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BANNON SATURDAYS: Steve Bannon | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) Sep 28, 2018
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Bye!
bill maher
That's not so bad.
Thank you, Steve.
All right, Steve.
Well, it took a lot of prepping to get the audience to be that nice to you.
But I'm going to say to you what I always say to conservatives when they come here.
First of all, thank you.
I appreciate it.
And it says, volumes, why the Republicans are in power and we have none.
Hillary Clinton never came here.
Maybe she'd be president if she were more confident.
unidentified
Big time.
bill maher
Yeah.
And I know that You know, you had a little event there at the New Yorker.
They had a festival.
In fact, I want to read Malcolm Gladwell's quote, because they were going to interview you, and then you were disinvited.
I've been disinvited many times, by the way.
It's a good club.
And Malcolm Gladwell said, call me old-fashioned, but I would have thought that the point of a festival of ideas was to expose the audience to ideas.
If you only invite your friends over, it's called a dinner party.
What are your thoughts on that?
steve bannon
Well, David Remnick chased me for a year to be on his podcast.
And he came to me and said, hey, we'd be honored if you were in this Festival of Ideas.
I said, fine.
I don't want compensation.
But I like going into hostile audiences with tough interviewers.
I mean, I do very little conservative media now.
I do CNN, BBC, The Economist.
I'd go to the toughest places, toughest interviewers, and say, hey, no holds barred.
Hostile audiences, let's get it on.
bill maher
And again, that's why the Republicans are in power.
steve bannon
So let me ask you about... I think it does sharpen, it sharpens the blade.
bill maher
It does.
Let me pick your brain about the Democrats because you're a strategist and you got your boy elected but no one said that could happen.
steve bannon
Donald Trump got himself elected.
bill maher
Steve, I don't want to get on this, but first you were crazy about Sarah Palin, and then you were crazy about Donald Trump.
I think you look for morons who are empty vessels that you can put more ideas into.
Steve, every single person in the administration has called him an idiot.
That's what you look for.
I get it.
steve bannon
No, no.
By the way, we'll get into it.
As you get into his economic war with China, did you see what he's doing to realign the world's economy?
Look, did he go to Harvard Kennedy School?
Does he speak in the vernacular of the elites of this world?
No, he speaks in a very plain spoken vernacular, but he's incredibly smart.
bill maher
He is.
It's not his syntax that I'm worried about.
Did you see his press conference this week?
He says crazy shit that no one thinks is true.
You don't think it's true.
steve bannon
No, but here's the power of the press conference.
No other gutless Republican would go into that lion's den for an hour and 20 minutes and take all the incoming.
He stood up for Kavanaugh more than any of these guys did.
And I think it's one of the things that empowered Kavanaugh to go into on Thursday and to take on the Democrats.
If Trump had not done that, You know, by the way, he did have some answers that were not the standard answers, but look, he's got his own.
bill maher
It's not about the standard, it's about reality.
steve bannon
He has his own house style.
bill maher
He's divorced from reality.
steve bannon
Absolutely not true.
He's actually more grounded.
That speech at the UN?
bill maher
No, the speech... He said, China loves me because I have a big, big brain.
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Steve...
steve bannon
A very big blame.
Whatever it is.
bill maher
Now, let me ask you this.
If any other president just one day got up and talked like that, the markets would crash, and you'd have a heart attack.
It's just that we're a frog in the pot, and we see it every day.
steve bannon
Bill, Bill, Bill.
He's created $10 trillion.
Remember, when he's got elected, when nobody thought he was, the market was going to crash, OK?
He's created $10 trillion.
bill maher
The market was going to crash.
steve bannon
Remember, when he won, everybody said, the market's going to crash.
bill maher
I did.
steve bannon
It's Armageddon.
You're right.
bill maher
That's the one I got wrong, yeah.
It will, though.
steve bannon
My point is, he's got It will.
My point is he's got a very fundamental plan of how he's turning around this economy.
I think you guys missed the point when you separate the signal from the noise.
Watch the signal.
There's a flashbang grenade every day as far as the noise goes, right?
But just watch the signal.
He's very consistent.
That speech at the UN the other day... Well, you know what?
bill maher
The signal that was sent with the tax cut didn't reach your base.
