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Aug. 24, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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BANNON SATURDAYS: Bannon's Full Interview with Vaughn Hillyard of NBC aired on July 1, 2024
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you monday
Monday, you are slated to head to prison here.
For you, what does going to prison mean for you, but also the MAGA movement?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I think for me, it's just like, you know, that in the, uh, I've got a picture right there, my Navy ship in the twenties, I spent my time on a Navy destroyer in the North Arabian sea, Persian Gulf with Western Pacific in my seventies.
I'll spend it a part of it in a federal prison.
Right.
And it's just the same.
I'm still defending my country.
I'm still defending the constitutional Republic.
I took an oath to back in my early twenties.
So it doesn't phase me at all.
It's just, it's a part of the process where clearly at a political war in this country, And our enemies have weaponized the Justice Department across the board, whether it's bankruptcies or, you know, getting people thrown out of the bar or deplatform them, or in President Trump, in my case, and Pierre Navarro and a couple others, to actually send them to prison.
So it doesn't faze me at all.
The show and War Room will be even more powerful when we're there.
So I think for the MAGA movement, it's a wake-up call.
unidentified
What does your show look like the next four months before the election?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We're going to have a host.
We're going to have like 20 co-hosts.
It'll be bigger.
Look, our phrase is next man up, right?
You can't depend upon Trump to always be there.
You can't.
Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon.
This is a populist movement and people have to step up.
The reason the show has been so, not just popular, but powerful today.
So people have to step up.
So the show will be even bigger, even better.
I'll be able to, you know, with my First Amendment rights, you can't run a business from prison and that's obvious, but I'll be able to, like Peter was, talk to people on the outside, do interviews, make sure that my team is going along the right path as far as the media goes and as far as what's happening.
It's obviously after Thursday night going to be dramatically different than what everybody envisions.
So I think for the MAGA movement, If my going to prison is what it took to wake up Congress to really, hey, what's going on here, and to have the Speaker of the House on the blag to vote 3-2 to rescind the J6 committee, and it looks like taking action, including the inherent contempt proposal that may be brought up on Monday, to actually go on offense to defend the American people against an out-of-control Justice Department, then my going to prison is well worth it.
So it doesn't affect me at all.
unidentified
Do you plan to make calls out of prison to contribute to the show?
No, you can't.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I don't think you can make calls out of the show.
I want no mail, except my papers, but no mail from the audience.
I tell people, no mail.
I'm not going to read your letters.
No visits.
I work 18 to 20 hours a day right now in a pretty monkish existence focused on just Growing the MAGA movement and victory for our cause and our movement and for President Trump.
And so I'll work, I'll have a prison job and I'll have things I have to do, just like on a Navy ship, I had things to do.
So part of my day will be doing what I have to do in prison to make sure I meet the rules and regulations.
And the other time I'll be 100% working to make sure President Trump's reelected.
Look, Merrick Garland's in Biden White House The timing of this, you know, it's no coincidence.
The timing of this, the federal appeals court that we gave and we argued in front in November.
Pretty straightforward argument.
They took seven or eight months to come back, right?
They could have returned this in 30 days.
They could have returned it in 60 days.
They waited.
This thing was totally set up at the entirety to make sure that I was off air, right, personally, and not there to really talk to President Trump in the run-up to the election.
But here's what they don't understand.
We only get stronger with this.
We're not going to get weaker.
We're a populist movement.
In this MAGA and particularly the War Room, we took down a sitting Speaker of the House for the first time in history.
We took down Mitch McConnell and made him break his pick on the Ukraine vote, which he stepped aside.
And then we took down the entire leadership of the RNC within 100 days earlier this year.
So this show is like a military command center.
We have an Army of the Awakened.
We're going to raise 100 or 200,000 people, not dollars, people to be all over the 2024 election, and it's not going to stop us one way.
They're only going to make us stronger and more determined.
unidentified
If you had just complied with the January 6th Select Committee subpoena and testified and provided documents to them, you would not be going to prison right now.
Why not just comply?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Everybody else besides you and Peter Navarro, though, went.
Some even pled the fifth.
Trump exerted executive privilege said you've got to follow the president and I
followed my counsel and that's one of the big arguments that's working.
unidentified
Everybody else besides you and Peter Navarro though, went.
Some even pled the fifth. Why not just plead the fifth?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Because first off, so my counsel told me hey since the president
exerted executive privilege you just stand down.
But number two is also, and this is what's happened the last day, it was not a legitimately conceived committee.
unidentified
Republicans could have had members on that committee if they so decided.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on, Vaughn.
We had two members.
Remember, every other committee, and this is why it gets back to what's happening today in the polling.
The reason Watergate galvanized the nation, the reason Iran-Contra galvanized the nation, they were set up that you have a ranking member and you have minority counsel.
