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What does the FBI think when they hear a comment like that? | |
You know, it's terrifying. | ||
It's frightening. | ||
I have a lot of conversations with former colleagues, people who are or were in the intelligence and law enforcement community and may have worked in the Obama administration and other places. | ||
And, you know, people are really trying to assess, like, what is life going to be like if Donald Trump wins a second term? | ||
And on a very personal level, I mean, these are torturous discussions with their family members about whether or not they have to leave the country to avoid being unconstitutionally and illegally detained. | ||
I mean, people are actually worried about being thrown in jail or grabbed in some sort of extrajudicial detention. | ||
And I think, you know, as crazy as this sounds in the United States of America, I think people should really consider that these are possibilities. | ||
Listen to what the man says. | ||
He typically does what he says, as crazy as it seems. | ||
And that's really all the indicators you need. | ||
So let's talk about the FBI director. | ||
Your background in the FBI. Prior to that, it was the military. | ||
Then you were the intelligence. | ||
When you sit down with the president, it's confidential. | ||
But what is your pitch to replace Christopher Wray? | ||
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Yeah, and of course, the President hasn't said he's going to do that yet, and those deliberations probably were ongoing, so I couldn't talk about any of those things. | |
But listen, the Bureau has lost confidence in the American people. | ||
This is a tragedy. | ||
You think of the serious problems we have, Brian, with human trafficking, 30,000 people in this country illegally who have been convicted of rape or murder. | ||
This is where the FBI should be applying its resources. | ||
It should not be engaged in politics. | ||
And the culture of the FBI on the seventh floor needs to be changed. | ||
And that has to have a kind of a reckoning. | ||
You can cure the cancer without killing the patient, and that's exactly what needs to happen at the FBI. With Pam Bondi, who understands how to go after fentanyl problems, who understands how to use the Department of Justice and prosecution of these cases, With a functioning FBI that is not focused on politics, that is actually focused on crimes that are happening in neighborhoods that are destroying lives, that's kind of the thing that needs to happen. | ||
And then somebody who has been out there and put bracelets on people and done investigations from stem to stern, I think that helps because you understand how you get agents refocused to their purpose. | ||
And there's a lot of agents that want to get back to work. | ||
The thing about if you talk to President Trump on or off camera, he'll say to you, I don't want to blanket criticize the FBI because he knows the agents. | ||
And there's a huge difference between the agents out in the field, 35,000, and the ones that are in the building. | ||
The Andy McCabe's of the world that clearly had a huge problem. | ||
Peter Strzok had a huge problem with Trump as president. | ||
And we saw the laptop being dropped off with Biden as president. | ||
I don't want to go over the mechanics of that, but the fact that there's people... | ||
At the FBI, they would look at a laptop and just keep it quiet till after the election. | ||
How do you get rid of a culture that's almost waiting for somebody to challenge it? | ||
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Yeah, well, here's the good news. | |
I know how to challenge it and how to refocus them. | ||
And some of this and that cultural rot has got to go. | ||
Any personal animus that somebody would have politically that is still engaged in doing investigations is in the wrong business. | ||
You know, the FBI, when I was in the FBI, we didn't have these problems because you never I didn't even know have what my the political affiliation was with everybody on my organized crime squad. | ||
I couldn't tell you, you know, you had some ideas, but nobody talked about it. | ||
Nobody talked about a president. | ||
Nobody talked about what that president should or shouldn't be doing. | ||
We were focused on what the FBI is supposed to do. | ||
Listen, that's exactly what the FBI needs. | ||
You have to change the culture at the top. | ||
You have to get rid of all of these folks. | ||
The Public Integrity Unit has been trying to criminalize politics for the last 20 years. | ||
That needs to be revamped. | ||
All of that has to happen. | ||
It has to happen soon. | ||
And again, here's the good news. | ||
If agents are really willing to get back to work, there's plenty of places they can go to get back to work and doing the things that made the FBI the premier law enforcement agency in the world. | ||
It can still be that. | ||
But boy, does it need leadership and it needs to clean out the rot that's happening in the senior levels of the FBI as we watch it happen today. | ||
What do you make of the combination here? | ||
Because that's kind of been the struggle. | ||
Does Trump want someone who can get confirmed by the Senate? | ||
I mean, especially given what played out today. | ||
But also, he wants someone who is going to go in there and do what he wants. | ||
And he's been encouraged by a lot of people on the right to put Cash Patel in. | ||
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What would a combination of that look like, do you think? | |
So, in my estimation, Caitlin, No part of the FBI's mission is safe with Kash Patel in any position of leadership in the FBI, and certainly not in the deputy director's job. | ||
So just as an example, the deputy director's job in the FBI is unique because, of course, the director is a political appointee, and the deputy director is typically a senior FBI agent. | ||
Somebody spent their entire career learning about the FBI, understanding its people, and doing its work. | ||
