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WarRoom Battleground EP 562: Deep Dive With Dr. Arthur Herman
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Tuesday, 25 June, the Year of the Lord 2024.
Obviously a huge day for news, but this is one of the shows I've really waited a long time to do.
We have the esteemed writer and historian, author Herman, with us.
And I may not be his biggest fan, but I gotta be in the top three.
I've read every book, at least I can get my hands on.
I think I got them on all of them.
Arthur Hermant joins me now and we have a very contemporary article that we're going to talk about that you just you were in commentary the other day blew me away about the CCP and current warfare.
I had Eric Prince on this morning for an hour discussing recent developments in modern combat.
First off, Your range, and I'm telling you, some of the books are my favorite, How the Scots Invented the Modern World, about the Scottish Enlightenment, Freedom's Forge, about how America, the industrial power of America, The Cave in the Light, just your, they say in baseball, or in sports, your range, or in acting, your range,
Your range is unbelievable in the depths of the book.
In fact, I give your books out all the time as gifts.
And I just finished rereading 1917, the book on Lennon and Wilson and all that.
So author Herman, first off, just how in the hell do you, how in the hell do you do it?
How do you, how many books have you written?
20 or 25?
unidentified
No, not that many.
I've written 10 total and I'm, I'm embarked on really two now, right now.
One with my publisher, Simon Schuster, a biography of Edward Teller, the inventor of the hydrogen bomb, and also the architect of Star Wars.
And that book is a book that really kind of sprang out of what I was trying to do with Freedom's Forge.
My problem, and I think it is kind of a problem, is that I'm a naturally and irrepressibly curious person.
And once I get involved and interested in a topic, if I can't find a book that really answers all the questions that I've got about that, then I sort of say, well, I guess I'm just going to have to write it.
That was the case with how the Scots invented the modern world.
That was the case with the book that was the Pulitzer Prize finalist book, actually, Gandhi and Churchill, about their rivalry for not just the fate of India, but the fate of civilization.
And it was also true for Freedom's Forge, the story of how America was able to generate this incredible war mobilization miracle during World War II.
From a standing start, going to arm our allies, two-thirds of all of the equipment and arms used during World War II by the Allies were made in America.
So that book, I think of all of them right now, is the one that resonates the most with everybody who is involved in any way with our defense industrial base, with our defense posture vis-a-vis our rivals in China and Russia and now Iran.
And also anyone who's really interested in the fate of manufacturing as a whole and our industrial economy as well.
It's a book that Secretaries of Defense tell me, hey, this was my favorite book.
Joint Chairman of the Joint Chiefs staff are recommending it.
And I'm delighted that you've read it and are able to appreciate, I think, the message, which has so much resonance right now today.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, in fact, we went out to one of the plants in Detroit, where on the outskirts of Detroit, where a lot of your action takes place, some of your action takes place.
And President Trump was going to have be interviewed then by Tucker Carlson, who was at Fox.
And so we made a big deal about getting people prepped and had the president read the book.
And I know it stuck with him.
I want to go back, though, before we talk about And this is one of the things we try to make sure, because we have a huge audience of MAGA activists, about how people and groups and institutions can come together and punch way above their weight.
Let's go back to the Scots, because the Scots, it's the embodiment of the Judeo-Christian West plus the Enlightenment.
And you have a country that's relatively backwards, and then all of a sudden, Right?
It literally invents the modern world and changes the course of mankind's history.
Can you walk us through that?
What inspired you?
And tell us the story about it and why it's applicable today.
unidentified
Well, what the book is about, for those who haven't read it yet, and it was a huge success when it came out, which surprised me, surprised my publisher, New York Times bestseller, and of course on the other side of the ocean, in Britain, it was a bestseller as well.
It is the story of how, in the 18th century, this incredibly poor and backward country, which was really beaten down by a century of bad economic decisions, had lost its sovereignty to England through the Act of Union, was able to generate an enlightenment all on its own.
We think about probably the most important figure out of that is Adam Smith, the father of the theories behind modern capitalism.
But it was a whole host of thinkers, and historians, and writers, and scientists, and engineers.
The engineer, James Watt, who invents the steam engine.
And what I really wanted to do was explain how this really poor and backward Terrible conditions and climate.
I mean, most Scots couldn't wait to get the hell away from home and go anywhere else to America, to South Africa, to Canada in order to get away from it.
