Nov. 9, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| Sources at the Department of Justice tell NBC News that officials see no point in continuing to pursue both of their outstanding federal criminal cases when the defendant will become the sitting president weeks from now. | ||
| And no one is happier about that than Trump and his allies. | ||
| Steve Bannon, freshly released from prison himself, wasted no time in promising revenge. | ||
| Jeff Clark is going to be the attorney general of the United States. | ||
| So Merrick Garland, when we throw you in prison and Jack Smith in prison, remember it's Jeff Clark who you try to destroy. | ||
| No one is happier about that than Trump and his allies. | ||
| Steve Bannon, freshly released from prison himself, wasted no time in promising revenge. | ||
| Jeff Clark is going to be the Attorney General of the United States. | ||
| So Merrick Garland, when we throw you in prison and Jack Smith in prison, remember, it's Jeff Clark who you try to destroy. | ||
| Joining me now is... | ||
| But let's just say there are some decent Republicans... | ||
| Who care about this country who will say, we have to go into the administration. | ||
| We'll figure out a way to get in. | ||
| Because it cannot be Steve Bannon and Steve Miller running the show. | ||
| They've already said explicitly what they want to do. | ||
| My hope is that some Republicans who understand institutions will step up. | ||
| Where I'm frightened is that I'm deeply concerned as to what the White House looks like, but I really do implore Republicans that have not already publicly criticized him, but even the ones who have. | ||
| I mean, he says, you know, he can circle the block. | ||
| We've seen it. | ||
| He did it with J.D. Vance. | ||
| He's done it with several people to come back into the administration and serve as the adults in the room. | ||
| I want to ask you, but I need a yes or no from Peter. | ||
| And I realize this is an insane question. | ||
| Kamala Harris said she would put a Republican in her White House. | ||
| Is there any planet, is there any universe where Donald Trump tries to do the same and says, I'm going to put a Democrat in this White House? | ||
| Yeah, RFK Jr. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| Okay, you know what? | ||
| That is the answer. | ||
| Question answer. | ||
| Exactly, you answered the question. | ||
| I'll say Gabber. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| How should Democrats... | ||
| Honored to have made my MSNBC debut yesterday, but today is a new day, giving us many more opportunities to, I'm sure, make many more MSNBC appearances. | ||
| It's Natalie Winters hosting live from Washington, D.C. today, Saturday, November 9th, in the year of our Lord, 2024. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon is joining us remotely. | ||
| If we want to bring him in, we can. | ||
| Steve, so much love for you over at MSNBC. I think Alex Wagner's a little bit obsessed with you. | ||
| I think there was a little bit of a glitch going on there, but there's a moment where they ask one of their legal analysts if Jack Smith should be scared about what his future may look like. | ||
| I think they even asked, they've been watching War Room, if he needs to preserve his documents. | ||
| The answer is a resounding yes, not just from the War Room, but from MSNBC. Curious your thoughts on the continued meltdown. | ||
| First off, I want to thank our production team and, of course, Denver. | ||
| The clip with Natalie was so powerful, we played it twice. | ||
| Her debut on F76, we played it twice. | ||
| Now, listen, and I think, let me start with this, Natalie. | ||
| Stephanie Rule, who's, I think, one of the smarter people over there, she's a former investment banker, She stepped in from Brian Williams, took the 11 o'clock show, which I've always loved on MSNBC. It just shows you right there how lazy they have been because of the simple fact of she throws that thing, would there be any Democrats? | ||
| And she doesn't get the point that Tulsi Gabbard, Nicole Shanahan... | ||
| Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a guy named Elon Musk, David Sachs, Bill Ackman. | ||
| If you look at the Democrats that have come on board, and this really upsets me, they sat there and had to be Peter Baker, and Baker is the White House correspondent for the New York Times. | ||
| Of course, he's going to know that. | ||
| But MSMEC and the people that sat around there had absolutely no earthly idea if there were any Democrats. | ||
| The power of what happened on Tuesday, that clearly they're too lazy and too arrogant to even look at, is the fact that we ran up these numbers and closed the gap in Illinois and closed the gap in New Jersey. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And close the gap in New York City. | ||
| There's all kind of maps of New York City. | ||
| We'll be getting into next week with Jackie Torboroff and others that show that Democrats and independents, that lean Democrats coming our way, you sit right there and she goes, would there be any possibility of a Democrat? | ||
| Well, hang on. | ||
| Elon Musk is down there. | ||
| And he's kind of co-head of the transition. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard's down in Mar-a-Lago every day, and she's probably going to be offered a senior intelligence or senior defense position. | ||
| Bill Ackman and a guy like David Sachs, David Sachs has a lot of input into what's going on because these guys may not be MAGA, but right now they're MAGA-adjacent, and they're all Democrats. | ||
| A lot of them are progressive Democrats. | ||
| Ackman being a prime example, but we probably have 20 or 30 people that were Democrats. | ||
| I think Lutnik, who's co-heading transition, I think Howard was a Democrat a couple of decades ago. | ||
| So you've got all these guys, men and women, who are prominent Democrats, who are now part of our cause, and That's the reason we drove forward with such this massive victory in this kind of beatdown. | ||
| And MSNBC sitting there going, anybody in this cabinet, yes, there definitely will be people in this cabinet. | ||
| There'll be people in the White House. | ||
| And it won't be like 16, where we had a lot of progressive Democrats that came in and still had a progressive Democratic vote. | ||