Deputy Director actually runs the FBI on a day-to-day basis. | ||
You're essentially the Chief Operating Officer. | ||
I can tell you from my own experience, there is no way I could have successfully performed in that role without having spent the first 10 years of my career doing criminal work in the FBI and the next 10 years doing national security work. | ||
The scope of authority is enormous. | ||
I think I had about 78 or 80 direct reports when I served as FBI Deputy Director. | ||
56 of those people ran entire field offices. | ||
So you are enmeshed in every aspect of the FBI's work. | ||
If you enter into that position with nothing more than a desire to disrupt And destroy the organization. | ||
There is a lot of damage someone like Kash Patel could do in a position like Deputy Director at the FBI. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
It's going to happen. | ||
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
Okay, and welcome to Friday, 22 November, Year of the Lord, 2024. | ||
Important, I think, discussions, one might even say fights all over, with Treasury and this issue about recess appointments. | ||
Of course, you have both inter-squad scrimmages going on, let me say. | ||
Inter-squad scrimmages. | ||
And then you've got huge battles against the resistance and up on Capitol Hill. | ||
We're going to walk through all of it as we try to drive the narrative and assist the transition here for President Trump's massive, incredible victory. | ||
Jack Posobiec, first things first. | ||
We may do a little wet work today, Jack. | ||
We've got to talk about Mark. | ||
Mark Rowan, how do we have a progressive Democrat? | ||
How do we have a progressive Democrat that they're even considering being Secretary of the Treasury? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Right? | ||
And this is not about Mark Rowan. | ||
Mark Rowan's actually a quite brilliant guy. | ||
This is about Apollo and everything that comes, all the baggage, all the deal baggage that comes with Apollo. | ||
So Rowan himself, in and of himself, is a bright guy and I hear a good guy. | ||
But it's not about him. | ||
It's about the organization he runs. | ||
But we have many, many other fights like that. | ||
I want to start with the FBI, Kash Patel, but particularly Mike Rogers. | ||
So Poso, in what universe... | ||
And folks, understand something. | ||
This is why we had the great Carly Bonet on yesterday. | ||
As Carly delineated, she could already tell that the Murdoch, the Fox couch, was getting jiggy on Gates. | ||
They had flipped on Gates. | ||
And you saw shortly thereafter, Gates is gone. | ||
The best of the best. | ||
Gates is gone. | ||
Today, they're coming out hard. | ||
I mean, Murdoch is selling Rogers. | ||
It's a hard sell. | ||
In what universe does this make sense for President Trump as the chief magistrate of the United States in the MAGA movement overall, in America First overall, Jack Posovic? | ||
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Steve, I gotta tell you, that Mike Rogers interview this morning on Fox News was probably the best one I've ever seen. | |
Wow, I'd love if that Mike Rogers were the one that had been there all along. | ||
But unfortunately, this guy's up there today saying, oh, I love President Trump, and that seventh floor over there, they need a reality check, and they need an attitude adjustment, and we gotta clean out the cancer. | ||
I said, wow, that's incredible. | ||
Oh, wait a minute. | ||
I've got all the receipts on Mike Rogers, and let me just tell you something. | ||
You have been weighed and measured, and you have been found wanting, okay? | ||
This guy was all in on Russiagate. | ||
This guy was all in on the wiretapping of Trump Tower. | ||
The first time. | ||
Who knows if Mar-a-Lago is being wiretapped right now. | ||
I don't even know, but I wouldn't put it past any of these guys. | ||
And Mike Rogers is sitting there the entire time, hanging out with James Clapper, hanging out with John Brennan, sitting next to General Michael Hayden of the NSA. The NSA! No, no hang on. | ||
The billet, you've got to make sure people understand the context. | ||
The billet, he was House Intel chairman. | ||
He was deep in bed with these guys. | ||
It was Devin Nunez. | ||
After we won, Devin Nunez, I think, took over here. | ||
Rogers was one of the senior guys. | ||
That's why he was in bed with these guys from the beginning, correct? | ||
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Kevin Nunez became the chairman of the House Intel Committee and actually started to dig into the truth about what was coming together in terms of Russiagate and in terms of James Comey. | |
By the way, it was Mike Rogers who came up. | ||
I was there. | ||
I was literally physically in the White House on the day that Comey got fired. | ||
I was there. | ||
Tanya Tay was there, too, by the way. | ||
And we were there. | ||
We get the news. | ||
Run back to the room. | ||
It's all coming down. | ||
We've got the briefing sheet. | ||
And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, who goes up on TV? It's Mike Rogers. | ||
And Mike Rogers on TV saying, I don't believe any of this stuff about Comey. | ||
I think he's a good man. | ||
He's a good man. | ||
We should believe him. | ||
We should believe Comey. | ||
He's great. | ||
No! | ||
Comey was lying. | ||
They were all lying. | ||
The whole thing was a lie. | ||
And by the way... | ||
What do we find out now? | ||
And Solomon's got the reports, and Lee Smith and some of the other guys have the reports, that this was even going on before they had the Steele dossier. | ||
That the Steele dossier comes up later because they heard that Comey was looking for reasons to investigate Trump. | ||
Okay? | ||
So let's go back and let's be serious here for a minute. | ||
These guys are trying to take out the populist nationalist movement full stop. | ||
Mike Rogers is someone who played footsies and patty cake with them the entire time. | ||
