Aug. 2, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is what you're fighting for. | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. | ||
| It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room Battleground. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Dave Brat in the War Room with Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| August. | ||
| First, Year of Our Lord 2024. | ||
| We always open the show now in honor and respect for Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. | ||
| It's our honor today to welcome my congressman to the show. | ||
| First of all, we got the budget coming up. | ||
| Second, we have it looks like a replay of the budget scenario for the past 20 years. | ||
| are many fold. The reasons that I wanted to talk to Bob, first of all, we got the budget | ||
| coming up. Second, we have it looks like a replay of the budget scenario for the past | ||
| 20 years. So I want to go over that history, why it always happens this way. Then we get | ||
| into that's why the debt is 35 trillion. | ||
| Uh, then we get into what's called the Uniparty. | ||
| Uh, and this is not an accident. | ||
| Both sides have agreed to this new equilibrium that's bankrupting our country and leaving the kids with no prospects for an economy and a future. | ||
| And then finally, we'll hit the politics about leadership spending patterns, where they support the most liberal members of Congress who vote with the Democrats and give them $20 or $30 million. | ||
| And they try to take out Freedom Caucus folks who actually uphold the Constitution and try to, you know, reduce the deficit from $2 trillion down to maybe $1 trillion. | ||
| You know, a balanced budget at this point is almost a dream. | ||
| So, with that introduction, I just want to introduce you to someone who I think has done a great job and told the truth and took the hard votes the whole way. | ||
| He's been principled. | ||
| Welcome back to the War Room, our good friend, Congressman Bob Good. | ||
| Thanks for being with us, brother. | ||
| Great to be with you, Dave. | ||
| Thanks for having me, my friend. | ||
| Yeah, super. | ||
| Why don't you just lead us off, Bob? | ||
| What, you know, the roll call and the hill rags are doing the usual, you know, they hit the Republicans, of all people, on the budget process for, you know, we didn't finish our 12 appropriations bills. | ||
| They ignore the fact that the Democrats are happy with $2 trillion deficits and want more spending, and they want to load up the administrative state, etc. | ||
| What's your best forecast after we fail at the appropriate bills again? | ||
| What comes next? | ||
| Bob Good. | ||
| Well, I want to point out, Dave, that we've passed five of our spending bills. | ||
| We haven't done our work, and we shouldn't be back in our districts. | ||
| Now, I'm in D.C. | ||
| today meeting with members of the House Freedom Caucus. | ||
| We're having a strategy session for a couple of days up here. | ||
| Your old colleagues, I know you're a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus. | ||
| But we've passed five of our spending bills, which is insufficient. | ||
| But the Senate has passed zero. | ||
| Similar to last year, we passed seven or eight bills out of the House, which was progress. | ||
| The Senate passed just a couple of bills. | ||
| And that's a reflection of the Freedom Caucus, the changes that we made going back a year and a half ago, the negotiations that were entered in to allow the former Speaker to become Speaker. | ||
| We changed the process. | ||
| We've now been fighting over how much spending to cut, how many of our bills we can pass, instead of just going or defaulting to an omnibus in December. | ||
| So it's been a battle. | ||
| It's been a struggle. | ||
| We're not where we should be. | ||
| But I will remind you that Mike Johnson, when he became Speaker in October of last year, He promised. | ||
| He stated that we would not have the August district work period. | ||
| He wouldn't send members back to their districts if we hadn't passed our spending bills. | ||
| Not only did he break his word on that and send us back to our districts, but he sent us back a week early. | ||
| He even canceled the last week of July. | ||
| This week, we were supposed to be in D.C. | ||
| in session. | ||
| Again, I'm here in D.C. | ||
| We're not in session right now, but some of us members are here meeting and strategizing. | ||
| Some of the guys who've been on War Room the last couple of days, Scott Perry is with me, Chip Roy is with me. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So the fear, Dave, is we're going to do what we've always done, that you're going to see a CR sometime in September. | ||
| We're due back September 9. | ||
| And it'll keep the Pelosi-Biden-Schumer spending levels. | ||
| Now, why do I say Pelosi-Biden-Schumer? | ||
| Because Pelosi was the Speaker when the Democrats had full control in the 117th Congress. | ||
| And we still have the policies and the spending levels in place a year and a half, more than a year and a half later, because we've done nothing but continuing resolutions under the former Speaker and under the current Speaker. | ||
| So past failure, Dave, would indicate more of the same is coming. | ||
| Because Republicans haven't shown the courage to cut spending or to have a shutdown fight to try to force our will upon the Senate. | ||
| Instead, we've surrendered what the White House and what the Senate want to do in order to not have any disruption to the functioning of the government that's destroying the country. | ||
| Bob, I want to hit rewind with you a minute because you went back to something which is symbolic and substantive. | ||
| And that specifically involves you, and that is the Pelosi budget referred to. | ||
| Also, that goes back to Speaker McCarthy. | ||
| He went up to the White House and gave Biden, at the time, a $7 trillion budget. | ||
| And that was against the will of the House, and that was against the will of promises that were made. | ||
| And then that turned into the food fight. | ||
| The idea that a Freedom Caucus member wouldn't fight hard against a $7 trillion budget, right? | ||
| And now resulting $35 trillion debt. | ||
