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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
Pray for our enemies. | ||
Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
It's going to happen. | ||
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved! | ||
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War Room. | |
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | ||
Monday, 10 June in the year of our Lord 2024. | ||
Thank you for sticking around at the second hour of The Morning Show. | ||
We'll be back, obviously, 5 to 7 at night. | ||
We'll go through, we got It's already packed, so it's going to be quite a wild day here in the world. | ||
Remember, next man up! | ||
They cannot shut down the war room, and the reason they can't shut down the war room, they can't shut down you! | ||
It's all on your shoulders, as you know, as you know well. | ||
Gotta take the pressure off President Trump. | ||
Gotta make sure you're next man up, just like at Normandy. | ||
This Saturday, also, we're gonna be doing a special, we're gonna do the show, we're gonna live, we're gonna have all the, we're gonna be up at the convention, the People's Convention, but we're going to have a commemoration of Saipan. | ||
Remember Saipan, the amphibious assault on Saipan in the Pacific was at the same scale of Normandy. | ||
So within, what, seven days, one week of each other, you had both landings at Normandy and at Saipan. | ||
We will commemorate the United States Navy, the Marine Corps, the Army, Army Air Corps, everybody that pulled that off and connect the dots. | ||
Between the two and the concept of Next Man Up. | ||
Sheriff Mac, first off, where are you from? | ||
Tell people, what county were you sheriff of and where do you come from? | ||
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I was sheriff of Graham County, like Graham Cracker in Southeast Arizona in the 90s. | |
And then ever since then, I've been touring the country and doing seminars and forming the CSPOA and trying to bring more attention to The freedom issues across the country and that we are abandoning our Constitution and the federal government is destroying our Constitution pragmatically because they just don't think they have to follow the law. | ||
That's what I'm amazed by the press is they don't watch the politicians of Washington, D.C., who violate it every day, including Joe Biden and his administration. | ||
They violate the Constitution every day and then they come back and say they want to save the Constitution and save liberty, which is an absolute joke. | ||
So, one question I have for every person in the country, especially the press. | ||
Sheriff Chronister in Florida, in Tampa, arrested Pastor Rodney Howard Brown for having church service a couple of years ago. | ||
Sheriff Hamilton in New Mexico defended Pastor Caleb Cooper in keeping his church open against the state trying to shut them down because of COVID. | ||
And said that they weren't essential, so they had to shut down. | ||
Let me tell you, folks, right now, which type of sheriff do you want in your county and in your community? | ||
The one that defends the First Amendment or the one that trashes it and walks all over it and arrests a pastor for having church? | ||
This is exactly what we are at the CSPOA. | ||
We're trying to make sure that our sheriffs stand for liberty and stand for the Constitution, no matter what else is going on. | ||
We stand for liberty, we stand for civil rights, and we promote the holy cause of liberty, no matter what the other pressures are politically, to do the opposite. | ||
Do you believe America today is a post-constitutional society? | ||
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It's getting that way. | |
Yeah, obviously. | ||
I think the Constitution is on her deathbed. | ||
And it's all because government is pushing it that way. | ||
And then national organization, communist organizations, like the Southern Poverty Law Center and others that are out there, intentionally trying to destroy our country and the American way. | ||
And what the Founding Fathers established for America, this works. | ||
We're not in trouble because we follow the Constitution too strictly. | ||
Far from it. | ||
Those leaders like Obama and Biden who said they're fundamentally going to change America. | ||
Well, the fundamentals of America are civil rights and God-given rights and individual liberty and the idea that I can run my own life and be successful and have a job and have a career and own a business and be left alone by government. | ||
If I'm not doing anything wrong, government has to leave me alone. | ||
Sheriff Mack, one of the central theses of, because we were there at the beginning on the evening of, what was it? | ||
3 November of 2021. | ||
The central theses of this show is that the Biden regime is illegitimate. | ||
They did not, in fact, they stole the 2020 election. | ||
President Trump actually won it and won it big. | ||
Does the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association have a stand on that? | ||
Or you personally, do you believe that Joe Biden is the legitimate president of the United States? | ||
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Well, I believe he's a criminal. | |
He obviously doesn't care about the Constitution. | ||
And what I told Sarah Sidner on CNN is it has not been properly investigated. | ||
And I would like to see the election be investigated from 20 and 22, both. | ||
Both were wrought with problems. | ||