Yeah, they're all slipping and sliding on the couch over there on Fox this morning. | ||
But look, I'm not buying it because I've got the receipts and because, yes, I actually watched the great Caitlin Collins show last night. | ||
Oh, that was a wonderful show to watch. | ||
And who do I see up there praising and extolling Mike Rogers? | ||
It's Andy McCabe. | ||
Andy McCabe, who was fired, by the way, not fired because of his politics, fired because of his lies, fired because of his corruption, and fired because of his actions. | ||
That was justice. | ||
That's why he was fired three days before his pension. | ||
And let's go back, by the way, Steve. | ||
You just buried the lead there, Steve, because when Devin Nunez was made House Intel chairman ahead of Mike Rogers, who did Devin Nunez appoint to write the memo to be the lead investigator into Russiagate? | ||
Who was the guy? | ||
This is what it all comes back to. | ||
Who was the guy? | ||
Oh, right. | ||
It was a guy by the name of Kash Patel. | ||
Kash Patel. | ||
You've got to remember how corrupt this was, folks. | ||
Hang on, hang on. | ||
I'm going to take it a step farther. | ||
When I was down and grilled for 25 or 30 hours in the skiff, Paul Ryan had removed Devin Nunes from head of the committee, a committee the Republicans controlled, and put Trey Gowdy in charge with the Republicans. | ||
This is Paul Ryan. | ||
Put his bitch Trey Gowdy in charge and let Shifty Shift and Swalwell run it. | ||
Okay? | ||
I was there and I got the legal bills to show it. | ||
This is how corrupt it is, and they tried to ice out cash. | ||
Paul Ryan, who's on the board with the Murdochs right now, this is a Murdoch's power play. | ||
This is a Murdoch's power play. | ||
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100%. | |
They want to take over this. | ||
They want to take over the Trump administration underneath President Trump and surround him with a bunch of spongy... | ||
And I've got a problem. | ||
I want to cut the Kilmeade thing. | ||
Kilmeade, you're dead wrong about this. | ||
President Trump is livid about the FBI as an institution. | ||
And brother, if there's so many great FBI agents, where are the whistleblowers? | ||
Why didn't they step forward and stop, you know, the assaults on the right to life people, the parents? | ||
Where were they? | ||
Why didn't they come forward? | ||
You're saying 35,000 are all good except for a couple of bad eggs. | ||
No, this is once again the fox then. | ||
It's not replacing just bad people. | ||
We're going to go through brick by brick. | ||
We're going to take the FBI down and we're going to rebuild it into something that serves the American people. | ||
We're not listening to Fox. | ||
Fox is poison. | ||
It's the Murdoch's neocon, neoliberal poison into the system. | ||
And we're going to fight that every step, expose it and fight it every step. | ||
It's much more poisonous than MSNBC, the hate network. | ||
Okay. | ||
Ready for a throwdown on a Friday? | ||
We're going to have a throwdown on a Friday. | ||
Post is going to stick with us next. | ||
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I think Rogers is a totally reasonable, logical selection for FBI director. | |
In fact, that's the decision President-elect Trump makes. | ||
I had many interactions with then-representative Rogers, during his time as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. | ||
So he's, as you mentioned, someone with history with the FBI. He understands the organization. | ||
He served as an FBI agent for several years before he went off on his political career. | ||
In his capacity in the House, I think the strongest... | ||
The qualification on my own opinion about Mr. Rogers is the respect and awareness and knowledge that he has for the intelligence community, for the work they do, for the seriousness of that work, for how those secrets and that sensitive information needs to be protected. | ||
So in all those counts, I think Mike Rogers fills the bill pretty well. | ||
The thing about if you talk to President Trump on or off camera, he'll say to you, I don't want to blanket criticize the FBI because he knows the agents. | ||
And there's a huge difference between the agents out in the field, 35,000, and the ones that are in the building. | ||
The Andy McCabe's of the world that clearly had a huge problem. | ||
Peter Strzok had a huge problem with Trump as president. | ||
And we saw the laptop being dropped off with Biden as president. | ||
I don't want to go over the mechanics of that. | ||
But the fact that there's... | ||
Okay. | ||
These are the ways... | ||
This is the way Washington is what it is. | ||
This is why all these Republicans come up here and you voted them in and worked for them and gave them money. | ||
And you're disappointed. | ||
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Why? | |
This is the way the game's played. | ||
No, Kilmeade, you are absolutely dead wrong. | ||
You couldn't be more dead wrong. | ||
It's not a couple of guys at the top. | ||
It's a systemic problem. | ||
Where are the 35,000? | ||
Where are the whistleblowers? | ||
Why do they not come forward? | ||
After World War II, didn't we hold accountable the SS guys? | ||
Hey, if you're a Gestapo, oh, I've just taken orders. | ||
I've just taken orders. | ||
Is that cool? | ||
No. | ||
It is systemic inside that apparatus. | ||
It's been turned into a political police force. | ||
Kilmeade did get people in Danbury, men in Danbury, that are the holiest, best men I've ever seen, that the FBI jackbooted, kicked their doors in, dragged them out like common criminals. | ||
Then they got three, four, five years for praying the rosary outside of abortion clinics. | ||
You got the parents at the school boards. | ||
No, sir. | ||
Where are the whistleblowers, Kilmeade? | ||
Where are your 35,000? | ||
Where are they? | ||
Where are they? | ||
You got a handful. | ||
Posobiec. | ||
Mike Rogers, he's tapping you along too. | ||
Oh, I can do it. | ||
