare ourselves now versus where we were eight years ago. | ||
| And what you see eight years ago 53% of Americans were scared or concerned, the majority, towards the upcoming Trump term. | ||
| Look at where we are now. | ||
| The shoe is on the other foot. | ||
| 53% of Americans are excited or optimistic. | ||
| It's flip-flop, where a majority, a narrow majority, eight years ago, We're scared or concerned about the upcoming Trump term. | ||
| Now what we see is that the majority is excited or optimistic about the Trump term. | ||
| So what we're just seeing is very different numbers from where we were eight years ago. | ||
| Eight years ago, folks really were not that in love with the Trump transition. | ||
| Now they are. | ||
| And more than that, looking forward to the upcoming Trump term. | ||
| Eight years ago, the majority were scared or concerned. | ||
| Now the majority are excited or optimistic. | ||
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And look, I mean, the reality is for these cabinet picks, they've got to get confirmed by the Senate here. | |
| And so I think, rightfully so, a lot of concern has gone into, okay, where will Republicans fall in supporting these picks since they are the majority? | ||
| But Democrats were also very opposed to Trump's picks and his presidency overall in 2017 coming in. | ||
| Where are they now? | ||
| I think one word to describe Democrats now is just... | ||
| They're exhausted. | ||
| They're tired. | ||
| You know, it's very hard being in the opposition. | ||
| Donald Trump wears out his opponents, and I think they've done that here, so Democrats. | ||
| Trump's win motivates me in what way to do things. | ||
| Just 44 percent say to oppose Donald Trump. | ||
| The majority, the 56 percent, either 46 percent... | ||
| It doesn't motivate me at all, which I think is really the exhaustion pick, right? | ||
| This is the plurality. | ||
| Or 10% say it actually motivates them to support Donald Trump. | ||
| Together, these numbers get 56%, far higher than the 44% who say oppose Donald Trump. | ||
| The bottom line is this. | ||
| Republicans very motivated by Donald Trump's win, and compared to eight years ago, Democrats just really Really tired. | ||
| They have just given up. | ||
| We'll see what happens, right? | ||
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Yeah, this is November 2024. I think a lot of people are exhausted after the election. | |
| I think a lot of people are exhausted, but this is really a very different picture from eight years ago. | ||
| The American folks are much more behind Donald Trump than they were back in November of 2016. And Democrats, who were so rich in their opposition to Donald Trump eight years ago, at this particular point, they're just like, eh, I'm going to take a step back. | ||
| That's Harry Enten. | ||
| I told you, Harry Enten, I think, is, given the corporate media and the mainstream media, he's about as straight a guy as you can get in giving you facts. | ||
| Kornacki's not bad either. | ||
| I mean, come on, for the places they work, they're not too shabby. | ||
| Harry Enten right there, laying it out. | ||
| And War Room Posse, Cadre, this is when you double and triple down. | ||
| You then drive, drive, drive. | ||
| They're exhausted. | ||
| They're broken. | ||
| Unlike us and you, Who are such heroes, and President Trump, in January 2021, and I understand, you gotta look in your own soul, three-quarters of people threw in the towel, but 25%, a third of MAGA said, no, we're gonna double down. | ||
| That is the hinge of history. | ||
| It's exactly those moments when great change can happen. | ||
| Right now, and hey, don't take a victory lap, but at least temporarily we've shattered them. | ||
| They're going to regroup. | ||
| But that's why now's the time to drive it, drive it, drive it. | ||
| We'll never get this opportunity again. | ||
| This is why it ought to be all gas, no brake. | ||
| And what the Republican, you know, rearguard opposition McConnell's doing is trying to put these brakes on. | ||
| Oh, we need some more conventional choices. | ||
| No. | ||
| You need full-on, you have a unique opportunity to take on the administrative state and to break it apart. | ||
| This radical fourth branch of government that was never envisioned. | ||
| By the revolutionary generation or the founders and framers of the Constitution and really the people that laid the foundation for this great nation. | ||
| We've got a lot to get to. | ||
| Benzman's going to join. | ||
| We're going to move Benzman up because it's so important. | ||
| Remember, three lines of work are what they're trying to do. | ||
| They're trying to still exacerbate and leave more chaotic the southern border situation, try to get as many people in here and try to make it as difficult as possible to do the mass deportations. | ||
| Second, on the war, beyond out of control and dangerous, talking about New York Times reporting. | ||
