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June 26, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 3714: Weak Rulings From SCOTUS; Fact Checking Biden For The Debate
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unidentified
You said the other day that millions of people would die if Donald Trump got re-elected.
What did that say?
Millions of people would die if Donald Trump got re-elected.
What's up with that?
What proof do you have to say something like that?
Oh my goodness.
Who would say anything bad about Trump?
Nobody would say anything bad about Trump.
Why do you say bad things about Trump?
I mean, you just can't say people are gonna die.
You're a really powerful woman, so like, when you say things like that, people get really scared.
No, no, what I said was, Bannon told Trump that the way to win is you gotta Play the race card.
You just talk about race and you'll win.
That's what Bannon said.
Well, the article said you said millions of people would die, and I pulled the clip.
maxine waters
Thousands, maybe millions of people, you know, being threatened and being at risk because of Donald Trump.
unidentified
So you didn't say that.
Video doesn't lie, Congresswoman.
What we said was what Bannon said.
I don't think so.
I think so.
kaitlan collins
This evening that the House of Representatives is weighing in and actually taking an official position on what we're on the verge of seeing happening on Monday.
Steve Bannon reporting to prison for defying a congressional subpoena and failing to respond to that.
Can you confirm that the House is expected to take an official position on that?
And if so, what is it?
mike johnson
I can confirm that.
We'll be filing a brief in that legal proceeding.
We think that's really important to do.
We think the previous statement of the House under Speaker Pelosi was incorrect.
We do not believe the January 6th Special Committee was properly constituted.
We don't think it followed the House rules.
And now we're finding, under our own investigation, that they may have in fact covered up some evidence.
That's a great concern to a lot of people.
You'll see a lengthy report come out on that.
But in the meantime, when they're using that to prosecute people, we think it's important for the House's position to be known, the current House, and that is that we don't believe that that was a proper committee, properly constituted, that did appropriate work.
The court should take that into consideration, and I think we have an obligation to make that position known.
kaitlan collins
Do you worry that that will undercut your ability to enforce congressional subpoenas in the future, though?
mike johnson
No, not at all.
You've got two totally different matters.
I mean, we're going to court, by the way, to enforce the subpoena against Merrick Garland.
The Judiciary Committee is going to proceed in the court to make sure that the audio tape of the lengthy interview with the special counsel and President Biden is turned over to Congress.
We have a right to see it.
In fact, we have an obligation, a necessity to hear that audio, to make And of course, Steve Bannon was no longer working in the executive branch when he had his subpoena for the time period that it was relevant to.
to the House. You know, you've got a conflict between the two branches. We're using Article
unidentified
1 of the Constitution as we're supposed to do. And of course, Steve Bannon was no longer working
kaitlan collins
in the executive branch when he had his subpoena for the time period that it was relevant to. We'll
see how this pans out, how the Supreme Court takes it. We had Steve Bannon chairing the campaign.
unidentified
This cycle, Steve Bannon is on a schedule where he will be in a federal prison on election day.
He's speaking out here before reporting in.
He told the Guardian, we're the railhead of the big steal every day, every aspect of it.
We take pride in it.
There shouldn't be anybody, he says, in the Trump campaign or the Republican Party that doesn't believe in their bones the 2020 election was stolen.
That is a false claim.
If you don't believe that, he says, you missed the point.
Of where we are and why we're here.
James, what does it say about Mr. Bannon and the fate of this party?
He served in the Trump White House, that he will be incarcerated under this federal calendar on election day.
And that he's demanding that to be in any position in the party, you have to spew these lies about their past loss.
Well, he's going to have four months to contemplate everything, but I think whoever his cellmate is can make a good Eighth Amendment case.
If you remember that from Moscow, that's cruel and unusual punishment.
You have to be in the cell and smell this guy.
I think that's something out of some North Korean torture chamber, but he's going to have The boy's gonna have a lot of time to think about 2020 and his past life and whatever the future holds, because he's going to the penitentiary.
I believe for longer than four months, so... Yeah, well, it's not the only problem.
He needs to sell by himself.
Yeah, he needs to sell by himself, because he's gonna sink that jail up something fierce, I promise you.
Well, there you go.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
It's Wednesday, June 26.
You're alert 2024.
No, we're not going to have time to contemplate.
We don't contemplate.
What we do is action, action, action.
Next week, nothing is going to change.
Trust me, there's no prison in the world that can shut down the voice of the war room, the most powerful platform.
In all media, that's what they fear us, so let's keep grinding.
Honored today, it's been a couple of years.
First, it's been a couple of years since we even got you on Skype, right?
We're doing the phones.
Boris Epstein joins us for the hour.
boris epshteyn
As you can see, I've only gained in handsomeness.
steve bannon
You have, and very squared away, you look very lawyerly.
You got the three-piece suit on.
It all works.
So, historic week.
Supreme Court.
boris epshteyn
Yes.
steve bannon
Uh, cases going on all over the place and also a historic debate tomorrow night.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
Let's start with the Supreme Court.
Particularly a lot of people very disappointed in the Facebook situation today.
Now, some people say... Onstanding.
It's onstanding.
So you're saying that it never really got to the merits?
boris epshteyn
No, it never got to the merits.
It was onstanding, in some ways expected, and the court continues to take its time.