No, no, no. | ||
You think McCabe and this crowd is afraid of Mike Rogers? | ||
They're selling him. | ||
They're trying to sell him as they're trying to normalize him. | ||
So that Kash Patel and the real heroes and the patriots, because Jack isn't what this come down to, Patriots versus people that are, let's be blunt, McCabe's guilty of treason. | ||
He's got to be investigated, tried, and then whatever happens, happens. | ||
And that's why he's wetting himself. | ||
We start thinking he's wetting himself on CNN, thinking he'll leave in the country. | ||
Jack Posobiec. | ||
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No, he'll be leaving the country with the rest of the Diddy celebrities from the Diddy parties. | |
Take your little Diddy spoon with you there, Andy McCabe. | ||
Look, at the end of the day, it goes to show you how profoundly dumb Andy McCabe is. | ||
Oh, I got 70 to 80 direct reports. | ||
Look at me. | ||
I'm so smart. | ||
No, you're so dumb because you're going to sit there and endorse Mike Rogers and say, oh, this guy is great. | ||
That's the kiss of death, dude. | ||
That's the kiss of death. | ||
And then meanwhile, you turn around and you attack Kash Patel. | ||
Now you're going to have people turn around saying, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait a minute. | ||
Hold on a second. | ||
Hold on. | ||
Wait, wait, wait. | ||
If one of the worst absolute people is attacking Kash Patel, is terrified of Kash Patel, doesn't want Kash Patel in there opening up documents, unsealing things, finding out what you've done in your FBI archives, why they got the big shredders out there right now. | ||
They don't want Kash Patel doing. | ||
Look at what Kash Patel was able to do when he was just the investigative director of the House on the House side of the House Intel Committee. | ||
That's a legislative function. | ||
That's not even an executive branch. | ||
He eventually made it to the NSC and he was bounced around a little bit in the admin at the end there, but... | ||
Imagine if you actually put him right there in the J. Edgar Hoover building. | ||
And something that not a lot of people know about Cash, Cash spent 10 years as a public defender. | ||
All right? | ||
Cash isn't some guy who's some Johnny-come-lately sitting there going, oh, well, you know, I'm against this stuff because it's Trump. | ||
No, no, no. | ||
He helped out regular people. | ||
He helped out the same type of people that Steve Bannon is talking about here in Danbury Prison that the FBI went after, Wrongfully accused or trumped up charges or went after on the barest of circumstances and went after them, barest of pretexts, and Cash helped those people. | ||
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So they do not want a guy like that actually looking over the books. | |
Checking your homework. | ||
Checking the math. | ||
That's why they don't want to cash Patel in there. | ||
And by the way, show me... | ||
By the way, the controversial cash Patel. | ||
That's the other one they keep saying. | ||
The controversial cash... | ||
What controversies? | ||
What controversies has cash done other than exposed what they have done? | ||
See, that's controversial to CNN and Caitlin Collins. | ||
The controversy is what? | ||
The whole J6... The guy is completely patriot. | ||
He exposed all... | ||
He's not some party boy either. | ||
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He's not one of these party boys. | |
They try to Shanghai President Trump about J6. He was there. | ||
He knows where all the bodies are buried in J6. Come on, man. | ||
But here's the point for the audience. | ||
Watch Fox. | ||
You see the moves they're making. | ||
They want to surround President Trump with the worst. | ||
Because it's all performative. | ||
They're going to be performative of what they're going to do, but nothing's going to change. | ||
In fact, it's going to get worse. | ||
By the way, I want to thank Dan. | ||
Go ahead, sir. | ||
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Did we elect Rupert Murdoch? | |
Did Rupert Murdoch win all the swing states and the popular vote and all the bellwether counties? | ||
Was that Rupert Murdoch who did that? | ||
Because I think it was somebody else. | ||
I think it was somebody named Donald J. Trump. | ||
Donald J. Trump who ran ahead of Dave McCormick in the collar counties of Philadelphia, by the way, when everybody said he couldn't do it, it was Donald Trump who won the suburbs. | ||
It wasn't anybody else. | ||
And it certainly wasn't Rupert Murdoch. | ||
James Murdoch had a fundraiser for Biden. | ||
It's reported in Woodward's book and it has not been, the Murdochs have not come out and said it's wrong. | ||
In October 22, when we're in a dogfight to take control of the house from Nancy Pelosi, he has a fundraiser for those guys. | ||
They're neoliberal. | ||
They play both sides. | ||
And they sucker in the right. | ||
But this thing they did today on Rogers exposes them 100% for what they are. | ||
Okay? | ||
And we haven't seen... | ||
I want to thank Dan Scavino. | ||
Dan Scavino went to the president. | ||
Dan's the best of the best. | ||
And the president is... | ||
Dan's put out a thing saying, no way on Mike Rogers. | ||
But hey... | ||
Dan, we love you, brother, but we believe in Carthaginian peace, like the Romans, rough Roman justice and the Carthaginian peace. | ||
We've got to salt the earth around this. | ||
These people are like vampires. | ||
They keep coming back. | ||
We've got to salt the earth around the Rogers situation. | ||
And look, it's not that Mike Rogers is not an okay guy and he ran for Senate and we kind of supported that because it wasn't a primary and President Trump thought he could win in Michigan. | ||
That's fine, but this is different. | ||
This is different. | ||
And my question to the FBI agents, where are you? | ||
Why are you not coming forward? | ||
Forward. | ||
You know, you're supposed to be such great guys. | ||
Prove it. | ||
Prove it. | ||