And no one has really conducted an investigation, except there's a few sheriffs that have. | ||
San Juan County, California sheriff arrested a local city councilman Uh, for, uh, vote harvesting. | ||
Uh, and he's been arrested and there, uh, Sheriff Wilmot and Yuma made some arrests for election fraud and Sheriff Darleaf has been investigating in Michigan, uh, uh, election fraud for three years now. | ||
And he, his hasn't culminated in arrest yet, but, uh, the secretary of state and the governor's office keep getting in his way. | ||
They say there's no election fraud, but they keep trying to arrest him, arrest him because he's investigating election fraud. | ||
And so my deal, to make sure your question is answered specifically, no one has done a thorough investigation of this. | ||
The few that have, have made arrests, but every sheriff in this country should have been doing some sort of investigation to make sure the elections were not fraudulent in their counties. | ||
And only a handful did. | ||
Would you call for the House of Representatives that are controlled by the Republicans to actually do a formal investigation into the 2020 and 22 election to adjudicate it and obviously have Democrats as minority members of a committee or put it to the judiciary oversight or however you want to do it but you have you have a ranking member of Democrat and you have they have minority counsel so they can look at the evidence and cross-examine witnesses would you call for that? | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
Yes. | ||
And sheriffs should be doing their own. | ||
If this occurred in their counties, they have an obligation to do their own investigations. | ||
But one by Congress? | ||
Absolutely. | ||
They have an obligation to do this, and they should have already done it. | ||
Sheriff, everybody in the audience right now wants to go to the site, find out more, find out who are in the Constitutional Sheriffs. | ||
I think ask their local guys, many who they revere, how come you're not a part of this? | ||
So where do they go right now to find all of it? | ||
And what is your social media? | ||
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Well, folks, Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is our social media. | |
Go to our website. | ||
Every American can be a member of the CSPOA, the Constitutional Sheriffs. | ||
The CSPOA posse is what every single American—we have to have people involved in this process. | ||
Don't expect your sheriff to do it alone. | ||
He needs your support. | ||
We need your support. | ||
Become a member today at CSPOA.org. | ||
Stands for Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. | ||
The American people have got to be involved in this peaceful and effective process. | ||
Become a member today. | ||
CSPOA.org. | ||
Thank you. | ||
Do you have social media or are you too Old Testament, too old school for that? | ||
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Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. | |
And mostly get a hold of me from our website, cspoa.org. | ||
Sheriff Mack, thank you for spending time with us. | ||
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I'm available to speak at his event. | |
I'm going to do that right after the show. | ||
We look forward to having you there. | ||
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All right, thanks. | |
Thank you, Sheriff Mac. | ||
Appreciate it. | ||
Gotta get Sheriff Mac there, man. | ||
Can't be a People's Convention unless you get the Constitutional Sheriffs there. | ||
Talk to Charlie right afterwards. | ||
Jim Rickards, huge bombshell. | ||
Macron is, you've kind of called a lot of this. | ||
You said these governments were on shaky ground. | ||
We've never had a European parliamentary election that's really rattled national governments like yesterday, and it's an earthquake. | ||
We're the Macron rolling the dice to dissolve it. | ||
Give us your overall view, and what does that mean for us here in the good old United States of America, sir? | ||
Well, you're absolutely right, Steve. | ||
It is an earthquake, but it's an earthquake you can see coming. | ||
Real earthquakes are really hard to predict, but at this point you can see coming. | ||
But it's interesting, the left wing and their outlets, the Economist, Financial Times, Italian, French, newspapers, etc. | ||
They're in denial about this. | ||
Again, they kind of saw it coming, but now that it's here, There's no denying it. | ||
So what happened? | ||
This is the European Parliament. | ||
Just to explain, this is not any individual country. | ||
So it's not the French Parliament or the German Bundestag. | ||
This is European-wide. | ||
But it's very powerful. | ||
They can write laws and make rules and apply to basically everyone who's a member of the European Union. | ||
So it's not some kind of show thing. | ||
It really does matter. | ||
And in the European system, really elsewhere around the world, pretty much everywhere except the United States, you have multiple parties. | ||
We just have kind of two main parties and, you know, it's a winner, loser, that's it. | ||
But here, you know, you have seven or eight main parties. | ||
They all get different percentages, etc. | ||
And so you form these coalitions. | ||
So what happened? | ||
The two of the main parties, there's the ECR, which is the European Conservative and Reformist Party. | ||
And then there's something called the EPP, the European People's Party. | ||