| We have a higher debt in percentage terms than we did at the height of World War II, | ||
| with no World War II. | ||
| Although we do have four wars going on and 14 hotspots. | ||
| That's another issue for another day. | ||
| But we have the COVID budget, $7 trillion, where we handed out checks to everybody in the country, every person, every business. | ||
| We have a $7 trillion COVID budget. | ||
| That's woke and weaponized without COVID anymore. | ||
| And Congress never ratchets down. | ||
| And so, you know, all political views are my own. | ||
| I don't like getting too spicy. | ||
| But let's just say, you know, in your view, do you think Kevin McCarthy should be the next, | ||
| you know, gatekeeper for the president of the United States, the next chief of staff | ||
| in a leadership role, given how we've done with $7 trillion budgets? | ||
| And that's a softball to you, but I want to get your views. | ||
| Well, I have heard rumors to that effect that the former speaker might be the chief of staff. | ||
| I sure hope that's not the case. | ||
| The country certainly cannot afford that. | ||
| We don't need someone who made promises in order to become Speaker. | ||
| You know, the Freedom Caucus a year ago was fighting for what we called the Limit Save Grow Bill. | ||
| And all that did, to your point, was cut spending, non-defense discretionary spending, back to pre-COVID levels, which at that time was the biggest, most bloated, most wasteful, most excessive budget in the history of the country. | ||
| But let's cut non-defense discretionary spending back to pre-COVID levels. | ||
| That was the fight last year. | ||
| The speaker made a commitment to do that, the former speaker, I should say. | ||
| He broke his word on that and many other things. | ||
| And so to your point, we now have a $7 trillion budget. | ||
| Everything we vote on is borrowed. | ||
| Every single dollar. | ||
| What I mean is if we were to cut all of defense, obviously we don't want to do that, but all of homeland security, all of education, all of health and human services, everything that we vote on, We would still have a deficit because of the mandatory spending that we don't even vote on every year. | ||
| So we run a deficit of about $200 billion a month. | ||
| To your point, now it's $35 trillion. | ||
| dollars a month to your point now it's 35 trillion dollars that's over 100,000 per citizen over | ||
| 260,000 per household and nearly 500,000 or half a million dollars per child in this country. | ||
| To your point, the greatest percentage of debt to GDP since World War II, and we have nothing to show for it. | ||
| We didn't just defeat Nazi Germany or imperialist Japan. | ||
| We just spent ourselves into bankruptcy, into 40-year high inflation, 20-year high interest rates. | ||
| The interest on the debt's about a trillion dollars. | ||
| It's unsustainable, and that's why some of us don't go along to get along. | ||
| We believe that it really matters and that we just can't let it happen on our watch, and we're not willing to vote for it, and that's what causes so much conflict in the Republican House. | ||
| Yeah, well said. | ||
| I just saw a Senate report. | ||
| Not only is it the spending, but you know, Ross Vogt, the former head of OMB, did a great job with Chip Roy yesterday hosting the show. | ||
| I was going to crack some jokes and have a competition, but Chip would clearly beat me. | ||
| Those two guys hit it out of the park, and Ross got rid of all the woke and weaponized disasters. | ||
| This morning I saw Capito and another senator from, I think, Nebraska, both showcasing their research into the corruption spending through EPA in the budget, funding Marxist groups, cut-out groups, NGOs, to the tune of billions of dollars. | ||
| We're paying people to protest against the United States of America, against democracy, against our Republican form of government. | ||
| We've gone through all the big tech weaponization and censorship. | ||
| You've been fighting the fight. | ||
| What can we do? | ||
| What are the next steps? | ||
| The posse has been put in heat. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon has been the tip of the spear in pointing the posse toward the right members. | ||
| We just had Rosemary Jenkson pointing to members in the Republican conference who are starting an immigration, a pro-immigration caucus to get more cheap labor, not less. | ||
| And so, you now have the experience, the war wounds to lead the country. | ||
| What should we be doing in order to stop this freefall? | ||
| Well, it doesn't matter what you believe in or what you say you believe in if you're not willing to fight for it, to take risks, to suffer consequences for it, especially when you control one half of one branch of government. | ||
| So the Senate and the White House have a very different view of the country, a very different view for the future of America than we do. | ||
| Very different priorities and policy views, of course, so we're not going to have agreement to that. | ||
| So are we going to keep funding the weaponization of government against its citizens, the two-tiered justice system, disparate treatment of people based on their political views? | ||
| Are we going to give the FBI a new headquarters and reward them for what they're doing? | ||
| Are we going to fund the diversity, equity, inclusion, the critical race theory, the climate extremism that you mentioned, the transgender policy, the abortion funding, and those kind of things that permeate Every area of the federal government, or are we going to say no and are we going to be willing to walk away and say not on our watch and have a shutdown fight? | ||
| If the Democrats know we won't have a shutdown fight, we haven't demonstrated a willingness to do that so far, then they know that we're going to keep the policies in place that we run against, that we campaign against, that are destroying the country. | ||
| And the spending levels that are bankrupt in the country. | ||
| So what we've got to do is decide what we're going to allow people who wear the brand, who call themselves Republicans, are we going to allow them to serve and get our vote and get nominated if they're going to join hands with the Democrats just to keep the government open, to keep it functioning, the unit party as you called it, the swamp that's working together to destroy the country. | ||
