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Episode 4040: Mass Deportations And Staffing The American First Administration
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
mika brzezinski
The news has an exclusive new reporting on a potential surge on the border before Donald Trump is sworn in.
Joining us now, NBC News Homeland Security correspondent Julia Ainsley.
Julia, what have you learned about these promises and what else?
unidentified
Well, Mika, it's interesting.
This planning meeting that we're finding out about that Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas had with his top advisors and heads of ICE and Customs and Border Protection actually took place on Monday afternoon where they said, look, if Trump is elected, we might see a surge between when Biden leaves office and Trump comes in because there's so many immigrants who are going to think they have to come in now.
So they started to look at bed space, how many people they could have at the border.
And whether or not the policies they have in place now that can rapidly deport people who don't apply or don't qualify for asylum could stay in place.
Then, looking at the reality that we saw after Tuesday night, they're starting to ramp up those discussions even more.
Right now, Mika, they're not necessarily seeing a swarm of people coming, but they're paying attention to chat groups that we at NBC are watching, too.
These are chat groups on WhatsApp, where smugglers advertise their services.
I want to read you some of the things that they're saying on that, on those chat groups.
They say, after the 21 of January, we'll close the borders with extreme security.
Translated texts that we have.
We have until January to enter.
My sister is still in Mexico.
I can't sleep thinking of her.
You have until the 10th of January.
There's a chance.
A lot of misinformation coming around these chat groups, sometimes from smugglers trying to tell migrants, now is the time to come.
We saw a surge as well toward the end of the Obama administration when there was this fear about Trump shutting down the border.
But it very well could be, and there's already one caravan that they're starting to monitor, that we see a sharp surge in migration just before Trump takes office.
One of the reasons why I want to stress to people, we need you in the streets because the courts will not always do everything for us.
But is there more public acceptance or tolerance Okay, welcome.
steve bannon
It is Thursday, 7 November in the year of our Lord 2024.
Two different pieces of content.
We're also going to go down to the board into Mexico with Oscar Blue Ramirez, I think is going to join us.
Trying to get Todd Benzman on later.
I said in the morning show today, the point of attack, and there we had last night what Rachel Maddow is doing.
And I think it may again be tonight if my ever cracked staff here can check.
She's doing two-hour shows earlier in the evening, 7 to 9, I think, where she brings in Joy Ann Reed, Chris Hayes, all the mates.
And they bring in people, and they tell you the point of attack.
This morning we broke down of, as you said, look, there's a couple of full way, three-fold way we're going to do it with the media, with the courts.
And Natalie Winters, your favorite, Civil Society.
She actually said the magic words.
They're just copying Natalie.
natalie winters
I think they're watching War Room.
steve bannon
I think they're watching War Room.
But they also...
This reporting now...
It's very disturbing because it looks like they're trying to game the system.
Talk about the reporting.
And the second individual up there was the head of the ACLU. Their Immigrants Rights Division.
And I'll tell you how good he is.
They asked him a question about another topic.
And you never see this on TV. And the guy goes...
I don't really know anything about that.
I'm just the immigration guy and I got enough of my hand.
So tell me what we're seeing here.
natalie winters
Yeah, Ari Melber lit into him and he did not have the goods.
But we called this yesterday.
Remember, we were talking particularly about how the State Department, the White House, is going to try to ram through aid to Ukraine.
We said it was going to metastasize into DHS. And just now we're getting reporting, whether it's NBC or Politico, to set the stage basically on what you just heard.
There is potentially a caravan looming, brewing, circling the drain down in South and Central America.
And I think this dovetails quite nicely with the story when it comes to sort of the immigration resistance in the sense that Mayorkas is holding calls on Monday before the election, plotting and planning about these alleged...
steve bannon
De-Trumpify.
Over at the White House, they knew what the polling said.
She's not going to make it.
So let's start de-Trumpifying now.
natalie winters
And I'm sure when Kamala Harris didn't come to the mic on Tuesday night, she was calling all her people down in Mexico saying, Get in while you can!
But here's what's so concerning.
So in these calls, Politico finally reported out that they're basically debating what to do should there be a surge.
And I want to read a quote.
Would numbers overwhelm the system and force agents to release migrants into the U.S. with court dates set years into the future?
That's the buried lead of the piece.
That's what Mayorkas was asking, his CBP boots on the ground.
But when you extrapolate that out to what really is this, I think, column of anti-immigration, anti-mass deportation resistance, all those activists are now actively working as we speak to lobby DHS on two key points.
One, when it comes to the detention facilities, they want absolutely zero expansion.
Two, they want to shut down the existing ones, rendering the question, where are all those people going to go?
But they also are working proactively to set the legal groundwork, particularly when it comes to AI and facial recognition, which is a key component of, of course, the mass deportations, to try to act as a bulwark against all that.
But I think that those stories together is how you get DHS going to be welcoming, potentially, I mean, you could be talking about millions, everyone, this is their last chance to enter the United States.
And I think another interesting kind of just nugget in that whole story is how they know that they're coordinating these migratory movements through WhatsApp.
WhatsApp for the last two, three years has spent millions if not billions of dollars into developing technology to censor misinformation coming from the right wing.