Those are the, I would say, center-right. | ||
None of these are kind of hard, extreme right, but they're center-right. | ||
Together, they got 35% of the vote. | ||
ECR got 10% and EPP got 25%. | ||
So they're 35% of this new parliament. | ||
Now you take the traditional parties, which are center-left or hard-left, there's the S&D, the Socialists, and then the, somebody called the, The Renew Party, which is Macron's, Emmanuel Macron, President of France, that's his party. | ||
They got a combined 31%. | ||
So that's a shock. | ||
The conservatives basically got 35% solid. | ||
The liberals and the progressives got 31%. | ||
There's another 30 or so percent divided among a lot of parties. | ||
But it looks like the conservatives might actually be able to form A coalition that will, if not, that will be very powerful, if not dominate the European Parliament. | ||
Now, having said that, there are other things going on in Europe that are leaning the same way. | ||
This is towards, now the left wing wants to paint it as these are, you know, they're anti-democracy, they're neo-Nazi, you know, the usual name-calling that goes on. | ||
The truth is, the common thread is nationalism. | ||
It's, you know, make the Slovak Republic great again or make Hungary first and so forth. | ||
Not unlike what Trump's doing in the United States. | ||
So this is not, you know, extreme right-wing, fascist, anything. | ||
This is saying, what about my country? | ||
What about, and can we work together? | ||
And that's really now dominating Europe. | ||
It's the opposite of globalism. | ||
The thing that, the anti-globalists, the number one issue that united those folks, and quite frankly still the number one issue here next to the economy, is this mass invasion from the Middle East and from Sub-Saharan Africa and here from all over the world, but particularly Latin America, Central America. | ||
Is the one commonality that your nation has a culture, a society, a border, and that you want to blow these globalists out because they've just allowed this mass invasion? | ||
That's one of the commonalities, and it's a very powerful one. | ||
So yes, I would definitely look at that. | ||
There are some other things. | ||
A lot of this is anti-green. | ||
The thing with the Green Movement, it's not just, you know, talking points anywhere. | ||
They actually kind of took over in Germany. | ||
They shut down every coal-burning plant. | ||
They shut down all but one or two nuclear power plants. | ||
Germany is in a recession. | ||
Germany is outsourcing its manufacturing. | ||
Like, wait a second. | ||
Germany is an industrial powerhouse. | ||
They're like the manufacturing shop of the world. | ||
Why are they outsourcing to Hungary and other countries? | ||
And the reason is that their energy costs are too high, but the reason for that is they shut down | ||
all the power plants. | ||
So there's an anti-green backlash, definitely anti-illegal immigration backlash, | ||
kind of, you know, what's wrong with culture? | ||
I was in the Slovak Republic not long ago, I was privileged to, was invited by a member | ||
of the parliament to go, you know, get on the floor of the parliament. | ||
I visited, met with some members. | ||
I was in a little, I went to the old town square in Bratislava, that's the capital, | ||
and there's a church and it had a facade, and it was sort of a stucco facade. | ||
It was very nice, not a huge cathedral, but a nice church. | ||
And there was this cannonball stuck in the facade. | ||
And I said to my guide, I said, what's that? | ||
And he goes, well, the cannonball was from Napoleon. | ||
They cleaned up the rest of it and fixed it, but they left that one cannonball | ||
just to remind them of how much they hate the French. | ||
And that just shows you the kind of Europeans that can hold a grudge. | ||
But the point is, they have cultures, they have their own languages, they are nationalists. | ||
There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
Why do we want all these cultures to be erased? | ||
And so yeah, immigration, the anti-green, Uh, and, you know, what's wrong with my country and my language, etc. | ||
That's what unites them. | ||
They may all have different cultures and backgrounds and languages, but they agree that there's a role for nationalism. | ||
Brother Rickards, hang on for one second. | ||
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Republican colleague, Senator Tommy Tuberville, just this past week said on Steve Bannon's show that Vladimir Zelensky is a dictator and unconstitutional. | |
And he said this about Vladimir Putin. | ||
He doesn't want Ukraine. | ||
He doesn't want Europe. | ||
He's got enough land of his own. | ||
He just wants to make sure that he does not have United States weapons in Ukraine pointing at Moscow. | ||
Those echo some Russian talking points, Senator. | ||
I wonder if those remarks from your fellow Senator represent the GOP. | ||
So we've been slow as hell of helping Ukraine, but Senator Tuberville's analysis really misses what Putin's all about. | ||
He's an outlier, I think, in the Republican Party. | ||
I like him personally. | ||
But what did Trump do to get the weapons flowing? | ||
He created a loan system. | ||
They're sitting on 10 to 12 trillion dollars of critical minerals in Ukraine. | ||
They could be the richest country in all of Europe. | ||
I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. | ||
If we help Ukraine now, They can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of. | ||
