June 1, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is what you're fighting for. | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. | ||
| It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room, Battleground. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's Friday, 31 May, in the year of our Lord 2024. | ||
| Thank you for sticking with us and hanging out with us. | ||
| For the second hour of the late afternoon, early evening edition of War Room. | ||
| Today we're going to focus on the early years of the Third World War, something we've been focused on for the last couple of years, with the help of Karen Sigman and of course Frank Gaffney and the team over the Committee on the Present Danger of China. | ||
| I'm going to go to Rome. | ||
| Ben Harnwell is going to join us. | ||
| Still a very big controversy about the use of offensive weapons, offensive American military missiles, made missiles, maybe even with technicians in Ukraine to fire into Russia. | ||
| Also, Captain James Fennell and Dr. Bradley Thayer join us on a really, quite frankly, a magnificent piece in The Washington Times that laid out the reality check on the war that's coming over Taiwan. | ||
| We're going to get to all that in the middle of all this. | ||
| We're going to have a couple of three elections. | ||
| We're going to have a in eight days time a European Parliamentary election that will set the course in Brussels. | ||
| We're going to have the UK is going to have a general election on July 4th. | ||
| And then the United States obviously on 5 November. | ||
| We're going to have election course Modi and in India's have an election. | ||
| They're going to have results of here shortly. | ||
| So in the middle of this war, I want to go to Michael Leahy, the head of the Irish Freedom Party, who's running for a seat in the European parliamentary election. | ||
| Before we had the technical problem this morning, Michael, you were saying the Irish have patience, they're slow to get angry, they're slow to take action, but you think you've hit the trip wire. | ||
| Just explain that to me. | ||
| Is mass migration, what has happened different now? | ||
| than over the last decade that have the Irish now awakening from their sleep about what's happening to the sovereignty of their nation? | ||
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I think there's a number of things, Stephen, but certainly mass migration does appear to be the trigger. | |
| I think if you go to any small, even rural Irish towns now in Ireland, you will struggle, at times you will struggle to find a white face. | ||
| You will see people coming from various different countries. | ||
| You will see a lot of old buildings being occupied by often military age men who are being brought into the country unvetted with no security clearance of any kind. | ||
| It seems to be it's a pattern of migration that makes no sense whatsoever. | ||
| It is very obvious. | ||
| It is very in your face. | ||
| The government have been questioned about it for the last two to three years and are obfuscating continually. | ||
| And the people are suddenly waking up to the fact that their culture, their country is being very dramatically changed. | ||
| And in many ways, not for the best. | ||
| Immigration can be, of course, be a positive thing when people come in and bring the skills, the necessary skills that may be needed in the country. | ||
| But the situation in Ireland is that we're exporting large numbers of our people, as we always have done. | ||
| And frequently, they find it quite difficult when they want to come back. | ||
| And we don't make it easy for them to come back. | ||
| But the government, for some reason, and one of the reasons this really makes no sense, they are facilitating deportation of very, very large numbers of people from radically different cultures, very often North African, Middle Eastern cultures, a very substantial number of Islam immigrants are coming into the country and are being settled in the country and are being given priority by the government. | ||
| And this is costing a huge amount of money. | ||
| But apart from that, it's putting our services under pressure. | ||
| It is very difficult for Irish people to get medical assessments now, to get dental appointments, schools are being overcrowded. | ||
| And it has all happened really in the space of the past five to 10 years, but accelerated dramatically since the outbreak of the European war, the Ukrainian war, Ireland undertook to take people in without limit. | ||
| We have taken more people in as a result of Ukraine, more than any other country in Europe, with the exception of Poland and Polish people. | ||
| People who have landed in Poland, many of them end up in Ireland. | ||
| And many of these people who came to Ukraine have never been to Ukraine in their lives, but we don't have a proper vetting procedure. | ||
| We don't have any control over our borders. | ||
| This only makes sense in terms of a government and a European system which wishes to replace the individual culture of the nation states, and which essentially wishes to destroy the concept of a national state with its own identifiable culture. | ||
| And people in Ireland have always been very proud of their culture. | ||
| They've also always been very welcoming of outsiders, and that's a very good characteristic. | ||
| But the extent of the numbers now in Ireland are such that people are becoming hugely alarmed at what's happening. | ||