| These people are the people that have transitioned from being progressive Democrats. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard, I think, when she was in Congress at first, outside of her military experience, was a very progressive Democrat and kind of became MAGA because, you know, she became anti-complete endless war. | ||
| So I'd love you thinking about that, just about the presentation. | ||
| Also, the complete and total meltdown Of the Jack Smith, yes. | ||
| You know, last night even got more serious. | ||
| It's not just preserve your documents. | ||
| There's serious discussions going on about the appointment of a special prosecutor. | ||
| The Federalist has a great article. | ||
| I've got it up on Getter. | ||
| The Federalist, I think a guy named Davidson, that talks about Natalie first a reckoning and then unity. | ||
| And he's talking about specifically going after the deep state on criminal charges, ma'am. | ||
| Well, I think they realize that the era of strongly worded letters is over. | ||
| And as much as we can celebrate what Jim Jordan put out, let's be very clear. | ||
| The only reason that Jim Jordan is, you know, sitting pretty and able to put out a letter saying that Jack Smith needs to preserve his documents has absolutely nothing to do with what this Congress has done. | ||
| It's solely because of the mandate and the victory of President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| But I think when you get into the issues of personnel and And staffing, I think that it's going to be another battle where the power of this audience is really going to need to be on full display and in full force, right? | ||
| It's great that we have such a big tent and there's so many people who want to join it, but just like the southern border, I think we need to have some level of vetting going on. | ||
| And I think particularly you're already sort of... | ||
| We're sort of starting to see the divergence of different camps on how they want to handle what will, I think, be essentially the first flashpoint of the Trump administration, which is, of course, the mass deportations. | ||
| I don't just say that because it's so crucial to the MAGA agenda, but obviously the left is mobilizing, in their own words, a militant counterinsurgency against it. | ||
| And there's reporting today out of NBC News, the headline, we can toss the article up, Some Republicans try to tone down Trump's mass deportation threats, and it sort of gets into this competing worldview where do we view the mass deportations as just a tool, | ||
| a cudgel to remove, you know, the gang members, the violent criminals, the people who killed Lake and Riley from this country, or is it a broader systemic removal of sort of an invasion of I think that | ||
| fundamentally misconstrues How we view immigration. | ||
| In other words, the national security stuff, the neighborhood and community safety is a part of the stool. | ||
| It's one leg. | ||
| But the bigger issue is that immigration is something, like you've always said, it's an issue of economics and suppressing the wages of working class people. | ||
| So we're not just removing criminals, we're removing a monolith, a group of people. | ||
| Who really are the antithesis of the populist agenda that undergirds the MAGA movement. | ||
| So I'm curious your thoughts on sort of how you think this audience, particularly when it comes to the mass deportation fights, can sort of be the counter-resistance to the resistance, not just in the form of the shock troops on the streets, but particularly sort of the embeds within the Trump administration, how we sort of give them, shall we say, a McCarthy-esque treatment to ensure that these mass deportations actually materialize. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| So let me lay it out this way. | ||
| I think that's the way that it can be a construct when you think about it. | ||
| As we said, we have the convergence of two kind of crises at the very beginning of Trump's second term. | ||
| Number one, you have the whole financial with the debt ceiling, the budget that we have to cut. | ||
| With Elon, I understand my knowledge of what's going on. | ||
| At the transition office and down in Mar-a-Lago itself, Elon's all over this. | ||
| And he's really thinking through significant smart cuts on efficiencies and things like that in the budget. | ||
| Then you have the tax revision. | ||
| So that's that whole financial. | ||
| And you've got the Scott Bessons and other people working on it. | ||
| The other is the mass deportations. | ||
| Those will be the action plans. | ||
| The other third is the Is the deconstruction of the administrative state, which will be part of deregulation, but also the holding of accountability and the deconstruction of the deep state. | ||
| As the federalist says, it has to be a reckoning, then unity. | ||
| Let's go back to deportation, because that's, I've said, going to be the original, I think, high-impact point of contact. | ||
| They've already very smartly gone to the Rhinos and gone to the Rubios and gone to Salazar. | ||
| And listen, we understand that the Hispanics are coming on now in a way that not just had us get a blowout win on Tuesday, but could be part of this coalition going forward and can get us to the two-thirds, one-third that we could actually, you know, dominate. | ||
| And govern for 50 years or more, like the 1932 realignment. | ||
| The one thing I think we need is precision language. | ||
| And look, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we're getting kind of sloppy in the analysis. | ||
| And that's why you see the left, what they're throwing up at us is actually incorrect. | ||
| My belief is what we must focus on initially is The illegal alien migrants or illegal alien invaders or undocumented migrants, however you want to categorize that, that came across from the moment That Biden took, | ||
| you know, did 30 or 50 or 60 executive orders on the afternoon of the 20th of January 2021 to take off all the safeguards that President Trump had to try to secure the border, right? | ||
| To basically today, because you know, or to the day Trump comes back in, because you know, another million are coming up. | ||
| When people are talking about 12 or 15, there's, I think, 25 or 30 Illegal, alien, or undocumented folks here. | ||