Now's your time to prove it. | ||
Because McCabe's going down. | ||
Comey's going down. | ||
Ray's going down. | ||
Merrick Garland's going down. | ||
Lisa Monaco's going down. | ||
Why do you think they're reporting that Morning Mika is running down to Mar-a-Lago? | ||
The Daily Mail leads stories. | ||
They're worried about the investigation into the dead intern. | ||
Right? | ||
They report... | ||
I think it was Axios and Politico reports that Garland was stunned, because he's watching MSNBC, he's stunned on Tuesday the 5th that Trump won. | ||
And that there was weeping among the senior lawyers at the Justice Department. | ||
Why? | ||
They understand. | ||
In fact, I'll play that clip here in a minute before I get Jeff Clark on. | ||
Poso, two things before I let you go, and I thank you for doing this. | ||
And by the way, Cash is the man. | ||
Government Gangsters is the film. | ||
Cash is the man. | ||
He stood by President Trump. | ||
He knows where all the bodies are buried. | ||
He's got plenty of gravitas, more so than the guys they're talking about. | ||
Tell me about... | ||
We got Viktor Orban in Hungary with Netanyahu, and we got the Russians... | ||
It looks like in reports, are they about to light up Poland, the American missile bases sites in Poland? | ||
Is this thing metastasizing in front of us, Jack? | ||
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Well, Steve, here's what's going on regarding Russia, regarding, obviously, Orban. | |
He's played a bit of a middleman between NATO and Russia throughout the entire Ukraine war. | ||
He said that he doesn't want war. | ||
He wants peace deals. | ||
He's kept at a great controversy. | ||
He's kept some of the oil... | ||
The oil contracts going, Russia. | ||
And so the basic through line of all of this, and yet, of course, bringing Netanyahu over in defiance of this ICC, this ICC warrant, which has come down for himself, and I believe it seems really a measured offense, that what they're doing is... | ||
They're offering us two doors. | ||
Okay, there's two doors before us right now. | ||
There's the door of Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and peace, and we're not going to go down World War III. But the Russians are telling us, like they've told us from the very start, that if you want a wider war, we are more than happy to give you one. | ||
Because the Russians have changed their nuclear stance now. | ||
They've changed their nuclear readyist posture to this. | ||
If you threaten Russia, then we can use nuclear arms as a preemptive first strike to defend the motherland. | ||
And look, if you know anything about Russia, I say this as a Polish guy, you know anything about Russia, there's one thing that they will always go to absolute war for, and that's to defend the motherland. | ||
Look what they did to Napoleon, look what they did to Hitler. | ||
You really want to start with these guys? | ||
Come on. | ||
Amen. | ||
By the way, our ally, the Russian people, our ally that took, I don't know, 35 or 40 million casualties in World War II. Jack, real quickly, Viktor Orban in Hungary, he's embracing Netanyahu and going against the ICC, right? | ||
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100%. | |
So Viktor Orban is thumbing his nose and saying, look, no, we are going to be on side with this. | ||
We are going to defend civilization. | ||
We are on the side of those who are against barbarism, and that's what this is about. | ||
The Judeo-Christian West. | ||
Jack, where do people follow you on Twitter, sir? | ||
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Of course, I'll be up on Twitter, at Jack Posobiec, all day, human events daily here at later 2 p.m. | |
Shout out to the great Dan Scavino. | ||
By the way, Steve, I think Dan Scavino lives a little close to Elise Stefanik's district. | ||
Kind of interesting about that, huh? | ||
Ha, ha, ha. | ||
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You want to talk about exploding heads? | |
I love that one, baby. | ||
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By the way, by the way, to the deep state, to the deep state, to the deep state, if you want to find out what our plans for you are, go ask the Carthaginians. | |
The Carthaginians, I love it. | ||
A Carthaginian peace. | ||
We're going to salt the earth around these guys. | ||
Short break. | ||
Jeff Clark on the other side. | ||
Public institutions the most are the most enthusiastic about fresh eyes and reform. | ||
But I think what's so stark is that what he's making clear there is that that's not what they're doing at all. | ||
It is about rubble. | ||
It is about destroying these agencies. | ||
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Yeah, I think that there are two insights there that are just worth kind of sitting on. | |
One is an observation about this incoming administration and what they want to do. | ||
And it's plain as day. | ||
They say they want to dismantle the administrative state. | ||
That is their plan. | ||
It is their stated goal. | ||
And I don't think that they care about whether there'll be some shrapnel or some ancillary damage related to that. | ||
And so I think that's something that people should be alarmed about. | ||
And I think it's a clear-eyed assessment of what What the incoming administration wants to do. | ||
The second part of that is sort of the more interesting part for me, right? | ||
Because the Democrats then get put in this box, right? | ||
And I think it's one of the things that they struggled with during the election was Democrats and us and ever Trump or Zanti pro-democracy types are always in the position of having to defend these institutions and be the institutionalists and be, you know, someone that's like, we should keep the administrative state. | ||
It's like, well, the administrative state's not that popular for starters. | ||
These elite institutions, many of them, the military, so as well, aren't that popular. | ||
And so finding a way to talk about what Millie just talked about. | ||
