July 5, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies. | |
| Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
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I know you don't like hearing that. | |
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved! | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | |
| Good morning. Friday, 5th of July, Anno Domini, 2024. | ||
| Big news today is the results of the UK general election. | ||
| Sir Keir Starmer is now Prime Minister. | ||
| Rishi Sunak has announced he'll be standing down as leader of the Conservative Party, not immediately, in an orderly fashion. | ||
| I think the headline figures will be going, hopefully, to Rahim and Ben Berkram, who are presently with Nigel Farage, Member of Parliament, at a press conference. | ||
| We'll be going to them at some point, if we can resolve a couple of technical issues first. | ||
| But I thought I'd just quickly break down what I think are the immediate takeaways on this. | ||
| For me, the first statistic is this, of importance, that reform UK, a new party formed not so long ago, wasn't even around at the last general election, came second to the Labour Party in 90 seats out of 650, which is a phenomenal result. | ||
| It has four MPs now. | ||
| And just to quickly take a look at this, I just want to break this down. | ||
| 9.6 million votes went to Labour. | ||
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9.6 million. | |
| They got 410 seats. | ||
| Slightly less than that. | ||
| 6.7 million votes to the Tories. | ||
| They got 119 seats. | ||
| This is all a consequence of the first-past-the-post system that we have in the UK. | ||
| And that you have in America as well. | ||
| And in fact, by the way, I'll interrupt myself to say that Nigel Farage has just come out and called for electoral reform in the UK. | ||
| And there are a number of other smaller parties that have been pushing the electoral reform issue for quite some time. | ||
| We'll find out whether they're going to be able to work together on that. | ||
| Four million votes, that's about 42-43% of what the Labour Party got, came out with, for reform, four seats. | ||
| So they got about 40-45% of the votes that Labour had, and they came out with less than a hundredth of the parliamentary representation. | ||
| Less votes than reform, 3.5 million votes, for the Liberal Democrats, the traditional progressive-ish, or radically woke progressive-ish traditional third party in UK politics. | ||
| They came out with 71 seats. | ||
| So we'll be breaking those results down with Raheem, who is there, Raheem Kassam, who is there in Clacton with Nigel. | ||
| But first, let's discuss something that we'd wanted to talk about to break down Last week on the show, we just weren't able to do it, and that is in the Netherlands, because we're following this populist nationalist movement as it's breaking waves right across the European continent. | ||
| Over in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders, who has been under armed guard for 20 years in fear of his life from Islamic militants, has for the first time broken through this Cordon Sanitaire, and we'll be discussing what exactly that is in just a few moments. | ||
| He's broken through this pushing to one side by the mainstream parties, and they're portioning out of 15 ministerial seats in the Netherlands. | ||
| Crete Wilders, Freedom Party, That's fine. | ||
| With me to discuss this is author and journalist Sid Lucason. | ||
| Sid, good morning to you. | ||
| Thank you for joining us. | ||
| Could you just sort of break down for the War Room Posse. | ||
| How important is this? | ||
| After years of trying to not even recognize the existence of Geert Wilders, all the popular support behind him, this guy now has five out of 15 ministerial positions. | ||
| How important is this in the Netherlands? | ||
| And what does it mean for the next five years? | ||
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Hi, thank you so much for inviting me into the program. | |
| Yeah, I'm happy to be of service and elucidate the situation for you. | ||
| So, in the Netherlands, we have different chambers where the representation of the public takes place. | ||
| The most important, which one, is the Tweede Kamer, so it's the House of Parliament. | ||
| Where the people have a directly representative system. | ||
| So unlike United States and unlike UK, you need an X amount of votes to get a seat. | ||
| So the total amount of seats is then divided by the total amount of votes. | ||
| So it's a representative system in a way. | ||
| And Geert Wilders made a huge win. | ||
| In the elections, he does not have an absolute majority. | ||
| Because for an absolute majority, you would need 75 out of or 76 out of 150 seats, which never happens and never happened before in the history of Dutch Parliament. | ||
| However, he's very close to a big majority. | ||
| He's roughly 40 votes. | ||
| So it's almost a third. | ||
| And then there were opinion polls recently where Geert Wilders, PVV, Partij voor de Vrijheid, Freedom Party, went as much as up to one third of the votes. | ||
| So in the recent opinion polls, even after the election. | ||
| So after the elections, when negotiations about the government started, he became even more popular. | ||
| The people recognized that Geert Wilders, instead of just trying to be polarizing now, wanted to be constructive. | ||
| He actually set forth to become part of a governing coalition together with other right-wing parties. | ||