Just yesterday they actually rolled out a new feature for censoring misinformation when it comes to pictorial.
So when you link all of that together, but frankly, Steve, I think when it goes to this idea of the resistance, the Rachel Maddow stuff, I was reading in the Columbia Journalism Review, they are full-throat backing what Rachel Maddow is saying.
They had a piece of in defense of resistance going through everything that she's saying.
But I think why it's so important for this audience to pay attention to sort of the evolving...
Narrative on why they think they lost this race is because depending what they identify as the variable that will become their pivot right with the Democratic Party and I think you saw in that Alex Wagner open that they will do everything they can to sort of avoid the reorientation of the political system to have to engage with the populist issues So the establishment,
the elites are going to try to, I think, sort of co-opt and hold on to that resistance because the fundamental issue is right-wing populism always outperforms left-wing populism because they will never touch the issue of immigration like you're seeing right now.
steve bannon
That's with Bernie Sanders.
Okay, let me lay out for the audience kind of what we're trying to accomplish here after the win.
There are one, two, three, four, five, six areas, broad areas.
There will be all the coverage will somehow fall within these verticals.
First will be exactly what happened.
We'll go through demographic analysis, what drew people in, kind of the Alex Wagner.
This has been building for a while.
What have they been pitching?
What does this populist nationalism look like?
Ideologically, theoretically, how to apply it to the campaign with a lot more of the analytics that came in, that have come in.
We will also focus on the House and the Senate.
DeGrasse is going to join us today.
We're going to go through these.
We have to hold this house.
We're getting some pretty good news in the Senate.
I think Dave McCormick has just been called the winner in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Of course, Casey's people are saying it's too close to call.
We're getting pretty good news out of Arizona about Carrie Lake.
Looks like Sam Brown may not make it in Nevada.
The one in Michigan looks like Rogers is not going to make it.
So the Senate could be in the 53, 54.
We'll follow that.
The House looks like we're going to hold it.
The Democrats are still saying it's placed.
So the second big area is the House.
Then we're going to get to...
President Trump's team.
We're going to bifurcate these.
One is the staff, particularly the chief of staff, and who's going to be in the White House, maybe the top 8, 10, 12 jobs.
Which one of those are MAGA? Who are the RINOs?
Because nothing's been agreed to right now.
We'll do that.
Also the administration, attorney general, secretary of the treasury, all that.
We'll be dealing in that separately and talking about potential names, etc.
Then it's policies.
And, you know, exactly what President Trump's trying to do, these executive orders they're working on.
And we will take in there also of the policies, also this big thing that people are talking about on, hey, what happened in 20, what happened in 2020 and investigations, all that.
And then the last is the resistance.
And the resistance is going to be two things is number one.
Is their angle of attack, their framing of coming after President Trump with a combination of color revolution plus a more activist resistance.
Also what I call, that's angle of attack, the point of contact.
And I believe this is why we're starting the A Block with it today, Natalie.
I think the point of contact is going to be the mass deportations, right?
That's going to be the point of contact.
I was talking to some media people, Main Street media people this afternoon, and they go, hey, what you saw last night on Richard Maddow, where they started with the, you know, they had some pictures of kids in cages and went back to that, and then they brought the ACLU person in.
You kind of see what the playbook is.
That is going to deal with, besides things happening in the outside world, the Trump agenda.
As we pivot now from the massive victory, the sweeping victory, we pivot to actually how this is going to happen.
And so we're going to bring the audience along in a journey.
And there are going to be occasions, folks, we're going to need you to man the ramparts.
First off, we need you sharing this information.
You should be dealing with grace and In the team, we should be breaking down clips, Kerry Donovan, Mo, all of it, to break down clips and to push this out.
We need not just download the podcast, please do that, but also to share clips.
We want to make these, when we put something up...
We have a hundred stories we could do a day.
We curate this down to what we think you need, what is helpful to this movement to focus on at the time.
And so, like, we're going to go to, with Oscar Blue Ramirez, this situation on a surge across the border to make our job even harder, and the counter-mass deportations, which they already see the resistance.
This is going to be their point of contact in stopping President Trump in his second term right of the box.
And so this is going to be all critical.
We're going to go to Mexico next in the next break.
And then at the bottom of the hour, I'm actually going to take, I think we've got time, the administration, the chief of staff.
We're going to get into the Secretary of Treasury, the financial.
We've got all of it tonight.
And you're back engaged, this audience.
You were the backbone of the revival of President Trump.
He knew he could always depend upon you.
He always had his back.
And you pushed us across the other day, but we've got to go back to work now.
Fight this now.
Natalie Winters.
natalie winters
I mean, just tap into the feelings that you guys had four years ago today.
That's what the other side is feeling.
And frankly, they're even more unhinged than you guys.
steve bannon
I think we knew we won, but it was stolen.
It was almost like nothing you could do about it.
They've treated us as such a joke.
They're in shock right now.
natalie winters
Yeah.
steve bannon
You can tell the way MSMEC is very funeral, right?
That they're in shock.
Because they never thought with everything they had done, it can't be Trump, right?
He couldn't.
Nikki Haley, they could take getting beaten by Nikki Haley.
They could take getting beaten by Ron DeSantis.