But how they had certain fundamental ideas and fundamental institutions in mind.
One was literacy.
And that book is really about how important literacy and numeracy are as a part of creating
the conditions under which civil society can flourish and sustain itself.
They had a strong work ethic, a strong Protestant work ethic, which means that you don't just
do your job, you do it to the best of your ability because you know that God and the
community are watching.
And also, too, it was a country of warriors, that the warrior ethos is an important and
essential part of how civilized societies sustain themselves, defend themselves, and
are able to forge the direction of the future.
And that's why my last book, my latest book, the book on the Vikings, The Viking Heart, which is about
the experience of the Scandinavians spreading around the world through the Viking conquest, but
then settling in America, settling in America in the 19th and early 20th centuries,
and how they bring that warrior spirit, as well as strong Protestant work ethic and strong literacy,
and bring that to bear to transform every society, including America, in ways that I really try
to detail and explain in the course of the book. So what I like to think about in my books,
Steve, is as primers of our understanding we are the world.
What institutions, what cultural practices are needed in order to sustain freedom and in order to allow free and open societies to defend themselves against their enemies?
And I think that's pretty much the situation we find ourselves in today.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Before I go to there, I don't want to bury the lead back to the Scots on the work ethic, the warrior ethos.
You said literacy, but the buried lead there is numeracy.
We have completely, as bad as literacy is in this country today, and, I mean, people don't, I tell people all the time, they say, well, how do you get ahead, how do you do this?
I said, one of my biggest strategic advantages is just, I've been a voracious reader since I was about 9 or 10 years old by my parents.
And it shocks me today in the elites, and I'm talking about people that go to the finest schools and particularly new, young graduate people I've talked to.
To say that they haven't read is a understatement.
It's almost shocking how little they've read.
But the numeracy of the general American population, and we deal with this all the time going through the deficits and everything, numeracy in this country is something that is not put straight forward.
And free people cannot govern themselves unless you have both literacy and numeracy.
Am I correct on that?
unidentified
I think that's absolutely essential.
And if you look at the democratic countries that we look to as being leaders, for example, in technology, In leaders, in their ability to sustain and grow their economies in ways that bring, that benefit all the population, that raise all the votes.
You look at them, right?
Korea, Japan, Taiwan.
What's the characteristic that we see that they all share?
And that is a strong emphasis on being able to do the numbers as well as being able to sort of read widely and deeply And to understand your own cultural traditions and institutions.
It's a very, very powerful part of the equipment that we have really lost from our schools.
And that I think bit by bit, parents are beginning to wake up to the fact that it's not just that our school systems have been taken over by wokeness, but they've also been taken over by a systematic illiteracy.
When it comes to the basic skills that you need in order to, in order to make a life for yourself and for your family and to enjoy and appreciate the freedom that you have.
The three R's, right?
Steve is not what it was called.
That's what it's always been.
And on the one hand, they become a cliche, but I think they really, any kind of educational remake and reset for America has got to bring the arithmetic In writing the three R's.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
With Freedom's Forge, what is the direct connection?
Because Freedom's Forge, you also make this case coming out of the Great Depression, all of it.
What's the connection between how the Scots invented the modern world with a backward country that had lost their sovereignty?
I mean, when the book opens, they got nothing going on.
They got nothing.
On the surface, they have nothing going on.
Below the surface, there's a lot going on as their foundation.
Talk to me about Freedom's Forge.
What's the connection there?
unidentified
Well, I'll tell you what, there's an intermediary book.
There's a bridge between the two, which we haven't mentioned yet.
And that's the book that I did on the history of the British Navy and the making, the physical making of the bonds that hold together the modern global system.
And that book really sprang out of the Scots book.
I got to tell you, Steve, because I had a whole chapter on Scots and the Royal Navy.
And a role that they play, a central role they play in the shaping of it.
But it was just, it was one more chapter which I just couldn't add to it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But hang on, this was, hang on, hang on, this is one of my, because The World News is one of my favorite books of all, but it's not just the globalization part.
It's how they created an institution An institution that had its own mores and customs, and that institution went from something very tiny to literally what was the predicate, what was the underlying of the empire.
They built this massive empire, was predicated on an institution that when it first started, was quite small. In fact, in the book, the way that, you
know, that they were, they were privateers.