| And very many of the people who come into the country simply don't want to integrate, and they have a deep disrespect for Western culture and for Western values. | ||
| The numbers that are coming in make it impossible to embark on a problem of integration. | ||
| None of this makes any sense at any level, other than a deliberate effort to destroy and destabilize the country. | ||
| And it appears to me now that Irish people are getting absolutely fed up with this. | ||
| There is a seething anger out there. | ||
| As I mentioned to you earlier, We had referenda recently, some two months ago, where the government got a huge surprise. | ||
| It was expecting the past year's referendum, which were about redefining what a woman was, redefining what the family meant. | ||
| And they got a hugely, an overwhelmingly negative vote. | ||
| They're deeply taken aback by that. | ||
| I suspect in these European elections, they're going to get a very similar result. | ||
| And I think the mainstream parties may be in very, very serious trouble. | ||
| The European elections, they're an opportunity for people to give a protest vote, because European parliamentarians They have limited powers. | ||
| The European Parliament is one of the only parliaments in the world where the parliamentarians can't actually propose legislation. | ||
| Quite an extraordinary system. | ||
| The European Union claims to be for democratic values, but its parliament is fairly toothless. | ||
| Now, the parliament can cause difficulties to the European Commission, which is the body which is not elected, which holds the great bulk of the power, but the parliament can cause difficulties for it and can cause obstructions to it. | ||
| And that's what I'm hoping to do by being elected to the European Parliament, is to give a voice to Iran, to ally with many other European Eurosceptic parties. | ||
| And I think it's important to point out that there will be a sea change in Europe this time. | ||
| This is happening not just Ireland, this is happening throughout Europe. | ||
| The Eurosceptic parties, you see them in France, you see them in Germany, alternative for Deutschland. | ||
| They see them in Italy and in Spain, and of course in Eastern Europe. | ||
| The countries of Eastern Europe have never been very happy with the European Union because they see it as replicating the Soviet Union, which it does in many ways. | ||
| Of course, they have a very recent memory of that, and they're becoming very restive. | ||
| On top of that, Steve, we also have what I would see as the debasement of the European currency. | ||
| When that happens, you tend to have a situation where governments seem to print money and throw money at any problem. | ||
| And the sums of money that are being thrown at organisations to facilitate immigration into this country is absolutely eye-watering. | ||
| We can't get hospitals or schools built. | ||
| There's nobody whatsoever building accommodation centres for migrants. | ||
| And this really is maddening people. | ||
| And I've seen a change even over... I've been canvassing now for some six months, looking for votes, and I see a dramatic change in the temperament of the people over the last six to eight weeks. | ||
| I think it really is quite angry. | ||
| So watch this space is all I can see. | ||
| I think our patients, as I said to you, the Irishman can be a very patient person, but the time comes when he kicks the chair from under you and he pins you against the wall. | ||
| And then you're looking at a very different, a very different type of person. | ||
| And I have a feeling that's what's going to happen Curtis. | ||
| Mike, I want to have you back on and talk about Irish nationalism because, you know, I'm from Irish descent and I was raised on this great, fierce motive force of Irish nationalism that actually fought and was able to, from the British Empire, get the freedom of the Irish Republic. | ||
| But I'll have you back on then. | ||
| I want to spend more time on it because we're dealing with the Third World War. | ||
| The question, you talk about military-age men. | ||
| Right now, Zelensky can't raise, he needs 500,000 combat troops of the age 25, 27, thereabouts, because the average age of an individual fighting in the trenches against the Russians is 42 years old. | ||
| Ireland is supposedly, you said, after Poland, the second biggest area where people went. | ||
| Are there a lot of fighting age males of Ukrainian descent in Ireland? | ||
| Are any of them answering the call to return to their home country to fight for Ukraine? | ||
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There are, and there are not. | |
| There are a lot of military-age men. | ||
| You see, people come into Ireland that claim to be from Ukraine, and we really don't know where they're from. | ||
| They end up here without documentation, and they claim that they flee without the documentation. | ||
| You can believe that if you want. | ||
| But when you go to any Irish airport or any Irish city or any Irish international protection regime centre, you can recognise a military person when you see one. | ||
| It's not just that they're military-age. | ||
| They seem to have a military bearing. | ||
| And I think you can recognise that. | ||
| You're a former military man yourself, Steve. | ||
| You can recognise a fellow soldier when you see him. | ||
| For instance, when he's air-cut and he stands in the jib of the military in a certain way. | ||
