Aug. 2, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| Hey, Peter K. Navarro in. | ||
| Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Band. | ||
| We got a hot show today. | ||
| We are instituting the phrase which we will use going into the November election. | ||
| The Kamala crash. | ||
| The Kamala crash. | ||
| Crash with a K. Let's see if it's catching on. | ||
| I got to tip my hat to Scott Besson for coming up to that. | ||
| Otherwise, he'll sue me for copyright infringement. | ||
| Kamala crash! | ||
| Gonna have the t-shirts out. | ||
| If you haven't been noticing, the stock market is collapsing. | ||
| The bond market. | ||
| seen yields crash and we'll be talking a lot about that. | ||
| But we're also going to have a analysis from one of my favorite people, Robert O'Brien at | ||
| the West Wing National Security Advisor on the hostage trade and see who got the best of that. | ||
| Spoiler alert, it was Putin. | ||
| Before we go any further though, I want to say that today, it's the one month anniversary of Stephen K. Bannon going in to a weaponized Joe Biden prison. | ||
| He and I have the exact jail terms. | ||
| Four months, 120 days. | ||
| But here's possibly good news for the war room posse. | ||
| Under two prison reform pieces of legislation Congress passed, the Second Chance Act and the First Step Act, Steve with a 120-day sentence should be out 42 days earlier than that, which would put him into September. | ||
| He should be allowed to go first to a halfway house and then home confinement. | ||
| And they didn't let me do that. | ||
| Which is how much they stuck it to me. | ||
| Under the law, I was entitled to be out. | ||
| In June, they kept me until July 17th, but technically, Steve should be out much earlier. | ||
| So we're going to watch that situation carefully. | ||
| I'm sure his lawyers are going to be very proactive about this, because the Bureau of Prisons will break the law if they keep him in all 120 days. | ||
| He doesn't need our prayers. | ||
| He doesn't need our thoughts. | ||
| That man is a rock, but we're going to give it to him anyway. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon, one month anniversary, and we hope to possibly see him a lot sooner than the four-month term. | ||
| Do we have Robert on? | ||
| Okay, we're going to get I'm going to give you a little backdrop here on this whole hostage thing. | ||
| In some sense, this is the power of incumbency. | ||
| First of all, I want to tell you how pissed off I am at the Wall Street Journal for its hypocrisy. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal, Paul Gigot, he's the guy who runs the editorial page. | ||
| He hates me. | ||
| When I was in the administration, he did like two lead editorials talking about a Navarro recession, which Paul never came, by the way, as a result of the Trump tariffs. | ||
| They were good for the economy, not bad. | ||
| But these SOBs at the Wall Street Journal, Editorialized and said that, good, they should put me in prison. | ||
| Why? | ||
| To show that Congress could actually have subpoena power and maintain their authority. | ||
| Memo to the Wall Street Journal, the legislative branch should never have the power to subpoena senior presidential age or the president himself. | ||
| Shame on you, Wall Street Journal, for editorializing to put me in prison, even as you're wringing your hands and clutching your pearls over your reporters stuck over in Russia. | ||
| Now, I'm the first guy to say that guy was Psychologically and probably physically tortured and had no business being in a prison in Russia. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, The Wall Street Journal did a very good job campaigning to get him back, but I haven't heard them campaign to get political prisoners here in the United States like me and Bannon and some of the J6 people out. | ||
| They're crickets. | ||
| They're crickets. | ||
| So, are we still waiting for Robert? | ||
| All right, I'm going to do this in real time. | ||
| The setup here is that the first rule in hostage negotiations is that you don't negotiate for hostages Look, it's a bad thing to do to begin with. | ||
| The second rule is if you gotta do it, you at least trade equal for equal. | ||
| But we got a situation here where the Russians, who are stuck in prisons here in Germany and other places, Really bad people. | ||
| Arms dealers, assassins, this that and the other. | ||
| I mean, these are people that needed to be off the street. | ||
| In contrast, you have the Russians scooping up innocent people and putting them in prison. | ||
| There's this thing called strategic game theory, like a repeatable game, right? | ||
| If you do this thing more than once, you have to understand the consequences of doing it once. | ||
| So here, Biden and Harris is going to try to grab the credit for this, which she had no role in it at all. | ||
| But here we have a situation where Putin has a bunch of criminals. | ||
| And stuck in the West, and then we have a bunch of people in the West has a bunch of people stuck in Putin's prisons who didn't do anything at all. | ||
| Okay, so we exchanged that, right? | ||
| So in the repeatable game that we have going on, what's going to happen next? | ||
| Every time a Russian assassin gets arrested in Germany or the United States or somewhere else, Putin's going to do what? | ||
