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Episode 3672: Globalists Weap As Populism Sweeps Europe
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unidentified
They said this is a way to essentially stop the far-right, but can you ultimately believe this is the case?
Because when you look at Wilder's performance, his party went from getting zero seats in 2019 to potentially getting seven.
Absolutely, I mean...
The victory of Geert Wilders yesterday was a very clear cut and it's a precursor of what is, I think, going to happen in the next couple of days when we see European elections in various member states where the radical right is supposed to win a great victory.
And it depends, of course, what will happen at the end, what will conclude on Sunday night when all the polls are being closed, how big the bloc of the far right will become in the European Parliament.
Will they actually be able to beat Social Democrats and the classic People's Party, the Christian Democrats?
And become the biggest bloc in European Parliament.
At the same time, one has to also say that this is not a real bloc, because they are very much split over the issue of support to Ukraine.
And as one sees here, for example, Geert Wilders' party was very reluctant on the support for Ukraine.
But now that they are forming a coalition with other right-wing parties here in the Netherlands, You see them actually change their opinion and be able to support Ukraine.
So just to clarify, from a Dutch perspective though, before we go into the European Parliament itself, from a Dutch perspective, according to these exit polls, who won the European vote in this country?
Well, it must be Geert Wilders by far.
I mean, not only did he make a great result in terms of going from one seat to seven, but at the end of the day, it is also a continuation of what we saw back in 2023 in the national elections, where Geert Wilders came out on top, surprisingly big actually, with a landslide victory.
And now he's in charge of the coalition building.
that is almost being done. Ministers have to be sought for the government,
but the coalition of four parties will actually have a normal majority in the Parliament.
There were gasps in the room when Emmanuel Macron announced that he was dissolving Parliament
and that fresh elections would take place on the 30th of June for the first round,
the 7th of July for the second round. That's just around the corner.
And no, people I've been speaking to were not expecting this.
have to go out and start campaigning and they don't have all that much time to do it.
And no, the people I've been speaking to were not expecting this.
They did tell me that when they heard, and we all heard a little earlier on in the evening,
that Emmanuel Macron would be speaking tonight, they were expecting something.
Because first of all, to give you some context, it's very rare for a French president to speak
on the night, on the evening of European elections.
So the fact that he was going to speak, people started saying, well, maybe he's going to say something.
But dissolving parliament, that really caught the room by surprise here.
donald j trump
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most secure border in the history of our country.
We never had a border like that.
We built 571 miles of border wall.
It was unbelievable.
We ended all catch and release.
We had the remaining Mexico safe third country.
And then we had also Title 42.
You remember, everything was so good.
unidentified
I have decided to give you back the choice of your parliament.
I say Soudan will be the next president.
Today you are called upon to vote in the European elections in mainland France, its overseas territories and abroad.
The lesson here is clear.
This is not a good result for the party that supports Europe, including the majority party.
Right parties over the last years have been opposed to all sorts of progress brought about by Europe, protecting our borders, supporting our farmers, supporting Ukraine.
These parties have gained ground across the continent.
In France, they are at nearly 40% of cast votes.
I have always believed that Europe, united and strong, is a good thing for France.
This is a situation that is a concern for me.
If we win Nevada, we win the whole thing.
donald j trump
We win the whole thing.
unidentified
We are proud! We are proud!
donald j trump
That's so nice.
Thank you.
I mean, I'm looking back there as far as the eye can see.
Get out.
Vote.
We're going to make America great again, greater than ever before, and we're going to do it fast.
Thank you.
God bless you.
God bless you, everybody.
unidentified
You know, threats to democracy here in the United States.
When we look across the Atlantic at what happened over the course of this weekend with the European Union's parliamentary elections, and we see the gains that have been made by the far right, in a way you see something different but similar happening, which is the normalization of policies which were once considered out of the norm, which were once considered extreme.
I think my takeaway from the elections in Europe this weekend is that that This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
States. How do you look at what happened over the weekend in those parliamentary elections
and how do you tie it to what's happening here in the United States?
So I was actually hoping I could...
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's how I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
donald j trump
The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved!
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bound.
steve bannon
It's Monday, 10 June in the year of her Lord 2024. Right there was a caddy Kay, formerly
a BBC that she saved the magic words that formerly extreme policies are now mainstream.