They were all buccaneers and pirates that the crown would give a, would get, but they were
pirates. The crown would give a letter of mark or give them a, they give them territory and the
crown would take 20% off the top or they would take 20% and the crown get the rest. And they built
it into one of the greatest institutions ever built by Western man. Is that not correct, sir?
unidentified
That's really true. And really, the first global cop, right?
Is what the Royal Navy was for almost 200 years as a result of that.
And as you just said, springing up from a tiny group of brigands and privateers perched on the extreme western edge of the British Isles in Cornwall and in Devon, And in the course of time, they come to create this massive military force unchallenged, unchallenged by any opponent for 200 years.
But one of the things that struck me in writing that book, Steve, to Rule the Waves, was when looking at the history of the Royal Navy, it was coming to understand that the Royal Navy was, in the 18th century, it was the largest industrial enterprise in the world.
Building and making and outfitting and maintaining that Navy, second to none.
And that got me interested in how military history, the course of understanding military history, rests on the shoulders of an ability of a society, of a nation, to produce the goods and to produce the materiel that allow that military to Move forward to victory.
And so that insight into the way in which how you win wars, or how you lose them, is to a large extent determined by the degree to which you have an economy and an industrial base in the modern world that can support it, is what led me to the story about Freedom's Forge.
And you know, Freedom's Forge, it began as an historical work Because I thought, here's this great story about another part of the greatest generation, right?
Not that part that served in the Pacific at Iwo Jima or that landed in Normandy on D-Day,
but the one that worked in the factories that built the tanks and the airplanes
and assembled the parts and equipment for radio sets, for radar sets, men and women,
and all of these functions and all these roles that they came to play in making the arsenal of democracy,
about that here they sacrificed so much and dedicated themselves so much to this effort
that I felt that this was a story that had been kind of left out
when we did think about the way in which we were able to be the leader of a free world
and win that, the biggest war, the biggest conflict in history.
And it was, I think, Then having to then find at least two or three characters who would kind of epitomize that leadership.
And to make people understand that this leadership came not from Washington, and that's one of the things I wanted to dispel, the myth that somehow, you know, bombs dropped on Pearl Harbor and then Franklin Roosevelt and Washington, D.C.
then told everybody to go out there and start making war material, start making tanks and artillery pieces and warplanes.
No, this was a private sector-led, private sector-equipped that got underway a year and a half before the war,
year and a half before to make America ready and to bring it into a state in which
when those bombs dropped at Pearl Harbor, we were already off to a running start
and we'll be able to surpass and fight war on two fronts, you know, in the Pacific as well as in Europe.
That's the story I really wanted to tell and it's one that I think now particularly resonates.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
To go back to the trilogy, one of the things that fascinates me about this,
both the Scots as a beaten and backward country, the people, even the British mocked and kind of ridiculed.
The Royal Navy starting with really in the Caribbean and a group of buccaneers, right?
Essentially pirates.
And even in Freedom's Forge, you got the Great Depression.
All three show how these things start small, But there's some organizing principle or something.
And remember, these are not small things.
The Scots, you could argue, did create the modern world, the Scottish Enlightenment.
The Royal Navy was one of the most, if not most, powerful institutions the world had ever seen at the top of its game.
Freedom's Forge, out of nowhere, the United States built to arm a global conflict in which hundreds of millions of people were killed.
I mean, the armaments themselves were just massive.
But they all had small starts.
In that process, particularly as people look and are trying to create or trying to make sure that they guide things, what is it?
What are the lessons learned that you've got to look for to see if it's happening at the time, at the time that you actually live in?
unidentified
It's really hard to predict.
I think that's one of the things, one of the most fascinating things about history is just how Unpredictable, it is.
Because, of course, you and I could drop a list of countries which were very poor, which had strong work ethic, no natural resources and material resources to draw upon, beaten up and oppressed by their neighbors, and their story doesn't end with the kind of enormous explosive success that comes with the Scots that comes with the English as a maritime power, that comes from America's armed forces, which were, in 1939, the 17th largest army in the world.
I mean, we were a second or even third rate power from a military standpoint.
threatened here or in the case of Scandinavians and the Vikings as well.
Their enormous sweeping success.
There are many other examples that you could sort of say, I'm going to put my money on
this group, on this community.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But the thing that strikes me, particularly go back to the Scott's book, when you look
at it, you have France that has everything.