And that minority counsel gets all the evidence and can cross-examine witnesses.
This is why Watergate was so galvanizing.
This is why Iran-Contra is so galvanizing.
Nancy Pelosi set up a whole new system.
Jim Banks and Jim Jordan were supposed to be there, and they're going to have a minority council, and she says no, because they were insurrectionists, and the reason she deemed them insurrectionists, they were prepared to argue, just argue in the House of Representatives on January 6th, that they couldn't certify the Biden electorate.
She deemed that those two guys are insurrectionists, they couldn't be on it, and no minority council.
Kevin McCarthy said no way, and they picked Cheney and Kinzinger, who have been turfed out of the Republican Party since then.
And this is why I think about it.
And they had an ABC TV producer come in and do it.
So you had crazy talk by Cassie Hutchison and all these people.
He's choking people.
No cross examination and no evidence.
The American people got bored.
And how do I know they got bored?
The evidence shows me that.
On the day before, on the eve of the Biden fiasco debate, the Washington Post put out a poll that said about, ask the American people in swing states, who do you think defends, who do you trust to defend democracy more?
Donald Trump or Joe Biden.
This is the centerpiece of the Biden's campaign.
Every night on MSNBC, I just get democracy, democracy, democracy.
People view Trump as a better guardian of democracy, including swing state independent voters by 13%.
It means that Nancy Pelosi's thing had no resonance.
And the reason it had no resonance, there was no tension, no drama in it.
unidentified
There's not that tension you get... There was a lot that was revealed from the January 6th Select Committee's effort.
And I don't think that you or anybody would dispute that it was necessary to investigate what led to the attack there that day.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on, Vaughn...
unidentified
that could have been voted on.
Republicans did not agree to that.
And ultimately, the January 6th Select Committee, they did subpoena you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It was an international committee.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
I've been the first person in the loudest voice that we should adjudicate January 6th.
When we say adjudicate January 6th, I want to adjudicate January 6th.
unidentified
You've said that all those 1,400 individuals who were convicted should be free.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Should be free.
There may be a couple of three on the violence side that should be determined, but by and large, they should be free and they should be freed the first day.
But hang on, hang on for a second.
unidentified
If they allowed you to defy a congressional subpoena, It's an illegitimate subpoena.
It's a fair. It was a congressional. Okay, Vaughn, hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
A Jerry family guilty.
Remember, my judge said at the trial, I couldn't put on a defense.
A jury found me guilty when I wasn't able to put on defense of a vice or counsel.
I wasn't able to put on defense.
The judge, Judge Nichols, actually asked my attorney.
My attorney goes, in the pre-trial, he says, well, hang on, you've taken away all of Bannon's defenses.
Why are we even having a trial?
And Nichols goes, I'm asking you that.
Why are we having a trial?
Because all my defenses were limited.
This is the basis of my appeal.
But hang on for a second.
We need to adjudicate January 6th.
I am the biggest advocate of having, not Loudermilk, but the Speaker of the House do that today.
And if it's not done today, it's got to be done in January 2025.
We must get to the bottom.
And the Democrats should have a ranking member, and the Democrats should have minority counsel.
That's Dan Goleman.
Put your best lawyers on it.
We have to get all the evidence out about There's not a single individual who is a federal agent who has been convicted or even accused of having an attack.
Not a single one.
I don't know who this is.
But by the way, Chris Wright, Chris Wright will never answer that question.
unidentified
That question is never answered by Chris Wright.
Hang on for a second.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
People are talking about federal agents all over the place.
Let's just get, and by the way, people randomly looking at videos.
I want, you guys are all in for process.
I'm in for process.
I have advocated to have a rebooted January 6th committee.
There will be no question of whether, the Democrats get a ranking member and the Democrats get a minority council.
The Democrats get to see all the evidence and the Democrats get to cross-examine witnesses.
It's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of it, and people should understand, we're going to get to the bottom of it.
We're going to find out exactly what happened on J6, Nancy Pelosi's role in it, why the National Guard was not called up.
Chris Miller, in his book, who is Acting Secretary of Defense, talks about a meeting in the Pentagon, talks about a meeting in the Oval Office, where he proposed to Trump, and Trump said, yeah, I want 10,000 guys here.
They had footage the other day, and maybe it wasn't perfect footage about Nancy Pelosi, but you've never gotten to the bottom of the question about the National Guard.
We must adjudicate fully January 6th.
I want to adjudicate 2020.
unidentified
I want to look forward to 2024 and what comes and where we go, but on the January 6th front.
I was going to get this at the end, but I want to get at this now.
By not going before the January 6th election.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
There was a lot of questions that you did not answer.
A week before the election, you said he's going to sit right there and say that he's, that you said on a week before the election, you said he's going to sit right there and say they stole it there.