But how, yes, we need to reform, not destroy. | ||
I think that's a big challenge for the rest of us in the coming years. | ||
Jeff Rosen and a bunch of other officials threatened to resign when Trump tried to put in Jeff Clark in 2020, who was also going to push the big lie. | ||
So I think she has more management experience. | ||
I think she's much smoother, and I think she's got a good chance of being confirmed. | ||
So she's much smoother than Gates. | ||
But she might follow the same things. | ||
I was, like everybody, looking at clippings. | ||
At one point, she was decrying Jack Smith and the prosecutors, the people who they've talked about prosecuting, and she called all of these people, Jack Smith, horrible people who had weaponized the Justice Department. | ||
So we don't know. | ||
I've talked to current Justice Department officials before this was announced, and they were all hiring lawyers. | ||
Do you think, I mean, given the record of what she's done and what she said and, you know, sort of where her loyalties lie, do you imagine that that's going to have a tangible result on the staffing at the Department of Justice? | ||
I mean, people, you're saying they're lawyering up. | ||
Jack Smith is leaving. | ||
Do you think that there's going to be an exodus, a significant exodus, if someone like Pam Bondi is the head of the DOJ? With Gates, we did not hear about a significant accident. | ||
And he was much more of a sort of in-your-face person who, like, you investigated me, now I'm going to investigate you. | ||
I don't think people are going to leave. | ||
And you're hearing this in different government departments, that they're going to stay, they're going to follow rules, they're not going to violate, you know, procedures are not going to violate the law. | ||
Many of them can't leave. | ||
They don't make a lot of money in Washington. | ||
And they're all sort of waiting for pensions and paying off mortgages. | ||
So and then there's two scenarios. | ||
There could be a special counsel who would be appointed by Trump and by Pam Bondi, if she's confirmed, that would carry out long investigations. | ||
And another thing they're pushing at heart is sort of firing. | ||
There's a belief that there's all these liberals embedded in the career workers who work for Republicans and Democrats. | ||
You know, I haven't found that in my reporting, but they could be trying to force out a lot of those people. | ||
But many, many people, they don't think they'll be convicted. | ||
You know, Jack Smith, they didn't do anything improper, but they're expecting long legal battles, more congressional investigations. | ||
And they're lowering up. | ||
you you Yo, they don't think they'll be convicted. | ||
The reason they don't think they'll be convicted... | ||
Is that a lot of these have to take place in Washington, D.C., and of course these juries that are 99% progressive left-wing Democrats, all made up of government employees, are people that suck on the government tit here in the Imperial Capital. | ||
That's with these radical judges that ought to be cleaned out of the D.C. Circuit, right? | ||
And the D.C. District Judges, which is the most corrupt judiciary in the nation. | ||
They don't think they will be convicted. | ||
Didn't say they haven't done anything wrong. | ||
Didn't say they didn't have crimes. | ||
Jeff Clark, and this is my point. | ||
You better lawyer up. | ||
And guys leaving the country? | ||
Leave the country. | ||
You see any of us leave the country? | ||
No. | ||
And you bankrupted. | ||
Look how many people got bankrupt. | ||
Rudy's just the top. | ||
Many, many people have been bankrupt in this process. | ||
Millions of dollars in legal fees. | ||
You better lawyer up, folks, because you've committed grievous crimes. | ||
And hey, he says, oh, they want to stay. | ||
We're going to take a trenching tool and dig you out. | ||
The deep state is not going to exist. | ||
We're going to hit it with a blowtorch. | ||
They're going to fight, and they're going to fight hard. | ||
Jeff Clark. | ||
And one of the best ways we got it is this magnificent, and it's already controversial. | ||
Pence and these guys are already coming out. | ||
You're seeing all the... | ||
The great thing about a process like this, it exposes all the rats, right? | ||
So walk me through first what you just saw there with McCabe and all these reporters saying, oh, my gosh, over at Justice, they're all worried about this. | ||
You need people over there that cannot just shake up that building because it's a systemic problem. | ||
It's just not about a few bad apples. | ||
Murdoch and Fox are going to give you always the simplistic response. | ||
It's a few bad apples. | ||
You take a few bad apples, no, we have a systems problem. | ||
And MSNBC and Tim Miller, particularly smart, and Alex Wagner, they know... | ||
We've boxed them into a corner. | ||
They have to defend the indefensible. | ||
This is why their democracy move in the election failed. | ||
Because the American people understand this is not working. | ||
And more importantly, we can't afford it. | ||
We can't afford a destructive system. | ||
Jeff Clark. | ||
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Steve, look, the FBI needs structural reform, and it needs it, you know, not just yesterday, but last year, four years ago, etc. | |
It's been trending in a very bad direction. | ||
It needs to be carefully supervised. | ||
It needs to be restructured so that woke Democrats are not running all parts of it and running it to run political... | ||
Vindictiveness operations trying to disproportionately destroy conservatives and MAGA and populists and religious people around the country. | ||
And there's evidence that they were doing all of those things. | ||
We need an audit right when the Trump administration comes in of all of their political enforcement cases coming out of their public integrity units, both in DOJ's criminal division and in the FBI and how they work together. | ||