There's decision days tomorrow and Friday, but now generally seen as very possible that it goes into next week, and obviously there's two main cases, Immunity and Fisher.
steve bannon
But hang on, there's no conference scheduled for tomorrow, so that means they've done everything.
They would schedule a conference tomorrow, so they may have them backed up.
Is it too much to give Thursday and Friday?
They would have a conference if they didn't have things finished.
boris epshteyn
But generally, well, maybe yes, maybe no, they could also schedule one.
steve bannon
And also, generally... Are you repeating MSNBC?
You're getting your information wrong.
This is a warm room, baby.
There's no conference.
boris epshteyn
Chief Justice Roberts.
Usually announces the last day of the term from the bench.
steve bannon
Yes.
boris epshteyn
And he hasn't done that yet.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
So, so you don't, you don't anticipate?
boris epshteyn
It's all tea leaves.
Could it, it could easily, I mean, there's about, I believe 13 left.
Could they do, you know, seven and six?
Absolutely.
But there's 13 left.
They only did two today.
They have done, I think the largest amount they've done this term, I believe is five cases.
steve bannon
I certainly did three today because they somehow leaked the abortion one.
boris epshteyn
Just shockingly that happened.
steve bannon
I remember Dobbs.
I remember two years ago when you say that that happened.
You don't believe in coincidences?
boris epshteyn
I don't believe in conspiracies or coincidences.
As you look at this term, it's been a very interesting term in the Supreme Court.
It's been historic.
It's been historic.
Some of the decisions have been right where they were expected to be.
For example, the decision on malicious prosecution.
Some of the decisions on criminal evidence, etc.
Right on point and where they were expected.
Today, again, more on standing, more procedural.
But it's really in the end, it's all about the two main cases.
It's about Fisher and it's about immunity.
And you cannot have a presidency without immunity.
steve bannon
Let's go back.
Why has this been historic?
Last year was historic, but this year is really historic by the types of cases they take on.
boris epshteyn
Which has expanded.
steve bannon
Why is that?
Because of President Trump.
This is Trump's court.
Those young justices that are up there, particularly Gorsuch, is driving a lot of things by his opinion.
boris epshteyn
And they're settling in, too.
steve bannon
Walk through how we did that, because at the time, in the spring of 2016, Right when he came out of the primary, it was a bigger group of rhinos that didn't want to support Trump.
He's a Democrat, they're going to overthrow him at the convention.
He put the list of 10 judges up, and that was good.
Then when I came aboard, we put another 10, I think it was 12.
I think it was 12, yes.
Mike Lee was there, but Gorsuch was there.
That brought a lot of the conservatives home.
I mean, shouldn't, when you hear a lot of backtalk and backchat now with 14 or 15% of Republicans saying, well, you know, I want a Nikki Haley, etc.
You see what this court has done.
You see how they're actually driving the agenda on taking on cases.
First of all, we have the Chevron deference.
We have three massive cases, tons of important ones, five in the administrative state.
But you have the Chevron deference, which is the mac daddy of the administrative state.
You have Fisher, which I think is going to be massive.
And you have immunity, which is historic.
That's all because of the Trump court.
Why don't certain, particularly big donors see that today, that hey, you can have another
You know, Sotomayor, God bless her, but she's the first one to say all the time how ill she is.
Totally.
Talk to me about why are these people so upset with President Trump, so that 10%, that kind of rump of the old Republican Party, coming home?
boris epshteyn
A month ago it was 15%, let's say.
steve bannon
You like the trend line?
boris epshteyn
Today it's 10%.
We'll come out of convention, it'll be at 5%.
steve bannon
You don't see a Karl Rove, you don't see the Murdochs right now with Karl Rove with the white thing trying to have a rearguard action about getting Nikki Haley either on the ticket Or trying to force something to the convention?
Post-sentencing of President Trump on the 11th?
boris epshteyn
Could they be trying to come up with something?
Absolutely.
Are they going to be successful?
Absolutely not.
Because what you see all across the country, right?
From the rally in Wildwood, New Jersey, to the Bronx, and obviously to the key states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.
and others, President Trump has gotten the backing and support of the populace, of the
movement in a way nobody ever has.
Nobody ever has.
And frankly, I think it's hotter now than it was even in 2016.
unidentified
Oh, it's hot.
boris epshteyn
So, and a lot of that...
steve bannon
You're coming off a 74 million base.
Right.
That's why.
We took 63 million and 74 million is a big ratchet.
boris epshteyn
And 74 is what they say, right?
Let's be honest.
unidentified
Might have been a couple of three short counts.
boris epshteyn
Maybe 10 million more than that, right?
If he had 80, if Crooked Joe had 81.
So what you're looking at is an increase and a broadening of the MAGA base and this show and the War Room Posse in huge ways to take credit for that.
So if you look at that, if you look at the way it's working out right now, Even the donors are seeing what's happening, and that's why you're seeing them more and more now.
steve bannon
Big article about Paul Singer yesterday.
They're all kind of coming home.
boris epshteyn
They're coming home.
They're coming home.
steve bannon
Maxine Waters, I said this in 16, remember?
Boris, by the way, in 16, was head of surrogates.
He worked with Jason Milne-Combs, and I had known Boris, but I got to really know him.
Here's how I got to know him.
On the second day I think I'm there, we get a call from Zucker.
Zucker says, this guy is never allowed in the CNN.
boris epshteyn
Hold on, on the first day you were there, CNN tries to destroy you with every piece of Steve Bannon oppo ever, okay?