Why should folks even trust it?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on for a second.
unidentified
The fact that Donald Trump says that now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on for a second.
Hang on for a second.
Because I know this is MSNBC and I know you'll give me full vetting.
What the context that's very important.
A guy, I'm gonna throw out a random name, that maybe comes on MSNBC a couple of times, Mark Elias.
Mark Elias put out a document called the Transition Integrity Project.
And he put that out in July of 2020.
And what Mark Elias said is that, hey, as we go through this, the mail-in ballots are gonna be critical.
And so on election night at 11 o'clock, when Donald Trump's winning by a landslide, Do not panic.
Just, and we don't want people coming in rioting, we don't want people there, just stick with the program.
When all the ballots are counted, all the ballots, didn't say legitimate votes, certifiable votes, when everything is counted, I think Joe Biden will be named the winner in 10 days, basically the Saturday after.
This is Mark Elias.
That was taken from, I went around the country with Raheem Kassam and Bill McGinley's Now at the RSC.
We started in New York and because of COVID, a lot of it had to be by Zoom, and that's taken from a Zoom call.
I went around to tell Republicans, Hey, wake up.
They are telling you exactly how they're going to steal this.
They're telling you it's coming through the mail-in ballots, and particularly places like Pennsylvania and others where they're saying... And so, not only did I tell the campaign I was adamant about, and I never really made contact with President Trump, but saying publicly everywhere, including on War Room, at 11 o'clock at night, When he's up overwhelmingly, he has no official capacity.
The Associated Press hasn't called.
It hasn't been certified.
But he should step up there and say, hey, quite frankly, I won this.
Watch these mail-in ballots.
unidentified
No, no, no, stop!
No, no, I was, no, no, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The mail-in ballot process, the mail-in ballot process, the mail-in ballot process, first of all, the president can stand up at any time and say, hey, looking at this right now, I'm saying I won.
unidentified
Just this month, in Detroit, up on a stage, you said that there is no chance that the Democrats are going to win this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No chance.
And if they declare that they do, then it was stolen.
They're stealing it.
unidentified
100%.
But you know that elections in the United States are close.
You know that there is a very reasonable chance that the Democrats win the White House again.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hold on, hold on.
Vaughn Hilliard, Vaughn Hilliard.
Because Vaughn Hilliard, I knew the Thursday night was going to happen.
How can you sit there, unrelated to the facts?
I sat there because we know and we follow every day that Joe Biden is feeble.
That Joe Biden is feeble and MSNBC stopped.
Are you kidding me?
Have you seen the polls?
Have you seen the New York Times?
Have you seen MSN?
Tell that to MSN.
That is not evidence to vote abroad.
unidentified
That is not evidence.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I didn't say that.
No, no, no.
I sat there and said there is no chance the Democrats can win this.
And then a couple of days later, Joe Biden Who's been protected by the New York Times, protected by MSNBC, comes up and humiliates the nation.
And now 69%, if I believe the poll came today, think that he should remove himself from the ballot.
Why am not?
I sat there at the time and said, there is no chance that Joe Biden and the Democrats can win this.
And at the time, the polling for Trump was very strong in, in, in, in battleground states and cross tab demographics.
And so then on Thursday night in front of the whole world, That was revealed.
You should be saying, Steve, how were you so pressing about this?
Because I'm telling you, brother, on your channel, which We watch MSC, as you know here, so we're sitting here watching.
When they came back, it was like sitting Shiva.
It was like a Christian wake.
Rachel Maddow and the entire team is gobsmacked about what happened.
I know what the point is, exactly.
The point is that that's why I said that in Detroit, that it is zero chance that Democrats can win this.
unidentified
It's not zero chance.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's zero chance.
unidentified
Voters don't vote.
They're not zero chance.
Let me repeat this.
The election process in the United States, there's repercussions.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Donald Trump won that election.
Hold it, the election process in this country, Trump, let me make sure MSNBC and my man Von Heurig understands
unidentified
this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The 2020 election was stolen.
Donald Trump won that election.
unidentified
If you guys had such evidence, though, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We never got, hang on, we never got, Vaughn, Vaughn, we never got standing.
There was never an evidentiary hearing whatsoever in all those 60 or 70.
And you know, this 60 or 70 cases that went to court, not one evidentiary hearing.
Let me repeat this for the MSNBC.
And here's the thing.
For having the entire media apparatus against us, right?
Having the House, the Senate, the presidency, all the media apparatus, NBC News, ABC, CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post.
How is it, how is it Fox News never did this, Newsmax, how is it that this little show out of this, out of this kind of gonzo situation, Now has almost 50% of the American people that think that Joe Biden is illegitimate, including I think 70% of Republicans.
The reason is over time, people have seen as what's come out and they have huge questions on 2020.
Back to Mark Elias's, back to Mark Elias's, the transition integrity project.