| We're not going back to old times. | ||
| I said people have been here decades. | ||
| They have children. | ||
| That's an issue for another day. | ||
| The issue before us, I think most importantly, and will get the attention of the African American and Hispanic community that voted for us, Is what Biden did to flood the zone. | ||
| I believe that's 11 million to 15 million. | ||
| That's the universe we're talking about. | ||
| And they come, they're triaged. | ||
| They are the insane assignments and the mentally issues that Trump talks about. | ||
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Clearly the prisoners, which is huge. | |
| And then you get down to the population, as I said, and Caroline Leavitt and others said, all 15 million have to go home. | ||
| But that should be the universe. | ||
| We must just deal initially. | ||
| Because it's going to take a couple of years. | ||
| You're going to have to have deals with countries. | ||
| But we must focus on what Biden and Harris and the progressive left and the corporations, the Wall Street barons, the big corporations, did under Biden's regime to unwind what Trump did. | ||
| Welcome to my show! | ||
| Welcome to my show! | ||
| It's the two issues I think they're most concerned about. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon, Natalie Winters, some other guests. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
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Exactly the same number of votes that he got in 2020. | |
| So there wasn't a growing of the number of people who voted for him. | ||
| What Democrats have to look at is why is it that 10 million of our voters stayed home? | ||
| Where were they? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| And that is a... | ||
| You're back in the war room. | ||
| And hey, MSNBC, I'm happy to come on the show, explain that to you. | ||
| I'm sure Stephen K. Bannon, I'm sure any member of the war room posse would love to come on and explain to you why those 10 million voters seemingly just stayed home. | ||
| But let's cut to the chase. | ||
| It's because they never existed in the first place. | ||
| It's funny to watch the Atlantic magazine. | ||
| They're already in meltdown about the Stop the Steal movement. | ||
| They have a new piece up today. | ||
| Quote, the Stop the Steal movement isn't letting up. | ||
| In 2024, false claims of voter fraud were about more than election denialism. | ||
| Like, you know, they're already clutching their pearls, I guess Tim Miller's pearls, panicking about the mass deportations. | ||
| And they say that the outgrowth, the outcrop of the Stop the Steal movement is that we've actually been hyping and amping the threat of non-citizens voting only to lay the political pretext and groundwork to sort of support the idea that we need mass deportations. | ||
| I'd humbly push back. | ||
| Voting fraud aside, I think we have just enough evidence I'd actually point you to. | ||
| I think it was Barack Obama's own Labor Department that commissioned the study showing that mass illegal immigration has suppressed the wages of black and brown Americans by significant measures. | ||
| But I guess if you don't care about American citizenship or Americans and you intentionally want to destroy this country, Rachel Maddow, it's not us. | ||
| It's not us that's trying to break the dollar, it's you guys. | ||
| Well then, I guess it's almost like you had some sort of master plan, but the election of President Donald J. Trump got in there and interrupted it all. | ||
| Steve Bannon joins us remotely. | ||
| We got Jack Posobiec, I think Rudy Giuliani joining us later in the show. | ||
| Before we get to that, Steve, I'm curious to get... | ||
| Hang on, hang on one second, one second. | ||
| I want to go back and make sure the audience is up to this because we have our staff working on this. | ||
| The mathematical expert they had that opened that is actually dead wrong. | ||
| I believe that President Trump has reached approximately 74 million, which is the legitimate number he had in 2020. | ||
| And correct me if I'm wrong, Natalie Winters, I think there's still 8% of the vote out. | ||
| Our staff actually believes he will reach 76, maybe 78 million votes. | ||
| He will blow through Look, in 16, I thought it did a pretty good job. | ||
| 63.5 million votes, I think we had. | ||
| President Trump got 74 million to 20, just a blowout number. | ||
| This time, Natalie, I think he's going to get 76 to 78 million votes, where they're still going to be, at the end of the day, I don't know, 8 to 10 million minimum light. | ||
| So they've got a huge air pocket. | ||
| Trump's blown through it. | ||
| That's what a lot of people are asking about 2020 or exactly what went on here. | ||
| And I think we have to be very precise and not let the mainstream media just say, oh, Trump just got what he got in 2020. | ||
| That's not correct. | ||
| All the votes are still not counted, particularly in places like Arizona and California. | ||
| And so I think the Trump number is going to be much higher, ma'am. | ||
| The power of this audience is at least, I think, 10 million strong, whatever you want to put the margin is. | ||
| Like we said, it's probably going to grow. | ||
| Those are votes that they could not jam into the system because of the efforts of this audience. | ||
| You see it on full display. | ||
| And Steve, you know, you were speaking. | ||
| I think Punchbowl first reported it, but at the House Freedom Caucus, sort of new member orientation, and you were bold and brave enough to bring up the stolen 2020 election to a room of people who I'm sure certainly are not all on board with talking about that. | ||
| But I'm curious, as we discuss, you know, special counsel investigations, setting up whether it's congressional committees, whatever the actual lever of power may be, I mean, I would certainly advocate it. | ||
| I think you would probably agree. | ||
| But on the issue of election integrity, you know, they always say, oh, we can't, we must move forward. | ||
| We can't look into the past. | ||
| But I think we need to look back. | ||
| Do you think that we need special? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a question I'm going to ask you. | ||
| It's two things. | ||
| Number one, because we haven't had a chance. | ||