That 10 to 12 trillion dollars of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. | ||
This is a very big deal, how Ukraine ends. | ||
Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. | ||
Let's find a solution to this war. | ||
But they're sitting on a gold mine to give Putin 10 or 12 trillion dollars of critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous. | ||
Whoa, you notice this new argument? | ||
It's just like the illegal alien invasion of our country. | ||
You can't deport anybody because the economy's impeded. | ||
This is how the globalists think. | ||
Is Lindsey Graham not the slimiest of them? | ||
I think he's the slimmiest. | ||
He's working around like a serpent. | ||
You see when he's in President Trump's ear, that poison he's putting in there? | ||
Is this an outlier of the Republican Party? | ||
No, it's pure MAGA. | ||
No more money for Ukraine. | ||
I don't know. | ||
It's maybe outside of the neoliberal neocons of which, you know, his mentor was John McCain. | ||
And by the way, later in the interview he went on and said we must take their assets, turn it into cash, the Russian people's assets, turn it into cash and give it to the Ukraine to fund their war. | ||
Rickards, you've got the best geopolitical sense of anybody. | ||
Walk me through this madness, brother. | ||
Yeah, I guess 500,000 dead Ukrainians are not enough for Lindsey Graham. | ||
I don't know when he's going to stop counting, but maybe a million dead. | ||
He'll think twice about what they're doing. | ||
I guess he had to wash the blood off his hands before he went on CBS. | ||
But he sounded like the way King Leopold would have talked about the Congo 150 years ago. | ||
They've got a lot of resources in the Congo. | ||
Well, they do, and they use slave labor and everything else to exploit them. | ||
So maybe that's what's in store for Ukraine. | ||
Insane. | ||
I mean, first of all, no one has more natural resources than Russia. | ||
So the idea that they're trying to take over Ukraine to get natural resources, I mean, Russia has all they need and China as well. | ||
So this is this is about nationalism. | ||
It's about religion to some extent. | ||
It's about Russian speaking populations. | ||
It's about the way they were treated. | ||
There are a lot of the US spent starting in 2008 with George W. Bush's Bucharest declaration that Ukraine should be in NATO. | ||
We've been provoking the war. | ||
Are you mouthing? | ||
16 years at this point so the idea that Russia started it is also nonsense. | ||
So hold it, Rickerts, Rickerts, hang on. You're one of the most respected guys on Wall Street | ||
with your thinking. You're one of the most respected guys around the world with your | ||
geopolitical thinking. You teach at the Army War College. | ||
Are you mouthing, is Jim Rickerts just mouthing, do you just mouth Putin's talking points? | ||
Because we've got to get this on the He doesn't shoot from the hip. | ||
He thinks about what he's going to say. | ||
Vladimir Putin and the KGB's propaganda, sir? | ||
Well, I'm not mouthing any propaganda, but the thing about, here's the thing about Putin. | ||
He doesn't shoot from the hip. | ||
He thinks about what he's going to say. | ||
He gets good advice. | ||
And when Putin says something, he means it. | ||
Now, there's room for debate. | ||
If you want to disagree, that's fine. | ||
But these are not talking points. | ||
Everything he's done, he said in advance, this is what I'm going to do. | ||
When the CIA and MI6 were on the coup d'etat in 2014 and deposed a duly elected president of Ukraine and installed a puppet, Putin took Crimea. | ||
And as he said, you've crossed the red line, so we're going to take Crimea. | ||
And then later when they attacked Russian populations in the Donbass, he said we're | ||
going to come in and protect the Russian population, Russian speaking population. | ||
But every step of the way, the US has provoked the war. | ||
The US wants this war. | ||
I mean, whether it's Tony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, she's out of government now, | ||
but I'm sure she still has her hand in Hillary Clinton and others. | ||
They all wanted this war. | ||
The reason they impeached Trump the first time was because he tried to put on the brakes | ||
a little bit and they said, no, that's not good enough. | ||
But Steve, you also referred to the other big event. | ||
I think Lindsey Graham might have mentioned this. | ||
And by the way, a lot of times the most important news of the day comes in like three second segments that everybody overlooks. | ||
So I'll tell you what happened yesterday that I ranked it as the number one story, although I haven't seen it reported anywhere. | ||
So, you know, Biden's running around Europe and he's mostly, well, he has dementia, but he has these lucid moments. | ||
If you really understand dementia, the sufferers do have occasional lucid moments. | ||
You have to look for them. | ||
And the report, everyone was talking about, you know, Normandy and Reagan and all this stuff. | ||
But a reporter asked Biden, he said, in your meetings with Emmanuel Macron, who's president of France, did you discuss seizing Russian assets and did you agree on a plan? | ||
And Biden said, yes and yes, and he walked away. | ||
And it was that like sardonic, snarky, condescending tone that he strikes. | ||
but he meant what he said. | ||
So in other words, they've agreed on the plan and they're meeting on Thursday in Napoli, Italy. | ||
It's the G7 meeting. | ||