So let me repeat this.
The Democrats have no ability to win this unless they cheat.
unidentified
So this month, you said this.
Quote, if they steal this election and they fully intend to steal it, this republic ends.
Are you prepared to fight?
Are you prepared to give it all?
Are you prepared to leave it all on the battlefield?
Ladies and gentlemen, it's very simple.
Victory or death, they can't win this election.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Those were your words to a crowd.
unidentified
What is your endgame?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Victory or death of this republic.
If we don't win, first of all, they shred the constitution.
It is the death of the constitutional American republic we know, and now it'll be more of an imperial project that will go forward.
And that is why we're not going to lose.
What is your endgame?
unidentified
Are you concerned about violence ahead in this country in November?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Not at all.
Dude, we're winning.
Why am I concerned about violence?
We're winning everywhere.
unidentified
Victory or death.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Victory or death of the Republic.
Victory or death is a famous saying from Scipio Africanus, Lord Nelson, Colonel Travis at the Alamo.
It is something to jack people up.
And yes, I'm in the business of jacking people up.
unidentified
You told our friend Isaac Arnstor from the Washington Post, quote, We have to rebuild the institutions.
That is not my job.
We're not going to be rebuilding any time in the foreseeable future.
We're going to be taking things apart.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You just saw the Supreme Court just ruled our long project.
And by the way, I want to compliment Chris Hayes, who had the best comment.
He said yesterday when When they had the Chevron deference overruled, you know, six to three, that at the same time they didn't, they gave a thumbs down on the stay of my thing.
And he said, the Supreme Court said, Hey, Steve, thanks for all your previous work on the, on the administrative state.
We got it from here.
And it's actually a brilliant statement.
unidentified
What should the American public expect when we say taking things apart, bringing down the administrative state?
In actual detail terms, what does that actually look like in 2025?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The administrative state, we're going to have, I think, a three-pronged attack, okay?
One, you have what we call Project 2025, or many others.
CRA has one, American First Legal.
So there's five or six institutions that have been built up over the last couple of years that are more MAGA than they are traditional Republican.
And one of the things all of these are converging on, in part of the executive part, is this concept that we've had a leviathan that has grown up, that's post-constitutional.
It is never in the, the framers never considered it, and what it's, it's not just the alphabet agencies, but how the cabinet Officials have now taken on much bigger purview remember
The authorization process that's supposed to be authorized every five years, like you do on annual defense authorization, hasn't been done in decades in some for the FBI and DOJ.
So they've taken on and metastasized with the alphabet agencies.
They have this massive federal bureaucracy that nobody intended.
It's one of the people talk about limited government.
People talk about cutting spending.
You can't do that till you actually get to the Leviathan, the administrative state.
And so a three prong approach, one of those parts is The federal courts and what takes on, and particularly the Supreme Court.
And remember when we defeated Hillary Clinton and her selection for the Supreme Court was, I'm going to throw out a random name, Merrick Garland, right?
He was replaced when Trump won by a random name, Neil Gorsuch.
And Neil Gorsuch is the theoretician of the deconstruction of the administrative state from a legal and judiciary point of view.
That's why yesterday was so, so what people should see is that The federal government is going to shrink.
And how is it going to shrink?
Not on a percentage basis and not by firing individual bureaucrats.
It's going to do less things.
It's going to actually get out of being involved in every aspect of people's business.
You're going to get a government that kind of comes back and we can aff run $2 trillion deficits e you have to do it is by s government.
Now we're not not sitting to say you sh right?
Like the Grover Nor said for years, you just in the bottom of a tubby We believe the government's got to be about got to be shrunken pretty dramatically.
And that's where you have these projects from the executive branch.
And President Trump will appoint some of these people.
He's going to pick his own people with some of these people.
You're going to have legislatively, you're going to have Congress come in and start in the appropriations process or start to take programs down programmatically.
And you're going to have the you're going to have a three-pronged attack in the in the in the courts.
And so we are going to take on the Leviathan.
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unidentified
can afford. How much grea to the executive? Well, i
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
it's quite interesting.
Power is actually taken away from the executive.
One of the things I think MSNBC gets wrong, because you guys are the ones that follow us most closely, is look at we're the ones that fought the warrantless from the Justice Department to make sure that you can't wiretap, you can't look at people.
We adamantly fought that.
The progressives and liberals wanted it because I guess they want more government control.
We totally fought that.
The deconstruction of the administrative state, what happened yesterday on the Chevron deference, actually takes power away from the executive branch.
So you could argue, well, hey, the MAGA guys, if they're so for Trump fascism and for Trump ultimate power in the imperial presidency, why did they just do this?
Because President Trump will be president for a while, but then there'll be other presidents.
This is the way to permanently start to take down the Leviathan.