And I go on CNN with Aaron Burnett, and we'd known each other, and Aaron Burnett says, you know, and there was some comment, well you're Jewish, and I go, Steve Bannon is a friend, he's a champion of the state of Israel, he's a champion of the Jewish people, he's supportive.
So that was day one.
Day two they tried to ban me.
steve bannon
No, day two, Zucker calls up and says, hey, look, this guy, Boris, we came on because the host, he won't back down.
I said, well, that's who he's supposed to be, he's the head of surrogates for Trump campaign.
He says, no, no, no, he's got to be more reasonable.
So here's the thing.
If he comes back, I said, well, look, he's our head of surrogates and he books and we always want him on CNN or MSNBC.
And he goes, look, let me be blunt.
If he comes in the building, we're not going to let him up.
I go, fine.
You'll just come in the building, stay in the lobby, and forget it.
He says, no, no, no.
If he comes in the building, we're going to arrest him.
And we still sent you over there.
boris epshteyn
He still went over there.
And then the best part is after we won, I was the communications director for the inaugural.
So then they had to take me nonstop with the long fake tapper and the long faces.
steve bannon
One thing you talked about the oppo they had ready to go and dump on there and Hillary
Clinton came off the beach and went to Reno for her big speech and what she said is exactly
that's what I want to start with Maxine Waters.
Said the exact same thing.
Banners told Trump be white nationalist everything I mean and I said to the time I called Tim
I said hey if they're going to argue this and we're arguing you know populist nationalist
economic policies particularly people in the northwest and about the border and immigration
They can't beat us if that's what they're going to talk about.
boris epshteyn
And frankly, they've got a tough argument with Crooked Joe.
Right? Because with Hitler and Clinton they had some story, oh it's a woman, glass ceiling, all that nonsense, right?
But Joe, you've got the oldest, whitest guy, and he's getting whiter, I don't know what's happening to his skin,
but he got the... and he's stone-cold racist.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
boris epshteyn
I mean, literally, anybody who looks at him, they're like, he's stone-cold racist.
I mean, all you gotta do is pull up the comments.
And not from like 30 years ago, from 10 years ago.
So they have no argument.
unidentified
Nothing.
boris epshteyn
All they have is these vague appeals.
steve bannon
We're getting this.
Bidenomics is failing.
It's just an epic fail.
boris epshteyn
Oh, that's why they don't use it anymore.
Bidenomics.
steve bannon
They don't want to talk about it.
And they're trying to set a trap for President Trump.
President Trump bringing up more debt in the six o'clock hour a day.
Brad's going to join me.
We're going to we're going to blow that up.
So let's take a short commercial break.
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Folks, remember Boris, your most famous hit on here is the one standing at Andrews Air
The President just left.
And we committed that day that this is not the last time he's coming to Washington, D.C.
as President of the United States.
We made a commitment.
on air, and dug in hard on this thing.
It looked a little grim there for a couple days.
boris epshteyn
There was a lot of crickets around.
steve bannon
It looked a little grim.
boris epshteyn
We looked around for friends.
There were not a lot around.
steve bannon
You couldn't even come over here because, remember, we had a hundred up-armored National Guard troops with two up-armored Humvees on the street.
Of course, every street had, but the barbed wire of the Supreme Court.
A little different now, is it not?
boris epshteyn
It's a little different.
steve bannon
A little different.
boris epshteyn
Getting a lot of phone calls, a lot of texts from people I hadn't heard about.
steve bannon
Got a lot of friends.
boris epshteyn
Yeah, a lot of friends.
Best friends.
steve bannon
Speaking of best friends, your Georgetown undergraduate school of foreign service, which is the elite
program over there, the Walsh School of Foreign Service. You're also a
Georgetown Law School graduate. That's right. I notice when I see all the
articles about famous Georgetown alumni, I'm not reading your name.
boris epshteyn
I just don't know why they keep excluding me.
It's really shocking.
You know, it really hurts me.
You know, actually, Neil Katyal was my professor.
steve bannon
The biggest demon on MSNBC.
I mean, a true hater.
boris epshteyn
He's not a big fan of ours.
But always kind to you whenever I run into him with Tosca.
Which I never go to.
steve bannon
Was he a good professor?
unidentified
He was a solid professor with a leading... He was Solicitor General, wasn't he?
boris epshteyn
Acting Solicitor General.
Acting Solicitor General.
unidentified
After.
boris epshteyn
So I was there, 04 to 07.
I believe it was criminal law, either criminal law or criminal justice.
And you know what?
He was fair enough.
I may or may not have booked the class.
steve bannon
You have been senior advisor, one of the senior advisors to the President for about two and a half years.
boris epshteyn
In this instance, right?
steve bannon
In this instance, yes, yes.
Advisory four.
And I believe...
That you have not been, because you used to do Skype, we do Hits, because you were all over the country doing things also here.
I don't think we've seen you on Skype.
I'm checking with my correct producer.
I think in over a year.
I think it's been a long time.
boris epshteyn
It's been a long time.
And definitely not here.
And it's great to be, you know, I'll report to the audience.
steve bannon
Nothing's changed.
boris epshteyn
Nothing's changed.
I think I see newspapers from 2020.
Okay.
But in all seriousness, it's great to be in the war room.