That's what you saw yesterday in really a tectonic plate shift.
In Europe, the European parliamentary elections, the right wing or the sovereignty parties showed well, but most importantly at the national level, Blue out the government of France.
That was Macron, they're dissolving Parliament.
There's going to be a big election coming up in a couple of weeks.
Europe's on fire with the right.
We're going to go through the tea.
What actually happened in the European parliamentary election, which may not be as many seats as possible, but the direction of this and what happened at the national level is pretty shocking.
We have Ben Harnwell, our international editor, is in Rome.
Rahim Kassam, who is en route To go to the to go to the People's Convention this week in Detroit and then leave immediately to England for the for the UK election.
I think we're going to get Raheem particularly if we get some support over at National Pulse.
We need we need some more people signing up and that's I think pretty easy to do.
He's going to stick around for this for the monster.
A French election.
I think part of that's the end of June and part of it's in July.
Let's go to, we've got Rahim and Ben.
First, Ben, your assessment of what happened yesterday and implications.
Well, tell me what happened.
Then we'll talk to Rahim about implications for the U.S.
because people are looking at this as a, is all of this that's happening over the next month Laying a predicate like Brexit did in 2016, and of course we know Raheem Kassam was intimately involved in the historic Brexit movement.
So Ben, first your thoughts overall of the European Parliament, how the right-wing parties did, and then let's talk about these national governments, many of whom are in the process of either have already fallen or about to fall.
ben harnwell
Well, Steve, when I started off on this show about three years ago, we spoke in loose terms that across the European Union, the far right, the non-establishment right, the alt-right had around 10 percent, we sort of speculated, across the Union.
It's now clearly around 20 to 25 percent.
Of course, it very much hinges on the national iteration of the populist Nationalist Party in question.
But what it does show that my take on this is that there hasn't been a visible riptide towards populist nationalism, that the mainstream media was clutching its pearls over.
I mean, we're not speculating, say, 200 seats for the Nationalists, but there is clearly an undercurrent that is moving in our direction.
For me, I think that the clear winner is Marine Le Pen in France, who is now set to have the largest political party in the European Parliament.
It won't be the largest group, but she will be, her delegation, her national rally will be the largest party delegation.
She's got a shot to win the whole thing except the presidency and maybe even force him to have an early election on that.
steve bannon
But she could win the whole thing in the next three weeks, right?
big in the European Parliament, but Macron has dissolved Parliament.
She's got a shot to win the whole thing except the presidency and maybe even force him to
have an early election on that, but she could win the whole thing in the next three weeks,
right?
Macron's roll of the dice?
ben harnwell
Well, her ambitions are towards the French presidency rather than forming a government
in the legislature.
That will be her protégé, Jourdan Barthele, young, sort of, I think 27 years old.
But her, her ambition is to leave herself free, not to enter, not to stand in the National Assembly elections, but to run directly against Macron, or Macron's successor, I should say.
He can't.
He shouldn't be able to stand again.
You can't do in France more than two consecutive mandates.
But of course, part of the speculation behind his snap dissolving of Parliament is to resign if it doesn't go his way.
And there's no commentator that thinks it will go his way.
Basically, the European elections yesterday, the National Rally pulled twice his Renaissance party, 32 to 16 percent.
It's amazing.
It's an astonishing result.
A clear, I mean, as I say, I think she is, in the European Union, the clearest victor amongst all the victors.
Hang on a second.
unidentified
Hang on one second. Yeah, go ahead. I'll give you on this point.
ben harnwell
Part of the speculation is what Macron is trying to do is that he wants to set the predicate for resigning the presidency after a dismal showing at this imminent general election and then stand again, which would ordinarily, as I say, ordinarily be prohibited.
But that would leave him a direct runoff against Marine Le Pen in 27.
steve bannon
Rahim, let me bring you in for a second.
We're going to go, because this is so reminiscent, I think, of 16.
Listen, I want to focus on Macron for a second.
Is Joe Biden now the official cooler?
When Obama used to go over there, there would be hundreds of thousands of people.
He went to Berlin.
Everybody's in the streets.
Obama's the greatest.
Obama's fantastic.
Biden goes for three days.
And does nothing but go all around France from Normandy to Paris.
They're on TV every second of the day while the people are voting.
And Macron gets a 15 percent.
I think his party got 15 percent.