| It's working for them, but it's not working for the American people. | ||
| Yeah, well said, Bob Good. | ||
| I just want to personally thank you for your service to the country. | ||
| I think the war room applauds you and your leadership roles. | ||
| Why don't you bring us up to speed? | ||
| All political views are my own. | ||
| How much money did the Uniparty in total throw against you? | ||
| Again, I'm not exaggerating, folks, when I say the liberal members, the most liberal members of the Republican conference get $10, $20, $30 million each. | ||
| They leave the conservatives off high and dry. | ||
| It's just stunning, right? | ||
| I ran on what was called the Republican creed, the Virginia Republican creed. | ||
| Just basic meat and potatoes, the promises you would make. | ||
| But Bob Gooden and I both voted for that. | ||
| And then you pay a price for voting for the Republican creed. | ||
| Bob, how much was spent against you? | ||
| And where does your race stand now with the recount? | ||
| Just bring us up to speed. | ||
| Yeah, well, real quick, to your point, when a moderate gets challenged by a conservative, someone who wants to join the Freedom Caucus, the party will spend millions of dollars to defend that moderate, to defend that incumbent from the challenge by a conservative challenger who wants to join the Freedom Caucus. | ||
| The D.C. | ||
| Swamp spent $10 million to try to defeat me in this race, to buy this race for the California and D.C. | ||
| special interests, and the speaker did nothing. | ||
| The Republican leadership, the Republican party did nothing to try to help me. | ||
| Folks can help me. | ||
| Our recount's actually going on today. | ||
| It's costing me about $150,000. | ||
| They can go to bobgoodforcongress.com and help give us the resources we need for this recount challenge that's literally going on as we speak. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Thank you very much, Congressman Bob Good. | ||
| Thanks for being a fine Christian, principled leader for our country, following every jot of the Constitution to a T, educating the public in the meantime. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thank you, Dave. | ||
| And the war room always loves you and what you've done for our country. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Alright, moving to our friend Abe Hamade. | ||
| I'm not going to step on the headline. | ||
| Abe, are you with us? | ||
| I am. | ||
| All right, I think you may have some good news to share with the War Room posse, so Abe Hamaday, welcome to the War Room. | ||
| You're a beloved friend here, and so why don't you take the lead, share with us the good news, what it means in the next election, and then what it means for the country. | ||
| Take it from there. | ||
| Abe, welcome. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Thank you, Dave. | ||
| Well, just yesterday, last night, they officially called our race for Congress. | ||
| So we defeated Blake Masters and so many others in the Republican primary. | ||
| So we are well on our way to Washington, D.C. | ||
| after the general election. | ||
| But I couldn't do it without the War Room Posse, without Stephen Bannon, and I'm praying for him every day. | ||
| Without so many patriots across the country, I think this is a testament that the people still have power, that the good guys still have a shot. | ||
| So we can take on all the billionaires, we can take on the corporate interests, we can take on the establishment, we can take on the media, we can take on the rhinos and the fake Republicans. | ||
| We just have to stand united together with the American people, because we are so much more awakened than they can ever even imagine, and we're more powerful than they can ever even imagine. | ||
| This is a huge victory for the grassroots. | ||
| So I'm proud. | ||
| I'm proud of them so much. | ||
| I mean, we worked so hard. | ||
| I'm still you know, what's so funny, Dave is I'm still fighting my last election in the lawsuit still so I can sympathize with what Bob was saying over there. | ||
| He has to gear up for litigation, but I'm still fighting it. | ||
| This is what people want. | ||
| They want courageous warriors in Washington, D.C. | ||
| to rescue our country. | ||
| But You know Dave, you had a moment like this too when you first ran for Congress and you defeated a very powerful man. | ||
| It's a humbling feeling and it really just gives you energy that our country is great and it's beautiful and this is why we're going to Washington D.C. | ||
| because You know, there are so many challenges that these that these fake Republicans, these radical Democrats have destroyed. | ||
| So we have to go clean it up. | ||
| But a grassroots victory, the grassroots are who we need to stand behind it because they always got our back. | ||
| Yeah, that's great, Abe. | ||
| Let me just toss up the biggest issues we've been talking about on The War Room this morning, and Trump's big issues, the RNC's big three-platform issues. | ||
| And, you know, you just ran a grassroots campaign, and the problem of money, right? | ||
| We just got done talking with Congressman Bob Good. | ||
| But the big three issues, it's very clear the split between the grassroots, And the money to interest check writers, right? | ||
| The Republican convention this time was very hopeful. | ||
| It was the first time I've seen the check writers and the grassroots unified. | ||
| In Virginia politics, it used to just be awful. | ||
| I mean, it was, you know, the grassroots would always end up supporting kind of the swamp creature out of loyalty to the country because the Republican moderate would be better than a Democrat radical. | ||
| But the check writers would never return the favor, right? | ||
| They would never support a grassroots candidate who emerged through a primary, etc. | ||
| And, you know, that's somewhat true across the country. | ||
| And the big three issues, right, the border invasion, and then the endless debt and deficits that are funding a woken, weaponized government and the administrative state. | ||
| That's working against us, right? | ||
| The CIA, the State Department. | ||