And there's nothing like the energy of being here.
The phone's great.
unidentified
And the, you know, the coffee's always burned.
boris epshteyn
It's just, there's nothing like being here.
Nothing like seeing the background.
And here's the reality.
All, you know, all kidding aside, all jokes.
We have had the most historic three plus, I mean obviously since the win in 2016 has
been historic, no question about it, right?
We've, the president's changed American history.
Since the age of Trump, since Jan, as you said, since January 20, 2021, when I called
in and you were sitting right here and it was.
steve bannon
And we were playing the Sinatra song.
boris epshteyn
Count them on one hand, right?
People were running for the hills.
steve bannon
Folks, you don't remember.
Folks who were with us remember.
Man, there were not a lot of friends here.
boris epshteyn
To my guests, when you were doing the show, it was me and you for like three hours a day for a while.
I was calling in.
And here's the thing, and it's a huge testament, not just because you're a dear friend and I love you, but there's a huge testament to you, Steve, as a leader in the movement.
steve bannon
No, it's because guys like you hunker down, that's where you got it.
By the way, Trump didn't stand down.
Forty-five days later, he's at CPAC in Orlando, throwing down hard.
boris epshteyn
Here's the thing.
And I can say this, and I'm honored to say it, I'm honored by my role.
President Trump never looked back.
He looks forward.
And it's all about fighting, and fighting the 2020 election is also all about, it's all about righting the wrongs and bringing America back.
steve bannon
You're a student of history.
I call him the American Cincinnatus.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
Because just like the Roman general, he's come back.
He didn't, when he went down to Mar-a-Lago, the most logical thing to have done, and Maggie Haberman-Swan had a brilliant piece about this, said Trump is back today and the greatest comeback ever.
Because he did not take the knee back in Mar-a-Lago when the Republican establishment wanted him to apologize.
Totally.
If he had done what they wanted him to do, he would have been finished.
By not doing that, and then, which I think is the most patriotic move in American history, understanding what was going to be in front of him.
Charging him with felonies, trying to bankrupt him, trying to destroy him.
boris epshteyn
Power and throne.
steve bannon
Still did it.
boris epshteyn
And I'll tell you this, again, from experience.
There's nobody on God's green earth, including the two people sitting right here, who could take the constant assault, the constant oncoming, the onslaught, like President Trump does.
He's golfing better than he ever has.
He's firing all cylinders.
steve bannon
The rallies are better than they were.
boris epshteyn
The rallies are the best they've ever been.
steve bannon
The stand-up at the rallies is all world.
boris epshteyn
And what he's bringing America right now is frankly probably our last chance.
It's our last chance to turn it back around.
steve bannon
But you talk about that with his energy and what he's doing, that's why people, and I just put up Amber Rose as the comms director in 47 because I see her on Twitter all the time, you're seeing All types of demographics that have never been exposed to the President Trump, and we're told what Mad Maxine Walter said.
She's not happy.
They're not happy.
They're throwing the same stuff they threw in 2016.
But audiences are sitting there like Amber Rose said the other day.
Believe the propaganda, we're doing our own research, and he is reaching, whether it's the UFC when he goes to Miami, the UFC, Wildwood, New Jersey, South Bronx, the Bodega Run, but then to go to the Coca-Cola 600 down in Charlotte, he's going everywhere in the United States.
boris epshteyn
I was with him in New York.
But that was a slog, right?
For anybody to sit through there, as he said, right?
It's freezing cold.
And he still had the strength and the power to fight it out, to do those press conferences every single day, and then go out and do events.
And I'll tell you, the people lining those streets in New York, sure, there's some haters.
Overwhelmingly, in huge numbers, it was love.
The doorman at the hotels, it's love.
The brain of people stopping me on the street because they happen to see me in the background.
It's love.
It's all about love for President Trump.
People are screaming for him when he pulls back onto 56th Street, going home.
There's something going on in this country.
No matter how much Nicole Walls can scream about it and be upset about it, no matter how much Any of the haters out there can deny it.
It's there.
And there's nothing they can do about it.
There's no amount of cheating.
There's no amount of lying.
There's no amount of fake news.
The yearning for Donald J. Trump is unlike anything that I think has ever happened in
steve bannon
this country.
One of the reasons is I think people have looked at his courage in handling this and
how he's handled it with kind of class and stick-to-itiveness.
It hasn't gotten him down.
He still does the rallies.
boris epshteyn
He still does the newspaper.
steve bannon
Totally.
He's still a B.
And I think people who are just coming to politics, and this is why I think his number
is going to be so huge this time, just coming to politics, they compare and contrast.
Trump every day going to these rallies with a sense of humor and Biden, which is still
Biden, right?
Totally illegitimate.
This is why I said the other day, if you don't believe it's stolen, I have no time for you.
I just don't.
boris epshteyn
It's a joke, right?
It's a joke.
It's not about, you know, the past and the future.
It's about the present, and it's about this country.
And we've said this time and time again, look at all the people who say, oh, you never, never talk about it.
If we don't continue, To make it very clear that 2020 was stolen, and that 2020 was an abomination that's an assault on our country, then that gives a green light to the Democrats to do it again.
And you better believe that Mark Elias and all those people, they're doing all they can to come back and steal, because that is the only way they can.
Weaponization has failed, let's be honest.
steve bannon
Hold it, the Washington Post thing, can we get it?