A great culture, a deep religious faith, they have resources that are amazing, they have literacy, they have... You look at France, at the same time, if you look at the Scots when you're doing this, you look at France, You look at Germany, even though they're divided, you look at Russia with all the resources the Russians have and everything the Romanovs had, and they all led to disaster and revolution and destruction, and the Scots, who are kind of these backward people, actually create a world in which peace and prosperity and peace and all that come from, sir.
unidentified
That's true.
But let's not forget, it's one of the things I emphasize in the book, is that thanks to the Act of Union of 1707, which is really where that book starts, which the Scots had to be dragged, really almost kicking and screaming, into union with England, and who saw it as being, well, that's the end of Scotland as an independent kingdom, as a separate destiny.
And yet it was able which we just talked about, literacy and numeracy, strong
work ethic, that warrior spirit, were able to integrate into institutions, free institutions that
were able to support and really make use of all of those qualities and virtues.
And you could say that's pretty much the case with regard to the Freedom's Forge as well.
Yes, we did have a military which was in a sorry state.
The Japanese, the Germans, even the Italians were far ahead in terms of the military technologies
that they had in 1939, 1940, even 1941.
but the need to rearm, fit into the free institutions of American capitalism, of a productive economy
like no other, and in which people were incentivized to turn loose that energy, that drive,
that made us a strong industrial power, the greatest industrial power at the time
that anyone had ever seen, and to divert that and to channel that in ways that could create
a war capability, a war machine like no one had ever seen from, but not just the size
of the output that we were able to achieve.
And I describe that in the book.
You know, the shipyards, by 1944, Billy, Eight aircraft carriers a month turning out a merchant ship three times, three a day.
Warplanes coming off of the assembly line, you know, every 15 minutes.
But, which was also able to create this super bomber, the B-29.
I talk about that in detail about the book.
An impossible undertaking in terms of the complexity of the technologies that were involved.
Makes the building of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter look pretty straightforward and elementary by comparison.
And then, of course, the atomic bomb.
The productivity of the economy became a driver for innovation and for new ideas and new and better ways of doing things.
And that, I think, is an essential story for all of these, all the books that you've very kindly brought up
and have talked about here as well.
Once you've got that set of virtues, you can turn that energy loose,
either to do evil or you can turn it loose to do good.
And in a society, in a government like ours, the American experiment, it's possible and we can do that,
we have done it.
And I think, Steve, my own view is we're gonna do it again.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's what I want to ask you.
Those sets of virtues and that sense of urgency or the unleashing of the animal spirits, is that, are we like the Scots to a degree?
I mean, do we still have those virtues, not just in leadership, but also in the American people, the common man and woman?
And do we have that sense of urgency or that ability to unleash the animal spirits to take us to the next level?
unidentified
My own view is, I think we do.
And I think that all the kind of negative stories that you hear about are Gen Zers and the other preceding generations and everything that makes you despair about, you know, the kids who spend, waste their time on TikTok and with being absorbed into this unreality of social media, et cetera, et cetera.
For every one of those kids, I see them and I meet them all the time.
The kids who believe strongly in this country, who are working hard to find a way in which they can contribute to the future for whom the world of Computers of coding of high-tech has just drawn in and drawn out their best qualities in many ways and who I think are precisely as we were just saying waiting for opportunities waiting for opportunities to turn that energy
To turn those imaginations and direct them towards ways that will make us stronger and will also, I think, defend freedom in the broadest possible sense and make America really what it is and should be.
You know, this enormous great experiment in how free people can create the lives for themselves and become a beacon unto the rest of the world.
Doesn't mean it's inevitable.
Things can go wrong, and things have gone wrong.
But I'm a firm believer that the American experiment is alive and well, and is waiting for us all, waiting for the green light.
Uh, to be turned loose.
I see this, you know, with my book, Freedom's Forge, and the response that I get from, uh, in the defense community, from startups.
I see it in the realm of artificial intelligence and quantum and high tech.
Uh, these incredible youngsters, incredible new gen- this rising generation that sometimes I have to say, Steve, I think about as the next greatest generation.
I think they're there.
It's just, they're waiting for the institutions to recognize them and turn them loose.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Author, if you can hang on for one second, our guest is author Herman, one of the, I think the best writers of history and kind of understanding historical process.
Short commercial break.
unidentified
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So, author, a couple things.