He literally got blown out.
Is Biden the cooler?
unidentified
Yeah, I think that's probably inaccurate.
That's probably inaccurate.
dichotomy to pull there, there was definitely a different vibe when Obama used to go over there,
and there was definitely a different way in which it translated to popularity, translated to votes,
when it was seen that, you know, whether it was the French president, the German president,
Italian, Spanish, you name it, was, you know, cavorting with the leader,
the ostensible leader of the free world.
Yeah, he has, Biden has kind of, I wouldn't even say cooled that.
I think he's put a hex on it, quite frankly.
His very presence has probably done nothing net positive to any of these leaders he meets with, Macron included.
And additionally, as more numbers start to come in from, you know, how people voted, why they voted the way they voted over in Europe, Over the next couple of days.
I think we're going to find out that actually, you know, standing with Joe Biden is probably a negative pull on whoever the ticket of whoever, whomever is doing it.
So, you know, you did have major flashpoints in Europe over the last three days.
You definitely had a major flashpoint in France.
That can't be denied.
Get on to Macron's motivations for that as well.
You had a major flashpoint in Germany this morning.
We hear that actually the alternative for Deutschland, who Had a little breakup with Marine Le Pen's national rally in France over the last few weeks.
May end up reuniting over the next couple of days in order to bolster that right-wing European parliamentary group.
But we also need to make sure that we are being level-headed about this.
While there are big flashpoints in France and Germany, probably less you could say in Italy, Spain, for the Dutch, and for the Swedes especially, not quite the night they had hoped for.
steve bannon
Um, but, uh, some big nights, uh, in Belgium.
Uh, also I think Ireland on the national, the local elections.
The right rises, maybe not as quickly as we want it, but here's the thing to remember.
It's a, it's the Overton window.
It's like here in the United States.
It's what MAGA does.
MAGA pulls us farther to the right.
And I think that's a, not just a good thing.
It's necessary for the nation and necessary for the world.
Short commercial break.
Raheem and Ben next in the War Room.
unidentified
to what's happening here in the United States.
So I was actually hoping I could cheer you up a little bit about the European elections because, in fact, it's 27 different elections and some of the results were pretty good.
There was no far-right surge in Scandinavia or in Poland or in Spain.
Actually, the reverse happened in several places.
The center-left were covered in a number of countries, including the Netherlands, including actually even France, where it had almost disappeared.
But it's true that the really Well, the two big stories are in Germany and France, where in Germany, a far-right party that has used explicitly kind of violent and extremist language did do very well.
And of course, in France, where Marine Le Pen's party, which has a long history going back many decades and have been sort of ancient roots really in
Vichy, did extremely well, so well that the president of France has decided to call
snap elections.
I mean I would only say this cautionary thing which is that European elections are often,
they're a little bit odd.
They're not real national elections.
They're often used as a kind of protest votes, or people experiment voting for different kinds of parties that they don't usually vote for.
It may be that Macron's decision to call snap elections, for example, is because he thinks the French—I mean, he's gambling, of course—but he thinks that the French won't vote for Le Pen if they think it means she would actually run the country.
I mean, we'll see.
To tie it to the United States, again, is a little dicey, but I think your basic point, that the language that used to be considered out of bounds in the U.S., language attacking the U.S.
Constitution, attacking other U.S.
institutions, undermining law enforcement, all that kind of language that used to be, would have been considered far out of the mainstream is now normal, and you do have a change in the way people are talking about European politics and European democracy as well.
I think that language that was once on the fringes is now mainstream.
We can say that everywhere.
steve bannon
And Al-Babam, who's a huge fan of President Trump's, as you know, Rahim.
Rahim, is underneath this the signal and what she's talking about that, you know, it's not just about what group's going to be in the European Parliament, how they're going to tee up, but you're seeing a tectonic, you've seen a shift of the Overton window and a shift, a tectonic plate shift.
And it's being driven really by what's happening here in the United, a lot of what's been happening here with MAGA and President Trump.
And since you were there, you were one of the architects of Brexit, and Brexit was the predicate for the Trump win in 2016.
Are you seeing the same types of elements come together?
unidentified
Yeah, I think I am.
I'm less of the cheerleader type for everything that went on in Europe over the last 72 hours, but I do still think it was a net positive, a net positive movement for the political right.