| Not Breitbart, not Gateway Pundit, not Revolver, not those groups, not Citizen Free Press, not the folks on our side of the football, but the revered paper of record, the New York Times reporting that American and European officials have had discussions with officials in Ukraine About the deployment of nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons inside of Ukraine. | ||
| And also stockpiling American conventional weapons to kind of hamstring Trump's ability to negotiate a peace that he would think would be a smart peace deal. | ||
| And last but not least, the debt, the financial crisis, all of that. | ||
| That is above Scott Besson. | ||
| Very well received by global markets as... | ||
| We said over and over and over again, it's not going to be really choppy going forward. | ||
| It is, but at least initially, they viewed Besson as a guy that understands global capital markets. | ||
| As you know, since his very first media hit was on this show back in, or series media hit, was on this show back in January or February of this year, when he got to introduce himself to MAGA. Birchgold.com slash bandit. | ||
| Make sure you go check it out now. | ||
| End of the Dollar Empire. | ||
| Eight free installments. | ||
| And Rachel Maddow and your producers, no, we're not trying to destroy the dollar. | ||
| We're trying to save it. | ||
| There's a lot of debate and discussions about whether we want it to be the prime reserve currency. | ||
| That should be part of a national debate. | ||
| I think we're going to have that in the next couple of years. | ||
| But it's about what the elites have done with a fiat currency to kind of destroy the purchasing power of the dollar. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons in back of the rise of gold, right? | ||
| But Philip Patrick and the team can give you the details of that. | ||
| We kind of give you the macro, particularly the BRICS nations trying to come up with an alternative. | ||
| Birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| Go check it out today. | ||
| All free. | ||
| Roger Kimball, amazing piece, Roger. | ||
| Roger is, I think, I would say, the leading public intellectual of the MAGA movement. | ||
| Roger, head of Encounter Books, a true Renaissance man. | ||
| Talk to me about the administrative state, this piece. | ||
| Why did you write it now, sir? | ||
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Well, it seems that this is the moment. | |
| This is a moment of great optimism, as you said. | ||
| We have an historic opportunity now to deal with some of the problems which have been bequeathed, not only by Joe Biden, not only by Barack Obama, but by a long history of efforts to take over the government, | ||
| to displace the prerogatives of Congress, the branch of our government that is entrusted with the legislative power of government, but slowly at first and then more and more rapidly What people like you and me have called the administrative state has taken over, | ||
| and we are ruled now not by our elected officials, they do not govern us, but a vast, sprawling bureaucracy of unelected and largely unaccountable bureaucrats rule us. | ||
| This is precisely the kind of despotism that Alexis de Tocqueville looked forward to in Democracy in America when he warned about democratic despotism. | ||
| He said, In a democracy, in a modern democracy, what you would see is despotism installing itself, as it were, by stealth. | ||
| And it would do this by promulgating an ever more complex network of rules and regulations that would reach into the interstices of everyday life and stymie initiative and transform the public From free citizens into a herd of sheep over which the government would preside as a | ||
| So, Roger, hang over a second. | ||
| So, we've got a couple minutes here, and I'm going to hold you through the break. | ||
| Look, you have bureaucrats because you have a big bureaucracy, but the hit on us is that this is all a conspiracy theory. | ||
| There's no administrative state. | ||
| There's no deep state. | ||
| This is from the fever swamps of the hard right. | ||
| That energizes and enervates the Trump base, but there is no administrative state and there is no deep state. | ||
| Your response, sir? | ||
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That's patent nonsense. | |
| Take a trip to your local DMV. Have an interaction with the IRS. Try to start a business. | ||
| When Elon Musk told us that he had to provide a statement about how his rockets were going to affect The sharks in the water where the rockets were going to come down, that is a perfect illustration of the administrative state in action. | ||
| We try to build a house. | ||
| Where I live, we were affected by Hurricane Sandy several years ago, and the nightmare of dealing with FEMA, With the local building authority made the reality of the administrative state all too patent to me. | ||
| And by the way, people talk about conspiracy... | ||
| Hey, Roger, hang on one second. | ||
| I want to get to more of this, the conspiracy theory part of it all. | ||