By the way, Zelensky is invited to the meeting. | ||
Ukraine wouldn't make the G150, let alone the G7. | ||
He's there for a reason, which is obvious, which is they are going to seize these Russian assets. | ||
Now, they might, just to be clear, they might sort of tiptoe into it. | ||
They might see six or eight or maybe 10 billion, not the whole 300 billion, but they'll do it. | ||
You know, it's a slimy tactic. | ||
Take a little bit at a time, but they're going to do it. | ||
They don't go into these summits with a, you know, an open agenda. | ||
Hey, let's talk about it. | ||
They know what they're going to say. | ||
They've agreed in advance. | ||
It was all worked out behind the scenes by the financial institutions. | ||
Is this the day, Jim, is this the day we will mark down years from now as really the technical ending of Bretton Woods? | ||
I know you argue, hey, it happened with Nixon, but when you start taking people's assets And do what you didn't do to the Nazis or Imperial Japan during WWII or the Italians. | ||
Are we crossing, whether it's 5 billion or they're just going to take the profits, they're just going to take the interest, it's just going to be from European banks. | ||
Are we crossing the Rubicon on the dollar as the prime reserve currency? | ||
Yes. | ||
The IMF and the World Bank, the Bretton Woods institutions basically, like Rasputin, you think they're dead and they kind of come back a little bit. | ||
So yeah, 1971, Nixon was a very big deal. | ||
But the IMF continued, the World Bank continued, and the Bretton Woods, it was replaced by what's called the Washington Consensus. | ||
But the Washington Consensus is just the neoliberal globalist consensus, you know, by a different name. | ||
This is the end of that. | ||
When you're actually going to Take central bank assets, freeze them. | ||
OK, that happens. | ||
But then steal them, which they're going to do on Thursday. | ||
You know, I hate to use cliches, but you've crossed every red line. | ||
It doesn't mean, just to be clear, it doesn't mean that we wake up on Friday and there's no U.S. | ||
Treasury market. | ||
The Treasury market will continue. | ||
The dollar is not going away. | ||
But this is a turning point. | ||
This is where alternatives to that, you know, the new BRICS currency, which is still probably a few years away. | ||
But the biggest alternative, the one that's here today and has been around forever, practically, that you can go to is gold. | ||
So again, if the U.S. | ||
is stealing U.S. | ||
Treasury securities from someone who bought them legally, which is what we're doing, and you're a reserve manager for Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, all these countries have hundreds of billions, if not a trillion dollars or more of investments in the reserve positions, mainly in U.S. | ||
Treasury securities. | ||
And you watch this happen. | ||
You don't like Italian or German or Japanese bonds any better, but you can go to gold today. | ||
You don't have to wait for the BRICS. | ||
You don't have to wait for the other alternatives. | ||
And so at the margin, all these things are going to happen. | ||
But yes, this is crossing a major red line. | ||
There's no turning back because countries are going to say, OK, you can't trust the United States. | ||
So find an alternative. | ||
Because we're following people like Lindsey Graham. | ||
This is what this fight's got to be. | ||
And they sit right there and say, well, this is not the outside. | ||
This is not the Republican Party thinks. | ||
This is what MAGA thinks. | ||
This is what America First thinks. | ||
And that's what's important. | ||
Jim, how do people love your geopolitical take on things, capital markets? | ||
How do they get strategic intelligence? | ||
And most importantly, they get the freebie, you toss it in now, of the new case for gold. | ||
And I got to tell you, he's not a gold bug, right? | ||
That's why this book's so powerful. | ||
So where do they go, sir? | ||
I mean, go to RickardsWarRoom.com. | ||
So RickardsWarRoom.com. | ||
That's the landing page. | ||
You'll be able to subscribe to our flagship newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. | ||
But this is the only place you'll get a free copy of the new case for gold. | ||
So if you subscribe, we'll send you a copy of the new case for gold. | ||
I always tell people it's free, but, you know, the cover is a collector's item. | ||
You actually need real gold to get a cover like that. | ||
But we wrote this. | ||
I heard so many questions that were misguided, like the question meant that the person didn't really understand how gold | ||
works. | ||
So I said, I'm just going to write a book and then I'll just give you a copy of the | ||
book and it answers all the questions. | ||
So hopefully people get a lot out of it. | ||
But it's not a it's a bit of a manifesto, but it's not saying you have to have a gold | ||
standard, but it points to the role of gold as a monetary asset. | ||
We're now we have three generations where no one has been taught that gold is a monetary | ||
asset. | ||
But of course it is. | ||
Why does the US have a thousand tons? | ||
So Rickardswarroom.com. | ||
We'd love to get you on after the G7 meeting, maybe on Friday, but I'll work with you afterwards. | ||
The audience loves you and loves your analysis. | ||
So thank you for coming on the day after the weekend voting in Europe. | ||
Really appreciate it. | ||
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The equipment's not totally there. | ||