| He wants to actually take initiative, take responsibility to form a government, which is what many people actually found that quite surprising. | ||
| As normally PVV, it's considered kind of a cult, given that Geert Wilders is the only member of his party and all the others who carry official functions for the | ||
| party are basically only doing this on personal courtesy, personal mandates of Geert Wilders as he | ||
| is the only member of his party. | ||
| So it gave quite some troubles in setting up this government and actually appointing these ministries. | ||
| Sid, can I just stop you on that? | ||
| He is the only member of the party. | ||
| The party belongs to him. | ||
| I guess his reasoning is in order to be absolutely sure that he has control over this political movement that he started, he founded, and that is very much in his own image, in order not for there to be some kind of sort of coup, At some point in the future. | ||
| That is the reason why he's the only member of this party. | ||
| It means that he's totally secure now and that the deep states won't be able to make an approach to one of his parliamentary colleagues to try and stab him in the back and assume the mantle of leadership. | ||
| Is that the reasoning? | ||
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No, the exact opposite of that actually happened, Ben. | |
| The exact opposite happened. | ||
| Because what happened is that his governing coalition party, which is the Farmers' Party, the party for a new social contract and the Liberal Party, which is his three coalition friends' parties, They actually banned Geert Wilders from becoming the new prime minister. | ||
| So they had to push someone other than Geert. | ||
| Even though Geert won the elections, the parties that he is in a coalition with don't want him. | ||
| To be the official leader of the cabinet. | ||
| They don't want him to be the premier of the Netherlands. | ||
| That's a different discussion. | ||
| We can talk a lot about that as well. | ||
| As to the why. | ||
| Because it does mean that the leaders of the political parties stay in parliament to control their coalition government. | ||
| Which means that they actually have to profile themselves more ideologically. | ||
| So I suppose that this means that Geert Wilders does not become the new premier. | ||
| That he has to make discussions more ideological. | ||
| More about party programs. | ||
| Which is a different break. | ||
| with Dutch politics thus far. | ||
| But instead they pointed as premier a former member of the Labour Party who gave up his leadership some time ago and it was actually the member of the secret services. | ||
| So now the new premier of the Netherlands called Dick Schoof is actually the former chief of the military security agency and also the Dutch secret intelligence services. | ||
| So normally you would expect something like this, as someone actually has the power behind the curtain, the deep state, the CIA, the FBI and so on, or Putin in Russia, for instance. | ||
| KGB, former KGB, you would expect that sort of thing not to happen in a Western democracy. | ||
| But actually now, yes, the former head. | ||
| of Secret Services is now suddenly a head of the Dutch cabinet, a new prime minister of the Netherlands. | ||
| And another member that Geert Wilders actually had and wanted to push forward, Giedi Markus Sauer. | ||
| Geert Wilders got a file apparently by the Secret Services that listed some things about this guy, Giedi Markus Sauer, that apparently he was in touch with the Israeli Intelligence, no one really knows. | ||
| And then Geert Wilders looked at this file that he got from Secret Service and said, oh no, I cannot put him forward for minister any longer. | ||
| So he had to actually retract one of his minister's suggestions and put other people in favor and suggest other candidates for this position. | ||
| So there actually is a lot of influence of the Deep State, the Dutch Secret Services Intelligence Society, on the formation of this cabinet. | ||
| It's actually very unprecedented in Dutch politics that this happens. | ||
| Normally it's much more politicized, that it's people who are already serving as city councilor or serving as a deputy in provinces or so on, that all these people are put forward for ministerial positions, people with a distinct political profile. | ||
| But because Geert Wilders doesn't really have a party, he is a one-man party, he has to get people from other positions. | ||
| So that's why suddenly there now is Dick Schoof, former head of secret services, who is suddenly being pushed forward, candidated as head of government. | ||
| Just to be precise, I was asking about the fact that Kurt Wilders is the only member now of the PVV. | ||
| That means that there's no one in the party that can remove him. | ||
| Like, for example, there was in what is now the last parliament in the UK, Boris Johnson resigned as leader of the party because he was going to be no confidence by the parliamentary party. | ||
| They got him out. | ||
| Having lost the position of leader of the party, it was then inevitable that he would cease to be Prime Minister if he hadn't resigned as Prime Minister. | ||
| This can't happen. | ||
| This can't happen with Kurt Vildersley, can it? | ||
| This can't happen with Gert Wilders. | ||
| His position as leader of the Freedom Party is secure. | ||
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Were they consulted on this decision? | |
| So what you're describing about Boris Johnson, it seems more like some party elites, some members of parliament suddenly conspired against Johnson. | ||