| He's going to grab an American or a German or somebody off the street who's totally innocent, put them in a prison, sentence them to like 20 years of hard labor in some gulag, and then wait for the West to come crawling To him. | ||
| Chess match. | ||
| This isn't even chess. | ||
| It's checkers. | ||
| Checkers, mind you. | ||
| And why are we doing this? | ||
| Well, it's the incumbency Biden wanted to get. | ||
| Actually, it's interesting. | ||
| Biden was hoping to do this. | ||
| Robert O'Brien, if we could ever get him up. | ||
| Cameron, just give him a call. | ||
| See what's going on here. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| This is radio. | ||
| This is live podcast TV here. | ||
| This is what happens. | ||
| The thing is Biden was going to use this whole episode to save his ability to run for president, but it came too late and to save him. So anyway, he's going to claim credit and Kamala | ||
| is going to come in and do it. But what an awful precedent. Think of this. Think of this. It | ||
| was interesting watching Aaron Burnett last night try to try to spin around that. | ||
| This, this, this uncomfortable truth that we had traded a Wall Street Journal reporter who had done nothing for a Russian assassin who had killed people. | ||
| And she was, she was like, Yeah, but this was great diplomacy. | ||
| It's beautiful when you watch these left-wingers get tortured over the reality of what was a brutal hostage crisis. | ||
| So, at some point we'll get O'Brien on. | ||
| I'm going to morph now over to the Kamala crash. | ||
| I don't know if you've been watching The markets, but this is part of your training in the posse. | ||
| Every time I've ever come on, I've always urged you to study the stock and bond markets because they tell you what's going to be happening in the broader economy. | ||
| And we've seen a remarkable turnover globally in equities on what The Wall Street analysts are calling a softening the economy. | ||
| But suppose I told you that the real thing going on has more to do with the political cycle as it affects the economy. | ||
| Think about it this way. | ||
| We're going along for the last several months. | ||
| The stock market's doing great. | ||
| Just doing great. | ||
| What's going on there? | ||
| Biden is not doing great. | ||
| What we're seeing, essentially, is Donald Trump getting further and further ahead. | ||
| In the polls, and what does that signal to Wall Street? | ||
| That signals that we're going to have an era of low tax rates and low regulation that will be ushered in to stimulate the economy. | ||
| Remember, the Trump tax cuts are expiring And the question is whether they will be renewed under a hairish regime. | ||
| Clearly they will not. | ||
| You will see a jump in the corporate tax rate in the low 20s, well over 30%. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| That's pure Wall Street bread and butter stuff, right? | ||
| So if you're thinking about Who is more likely to help you in the stock market? | ||
| It's clearly Donald Trump. | ||
| If you raise corporate taxes, just that alone, that's a huge bite out of the bottom line. | ||
| So what happens? | ||
| Funny thing happens on the way to the bull market. | ||
| We get Joe going down, Kamala coming up, the market going down. | ||
| All right, we're going to bring Robert O'Brien in now with 60 seconds left in this segment, and I hope he can stick around for the beginning. | ||
| My brother, Robert, how are you, sir? | ||
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I'm doing well, Peter. | |
| How are you today? | ||
| Well, it's just another working day in the war room here, but we've got... Can you stick around for the break and come back in a few minutes? | ||
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For sure. | |
| Okay, so give me your 60-second read here first on this hostage thing, and then we'll dive a little deeper when we come back. | ||
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Well, it's great news that Evan and Ulsa and Vladimir and Paul Wheeler are all back. | |
| Those Americans were happy to have him home. | ||
| Russian prison is not a great place to be, as you can imagine, so glad to have him home. | ||
| Vladimir Putin gets a big win because he shows his KGB and FGR and FSB, you know, spies that he could get an assassin home. | ||
| We went out and killed a dissident in Germany in broad daylight, and he got him home, so big day for Putin. | ||
| And a big day for Wall Street, Charlie, getting their reporter home. | ||
| This was supposed to be Biden's victory, right? | ||
| 100%. | ||
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Look, Peter, this happened two weeks ago. | |
| Biden's probably still on the Democrat ticket. | ||
| So it's got to be bittersweet for Biden. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, look, we got to take a quick break. | ||
| When we come back, I want to get into the implications going forward for Putin actually grabbing more innocent victims and trading them for assassins in what we call, in game theory, the repeatable game. | ||
| So we're here. | ||
| My favorite guy in the West Wing, former National Security Advisor, the guy who saved us from John Bolton and was just absolutely stellar. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| In the war room, talking hostages, Putin, chess, checkers, Stephen K. Bannon, and Dan Barry. | ||