John Fredericks is keeping us up to date. | ||
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Short break. | ||
We're going to the Supreme Court next in the War Room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
I, I'm, I'm gonna let, um, I'm going to let Mike Lindell break it, but I think we've got big news on this recall up in Wisconsin. | ||
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Really honored, and there's not a name, and we haven't spent enough time on this organization, but obviously we do a lot on the deconstruction of the administrative state and the deep state. | ||
Mark Chenoweth joins us, President and Chief Legal at the, what, you're at the Alliance of New Civil Rights, Liberty, New Civil Liberties Alliance. | ||
You're not a MAGA institution, you're straight down the middle, you're nonpartisan, you go after Republicans and Democrats, but your founding is a guy That every American should know that's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met. | ||
We have him in the way of Phil Hamburger, who is kind of the chief intellectual architect of thinking about the administrative state. | ||
Is that correct, sir? | ||
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He's the founder. | |
We're the brainchild of Phil Hamburger and his vision for how we need to put constitutional guardrails around the administrative state. | ||
Talk about the administrative state. | ||
We do it a lot here, but it's kind of a fourth branch of government, not in the Constitution, never dreamed of. | ||
In fact, it would be a nightmare to the framers and the founders of this republic. | ||
But what is administrative state, and how is it metastasized so big that we have to have organizations like yours that focus on how you deconstruct it? | ||
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Yeah, so the administrative state is that alphabet soup of agencies that you've heard of. | |
It includes the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, any of these three or four letter agencies that are out there in the executive branch that are passing the rules and regulations that at this point have a lot bigger effect on your life than what Congress is doing. | ||
Congress passes You know, maybe a few dozen laws a year, and these rules and regulations take up thousands and thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of pages in the Code of Federal Regulations that impinge on your liberty. | ||
And so that's what the administrative state is. | ||
In terms of your question, Steve, how did we get here? | ||
How did we, I mean, so Philip Hamberger wrote a 700-page book going into some of that, but The real gist of it is that Congress has delegated too much legislative power over to these agencies. | ||
And of course, the agencies have been too happy to use that power. | ||
But the Constitution, the very beginning, Article 1, Section 1, the very first sentence of the Constitution after the preamble, says that all legislative power is in Congress, not in these federal agencies. | ||
Congress is not supposed to be able to delegate any of this legislative power. | ||
And the fact that it's done so, and that courts have let Congress get away with doing so, is why we are where we are, where we have all of these federal administrative agencies impinging on people's liberty, oftentimes even without Congress having passed a law to give them the authority to do so. | ||
This is what when people use the term the swamp or the cartel or they talk about the seven trillion dollars we're spending, the two or three trillion dollars of discretionary, the overspending. | ||
It all gets back to this. | ||
It all gets back to there's this thing that's been set up and kind of look the other way. | ||
You pass these huge laws and then they use these agencies to implement. | ||
But this is the heart of the beast. | ||
If you don't attack, if you don't go after this, you can never control government. | ||
And it builds on itself every year. | ||
Is that a way to look at it? | ||
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I think that's exactly right. | |
It builds on itself. | ||
If you don't get control over this, I mean, it's an untamed beast right now, right? | ||
So what we need is we need a leash. | ||
Pick your favorite metaphor, but we need ways of containing what the administrative state has become. | ||
And if we don't have a containment policy, then it's going to continue to just ride roughshod over Americans' civil liberties. | ||
And that's what we're concerned about. | ||
If the administrative state were able to do all the things that it's doing, Steve, and were able to do so while honoring all of our First Amendment rights and our Second Amendment rights and our Fourth Amendment rights to be free from unlawful searches and so forth, then we could probably live with that. | ||
But that's not what's happening. | ||
The constitutional shortcuts that the administrative state takes every day are what's destroying Americans' civil liberties. | ||
It's the executive branch that's primarily responsible for trampling our civil rights. | ||
And if more of the work had to be done by Congress, you'd see a lot less of this trampling of civil rights that we're all experiencing every day from our federal government. | ||
Because you could point at things and say, hey, he took that vote, we've got to throw that bum out. | ||
Here they do it behind the cloak of these agencies. | ||