| And you can recognise them. | ||
| And there are a number of military-type people in Ireland. | ||
| Now, one of the suggestions that I have heard before, and the same thing is happening in the UK, is that the British Army is going to be sent out to Ukraine, to the meat grinder, and that these people are going to be recruited and given uniforms and told to keep the native population down. | ||
| I have no idea whether that's the case. | ||
| This is one of the types of rumours that is now swirling around in countries like the United Kingdom and Ireland. | ||
| People are getting very anxious. | ||
| They really are. | ||
| Our governments are hiding something from us. | ||
| Is it a currency collapse? | ||
| Are they aware that this war is going to be escalated and not telling us about it? | ||
| The number of young men who are in this country who can be recruited into the police or the army seems to be, a lot of them do seem to be that type who have a military training. | ||
| And that is beginning to worry people very greatly. | ||
| I can't say for certain that is the case. | ||
| Obviously this would be hidden. | ||
| It's certainly a worry to a large number of people. | ||
| Michael Leahy, where do people go to follow you on social media and for the Irish Freedom Party, Ireland's Freedom Party, where do they go? | ||
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They can follow me at leahyeuelection2024.com, my Twitter handle, and I've done some very interesting videos recently, Steve. | |
| I was on the lakes of Killarney welcoming Tedros not welcoming, but telling Tedros Ghebreyesus that he wasn't welcome in Ireland. | ||
| And I was also seeing a Frank Sinatra song. | ||
| So that might give a bit of entertainment value to it. | ||
| Anyway, my Twitter is at Leehy, L-E-E-H-Y with a capital L, M-A-L-E-H-Y, M-L. | ||
| So that's my Twitter. | ||
| And if you Google EU election 2024, you'll see some very interesting and sometimes entertaining stuff. | ||
| We try to have a sense of humor about this, even though these are dark times. | ||
| There are times when you also need to keep a sense of perspective and a sense of humor. | ||
| So watch my Frank Sinatra video. | ||
| You'll really enjoy it. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Look forward to having you back. | ||
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We'll talk again. | |
| Thanks very much. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Captain Finnell, I've got you and Thayer on here about this magnificent piece you wrote about Taiwan, but I've got to ask you because you No. | ||
| Europe, as well as anybody. | ||
| This is the way that rumors get started. | ||
| This is the way that people start to fear. | ||
| There's something, and I talk to a lot of people in Europe in doing this show. | ||
| We have a lot of sources. | ||
| And there's an unease in Europe leading up to this European parliamentary election. | ||
| Not just the rise of the right and the sovereignty parties, but you just heard from Leahy. | ||
| They don't understand why There's so many Ukrainian, it looks like fighting age men are in these other countries and not going home. | ||
| And then you start to hear the rumors. | ||
| Well, hey, maybe, you know, because Rishi Sunak saying that I want to install a draft. | ||
| Maybe the British army is going forward. | ||
| Or you hear Tony Blinken talking about using American missiles to fire into Russia. | ||
| This is the way that these governments are so opaque and lie so much about what's actually going on in Ukraine. | ||
| Your thoughts on this? | ||
| Yeah, Steve, those rumors abound here in Europe. | ||
| There's a great concern that, you know, from the governments in Europe that Putin wants to invade all of Europe. | ||
| And so, you know, they're talking about this as something to drive conscription, as you said, in the UK. | ||
| There's concern about, you know, we saw in the New York Times, I think a week and a half ago, talk of This administration, U.S. | ||
| administration's planning to put American soldiers into Ukraine even. | ||
| And so there is concern about that we're going to slow walk ourselves into a war into Europe. | ||
| I was in Warsaw last month and I was taking a cab to the airport and I talked to the cabbie who was Polish. | ||
| And I asked him about, you know, hey, how does it feel to be on the, you know, up along the front lines there with Belarus and Russia? | ||
| And then he mentioned that, well, you know, there's all these fighting age Ukrainian men that are in Poland. | ||
| And I said, well, I thought there were mostly women and children. | ||
| He said, yeah, there's probably two or three million women and children, but there's a million or more fighting age men from Ukraine that are in Poland, and they all escape by paying their way to get out of the Ukraine. | ||
| So there's some concern here. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, I know you look at Ireland and the UK. | ||
| You've had big concerns about this. | ||
| Your thoughts? | ||
| Well, I think that's absolutely what Jim said in terms of, and what you said, Steve, in terms of the growing concern over it. | ||
| I would add that that's happening here in the United States, too, with so many tens of thousands of military-age Chinese men Uh, who are coming in, some of whom certainly are MSS agents or PLA, People's Liberation Army. | ||