I think there are lots of lessons to take away, which are very useful lessons, and I think there are lots of Little things that you'll start to see at a European
parliamentary level which will have consequences You will have more coming out of the Commission the type of
coalition that Ursula von der Leyen Pulls together at the Commission level will have
consequences and of course you have national domestic consequences in Belgium, of course
But but predominantly in Macron's France and all of that will have a knock-on effect
It will also by the way not just have a direct knock-on effect of what happens in the US in November
But it will have a knock-on effect of what happens in the UK on July 4th and that in turn so you've kind of got this
Snowballing effect whereas you can say, all right You know did the populist nationalist parties win in Europe
as massively as you know, you or I?
You know in our in our in our right far-right fever dreams could have hoped for a pump
Probably not.
But was it enough to get this ball rolling and this snowball effect going?
Absolutely.
I don't think anybody can deny that.
And I think you'll see the other parts of that come together at the French elections, as you say, on June the 30th and then July 7th.
a two-round electoral process for the French domestic legislature, and then of course on
July the 4th for the British general election. Now Macron, it's really interesting the gamble
he's made here, and I think it's made for two reasons.
Number one, you heard just there, basically he's saying, hey, you know, maybe the French will
elect people like Rassemblement Nationale and Le Pen to the European Parliament, but the
European Parliament is often seen as kind of a protest vote.
They definitely won't elect them in such swathes to the National Parliament.
I think he's probably got that calculation incorrect.
But I do think the calculation he's got correct is that on the back of an election like this, the European elections, a party like the Rassemblement Nationale will have expended most of its energy, most of its money on that election and they can't immediately pivot to a new election.
Right now.
So he's hoping that they're drained of resources.
They can't fight this one quite as strongly.
And he doesn't want to wait until they get their hands on the money that they will be owed from having a larger representation at the European Parliament.
Doesn't want that to kick in.
So the best time to do this, the best time to kind of consolidate and protect his base is now.
steve bannon
Ben, your thoughts and observations, particularly people like Gert Wilders, some people could have some real pickups here, right?
And if AFD merges back, my point is the right is on the rise in Europe.
It might not be on the rise as much as you want, but I think people also go to these center-right parties as a way station, like maybe they come and vote Republican because they're a little intimidated by MAGA.
The more they know about MAGA, the more they understand the water's fine, jump in.
Your thoughts?
ben harnwell
Well, looking specifically, Steve, at the European People's Party, the traditional Christian Democrat centre-right grouping, that's emerged as it was before the elections.
It's still the largest political grouping.
And in the European Parliament, it's gained 10 seats.
But what is gameling on outside of that?
And you can look, and I will make the argument that you can look at the EPP as a sort of Gateway drug to the hard stuff, if you like, because there seems to be a shift of people moving to the right, but they're moving one party at a time in each election cycle.
So you go from, say, the hard left to the socialists, to the Greens, to the EPP, and eventually you're going to cycle through and come out in one of the two nationalist groupings, the pro-Atlanticist grouping, which is sort of Georgia Maloney is grouping the European conservatives and reformists, or you'll come out with the identity and democracy grouping, sort of the anti-Atlanticist nationalists.
And that seems to be the broad progression.
And I say that by looking at some of the other parties.
At the implosion of the Liberals, the Greens, socialists have lost, the socialist group lost five seats.
So the left have actually done quite badly.
And you can see, you can intuit that the left have done badly by looking and seeing what the mainstream media is homing in on.
They're really trying to change narratives.
Say, well, look, the Nationalists haven't done brilliantly.
They haven't got the 200 seats.
It's not the riptide.
It's all been that they're sort of for nothing.
These guys are going nowhere.
The best example of that, by the way, so look at Viktor Orban, right?
Because the mainstream media say, no, it's his worst result in years.
You know, he's clearly sort of being rejected by the Hungarian people.
He got 44 percent.
Right.
You can form a very strong government in the UK with 44 percent of the vote.
Georgia Maloney, who the mainstream media is offering up hasanas and burning incense at her altar, and that ought to be a warning to anybody when the mainstream media does that.
She clocked in at 28 percent and everyone's saying how brilliantly she has done.
So compare the 44 percent with Victor Orban with the 28 percent of Georgia Maloney.
Look at the mainstream media's sort of They've got the Crowbar Act.