I want to go, you know, you've had Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, particularly Gorsuch, a real intellectual and maniacally focused on this. | ||
The Supreme Court has now gotten into the action over the last couple of years. | ||
But there's about to be some decisions, I think four or five, that you break out in this amazing Forbes piece. | ||
Mo and Grace, if you can push it out to everybody, read this piece on Forbes by Mark. | ||
Walk me through what we can anticipate in these decisions that'll happen, I guess, within the next two or three weeks. | ||
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Yeah, by the end of June, for sure. | |
So the first case I talk about is Jarkissi v. SEC. | ||
And there are a couple different things in that case. | ||
But the most important one, from my vantage point, is the jury trial rights, right? | ||
Under the Bill of Rights, we all have the right to a trial by jury if the government is going to come after us. | ||
But somehow we've gotten in this situation. | ||
I say somehow, it's as a result of a 1970s-era Supreme Court decision. | ||
We've gotten into a world where the government has turned your rights into options. | ||
So if they go against you in federal district court, yes, they have to give you a jury. | ||
But if they go against you in one of their own in-house tribunals, suddenly you don't have any right to a trial by jury. | ||
And even if you want to appeal the result of that in-house tribunal, your appeal goes to one of the U.S. | ||
courts of appeal, and there are no juries there either. | ||
So you can be convicted without ever having your jury trial rights respected. | ||
I think the Jarkissi case holds the potential to turn that around and say, no, no, no, no. | ||
The government can't take away your livelihood. | ||
The government can't fine you a million dollars or some other outstanding sum of money if you haven't had a jury weigh in on the facts and be the fact finder in this case. | ||
So that's a super important case. | ||
The next one, is relentless, relentless view Department of Commerce. | ||
And this is the case that holds the promise to overturn Chevron deference. | ||
And I know this gets in the weeds a little bit, but Chevron deference is the 1984 case | ||
that says that if a statute is ambiguous, or if there's a gap in the statute, | ||
that the agency gets to step in and fill that gap. | ||
And as long as what it does is reasonable, then the courts have to defer to that. | ||
Well, what that means in practice is that you and I can't get a fair trial | ||
because if we're up there in court and we have one interpretation of the statute, | ||
and the judge actually agrees that our interpretation of the statute is better, | ||
but the government has a different interpretation of the statute. | ||
As long as the government's interpretation is reasonable, even if the court thinks ours is better, the government still wins. | ||
Now, that's not fair. | ||
No one thinks that that's a fair result, but that's what the current law is when you're trying. | ||
And mind you, that's not true in any other case against the federal government, only when the administrative state is involved. | ||
Is that the rule? | ||
And so we need to get rid of that. | ||
The next case is called Corner Post, and it's another interesting case that involves When can you sue over these rules and regulations? | ||
So there's typically a six-year what they call a statute of limitations. | ||
It just means that after an agency has passed a rule, typically you have six years to sue them if you think there's something unconstitutional about it or they lack statutory power to do what they're doing. | ||
But what if you didn't exist at the time that the rule of regulation came about? | ||
What if your business It wasn't even around until seven or eight years after the rule or regulation came into being. | ||
Well, does the six years mean that you never get a chance to challenge that rule unless you violate the rule and then you raise defenses against it while you're being prosecuted? | ||
Or do you still have a chance to go up against that rule? | ||
I think that's a very important question that the court is going to decide. | ||
And I think, based on oral argument, I think it's going to say, That you do get a chance to sue the agency over that if you didn't have a chance before. | ||
So again, very important set of cases. | ||
There's two or three more we can talk about, Steve. | ||
I don't want to monologue on you here. | ||
Before I lose you, I want to go back to the Chevron deference. | ||
Isn't the Chevron deference one of the absolute keys to this whole thing? | ||
That this is what really, to a large extent, helped with this fundamental transformation? | ||
That gave the Leviathan kind of the high ground to get involved in everything? | ||
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Yeah, I think that's right. | |
That's the drug that Leviathan took that turned it into this super-powered beast that we're having to deal with now. | ||
And by the way, the administrative state is completely addicted to deference, and I think the only way to break that addiction is to overturn Chevron and say, no, no, you don't get this Chevron deference | ||
anymore. | ||
But it's going to be a hard fight, Steve, even if we win this one, which I think we | ||
are going to win relentless, at least to some extent, we'll see how broad a victory the | ||
court gives us. | ||
If it says, as a matter of statutory law, we're right that there's no Chevron deference, | ||