Just one, when you find a topic, there's not a book out there that you think, what's the process?
Your research, then how long it takes to write, to plan it.
You've done ten books, and you've done ten books over how many years?
unidentified
I'd say the first one, The Idea of Decline in Western History, that came out in 1997.
Absolutely.
And I think one of the things that I can say about the book, usually I try to do a book every two
years, is that, and this is part of that, you know, that curiosity, is that they're all,
these books cover a wide range, you know. I mean, anyone else would sort of say,
how is it that one leads to the next to the next?
And I say, well, actually, there is a roadmap in my mind that leads one to the next.
But they're not all sort of on the same subject, or each one is not a rewrite of the last one.
That's not how my work is.
And I would get really bored doing that.
And there's nothing worse than boring yourself.
I really need to keep stimulated and need to keep looking ahead and learning new stuff and finding out about new ways.
It's one of the reasons that drew me to quantum technology, for example.
I'm not a physicist, I'm not an engineer, but I came to suddenly realize that quantum technology and quantum computers were going to play this huge role in shaping the future of the 21st century.
I said, I've got to learn everything I can about it and about how that works.
So most of my writing work is, and one of the things that I think has really been helpful for me, is Not to try and do all the research before you start writing.
I like to start writing right off the bat, to develop an outline, to develop a sense of what each character, each of the chapters is going to look like, what I'm going to want to say based on the first round of research.
And so if you kind of think about it in that way, that you write the book and then you do the research,
that makes it much easier to have a kind of coherence that goes with the final product,
because it's already fixed in your mind.
This is what I need, this is what I don't need in order to bring this book to a conclusion
in order to finish that up.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
For people to be able to get access to your writings, Is there a book you would recommend start with?
I hate to ask a writer if he has a favorite book, but what would be your recommendation for an audience that maybe is not familiar with your work to start getting access to it?
unidentified
You know, if you ask that, my wife, Beth, people ask that question.
So what's his favorite book?
And she said, usually it's the one he just published.
And it is.
And it is true.
I mean, it's like your kids, right?
People say to you, which is your favorite child?
I mean, I can answer a question like that.
They all have their different character, their different directions.
But I suppose if I were to pick one in which to really get started with, maybe the one that we've been, one of the ones we've been talking about, how the Scots invented the modern world.
is a good place to start because I think it's it's paced very well as a good flow to it.
People have talked to me about this, about books are, these people say, do not pick up one of Arthur Herman's
books before you go to bed, because you won't turn out the light.
You really want to find out what happens next.
And I think that's an important role for anybody who's writing history and trying to recreate
a historical epoch for people that they can immerse themselves involved in.
I would also recommend The Cave in the Light, which is the book on the eternal struggle
between the followers of Plato and Aristotle.
I'm really happy that you read it and that you appreciate it.
It's a book that has been used, for example, in high school classes.
Interestingly enough, advanced placement classes have used it because it's really a kind of history of Western civilization.
is what that book is really all about.
And tracing that through the evolution of great books.
And that was one of the reasons I wrote that book, is to clue people onto the great texts
and the great works that underlie our civilization.
And to make them, perk their interest and curiosity about them as well as about the two main characters,
Plato and Aristotle.
And Freedom's Forge.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Freedom's Forge for sure.
I think that's my...
I know.
It's rare for me to go by a week without two or three people writing to me and saying, you know, my father, now they say my grandfather, you know, or grandmother, worked in a factory in New Jersey and worked at the assembly line building tanks or worked in the Kaiser shipyards, etc.
So I think people will find themselves and their family in that book and the experiences that they went through in that book, which I think also makes it a great starting point for people to understand our world, but also to maybe think about the book they want to read next by Arthur Herman.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
By the way, the Vikings, obviously, you can't put it down.
You know the basic art that keep them turning the page.
They want to turn the page.
There's no doubt.
That's one reason I think your books are so powerful.
Let's turn to the article.
The article about artificial intelligence, the Chinese Communist Party, Xi, the new Cold War.
It's got a lot of bad news in there.
I think a reality check.
I shouldn't say bad news.
Walk us through that piece and what drove you to write that commentary?
unidentified
Well, I'm glad you put it that way, too.
It's a wake-up call.
It can be somewhat overwhelming when you come to realize the degree to which, just in a couple of decades, China has managed to seize upon this technology, artificial intelligence, machine learning, and have used it as a means to advance their global hegemony in really powerful and systematic ways.