The Washington Post lead story in this morning's paper, the democracy issue is Trump's issue now.
Biden has done this, though.
They did the polling, and the American people feel more comfortable with Trump handling democracy.
boris epshteyn
Could you imagine that pollster in the Washington Post gets those numbers?
steve bannon
The new guy running it told the writers, hey, don't give me your grief.
We're 50% down in eyeballs.
boris epshteyn
It's not going so well.
steve bannon
What do you think, Jeff Bezos?
Well, now they say democracy dies in darkness, and Trump is winning on the democracy issue.
I haven't noticed that today on Nicole Wiles.
I haven't played that on MSNBC.
boris epshteyn
For some reason, the poll is not getting that much coverage.
steve bannon
Oh, she got to know this.
Washington Post, serious poll, polled the American voter, and they come back on the democracy issue they talk about all the time.
Who do voters trust more with on this democracy issue?
unidentified
Trump.
steve bannon
Do you think it's at the campaign headquarters right now?
Hey, by the way, Biden-Harris- Here's the headline.
boris epshteyn
Trump trusted more than Biden on democracy among key, not just voters, swing state voters.
unidentified
And it's not by like 1%.
boris epshteyn
It's 44 to 33.
unidentified
1%? It's 44 to 33!
It's 11%.
steve bannon
It's 11%.
boris epshteyn
Among deciders, it's 38 to 29.
Here's what, what does that say?
What it says is that what we've known all along is that when the American people are enabled to take off the goggles, enabled to take off the sunglasses, they see the truth and they see the reality.
And this weaponization, as you said, Steve, I've had people who were just hardcore Never Trumpers who, you know, you and I have known for years, who are reaching out to me now after that absolutely travesty of a verdict in New York saying, you know what, I just donated to Trump.
They were.
These people were outraged.
steve bannon
As Trump says, if it can happen to Trump, it can happen to everybody.
New York City is going to take a major hit on this.
The business and finance community, because they can make up anything.
We still don't know today.
What the underlying charge, where he said it could be four here, three here, it's so confusing.
boris epshteyn
Remember, and this doesn't get as much coverage as it should, the misdemeanor charged is barred by the statute of limitations.
The way they try to get around that is by saying that there was an intent to commit another misdemeanor, which makes the original misdemeanor a felony.
That is a complete Frankenstein, it's a travesty, and it's un-American, and it's coming through that way.
steve bannon
By the way, his numbers since the first time they were indicted have been up.
He's on a roll.
boris epshteyn
It's a nice long roll.
steve bannon
Byron York's done a great job.
Rover's right.
He had a slight hickey when the thing was first announced.
One or one and a half percent.
He's back across the board.
boris epshteyn
Look at the fundraising.
steve bannon
The fundraising is unbelievable.
Byron York's done a terrific job on that.
You're going to hang around.
unidentified
I'm here.
steve bannon
Boris is here.
We got him in town here for the whole hour.
Are you concerned for a go?
Are you concerned?
They only got one way they can do this.
They have to steal it.
Are you concerned about the election integrity?
I mean, we got a recall up in Wisconsin.
You got this madness out in Arizona right now.
boris epshteyn
Am I concerned?
Of course I'm concerned.
We've got to be concerned.
Because by being concerned and being vigilant is the only way we prevent it.
But I'm also confident that we've got the right team.
You and I know a lot of the players who are on it non-stop, day in, day out.
unidentified
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, let's go back to business here.
Let's get to Chevron deference.
Historic, important.
This is Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, the reason they're on the Supreme Court, the deconstruction of the administrative state.
Walk me through, for the audience, why is this the mac daddy and so important?
There are four other administrative state cases.
boris epshteyn
Because for the last, what, 50 years, there's been an acceptance that courts were going to, quote unquote, defer to the agencies.
And the issue with agencies, as simple as it can be, is that no one knows what branch they're a part of.
Are they legislative?
Are they executive?
But really, much like the independent special counsel, which issue came up obviously in Florida this week, They're effectively a fourth branch of government because they have no oversight.
unidentified
And that's what the Chevron deference held up, and now that it's gone... Because they said you deferred to the government to make the rules and interpret the rules.
boris epshteyn
Exactly.
steve bannon
Once you do that, business is on its back foot, but also the legislature.
unidentified
Because again... You pass these general bills and they fill it in with the details.
boris epshteyn
If you have a deference from the courts...
Then you have no oversight from Congress, and the executive branch, once it's put into place, has no power over it.
So these effectively became Frankensteins that were not able to... This would be one of the great legacies of the age of Trump.
steve bannon
He took on Leviathan, not talked about it, and not deregulation.
This is actually going to take him apart.
boris epshteyn
Because if not, then all these agencies are able to do whatever they want without any oversight.
steve bannon
You can't control the $7.2 trillion budget.
It's only going to increase.
You can't control that.
boris epshteyn
And that's what these, again, these Trump justices, they put an end to that.
And now the big two cases left are immunity.
And to really boil it down, just for the audience, as you think about it, and President Trump put this so poignantly and so directly
without immunity you cannot have a presidency if you don't have presidential immunity for official acts
unidentified
people get all the clues in the background people are going to be indicted. You're always looking over
boris epshteyn
your shoulder. Always, always.
steve bannon
You have to be. If you didn't have immunity you would not be doing what you thought was right.
boris epshteyn
Truman would literally have not bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki Even Obama, who knows if he would have took out the Yemenis.