I find it ironic that it's the MAGA movement that has been at the forefront of the deconstruction of the administrative state but also taking away powers of basically surveillance of the American people, including the folks over at MSNBC.
We don't want wireless searches.
We don't want warrantless searches of folks.
So we are actually more on the sides of what we consider civil liberties.
unidentified
We've got about 10 minutes here.
So we're going to hash through a couple other quick things here.
So we're going to be jumping around.
Going back to the January 6th committee, part of you not testifying was the fact that you made phone calls to Donald Trump, then the president, on January 5th.
Two phone calls.
I think people already talked about that.
You said that day... Don't give the short quotes.
Good God, man.
Okay, stop.
I'll tell you this.
It's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen.
It's going to be quite extraordinarily different.
All I can say is strap in.
What did you talk...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, no, hang on, hang on.
That had nothing to do with it.
Go back and please have your producers do the research.
That was the Green Bay Sweep, where I talked about everything.
We were on the eve, and let me go back to the first one.
Hang on.
unidentified
You're talking about Mike Pence, Vice President Pence?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
What we're trying to do, what I have worked on, and what the show said for over 30 days was a contingent election.
Not being able to certify, not having Trump electors.
If you notice, I never mention in this Trump elector thing because I told people the state legislatures will never flip to Trump electors.
It's impossible.
They'll burn down the state.
But you can get to a point.
Legally and logically that they can't certify the Biden electors.
And if you get below 270, we kick it to the House.
The rules say we kick to the House for a contingent election.
In the contingent election, we win.
All we have to do is get to the House.
That's the end game.
Get to the House for a contingent election.
How do you get there?
The first step is obviously some of the states will send letters in.
We want them rescinded, but Those, those, it's going to take you two days.
The arguments and debates in front of the world to show you exactly what the evidence is that you don't have to go to court, show you what the evidence is, is going to switch people.
They're going to sit there and go, you know what?
Let's send it back to, let's send it back to Pennsylvania.
Let's send it back to Arizona.
Let's send it back to Wisconsin.
They can't ascertain and certify the Biden electors.
That was the whole point on the show.
And that's why I said- In the contingent election, Donald Trump.
unidentified
And Donald Trump would have been the president on January 20th.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You were seeking to have Donald Trump be the president of the United States on January 20th, sworn in on inauguration day.
Vaughn, what don't you get here?
He won on 2020.
What I'm trying to do is use the- I'm trying- I'm trying- Hang on, hang on, hang on.
I'm trying- I'm trying to use- I'm trying to use the rules of the game as it's set up.
The electoral calendar- No.
unidentified
You were not talking to him about the contingent a lot.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You were not talking about the contingent a lot.
I just told you I'm under executive privilege.
Let's go back to this.
The rules of the game is set up, and Jamie Raskin understands this.
You're not willing to say what you talked to President Trump about.
I'm going to the Supreme Court about executive privilege.
I don't think I can break that executive privilege and talk about it.
Hang on, hang on.
unidentified
You should have the opportunity and you're not.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I don't have the opportunity.
The violence hurt us.
Why do you think I want to adjudicate about what the federal government's role in this is?
The violence killed the whole thing.
We only got to the first part of Arizona and then it stopped.
We had, let me repeat, two hours per state.
There were seven states that came back and said, we would like you to review this, the certification.
That is two hours per state, per chamber.
I have 28 hours on global TV to put forward the receipts, the receipts that you people refuse to review, put up by federal officials called congressmen and senators in front of the world, and then to get to say, guess what?
We can't actually certify this.
Where were you on January 6th?
we got to go to contingent election. It's Jamie Rastan said, Hey, I don't think Bannon calculated
that Liz Cheney, the one person for Wyoming. So we win 25, 26, 24. That's my whole problem.
unidentified
I talked, I talked to hang on. Where were you on January 6th?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Oh, January 6th. I was right here. January 5th. I was right here.
unidentified
Were you at the Willow Hotel?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I was at the Willow Hotel for that weekend. That was, that's an open thing. People have talked
about it. I was at the Rudy and people, we had a war room there, they had lawyers, they had media people, they had everything like that.
unidentified
I think part of, Steve, I think there is a MAGA movement, a populist movement in this country.
Right.
We talk about Project 2025.
We talk about the deconstruction of the administrative state.
These are all based in substantive policy and the future of the United States of America.
I think where a lot of folks It's not a contingent election.
Have you lost your mind?
Ask Jimmy Raskin.
It's the way the system was set up.
We were playing by the rules of the system.
through to talk about the contingent election that places Donald Trump into power.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's not a contingent, it's by, what are you talking, have you lost your mind?
Ask Jimmy Raskin.
It's the way the system was set up.
We were playing by the rules of the system.
The contingent election, the contingent election was set in by the electoral
count of 18 or seven, so we never have to hang on, hang on, but hang on.