| But were actually the members of the Tory party, were actually the members consulted on this decision to oust Boris Johnson or not? | ||
| Or was it just a random decision by some guys in Parliament? | ||
| It was a vote. | ||
| If I remember correctly, Sidi, it was the Parliamentary Party and not the party membership. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If I remember correctly, I'm fairly sure that the party membership voted for Liz Truss, then she resigned, and then the parliamentary party imposed Rishi Sunak. | ||
| If I remember it correctly, the party membership. | ||
| Never elected. | ||
| But I want to drill down on this. | ||
| In the Dutch situation, Kurt Wilders is absolutely secure as leader of the Freedom Party. | ||
| There's no one being the sole member of it. | ||
| There's no one the owner of it. | ||
| There's nobody that can stab him in the back. | ||
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It's true. | |
| Yeah, but it just proved that the Diebstein found other ways to influence him. | ||
| So if you want to influence the PFF, you only have to influence Geert Wilders. | ||
| And it's easy to influence Geert Wilders, because Geert Wilders is dependent on the secret services, because there are so many Muslim radicals who want to kill him, that he is dependent on the secret services for all the intelligence of every step he can take in every day of his life is mediated by Dutch intelligence services. | ||
| So it's easy actually to influence the PvP because you only have to influence builders directly. | ||
| And in the case of the Tory party, it just points out that the party has been hijacked by a bunch of elites who actually don't represent the will of the party members and that the party membership structure of the Tory party is weak. | ||
| And that it doesn't abide by what the actual members of the party want. | ||
| That's been hijacked by a corrupt elite who wants to do something else. | ||
| Of course, in Wilders' position, it's not possible for the members of parliament to really turn against him. | ||
| But at the same time, once you're elected to the parliament, then you're... Yeah. | ||
| Well, these things happened before in Dutch politics, actually. | ||
| There was a PVV split up. | ||
| I think in 2017 there were a bunch of people who split up from the PPV and they started their own fraction. | ||
| Because here's the thing. | ||
| Once you're actually elected to the parliament, you only are indebted to the constitution. | ||
| So the constitution says you can keep your seat even if you leave the party, whatever. | ||
| Your seat is your personal possession. | ||
| That's what the constitution says. | ||
| The party has no constitutional basis. | ||
| The constitution does not include any political party structure. | ||
| Sid, hold on for one minute, we'll come straight back to this, but I want to drill down on something after the break. | ||
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I would like to say first and foremost, I am sorry. | |
| I have given this job my all, but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the United Kingdom must change, and yours is the only judgement that matters. | ||
| This is a difficult day, at the end of a number of difficult days. | ||
| But I leave this job honoured to have been your Prime Minister. | ||
| This is the best country in the world. | ||
| And it is thanks entirely to you, the British people, the true source of all our achievements, our strengths, and our greatness. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Fans out there, let's... | ||
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That is what you call... | |
| Are you ready for it? | ||
| You ready? | ||
| Because I know we don't have it here in the United States. | ||
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You have no idea what it's called. | |
| That's called a peaceful transfer of power. | ||
| Actually, that's what we had in the United States of America from the late 1700s until the year 2020 when Donald Trump refused to do it. | ||
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See, it's better that way. | |
| It's better that way because you actually let the voters decide. | ||
| And that's what democracies, constitutional republics are all about. | ||
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It's midnight. | |
| There are two results in from the northeast of England that put reform on 30% of the vote. | ||
| That is way more than any possible prediction or projection. | ||
| It's almost unbelievable. | ||
| And what does it mean? | ||
| It means we're going to win seats. | ||
| Many, many seats, I think, right now across the country. | ||
| But to watch the TV coverage, it's almost comical. | ||
| There's not a single representative on there from Reform UK. | ||
| Mainstream media are in denial just as much as our political parties. | ||
| This is going to be 6 million votes plus. | ||
| This, folks, is huge. | ||
| The conservatives were rewriting the map and a lot of talk about what was happening in the United States was happening there and that it was going to change forever. | ||
| Five years later, Johnson's Tories completely wiped out. | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| And it's one of the characteristics of a parliamentary system is that it's less difficult to affect wholesale change because you essentially have a single vote. | ||
| You vote nationally and it has all sorts of repercussions. | ||