| Number one, my construct about on the mass deportations, I think we have to basically kind of ring fence what we're talking about. | ||
| Metaphorically, I think we have to do that. | ||
| I don't think we can make a broad thing of going through every illegal aliens in the country. | ||
| Because there have been people here for decades, and look, we're not amnesty people. | ||
| I'm just talking about for the mechanics of it. | ||
| Number one, how do we do that? | ||
| Because it may be complicated enough, and I think we have to say that this was the Biden regime's plan. | ||
| Right, basically to crush the Black and Hispanic working class, and we can define it for people. | ||
| Number two, I think you've done, you're the tip of the spear along with, you know, Michael Benz and Darren Beattie and Raheem Kassam and beginning of the color revolution. | ||
| I would ask you, Where do you start? | ||
| If you're going to set up a special prosecutor, people should know. | ||
| I believe that that's going to happen because there's a lot of people believe that the House, even with the great guys like Gates and others, they'll just, particularly with House leadership, that thing may be meander. | ||
| It's not that the House doesn't have a role. | ||
| Judiciary has to do this. | ||
| They have to look at DOJ and everything that went on. | ||
| But you need something more formal. | ||
| I would ask you the question, You know, where do you start with the deportations? | ||
| What's the universe you go after? | ||
| And to combat the color revolution, because the resistance is getting stronger every minute. | ||
| This is why we're spending so much time with the war and posse. | ||
| The resistance has now gone to the states, which we'll talk about in a second. | ||
| But where do you think, what's the railhead we have to go back and kind of, as the Federalist magazine says, you know, get to the reckoning before you get to the unity. | ||
| Well, on the issue of, I think, election integrity, which dovetails, I think, actually quite closely with the immigration, particularly the narrative messaging, I think you need to get rid of CISA from the get-go. | ||
| I think that's a day one, first hour, totally disband CISA. This country survived up until 2018 without it. | ||
| We don't need it. | ||
| It's a hotbed of censorship. | ||
| They don't do anything when it comes to cybersecurity attacks. | ||
| How that links to immigration is obviously it's under DHS, but they're sort of the tip of the spear when it comes to pushing back against obviously truthful information that this show puts out. | ||
| So I think just from a messaging perspective, getting rid of CISA would certainly help. | ||
| But I think the issue too is with the people who are running DHS, hopefully I think Tom Homan, people like Stephen Miller are going to be around. | ||
| But I think that we have to root out the ideological apparatchiks who don't view themselves as just sort of following the marching orders of the President Trumps of the world, right? | ||
| And I'm not just talking about the career civil servants. | ||
| DHS, I mean, should essentially be reduced, I think, to more of a... | ||
| CBP, ICE-style agency in the sense that they're focusing on mobilizing and militarizing, lowercase m, ICE and all these various agencies to carry out what's going on at the White House, which I think the corollary to that is that whoever's running PPO, the staffing, the personnel office within the White House is going to be a very, very important position. | ||
| But I also think you're already starting to see a chorus of news articles, and especially on the resistance side, the organizing, the activism All of these left-wing groups, right? | ||
| It's sort of the new derivation, I think, of left-wing lawfare, where they'll be defending these people for mass deportations. | ||
| On MSNBC, they're talking about how they want to sue every raid, every late-night raid. | ||
| We're going to make sure that they have every paper. | ||
| We're going to make it really difficult for the Trump administration to carry this stuff out. | ||
| So many of these left-wing groups are buttressed right by the dark money, by these forces that then tie in more broadly to the wonderful umbrella that is the cultural and color revolution. | ||
| So I think by identifying the donors, bringing in the Mike Benzes of the world, again, like we said, whether it's on the congressional side of things or coming from the White House, but to really expose and unmask who is behind a lot of these activist groups, I think that that is something that's going to be very important. | ||
| But I also think, too, that this posse just needs to really buckle up. | ||
| We saw what the media hurled against us in 2016, right? | ||
| The scary sob stories of the children and, oh, you know, the little grandma. | ||
| It is up to us. | ||
| To win the narrative battle because we're not just, like I was talking about in the previous segment, we're not just up against the Democrats, right, on fighting the mass deportation stuff. | ||
| I'd say there's probably more of an almost insurmountable sort of embed within the Republican Party that's going to be opposing the mass deportations. | ||
| And they're already coming out now trying to sort of reframe the issue, make it a limited hangout a little bit softer than I think the initial punch that this sort of MAGA movement, the war room posse crew is probably more down with. | ||
| And you know what, Steve, the other thing I would say, there was a story that we broke while you were in prison and it was one of the chief counsel to the USCIS. | ||
| In his free time, he wasn't satisfied with destroying this country through legal channels of invasion. | ||
| So in his free time, he actually had a TikTok account where he was making videos coaching people on how to avoid deportation immediately. | ||
| I kid you not, how successful illegal aliens were making so much money coming into the United States. | ||
| Those people should be prosecuted. | ||
| Tried for treason, frankly, I'd throw people like Mayorkas in there to set the precedent, right? | ||
| There's no pandemic amnesty. | ||
| There's no invasion amnesty going on. | ||