| We salute you. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| I am so pleased to be talking with the former National Security Advisor, one of my, actually my favorite guy in the West Wing besides the President, at the end there, Robert O'Brien. | ||
| And to set up this discussion, we've had now a hostage exchange in which We have traded a assassin who was guilty for a Wall Street Journal reporter who was innocent and other folks involved in the exchange. | ||
| What's beautiful about Robert O'Brien to talk about this is he was actually the hostage negotiator at the State Department at the beginning of the Trump administration. | ||
| He did that for almost two years. | ||
| What he's going to tell you now are two things. | ||
| When he got hostages back, he never had to give up bad guys or bad things because that's the way he rolls and Trump rolled. | ||
| And he's going to give you the history. | ||
| It's like this one here is the third case Where Putin's beaten Biden-Harris in hostage negotiations, basically getting back the first one, an arms dealer for Britney Greiner, the second one, | ||
| involved a money launderer of Putin's for some corporate executives in Venezuela and now we got the assassin for the reporter. | ||
| So, Robert, tell me just how bad a precedent that that Harris and Biden are setting in their shameless quest to get elected. | ||
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Well, listen, Peter, we always are happy when Americans come home. | |
| It's all the Americans that came home, Brittany and Al, Evan and others. | ||
| We're thrilled to have him back, but what you don't want to do, and you're the economist here and know this better than I do, you don't want to create a market for hostage-taking. | ||
| And when you pay ransom or you get high-profile prisoners back in exchange for innocent Americans, you created a perverse incentive for the bad guys, for the Putins and the Xi Jinpings and the Ayatollahs, to take innocent Americans knowing that they can trade it back and get their bond bill and bad guys Back from the West. | ||
| So if you're Vladimir Putin and you're asking a spy to go kill someone in Germany or kill someone in London or kill someone in America, you can tell them, look, don't worry if you get caught. | ||
| All this is kidnapping Americans and trade them back for you, so we'll bring you home. | ||
| And so you're creating a very bad incentive process. | ||
| As happy as we are to get Abbott out of a bad situation in a Russian jail, which is no good place to be, You know, are we transferring the misery onto some other future American as we get taken, you know, to trade back for a bad guy? | ||
| And let's run through the gruesome threesome of Putin's basically out chess playing the Biden. | ||
| Britney Greiner, okay, the basketball star who got caught with a little pot in her bag. | ||
| Who do we have to trade for her? | ||
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We traded a guy named Victor Bout, and if any of you ever watched the movie Lord of War, Nicholas Cage, he's basically playing the Victor Boud | |
| character. This was the world's number one arms dealer. We chased him for years. We set up a sting | ||
| operation with the FBI in Thailand, got him. | ||
| He was in jail for life and Putin traded WNBA star to get him back to Russia. | ||
| So Biden panders to, I guess, the gay and black community to get Brittany Griner out and Putin's | ||
| got one of the worst arms. | ||
| Okay, so let's do the next one. | ||
| The corporate executives for the money launderer. | ||
| What was that one about that Harrison Biden did? | ||
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Yeah, so this guy was getting robbed and he was a Venezuelan. | |
| Kind of Russian money launderer. | ||
| He was kind of the financial bag man for Maduro and Chavez and Putin. | ||
| He's the guy who moved the money around between the regimes. | ||
| And he got caught. | ||
| Again, we had an ally, the Cape Verde Islands, picked him up on a private flight. | ||
| We had to help the Cape Verdeans keep him because the Russians were threatening to send special forces in to rescue him. | ||
| We had Coast Guard ships and Navy ships offshore of Cape Verde to make sure we got him back. | ||
| He was in jail, this is a very bad guy, and unfortunately he's not free again. | ||
| And useful to Putin, likely moving money around in his Ukraine adventure, I would say. | ||
| And so now we have the third strike against Harris Biden in terms of their negotiating. | ||
| Tell us about the political, the assassin. | ||
| I guess he shot somebody in broad daylight in Germany, but do we know if he killed anybody else? | ||
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Well, we know he's a KGB assassin. | |
| I think he's a KGB colonel, or now FSB is their new name, colonel. | ||
| He gets dispatched to Germany. | ||
| He killed somebody, a Chechen dissident, political opponent of Putin, in broad daylight in the Berlin equivalent of Central Park. | ||
| He gets picked up by the Germans, sentenced to a life in prison. | ||
| The Germans don't want to let him go, but President Biden leaned on Chancellor Schultz to spring him so that they could get Evan back. | ||
| And again, in all these cases, Peter, we're always happy to have Americans tell them. | ||
| President Trump didn't care if anyone was black or white or what their party was. | ||