| I'm sitting in the chair of Stephen K. Bannon, who's now a political prisoner. | ||
| And then the endless wars, right? | ||
| Four wars ongoing, right? | ||
| The Red Sea and Taiwan and Israel and Ukraine, corruption, billions of dollars, $100 billion floating over there for who knows what, after the CIA did a coup d'etat in Ukraine. | ||
| And then Putin puts a peace deal on the table with Ukraine in 2022, and we say no, the U.S. | ||
| owns that war. | ||
| Everyone on the war room is fully in favor of all those issues, and I think you are. | ||
| But which of those issues resonated out in your state Uh, and which which will resonate with general election voters. | ||
| And is there a unity on the Republican side finally coming together out out West? | ||
| You know, when it comes to the check writers and the grassroots, or is there still some schisms? | ||
| Well, I try to be truthful all the time. | ||
| There's going to be schisms still. | ||
| These people are not going to give up their power so easily. | ||
| This is how they survive. | ||
| They don't even have principles. | ||
| They just have the pocketbook. | ||
| That's what they care about. | ||
| I don't mean to be so... | ||
| Honest, I guess, but it's, uh, I'm looking at, you know, the challenges I faced in this, right? | ||
| I mean, they spent $11 million probably totaling the total in this congressional primary, but this is why people like President Trump and Carrie Lake, you know, they had my back and it's because, uh, they represent the grassroots and the American people. | ||
| But here in Arizona, my district, what they really care about obviously is the border. | ||
| I mean, we see the effects of it every single day. | ||
| The fentanyl destroying our, our communities and poisoning kids. | ||
| You know, when I was a prosecutor, you didn't see fentanyl on the streets as much as it is now because it used to be 20 bucks a pill. | ||
| Now it's about a dollar, and it's all coming from the communist Chinese. | ||
| And we also have 30,000 communist Chinese crossing our southern border in the last six months. | ||
| This is a recipe for a black swan type of event. | ||
| I believe our country is at a national security risk because of what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris has done to our border. | ||
| We need to militarize our border. | ||
| We need to get tough with Mexico. | ||
| We need to classify the drug cartels as a foreign terrorist organization. | ||
| They are working with ISIS. | ||
| They are working with radical Islamists to bring in these terrorists across our southern border. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| I'm a former intelligence officer. | ||
| You got to think like the enemy to defeat the enemy. | ||
| What China is doing is exactly what I'd be doing. | ||
| We have so many challenges in my district. | ||
| They want our country back. | ||
| If you don't have a secure border, if you don't have honest elections, we are no longer a country. | ||
| My district got hit the hardest with those machines going down back in November of 2022. | ||
| here in Arizona. | ||
| So I know I'm gonna be a strong fighter for them on election integrity, but there are so many problems, | ||
| we gotta prioritize it. | ||
| And I know President Trump's gonna be leading the way with the America First agenda. | ||
| Yeah, great. | ||
| Abe, in closing, give us your coordinates, how people get to you. | ||
| And also, you know, I just had Rosemary Jenks on with the Immigration Accountability Project. | ||
| It's the number one issue out there in polling, yet when it comes to elections, It's shocking the whole country hasn't aligned there yet, right? | ||
| The cheap labor crowd is very powerful in throwing major checks at people. | ||
| Why hasn't the immigration piece caught on with the suburban moms and dads with the fentanyl problem you pointed to? | ||
| Why isn't this an election changer, right? | ||
| Kamala Harris was the head of the Democrat border invasion committee or whatever, right? | ||
| She was the czar. | ||
| Total fail and no consequences. | ||
| Why hasn't that issue caught on? | ||
| And then give us your coordinates. | ||
| I think it's because there are so many other problems in our country. | ||
| People are miserable. | ||
| I mean, they can't even afford groceries anymore. | ||
| You know, my district has the highest number of retired people in the state, and their social security doesn't cover them. | ||
| And some of them have to leave their rental properties. | ||
| It is so sad what's happening. | ||
| So when you keep getting ambushed and ambushed by what these Marxists are doing to our country, people are losing hope. | ||
| I think they're giving up. | ||
| And this is exactly why people like Steve Bannon have always said, next man up. | ||
| You know, they put him in prison and here we are, you know, we are carrying that mantle forward. | ||
| So I don't want people to despair. | ||
| We have to be happy warriors. | ||
| We have to smile in the face of evil. | ||
| We will defeat them as long as we stay united. | ||
| My coordinates are, they can go to Abe4AZ.com, A-B-E-F-O-R-A-Z.com and I would appreciate any support. | ||
| We took on many billionaires, we took on a lot of them, so I created a lot of enemies, but I know I have so many allies and support with all of the War Room Posse. | ||
| Yep, you do, brother. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| We're very proud of you. | ||
| We're very happy with you today, Abe. | ||
| Thanks for being with us on The War Room. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you, Dave. | ||
| All right, we are going back from this morning to one of the crowd favorites, Dave Barton. | ||
| We got a couple minutes left on this side of the break, and then we're going to do a deeper dive. | ||
| But let's start with the basics, Dave. | ||
| Christianity is taking it on the chops. | ||
| You know, some of it for good reasons. | ||
| Some Christians do a terrible job. | ||
| They act like Pharisees. | ||
| They're judging people. | ||
| They're not loving their neighbors themselves. | ||
| They're not loving God. | ||
| The way I read the good book, and let's just take this issue before the break, you know, John the Baptist comes and Jesus comes proclaiming the gospel, comma, the forgiveness of sins. | ||