| The best way to make sure that this not just doesn't happen again, but that people don't actively try to go out of their way to subvert President Trump is to make examples, not because it's unjustified, but wholly justified examples out of people like Mayorkas, like these crazy USCIS embeds, like these Soros operatives like these crazy USCIS embeds, like these Soros operatives who've been running immigration policy for so long. | ||
| We've got about a minute, Steve, your thoughts. | ||
| No, no, I want to go back. | ||
| You talk about that. | ||
| It's not just the Rubios and the Salazar. | ||
| You've got you talk about our side of the fence. | ||
| Tell the audience what you're reporting shows on Jeff Miller. | ||
| Jeff Miller is, you know, camped out in Mar-a-Lago for a couple of days before we outed him. | ||
| He's taken off for a while, but he's the guy that's in with some of these people in the transition. | ||
| He's McCarthy's, you know, he's the head of the Swamp Brigade for McCarthy, and you're the one that went and investigated. | ||
| What's the immigration group that he's, one of his clients, one of his most significant clients is what group? | ||
| Natalie? | ||
| Yeah, U.S. Immigration Services. | ||
| It's a huge EB-5, you know, high-profile, high-net-worth individual visa, essentially money laundering operation, but really citizenship laundering operation. | ||
| But this audience knows, right? | ||
| Like we say, it's the fight we always wanted. | ||
| When we say they aren't going to give us the keys to the kingdom on January 20th, that they isn't just limited to Democrats. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It certainly applies to the sort of, I would say, shape-shifting, you know, trans-America first, however you want to couch it. | ||
| People in the form of Jeff Miller, in the form of Kevin McCarthy, who are desperate for relevance, desperate for political power. | ||
| And they're going to try to glom on like the grifters that they are to your backs, the MAGA movement that drove this victory forward. | ||
| So it's important to call out the Jeff Millers who might also add lobbies for Pfizer, because of course. | ||
| But this is what the fight is about, and it's what we have a heck of a lot more control over than we do Democrats, the resistance. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon, Natalie Winters, much more right after this short break. | ||
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I think we're going to see a lot of courage and resourcefulness at the state level, at the local level. | |
| And there's a long history in authoritarian contexts of this. | ||
| It works best at the beginning of an authoritarian state or when it's becoming weak and when it's fraying. | ||
| But there's a long history of bureaucratic resistance inside government, civil servants, We have the tradition of states' rights, and this is part of what these governors are talking about. | ||
| Deep state's rights. | ||
| I didn't know you were allowed to say that anymore. | ||
| I guess if you're a part of the resistance, you get a pass. | ||
| But right there to the other buried lead, bureaucratic resistance, right? | ||
| They're giving you the battle plan, the locus of where a lot of the resistance... | ||
| Maybe resistance is too nice a term. | ||
| Just like Steve doesn't like saying deep state. | ||
| It's in your face, right? | ||
| This is not some... | ||
| Clandestine operation. | ||
| This is up in your grill. | ||
| Militant. | ||
| They're coming for you. | ||
| Form of opposition. | ||
| Like they say, elections are just a tactic. | ||
| I think four years of democracy drivel counters against that. | ||
| Steve, your thoughts? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| War Room Posse, take your number two pencils out. | ||
| We're going to write some things down. | ||
| This is the beginning. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is the other angle, the blocking position of the resistance. | ||
| And they're going to use the courts and the power of the government. | ||
| Look, we believe, as you know, Natalie, in federalism. | ||
| We believe in the Tenth Amendment. | ||
| We think it's very important. | ||
| We love pushing things back to the states. | ||
| That's why we think, hey, the elections are on state level. | ||
| You don't need a bunch of federal laws there. | ||
| This should be state level. | ||
| The state legislature should be on top of these things, like the Constitution says. | ||
| We believe that we're a big, huge believer in states' rights. | ||
| Now, I realize, as a kid coming from Richmond, Virginia, that can kind of get loaded sometimes. | ||
| But President Trump, on the abortion issue, He's a huge believer in devolving this back to the states. | ||
| And that's why we say, hey, even in Ohio and in Kansas, where the citizens out there have not gone to kind of hard pro-life positions, but kind of take, I think, more of a moderate stance in their very conservative states, states that Trump are winning by, you know, seven and eight points. | ||
| He's fine with that because he believes state. | ||
| Here's what's going on, though, I think even more importantly. | ||
| The 2028 Democratic primary is starting right now in that part of the resistance movement. | ||
| Pritzker, Whitmer, Newsom, Shapiro, they are going to run in 2028 a governor. | ||
| They've kind of had it with, you know, the people like Kamala Harris. | ||
| They think their power is governors and particularly governors of what they think are red states like Pennsylvania. | ||
| Like Michigan, like Wisconsin, that went for Trump, but have these kind of progressive liberals. | ||
| So I think, Natalie, what you're seeing here is that, folks, this part of what they're calling states' rights, what they're saying is that they're going to block Trump. | ||
| At every effort, and they're going to be very public about it. | ||
| It's going to be some very high profile. | ||
| This is not like, you know, Paxton and the guys, we had them on the show on the 20th of January, 2021. | ||
| I admit we had them up there. | ||
| And what they said, to the degree that Biden will be, follow the Constitution, and Merrick Garland will follow the Constitution, it'll be fine. | ||
| Where they're not, they're going to have to step in. | ||
| And Paxton was the leader of that. | ||
| But it was never really led at a governor's level. | ||
| It was more AGs. | ||
| Here we have AGs that started, but the governors are stepping in. | ||