And what I wanted to do in this article One reason I chose commentary magazine is because I wanted to write a long article and I've written many articles for commentary magazine over the years and one of the things that I appreciate about them is that they give me room to really explore and explain a subject and I felt with something as important as artificial intelligence and machine learning as a technology as well as what China
Working with that technology, that commentary would be a perfect venue in which to lay that out and explain it and set it out.
And what the article really does is show that the Chinese, and President Xi in particular, this is his baby.
You know, turning China into the leading artificial intelligence nation.
This has been his goal over the last, well, probably the last seven, eight years at least.
And you see it really, I think, in four important areas that we need to keep track of, Steve, in terms of where China is with this technology.
The first is, of course, the way it reinforces the ability to project a total surveillance state.
Through facial recognition, through control over data, control over people's lives.
It's one of the most important and one of the most horrific aspects of this.
Just ask anybody who knows about the experience of the Uyghur minority in China.
They are under the thumb of China's AI machine.
The second area is in the military, the use by and expanding the power, the reach of the military, which is, you know, in terms of being able to advance, for example, unmanned aircraft by using AI in order to coordinate and to speed up decision making and the use of that, use of it for understanding and extracting conclusions from data.
But also to make it possible to make decisions faster in the battlefield, whether it's a cyber battlefield or a physical battlefield, the ability of commanders to assimilate the information they need to make an informed decision about what to do next.
is crucial, and artificial intelligence allows you to do that.
The Chinese grasp it, and they have advanced it, and the military has created all these
institutes, as I explain in the article, to explore and look for ways in which the military
is able to use that.
But there's also a third area of this, too, Steve, and that is that they have turned to
AI as a tool for transforming their industrial economy.
That through AI, if you take AI and you couple it with robotics, that you have ways to turn
a shipyard or to turn a factory or to turn a warehouse or a transit system into a smooth
running, efficient, autonomous, autonomous, autonomous, autonomous, autonomous, autonomous,
A highly, highly effective and productive system, all without having to have a single human hand, a human operator involved.
Simply supervising, human supervising the overall process here.
And this is, I think, of all of the areas in which the United States has been negligent with regard to what the possibilities of AI and machine learning are.
This is the one I think that we really need to think about for ourselves and really take seriously here too.
You know, we've spent all the media, our media has spent so much time worrying about AI and whether it's going to allow, you know, high school students to cheat on their, you know, term papers when China is using it to transform and to up their game as an industrial and as an economic power.
We've lost a lot of time.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you talked about quantum.
I mean, Made in China 2025, when you see the 10 technologies they laid out, the five of them are ones that drive you to the singularity.
Arthur, we got to bounce.
We're going to get you back on.
This is amazing.
And we're the leaders in the anti-CCP movement, and this is another great reason.
why we got to get on top of that. Right now I want people to, where do they go for your writings,
the web page, how they get access to your books, how they get access to any of your
current writings, also if you're doing any visits or book tours or whatever, where do they go?
unidentified
Probably the best place to go find my books is on Amazon or on Barnes & Noble,
the website there too. I recommend it.
Barnes & Noble.
I always find the books arrive in great shape and are well packed and organized with it.
So Amazon is a great place in which to find those.
You can go to Barnes & Noble, go to your local bookstore.
Copies of Viking Heart, of Freedom's Forge, How the Scots, even my biography of Douglas MacArthur, which we didn't get a chance to talk about, which is also a favorite of mine.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's amazing.
unidentified
A pick—an Amazon pick for best history.
And then, also, at Hudson Institute, you can check in under experts, and you can find some of my most recent publications and most recent reports and work that I do on a whole range of areas, from defense industrial base to advanced technology to even questions about how do we rebuild Ukraine when this horrific war is finally over.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Arthur Herman, thank you so much for taking time away today.
We'll have you on in the future, and you and I can debate about rebuilding Ukraine, but that's a topic for another day.
Love your writing, love your analysis, love it all.
Thank you.
Honored to have you on here, sir.
Waited years to do this, so glad to have you on.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
Well, it's been a great pleasure, and I'd be very happy to come back and talk.
It'd be great.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
If I can recommend over the you pick up one of these and start over the weekend you won't put whatever one you pick you won't put down and you'll want to go to the next so pick them but that's how the Scots invented the modern world pretty good place to start.