| When America was held abroad, President Trump felt that that was the essence of American first, that some other government or some terrorist organization was holding an American with a blue passport to try and leverage President Trump. | ||
| He wasn't going to have anything of that. | ||
| He'd use all tools of national power to get him back, but we weren't going to encourage more hostage-taking. | ||
| We're glad to have these Americans back, but we're paying a very, very dear price to get them back. | ||
| That's the problem here. | ||
| And you walked the talk. | ||
| How many hostages did you get back? | ||
| Was there any case where you ever had to give up more than you thought you should have? | ||
| How'd you go about it? | ||
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Well, look, the first thing is President Trump got all these hostages back. | |
| I was lucky enough to work for him. | ||
| I couldn't have been an effective negotiator if I didn't have Trump to rely on. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
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My counterparts knew that if they could come to a deal with me, they were going to have to deal with Donald Trump. | |
| There was more than one occasion, Peter, that I picked up my briefcase and put my papers back in it. | ||
| And got up from the table and said, look, we're done here. | ||
| We gave it our best shot. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| I'm going to go tell President Trump that you couldn't make a deal. | ||
| And let's see what he does. | ||
| And that was the close. | ||
| And that was the close. | ||
| Sit back down. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Let's get this deal done. | |
| So the credit really goes to the President, not to me. | ||
| No, I'm glad you said that because when I was in there with you, I got a lot of stuff done. | ||
| But it was only because I was speaking on behalf of Donald Trump. | ||
| They feared and respected him. | ||
| And what would have been your strategy for the Wall Street Journal reporter? | ||
| What could they have done differently? | ||
| Would it simply be if Trump was in there, Putin would have been far more willing to send the guy back? | ||
| Simple as that? | ||
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Look, part of that, part of it is, you know, we've got tools of national power that you understand, Peter, in the sanctions world. | |
| We've got military tools, we've got diplomatic tools that we can use to leverage other governments to exceed our will when it comes to hostages. | ||
| Because, look, I'm not suggesting that it might make sense for you guys to bully other governments, but when they wrongfully detain an American, that really goes to the essence of American first. | ||
| You're basically saying, we're targeting this person just because he's a U.S. | ||
| citizen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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and trouble but up with that and so we would i wrote in one case we told the government that we were | |
| yeah basically but terror from the paper stock market | ||
| that they have to talk to them home that uh... we did have one location | ||
| and get what i thought i did my work the hospital is very well | ||
| you are a great american and You did a great job first in hostage negotiation and then as a national security advisor. | ||
| You've taught America today the lesson that you don't incentivize the taking of innocent Americans like Biden, Harris does. | ||
| We're going to let you go. | ||
| Thanks for coming on. | ||
| We're going to get you back in the room. | ||
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Yeah, one of the purposes I had the blessing was working with you and And we got a lot done with China and other countries, and you did a great job with the President, so thank you for your service. | |
| All right, my brother. | ||
| You take care of yourself. | ||
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Take care. | |
| All right. | ||
| Camera, look right in my eyes. | ||
| Morning Joe. | ||
| Rachel Maddow. | ||
| Chris Cuomo. | ||
| Aaron Burnett. | ||
| And all you other left-wing liberals, if you are out there today celebrating in any way the return of the hostages from Russia without pointing out that Harris and Biden have simply incentivized the taking of innocent Americans, not just in Russia, but around the world, Because they are so weak and so ready for political reasons to bend the knee and exchange innocent Americans for guilty, guilty Russians and maybe now Chinese or Venice, whatever. | ||
| Shame on you, you lefties. | ||
| You need to talk about this as honestly as you talked about Biden's fecklessness and diminished mental capacity. | ||
| This hostage deal stinks. | ||
| They should get nothing from it politically. | ||
| And the Wall Street Journal, go F yourself, okay? | ||
| Because you put me in prison as you celebrated that. | ||
| Navarro in the war room. | ||
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Well, there you are. | |
| Stable equilibrium they've gotten the economy into. | ||
| They've got to keep the stock market and real estate market up through the election | ||
| because it's the upper end of Americans who are powering the economy | ||
| because the bottom 50%, as you and I have talked about, are getting crushed. | ||