| Pritzker actually said, if you want to come for my people, you have to come through me. | ||
| The 2028 Democratic primary to run against whoever wins the primary and follows President Trump as the leader of the MAGA movement is going to confront one of these governors. | ||
| And I'm going to tell you, the media is going to cover this like nobody's business. | ||
| So the 2028 Democratic primary has started. | ||
| It started in these big states with these Democratic governors, particularly in the red states. | ||
| Throw in Newsom also. | ||
| And you're about to see a firestorm in this, ma'am. | ||
| Shall we call it the Fort Sumter of the 2028 Democratic primary? | ||
| But I think it's even broader than that. | ||
| I think you're talking about the future of the entire Democratic Party, right? | ||
| Like we were talking about yesterday, how they decide to triage and interpret their loss in 2024 will dictate their strategy going forward. | ||
| In other words, if they buy into the sort of Alex Wagner mindset, right, the idea that they lost on the issues because they didn't actually tend to what the working class, the, you know, broad across racial and ethnic lines, that working class issue. | ||
| If they take that side of the coin, then, frankly, I think we have a, you know, better opponent in the sense that you'll embrace left wing populism obviously. | ||
| Obviously, they will never be able to touch the issue of immigration, so we'll always run circles around them on that. | ||
| But I think you're going to see, for lack of a better word, sort of this civil war, whether it'll turn into actual hot kinetic warfare. | ||
| Their side certainly seems to have a penchant for doing that. | ||
| But the elites, just in the same way that they didn't, you know, want to give Bernie Sanders the nomination, the sort of establishment Democratic Party wing, I don't think that they're going to want to cede that ground. | ||
| You know, Justice Democrats, the kind of AOC squad type group, they put out their statement, squarely blaming the 2024 loss on Democratic leadership, saying, we need new leadership. | ||
| And that's a direct quote. | ||
| So I think you're going to see that sort of internal, for lack of a better word, struggle session happening. | ||
| Break out. | ||
| And that's why it's really important for this audience to be so attuned to, I think, how they're reacting to their 2024 loss because it's going to determine their battle plan moving ahead. | ||
| I think that's brilliant. | ||
| Also, just to bring up some history because, you know, we're history nuts here. | ||
| Then the run-up to the Civil War and particularly after President Lincoln was elected. | ||
| Remember, President Lincoln, you talk about a minority that didn't get the popular vote. | ||
| He won an electoral college, a huge margin, but the popular vote was significantly below 50%. | ||
| It was, wait for it, Democratic governors that went up against federal power in what they argued was the South's fight for independence. | ||
| So it's kind of interesting here. | ||
| I'm just saying, hey, it's Democratic governors and And they're really coming after President Trump. | ||
| This is going to be a major, major battle at every level. | ||
| And this one, particularly when you start doing the deportations, they have said they will fight this every way possible. | ||
| They had the Attorney General on for Colorado. | ||
| Last night, I was able to see, maybe we'll play that clip on the Monday shows. | ||
| He was the most aggressive. | ||
| He says, we're not going to let law enforcement be used. | ||
| We're not going to let local officials be used. | ||
| We are teaming up with companies to make sure that companies in the state oppose what President Trump wants to do. | ||
| So folks, just strap in here. | ||
| This is going to be a big one. | ||
| Well, and to that point, I know you've been wanting to get into this 4B movement. | ||
| You sort of related it to, what, an old Greek play, I think? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This is huge. | ||
| This goes back to the Greeks. | ||
| There's a play, I think it's called Lysistrata. | ||
| It's where the women bind together to oppose the men and some of the philosophies of the men are really the patriarchy and the wars that men were fighting. | ||
| I think it's Aristophanes, I think, wrote the play. | ||
| A very famous in the kind of classical repertoire was performed a lot in London. | ||
| You have this movement called the 4B movement. | ||
| I want to toss it to you, but you're seeing another form of cultural resistance. | ||
| I think this one's going to pick up steam. | ||
| Natalie, as you've told me, it's really kind of a TikTok movement. | ||
| But hey, the TikTok movement in 2022 is the reason we didn't have the total red tsunami we thought. | ||
| It was Matt Gaetz that called that and says, hey, the TikTok coming off of the Dobbs decision about Roe v. | ||
| Wade really constrained us. | ||
| So I would like to have you should walk the audience through for the first time. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Because I think it's quite significant. | ||
| I've always said that this thing of the time's up about the patriarchy versus populism and nationalism will be one of the big things. | ||
| And I think we're moving beyond race and we're getting to gender. | ||
| And I think this is going to be a huge, huge issue going forward, man. | ||
| So let me get this straight. | ||
| You don't want to mansplain the 4B movement to the audience? | ||
| I'll jump in. | ||
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| I think the 4B movement probably indirectly benefits me, for our audience who isn't super deep in TikTok lore, which power to ya. | ||
| The 4B movement originated in South Korea, but it's actually more radical than the play that you're referencing. | ||
| That they just didn't want to sleep with their husbands. | ||
| But in this case, no sex, no giving birth, no dating, no marriage for all women. | ||
| Not just with biological men, but transgender men too. | ||
| I think it's important to contextualize this. | ||
| When you read, for example, the Vanity Fair piece, Or just how they describe this show, when they refer to us as an army, it's not because we were the ones to weaponize first, right? | ||