| Roger Kimball from Encounter Books and American Greatness on the Trump's unique opportunity to take on and dismantle the administrative and deep state. | ||
| Todd Benzman. | ||
| About the exacerbation of the invasion of our country on the southern border by the illegitimate Biden regime. | ||
| And we will discuss the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons into Ukraine, as reported in the paper of record of our beloved Republic, the New York Times. | ||
| All next. | ||
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| Glenn's story on the team. | ||
| PatriotMobile.com. | ||
| So look, Roger, what you named is interesting, but that's just bureaucrats. | ||
| And I'm sorry to build your new mansion down on the... | ||
| On the beach in Jersey or wherever, that you've got to get a couple of permits or, Roger, they make you to get another photo. | ||
| But hang on. | ||
| And this is the point. | ||
| They point the finger to the Roger Kimbles of the world and the Steve Bannon's world and said, you guys went to all these highfalutin schools. | ||
| You're all Ivy League guys. | ||
| You know that there's no administrative state, but you're feeding... | ||
| You're feeding the hard right of the Trump movement with all these fantasies that there's some administrative state and then there's a rogue element, the deep state, which is the intelligence, military, and law enforcement aspect of it. | ||
| So once again, I'm going to ask you, why do you say in your piece that this is a unique moment in time for President Trump and the people around him to actually deconstruct the administrative state and take down the deep state, sir? | ||
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Right. | |
| Okay, so you've asked two questions here. | ||
| Why is this a unique moment? | ||
| I'll get to that in just a second. | ||
| But the first question is, isn't this just bureaucracy? | ||
| Isn't this just government? | ||
| Aren't we just witnessing the operation of a standard, huge administration? | ||
| It's a complicated country, after all. | ||
| And my answer is no. | ||
| For two reasons. | ||
| One, people like to use the phrase conspiracy theory as if that somehow negates the legitimacy of what's being described. | ||
| But some conspiracy theories are correct. | ||
| So when Calpurnia told Julius Caesar that there were conspiracy theories about his being assassinated in 44 BC and the ides of March, He scoffed at it, but it turns out that was a true conspiracy theory. | ||
| But that's one point, that do not let people delegitimate what you're saying by the epithet conspiracy theory, because sometimes conspiracies are real. | ||
| The second point is this. | ||
| What we have seen, is the administrative state real? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is the deep state real? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For the same reason that the Stalinist and the Leninist deep state was real. | ||
| Lenin said that communism means keeping track of everything. | ||
| And that is what the administrative state is trying to do. | ||
| We've erected this gigantic surveillance regulatory apparatus. | ||
| And just as a subject of the Soviet Union would have been subjugated to that administrative state, so we in this country are increasingly subject to the American version of that. so we in this country are increasingly subject to the It's not as brutal yet. | ||
| I hope it never will be. | ||
| But it is every bit as active and reaching into all aspects of our life. | ||
| So when people say, well, is there this thing called the administrative state? | ||
| No, but what it is is you can see with your own eyes the way in which we have gradually and then rapidly moved away from the vision of the founders, where we have three branches of government and only three, not four. | ||
| They didn't have a provision for this vast cadre of, again, We're unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats. | ||
| That is one of the keys here. | ||
| They're not elected by anyone. | ||
| You can't get rid of them, except with grave difficulty, and they run our lives. | ||
| So the reality of this deep state, this administrative state, I think is, I mean, who are you going to believe? | ||
| Me or your lying eyes, as I think it was Groucho Marx said earlier. | ||
| But to the second point, why is this an historic moment? | ||
| Because Donald Trump has just won a decisive victory. | ||
| And he's won not just the electoral votes, not just the popular vote. | ||
| He has won the zeitgeist. | ||
| You just were playing a segment from CNN, of all places, noting the Trump effect, that somehow everybody seems to be a little more positive about this transition. | ||
| And the opportunity that has been given to us is very, very rare. | ||
| And I really hope that Elon Musk And Vivek Ramaswamy, with their Department of Governmental Efficiency, are able to do what they outlined in their piece in The Wall Street Journal a few days ago, which I summarized in my piece in American Greatness yesterday, which is to attack the regulatory apparatus, to lower the headcount of the number of bureaucrats, | ||