| And as Zannie pointed out, what's so interesting about this vote is if you add up the Tories and Farage's reform movement, the conservatives, if you count them all as conservatives, were pretty competitive with Labour. | ||
| It was really a lot of this was to The other thing is where you began. | ||
| I had the same reaction you did. | ||
| But your point's exactly right, Joe. | ||
| And it's a little bit more difficult to bring that about here because we have all the separate | ||
| elections for Congress. | ||
| The other thing is where you began. | ||
| I had the same reaction you did. | ||
| The concession speech by the outgoing prime minister had grace notes. | ||
| He was generous towards his successor. | ||
| He talked about how remarkable a country Britain was as someone such as himself, given his roots in India. | ||
| He talked about his daughters lighting Diwali candles at 10 Downing Street. | ||
| It was a remarkably generous, gracious comment. | ||
| To me, I actually found it poignant. | ||
| As an American. | ||
| How we no longer have quite those grace notes, shall we say, in American politics. | ||
| Well, Mr. Returning Officer, all here at tendering. | ||
| And I have to say, fellow candidates, it's been a well-run, well-thought, and remarkably clean election battle. | ||
| I think we'd all agree on that. | ||
| And thank you for your services. | ||
| I promise that I will do my absolute best as a Member of Parliament. | ||
| I had 20 years as an MEP but it's not quite the same link or same responsibility with constituents. | ||
| I will do my absolute best to put Clacton on the map. | ||
| I'll do my best to bring more tourists. | ||
| I'll do my best to try and bring some private investment. | ||
| It's over 30 years ago that I fought my first parliamentary by-election, and I've fought lots of them over the years, and I've had big successes in European elections, and perhaps less so under first-past-the-post, which is a very demanding, very, very demanding problem for smaller parties. | ||
| I will say this, it's four weeks and three days since I decided to come out of retirement and throw my hat in the ring. | ||
| I think what Reform UK has achieved in those just few short weeks is truly extraordinary. | ||
| Given that we had no money, No branch structure. | ||
| Virtually nothing across the country. | ||
| We are going to come second in hundreds of constituencies. | ||
| How many seats we're going to win, I don't know. | ||
| But to have done this in such a short space of time says something very fundamental is happening. | ||
| It's not just disappointment with the Conservative Party. | ||
| There is a massive gap on the centre right of British politics and my job is to fill it. | ||
| And that's exactly what I'm going to do. | ||
| But it's not just what we do in Parliament as a national party that matters. | ||
| It's what we do out round the country. | ||
| Getting 5,000 people in that room in Birmingham last week, the energy, the optimism, the enthusiasm, the belief that Westminster is just completely out of touch with ordinary people says to me that my plan is to build a mass national movement over the course of the next few years and hopefully be big enough to challenge the general election properly in 2029. | ||
| What is interesting is there's no enthusiasm for Labour, there's no enthusiasm for Starmer whatsoever. | ||
| In fact, about half of the vote is simply an anti-Conservative vote. | ||
| This Labour government will be in trouble very, very quickly. | ||
| We will now be targeting Labour votes. | ||
| We're coming for Labour. | ||
| Be in no doubt about that. | ||
| I want to thank the team that have helped me do this over the last few weeks. | ||
| My fellow candidates for behaving as impeccably as they have. | ||
| Believe me folks, this is just the first step of something that is going to stun all of you. | ||
| History being made there in the UK. | ||
| We'll be breaking this down with Raheem and Peter McIlvenna shortly. | ||
| Stand by for that. | ||
| If I can just finish off, please. | ||
| Sid, with what you were saying, I've got an article, if Denver would be very kind just to put it up here, because this is very illustrative, this is The Guardian here, saying that the new Dutch government sworn in amid concerns over far-right ministers. | ||
| There seems to be, this is something that we do on The War Room, we do follow the populist-nationalist wave, as we have been doing for years, as it breaks across the various countries in continental Europe. | ||
| And we look at the similarities, the commonalities, and the common denominator in all of these populist nationalist movements is immigration. | ||
| That is a fundamental issue that that bind these various iterations together, these non-establishment right, centre-right parties together. | ||
| But we also look at the differences, and if, just in a couple of minutes, can you just sort of, it is my instinct that when the Guardian says that the Freedom Party is right-wing, I think that's really missing the point. | ||
| Is it true that Kurt Wilders isn't free? | ||
| I mean, he's not like, for example, Giorgio Maloney here in Italy. | ||
| He doesn't have a background within the reformed fascist movement. | ||
| This guy seems to me to be a progressive liberal who entered politics because he saw in militant Islam a threat against the liberal values that motivates him. | ||
| Is that an accurate reading or not? | ||
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Well, we have to keep in mind that Geert Wilders had actually a long career with the VVD, the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy, that he's now in coalition with. | |