You know, Orange Man bad, and particularly with his vanguard in bib overalls and pitchforks, right?
It's just something they can't comprehend, and you can see it.
That's why the fight, the fight they're having, the pushback they're going to have in the fight...
natalie winters
You already got Newsom calling special sessions out in California to Trump-proof the wonderful state of California.
But like you said, Steve, this show is going to maintain and still be ahead of the curve on all things resistance.
Yesterday, what did we focus on that Fast Company article?
Well, guess who was one of the lead guests on MSNBC last night?
The organizer, the architect of that phone call that's happening tonight at 8 p.m.
I'll be listening.
I think the audience should listen and understand what we're up against.
The ACLU is certainly going to be the railhead.
You heard their deputy director.
steve bannon
Maybe when you tweet that, tweet the number out.
This is this thing.
This is what Guardian said the other day.
It's the beginning of the resistance.
Their official civil society, you know, Rachel Maddow's telling you to join a club, join a bowling league.
That kickoff among those groups goes tonight.
natalie winters
Their embrace of lawfare, obviously, it's not going to stop.
I think it will parlay and segue wonderfully for them into opposing the mass deportations, right?
The Mark Elias's of the world, the color revolution stuff.
They have a lawfare apparatus that is fueled by dark money, and we Is Mark Elias got some free time on his hands?
steve bannon
What has happened to Mark Elias?
natalie winters
He finally wrote his post-mortem.
And honestly, it was really bad.
I would expect more.
The fight continues.
steve bannon
Come on, Mark.
natalie winters
Don't give me that.
steve bannon
That's just like you're trying to bill.
natalie winters
And even his fundraising pitches are really low effort.
He's just putting out the link saying, please support us.
steve bannon
No, Mark.
We need billable hours.
Give us some billable hours, bro.
natalie winters
We built you guys up.
unidentified
We dig you.
steve bannon
We dig you.
Filipowski, the best, the best, the best.
Where's Peltz?
Madeline, where are you guys?
Get out of the fetal position.
Get back up.
Dush yourself off.
natalie winters
You just got a shout-out from the president of Media Matters on MSNBC last night.
steve bannon
Did I? What did he say?
natalie winters
That we're crazy because we believe in the deep state.
steve bannon
That doesn't exist.
That's a hard one.
unidentified
Short break.
steve bannon
Oscar Blue Ramirez joins us.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
Okay, every afternoon we're going through the news, breaking it down, how it fits into these different buckets.
I said if he was a man of honor that Jerome Powell should resign at the exact moment that Donald Trump has announced as the president of the United States.
Not only is he not doing that, he's doubling down.
He says he ain't going anywhere.
Trump can't fire him.
We shall see, sir.
And he cut interest rates on top of that.
Mike Davis off the chain with Letitia James...
And Fannie Willis.
We'll get all to that.
A lot going on here.
I want to go to Mexico.
By the way, Chief of Staff we're going to talk about.
Scott Besson was over at Kudlow.
Besson's talking about the Fed, the Federal Reserve, all of it.
Oscar Blue Ramirez joins us.
So, Oscar, there's this whole concept that there's going to be a massive surge to the border because people realize that they're smart enough to understand Biden was easy and he doesn't care and Trump's tough and he's going to send you home immediately.
What's our current status?
unidentified
Well, sir, whether the American taxpayer doesn't believe it or not, on the day of the elections, there was a massive caravan that they left The south of the border, it was more than 3,000 people walking on the day of the elections.
A lot of them were believing that Kamala Harris was going to win.
But all of a sudden, everything shifts and everything changes.
And on the next day, everybody was asking, what are we going to do now?
Even the Mexican authorities started acting and started going to this large group and telling them, you know what, if you guys want to go back and do your process correctly, if you guys want to do the CBP1 app, if you guys want to just not continue to walk.
So the caravans started decreasing.
The majority of these people, again, Steve, they're from Central America, South America, all parts of the world, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India.
We had some people from the Middle East also, you know, in this caravan.
So again, you know, in the day of the election, Steve, whether you believe it or not, 3000 people started walking, you know, and people now are understanding that everything is going to change and that Donald Trump is going to come in.
There's going to be a massive deportation.
CBP-1 app is going to disappear.
So a lot of them, they're going to go and try to go back home or stay in Mexico.
Talk to me about this, the app itself.
steve bannon
This was even brought up at the, I think, the debate.
She tried to say she pretended she never knew about it, Harris, remember?
It was a VP debate, so it was a VP debate, and Walls pretended like he had never heard about it.
How big a deal is this, Natalie?
And you can jump in with Oscar.
How big a deal is this, is that they're threatening, I mean, he's basically...
Putting a shotgun to the head of the United States.
These massive caravans are going to come up, and quite frankly, the government's not really going to stop them.
natalie winters
I mean, it's kinetic warfare.
It's essentially what it is.
I have the CBP-1 app actually on my phone, and I went through and saw how easy it was.
You want to talk about cheapening the value of American citizenship, you literally, it's five clicks, and you have an appointment, and you're essentially released into the United States.
But I think there's such a...
steve bannon
With a court date nine years from now.
natalie winters
And that's the true law fair.
And I think when you juxtapose that with another story coming out of NBC News just last month, seeing that one in three cameras on the southern border are inoperable.