| And so that seems to me the crux of the gospel, right? | ||
| It's the forgiveness of sins, meaning we're not saints, right? | ||
| How does it always get turned around that Christians end up, you know, looking like Pharisees or whatever? | ||
| Part of this is the media, the attack, right? | ||
| They make us look judgmental, but some of it is earned. | ||
| And would you But that forgiveness of sins seems to me the fundamental humility piece. | ||
| right there with the forgiveness of sins. Jesus comes, pays the price for us, for all of humanity, | ||
| and there's forgiveness of those sins. But that forgiveness of sins seems to me the fundamental | ||
| humility piece. It should make us all very humble. We still fight like crazy, but we should be humble. | ||
| Do you see that as the core message, Dave? | ||
| And how would you expand upon that characterization? | ||
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I would say that's the beginning point. | |
| Once you get there, that's the beginning. | ||
| But after that, you know, Jesus said, make disciples of all men, not converts. | ||
| And so once you get to that point, you realize, hey, I do need a Savior. | ||
| Then you need to know how to think and how to act and how to behave and what is right and what is wrong. | ||
| And what do you do with your family? | ||
| And what do you do with your country? | ||
| And what do you do with education? | ||
| What do you do with your community? | ||
| Those are all things that I and, you know, historically, The example I like to use, and forgive me, you're a Virginia guy, but I'm going to step on you here for a minute. | ||
| Jamestown did not do a good job. | ||
| Jamestown came in with a Christian declaration. | ||
| Virginia Charter of 1606. | ||
| They get into cannibalism. | ||
| They're hardcore into socialism. | ||
| They start wars with Native Americans. | ||
| They kidnap Pocahontas after she helped them so much. | ||
| I mean, they're just lousy, lousy examples of Christianity, but they were following a state-established church, and they did all that was necessary to be a Christian at that level. | ||
| You get the Pilgrims, you have a different thing. | ||
| These are the guys that came up with the free market system, they came up with the elected form of government, first time ever in a thousand years we get elected government. | ||
| They're reading the book, and they're spending time in the book. | ||
| And what they do with business, the longest lasting treaty in American history is the Pilgrims and Native Americans, because they read the book on private property. | ||
| So I think that's a starting place, but you have to go further, and that's the difference in America today. | ||
| That's where we're going next. | ||
| The proclamation of the gospel, the forgiveness of sins, but that is just the starting place. | ||
| We're going to get into how do you build a republic from that great starting place. | ||
| Back with Dave Barton in The War Room. | ||
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Outro Trump's supporters attribute America's fall from grace to a variety of national sins, old and new. | |
| Prayer bans in public schools, illegal immigration, pro-transgender policies, the purported rigging of a certain recent election. | ||
| Whatever the specifics, the picture of America they paint is almost universally, biblically, bleak. | ||
| The premise of all of these prayers is that America's covenant can be re-established and its special place in God's kingdom restored if the nation repents and turns back to Him. | ||
| Ryan Burge, a Baptist minister and political scientist, told me that these ideas have long percolated on the religious right. | ||
| What's new is how many Christians now seem convinced that God has anointed a specific leader who, like those prophets of old, is prepared to defeat the forces of evil and redeem the country. | ||
| And that leader is running for president. | ||
| Mr. McKay, that's an excerpt from your piece. | ||
| It remains the unlikeliest of marriages, the evangelicals and Donald Trump. | ||
| Those bonds, though, seem to have only grown stronger. | ||
| Tell us where we are in the middle of 2024. | ||
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Yeah, you know, like you said, I have been covering the Trump campaign for a long time. | |
| I've attended more than a hundred Trump rallies over the course of my career. | ||
| And the premise of this piece was that the prayers that are given at the beginning of these campaign events don't often get that much journalistic attention. | ||
| We tend to focus on what Trump himself is saying. | ||
| But they provide a really interesting and, I think, revealing insight into the religious rights attitude toward Trump. | ||
| One of the evolutions that you see in these prayers, and we ended up compiling 58 of them since Trump launched his most recent campaign, and the idea was to kind of examine the theological motifs. | ||
| One of the things you really see is that In 2016, the way that you heard conservative evangelicals talk about Trump was that he was like Cyrus the Great, who was a 6th century B.C. | ||
| Persian king who liberated the Israelites from Babylonian captivity. | ||
| And the idea was, look, he's an unlikely vessel. | ||
| He's not a believer himself, but he's going to help us do God's will. | ||
| You don't really see that language in these prayers anymore. | ||
| What you see is him being compared to Righteous, prophetic heroes that he is not only somebody who is kind of a tool in God's hand, but that he is godly and righteous himself. | ||
| And in fact, in many of these prayers, the stakes of the election are really ratcheted up to the point where Trump is considered, you know, the representative of the forces of good and Joe Biden, Kamala Harris are the forces of evil. | ||
| And so You really see the way that the election is being framed in these prayers as an example of how the stakes of the election have come to feel so kind of biblically, apocalyptically high for so many Americans. | ||
| Yes, good versus evil. | ||
| Welcome back to the War Room with David Barton, who was with us this morning. | ||