| So there's actually some videos of Geert Wilders still saying things like, well, Islam is just a religion like any other religion. | ||
| How can you call this an existential threat to liberties? | ||
| But quickly after he got in a disagreement with the VVD, and there was disagreement about the Turkish entry to the EU. | ||
| So he said, I am per definition against Turkish accession to the EU. | ||
| Then he split off and started his own Freedom Party, the PVV. | ||
| And now, many decades later, he is governing a coalition with his own PVV and his VVD, former party. | ||
| And, yeah, Geert Wilders, is he a conservative guy? | ||
| Is he a true patriot and so on? | ||
| Well, it's a bit muddled in a way. | ||
| So, Geert Wilders has some conservative instincts. | ||
| He's a bit more on the conservative side when it comes to things like the EU. | ||
| He's very much pro-national sovereignty. | ||
| He's very critical about transnational cooperation. | ||
| He's very critical about things like development aid. | ||
| But within the PVV there is fierce discussion going on even running up to the elections. | ||
| The PVV was internally divided about things like transgenderism for children. | ||
| Should children be having sex changes and from what age and how much freedom should parents have to decide this and so on. | ||
| His party was internally very divided on issues like that. | ||
| It is kind of true that PVV is mainly anti-Islam, anti-immigration, and then a bit more about healthcare and a little bit anti-EU sentiment into the mix. | ||
| But that's pretty much it. | ||
| So if you're going to say, hey, what's the opinion about PVV on the economy? | ||
| Or what's the opinion of PVV on things like digitalization? | ||
| There isn't much to go about. | ||
| It's not an ideological party. | ||
| It's not really, it doesn't have its own think tank, for example. | ||
| It doesn't have a membership structure. | ||
| And because it does not have a membership structure, it does not gain any subsidies. | ||
| So it doesn't have any think tank platform. | ||
| It has no magazines or no academic branches whatsoever. | ||
| It's mainly direct communication with the media. | ||
| Geert Wilders making statements, usually polarizing statements. | ||
| And then that resonates with the audience. | ||
| And then there's a sort of political direction coming out of that. | ||
| That's how it operates, this party, yes. | ||
| But Sid, the point is that he's not a proto-fascist. | ||
| That's the point I want to make. | ||
| There's nothing in his political background that makes him a proto-fascist, which is what I think the mainstream media seems to do. | ||
| They put everybody who's anti-immigration in the same box and treat everything as if it's monolithic. | ||
| Well, of course it's not. | ||
| Sid, I'm very grateful for you coming on the show and breaking this down for us, because there are subtleties here. | ||
| What's happening in the Netherlands is extremely important within the mix of the European Union generally. | ||
| Where can people get up with all the stuff that you're putting out on social media? | ||
| Do you want to say a quick word about the various books that you've written? | ||
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Yes, thank you so much for this opportunity, Ben. | |
| I've written some books, mainly Dutch books. | ||
| I still want to publish my English books. | ||
| But yeah, I need some support from that, preferably from the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, to help me get my books out also in English. | ||
| To make them accessible to the English world, people can follow me on my Telegram page. | ||
| I have my own Telegram page, Dr. Sid Kanaal. | ||
| I have a LinkedIn account, Sid Lukassen. | ||
| You can find me on LinkedIn. | ||
| I've written many books on things like digitalization, light culture, culture Marxism, identity, so many things. | ||
| My PhD was about democracy and the conditions of communication. | ||
| And I really hope that I can get in touch with people from... | ||
| Shit, thank you very much. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | ||
| Welcome back, folks. | ||
| We've now got Peter McIlvenna, the great legendary host of Hearts of Oak. | ||
| I have been very grateful to have been invited on a number of Occasions to be as outrageous as I think I can get away with being. | ||
| The honour today, however, is for me to be host of PETA, which is the first. | ||
| PETA, you're very welcome here. | ||
| I know you've been on the show many times before. | ||
| It's a historic day in the UK, right? | ||
| Behind all of the statistics and the meltdown of the toy party and everything. | ||
| There are some sort of rather anomalous results. | ||
| Jeremy Corbyn's back in. | ||
| George Galloway's out. | ||
| Tory party's vote totally imploded. | ||
| I think that's probably one of the principal takeaways of the results. | ||
| The Labour Party got less votes in absolute terms than they did in 2019. | ||
| What are your takeaways on this, Peter? | ||
| Well, it's great to see you in the hot seat, Ben. | ||
| Great to be with you, as always. | ||
| So there, obviously, our results came out quite quickly. | ||
| Can I just mention that, actually, we get ours all counted. | ||
| And I know you wish, actually, you were able to do that. | ||
| But we actually, we have a rush to get those votes in. | ||
| And you see people running with the boxes of ballots, trying to count them to get them in. | ||
| I think Sunderland usually is first and was first. | ||
| up in the northeast. | ||