| and finally to effect important cost savings for the American people. and finally to effect important cost savings for the American I think it can be done. | ||
| And by the way, they mentioned things like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and Planned Parenthood. | ||
| You know, a few billion dollars of expenditures. | ||
| But one they didn't mention that I'd like to mention is the National Endowment for Democracy, which gets, I think, about $320 million from the government. | ||
| It's a private It's a private entity that Congress funds. | ||
| On their board are people like Victoria Nuland and Anne Applebaum. | ||
| These people are out there promoting war in Ukraine and elsewhere. | ||
| It's a very bad agency. | ||
| As we've gone through in the show many times, the National Endowment for Democracy started with Jesse Helms and the anti-communist warriors back in the 80s and 90s, but it has been taken over by the color revolution crowd of Robert Kagan and his quite destructive and dangerous wife, Victoria Nuland, and others, the Ann Applebombs of the world, which are always trying to get us into... | ||
| Roger, one thing, if you're going to make a scene, by the way, I love the Caesar, with Caesar's wife warning him. | ||
| The other conspiracy, too, was that, and this relates directly to Trump, is that his guys warning him that the Senate... | ||
| We're coming after him on a conspiracy to charge Caesar with corruption and gall of all the great work he had done in conquering Gaul. | ||
| That's why he headed back to the Rubicon and said, maybe I have something to say about that. | ||
| But this was exactly like what the deep state, let's talk about the deep state aspect of this. | ||
| The deep state came after Trump in a way that is unfathomable to the American people. | ||
| And unprecedented. | ||
| MSNBC and the New York Times, they put democracy on the ballot as their number one thing. | ||
| We had a referendum on that. | ||
| The American people rendered a verdict, and you're right. | ||
| They want a change to the zeitgeist. | ||
| They want that to go away. | ||
| Is that part of your understanding of why this is a moment, sir? | ||
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Well, absolutely. | |
| The people you just had from CNN, they said the Democrats are tired. | ||
| They're very tired. | ||
| But you were right. | ||
| They will regroup. | ||
| And this moment is really, it's rare, maybe unique in our history. | ||
| We must seize it. | ||
| And Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, they are going to be part of the transition. | ||
| They will be able to do this stuff if we let them. | ||
| And I think this moment's not going to come again. | ||
| And it's the only way in which we can begin to whittle away at the deep state. | ||
| And I mean, we are in a fiscal crisis. | ||
| I don't, you know, you get up in the morning, you have your coffee, you may not quite recognize it. | ||
| But we have a federal debt of almost $36 trillion. | ||
| That's, you know, it's an unfathomable number. | ||
| And if we do not get our fiscal house in order, this country will be swallowed up by debt. | ||
| And that's part of what they want to do, of course. | ||
| Where do people get access to you, sir? | ||
|
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Well, I write a weekly column for American Greatness, and I write regularly for The Spectator, both the English and American version, and I write for The New Criterion, my magazine, and other places, the London Telegraph, for example. | |
| And I'm on X, formerly Twitter. | ||
| My handle is just at Roger Kimball. | ||
| Yeah, there you are. | ||
| Roger, thank you so much. | ||
| Great piece. | ||
| We're going to make sure it gets everywhere. | ||
| Grace and Mo are going to push this out hard today. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Let's talk about the conversion, which Roger was talking about. | ||
| You've got the Doge Cadre. | ||
| Of Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and a team they're putting together. | ||
| And that team has put a landing team in the imperial capital of what you're going through. | ||
| Remember the Wall Street Journal article. | ||
| You can get it all. | ||
| Roger breaks it all down for you. | ||
| Number one, start to take apart the regulatory apparatus. | ||
| Obviously, you need certain regulations. | ||
| Nobody's saying you don't need that. | ||
| But to take... | ||
| The regulatory apparatus that is choking entrepreneurism. | ||
| Number two, go to headcount. | ||
| And that headcount, I might add, because we've done the math, you've got 2.5 million federal employees, about 2.5 million military. | ||
| Of the 18 million contractors, about 4 or 5 million, I believe, are in kind of managerial functions. | ||
| I just rounded, kind of rounding there. | ||
| But roughly, then you have, if you add that together, you've got about 10 million people. | ||