You talk about democracy.
Why is that poll, why did the poll and the people say that Trump's democracy?
MAGA is a small democracy project.
You're right now on your network and the New York Times had an editorial.
Biden's got to step down.
You have taken away the vote in the primary of all the primary voters of the Democratic Party.
Now, the New York Times and part of MSC has determined that Joe Biden can't beat Donald Trump, therefore he must be removed.
unidentified
We are winning on policy.
We are winning on policy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Vaughn, we won in 2020 and we're winning bigger.
We are winning on policy.
unidentified
You guys won on policy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You guys could win in 2024.
unidentified
You guys could win in 2024.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We are winning on policy.
unidentified
But you guys have sowed, and your show included, have sowed distrust in the institutions of
the United States.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Vaughn.
Does that give you any point?
Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, we have, Vaughn, we have, MSNBC has beaten the January 6th horse
to death and that's why it's not resonating with the people.
unidentified
But people are still talking to me, Steve.
You know I talk to people and they talk about violence.
Hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
They're ready to lock and load.
unidentified
Hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
The people, the people, the people, the people, the people that are concerned are people on your side of the football on MSNBC.
And you should be concerned in that we are going to win.
And you're going to see, and you saw yesterday, MSNBC had the most concern about having a stable democracy.
unidentified
And the folks that I talk to, there's a great number of folks that are foreshadowing violence, saying that they are ready to lock and load and use violence.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You're not talking to our people because we're winning.
unidentified
Yes.
If Donald Trump loses in November, they tell me they're ready for violence.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No.
You will have to, you will have to.
Well, I have not heard anything even close to that because we proved it's a precinct strategy.
unidentified
But you don't want violence.
You do not want that to happen to the United States of America.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Vaughn, we took down a speaker.
It's an insulting even to bring up the question.
We have, we have, we have taken down a speaker.
We have taken down a sitting, a majority leader, the most powerful minority leader, most powerful guy.
We've taken down the RNC.
Now, hang on.
We, we, we, no, no, no, not me.
Not me.
We, the MAGA movement is winning everywhere, including the, in the, in the battleground states and the polls.
This is why Trump's up.
This is why they're removing Biden.
Uh, Our movement is not just peaceful.
We are uber peaceful.
Why, at the same time, the weaponized Justice Department is trying to put people in prison?
unidentified
Why not hold those that did attack the Capitol on January 6th accountable and have them serve their due time?
You talk about justice all the time.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Why not have them serve their due time?
Did I?
You must not watch MSNBC last night because if you hang on, if you had watched it, hang on, if you had watched it, if you had watched it, it wasn't just the Chevron deference.
The other bigger case was Fisher being overturned.
Even Judge- There were 52 individuals out of the more than a thousand that had that- No, no, but a sole charge, but others have been added for- If one person in this country, if one citizen of this country goes to a federal prison because Andrew Weissman and MSNBC worked with the Justice Department to take something that was thrown out, 6-3, and Judge Brown Jackson, Judge Brown, hang on.
Well you should know it should have come, it should have not, it should have never come in the first place.
It's outrageous.
Are they out of prison today, sir?
unidentified
Are they walking out of prison today?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
By the way, another over 100 has it as an additional charge to get along.
unidentified
Hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, I'm not going to let you off the hook.
Vaughn, you're not going to get off the hook on this, brother.
You give all the happy talk about some theoretical.
unidentified
I'm talking practical.
You talk about justice, you talk about peaceful transfer of power.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I don't disagree with you.
At that point in time, the way that the courts interpreted the law, that is where it was.
If only 52 guys, if one American citizen, Vaughn is in, you do disagree.
Are you, did I see Vaughn here?
You're down outside the DC Gulag sitting there going, where are the 52?
Put as much energy, put as much energy, put as much energy.
unidentified
The court interpreted the law.
That is where it was.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The Supreme Court didn't work.
It was, this was gun deck.
This is going to cause you talk about adjudication.
This is going to cause a massive investigation.
This is going to cause a massive investigation of Merrick Garland, Weissman, MSNBC, the collusion and collaboration that went on.
And it's going to cause a massive investigation of the federal judiciary in Washington, DC that went along with this.
How did this happen?
When, when judge Brown Jackson, when judge Brown Jackson writes her independent opinion, but with With the majority at six to three, that's when questions should start being answered.
This is an outrage to the American people.
It's an outrage to civil liberties in this country.
unidentified
You guys have turned... If there is a President Trump in 2025 and you say that individuals should be prosecuted from officials currently in the Department of Justice today?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No.
unidentified
No I believe... Is this just separate from policy?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, it is policy.
It is 100% policy.
How did we get to this point?
How did this get weaponized?
How did Trump get 700 years potentially in prison?
How did all this happen?
How did Matthew Colangelo... Here's what's gonna happen.