| So there are a lot of, it's a gloomy day, it's gloomy in weather, it's torrential rain outside, but it's gloomy in terms of outlook because we are going to have five years of woke on steroids. | ||
| It's really concerning where we are going to that. | ||
| Massive majority, over 400 seats for Labour, 170 majority, That's kind of the huge black cloud that we have. | ||
| Now there are a lot of silver linings within that. | ||
| And obviously the first silver lining is that people didn't really vote for Labour. | ||
| In fact, If you look at only 52% actually turned out to vote. | ||
| So we've got 48 million registered voters. | ||
| I'm sure you've covered some of these stats, but only 52% actually turned out to vote. | ||
| So if you look at the Labour vote, Labour got 33% of all the votes cast, but only 52% voted. | ||
| So you've got a government that's in on 20% of those who are eligible to vote actually wanted them. | ||
| So our government is in With one-fifth of the voting population saying we want them, that shows a massive disconnect. | ||
| And it's down about five percentage points down on 2019. | ||
| And I think the silver lining is people have not voted for Labour. | ||
| They haven't voted for Keir Stormer because they don't know who he is. | ||
| He doesn't know who he is, so why would we know? | ||
| He doesn't know what a woman is, so he hardly knows what he is or what he's for, the poor guy. | ||
| But he is in there through strange circumstances. | ||
| That the Tories imploding, part of it seems to be intentionally, and this has been handed to Keir Stormer. | ||
| He's taken this. | ||
| I saw Nigel Farage tweeted an hour ago, he said Keir Stormer checked his notes 150 times in his speech outside Downing Street. | ||
| That's every 2.8 seconds. | ||
| And this shows where we are. | ||
| You've got an individual that is now in charge and doesn't know really how to do it. | ||
| One, doesn't enjoy the limelight, so he's the opposite of Nigel. | ||
| But two, he is not a big character and he doesn't seem to have that confidence. | ||
| Now, he may grow into that, but he hasn't grown into it as Labour leader over his time. | ||
| Someone like Nigel, of course, has that We have an individual who is stuttery, who isn't confident, doesn't know what his vision is. | ||
| So that, to me, that's partially the silver lining that is as concerned as any Brit may be this morning that we are now under the dark clouds of Labour government for the next five years. | ||
| They're not very sure what to do with it. | ||
| Similar to Boris in 2019, whenever he got in charge, the people thought, wonderful, but you're an individual who didn't know what to do with that power. | ||
| And I think that maybe Keir Starmer doesn't know what to do with that power either. | ||
| That's one big takeaway. | ||
| Lots of others, reform doing well, alternative media doing well, lots of other good takeaways. | ||
| But for me, that's the one. | ||
| It's not for Labour, it's actually against the Tories. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, my takeaway is pretty much exactly the same thing. | ||
| I phrased it slightly differently. | ||
| It's that the Tory vote absolutely imploded. | ||
| The Tory party's vote has absolutely imploded. | ||
| And I think if you're going to say, well, what conclusions do you draw from that? | ||
| I would say it's basically that the British people have rejected There's a notional centre-right party that has the attitude of, we will tell you what we are going to give you. | ||
| What you might want is immaterial to us. | ||
| We will tell you what we're going to give you, and you will accept it. | ||
| You will be happy, in Klaus Schwab's famous words. | ||
| And I think that has really gone down very badly. | ||
| As you say, the Labour Party took a percentage Of 33%. | ||
| Margaret Thatcher in 83, I think she got 44% of the nation. | ||
| In 1983, I think she got 44% of the nation's votes. | ||
| It's a totally different, totally different... | ||
| There are different ways in the UK. | ||
| We first passed the systems of securing a mandate. | ||
| And there are very, very different ways. | ||
| It's a very different way that the Labour Party has obtained its mandate. | ||
| What do you think about the interplay then between the Tories now and reform? | ||
| And indeed between Labour and reform? | ||
| Because in 90 seats, Reform now came second to Labour. | ||
| How do you think this dynamic is going to play out? | ||
| Do you think, Peter, that what yesterday has marked a new paradigm in British electoral politics, in British politics, is there now a new paradigm in play in a way that there wasn't with the old SDP in the 1980s? | ||
| I think there is and I think there is for a number of reasons and you don't want to jump the gun, but actually this seems to be different. | ||
| One, all the parties are devoid of any way of getting us out of the financial crisis and the mass immigration crisis and the lack of identity that Britain face. | ||
| None of them have a plan. | ||
| Labour don't. | ||
| The Tories certainly don't. | ||
| The Tories have got us into this mess, conservative in name only, have got us into this mess after 14 years. | ||
| The Lib Dems, having done well with 72 seats and the Liberal Democrats kind of centre left. | ||
| If you don't know who to vote for, you vote Lib Dems. | ||
| That's basically, they're the party to throw the rubbish in the trash bin if you don't know where to put it. | ||
| So they got 72 seats. | ||
| They've done well. | ||
| They don't really know what to do. | ||