And I want to tell you about, you know, a dangerous idea I've seen floating around in conservative ink circles of trying to, you know, say that you can get better FBI accountability if you only place it under a duumvirate. | ||
And let me explain what that is. | ||
So, specifically in this instance, it's a proposal to put part of the FBI under the supervision of the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division and part of the FBI under the supervision of the Assistant Attorney General for National Security. | ||
And Steve, I know that you are a student of history, like I am, and you know that none of the Roman Duombrits worked out very well. | ||
What they led to was instability. | ||
They only lasted, you know, less than a decade. | ||
The first one with Caesar, Pompeii, and Crassus, and then the second one with Octavian failed as well, right? | ||
Like, these structures don't work. | ||
What we need is the full-on medicine of the Unitary Executive The president is in charge of the executive branch, and there needs to be a pyramid up to him. | ||
You know, just like he's the person where the ultimate buck stops on his desk, as Harry Truman said, there needs to be someone for whom, you know, the buck ultimately stops in each of the cabinet agencies and the key components like the FBI. So, you know, what they want is... | ||
Yeah, hang on one second. | ||
Hang on one second. | ||
I want to make sure the audience understands this. | ||
In this unitary executive theory, right? | ||
It's not trying to make... | ||
They're not trying to make it a supremacy over the legislative or judicial. | ||
But inside the executive... | ||
Remember, the Constitution lays out he's the chief executive of the government, he's the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and he's, wait for it, the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer. | ||
I understand the MSNBC, they want to make that some moderate-to-left-wing attorney general like Merrick Garland. | ||
That's not how it works. | ||
These are these post-Watergate kind of ideas that seeped into the system so that the Democrats could run the town. | ||
Right now, what Brennan and McCabe and these guys talk about is a check and balance inside the executive by the deep state and the administrative state. | ||
That's not going to happen. | ||
That is over. | ||
We're finishing that. | ||
You don't get a check and balance over the FBI because Brennan runs CIA and Comey runs FBI. You get a check over who the people elected to be president of the United States. | ||
Are you kidding me? | ||
Clark, isn't that the problem we have? | ||
The permanent government thinks they have a check over... | ||
This is why we are the true believers in the democratic process. | ||
And they actually believe they're anti-democratic to their core because they think they have a check on the executive branch side against the chief executive, the commander-in-chief, and the chief magistrate. | ||
A guy called the President of the United States, Jeff Clark. | ||
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Yeah, Steve, our constitutional structure is to have three branches of government, the president, who is the only branch that is one person, Then there is Congress split into two houses to protect liberty, and then there are the courts to decide particular cases in the application of law to fact. | |
Those are co-equal branches. | ||
But what they have done with this administrative state, which started in the progressive era, the theorizing for it, and people like Woodrow Wilson, and then really metastasized under the New Deal era, and then, you know, got to the point where it's really out of control after the The Nixon administration, | ||
and then they started not even doing changes to the Constitution or the statutes anymore, there were just new norms, is an idea that this fourth branch, which they have functionally created, is co-equal to the president. | ||
Or in reality... | ||
You know, as you can tell from watching these people like McCain and John Brennan, you know, John Bolton, etc., they think that this fourth branch is actually the superior to the president. | ||
I want to reduce the pressure to what Woodrow Wilson wanted to reduce it to, except for his transitional era of trying to get there, where it's kind of a ceremonial office. | ||
That it is kind of a presider in chief, but not the chief magistrate, not the chief executive, not the commander in chief. | ||
The military should really be ruled by the likes of the Mark Millies that flit around. | ||
And this is not the system the framers gave us. | ||
In order to have the energy and dispatch and control and accountability that the system gives us, because the president He has direct legitimacy across the entire country because the people vote for the electors who put him in office. | ||
All of the career bureaucracy, you know, the 99.9% of all the people who are GS, XYZs, whether, you know, 10, 11, 12, etc., up to 15, or the SES, all of these people are not elected. | ||
They're all accountable to the president, and the president has to direct them And they just try to create so many different systems. | ||
I call it political science disease. | ||
Using their new modern political science ideas, they try to frustrate the system of the constitution that the genius framers gave us. | ||
Jeff, can you hang on for one second? | ||
I want to keep you here. | ||
We got the whole thing on the recess appointments, but I also want to talk a little bit more about this fourth branch of government, the administrative state and its rogue element, the deep state, about how they've really created something that has its own courts, it has its own ability to execute, and it has really its own ability to legislate through rules. | ||
It's an entire government within a government. | ||
And we're at war with that, and we're going to take it down, okay? | ||
We're going to take it down like Carthage. | ||
We're going to take it like the Romans took Carthage down. | ||