They've managed the narrative.
And you can actually see that the left-wing parties have really done quite poorly.
And the right-wing parties, the so-called centre-right, the nationalist parties, they've all picked up points.
They've all picked up seats.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
I want to play Cady K one more time and then bring Rahim in about domestic politics, domestic polling right now.
Let's go ahead and play her.
unidentified
You know, threats to democracy here in the United States.
When we look across the Atlantic at what happened over the course of this weekend with the European Union's parliamentary elections, and we see the gains that have been made by the far right, in a way you see something different but similar happening, which is the normalization of policies which were once considered out of the norm, which were once considered extreme.
I think my takeaway from the elections in Europe this weekend is that that contingent of far-right policies and now mainstream in the United States.
How do you look at what happened over the weekend?
steve bannon
Okay, we go right back where we get that cut eventually tight.
We go back to Rahim.
You had this amazing rally in Vegas yesterday, but that comes on what Charlie Kirk and the team put up with the Hispanic and evangelicals in Phoenix.
You had David Sachs and the It's not that we've normalized, we've taken ideas of populist nationalism, the sovereignty movement, and we've made it the center of American politics.
You had Amber Rose's fantastic response to TMZ about they're not brainwashed anymore.
You've looked at the polling.
It's not that we've normalized.
We've taken ideas of populist nationalism, the sovereignty movement, and we've made it
the center of American politics here, have we not, Rahim Ghassan?
unidentified
Yeah, and that is the point of the shifting of the Overton window, right?
That is why I think the Economist's original analysis on what happened in Europe was the right way to look at it.
It wasn't a lurch to the right, but it was inching to the right.
And you've had that now for, well, I would say longer than a decade in the United States, this reorienting, this shifting of the Overton window.
It's almost like the left normalised climate change, right, to the centre parties.
I was talking to Jack Posobiec last night on my podcast, and we did a whole hour on these European results, and he sort of said, well look, you know, isn't the left's losses, the progressive left's losses, a ding to the climate change stuff?
I said, well look, with the EPP, the centrist party, you know, climate change is as much dogma, as much religion to them as it is the social democrat parties, so they kind of shifted the Overton window on that issue.
But on things like migration, especially on the economy, the Overton window has shifted so far to the MAGA right now that actually I was stunned when I looked at some of the CBS and YouGov polling that came out over this weekend.
I took a very early look this morning at that.
And, you know, I have to say, last week I wrote a piece about some of the numbers in the Rasmussen polls not looking so good on the back of the conviction.
These updated numbers actually give me more hope.
We're showing now... Hang on one second.
steve bannon
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unidentified
Your, you know, endorsement of Donald Trump.
I mean, you're all about women's rights issues.
I mean, what was the reason for the big change?
Is Donald Trump not for women's rights issues?
I mean, I guess a lot of people were asking.
He's trying to make America great again.
That's for women, too, right?
That's true.
I mean... Okay.
Well, there you go.
I know.
Does him getting convicted, like, change the way you view him?
Nope.
Not at all.
I mean, do you think you'll help his chances, like, getting, like, re-elected or, like, you'll further him?
I think it helps him more.
Oh, it actually more.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think people see the injustice and what happened and they want to vote for him more than ever.
steve bannon
I know.
unidentified
I wanted to ask you, so it seems like a lot of celebrities are kind of like voting for Trump now.
I mean, why do you think people are kind of like changing their way of like... I think we're just, we just did our research and we're just, you know, we're not brainwashed anymore by the left.
I can say that about myself.
All these years I've been brainwashed and I'm not anymore.
steve bannon
Still the most powerful 90 seconds this entire campaign right there.
Gave it to TMZ with both barrels.
Incredible.
Incredible.
Off the top of the head.
She's on my short list for White House spokesman.
Rahim, you've got some math you've looked at in this big CBS poll over the weekend, the crosstabs as we call it, and it's got some very powerful news there.
I make the statement, Rahim, that Biden's the cooler because he was there for D-Day, but Macron went out of his way to go all over France and to Paris on national TV over and over and over again with Biden and make it like a state visit, make it the biggest deal.
They had the formal dinners, all that, made sure all the media was there.
Biden's the cooler.
The brother finished up with 15% of the vote.
He had to dissolve parliament, call a new election.
It's a massive roll of the dice.