or if they also rule on the Constitution and say that there are constitutional reasons | ||
why Chevron deference can't exist, that'll, that'll, the size of the victory will vary | ||
according to which way it comes down on that. | ||
But either way, you're going to have the administrative state fighting back. | ||
It's going to continue to rely on things like fact deference. | ||
And then it's going to say that everything is a mixed question of law and fact, and so | ||
it still gets deference. | ||
Or it'll be going to Congress, and it'll try to get Congress to put little mini Chevron provisions and statutes that will empower the agency over that just particular statute to fill in gaps. | ||
So there's lots of sort of rearguard actions that everyone's going to have to participate in, even if we win this relentless case, to make sure that forms of judicial deference don't continue to haunt us and continue to empower the administrative state. | ||
This is also coming at it from what President Trump's doing with the teams at Heritage and others at CRA that are working on getting people in there and to deconstruct, to take the billets away, all of it. | ||
Give me a minute before we lose you. | ||
Give me a minute on your organization. | ||
How do people go? | ||
Where do they find out more about it? | ||
You guys are at the tip of the spear. | ||
And like I said, you call balls and strikes. | ||
You're nonpartisan. | ||
So where do folks go? | ||
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Yeah, we have three of these cases pending at the Supreme Court before the end of June, and we filed amicus briefs in the other three or four cases I talk about in the article. | |
NCLAlegal.org is where folks go. | ||
NCLAlegal.org slash donate. | ||
If you care to help us continue to bring these kinds of wonderful cases against the administrative state, we'd appreciate that as well. | ||
But we've got a great team here. | ||
We've got about 27 employees. | ||
About half of those are attorneys. | ||
We spent about $6 million last year bringing all of these kinds of cases. | ||
We have about 40 open cases against the federal government right now, student loan debt cases and whatnot. | ||
So we're very focused on putting constitutional guardrails, not just around a few of the administrative agencies, but around the entire administrative state, Steve. | ||
Wow. | ||
That's the way you tame the beast. | ||
Put it on a leash first and then we'll figure it out later. | ||
Maybe do like Orca did to the great white shark. | ||
Mark Chenoweth, tell Phil Hamburger we love him. | ||
He's one of the great patriots in this country. | ||
One of the great modern patriots. | ||
So tell him thank you. | ||
Thank you for coming on, brother. | ||
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Thanks for having me. | |
Okay, by the way, the site for the Constitutional Sheriffs crashed. | ||
I want to see the exact same type of momentum over to the administrative state. | ||
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But the most important thing was how many people came up and said watching the show changed their lives for the simple reason that we keep saying action, action, action and get involved. | ||
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This is the entire reason they're trying to destroy him. | ||
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And that's why so many good middle class kids go into the system and they just get wrapped up in it and they become these demons that are the enforcers of what we call the credential class underneath the Bayonets. | ||
They consider Trump a class traitor. | ||
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This is what I call next man up. | ||
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Mike Lindell, I think we've seen that in Wisconsin. | ||
Break some news here for me, brother, before we talk about deals. | ||
Great news, everybody. | ||
It's confirmed. | ||
We had enough signatures. | ||
Over 7,000 signatures. | ||
Only 6,850 were required. | ||
So now it's in the hands of the WEC. | ||
On June 28th, they pretty much have to announce the recall. | ||
There's really no other things they could say now. | ||
All the appeals and everything are done. | ||
And now when that recall will be done on August 6th, that'll be a new special election primary. | ||
And so in my mind, Robin Voss, you know, I'm going to sleep very good tonight, Steve, knowing that Robin Voss will be recalled. | ||
And we do have a candidate, but we cannot legally announce the new candidate at this time. | ||
They're doing a press conference in Wisconsin tomorrow, and I will let everybody know about that. | ||
Give me the time because we want to go to that live. | ||
So Robin, according to Mike Lindell, over 7,000 legitimate signatures. | ||
That means the recall has been effectuated. | ||
The press conference tomorrow, I guess it's got to be formally announced by the 28th and then the 6th of August. | ||
I think this is massive. | ||
Robin Voss, one of the biggest blockers outside of those scumbags, scumbags down in Georgia. | ||
And this is sending a signal in the liberal media to get it. | ||
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You're not going to play games. | ||
Particularly like our play games in Wisconsin. | ||
Mike Lindell, you got about two minutes. | ||
People want to know about the deals. | ||
Their heads are blowing up last week. | ||
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