| That folks that are running this $6.5 trillion apparatus, you've got to reduce the headcount and the billets, and you need cost savings. | ||
| Dramatic. | ||
| It's not just waste, fraud, and abuse. | ||
| Let's put that, yeah, there's certainly waste. | ||
| There's certainly some fraud, no doubt about it. | ||
| There's certainly abuse, inefficiencies, all that. | ||
| But this is programmatic, and that is the second part of the puzzle. | ||
| Remember, Doge, at the end of the day, When you look at their agreement, it's nothing more than an advisory and consulting group to, wait for it, Russ Vogt and OMB. This is why Russ Vogt is so important. | ||
| Russ Vogt's now announced as the director of OMB and that's been, I think, embraced except for the madness that they're throwing at him as being a Christian nationalist in 2025 and all that. | ||
| But Russ's OMB will be the driving force with Doge kind of on a flank, helping them, assisting them, highlighting as these guys can really get to the media. | ||
| The other aspect of that you also have is the legislative branch, because remember, we go through a process. | ||
| We fought back with the McCarthy situation in January and February of 2023 to get the appropriations process. | ||
| There'll be 12 individual bills that are all going through. | ||
| That appropriations process, now with subcommittees, I think Joni Ernst in the Senate, MTG and the House will also be, I think, an oversight working with appropriations. | ||
| When you merge all of that together, you have for the first time, after decades and decades and decades of talk about taking down the leviathan of too big a government to get back to limited government, you actually have the forces arrayed for battle now. | ||
| From tech entrepreneurs, people that are brilliant about cutting costs, all the way to Russ Vogt and the team over at OMB, to now Capitol Hill awakened to the fact that why did we appropriate this just to cut it later? | ||
| Maybe we get into the appropriations process and cut it out at the beginning. | ||
| This is the beginning of action, action, action, and using your agency. | ||
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| I think one word to describe Democrats now is just, they're exhausted. | ||
| They're tired. | ||
| You know, it's very hard being in the opposition. | ||
| Donald Trump wears out his opponents, and I think they've done that here. | ||
| So Democrats, Trump's win motivates me in what way to do things Just 44% say to oppose Donald Trump. | ||
| The majority, the 56%, either 46%, it doesn't motivate me at all, which I think is really the exhaustion pick, right? | ||
| This is the plurality. | ||
| Or 10% say it actually motivates them to support Donald Trump. | ||
| Together, these numbers get 56%, far higher than the 44% who say oppose Donald Trump. | ||
| The bottom line is this. | ||
| Republicans very motivated by Donald Trump's win, and compared to eight years ago, Democrats just really, really tired. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| Please never forget, I know this audience won't, but for those maybe new viewers and new listeners, the Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis and the Mike Pompeo and all the Mitch McConnell and particularly Paul Ryan. | ||
| In fact, if my team, can we cut some of the Paul Ryan vitriol? | ||
| Trump can't win. | ||
| Where are they now? | ||
| Where are they now? | ||
| They're all skipping around and loving what Trump's doing. | ||
| They love the wins. | ||
| They don't want to work for the win. | ||
| In fact, they want to work against it. | ||
| And then what they want to do now is thwart the full-on assault on the administrative and deep state. | ||
| This is what the Gates appointment was. | ||
| The Attorney General, Pam Bondi, she's a tough hombre, right? | ||
| She'll be fine. | ||
| She has a great team around her. | ||
| She's not Gates, but then Gates is pretty unique. | ||
| This is why they stopped him. | ||
| This convergence to get on with it has to be more than to deregulate. | ||
| Look, what the Doge guys are laying out is absolutely solid. | ||
| We've argued for this for years, and now they bring the throw weight to actually get it done. | ||
| You combine that with Russ Vogt, you combine that with some savvy, tough people, particularly people that understand the appropriations process and media, like MTG, that's a powerful combo. | ||
| That's a team. | ||
| And this has to be a team sport. | ||
| It's not going to be any one individual because the administrative state is too vast. | ||
| So, it's looking good, but that's why in the moment of history, agency, agency, agency. | ||
| Attack, attack, attack. | ||
| Be on offense right now. | ||
| When you have them shattered and you have them in the fetal position, sucking their thumb, looking for a pacifier, this is when you roll hard, hard, hard. | ||
| This is the reason we won. | ||
| We're harder than they are. | ||
| There are a lot of people, I respect their fight on the other side. | ||
| I totally disagree with the ideology. | ||