| The inflation is absolutely destroying our middle class, our working class, virtually every class. | ||
| Inflation is a disaster in our country. | ||
| Young people, young black people, they don't have the American dream anymore. | ||
| They can't buy a house. | ||
| They can't borrow the money because of the cost of the money. | ||
| They can't buy it because of the cost of housing, because of the cost to build it, because of inflation. | ||
| Inflation is a disaster and it's destroying our country. | ||
| And it's destroying the black community probably as much. | ||
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So, Vice President Harris, it was the deciding vote for the American Rescue Plan and the Inflation Reduction Act. | |
| Yes, that's right. | ||
| So, she owns those. | ||
| They would not have passed. | ||
| It was 50-50. | ||
| She broke the tie. | ||
| Yes, she did. | ||
| Those caused the Great Inflation. | ||
| She was the border czar. | ||
| So when I see that, the long end is still moving in a different sort of fashion. | ||
| That tells me that there's a stagflationary whiff here. | ||
| Tell me which one of those she doesn't own. | ||
| Yeah, well she's walking away from all of it. | ||
| So when I see that, the long end is still moving in a different sort of fashion. | ||
| That tells me that there's a stagflationary whiff here. | ||
| Now, people might be rolling their eyes, but let's look at it for what it is. | ||
| We are probably going to settle out somewhere between 2.5% and 3% on inflation. | ||
| I think growth is going to continue to slow down, so we're going to have a form of stagflation. | ||
| Now, it's not going to be double-digit, but it's not going to be pretty. | ||
| Not going to be pretty at all. | ||
| Hey, you'd think that was a cold open. | ||
| It was actually my read for Birch Gold. | ||
| I'm supposed to be doing a read on Birch Gold. | ||
| Just watch that clip. | ||
| Inflation. | ||
| Birch Gold. | ||
| It's, you know, it's like gold is a hedge against inflation. | ||
| Go to birchgold.com forward slash Bannon. | ||
| Birchgold.com forward slash Bannon. | ||
| And the cool thing about it is you can move your IRA or 401k into physical gold without paying any taxes. | ||
| But this is the world that we live in and this is the setup For one of the favorite guests of mine, whenever I get a chance to host the War Room, I usually give Richard Barris a call. | ||
| And the way I want to set the discussion up with Richard is, if we're going to win this election going into November, I think we've got to abandon this whole BS about attacking the personal characteristics in any way of Kamala Harris. | ||
| The whole slut-shaming stuff, the this, the that, the cackle, the DEI. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's like, don't go there. | ||
| Don't do that, especially if you're an old white guy like me. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You don't need to do that. | ||
| You're just going to alienate the people we need, which are women, women, women, women. | ||
| Don't go there. | ||
| We beat them on policy. | ||
| And it's the seven deadly sins of Kamala Harris, who now owns everything Joe Biden has done, because she says she supports it. | ||
| And my thesis here is if we just go after him on policy, Donald Trump beats them by double digits on every single of the seven deadly sins That are in the heads and eyes of the voters, okay? | ||
| At the top, as that clip just showed, it's the economy, then you got the border, then you got foreign policy, then you got crime, then you got the weaponization of the justice system, and then you got the woke world of Kamala and the squad and all of those folks, okay? | ||
| Let's beat them on policy. | ||
| Throw a little plug in for my book, The New MAGA Deal, newmagadeal.com. | ||
| 37 chapters, 100 actions in 100 days. | ||
| It's all policy! | ||
| It's all policy. | ||
| I'm not talking about Willie Brown in California. | ||
| I'm talking about Kamala supporting Joe Biden's Bidenomics and opposing things like fracking. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's my intro. | ||
| If we had sound effects here, we'd do a little drumroll. | ||
| Richard Barris. | ||
| Let's bring Richard Barris in. | ||
| My brother, how are you today, sir? | ||
| Living the dream, Peter. | ||
| And I think it's the first time we've done this since you've been back, man. | ||
| I'm so glad to see you. | ||
| And you look good. | ||
| You look great. | ||
| I look marvelous for my age and for just coming out of prison. | ||
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You're a warrior. | |
| I can add that. | ||
| You're a warrior. | ||
| You're a warrior. | ||
| And we got a war on our hands, brother. | ||
| And we got complacent, even though smart guys like you and me and Bannon knew that Biden wasn't going to be the nominee all along. | ||
| I said that back in January in an article in the Washington Times. | ||
| I don't know why we engage in such hubris. | ||
| But I actually think Kamala is going to be easier to beat than Joe Biden once the dust settles and once we flush her out on policy. | ||
| Because the one thing Biden had, now hear this left wing, the one thing Biden had was that patina, that veneer that he was somehow the kid from Scranton that had some kind of empathy for the working class It was untrue, but somehow he was able to pull that magic trick off. | ||