Both in an empowered House, with a Judiciary Committee that's very focused, number one, in the House, by, under the Constitution, and the rules of law, and about evidence, you're going to see, and I believe, in the Executive Branch, they're going to also start investigations by DOJ into what happened here.
We're going to get to the bottom of the weaponization, and I realize that people are upset.
Andrew McCabe's all upset about what went on.
unidentified
You make falsehoods, though, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's not falsehoods.
unidentified
You said about the FBI's search warrant execution of Mar-a-Lago.
You said, quote, this was an attempted assassination attempt.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I did, potential, 100%.
unidentified
And that the use of deadly force was authorized by the director of FBI in America.
You said this was an attempted assassination.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I said, it was.
unidentified
That was a statement of fact that you made to millions of Americans.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It is a statement of fact.
It is a statement of fact.
unidentified
And that is not a statement of fact.
It is a statement of fact.
There is no evidence that they were going to go through a standard procedure.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It was not.
Hold it.
It's not.
Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, don't give me.
Are you not concerned that you are violating the law?
Vaughn, don't give me the nonsense that you guys spew every day.
First off, it's not, there is no standard procedure when you're going down for a bunch of documents to the winter White House of a guy who's been president.
So don't give me the standard procedure.
And if you look at it, why did it have, not just about being armed, why did it have the combat medic hangout?
unidentified
Do you know that they were not going to attempt to assassinate Donald Trump?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I have no earthy idea.
They had the possibility... Listen, why do you have a combat medic?
Why was there a triage program?
Why was there a trauma center that they set up?
Why was all that set up?
That has to be investigated, and it will be investigated.
The vast conspiracy... Why did Matthew Klein... When Merrick Garland sat there and perjured himself, In front of the House Judiciary Committee, Oversight Committee a week ago, when they asked him a point-blank question, say, walk me through how the number three guy in the Justice Department, right, just on a week after Trump announced that he was going to run for president again, how does he second himself up to be a side man to Alvin Bragg in New York City?
When is the last time a guy's gone from a senior level main justice to a local DA's office?
unidentified
Answer that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And he says, I have no idea what you're talking about.
That is a bald faced lie.
And that will be proven to be a bald faced lie.
You people that have gone after and had this and had this lawfare against, you know, it's people at school boards and Catholics playing the rosary.
unidentified
You people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I mean that MSNBC is a collaborationist propaganda mechanism.
unidentified
Are you saying that our news network should be investigated?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I think your news network will be investigated.
No, I think that first it's going to be investigated by the House Judiciary Committee and the House Oversight Committee.
unidentified
The House Judiciary Committee should investigate these organizations?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, what they should do... Hang on, when you have Andrew Weissman...
I'm not talking about Andrew Weiss.
I'm not talking about his organization.
I'm sorry, is he not a pay contributor?
No, he doesn't appear on the show.
He's a pay contributor to MSNBC.
Don't give me a peer.
He doesn't randomly show up on the show.
He's one of the most significant pay contributors to MSNBC and he's up here every day on every show doing a sponsor.
Don't play the dumb.
This is embarrassing for you.
If you're going to bring it, bring it.
But don't sit there and go, oh, he's a guy who appears on the show.
It's not true.
He's the central legal theoretician over at MSNBC that every day you pound this.
Well, guess what?
That's going to be investigated.
unidentified
What is investigated about?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The collaboration.
unidentified
The Fisher, you know, it shouldn't be.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's not random, Vaughn, that the Fisher overturned because it's been violated.
I don't know what you're talking about.
the the the the law that put these guys in prison they should be released immediately.
unidentified
But I don't know what they took. They took the Enron. They took somebody,
a former department of justice who was on who was on who was on Enron.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But I don't know.
And that's all I have.
unidentified
What what what law?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We'll have to find out.
That's what an investigation is about.
The lack of due process.
unidentified
You're suggesting that in 2025, news organizations should be investigated for a law that you
can't even define.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's my news.
By the way, by the way, am I, am I not, am I, am I, am I not, am I not?
You're putting me in jail on the run up to, I'm going to prison on an illegitimate committee,
right?
And you're saying that you're saying right now that you're saying that law firm is not
working in this country when they're trying to liquidate Alex Jones.
They're putting, uh, they're putting a gateway pundit into bankruptcy.
Epic times just got hit with a, with a DOJ that Steve Bannon's going to prison.
Are you kidding me?
unidentified
Those are the biggest talks with the Trump campaign to rejoin them here in 2024.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, absolutely not.
War Room, I'm 10 times more powerful and more needed in War Room.
We're the kind of augmented media arm of the MAGA movement.
I did the campaign one time.
There were discussions in 2020 about bringing me back on by some of the senior donors who thought things were a little off track.