Reality 101, Bill.
Reality won once because, wait a second, they know that that tax cut, 83% of it, went to the top 1%.
They know that, and they don't like it.
steve bannon
I was the guy in the Oval Office that was pushing a 44% tax rate for those over $5 million and to take the $3 trillion that were repatriated and make sure there were different tax structures so we'd be invested in plant equipment in inner cities.
Now, the overall tax plan I think works for workers, and here's why.
You've got to look at it in context.
of our economic war with China.
You can't separate the tariffs and what he's doing on the 301s, what he's doing on trying to stop intellectual property theft and appropriation from the taxes.
The taxes principally were to make our companies competitive with Germany and China.
The personal tax rates, which I didn't totally agree with, right, because there's more of the trickle down, is something that had to be used to get this thing passed.
bill maher
But the central part of it was the corporate tax But isn't that what a con man does?
He said, I'm going to look out for you, the common man, the forgotten American, and then he gets in there and tries to steal their health care to pay for the tax cut for the rich people.
How is that being honest to the...
steve bannon
Because the central part of this bill was bringing manufacturing jobs back from East Asia.
And that's what he's doing.
The tax cuts for corporations make him competitive with China and Germany.
The tariffs are part of an economic war that China has foisted upon us for the last 25 years.
And this is all of whole cloth.
And that's why it's working.
He's reorienting, Bill, the world supply chain right now with China.
bill maher
I've done as far as I can to get you on this.
Next question.
I want to pick your brain on the Democrats.
Because you of all people, I want the answer to this.
Who scares you?
Who do you think could do good?
How do you handicap the people?
What do you think about Elizabeth Warren?
What do you think about Bernie Sanders?
What do you think about Kamala Harris?
Do you think about Gavin Newsom?
I know you like them all.
Eric Holder.
What do you think about all these people?
And then I say Michael Avenatti.
I saw that tweet he wrote the other day.
I said, he could be the Trump.
of 2020, the guy who's the outsider who like blows through the regular politician because
steve bannon
he looks different and he's got balls. If Bernie Sanders had an ounce of Avenatti's fearlessness
he would have been the democratic nominee and we would have had a much tougher time.
Bernie doesn't have fearlessness? Not like Avenatti. Avenatti and I've not done any
due diligence on this guy. Right. He's got a fearlessness.
bill maher
Right.
steve bannon
And he's a fighter.
He's a fighter.
bill maher
Right.
steve bannon
I think he'll go through a lot of this field if he decides to stick with it like a cyst through grass.
Now, I don't happen to think a professional politician, because I think we're in a new age, I don't think a professional politician is going to be there at the end of the day.
I've always said it's going to be someone like Oprah or an Avenetti or somebody that's more media savvy is going to be there.
But I think one thing people should... You think that's good?
I think it's just the reality of today.
I think you need to know how to handle mass communications.
bill maher
You have to be a star first.
steve bannon
If I can say one thing, I do think this campaign after November 6th, which is really Trump's first re-elect, if we lose the House, he's going to get impeached.
This is a referendum on him.
If we get past that, if we get past that, I think in 2020, you're going to have Trump on the right,
a politician, maybe a Kamala Harris or somebody on the left, and I think you'll have a Bloomberg
or Romney or somebody in the center.
I think it'll be a three-way race.
bill maher
I hope so, because if it's a three-way, they will take away enough votes to make sure Donald Trump never wins again.
steve bannon
Now that we're talking about... By the way, his first term is going to be so successful.
Look, it's 4% growth.
bill maher
Oh, we're so tired of winning, Steve.
steve bannon
The economy's on... I'll come back here during 2020 and we'll talk about it.
bill maher
Okay.
But speaking of elections, I would love to know what advice you would give.
to Donald Trump if he didn't leave even after he lost.
Because I saw Hillary Clinton- You're obsessed with this.
I am obsessed with this.
steve bannon
You're obsessed with this.
Why do you think he's not going to leave?
bill maher
Wait a second.
steve bannon
Just because- I know he's having the time of his life.
bill maher
Because he's an insane narcissist who talks all the time about how we should have a president for life.
Let me read what Hillary said, because you're right, people have been saying I'm an alarmist and I'm crazy because I keep saying he's not going to leave even if he loses.