They don't work.
I said, I'm surprised they'd miss out on the masochistic footage of watching all these people invade our country.
But if they want to weaponize the border, right, with technological surveillance, they could.
But the point is that they don't.
And I'm curious, from Oscar's perspective, we're already hearing that, you know, the sort of 2016-style resistance is working to lobby DHS to preemptively not just shut down future detention centers, but actively, the ones that are open right now, essentially disband them and have them stop, cease working.
I don't even know how that would necessarily work.
What are you hearing in terms of the feasibility in this, you know, next couple weeks, the damage that they could do?
What is the order of magnitude that you think they could potentially inflict on this country in terms of damage?
unidentified
Well, the thing about it is that Kamala Harris tried to move the CBP-1 app to the south border of Tapachula so they can stop the massive flow arriving into the norm borders to make it just as a smokescreen to make everybody believe that the illicit and illegal entries were just decreasing.
But it is massively increasing to CBP-1 app.
What we're hearing in Central and South America, it is that in the next couple of months between here in November and December, there is going to be a massive flow that is going to come in through the Dairy and Gap, through Central America, and ultimately through Mexico.
Try to make a run for it before Donald Trump becomes president.
And the cartel has been incentivized, has been growing massively right here, just a few kilometers away from where I am at.
The cartel has completely dominated the part of Guatemala, smuggling, basically extortioning, kidnapping, and charging migrants between the quantities of $300, $500 just to cross a river on a water raft.
So the cartel knows, a lot of international organizations know, that they need to push this before Donald Trump comes into office.
And make it look like it's a humanitarian issue and it's a crisis issue to make him look, you know, in a way, make look bad, the president that is coming in, that is Donald Trump.
natalie winters
And Oscar, I'm curious, it was just last month there was reporting out that, you know, the new Marxist president down in Mexico temporarily agreed to halt the flow of migrants into the United States.
I mean, that's election interference at its finest.
But I'm curious how you could see that potentially being inverted under Trump to have, you know, if they put in the safe third party agreement, I'm sure that that would sort of rework it.
But absent that, could you see various sort of whether it's global government action, Actual elected officials or government bodies, I'm talking the UNs, the WEFs, the NGOs of the world, sort of work to create such a huge pile of humanity that's trying to come into the United States.
unidentified
Well, the first thing that needs to be done, Donald Trump did this when he was president.
He got out of the global compact on migration and that immediately enabled the United Nations, the OIMs and the UNHCRs to have power over the United States borders.
We have to understand who has the power of the United States borders.
It is the United Nations and these proxies.
The only bad thing about it is that Mexico is in it.
And the past agreement, the past administration, Joe Biden had a great agreement with the Mexican government and they were giving them millions for these mobility centers.
And for these NGOs to have power over the Mexican borders, now everything can change.
So the first thing that I need to do, get out of the global compact, stop this federal grants to all these NGOs that are giving them money on the Mexican side and secure the border.
And just, I said this on past broadcasts, Natalie, this is diplomatic extortion.
The Mexican government knows about this, that a new administration was going to come, and all of a sudden you have four caravans in less than one month Before the election.
So they know that this can be formulated as a way to pressure the new administration to say, if you want me to stop this, we need more funds to stop it.
steve bannon
Explain to the audience just one more time.
You've done it when you've been in the Darien Gap and other places, but the global compact on migration.
Why is that important?
What is it?
Who controls it?
And why do you say that gives the United Nations and foreign countries control over the American border, sir?
unidentified
The Global Compact on Migration gives the ability to migrants to cross through non-ports of entry and to arrive and to claim asylum and refugee through non-ports of entry.
That's basically what has been happening.
It started in Europe and now you see it on the West.
It was brought on the West from Barack Obama and it was just completely eradicated when Donald Trump became president.
It is extremely important to get out of it and why they have control of the United States voters because before, Steve, The actual Border Patrol had the ability to detain and deport and what it was, illegal entry.
Now, every migrant that enters to a non-port of entry or to an open border gap It can easily upload his hands and say, asylum and refugee, and they need to be processed under international treaty.
This international treaty, it is the Global Compact of Migration.
That is the reason why you have all these proxies that they're working on the United States border, all these NGOs, and a lot of them, they have been caught red-handed working with the organized crime, knowing the statistics and the geographics, where the cartel is smuggling them so they can receive them, process them, and just use the Border Patrol as an Uber.
steve bannon
Walk me through the Biden regime's position right now, the real stuff, what you really think's going on.
Are they trying to exacerbate this?
They intend to actually make sure these people are returned, or at least they're in some place that President Trump, when he takes over on January 20th?
Or do you actually think they're working towards trying to maximize the number of illegal migrants that get here between now and the 20th, sir?
unidentified
The safety has been maximized.
Kamala Harris lied.
She said that illegal entries and illicit entries to non-port of entry have decreased.
Yes, but the CBP-1 applicants have increased into the hundreds of thousands, you know, and she has opened more of these CBP-1 app cities in Mexico.
This is why she was sending millions of dollars to the Mexican government.
How it can happen in the next couple of months, it's going to exacerbate.
But when Donald Trump takes power, this is what is going to happen.