| You look at him, and then you look and listen to Kamala Harris. | ||
| She's got about as much empathy for black, brown, and blue collar Americans as Putin does for Wall Street Journal reporters. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Tell us now, whether I'm right or wrong, I want you to go through The issue is, let's start with the inflation and the economy, and let's work our way down. | ||
| You tell me what you're seeing. | ||
| Start with the economy. | ||
| Okay, with the economy, first and foremost, we just had a jobs report out today. | ||
| So, you know, I just want to preface this by saying that I agree with you 100%. | ||
| Policy is the direction here, and I myself have always said that she has things in her | ||
| past that make her vulnerable. | ||
| But when we talk to voters, Peter, and we've been asking them this for months and months | ||
| and months, it doesn't matter whether Kamala Harris is the nominee or Joe Biden is the | ||
| nominee. | ||
| The reason why voters who told us they want Trump back, who are truly swing voters, is | ||
| because of his competency on the economy. | ||
| And inflation and cost of living is going away, the number one issue for voters going | ||
| into November. | ||
| And then the economy is number two, or immigration. | ||
| It switches up, and this month it did again. | ||
| And then number four has actually been this battle between abortion and the threats from lawfare to democracy and the idea of our system of government, really. | ||
| So that's what we have seen for months now. | ||
| And Trump leads on every issue but abortion, of course, when we're talking about those issues. | ||
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And also there's this backdrop. | |
| Hang on one second. | ||
| Let's unpack something you just said. | ||
| Because you said abortion, but you also said lawfare. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So those are two different things. | ||
| Able to successfully turn the tables on us on the lawfare thing? | ||
| Is like, we're the bad guys? | ||
| Or is there recognition that they're using the Justice Department and the tools of government to put people like me and Steve Bannon in prison and interfere with Trump's election? | ||
| If you ask people two years ago about threats to democracy, for instance, right? | ||
| Because we do word it both ways. | ||
| We're speaking the language of the left and the right, so we don't leave anybody out. | ||
| And that's the better way to get a gauge on public opinion. | ||
| But if you would have asked two years ago, It would have been an anti-Republican or anti-Trump sentiment because they would have thought in their mind about January 6th. | ||
| Once they started to do this lawfare, engage in this lawfare, it flipped. | ||
| And that's why Donald Trump actually leads when we ask people, who do you trust more when it comes to lawfare, preserving democracy, corruption in the government, targeting political opponents? | ||
| Biden lost that. | ||
| Democrats in general lost that lead. | ||
| You know, I would say it was probably around eight months ago. | ||
| What happened about eight months ago? | ||
| Right. | ||
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So that's because... What's the spread? | |
| It's pretty close. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I did throw the chart up. | ||
| I don't know if the producer has it, but It's a couple of points. | ||
| I think it's two points this month. | ||
| It's very close. | ||
| But, I mean, Peter, it would have been Biden plus 20, you know, eight months ago. | ||
| Yeah, that's the overall. | ||
| But, you know, when we ask the trust first issues, which is down a little bit, it's preserving democracy, threats to democracy, corruption. | ||
| That's that category. | ||
| He leads 44 to 42, and that would have been, again, a negative spread for the Republicans and Donald Trump in general in eight months ago. | ||
| So are the Democrats kind of behind the curve now because they keep pushing the theme of Trump is a threat to democracy. | ||
| Have they kind of like not figured out that all the attacks on Trump and people like me and Bannon have actually helped make that issue either go away, I guess, because it's a wash now, or moving in Trump's favor? | ||
| Because they keep pushing on that one. | ||
| I think they're trying to wake their base up because their base was in a lull. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They were in a malaise until they dumped Biden. | ||
| The base was in a malaise. | ||
| So they were just trying to wake them up. | ||
| Do you remember in 2012, a lot of Republican strategists couldn't understand why Obama was going in some of the | ||
| directions he was going. | ||
| And then when the electorate came out in November, it was just hyped with Dem. | ||
| It was D plus five electorate. | ||
| He gave up on appealing to the middle. | ||
| He lost independence to Mitt Romney. | ||
| And he said, I got to drive out turnout with black women, right? | ||
| Urban voters, younger voters that got to come out. | ||
| Yeah, I got it. | ||
| It's my base. | ||
| He gave up on winning the persuadable voter. | ||
| I really think that's what Democrats have been trying to do for months now for months. | ||