Or Bin Laden.
Who knows?
It will destroy the presidency and the president will become a figurehead who can't do anything.
steve bannon
As monumental as that is.
boris epshteyn
And by the way, just real quick, Steve.
This goes back to Marbury v. Madison.
The reason that Chief Justice Marshall said that courts will not sit in judgment of the president is because if that happens, you not only don't have a separation of power, you have nothing left.
That's it.
The whole system collapses upon itself.
steve bannon
Isn't even more controversial, as controversial as that is, isn't Fisher, because I keep saying that Nixon was removed by Sirica, the DOJ, and the House committees are so radical.
Ex parte meetings, getting together, they had a roadmap of getting the federal judiciary involved.
Isn't this going to explode if this thing is overturned to get to the bottom of what Fisher was of stopping a government event at its base?
boris epshteyn
Fifteen, you know, what they're talking about, that section of 1512 was part of Sarbanes-Oxley.
It was after Enron and Arthur Anderson.
And it was about the fact that you were not allowed to not produce, but you were effectively... Documents, documents.
You were not allowed to not produce documents, but effectively it was not outlawed.
Shredding was not outlawed.
So they passed this outlawed shredding.
It was never meant to be applied as it has been applied.
And if you look at the history of Jack Smith from Everything he's done, from New York, to participation in litigation in Virginia, to Bob McDonnell, to the hate, absolutely.
It's always been about overreach.
It's always been about overreach.
And the problem with that for them is that if Fischer goes the way that, frankly, at now, I think you could say it's expected to go, especially because of the oral argument, because it's taken so long too, is It's just debilitating.
It takes away a huge section of that absolute canard of an attack against President Trump in D.C., but it crushes all those other prosecutions.
And I think, again, it'll continue to expose weaponization.
You mentioned Nixon.
When they did that to Nixon, His approvals went down, right?
But we're seeing now, again, American people have taken the sunglasses, they've taken the goggles off, and the weaponization is now driving a huge increase for President Trump.
Why?
Because the American people don't want to become Venezuela or the USSR in the 30s.
steve bannon
In Judge Cannon and what she's talking about, let's go back to the special prosecutor.
Let's leave Jack Smith out of it.
She's not talking about individual personalities.
She has structural concerns about what this entire thing is, right?
The special counsel and how it's paid for, the separation of powers, the appropriations.
boris epshteyn
It goes back to Morris of Yosemite.
So that's a famous case from the 80s, and it was about the special counsel statute, the independent counsel statute.
And at that point, there was only one dissent, and it was Justice Scalia who said this is, again, a fourth branch of government.
steve bannon
The first guy in the administrative state.
boris epshteyn
That dissent has become effectively the Bible for truly conservative judges and justices.
And the question she was asking is very simple.
Okay, how is he appointed?
Is he independent?
And the problem again...
For the argument, and you know, the attorney that had handled that case down in Florida did not do a good job in the D.C.
Circuit on immunity, and he didn't do a good job in Florida.
steve bannon
That's the one she had to correct a few times.
boris epshteyn
He contradicted himself, because in D.C.
they said, yes, yes, yes, totally independent, but in Florida they're saying, no, no, no, it's fine, because Mayor Garland oversees it.
Guess what?
Even they can't have it both ways.
And then on the money, she said, okay, what if the money gets cut off?
Well, we'll find funding.
What does that mean?
You're gonna do GoFundMe?
steve bannon
to write a sidebar.
boris epshteyn
You gonna do GoFundMe?
Like, what are you gonna do?
What's the solution here?
So this was a very tough, you know, it was Friday, Monday, Tuesday.
Very tough days.
And then at the end of both Monday and Tuesday, Judge Cannon was, you know, very direct to one of the prosecutors.
steve bannon
He was a little disrespectful.
boris epshteyn
Saying that Harbaugh was disrespectful and then he had to apologize.
And, you know, she was very, very direct and specific and stern both days.
And here's the issue.
You've got the New York Times, two articles a day, playing the refs.
They're trying to do their Bobby Knight, as President Trump says, right?
They're trying to go not for this call, but for the next one.
They're trying to work the refs.
But it's not working.
And it's not working, again, because overall, the structural weaponization—and Steve, I talk about this all the time—it's not about each specific case as much as it's about the whole house of cards.
And it's a rotten house of cards that's falling apart, and it's falling onto itself, including, obviously, the Georgia ridiculousness, because there's no cases.
These are ridiculous charges, each and every single one of them, and where you have a fair judge, and that's all we ask for is a fair judge, and Judge Cannon, they fall apart under their own weight.
steve bannon
What, um, Smith was supposed to have almost a mini-trial about him, about National Archives.
unidentified
She pushed that back.
steve bannon
Until July.
What do you anticipate in that?
boris epshteyn
I mean, July could be later.
steve bannon
That is going to be about as explosive as you can get, right?
Because she's asking pointed questions about, they're working with the National Archives, they're working with the White House Counsel's Office.
How explosive could this be?
boris epshteyn
It could be extremely explosive because it'll, again, continue to expose what we know, which is there's no crime here.
This was just all one big conspiracy of entrapment against President Trump.
And it's there for anybody who has at least some version of clear vision to see.
And Judge Cannon has now shown the ability and interest to drill down on it.