| They're here to do us harm and to serve as muscle for Xi Jinping in the lead up to conflict or in the case of actual conflict. | ||
| They're here able to conduct covert action. | ||
| So it's a problem not only for Europe, it's a problem right here with open borders, open northern and southern borders and folks flying in, coming into the United States completely unvetted. | ||
| It's a terrorist threat, but it's also used as a weapon by the People's Republic of China. And we have to worry | ||
| about that as things heat up considerably over Taiwan, that these agents may come into | ||
| play immediately to conduct attacks, assassinations, voter fraud. | ||
| And let me and we're gonna have Yeah, we're going to have been on here in a minute about the situation, the Blinken and the missiles. | ||
| But I want to go back to your piece then right now. | ||
| Let's start with Captain Finnell. | ||
| This piece, I think, shocked a lot of people because you went through it so methodically. | ||
| So talk to us about the coming war over Taiwan, because it's it's it's and I think the worm does the best job for the Trump base and for the for the right. | ||
| And on Ukraine, we have people fully awake on this and fully understanding what's going on. | ||
| Taiwan's a different situation. | ||
| Although we have a vast international audience of Lao-Beijing, there's something because the mainstream media refuses to spend any real time on actually reporting what's going on between this, how focused the CCP is on taking this back. | ||
| So, Captain Fennell, why don't you start at the top, walk us through the article, and then I'll get to make sure Dr. Thayer gets in here. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, thanks for having us on, Steve. | ||
| This is obviously something that's been the focus of my life for the last 15 years, every day, watching this. | ||
| 10 years retired, I guess 20, 25 years now. | ||
| I forgot, I've been retired almost 10 years. | ||
| So the point is, What we're seeing and what we saw play out this last week with this last Thursday and Friday with exercise joint sword 2024 alpha is really something important and that's why we methodically went through and basically laid out 10 points of why this is important and | ||
| Obviously, the first one is that it's a rehearsal for war that the PARC, Xi Jinping, and the Communist Party implemented and executed now twice. | ||
| They did the joint sword last year in 2023, and actually in August of 2022, they did a similar large-scale exercise against Taiwan. | ||
| They didn't call it joint sword, but so this is really the third iteration. | ||
| And we lay out in detail the elements of it. | ||
| But principally, the number one is it's a rehearsal for war for the PRC to take Taiwan. | ||
| So I think that's the most important thing for people to understand is that China is preparing themselves to take war. | ||
| And if you don't believe, you know, if you say, well, you're hyping the threat. | ||
| Well, yesterday, the Indo-Pekong commander, the new commander, Admiral Paprow, Speaking with Asia Nikkei, and he said this was a rehearsal for war for the PRC, and he said he's very concerned because the PRC, it's how they assess, it's how Xi and the Communist Party assess what's going on with America and our defenses, what's going on in Taiwan, and the PRC and the PLA's military capabilities. | ||
| And Papro said, you know, the PRC is building their military capability at an alarming rate. | ||
| So this is of great concern that they're doing this. | ||
| A couple other things that are important is this exercise was just two days. | ||
| In 2022 it was four days. | ||
| Some people say in 2023 it was three days. | ||
| I believe it was four. | ||
| So this was only two days this time, which for me was an indicator that they were trying to compress their command and control by doing this As I mentioned before, there's three elements to the PRC's invasion strategy. | ||
| The Joint Fire Strike Campaign, which is where they launch ballistic missiles at Taiwan. | ||
| Then there's the Joint Anti-Air Raid Campaign, which establishes air supremacy over Taiwan and the waters east of Taiwan and that whole first and second island chain. | ||
| And then the third part is the Joint Island Landing Campaign. | ||
| So three campaigns to execute a Taiwan invasion. | ||
| And what we saw in these other exercises, and in this one, was a simulation this time, not actual missile firings, but the simulation of that with the Strategic Rocket Force, and combined with the PLA Navy, the PLA Air Force, and the PLA Army, all contributing fires against critical targets in Taiwan. | ||
| They talked a lot about their target list for the first time. | ||
| They said, we're going to go after political targets in the north, in Taipei. | ||
| We're going to go after military targets in the north and in the south and in the east. | ||
| And we're going to attack from around all aspects of Taiwan. | ||
| We're going to attack from the mainland. | ||
| We're going to attack from the north. | ||
| We're going to attack from the south, presumably from these three major bases that they have in the Spratlys. | ||
| And then they'll also plan to attack from the east, from aircraft carriers and other vessels that'll be operating east of Taiwan. | ||
| So this whole idea of their target list being discussed, very important and one of the things that we need to consider. | ||