| We covered some of the ground here, but we just started off with the core gospel message, | ||
| the forgiveness of sins, leads to humility, but it doesn't end there. | ||
| And that's why I wanna Dave on again, there are still huge swaths of Christians | ||
| in the Catholic camp and the Protestant camp that believe that Christians have no right | ||
| to be in the political sphere. | ||
| Our own team will put us down for wanting to form a more perfect union. | ||
| And so, Dave, can you just give us a quick run-through of the basics again? | ||
| A lot of people will just say, look, you know, the Constitution and the Declaration talks about these inalienable rights from God, right? | ||
| We're made in the image of God and therefore we're endowed with these certain inalienable rights. | ||
| But then they'll say the Constitution doesn't have any Christian language, right? | ||
| There's nothing that specifies Christianity. | ||
| And so, as we go from the core gospel message to setting up a republic and leading public lives, as everyone in the Hebrew Scriptures did as well with the book of Exodus, how do we build the basic blocks to form this republic and keep it? | ||
| And Dave Barton, take it away. | ||
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Well, the basic building block, I believe, and I believe from history we can easily show, was literally biblical thought. | |
| And it was not necessarily theological thought. | ||
| It was biblical thought. | ||
| In the Bible is where you see the foundation of the first republic. | ||
| Exodus 18-21 says, Choose your own leaders. | ||
| Choose leaders of tens, fifties, hundreds, and thousands. | ||
| That's local, county, state, federal in our system, and our Founding Fathers cited that Bible verse as the reason that we don't want monarchies. | ||
| We've had monarchies. | ||
| God had King Saul, but he tried to tell the people, you really don't want King Saul. | ||
| Stay with the Republican system. | ||
| I've got you. | ||
| Our Founding Fathers knew that part of history, so they saw the Bible as a building block for a representative form of government. | ||
| They saw it as the building block for an economic system, great major economic systems. | ||
| You'll find that America was started socialistic as all of Europe had been. | ||
| They were government control systems run by kings and monarchs. | ||
| Private property belonged to the king. | ||
| He would take it from you, give it to others. | ||
| So the whole concept of private property and the concept of socialism, that's what they inherited. | ||
| That's not what they believe. | ||
| And they believe that specifically in the Bible. | ||
| The first free market business in a thousand years was created in Naptucket, Massachusetts in 1627. | ||
| I will even point to someone like Stephen Breyer. | ||
| First, Sympathy 5-8, Second Thessalonians 3-10. | ||
| By the way, these are what their governors quoted. | ||
| And this wasn't saying which church you attend. | ||
| This says we need a better economic system. | ||
| I will even point to someone like Stephen Breyer. | ||
| I believe he is probably the most secular Supreme Court justice we've had in America's history. | ||
| I've been involved in 13 cases of the U.S. | ||
| Supreme Court, and I find it striking that even Stephen Breyer, when he was talking about due process rights, and due process, that's the Fourth of the Eighth Amendment, the right to confront your accuser, compel witnesses on your behalf, speak in your own defense, etc. | ||
| He pointed out, from federal practice and procedure, the law books you use to practice federal law, Twenty pages where federal practice and procedure says our due process rights came out of the Bible. | ||
| They specifically say the right to confront your accuser comes out of John 8.10. | ||
| The right to compel witnesses in your behalf, Proverbs 18.17. | ||
| The right to speak in your own defense, Acts 22.1. | ||
| So what you have is you have a culture now where the Bible is superficial at best. | ||
| Everybody has two or three in their house, stats show, who reads it. | ||
| Only 4% of Americans can actually put Bible verses to economic policies, to forms of government, to criminal justice, to private property. | ||
| And we had a culture that used to be able to do that. | ||
| So, for people who say, well, there's nothing about God in the Constitution, you've got some serious historical problems, because there is. | ||
| There's a lot of biblical language explicitly in the Constitution. | ||
| The treason clause, for example, if you read the treason clause and you'll go open your Bible to Deuteronomy 17, 15, it's the exact quotation. | ||
| See, just because the Constitution doesn't have a Bible passage after it doesn't mean they didn't quote the Bible. | ||
| And I would go to Ben Franklin, one of our least religious founding fathers, He had a conversation with, or actually had an exchange of letters with Reverend Samuel Cooper, and he told him, he said, you know, in America we all study the Bible, we all know it. | ||
| He said, when I go to Europe and speak to a crowd over there, if I quote a Bible verse, I've got to tell them in France or England I'm quoting the Bible, what it is. | ||
| He said, when I'm in America, I never have to tell anybody what I'm quoting in a Bible verse, we all study the Scriptures. | ||
| And that's why, if you'll look at Franklin's speech that he gave at the Constitutional Convention, Thursday, June 28, 1787, in 14 sentences, he quotes 14 Bible verses, but he does not put a passage with any of them. | ||
| But if you will look, and we have it in our books, we have the exact Bible verse. | ||
| He quotes it verbatim. | ||
| He just didn't say this was from the Bible, because everybody knew it was. | ||
| So that's the way the Constitution is. | ||
| We have a number of clauses in the Constitution, direct quotes out of the Bible. | ||
| Bounding Fathers acknowledge that. | ||
| As a matter of fact, they acknowledge the five oath clauses in the Bible come from four passages in the Scriptures. | ||
| So even when we take an oath, the way we do it, it's outlined in the Bible, tells us how to do it. | ||
| So there's a lot of evidence that I can go to, Dave. | ||