And you're going to continue to see that.
steve bannon
You've had a long history with Jake Tapper, right?
unidentified
My best friend.
steve bannon
Tell me about tomorrow night.
What do you anticipate?
Do you like where we stand right now?
I understand there have been changes made about, as you know, remember from the first debate, At Hofstra in 16, we had the issue with the mic, and they finally copped to the fact that the control room had an ability to control a mic.
President Trump picks it because he understands mics.
He understands lighting, right?
This guy knows TV.
boris epshteyn
Nobody else could do that, right?
From a stage.
unidentified
From a stage.
steve bannon
It's unbelievable.
At first, we had to go back and check.
You see how they kind of cut it.
What are your thoughts?
Give us your... First off, let's go out big picture and then get down to the basic tactics.
boris epshteyn
Big picture?
This is a...
A make-or-break moment for the illegitimate president, you know, who's a couple yards away.
Because there's a reason that the Democrats wanted it early now, right?
He's got to show them something.
And they're going to hop him up full of stuff, whatever it is they give him, and you're going to see something.
But in the end, again, the American people are no longer fooled.
The American people are smart, the American people are savvy, and they're onto what the Democrats have been trying to sell them.
And, hey, we know they lost in 2020.
We know that they stole it.
And that was COVID and all the crazies around it.
The world's going on, right?
unidentified
People out there are living their lives, and they're seeing- And their lived experience is terrible, so that's why- Correct.
steve bannon
And their experience- For Wall Street, for the easy, the lords of easy money, the tech oligarchs, life's never been better.
boris epshteyn
For working- Yeah, but even they're coming to President Trump, and look what happened in San Francisco.
steve bannon
That's amazing.
And down in the- And in New York- And in Paul Singer, right.
boris epshteyn
And the whole thing.
Look, business roundtable.
steve bannon
Because they understand this is not sustainable.
boris epshteyn
The business roundtable meeting was so good, they had to leak it, try to make it seem like it was- No, Josh Bolton, right?
steve bannon
Not a friend, right?
boris epshteyn
I think tomorrow is going to reinforce what we know and what the American people see, is that you have the clearest contrast we have ever had in the history of this country, of a decrepit, illegitimate, angry, absolutely divorced from reality, shadow of a human being in Biden, and the strength and power of President Trump.
I think it's going to be full-spectrum dominance.
I really do.
steve bannon
I hope, because you remember the debate in 20, when Joe Biden, I've never seen this before, and I hope they demand the tapes played, when he looked the American people in the eye and bald-faced lighted them about the laptop from hell, the information in there, he told them that, you know, you don't know what you're talking about, you're a liar, and there's nothing going on, it had nothing to do with my son's business, and that's all lies.
Russian disinformation.
boris epshteyn
Russian disinformation.
steve bannon
How do you think that'll play tomorrow?
boris epshteyn
I think he's been exposed.
The Biden crime family has been exposed.
And it happened in Delaware because of that tough judge.
It's going to happen again in California in a couple months.
The Democrats and the Bidens have nothing to offer the American people but lies.
And the president put out an amazing truth this morning.
Talk about all, you know, oh, the Democrats are complaining about fact-checking.
Fact-checking?
Biden plagiarized.
He lied about his college education, about his law school education.
steve bannon
He lied about- Ripped off the speeches, right?
boris epshteyn
Ripped off the speeches.
steve bannon
From the British guy?
boris epshteyn
From the British.
He lied about being a trucker.
He lied about marching the civil rights movement.
He lies about his handicap.
That guy says he's a 6.2 handicap.
No, no way.
If he's a 6, first of all, what is a 6.2?
Where's the .2?
And if he's a 6.2 handicap, I'm a ballerina.
All right, so Joe Biden, and President Trump said maybe we should call him Lying Joe, L-Y-I-N, apostrophe Joe.
Lying Joe Biden is the champion of disinformation.
And are you going to try to see some of that tomorrow?
Yes, if there's anybody who should be fact-checked, it's Biden, because him and his crime family have been lying to the American people for 50 years.
steve bannon
How many times has Joe Biden come in, because you're a deal guy and a financier, how many times has Biden used the term Bidenomics?
boris epshteyn
If they could drill it into him, if they could drill it into him, zero.
If he starts stumbling around talking about how he's hanging out with Helmut Kohl and Mitterrand and, you know, him and FDR having coffee together, who knows?
Who knows?
steve bannon
Do you anticipate he'll be jacked up?
President Trump's told he's gonna be jacked up.
You think he'll be jacked up?
boris epshteyn
I think he's gonna be jacked up.
steve bannon
I mean, by the way, who takes seven days off?
Trump is hitting stuff every day, going to rallies, doing things.
boris epshteyn
Of course.
steve bannon
What guy takes seven days off to get ready for a 90-minute debate?
boris epshteyn
No conspiracies, no coincidence.
I'm going to just say, you know, maybe either he needs to rest or whatever, the recovery.
What about the fact that he went to Europe, came back for 20 hours, then went back to Europe?
Again, even the New York Times wrote a story, and the White House wasn't too happy.
Oh, why do you ask us?
There's a reason we're asking, because there's something off.
And again, the American people are not going to be fooled, and tomorrow they're going to see a contrast unlike we've ever seen.
President Trump on full display.
steve bannon
Did Macron wish he hadn't come back?