| You've got the Green Party with four and they are Full on net zero crazy environmental activists. | ||
| They know what they want to do and they will drive ahead. | ||
| Reform also know what they want to do. | ||
| Why do I think this is different than any other time? | ||
| I think it's different in that Nigel you've got a leader who is charismatic who engages with the people and has gone | ||
| has done has got the party where they are in six weeks. So in six | ||
| weeks ago they had what 8 percent in the polls maybe. Now they've | ||
| doubled that. They had some name recognition but not that much. Richard Tice isn't the strongest of leaders. Let's | ||
| put it simply. | ||
| Nigel steps back into the ring and there's there isn't another politician who has the level of name recognition | ||
| that Nigel has. | ||
| And it's Marmite, you hate him or loathe him, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Actually, people know who he is. | ||
| And because I think it's something different, because of the situation we find ourselves in, that there is no solution for the mess we're in. | ||
| And the crazy woke ideology, the pendulum having swung too far, I think, certainly on the trans ideology, And reform or common sense, they're calling it as it is. | ||
| The issue in the UK is we have tribal voting and we don't have, we have stuck with that uni party of left and more left, of red and blue, Labour Conservative. | ||
| And generally people haven't moved away from that. | ||
| In some elections we've had 88% voting for that bloc. | ||
| We now have a new game in town, rebranded from the Brexit Party, and Nigel's used social media better than anyone else. | ||
| I mean, the hits that Nigel's had on social media is like three times more than the other parties have had together. | ||
| He is set at a blaze. | ||
| He is connected with Gen Z voters as well, using TikTok, using social media in a way that the others cannot do. | ||
| And Nigel has Not Nigel himself. | ||
| Nigel's probably a technophobe, but actually he has brought a team around and this is what it's all about. | ||
| No matter how good Nigel may be, if he doesn't have a team behind him that can actually have 650 candidates running across the country, that can actually run a media campaign, that can actually hit home with the voters. | ||
| If you don't have that, then actually you won't get anywhere. | ||
| Nigel's built up a whole team and I think Into that vacuum that we find ourselves into the UK, you have an exciting proposition of reform, and they'll only get bigger and bigger. | ||
| Their membership will grow, their publicity will grow. | ||
| I can see them growing bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| And people say, actually reforming the party, I want to join up. | ||
| I want to become a member. | ||
| Donors will come. | ||
| And Nigel will pull in like a magnet. | ||
| People, donors, and publicity. | ||
| Okay, on this point now, firstly, you mentioned the The lack of charisma between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer. | ||
| And seeing them debate, it's like watching two Daleks having a pillow fight. | ||
| Each one of them is more charismatic. | ||
| Perhaps Rishi Sunak is more autistic as a Dalek than Keir Starmer, but neither of them are compelling speakers. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| And Nigel Farage is. | ||
| In the two minutes that we've got left before we go to the break, do you think there's a sort of a parallel between how on the central right of the political spectrum you have a charismatic leader that is bringing people into, reinvigorating people and bringing them into a movement in the same way that Donald Trump is doing in the United States? | ||
| Oh, there is huge. | ||
| And I saw Donald Trump sent a message of congratulations to Nigel Farage. | ||
| It wasn't to the new Prime Minister, that's so Trump. | ||
| So yes, there is. | ||
| And that battle on the right, the Tories have utterly failed. | ||
| No matter who they put in, I cannot see them winning against Nigel, even if they put Kemi Patnock in, who's wonderful on many issues, but turned on Nigel. | ||
| I think that will do her damage. | ||
| She's one of the only ones standing on the right of the party. | ||
| So I think Nigel has stolen it from the Conservative Party. | ||
| And the anger you could see online is why are the Tory party splitting the vote? | ||
| It's not why are reform cutting in and taking votes away from Conservatives. | ||
| No, why is the Conservative Party taking away votes from Reform, because reforms speak common sense, connect with small government, connect with low taxes, connect with butt out of my life, let me get on and stop regulating and controlling and mandating everything I do. | ||
| That appeals to those on the right, those common sense individuals that have traditionally voted Conservative. | ||
| The Conservatives haven't conserved anything, so Nigel steps into that vacuum and he is the one for the right. | ||
| And no matter who the Conservatives put in power, I don't think people will forgive them for what they've done and I don't think they can compete against Nigel because Nigel is the man of the moment and I think he's the man going forward to 2029. | ||
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| I'm going to come back though and I'm going to ask you the question now, OK? | ||
| In the same way that Brexit prefigured in 2015, prefigured the Trump victory in 2016, do you see any potential parallel between this huge result that he's achieved, and it has been him and his charisma, do you see any parallel perhaps between yesterday's result in the UK and what portends on the 5th of November? | ||