A lot of the protests, they're going to happen on the side of Mexico.
oscar blue ramirez
You're going to have a lot of these international organizations, all these NGOs, all these progressive mercenary activists coming over here to Mexico and protest continuously on every pedestrian port of entry and every vehicle port of entry.
unidentified
This is the reason why, when Donald Trump was president, the threat of a tariff was the most effective, effective strategy to contain and to maintain the Mexican government, to make them understand.
And if they continue with this, they will affect them in the economy and the automobile industry, avocado and beer.
And if they do that again, believe me, Steve, this is going to decrease.
Not only to help Mexicans with the organized crime in the cartel, it is going to increase the business at the borders and also is going to have a massive control in every border in the south to connect with Guatemala and the organized crime and the trafficking that continues into the country.
steve bannon
Hey, Oscar, what's your social media?
And we're going to have you back on.
Todd's been texting me the last couple of days showing me this.
We just we had to do so much of the current politics.
We couldn't get to it.
But this is folks understand that they're going to try to cause total chaos here.
To try to maximize the number of people come across because they understand the point of contact coming out of the gate of the resistance.
And when I say the resistance, I mean the left-wing resistance to Trump is going to be the mass deportations.
Oscar, what's your social media, brother?
unidentified
Thank you so much, sir, for the invitation.
It's always an honor to be with you.
Oscar Blue Ramirez all around, sir.
And of course, you can find us at Real America's Voice News, sir.
Thank you so much.
natalie winters
I think the developers of the CBP1 app need to be hauled before Congress and, frankly, investigated and tried for treason.
steve bannon
And what they were told by who in the administration of what features were needed.
natalie winters
They've been very tight-fisted about handing over FOIA docs when it comes to how they created the CBP1 app.
It's very interesting.
steve bannon
Remember, we're...
natalie winters
They should be gloating about it.
steve bannon
Exactly.
Super app.
Also, this issue, this is what caused the rise of the populist nationalist movement in Europe.
And here, you're just getting it jammed up in your face.
And you know who the victims are?
The folks that they have crossing the border, right?
They're using these people as pawns in a very deadly and dangerous game.
Short commercial break.
We're going to talk a little bit about the knife fight that's going on to staff the White House.
unidentified
Next.
steve bannon
Only in the world.
unidentified
The important roles that has been in discussion has been Trump's chief of staff.
This is going to be his right hand.
We have some new reporting on that, as we have been saying.
Susie Wiles, the co-campaign manager, is likely the front-runner for that position.
That's what we're told at this time.
And my colleague Steve Contorno is learning from a source close to Wiles that she is up for this job, that she is interested in taking the chief of staff job, but not without some conditions.
In fact, this source told Steve that the clown car can't come down.
At will to the White House.
That was one of the conditions that Susie Wiles had.
Now, just to keep in mind here, Wiles, one of her main jobs on the campaign trail was knowing that she couldn't control her candidate, but trying to control everything around him.
And that meant trying to keep people, certain specific people who are controversial, who could cause problems to the former president, as far away from him as possible.
She wasn't always successful.
But now she is saying that that would be something that would be very important for her to have control over if she was to be Chief of Staff.
One other interesting thing about Wiles is that she's really creating an army across the Republican Party on all spectrums.
Earlier today, Kevin McCarthy, former Speaker of the House, somebody who had been considered to possibly be chief of staff, said he didn't want it, that Susie Wiles should do it.
Charlie Kirk, pretty much on the opposite side of Kevin McCarthy, also endorsing Susie Wiles for this job.
So it certainly looks as though she could be front runner and she could be given this job as they move forward, which would be critical for not only the transition, but obviously for the administration.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
So we want to make sure we don't get too in the weeds, but you need to know what's going on because personnel is policy.
I think the first thing out of the box, Natalie, is going to be the White House staff.
When Reince and I, we announced it was the Sunday night after Tuesday.
That we were announced and then other positions on Monday and Tuesday that following week.
I think we're going to have the same kind of timing.
I think they want to name the top ten, I would say, shortly.
I don't think it'll be tomorrow, but sometime over the weekend and maybe even on Sunday.
Every time Kevin McCarthy's involved in anything, it's always a misdirection play.
Kevin McCarthy's not the central problem.
Here's the central problem.
You have a guy named Jeff Miller.
If we could put his...
Is that Jeff Miller?
natalie winters
That's Jeff Miller.
steve bannon
That's Jeff Miller.
I don't have my glasses on.
natalie winters
They're kind of the same, though.
steve bannon
No, they are the swamp.
So Jeff Miller is the central lobbyist.
He was Kevin McCarthy's central lobbyist.
The reason that you have the horrible debt ceiling deal and the reason that Kevin McCarthy lost his speakership for the only time in American history, I love saying that, Kevin, and rubbing your nose in it, is because of Jeff Miller and the quote-unquote lobbyist and what the lobbyists wanted is because of Jeff Miller and the quote-unquote lobbyist and what the lobbyists wanted because they want more and continue Jeff Miller is all over Mar-a-Lago and is telling corporate clients and telling everybody he's running the deal, that he's embedded here.
Under no circumstance can Kevin McCarthy be Chief of Staff.