But now, War Room is much too important to the MAGA movement and particularly President Trump and his campaign.
unidentified
How does Trump win in 2024?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's simple, just keep doing what he's doing.
unidentified
Is it the independents that need to switch over?
No, no.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
All the people who made the decision, it's getting out the vote.
Just get the message, the same messaging you've got, and right now it's three verticals, right?
It's seal the border, start the mass deportations, stop the illegal alien invasion, number one.
It's to get your hands on the financial Madness is going on.
Because remember, in the first couple of days of his second term, you'll have the reversion of the tax cuts, we'll hit the debt ceiling, and we'll still have, as you know, on Capitol Hill, they won't do a, they'll do a CR.
So we'll have the federal budget for next year to deal with all three of those together.
So it's to get that organized.
And the last is, and probably the most important up front is to end the forever wars.
And so those are the three pro-action.
And by the way, there's plenty of time in the day left over.
To have people work every day to deconstruct the administrative state and also in his Justice Department to do what they should do to start investigations of how the Justice Department weaponized the legal system against the MAGA movement and President Trump and his followers.
There's going to be plenty of time for that and I understand it upsets people at MSNBC when I say this.
This is going to happen.
And I'm a betting man, and I believe Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, and senior members of the Justice Department will be in prison for many, many years.
unidentified
Last question.
We've only got one more question left.
I'd like to follow up on that.
What does the MAGA movement look like after Donald Trump, five, ten years from now?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I think the MAGA movement, I think you see it right now, and one thing, on the spectrum of MAGA, I believe that President Trump, who's a very kind-hearted guy and a big-hearted guy, I would say President Trump is a moderate in our movement, and I think the MAGA movement is shifting day by day farther right.
Donald Trump is a moderate.
Oh, definitely, President Trump's a moderate.
I don't think there's any doubt about it.
unidentified
Where does it go ten years from now?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I think it's looking even shorter term than that.
I think in President Trump's second term, particularly on policies against the Chinese Communist Party, on economic nationalism, on the forever wars, particularly on the deportations, you will have a large center of gravity that's much farther to the right than President Trump on what the solutions will be.
You'll have President Trump, and President Trump will try to unite the American people, and we'll understand that.
Our policies, I think, are much tougher, much harder about the sovereignty of this nation, and particularly working class people about bringing jobs back and breaking Wall Street breaking big tech because right now we're not capitalism.
Right now we're a capitalist, a late stage capitalist society with very few capitalists.
90% of the American people or 80% have no stake in the game.
They have no real financial or real assets.
That's got to change.
And so more economic populism, more economic nationalism, I think is all to come.
I strongly believe that in 10 years we will have attracted The what I call American first Democrats like Fetterman.
If you look at Sherrod Brown, you look at Fetterman, we disagree on huge amounts of policy, particularly on cultural and social policy.
But if you look at the underlying economics, like the U.S.
steel takeover and some of the things Sherrod Brown, unfortunately, he won't be in the Senate much longer.
But if you look at the Fettermans and the Sherrod Browns, when they talk about economic policy, I think that they're much closer to the farther right wing populist economic nationalists than we are to the Mitt Romney and the neoliberals and the Wall Street crowd and the big tech.
We are hurtling towards from late stage capitalism to techno feudalism where the vast majority including the lower middle class with the working class are cut out of the system.
That is going to be the big fight I believe going forward where Bernie Sanders talked about it.
I think you'll see a new generation of people that can reach across the guys like Federman and say, hey, we got to work.
We disagree in a lot of stuff.
Let's put that aside.
But in this basic policies of economics and particularly putting American citizens first, that that's where we go.
And I think that's the next phase of the Mago.
America first was phase one.
American citizens first is phase two.
And I think we're going to go there.
And I think there's going to be huge political fights about that.
Thanks, man.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
That should be.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
Why refuse to comply with the congressional subpoena?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Because first off, my lawyer told me when I got the letter of exerting executive privilege from the president.
But in addition, and this has happened this past week with the House overturning the legitimacy of J6, the J6 committee was not legitimately structured.
So therefore, their subpoenas don't mean anything.
I will argue this.
I'll go to prison now, but I'm still going to continue on At the appellate court on Bach, and I'm gonna go to the Supreme Court to try to push my case, not just for the technical aspect, which is one of the biggest thing about depending on advice of counsel, but for the other two issues, which is the legitimacy of J6 of how it was established with no ranking member and no minority counsel and also about executive privilege for presence.
How broad is that?
I'm prepared to finance that and underwrite it and go all the way to the Supreme Court, although it won't make any difference on my prison sentence.
And that's why it's obvious that I'm going to prison because they want to shut down War Room, they want to shut down my voice, but I'm comfortable.
If my going to prison is what it took to wake up the House leadership to say, we've got to get on top of this J6 thing, and now you're seeing some Thanks for watching.
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