| And let me just say, I would run an ad right now just to give them a little free advice I would run a clip of the Olympic boxer getting her head | ||
| beaten in by a man in the ring. | ||
| And then I would follow it up with Kamala supporting men, biological men, in women's | ||
| sports. | ||
| And then I would obviously have a clip of Trump saying that he does not. | ||
| I mean, this is low-hanging fruit. | ||
| It's better than that. | ||
| Let me give you a talking point, which my lovely fiancee came up with. | ||
| We were watching that boxing thing, and then somehow another clip came on where Kamala | ||
| is sitting there and she's advocating for prisoners, male prisoners, to have sex change | ||
| operations. | ||
| And then my fiance says, oh, well, that's her kind of prison reform. | ||
| So it's kind of like, like, I mean, yeah, but it's like I was looking at that. | ||
| It's like she's sitting there. | ||
| She's like animated saying we've got to get these male prisoners the ability to have sex change operations in our prisons. | ||
| It's like, what? | ||
| That's prison reform in Kamala's world. | ||
| Anyway, you're right about that ad. | ||
| I think that... Go ahead. | ||
| Should be out right now. | ||
| I don't know what's... What are they waiting for? | ||
| I mean, we're debating whether or not Kamala's Jamaican or Indian or whatever. | ||
| I mean, look, let Peter Schweitzer handle that stuff. | ||
| That isn't for the campaign to deal with. | ||
| Let the media, the surrogates or whatever handle that. | ||
| You stay focused on policy. | ||
| People aren't... They don't want... | ||
| You know, they're not telling pollsters. | ||
| I'm looking back at the time of Donald Trump and giving them a 52% approval rating now, something we haven't found in years. | ||
| Uh, they're not doing that because Kamala Harris is Jamaican pretending to be African American. | ||
| They're doing that because they remember the Trump economy. | ||
| They remember the peace deals in the Middle East. | ||
| They remember there was no new wars. | ||
| They remember peace and prosperity and not jobs reports that look like trash like this today. | ||
| That's what they remember. | ||
| And the rest of this is a waste of time. | ||
| I'm sorry to sound so nasty about it, but it's a little bit No, no, no. | ||
| This is the theme of the day, sir. | ||
| And you remember, you remember Clinton? | ||
| Famous Clinton thing. | ||
| It's the economy, stupid. | ||
| Okay, so Navarro's version of that probably embarrasses. | ||
| It's policy, stupid. | ||
| It's policies. | ||
| All right, we'll be right back with the great Richard Beres. | ||
| Peter K Navarro in for Stephen K. | ||
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| Peter K Navarro in for Stephen K. | ||
| We're here with the great pollster, Richard Barris, and I'm going to... We were talking off the air, apparently on the abortion issue. | ||
| Kamala, that's the only thing that Kamala has a significant lead on with Trump. | ||
| So, Mr. Barris, here's the question. | ||
| Is there a message That the Trump campaign can use to narrow that gap, or is it simply that we beat her so badly on everything else, economy, inflation, border security, foreign policy, and so on, that that will be sufficient to offset her advantage | ||
| In the abortion thing. | ||
| So you're sitting around now with the boss and some of his campaign aides. | ||
| What does Richard Barris say at this point? | ||
| I do advocate for a more aggressive strategy on abortion. | ||
| I do think you really have to beat her on everything else because the gap is 14 points and you don't have that much time to turn that around. | ||
| But Donald Trump is not in the position, while he is negative when it comes to that, you know, who do you trust to handle more? | ||
| He's not as bad as some of the other candidates would have been, like very deep holes. | ||
| Ron DeSantis, for instance, trying to win Iowa, so taking the traditional Ted Cruz position. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| Republicans and state legislatures around the country really hurt the party message | ||
| by going too early with the abortion limitations. | ||
| And I did send you for to review later, you should check it out. | ||
| I sent you a deep dive in abortion that we did and we've been doing where we ask people | ||
| whether they're pro-life or pro-choice. | ||
| And then we asked them where they support limitations if they do at all. | ||
| And the Democratic position, even for pro-choice people, is a radical position. | ||
| And I think Trump has done better than any Republican candidate on explaining that to the American public. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| Are you talking about the late term, whatever, that kind of stuff? | ||
| A majority consensus develops when you're talking about a period when, uh, people argue babies can feel pain, which is about 20 weeks, right? | ||
| Or, I mean, 20, yeah, 20, 20, yeah, 20 weeks, I believe it is, something like that. | ||
| The heartbeat is not a consensus. | ||
| It's not all women. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| 14 point gap, is it all women? | ||
| I mean, what's the male female split on pro-choice? | ||
| It's not all women. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| The most pro-choice, I would say, or the most abortionist radical voter in this country | ||
| is a white, educated, liberal male. | ||