Now crooked Hillary is saying- She said this.
She said, you remember the moment in the third debate when Trump refused to pledge that he would accept the result of the vote?
That's where it started.
She said, it took my breath away.
Even the moderator from Fox News couldn't believe it.
I felt the foundations of our democracy tremble.
Imagine if Trump does the same thing in 2020.
What happens then?
steve bannon
This is the reason she's not president.
I mean, this is the kind of gobbledygook.
bill maher
So you're saying he will go if he loses?
steve bannon
Oh, I don't think it's a question, absolutely.
I mean, it's not even, I mean, that's absurd.
bill maher
But you didn't think you'd get fired?
steve bannon
Well, I remember, remember, remember.
bill maher
I'm just saying.
steve bannon
I only gave it one year.
Read the book.
I quit.
bill maher
I will read the book.
He was mean to you.
He fired you.
He said mean things.
steve bannon
I've been working on this project.
I've been working on the populist movement for nine years.
I was on your show five years ago making a film about Sarah Palin.
We were trying to drive this populist movement.
You know, Donald Trump came along at a time that this populist movement was starting to get going, and he really took it 10 years into the future.
I mean, he was a guy that got it right away, that had this populist tendencies, understood economic nationalism, and cut through the Bush apparatus, cut through the entire Republican field, and then took on the Clintons.
And if Bernie had had the type of fight and fearlessness that Trump had, he would have won the Democratic primary, and then we would have had left-wing populism and right-wing populism fight it out in 2016.
bill maher
But you're a guy who is, again, the thing I've been saying that people were criticizing me for, using the word treason, and now I hear it more.
But you said the same thing.
You said the Trump Tower meeting was treason.
steve bannon
I said for Paul Manafort.
I corrected myself for whatever the book had.
No, no, no.
Look, people, other people in the Republican Party disagree with me.
I don't think that meeting was appropriate.
I don't think you reach out to foreign sources.
bill maher
Appropriate is quite a bit less than treason.
steve bannon
All you needed was Clinton Cash.
We had done all the research.
We printed the book and done the film.
But to show that Clinton's corruption, all you need to do is go into Clinton Cash, the foundation.
bill maher
But when you see these people with those t-shirts that say, I'd rather be with Russia than a Democrat, what do you think about that?
steve bannon
Here's what I think.
bill maher
That can't be a positive vote for our country.
People would rather side with another country than America.
And it can't be a positive development when our own president attacks our own FBI, can it?
steve bannon
Look, on the first thing is that the country's divided.
I mean, the country's been divided before.
You're not going to hug this one out.
bill maher
Divided?
I never remember Lincoln going after the FBI.
I know, there was no FBI.
steve bannon
Lincoln went after some guys to win?
No, I think what the president, you know, has said and what these people are saying is that, you know, we're very divided now.
And it's not appropriate to say I'd rather be with Russia than Democrats, but I think it shows you the vitriol.
This film I just made, Trump at War, I start with five minutes with Don Lemon kind of lecturing Trump supporters, why Trump's not the racist, why they're the racist, okay?
And we intercut, we intercut, by the way, because it's up in people's grills, we intercut it with Antifa.
Kicking the shit out of guys in red ball caps.
bill maher
Oh, Steve.
I know you can put that idea in people's heads, but just between me and you, you don't believe it.
I know you don't.
I don't think you really think they're the racists and not your people.
You don't think some of populism isn't some of that really?
Isn't that racism masquerading?
steve bannon
Look in Italy right now.
You got the five-star movement.
You got the League.
The five-star movement is so green that it's like a bullet train, okay?
They're the populist movement, and they're even saying,
hey, we got to stop the migrant issue because they're the ones
who want to give a guaranteed income.
I don't—populism— populism is not based on racism, right?
It's based on the little guy, the little guy having a voice.
So you were always saying, should have a voice.
Yes.
You're actually a populist.
bill maher
Okay.
Come back and let's talk just about that issue, because I want to get into that with you.
And I know for both sort of students of history, and, you know, you're good to come here, but history, not going to be kind, Steve.
Thank you.
We'll see, though, huh?
unidentified
All right.
bill maher
I'll see you later.
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