But even best case, he's going to get away with the skin of his teeth and he could get totally blown out and maybe even resign.
Biden's the cooler.
Does that not show up in the U.S.
numbers too?
And I predict you're going to see very few, no Democrats are in trouble.
You're never going to see Tester or Sherrod Brown or these guys on a stage with Joe Biden because he is the cooler brother.
Your thoughts?
unidentified
Yeah, so it absolutely is showing up in the U.S.
numbers as well now, and these numbers, by the way, getting buried by the corporate media when they report these things out.
At The National Pulse, we have an analysis up this morning about some of the most critical numbers in the YouGov and CBS poll.
A 2,000-person poll, 3.2% margin of error, and in that, 84% of Americans, likely voters, have said that they expect to be worse off under a second Biden term.
That is to say, They expect financially things to either get worse or stay on the same downward trajectory as currently.
84% of Americans.
These are unprecedented, depressive numbers that are going towards the end.
They are totally, totally an indictment of Joe Biden and his economic campaign.
steve bannon
Hang on.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
steve bannon
Hang on.
Hang on.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
steve bannon
Give me that number.
What is that number you just said?
unidentified
is not 84 percent. 84 percent? 84 percent. 84. Nearly 98 percent. 84. Hold it. 84 percent of the
steve bannon
84 percent of the American people don't agree on anything.
They say 84 percent of the people say that they'll be in the same shape as the downward
trajectory or worse under Biden economically if he gets a second term? That is correct.
unidentified
That is correct.
It's a stunning number.
It's a staggering number, and it's a bruising number for the Biden campaign.
The numbers across this poll play into line with that as well.
We've got, you know, you can look at the Well, I looked at the strength, OK?
Let's look at the strength of conviction behind people's votes.
So for the Biden supporters, 69% of his supporters say that they have decided and that their support is strong.
But that number is 78% for Donald Trump.
So there is a massive margin of difference there.
The other difference is no Trump supporters, as in 0%.
Of Trump supporters in this poll say that they will probably change at some point.
That does not apply to Biden voters.
6% of people who say they're supporting Joe Biden say that they still might or probably will change and 24% of them say that there is a likelihood of them changing.
So these are incredibly flimsy numbers for Joe Biden.
It shows that there is not a strong base.
steve bannon
But hang on.
And not just that, the turnout.
That shows you guys are saying, hey, maybe I can't vote for Trump, but I can't go vote for this guy.
I'll just stay home.
It's there.
It's there.
MAGA is more focused and more on fire than we've ever been.
These show the Biden numbers are going to be weak as far as turnout.
unidentified
Yeah it does.
Let's go through some of those others.
Registered voters.
Do you think Joe Biden has a vision of where he wants to lead the country?
51% say yes.
The same question asked about Donald Trump.
67% of people say yes.
What is the main reason you would vote for Joe Biden over Donald Trump?
Because I like Joe Biden is 27%.
Mainly to oppose Donald Trump is 54%.
Now you flip that around, you ask Trump supporters that question.
52% say it's because they like Donald Trump.
14% say it's because Trump is a Republican nominee.
34%, a minority, say it's mainly to oppose Joe Biden and his government.
These go on, by the way, and on, and you can see in terms of migration, we have similar numbers.
Again, we talked about the economic numbers there as well.
One of the things that I thought was really interesting here, Steve, Is that while people are pretty split, 57-43, on whether or not the trial in New York was fair, 71% of people responded by saying that conviction of President Trump is not a factor either way in how they will vote.
I think that is another serious, massive number, an indictment against this process, against the DOJ's process.
You know, there's only probably one thing that you might dislike in this poll, and that's that 72% of people say they do not want Donald Trump to seek retribution in a second term.
steve bannon
Well, you know, it's not retribution, it's called justice.
If he asks for retribution, nobody wants retribution.
We just want justice.
unidentified
I do.
steve bannon
Last thing, Rahim, this is why, well, maybe a tiny bit, small r.
The, um, this is why you saw all the stories last week about the Republican operatives and the money as it's coming in, turning to, are you better off today than you were four years ago?
That gets back to the 84% number.
People, people, the Republic, people should know.
Smart people are on top of this.
You're seeing a pivot already into the campaign.
Raheem, we need to get you to the UK.
We need to keep you there for the French election.