| You know that, but there's just a lot more that people don't understand. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's spot on. | ||
| And so we're stuck with a tricky situation because all of the language is biblical. | ||
| We can go back and show the origins of the Judeo-Christian tradition in the construction of our republic. | ||
| And yet, huge swaths of Catholics and evangelicals, particularly young people across the country, a lot of them still just say, well, That's all fine and dandy, but then Jesus came. | ||
| He's the fullest revelation of God in the Christian tradition, and he didn't do politics. | ||
| You know, he had disdain for the rulers of this world, and he almost dismissed them, right? | ||
| And he pointed toward holiness and be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. | ||
| And that is the dominant teaching that forms a lot of the Christian faith in this country to this day. | ||
| And so, how do we show that Jesus also, I mean, I think Jesus was in the Trinity the whole way along, right back in the Hebrew Scripture. | ||
| But what is the response to the younger Christians who have that view of Jesus? | ||
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Well, one of the things I would point to is what you just mentioned. | |
| In Orthodox Christianity for the last 2,000 years, Jesus is seen as part of the Godhead, the triune God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. | ||
| He is the manifestation of God in the flesh that came to earth, but He is God Himself. | ||
| Therefore, when you look at the scriptures, the scriptures are written by God. | ||
| God is the one himself who ordained civil government. | ||
| He created civil government before he created the church. | ||
| Back to Genesis 9, 6, what Hebrew scholars call the Noahide Law, seven categories of laws, starting with capital punishment, going right on through. | ||
| God is the one who did that. | ||
| So much is at the case that if you look at one of the philosophers that our Founding Fathers loved to quote, the third most cited philosopher by our Founding Fathers was John Locke, and they cited his 1690 work called A Treatise on Government, Two Treatises on Government. | ||
| In that book, less than an inch thick, less than 400 pages long, John Locke references the Bible 1,400 times to show the proper operation of civil government. | ||
| Do we think that Jesus said, you know, when I was part of the Godhead back then, I got it all wrong and I'm throwing all that aside. | ||
| I don't want anybody to do what the scripture says. | ||
| I've come to establish something opposite to what I've told. | ||
| No, that was not it. | ||
| What he did was he came to give us a pathway to the father. | ||
| He didn't come to set up new systems, or to set aside old systems, or to say the Bible was wrong all back then. | ||
| No, He came to fulfill the Scriptures, not to replace the Scriptures. | ||
| And so, from a theological position, Jesus did nothing to replace that, but He was making the point, and He makes it really clear. | ||
| Like, I'm coming back. | ||
| I'm coming back with the army. | ||
| I'm going to establish a global government when I come back. | ||
| That's in the book of Revelation. | ||
| He's going to do that. | ||
| What he was doing in his 33 and a half years here on earth was not trying to establish a government. | ||
| He was trying to create a pathway for people to know God individually. | ||
| He's still a great governor. | ||
| He's still the governor of the world. | ||
| He's still going to govern the world at the end. | ||
| If you don't believe that, read the Bible. | ||
| So young people who have done that, they're generally repeating what they've been told. | ||
| Very few young people have actually read the Scriptures themselves, or read about the Scriptures, or even looked at general theology. | ||
| Because if you do, you get a very different view. | ||
| Yeah, let me just keep digging a little bit more on the issue, right? | ||
| So the Jewish people in the Torah had 613 laws that helped set up civil government, right? | ||
| As you said last time we had you on, But then those are reduced to, they're not reduced to, but then you also have the Ten Commandments. | ||
| And then Jesus comes, as you said, to fulfill the law and says there are two great commands. | ||
| Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. | ||
| Love your neighbor as yourself. | ||
| And if you do that, you will have fulfilled the laws. | ||
| And so, again, some folks who are not steeped in the Bible and don't have that biblical base of knowledge will say, God is love. | ||
| That's all you need to do. | ||
| It's all about love, right? | ||
| Buy a Subaru. | ||
| You know, there's giant love signs out in front of the malls now. | ||
| So, we do have a Christian society now. | ||
| All you got to do is love. | ||
| What's wrong with that interpretation? | ||
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That's like, if you know, the Lethal Weapon series that Danny Glover and Mel Gibson did, four movies. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like watching three minutes in Lethal Weapon 3 and say, I know the whole story. | ||
| I know all the story. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What you have just done by saying God is love is you have looked at one aspect of God in some scriptures. | ||
| What you have not done is look at the whole scriptures. | ||
| You haven't watched, if you will, all four Lethal Weapon movies to see what the whole thing is about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And yes, I can say that God is love. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| I know that because He says He is. | ||
| But He also says He's a God of judgment. | ||
| He's a God of wrath. | ||
| He is the great judge of the universe. | ||
| There are a lot of other names attributed to God. | ||
| And so this is part of what we have today with government. | ||
| We pick and choose the parts of the Constitution we like. | ||
| We don't follow the parts we don't like. | ||
| And we do the same with the Bible. | ||
| I want a God of love who loves me and accepts me and nothing else. | ||
| We have a God of love. | ||
| He loves and accepts you, but He also creates standards that He expects you to live by, and will judge you if you don't meet those standards. | ||