Judge Gableman I still just very specifically because after your interview yesterday the audience's head blew up getting I just want you to make the case again that if we don't remove Robin Voss As a Speaker of the House in Wisconsin, your theory of the case is President Trump will not be able to win the presidential election.
Am I stating that fairly?
mike gableman ▲ ● ▼
You're absolutely stating it correctly, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So walk me through why you believe that is so, sir.
mike gableman ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
You know, Steve, the reason why I do believe And I've held this belief for some time now, which has been one of the prime motivating factors in me seeking and working for the recall of Robin Voss.
You know, the Wisconsin Elections Commission, which runs all of our elections in this state, was the creation of Robin Voss.
And I believe that Robin Voss controls the Wisconsin Elections Commission.
And it was the Wisconsin Elections Commission Through all of its illegal conduct.
And I'm saying it's not up for debate.
Even when they did it, even when they did some of their actions in the 2020 election, the Wisconsin Elections Commission acknowledged that they were going against the law.
Think about that.
This is an organization created by Robin Voss, supervised by Robin Voss, under the control of Robin Voss.
And they did everything, WECC, Wisconsin Elections Commission, did everything they could in 2020 to make sure that Joe Biden was declared the winner in Wisconsin.
Now, I delivered my 132 page report in March of 2022.
And the first recommendation I made to the Wisconsin legislature was to abolish the corrupt derelict Wisconsin Elections Commission.
Not only has nobody and I noticed that the lying garbage Wall Street Journal article from the other day didn't touch upon the fact that not one word of my 132 page report has been demonstrated to be false or misleading or untrue.
In fact, everything I wrote has only been expanded and it just gets worse and worse.
So Robin Voss, who controls the legislature, he basically controls the Assembly and the Senate.
He likes to foster the image of a tyrant.
He likes to threaten people who disagree with him with jail and prison, and will often, I have heard, tell people in his caucus, you either get in line or you're going to go to prison like that other Representative that I put in jail.
I mean, it's pathetic.
He also controls it with a lot of money.
But here's why I believe that if Robin Voss is still in office, Robin has been protecting the head of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, a woman named Megan Wolf, whose term expired a year ago.
The Senate president wrote a letter that he made public.
He wrote that letter to Robin Voss in Robin's capacity as Speaker of our Wisconsin Assembly, begging Robin Voss to impeach Megan and send the matter over to the Senate because the Senate had the votes to terminate her from office.
Robin not only refused to do that, Robin Voss doubled down.
And I have heard that he told his caucus that Megan Wolf was his hill to die on.
In other words, he was going to protect Megan Wolf, the head of the corrupt, derelict, negligent, unfair Wisconsin Elections Commission, no matter what the cost.
And when I saw that, when I heard that, and when I heard other things, I knew that Robin had to go.
Because not only has he failed to act, On any of the dozens of areas of corruption and illegalities and wrongdoing and naked partisan political acts to favor Joe Biden that the Wisconsin Elections Commission engaged in.
I'm talking about failing to protect military absentee ballots.
I'm talking about maintaining a list of voters in this state, which includes 3 million people that we know who are dead or who have moved away from the state.
We know that they're part of the 3 million, but they keep that extra stock of spare names on the voters list.
And if, as I said to the legislature in March of 2022, If the Wisconsin Elections Commission is not totally corrupt and nakedly partisan on the side of Joe Biden, they are doing everything they can to give the impression that they are.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Robin Voss has not only failed, Hang on, we're gonna have you, I gotta bounce, I gotta have you back on tomorrow.
This is too important.
And it's shocking to me that Judge Gableman and a handful of other people are taking this for action because this is a ticking, we have a ticking time bomb.
In Wisconsin, and we have to face reality.
We have to face it.
Judge Gabelman, I know you're still not up on social media.
We're going to work with you and book you tomorrow or the next day.
We've got to get to the bottom of this, of this recall of Robin Vosick, particularly I think the 27th or 28th, they have to deal with it.
Judge, thank you so much.
We'll have you back on here.
And I think we know categorically, the Wall Street Journal, that was a hit piece on you.
That editorial had no basis in reality.
So thank you very much, Judge.
Gableman's dedicated his life to the rule of law, right?
And to law and order.
And he's thrown down hard in Wisconsin.
I think it's time that everybody did.
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