We're going to take it down, and we're going to salt the earth around it. | ||
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Clark, and this is where I bring the Clarks. | ||
I went to a trade school at Harvard. | ||
I just got my union card over at the business school. | ||
Clark's actually educated. | ||
He went to the college. | ||
Clark, and Posobiec sends me from Gibbons' Decline and Fall. | ||
After sacking the city, the Romans burned it to the ground, leaving not one stone on top of another, and then salted the earth around it. | ||
That's what they thought the poison of Carthage in regards to them. | ||
You talk about the Trimorites. | ||
Unable to actually decide and have a unitary kind of leader, the republic fell and came to an empire. | ||
This is the fight right now. | ||
This audience, you're the rebel forces. | ||
You're the anti-imperial. | ||
We're anti-system. | ||
And Tim Miller and Alex Wagner and Chris Hayes, the smart ones over at MSNBC, understand. | ||
We've jammed them up. | ||
They're defenders of an imperial system. | ||
That our founders and the revolutionary generation fought against. | ||
And they also had enough wisdom to understand with the potentiality of North America that it could lead to empire. | ||
And you had some guys like Hamilton, who's probably the most brilliant of them all, that, hey, maybe he was thinking, maybe this is not a bad deal. | ||
Maybe we ought to just copy what the British are doing, but do it our way. | ||
That's what we're fighting here. | ||
This is metastasizing to an imperial power. | ||
That's for the administrative state. | ||
Talk about the fourth branch, the administrative state. | ||
Because what they've created since the progressive era, but really since the New Deal and World War II, is in broad daylight, the fourth branch of government does everything. | ||
They have their own ability. | ||
They have their rules. | ||
They really legislate. | ||
Because the laws are written, but they're kind of general. | ||
They put the rules in that define it. | ||
They have their legislative branch. | ||
Then they have their executive branch, including their own enforcement. | ||
IRA's got enforcement. | ||
EPA's got enforcement. | ||
And they have their own courts. | ||
They don't have an entire administrative court system. | ||
They have a court system bigger than the regular court system nobody even knows about. | ||
Clark said that you literally have a fourth branch of government that is an entire government within a government, sir. | ||
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So, Steve, yes. | |
The administrative state and the deep state, which are closely allied, and I'll talk about the differences between them as I see it in a second. | ||
But look, I'm also a student of Latin. | ||
And so, given how you started this segment, I have three Latin words for you. | ||
Carthago delenda est. | ||
Carthage must be destroyed. | ||
And there were speeches on the Senate floor, you know, in their Republic era, where that was how each Senate speech was ended, in order to ensure that that which was such a threat to the Republic was overthrown, destroyed. | ||
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We need to get back to the unitary executive system. | |
And accountability is one of the main reasons why, right? | ||
You know, agencies and all these career people and it's not clear where the lines of accountability are. | ||
It always turns into a kind of this situation, right? | ||
What, you know, where is the person who actually made this decision under the P? It's like a shell game. | ||
And that needs to end. | ||
It needs to be a system that goes directly up to the president in a pyramid. | ||
That's what the framers gave us. | ||
So what has frustrated that? | ||
There's one Supreme Court case that has frustrated that more than anything else. | ||
And it's led to the fusion of all It's a case called Humphrey's Executor. | ||
And it was decided, you know, to try to like brush back the New Deal, ironically. | ||
And the so-called four horsemen of the apocalypse who were standing in the way of the New Deal, they thought that by trying to keep in power a conservative head of the Federal Trade Commission and not having to be removed by Roosevelt and replaced, you know, by a leftist, that they were doing good for the country. | ||
But in reality, they gave the administrative state all the tools they needed to create these things called independent agencies. | ||
And it's what led to this fusion of three powers which The Framers and Montesquieu, the originator of separation of powers theory, recognizes the very definition of tyranny if you confuse all those three powers in one. | ||
So the FTC, yes, it has the power To pass new regulations, that's the lawmaking function. | ||
To apply them to people, that's the law enforcement function. | ||
And then to adjudicate the cases in front of their own administrative law judges. | ||
And then it goes up to the board on appeal. | ||
Only after that is it judicially reviewed. | ||
The Supreme Court has been striking blows against this system, but Humphrey's executor needs to come down. | ||
And I'd like to see the second Trump term Not end before it is brought down. | ||
And just last term in the Supreme Court, one other case to mention to you, it's a big case called SEC v. | ||
Jarkisi. | ||
And the Supreme Court held that the SEC could not run its own court system anymore for anything that was a common law fraud. | ||
That needs to go to the regular Article III courts. | ||
That was the Security and Exchange Commission at the Southeast Conference. | ||
Jeff, can you hang on? | ||
Because we've still got the work I had you come on for, which is this massive analysis you've done of how President Trump could be the driver of the action. | ||
In regards to recess appointments. | ||
An amazing analysis you've done. | ||
It'll be up, I think, shortly. | ||
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