| And this is one of the biggest misconceptions you hear from the media. | ||
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That's interesting. | |
| You think about that. | ||
| There's an incentive in there. | ||
| Yes, there is an incentive for white men who are liberals who don't want to take Interesting. | ||
| their own offspring. That's what this is. There's no nice way to put this. These are | ||
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| ties that we're looking to plant and see. And they hide behind stupid whites as a way | ||
| to cover up their crap. And it's very interesting. When you look at why people support abortion, | ||
| it's very interesting. Black voters, black women specifically, they look at it as an | ||
| economic issue almost because they're on that part of the... | ||
| of the socioeconomic ladder. But white women give awful reasons for why they do support abortion, | ||
| even later term abortion. I mean, it's hard to listen to and complete the research, you know, | ||
| I don't want to ruin my body, I want to finish school, you know, it's awful. But everyone | ||
| has their own reason for it. But Republicans shot the moon and that hurt the overall brands, | ||
| you know, the overall party's brand on that. Whereas Donald Trump is in a much more tenable | ||
| position of being, you know, against late term abortion, but not being seen as someone who wants | ||
| to eradicate it altogether. And you really that's the only way to win a national election at this | ||
| point. Abortion, the right has to understand where it's left decades to give people these | ||
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views. It's going to take decades to undo it. | |
| Where does the J.D. | ||
| Vance card factor into that issue? | ||
| You know, I don't think it really does at this point. | ||
| Not yet, anyway. | ||
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| Vance was still largely unknown by most of the voters that we asked. | ||
| I'm in the school of thought where vice presidential nominees don't really have that much of an impact. | ||
| The top of the ticket has got to carry it on their own. | ||
| They can reinforce You know, they can reinforce the top of the ticket. | ||
| JD Vance is from the Midwest. | ||
| He appeals to that, you know, that working man. | ||
| He's got that working man's message. | ||
| I mean, look at his movie just shot to the top of Netflix again. | ||
| People are trying to get to know him and get to know who he is. | ||
| And the media is going after him to try to head that off because they know that's a Midwest message. | ||
| See if you agree with this. | ||
| See if you agree with this as advice for the Vance campaign. | ||
| JD has to realize he's in a general election, not a primary. | ||
| If he never mentioned family values or the choice issue again, and simply focused on his core Onshore manufacturing to the Midwest message and ran as a governor's race in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. | ||
| That would be his optimal strategy. | ||
| Agree or disagree? | ||
| No, I do agree with that. | ||
| Look at his own state. | ||
| You know, you can see the Obama-Trump counties that voted for that proposition. | ||
| And an effort to restrict abortion that much did not do well in his own state, right? | ||
| So I think the right saw an opportunity and they really jumped the gun too fast, too soon. | ||
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If you want to talk about abortion, just stick to late-term abortion. | |
| Because even a majority of pro-choice voters Okay. | ||
| late-term abortion and the right always gets sucked into this. That's why Trump is | ||
| brilliant when he turns to Hillary and says you want to rip babies out of the | ||
| womb Hillary and when he turns to Biden and says you're the radical one you want | ||
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to kill babies before right the day before birth that's all you have to do | |
| leave the rest alone. Leave the rest alone. | ||
| Yeah otherwise you scare people Peter. | ||
| So we agree that Trump wins on policy. | ||
| We've established that. | ||
| There's no question about it. | ||
| Oh, no doubt. | ||
| And honestly, abortion is the number four issue right now. | ||
| Last month it was number five. | ||
| I'm wondering whether or not it's a simple response bias that put it in at number four. | ||
| More Democrats were willing to talk to pollsters this month. | ||
| I think that's very important. | ||
| What about saying simply, we had 20 seconds here, Richard. | ||
| Quick answer, yes or no. | ||
| What about simply saying it's a state's issue now, not a federal one with the overturning Roe v. Wade. | ||
| Does that work? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Done. | ||
| That's what they were arguing for years. | ||
| Stick with it. | ||
| Alright, my brother. | ||
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Hey, uh, War Room loves you, buddy. | |
| You'll be back when I'm back. | ||
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Welcome to War Room. | |
| We'll talk to you next time. | ||
| Thanks so much, man. | ||
| Keep doing what you're doing. | ||
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Anytime, Peter. | |
| Bye. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay right here. |
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