| But I respect their fight, but their bench is not that deep when it comes to fighters. | ||
| They're quitters. | ||
| You see them about running and leaving the country, right? | ||
| That's why now we turned out to be harder. | ||
| After they came out of this with total state power, people did not collapse. | ||
| People did not run away. | ||
| Traditional Republicans ran away. | ||
| The established order ran away. | ||
| You know this. | ||
| Look at your friends. | ||
| Look at people in the conservative media space. | ||
| See where they were a couple of years ago. | ||
| Why? | ||
| They're not hard enough. | ||
| They're not tough enough. | ||
| We went through this kind of Darwinian process, and guess what? | ||
| This audience won. | ||
| Because you're hard, you're tough, you're focused, you're relentless. | ||
| You've got that good old American grit and cussedness that made this country the most powerful nation in the history of the earth. | ||
| Todd Bensman, there are forces out there aligned against us that are trying to destroy this country and still trying to do it, and they've targeted working-class African Americans and working-class Hispanic citizens as their target to destroy because they are not giving up on the invasion of this country, as you report. | ||
| Can you get us up to date, sir? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what's happening at the border right now is the Trump Effect 2.0. | ||
| If you remember, the Trump Effect was the term given to the first term, just the talk, the tough talk that was heard around the world among the aspiring illegal aliens. | ||
| And they decided to stay home just at the talk. | ||
| You've got to have follow through with action, though. | ||
| We're at the tough talk part again, 2.0. | ||
| The numbers are about 1,800 a day, border wide, 500 in Texas, and the rest, California and Arizona for the most part. | ||
| Those numbers are low. | ||
| Historically, by four years, we want to see those things down below 1,000 a day, even when Trump is actually doing deportations and pushbacks under Remain in Mexico. | ||
| But it's looking good right now. | ||
| But there are hundreds of thousands of aspiring illegal aliens in Mexico that are just busting to get over the border. | ||
| Still, the Mexican military is holding them back right now because Trump threatened trade tariffs. | ||
| If you let any of them through, Claudia Scheinbaum, the new president, it's going to be a big problem for your economy. | ||
| Nice economy you got there. | ||
| Be ashamed if anything bad happened to it sort of thing. | ||
| And then you have Tom Homan out there on the media circuit. | ||
| That cannot be by accident that he's on every media outlet that will take him right now because he is messaging deportations. | ||
| So he wants those hundreds of thousands to just like go home or stay in place. | ||
| And I think so far so good. | ||
| But they could rush that border between now and inauguration and hope that they get in and don't get caught up in mass deportation plans or anything like that. | ||
| So things are unstable, but pretty good so far with Trump Effect 2.0. | ||
| Okay, what, and give me a thing again about, but what are the Biden guys trying to do? | ||
| I understand that Mexico understands what's happening. | ||
| Central America understands what's happening. | ||
| I even hear that they're talking about building a wall down in the Darien Gap in Panama, right? | ||
| There's a whole sea change, the zeitgeist. | ||
| But simultaneously, we have, yeah, sea change. | ||
| Simultaneously, we have the, Biden hasn't given up. | ||
| I'm still trying to get as many people in this country as possible. | ||
| They're talking about a new app that would go through December 30th, correct? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Of course, what the administration is doing, the outgoing Lane Duck administration, is they're trying to get as many people in and Trump-proofed as they possibly can in the next 54 days. | ||
| They are fast-tracking People on the CBP-1 app who have applied and gotten in and trying to get them their applications approved so that they can fly more in, approved for flights, many more in and cross them over the land border as well at the ports of entry. | ||
| That's the CBP-1 app. | ||
| They're fast tracking that thing. | ||
| They're trying to make it as quickly as possible I have a USCIS officer who just is in the middle of all this who just told me that they had a big meeting and they were told all hands on deck to stamp approve, stamp approve, stamp approve, everybody on deck, get them in here as fast as possible to make facts on the ground that will be hard to reverse when the Trump people get into office. | ||
| And then also they're contemplating Reapplying temporary protected status. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| I want to explain all this to the audience. | ||
| This is trying to make the effort of the deportations even harder. | ||
| Stick around. | ||
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