I want as many people as possible to go to National Pulse.
Behind your paywall is amazing stuff.
This side of the paywall is pretty good too.
It's one of my first stops every morning.
Where do folks go to sign up?
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Rahim, thank you so much.
I know you got other big interviews you're going to.
So thank you so much.
Appreciate it, sir.
Go to the National Pulse.
Let's get Rahim to Europe.
Not keep him there, but let's get him to cover these elections.
Ben Harnwell, Amber Rose.
They don't believe the propaganda anymore.
They do their own research.
It's such a powerful piece.
They do their own research.
People do their own research.
Your thoughts of her beatdown of the, not just the mainstream media, but the ruling party in this country, in the world.
ben harnwell
Well, it's word perfect.
Her description about that people do their own research and they're not going to be brainwashed anymore is word perfect.
And, you know, you can pivot directly from that to exactly what's happened in the European Parliament over the last 48 hours.
Let me pick up one example, right?
On this show, we have been hitting for the last, what, 18 months, the farmers' protests.
The tractor protests, right, day after day at some points, but these things were growing and growing.
What is the net consequence of those protests across Europe?
The Green vote fell by 34%.
This is people waking up and thinking for themselves and realizing that they're not going to accept the official propaganda that comes at them from the mainstream media and making the jump, right?
Now, they haven't all jumped over to the Nationalists.
As I say before, a lot of them seem to have gone over to the European People's Party.
But it's a first step.
When they're in the European People's Party, they're going to realize it's totally performative
and it's not actually going to do anything for them.
But having made the jump, they're going to, I think, find themselves refined and come
unidentified
further on in our direction.
So you know, the Amber Rose thing, it's perfect.
steve bannon
It's the process.
It's the process here.
People start to wake up.
They start to do their own research.
They realize there's been propaganda.
They go from not voting for Democrats, not voting for Biden, staying home, to then, hey, maybe I'll listen to some of these Republicans.
Then all of a sudden, hey, Trump, MAGA, these guys are talking about what I believe because now I've done my own research.
Hang around, Ben.
You're going to be with me for the morning.
I want to bring in Sheriff Mack.
I think one of the most important guys in the country, the head of the Constitutional Sheriffs.
First off, Sheriff Mack, I thought all sheriffs were constitutional.
Are you telling me some are not?
And if that's the case, what is a constitutional sheriff?
unidentified
Well, most of them are constitutionally elected, but as far as adhering to the Constitution as part of their job as sheriff, Many of them are not, and that's what I've been trying to fight against ever since I started the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and we do our training all over the country, inviting sheriffs and public officials, county commissioners, county attorneys.
All of them need a dose of the Constitution and the performance of their job.
Let's take, for instance, Sheriff Grady Judge in Polk County, Florida.
Great sheriff, great man, great leadership skills, but he supports red flag laws.
All I would like to do is talk with Sheriff Judge and say, we can still be constitutional sheriffs and we can still be the great leaders that we are, just like he is.
I think he's a tremendous man, tremendous sheriff, but He has got to add a dose of Constitution to his persona as this great sheriff in America.
And so I would say Sheriff Ivey and Sheriff Lamb and Sheriff Judd and Sheriff Norris and Sheriff Skinner here in Phoenix area, all of these sheriffs have got to focus on who is violating the Constitution today and take action.
For instance, The January 6 arrests that happened nationwide, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people are being arrested and pulled out of a jurisdiction that requires extradition.
The Constitution requires one jurisdiction to another that you must go through the state to do an extradition.
The FBI did not do that one time, and no sheriff said anything about it.
We have to follow the Constitution.
The sheriffs now are in a position where they can stop these horrible federal and FBI attacks against President Trump.
And take a stand and stand in the way and interpose and stop the abuses that the federal agents in this country have been getting away with for decades.
And it's time to stand in the way and have stand-up sheriffs that will enforce the Constitution and make the other agencies in the federal government and sometimes the state governments as well toe the line and adhere to the Constitution and adhere to our oaths of office.
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So Sheriff Mack, and I want to get to your site because everybody's telling me, hey, who are the constitutional sheriffs?
Because you named some pretty good guys who people love who are not constitutional sheriffs, and you made your case.
Why?
But I got a question.
So in the worm, as you know, We break down, in the information war, MSNBC, CNN, the New York Times.