Kevin McCarthy was removed as Speaker of the House, which is extraordinary.
It's incomprehensible to think of American politics and think that a Speaker can be removed.
Why was he removed?
Because after that massive fight In the couple of weeks of early 2023, and this audience remembers because you were the cadre that were forcing the topic, the deal he cut, he lied to people.
And particularly on the debt ceiling deal by April or May, what he had done is essentially given Biden a blank check, a total blank check to spend as much money as possible.
The reason we're in this problem today...
The roots of it are Kevin McCarthy, but it's a mentality in a mindset, in a way of old business of what it runs.
Now we're in a situation.
You have very prominent economists on both sides of the aisle sitting there saying, hey, the greatest national security threat to the United States of America is not simply the debt.
It's what the debt represents, and that is the interest rates on the debt.
The interest being paid is now over a trillion dollars.
We're adding still essentially a trillion dollars every hundred days.
We're the first ones to call that.
Remember, we called at the beginning of last fiscal year that we were going to have, I don't know, between a $1.5 and a $2 trillion deficit.
When Kevin McCarthy was trying to convince people it was going to be under a trillion dollars, he said, no, it would be closer to $2 trillion.
And we won't be able to afford it.
This is because of the lobbyist mentality.
Their clients make out, they get the programs, the stocks go up, all of it.
And who pays for it?
The folks that are getting crushed by interest rates.
Do you want to jump in?
Just jump in again.
natalie winters
Well, I think you were being too nice when you just said that Jeff Miller was a lobbyist.
Because you buried the lead on who his clients are.
steve bannon
Okay, go ahead.
natalie winters
Pfizer.
Blackstone and the U.S. Immigration Fund, which works to give out EB-5 visas to Chinese Communist Party members, basically.
steve bannon
Talk about the last first.
Let's go to that, because that gets back to this thing.
He is one of the ones—this is why they always talk about comprehensive immigration reform.
When you hear comprehensive immigration reform, it means amnesty and open borders, because the people like Jeff Miller and their corporate clients want— They want the cheapest wages, lowest wages possible.
The reason we just had this sweeping victory and we had African-American men and Hispanic men after we were told in lecture that you would never get it is that, hey, they value American citizenship and they would love for the political class and their puppet masters on Wall Street and Silicon Valley to appreciate it too.
Jeff Miller is the connective tissue between Wall Street, like BlackRock, and Silicon Valley.
He's the connective tissue of particularly things like HB1 visas and immigration.
That's why him being down in Mar-a-Lago, him hanging around the rim, and him saying, yeah, I'm getting guys in the administration, we cannot have these sleazy lobbyists anywhere around.
And Kevin McCarthy, he attracts them like dandruff.
Right?
That snow on Kevin McCarthy's suit.
Wait for it.
No, it's dandruff.
It's dandruff.
I know he's looking a little washed out, but it's dandruff.
Kevin McCarthy, no way.
This is why Susie Wiles is so important as chief of staff.
Susie is not an ideologue.
She's very calm.
Now, I don't love the...
I don't love the thing about the clown car because that's a code for, you know, the Stephen Millers and the Peter Navarros and the MTGs and the hardcore, the hardest-core folks that we have that are real warriors.
Natalie Winters.
natalie winters
Well, today's Speaker Johnson, I think, in their GOP conference call, he said, we now live in a center-right America.
And I would humbly push back and say, no, sir, we live in a MAGA America.
But if you look at that paradigm, the concept, right, that what we are debating now is the center-right versus a more far-right, Not in the pejorative connotation the media loves to use, but the more MAGA, Bannonism approach to things versus the Jeff Millers of the world.
Like we said, going into the election, this is the fight that we always wanted.
But I think this audience has earned a seat at the table, right?
We were the shoulder behind the wheel driving the electoral victories.
The Jeff Millers of the world were having their nice cocktail parties and, let's call it what it is, grifting down at Mar-a-Lago.
But Jeff Miller is a lobbyist.
steve bannon
Hang on.
Look, we're here in the Imperial Capital.
We didn't do the broadcast the other day from Palm Beach because we thought it was more important to be at the historic location, right?
Because the journey is not the word journey's end.
But it's a way station along the way in this journey.
I thought it was very important to be there for the symbolism of how a lot of this started.
So we're not looking for any special.
And the audience is certainly not looking for anything special.
What we want to do is have President Trump succeed.
And President Trump succeed on the policies that he ran on because that's building this bigger coalition.
African-American, Hispanic, Asian, Arab-Americans that are just coming to our coalition now are saying, hey, are these guys actually going to deliver?
They want to deliver on populist policies.
What we don't want to do, Natalie, is to actually have lobbyists up there that all have corporate interests.
natalie winters
Jake Sherman, Susie Wiles will be White House chief of staff.
steve bannon
Just announced.
natalie winters
I think someone's watching the war room.
steve bannon
Come on.
We're making the pitch.
That was quick.
You're making the pitch and it's in.
unidentified
Yo!
natalie winters
Boom.
steve bannon
Susie.
No, but she's very even-handed.
She's good people.
I hired her, but the story goes back to 2016.
We had a little bit of an air pocket in Florida.
I was quite concerned.
I sent down one of our senior people to go check it out because I was not comfortable with the numbers coming in.