| That's just real clear, too. | ||
| So, it's very dangerous to pick and choose anything, whether it's in history, in theology, or in government. | ||
| You can't pick and choose. | ||
| You have to accept the whole thing. | ||
| That's what they call the tenor of teaching. | ||
| You can't pick and choose the doctrines you like. | ||
| You have to have the tenor of the whole teaching of the Bible, all 66 books. | ||
| That's His Word. | ||
| You read all of it, not part of it. | ||
| Yep, you got a great tenor, brother. | ||
| I want to close in one more point that I just find fascinating intellectually. | ||
| I taught history of thought and ethics and whatever, and the Greeks clearly were given tremendous intellectual gifts, right? | ||
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| Socrates, Plato, Aristotle. | ||
| And they centered around a thing called the Logos, which is fascinating, right? | ||
| And Plato had the Ascent of the Soul, and the Logos was reason at work. | ||
| And they could never square the circle, right? | ||
| Plato could never define With knowledge terms, what the realm of the forms was, right? | ||
| He couldn't bring it down and nail a definition. | ||
| And in the Bible, for me it's fascinating that Jesus is that logos. | ||
| He is the one that unifies God, not the realm of the forms, but a personal God. | ||
| In history. | ||
| And these days, mental illness is across the board, right? | ||
| The numbers are staggering because people are missing that connection, I think, that grounds them between earth and heaven and gives them an absolute certainty of what is true. | ||
| And so I'd just love to hear your commentary on that grounding that has given people sanity versus the insanity we're seeing in the modern world today. | ||
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You know, I think part of it is you go to, we believe that God is the creator. | |
| And if he's the creator, he creates things to work a certain way. | ||
| It's like, I can't use a shovel as a screwdriver. | ||
| It's just not going to work. | ||
| And I can't use a hammer as a can opener. | ||
| It's not going to work either. | ||
| So the creator made things to work and function a certain way. | ||
| And if you know what that way is, it works a whole lot better. | ||
| There was a book that came out back in 1961 that I find very fascinating because it's a science book. | ||
| It's a science book over medicine. | ||
| We mentioned 613 laws. | ||
| Part of those 613 laws was a very extensive health code that God gave. | ||
| Now you got to remember that the The primary thinkers of that day in medicine were the Egyptians and were others, and, you know, it's taking part of a ground lizard and add it to a toasted frog, and that was their medicine. | ||
| And so God comes out in Mount Sinai and says, here's what you're going to do. | ||
| Here's communicable diseases. | ||
| There are times when you're going to wear a mask. | ||
| So, you know, COVID people thought that was weird. | ||
| Well, there's times when the Bible says you have to wear a mask so you don't contaminate. | ||
| God knew germs before they ever knew what they were. | ||
| He talked about it. | ||
| He gave them a code. | ||
| This doctor in 1961 says, here's the God's code and here's how science today has proven it's right. | ||
| When people get reconnected with God, they get back to their purpose, they work better, they feel better, they have less depression, less suicides, they're more successful. | ||
| You have to know why you're created and what you're supposed to do. | ||
| Outstanding. | ||
| Outstanding. | ||
| Thanks for giving us the tenor of faith, David Barton. | ||
| Just a gift to the church and to humanity. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| And now we're going to Rosemary Jenks. | ||
| You bet, Dave. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Rosemary Jenks was with us this morning on the show and laid out the This immigration accountability project gave us several of the bullets that are hurting the country, the fentanyl crossing the border, the amnesty bills. | ||
| Rosemary, why don't you, in closing, in a couple minutes, tell us what is your new group doing, how do people get a hold of you, and how do they support you? | ||
| Thanks, Dave. | ||
| The Immigration Accountability Project is a nonprofit designed to hold elected officials accountable for their actions on immigration. | ||
| So, we are new. | ||
| We're a startup. | ||
| We are hoping to get the support from the War Room Posse, but we intend to call out members of Congress who do the wrong thing on immigration. | ||
| We are going to hold them accountable when they say dumb things, when they represent employers rather than workers. | ||
| Of course, employers have every incentive to want cheaper labor, but the government's job is not to provide them with cheaper labor or to subsidize them or to force taxpayers to subsidize them. | ||
| So we're going to be holding people accountable for all of that. | ||
| It's time the Biden-Harris administration has done everything in its power to wreck our country through immigration, and we need to turn that around, and we need to hold people accountable who are getting in the way of turning that around. | ||
| Yeah, well said. | ||
| The moneyed interests, right, the war room, the populist movement, is a self-chosen brawl with the moneyed interests who are not looking out for America. | ||
| So Rosemary Jenks just said the major piece. | ||
| She's fighting for you with the Immigration Accountability Project. | ||
| So please go visit and support her at IAProject.org. | ||
| Money is the minority interest. | ||
| The minority doesn't get to make the law. | ||
| The majority in a republic make the law. | ||
| Rosemary Jenks, thanks for all you do for our great country. | ||
| Please go support Rosemary right now. | ||
| And thanks for all you do out there, right? | ||
| Steve Bannon has put you in the boardroom. | ||
| He's given you a seat at the table. | ||
| And we're thankful to God for all of you on The War Room for tuning in every day. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
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