We spend a lot of time on The Guardian, because that's the most powerful progressive paper in the world, out of England.
And I would have to say, Sheriff Mack, of The Guardian's top five demons in this country, Donald Trump's obviously in a class by himself, but you make the top five.
They think you're a lawless anarchist that interprets the Constitution in your own way.
They would essentially say you're a militia group.
Your response to the Guardian, brother?
unidentified
They've got it all wrong and they've lied about me numerous times.
I would like them, for once, to tell the truth about me.
I'm not a racist.
My mom did not raise any of us to be racist.
I find racism and white supremacy completely abhorrent, completely antithetical to the American dream and the American way.
The Constitution does not allow for that.
I totally believe all men are created equal.
I love that tenet from the Declaration of Independence.
I love our Constitution.
I love peace.
And we are nonviolent.
Our organization has never advocated violence, yet they still say that we're a paramilitary organization.
That is a lie.
We are a peaceful and effective process for restoring Civil rights to America.
Whatever happened to the civil rights movement?
No one stands for civil rights.
We do.
And we absolutely.
Quote Martin Luther King in our presentation, we tell the story of Rosa Parks.
I want to ask every sheriff and peace officer, if you were called back to Montgomery, Alabama, December 1st, 1955, would you have arrested Rosa Parks?
I hope every sheriff and cop in this country would say, absolutely not.
I would not do that.
Well, then why are you doing it today to Christians and to parents who want to be involved in their school boards?
Why do you do it to the Amish farmers who won't pasteurize their milk?
Why are we going after innocent people?
Why are we going after gun owners who are law-abiding citizens, but yet we still try to make them criminals?
Let's put the Constitution first.
We swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, and I believe that every sheriff in this country should be investigating, one, election fraud, and also the crimes committed by the FBI and other federal agents, the IRS and others, and investigate these crimes, and also the illegal arrests being conducted by Other law enforcement agencies and AGs who are obviously using their positions to go after innocent people.
steve bannon
So, continuing on with the critics, I would say, hey, look, that's fine, but your job is to enforce the law as the sheriffs and the peace officers.
You have local DAs, you have U.S.
attorneys, you have Merrick Garland and Lisa Monica in that crowd.
That's really their responsibility, and you guys are just supposed to lock up the hooligans.
Your response, sir?
unidentified
Well, I sued the federal government back in the 90s and won a case at the U.S.
Supreme Court on this very issue.
The federal government cannot tell your sheriff what to do.
I won on that issue against the Clinton administration.
I actually sued the Clintons and lived to tell about it.
But the point is this, the sheriff is another check and balance.
The states are a check and balance on the overreach of the federal government.
We sued on the overreach of the federal government.
And every sheriff has taken an oath to protect his people from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Are we really protecting our people from corruption and corrupt government?
And it's my job to enforce the law?
Well, what is the supreme law of the land?
I ask my friends from the liberal leftist rags that are lying about me.
The supreme law of the land is the Constitution and every sheriff should stand and let everyone know in his county and in this country.
We will enforce and defend the Constitution just like we promised to do when we took our jobs.
And that is not a threat to anyone.
Why would that be a threat?
Why would somebody complain about that?
Because they are intentionally trying to destroy our Constitution.
And the sheriffs of this country have an obligation to stand against that and do just the opposite, restore the Constitution as the supreme law land and put it in its proper place as the rule of law.
steve bannon
I'd like to hold you for a few minutes on the other side.
We have about a 90-second break, but before we go to that break, where the Guardian and people really lose it is when you just said election fraud.
They are absolutely concerned about you stepping in and making sure we have free, fair elections with only certifiable chain of custody, American citizens voting.
How high a priority for the Constitutional Sheriffs is looking at making sure we don't have election fraud in November this year, sir?
unidentified
That's in the top two of our entire programs.
Everything that we're trying to do.
You don't have a country if you don't have secure and safe, fair and honest elections.
And yes, there are mountains of evidence of election fraud.
And they have lied and used that as a talking point, along with the White House saying there's no election fraud.
Well, if there's none, then what does it matter if we investigate it and look at it and try to guarantee that there is not?
But they get all squampus and out of control if we ever say anything about making sure there's some safeguards put into place so that we can make sure that the elections are fair and honest.
steve bannon
Sheriff Mac, just hang on.
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