We actually had a very good person running it that had run Florida in the primary when President Trump had almost no staff.
I kept hearing about this person, Susie Wiles.
The other person came up.
We had a more important job for them to do at the time immediately about a coalition, pulling coalitions, because guess what?
The media was beating on us, and we were having a tougher time.
On women voters, I know that comes as a shock, and this is before the Hollywood situation came up.
But she did a fantastic job as we got voices, we got more surrogates out there.
Susie took over the Florida campaign, and I told her, I said, listen, we're not going to have unlimited time.
This is back in September.
I said, we've got to kind of get some gap into Florida.
We have to win Florida.
Back then it was Ohio and Florida.
We've got to win those as an opening to then win the other battleground states and, of course, the Blue Wall, which we needed to To succeed.
I said, you have to do this.
And Susie came through.
And hey, there were a lot of people not wildly enthusiastic about her because she doesn't come off sometimes as the most dynamic individual in the world.
It's fine.
She's kind of steady Eddie.
And trust me, with the intensity and urgency of many of the people around President Trump and also some people that are helping from the outside, like doing shows like War Room and there's other out there, you need to kind of be a steady Eddie.
natalie winters
Well, she's not going to be a John Kelly type who has, you know, secretly a whole, I guess, idea of how the United States government, how the Trump administration needs to work.
She won't be coming out smearing him as a fascist.
I just want to flag for you, though.
You know, I get my tweet notifications from Norm Eyes and Mark Elias.
They both have just tweeted in the last five minutes saying that the Pennsylvania Senate race is not over, even though AP declared it.
steve bannon
So this was called for McCormick.
unidentified
Yes.
natalie winters
So I just want to put that down.
steve bannon
For Brother McCormick, but they're already very intense, saying it's too early.
Expect him to go into court.
Okay, Bob Casey, that family has been involved in Pennsylvania politics at the senior level for decades and decades and decades.
They just ain't going to roll over for that seat.
So we should assume, although I think the spreads there with McCormick are pretty impressive.
natalie winters
There are a huge number of ballots left, irresponsible to make a call now, according to Norm Eisen.
steve bannon
Mark Elias.
Mark Elias, he's using our playbook?
natalie winters
No, that was Norm.
unidentified
That was Norm.
steve bannon
But I mean, he's only doing it if Mark's...
natalie winters
No, Mark is teasing us.
Mark says that more is coming soon.
steve bannon
More is coming soon.
Less is more.
So, Jake Sherman, who's pretty good in this, over at Punchbowl, Jake Sherman is saying Susie Wiles...
The boardroom starts the Susie Wiles pitch halfway through the pitch, two-thirds of the way through the pitch.
natalie winters
The music hasn't even started playing.
steve bannon
I'm glad I took that to McCarthy.
Jeff, now, Susie, what we need to do is make sure Jeff Miller's not down at Mar-a-Lago eating the, what is it, the Cobb salad that's so great down there?
natalie winters
And giving everyone Pfizer vaccine.
steve bannon
Giving a Pfizer vaccine.
Who was the other guy?
It was Pfizer, the immigration.
natalie winters
Blackstone, U.S. Immigration Fund.
steve bannon
Is it Blackstone or BlackRock?
natalie winters
I know.
mika brzezinski
I wish you were BlackRock.
natalie winters
Blackstone.
steve bannon
It's Blackstone.
natalie winters
Which is even more in bed with the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
steve bannon
Schwarzman's made his fortune there.
The staff, you know, you'll have people like Stephen Miller, people like Peter Navarro, people maybe like Sergio Gore.
You've got, over at the White House staff, you have the chief of staff, but then you have the three big kind of groupings, or I guess four.
You have Office of Management and Budget.
That really manages and is the connective tissue to control the actual government, okay?
You do that and that may be a guy like Russ Vogt who's spectacular and on the show line.
Then you have the National Security Council.
That's more the military.
That is the command post that's right below the Oval Office and the other offices in the West Wing.
That was General Flynn, but we also had a couple of disasters like McMaster's and John Bolton.
I mean, that's one President Trump's really going to have to think through about selecting.
And then you have the National Economic Council, which is all the economic policy interfaces with Treasury.
Then you have the Domestic Policy Council.
So OMB and those other big three, those will be announced, I think, over the next couple of days.
natalie winters
MSNBC was melting down over the staffing, and Chris Hayes said, we need to have, you know, the soft Republicans, we need to encourage them to go into the administration.
He's like, last time I told people like that not to, but this time I'm telling them to go and join.
So you know there's going to be active subversion efforts, right?
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting, and that comes in the form of staffing administrations.
steve bannon
What Rachel Maddow said last night, he said the media is going to try to pick off, hey, Rachel, Any of the mainstream media you got, you just got smoked at the polls.
I don't think we need you guys.
I think we got, what is it, the Nelt Brothers, we got Joe Rogan.
natalie winters
I heard all the spas are booked in Washington, D.C., I'm not kidding, for self-care appointments and massages.
I'm not kidding.
steve bannon
How would you know that?
natalie winters
Not because I was trying to book.
unidentified
They sent it on MSMEC. This is reportage, this is reportage.
natalie winters
I was doing some investigative reporting.
steve bannon
Reporting, yeah.