| They weaponized against us, and we responded. | ||
| And like we said yesterday, what we nearly avoided, and don't make any mistake, it's still certainly here, the forces are still prevalent, but was a full-scale cultural revolution. | ||
| That was saved by the grace of God and President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| But the activists, the organizers, the dark money, the spiritual forces behind all of that are not going anywhere. | ||
| And I think that this movement represents two things. | ||
| One, of course, is the discourse we can have on feminism and the idea of women trying to reclaim their power. | ||
| But I think that it works really nicely. | ||
| With this kind of superstructure that has become so important to the left in these times of resistance, which is civil society. | ||
| Because tacitly admitted there is that they don't have control or influence over actual power in the form of the government, in the form of the White House, Congress, you name it, right? | ||
| And I think you're going to start to see these weird sort of cultural nuances develop, cultural movements come to the forefront because it's their only way To grab power back. | ||
| And you already see this. | ||
| The Women's March is already mobilizing and materializing. | ||
| Tens of thousands of people are getting ready to descend on Washington, D.C. But when you look at the way that they've treated the MAGA movement, and I'm not just talking about the FEMA workers who yesterday quite literally were told to not go to houses that have Trump signs outside. | ||
| If you think they're willing To weaponize the entire full force, faith, and credit of the United States government against President Trump and not help dying Trump supporters in North Carolina while, of course, in the same breath sending billions to Ukraine and Israel and Taiwan and every other country. | ||
| You think they're not going to keep coming for you with a vengeance like you've never seen? | ||
| Like we said, November 5th was the day where we either saw The Trump movement, the MAGA movement, become the equivalent, what I would say, of Mao's Hundred Flowers campaign, where they treated it like a political psyop only to identify and jail their opposition. | ||
| The jailing, of course, it's a little close to home here in the war room. | ||
| Or we'd beat it back. | ||
| And we did. | ||
| But now you're seeing the radicalization, particularly of young women who are taking to TikTok and making videos about how they're not going to sleep with any man. | ||
| It's their way to take their power back. | ||
| But it's the proof that they actually have no power and that they're freaking out and that they're really scared of what President Trump is going to do. | ||
| And that they've lost the narrative. | ||
| And in speaking of losing narratives, I think an important fact for this audience to be up-to-date on, so when you hear, oh, we need to be soft on the mass deportations, and oh, this, no, that. | ||
| Springfield, Clark County, Ohio. | ||
| Home to Springfield. | ||
| Trump gained six points there, as compared to 2020. | ||
| And that shows you that the American people, their lived reality does not comport with what the mainstream media wants to tell you about illegal immigration. | ||
| And when they say that our criticisms of their flood response is disinformation, no, no, no. | ||
| That's victim blaming. | ||
| If your flood response sucks intentionally at that because you hate American citizens, we're going to call you out on it. | ||
| Because it's intentional. | ||
| And thank God we have someone whose only intentions are to put America first and make this country great again. | ||
| The fact that that's such a radical policy proposal that's prompting girls to go out and say that they're not going to sleep, marry, or have children with men because of that shows you how far down the culturally Marxist rabbit hole we are and why it's more imperative than ever that this audience keeps their shoulder to the wheel. | ||
| Though I'd humbly posit, I've seen the TikTok girls making the videos. | ||
| I don't think the men are missing out on much. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon, Posobiec at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| so much more. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | |
| Welcome back to The War Room. | ||
| Natalie Winters hosting here out of Washington, D.C. But don't worry, Stephen K. Bannon still joining us remotely. | ||
| Steve, I'll bring you in. | ||
| Your thoughts? | ||
| Maybe that's one of my first rants that you got to witness since you've been back. | ||
| You're coming to the learning curve. | ||
| I want to get back to all this. | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| I want to do, you know, we handle a lot of financial material and events on here. | ||
| We're tracking very closely. | ||
| President Trump's finance team is going to be the Secretary of Treasury, who's going to become total of the currency, who's going to be the NEC and the In the Domestic Policy Council with the White House, we got a lot of updates. | ||
| We're seeing a lot of great stuff. | ||
| I think people are going to be quite happy, trade, all of it. | ||
| I think a real MAGA, and I would say almost ultra-MAGA economic teams come together. | ||
| A couple of things. | ||
| Number one, Birch Gold. | ||
| Always presents our Saturday show. | ||
| You need to talk to Philip Patrick. | ||
| We have a relationship with Birchgold. | ||
| They put the senior people that are available to you. | ||
| We've done the End of the Dollar Empire, which Vanity Fair kind of gave a rave review, I think you would say, in the article about us. | ||
| So make sure you go to birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| You get all the free analysis we've done with the team at Birchgold. | ||
| Plus, you get to talk to Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
| Ask them the question right now, why is gold near an all-time high? | ||
| While the stock market is at an all-time high. | ||
| Things are not supposed to move like that. | ||
| I think it pretends something for the future you should know about, but talk to the experts at birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| Also, home title lock. | ||
| We can't have any of the posse tied up in some financial issue around your house. | ||