| Hold by, please Peter, we'll come back after the break and we'll hear your thoughts to that question. | ||
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| So, look, do you think there is a parallel between Nigel Farage's incredible result yesterday and a possible, hopeful, presumed Donald Trump super victory In November, in the same way that Brexit heralded Trump's first electoral win? | ||
| I think so, but I think as amazing Brexit was and a hard-fought battle, a long time to win that, that was just, that was the UK, yes, connected to Europe and the UK getting free to some extent from Europe. | ||
| But we've seen something even wider because what we're seeing in the UK has come after those huge results across Europe. | ||
| So you've got a populist wave that's come across Europe. | ||
| I know, Ben, you've reported on this numerous times. | ||
| We have seen something happen in the UK with the Conservative Party's chest of ideas laid bare. | ||
| And people have, by 4 million, voted for reform. | ||
| And remember, UKIP at its height got 12.8%. | ||
| Reform got 14.4%, I think. | ||
| That was done in six weeks, putting together. | ||
| So imagine what is going to come to play by 2029. | ||
| So there's a great ground game for Nigel to play. | ||
| And Nigel said he wanted to look at the US elections in November. | ||
| Initially, he was not going to get involved in the UK because he sees that those elections in the US are pivotal, not only to those in the US, but to us in the UK and to Europe, in fact, worldwide for the Western civilization. | ||
| And I don't think it's saying it too strongly. | ||
| The vote in America to make sure Donald Trump gets back in the White House is seismic. | ||
| And I think this in the UK, Nigel has done something huge. | ||
| He has It would have been easier to focus on the US election because that's where the enthusiasm is. | ||
| We don't have a migrant movement. | ||
| We don't have that size of patriot movement in the UK as you have in the US. | ||
| And we are extremely jealous for that. | ||
| But Nigel is building something here. | ||
| And with this vote, 4 million, 14 and a half percent, he has done that from a standing start in six weeks. | ||
| And I think that, preceded by the vote across Europe, actually leads into those U.S. | ||
| elections in November. | ||
| And I think it's really exciting because President Trump can have a connection, a bridge with Europe that he did not have whenever he was president the first time. | ||
| So now, with those rise of populism, if we see Marine Le Pen doing very well in France, you think at FPO and Austria top, you've got obviously Orban being the man over in Hungary. | ||
| You've got Giorgio Moloney understanding how the game is played and I think has played it fairly well, although maybe slower than we would have wanted. | ||
| But actually all those figures across Europe and then the AFD in Germany, that means that blocks, that blocking in Europe, because all due to the groupings, that means there is a launchpad, a connection with Europe, with the US, that there wasn't before. | ||
| And I think President Trump going into the White House In January, he is going to have a relationship and a connection with Europe that he did not have before. | ||
| And that is extremely positive. | ||
| And of course, we'll see what happens with Nigel being in Westminster. | ||
| Well, the last time Trump was not afforded a proper visit to the UK, it was downgraded. | ||
| Well, I think Nigel will maybe just invite him over, give him a tour of Parliament. | ||
| They understand politics like few others in the Western world. | ||
| That connection is intriguing, not only in a friendship level, but in a vision level for what we need to see for countries. | ||
| And I think, yes, what we're seeing in Europe, what we're seeing in the UK is the starter gun for what we're expecting huge success in the US in those November elections. | ||
| Thanks, Peter. | ||
| Look, my final observation, this occurred to me just as you were talking, right? | ||
| I bet the autistic Tory party, the autistic parliamentary party, ought to be looking back on its decision to treat with contempt the idea of naming Nigel Farage as His Majesty's ambassador to Washington as a missed opportunity for them. | ||
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| Because they could have done it. | ||
| They didn't because they wanted to show instead how much contempt they had for him. | ||
| How smart are they feeling now? | ||
| OK, look, I just want to leave the last word to the Financial Times headline. | ||
| Starmer stands supreme, but he cannot ignore the reform surge. | ||
| I think that sums it up well there in the FT. | ||
| Peter, a minute left. | ||
| How do folks get hold of you? | ||
| I know you've got an interesting guest coming up on the show tomorrow. | ||
| All our shows are interesting, Ben. | ||
| Come on, you're on that often. | ||
| That shows how interesting we are. | ||
| We have lots of guests. | ||
| On Thursday, we have Dr. Shay Bradley-File with us from Conjure Point Institute. | ||
| Love what she is doing, engaging in Hungary, very much part of CPAC Hungary. | ||
| On Saturday, we have Betty. | ||
| Betty is a high-profile figure here in the UK. | ||
| She's been on before. | ||
| Love having her on. | ||
| Love her posts she puts on Twitter. | ||
| So she's joining us, obviously, on |
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