Do you have an appointment at two?
No.
Unbelievable.
Where's my massage?
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
Okay, it is a very imperfect world where we're in posse.
Even when we win, sometimes we don't win.
I realize Susie Wiles is from Bush, but she's been with us for a while.
She knows the president very well.
The other alternatives were Brooks Rowland or Kevin McCarthy.
That's just reality.
That's what it came down to, right?
There may be other people later on, but, you know, and Kevin McCarthy represents the D.C. swamp.
He's got Jeff Miller all over the place.
It's not that Jeff Miller's a bad guy.
It's not Kevin McCarthy's not a bad guy.
He's kind of a Hill fellow.
Well, I always said he was pledge chairman at the frat, right?
He's one of those type of guys.
But the problem is, is that they represent the cartel.
And what we're trying to do is break the cartel.
You know, this is what our project has been over the last couple of years.
And so you can't put cartel members or guys that represent the cartel into these slots.
So I think you'll see there's some other slots coming up.
Like I said, OMB, you've got the National Security Council, you've got the National Economic Council, which is all the financial and...
Things on economy.
You've got the Domestic Policy Council.
You have the Staff Sec.
Deputy Chief of Staff.
There's a lot of things going on there.
Natalie Winters.
unidentified
I think who's going to run PPO is also very important.
steve bannon
PPO is quite important.
PPO is the personnel policy, and there's been names thrown out there.
They've thrown out Peter Navarro and Sergio Gore.
You've got some good guys in there.
Is Mike Lindell up, or is he going to make it on this one?
Just let me know.
If Lindell's up, we'll get Lindell.
He is?
Mike Lindell joins us.
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What do you got?
mike lindell
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The way I look at it, Steve, this is just because we had the greatest election in history here, the outcome, we've got so much more work to do over the next few years here to get our country back and everyone's got to take part in it.
steve bannon
Okay, what are people, you've got something at 7 o'clock.
What is that?
We're going to pick up your live stream.
What do you have?
mike lindell
Yeah, yeah, go over to X, everybody.
I'm gonna be doing a, at 7 p.m., I'm gonna be doing an X, one of these Twitter show, Twitter things, pieces over there.
And I'll be on for an hour, and I'm gonna tell you what we're all doing going forward, because we're not letting up on securing our elections.
I mean, this is only, this is just gonna hopefully make it a lot easier in our efforts over the last three and a half years.
So you're going to hear everything we're doing, everything we're going to do, our successes that are out there.
And also, Steve, what's going on now?
We're going to have the lawyers on that are going to also explain what's going on with lawsuits that are out there, like in Georgia.
What happened to these lawsuits that were out there against Rasenberger, things like that.
So we're going to have great reports to the country at 7 o'clock on Easter.
steve bannon
But hang on.
Are you getting on—you've got Cernovich, you've got our staffs working on it, you've got Liz Harrington.
Are you going to get on this massive voter—vote ballot discrepancy in the 2024 that shows that they'll probably come up, I don't know, 8 to 10 million votes short than they were in 2020?
Oh, absolutely.
mike lindell
Absolutely.
Hey, we're— Letting up on 2020, that's where it's all at, everybody.
When I said we gotta fix 2020 first way back then, it doesn't mean just because this election came first, it's taken a long time, but we will never stop till we get to the bottom of it.
It's impossible, absolutely impossible.
When things are mathematically impossible, you have to check in.
You can't just put it aside and say, well, we'll let that go.
steve bannon
We're all over that, Steve.
They may think of Mike Lindell as just this crazy guy coming out and selling pellets.
He's one of the smartest, one of the most brilliant mathematical brains because at one time you were a degenerate gambler on sports.
unidentified
And this guy has literally got...
steve bannon
No, you're one of those...
On the numbers, you're scary smart.
So I know you'll get to the bottom.
Mike Lindell, honored to have you on here, brother.
mike lindell
Yep.
Thanks, Steve.
Thanks for having me.
natalie winters
Well, just springboarding off of that democracy docket, Mark Elias' group is already talking about legislation that they want to put forth and been lobbying for that they think could have won them this election, having to do same-day voter registration, automatic voter registration, and mass mail-in voting, but the buried lead saying that even if they had rolled all that out, it only would have given an additional 8 million voters, Democrats and Republicans, and that still doesn't mend the gap.
steve bannon
Nope, they're so short.
unidentified
Right?
steve bannon
You still lose.
It's called...
Wait for it, Rachel.
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
Democracy.
natalie winters
A masterclass.
steve bannon
A masterclass in democracy.
unidentified
You got the democracy suppository, baby!
steve bannon
Deal with it.
Live with it.
natalie winters
Our democracy died in darkness, I guess.
steve bannon
Exactly.
That happened with the washable.
Jeff Bezos, they're glad you made that purchase now.
Not.
Short commercial break, the second hour.
I think we have Julie Kelly, Alex DeGrasse and the House Racer.
Julie Kelly, hey, she's talking to Jack Smith saying, bro, don't wander too far.
Okay, maybe we'll play a little Mike Davis.
Mike Davis talking to him.
Mike Davis is out of control.
We've got a lot going on in the second hour.
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