| Remember, your house is probably 80% or 90% of your net worth. | ||
| If you're over 35 and lucky enough to own a house, because nobody under 35 basically owns one, You can't have somebody, not just cyber, now it's evident that people even close to you could get into your title and actually take claim of it and take out a second mortgage or maybe even sell the house. | ||
| But just go to hometitlelock.com and look at all the services they provide to take that worry off your plate. | ||
| The last is Tax Network USA. Under Biden, you know, they hired all these IRS agents. | ||
| If you get the envelope, you get the letter from the IRS, please don't put it in the drawer. | ||
| It is not going to go away. | ||
| It's not going to disappear. | ||
| Fees and interest are accumulating. | ||
| Talk to the people at tnusa.com. | ||
| You get a free consultation. | ||
| You got to fill out some stuff for first to see if you even would qualify or make sense for them to work with you. | ||
| And then they will get a free consultation. | ||
| Take advantage of the day. | ||
| These people know all the agents you got to deal with. | ||
| Don't call the IRS right away. | ||
| Call them. | ||
| Talk to them. | ||
| The IRS won't mind that. | ||
| Just talk to them. | ||
| See what they have to offer before you make any contact. | ||
| That's TNUSA.com. | ||
| But you've got to take care of it. | ||
| The IRS stuff's not going to go away. | ||
| Natalie, the Vandy Fair did a great piece on us. | ||
| Actually, two pieces. | ||
| One about my association with some of the hardest core traditional Catholics and Christians. | ||
| And the following issue is about the war room. | ||
| And everyone should read that article. | ||
| One of the things that jumped off the page, they framed it That really the war room and what the war room is trying to put forward with the posse and the reason the posse is so strong is that we represent a political aspect of what they call traditionalism. | ||
| Now traditionalism comes out of Europe. | ||
| It has many different meanings. | ||
| You've got some writers there that are quite deep about going back into time and a myth. | ||
| But then they bring it up currently and said, hey, a lot of this could be just the traditional patriarchy, the traditional family structure versus modernity. | ||
| And I find it quite interesting. | ||
| And the 4B movement in Korea does have aspects that are quite deep and really associated with Korean society and what's happening as they become one of the leading post-industrial But at least on the surface, it does comport with a lot was in Lysistrata, which was a rejection of traditional society at the time. | ||
| These wives said, hey, we're not going to sleep with the men until the men stop going to war all the time. | ||
| Your thoughts today of how this really ties back to traditionalism and what are called the patriarchy and the trad wife movement and all that, ma'am? | ||
| Well, real quick, I'm noticing, I just sat down, and the Warpath coffee bag of the dark roast coffee is missing, so I don't know if you took it with you, but you've got to be checking out Warpath.coffee as well. | ||
| I took it with me and already had a Warpath.coffee. | ||
| Make sure you go and get a real big... | ||
| And whatever you do, don't ask a woman to make it or she may just become the latest 4B supporter. | ||
| But no, I think it's much like immigration, right? | ||
| It's not just a cultural phenomenon. | ||
| It's inextricably linked to the economy too, which is what you were alluding to. | ||
| And I think it's part of this broader idea. | ||
| I mean, look, they made traditionalism. | ||
| They essentially, they are anti-choice in the sense that they deprived young Americans of the ability to really even decide or choose or opt in to wanting to live a traditional lifestyle or being a stay at home mom. | ||
| And I'm not just talking about the demonization of motherhood, the demonization of masculinity, but financially, of course, in concert with, you know, the UN's and the World Economic Forums of the world. | ||
| They have waged full-scale warfare, economic information, biological, chemical. | ||
| I mean, that's right. | ||
| It's all the RFK Jr. | ||
| stuff they're talking about. | ||
| The dropping sperm counts and the hormone disruptions in women, right? | ||
| They have done everything they can to make that, you know, quintessential American lifestyle of a nuclear household fundamentally and fiscally impossible. | ||
| And right now, you're sort of seeing the aftershock, I think, of them melting down. | ||
| I saw someone on MSNBC saying that our counter to Joe Rogan needs to be putting forth not a fascist podcast network, but a feminist podcast network. | ||
| That's how we're going to win men over. | ||
| But it shows you how out of touch they are. | ||
| And I also think there's something quite interesting to this whole concept of the 4B movement in the sense... | ||
| That the current system that they're buying into, right, is one beloved by feminists, right? | ||
| The degenerate sort of, you know, hookup culture that's so untethered from anything that I think anyone who watches this show would call Christian morality or Judeo-Christian values. | ||
| And it's just sort of an interesting thing, right? | ||
| These girls are opting out of a culture of a way of living that at the end of the day really only, I think, disadvantages them, right? | ||
| This is people remember when I did the whatever podcast, right? | ||
| It's that sort of lifestyle, the only fans, just the left wing cultural degeneracy. | ||
| So it's sort of funny, I guess it's maybe the horseshoe theory to a T. | ||
| But they have fundamentally deprived young Americans in particular of the ability to even be trad, to even be a trad wife. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's financially impossible. | ||
| And I think that is part of the reason why you've seen such a movement among young men who want to protect women in the same way that President Trump says that in the left wing media melts down. | ||
| It's not a radical proposition. | ||
| It's what men were created to do and it's what women want men to do. | ||
| But they associate the pejorative connotation to it when it doesn't need to be there. |
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