I mean, talk about a cooler.
Biden put the stink right on that guy's crotch.
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And now you're going to have another record day.
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steve bannon
You had a record day yesterday.
Steve Stern, thank you.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, brother.
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Jillian, Barbary, thank you for joining us.
Now more than ever, you've got to take the angst out of people's lives.
We understand tomorrow night you're going to see Biden talking in this debate, talking about Bidenomics.
People's lived experience are terrible.
Credit cards are $1.3 trillion.
I think they're 10% non-performing.
What can be done with that?
How can that help solve the problems, man?
unidentified
Good to see you, my friend.
I want to mention one thing.
Do they have the American flag bikinis?
Because I am definitely down for that.
I could afford that these days.
That's probably all I can afford.
People don't realize how bad things are, right?
It just happens that way when we are in a situation like we're in with gas, with groceries, with everything else.
I was in a pretty bad position a few years ago.
I'm never ashamed to talk about it.
It was pretty bad.
And friends, from the last time I was on your show, Steve, said to me, I didn't know that this happened to you.
And I said, well, it can happen to anyone.
If you trust a money manager, if you get sick, as I did with cancer, it was really bad.
And I didn't know that there was anyone out there that could help me.
I'm not going to ask friends.
I'm not going to ask family.
But there was a company called Done With Debt. And so what they did was that sort of three-pronged
approach, right? So they stopped the calls. People, you know, we always say health over wealth,
and it's so true.
Because when the phone would ring or I'd go to the mailbox, I would freak out.
I was so bad that I had to go on the cuckoo pills.
You know what those are?
Antidepressants.
And everyone thought, oh, it's probably because of the cancer.
And I'm like, little do you know.
So it affects people's lives.
I was a single mom, two kids, no child support.
I was working two jobs in the radio business and on HSN.
And my life was unraveling in front of me.
And so what they do is they scoop in, done with debt, we'll take everything away, all the bad calls, all the mail that you're getting, all the stuff that is scaring you, like literally keeping you from getting out of bed.
I would just go do my job, come home, I would do chemo and be freaking out the rest of the time.
And I knew behind the scenes they were tackling it for me.
What does that mean?
They're running interference with all of that noise, right?
Letters and phone calls.
And then they're preparing a plan where they can sit down with you over the phone and they'll say, look, this is what we want to accomplish.
We want to do this without you having to get a loan, without you having to file for bankruptcy.
And then they start.
And what I tell you, Steve, I had no idea the programs that were out there.
Some of these people will settle right away, these credit card companies.
steve bannon
They've been working to help cap the interest rates from going up and maybe get a significant amount of face amount off the... Now, we love it when our audience can go where they go right now to immerse themselves in information and actually talk to somebody over Done With Debt.
Where do they go right now?
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steve bannon
Jillian Barberi, great.
We love it when you come on here.
Keep fighting and we will check with Steve Serma about that bikini.
How about that?
We'll do that.
I got that for action.
My team has that for action.
Thank you, ma'am.
Mike Lindell, we got one of your favorite people here, Boris.
First up, Boris, are you coming in hot on the Gram or you're not posting?
People said cold.
Some people said cold on the Gram.
boris epshteyn
No, no, no.
It's so cold it's hot.
It's so cold it's hot.
It's hot on the Gram.
I'm hot.
It's hot.
steve stern
We're hot.
steve bannon
Social media, where they go?
boris epshteyn
First of all, honor to be with you.
Honor to be with the posse.
Thank you for having me.
Amazing to be here.
unidentified
Amazing.
steve bannon
Great interview.
boris epshteyn
Social media, boriscp.com is the website.
We're hot on boriscp.com.
Hot on getter at boriscp.
Twitter at boriscp.
True social, Boris on the hottest on the gram.
Boris on the scrub sign.
Stay strong.
God bless.
steve bannon
And we'll talk to you soon.
I just want to make sure this is not a wake.
Boris was in town.
I said you got to come by.
You look like a million bucks.
It's an honor.
Mike Lindell, you got Boris here.
First off, real quickly, tell me about this massive thing that's happening up in Wisconsin, sir, and why it's important for President Trump in 2024.
mike lindell
Absolutely.
You know, when I got into this, I started getting Uniparty blockers everywhere.
And we tried to recall back in the day, Rusty Bowers in Arizona.
Well, now we've gotten very good at it.
We didn't give up and we got old Robin Voss.
There is going to be a recall election now on August 6th.
And everyone that fought there, I did so many speeches over there and got the people involved and are great people on the ground.
Colonel Conrad, the great Michael, Justice Michael Gabelman, Will Huff, all of them, just amazing.
And we got it done.
And they tried to stop it the first time around.
Second time around, you learn from it, everybody.
You learn, okay, the bad people are going to do this, we're going to do this.
We went on the offense and got it done and I'll tell you Boris, Robin Voss has to go and it's going to be a lot easier winning Wisconsin in 2024 without the biggest blocker in the country trying to stop us and trying to secure our election platforms and that was what Robin was all about.
steve bannon
We're going out to Arizona with Caroline Wren in the next hour, and Dave Bratz is going to sit down and go through the numbers of why they've been lying about President Trump and the debt.
This is for tomorrow night.
That's all in the 6 o'clock hour, plus so much more.
Mike, you got 30 seconds.
Sell me a pillow.
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Boris, thank you so much for dropping by.
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