| And this compression of just into two days gets back to a speech I gave In San Diego at the U.S. | ||
| Naval Institute press conference, I talked about a short, sharp war. | ||
| We had gleaned this from Chinese writings, that they want to have a short, sharp war. | ||
| And now, here we are a decade later, and we see them kind of focusing in on that, because now they even know more so than they did 10 years ago, by watching what's happening in the Ukraine, that they do not want to be involved in a long, drawn-out war. | ||
| So they want to use shock and awe, and have a short, sharp war, to be able to decapitate the leadership of Taiwan and the military, and isolate them, and then be able to get boots on the ground, and to be able to physically take over the country. | ||
| A couple other points that we talk about is the closure areas that were used this time that were announced by the Chinese with no notice. | ||
| They announced closure areas and the exercise went off. | ||
| In 22, they gave a 24-hour, 48-hour advance notice. | ||
| This time, they did not. | ||
| And those closure areas that were announced were closer to China or Taiwan than they were in previous exercises, which is to say the Chinese are getting closer and closer and closer, and they're testing. | ||
| And they were seeing the response from Taiwan. | ||
| What will happen if we get this close? | ||
| What will they do? | ||
| How will they respond? | ||
| What's their indications and warning? | ||
| What's their intelligence and surveillance capabilities against our probes? | ||
| And then they also, during the exercise, while they didn't fire missiles, there were dozens of aircraft, dozens of ships that were surrounding Taiwan in real time and crossing the center line of the Taiwan Strait, probing and testing Taiwan's defenses and actually looking at our defenses from our forces that are in the Far East. | ||
| It's a joint operation, as I mentioned, and in the articles that the Chinese talk about, they talk about mock fire strike. | ||
| So for the first time that I've seen in a long time, they're actually mentioning fire strike, which is part of their doctrine of this first campaign, joint fire strike, which is to rain down thousands of missiles on key political and military targets … in Taiwan to isolate military capability and isolate leadership or decapitate leadership through physical kinetic attack. | ||
| Obviously, this exercise is a signal to the new leader of Taiwan, President Lai. | ||
| He was inaugurated on the 20th of May. | ||
| This exercise went on the 26th and the 27th. | ||
| And it's a signal to lie to the new president of Taiwan that guess what? | ||
| Every minute of your time in office, you are going to be under the threat of an invasion. | ||
| Every minute, you will get no relief from us. | ||
| And that's what's happening even today. | ||
| Chinese warships and aircraft are surrounding Taiwan. | ||
| And so if you're that leader, that's a lot of pressure. | ||
| And China's applying that to them. | ||
| It's also a signal to Admiral Paprow, the new commander of Indo-Pacific Command in Hawaii. | ||
| He's a strong advocate for defending Taiwan. | ||
| He came up from Pacific Fleet down at Makalapa, went up the hill. | ||
| And this is a message to him that, hey, guess what? | ||
| You may talk about America's integrated defense and distributed maritime operations and There's a new article today in Defense News about Assistant Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks and her new Strategic Integration Group, Taiwan, SIG-T, and that it's going to bring together the whole of government to focus on Taiwan, defending Taiwan. | ||
| But the reality is, it's not going to be driven just from an Assistant Secretary of Defense. | ||
| If it's not coming from the top and coming from the White House, And I think we'll talk about this later with Brad. | ||
| This is the real issues. | ||
| We need top down leadership from a strong leader. | ||
| That's going to send the right signal. | ||
| A couple of other things we talked about the other targeting list and the intention to. | ||
| Spread fear. | ||
| Again, China would like to do all this without never having to fire a shot. | ||
| Maybe they think that if they can do enough of these exercises, at some point, maybe the DPP and the Taiwan people will cave. | ||
| I don't think they will, but I think they may be trying to play for that. | ||
| And that's why they're talking about some of this as well. | ||
| And then the last piece, weather and timing. | ||
| A lot of people in the community that watch this, they like to talk about, well, there's only these really two windows of invasion. | ||
| It's in April and it's in October. | ||
| It's just windows are when the sea stage are the calmest and the weather patterns are the least impacted by the typhoons and whatnot. | ||
| I think this exercise that was happening in late May. | ||
| We had the others last year. | ||
| It happened in April. | ||
| One's happened in August. | ||
| We see carrier operations in November and December. | ||
| I want to just make sure that we warn people. | ||
| A strike could come at any time, and we should not be thinking it's only going to come in certain windows. | ||
| And I'm convinced that the military folks in Hawaii and our military understand that. | ||
| But a lot of the pundits talk about, well, we only have to worry about two windows, and that's not right. | ||
| And the last piece is, there were some small islands that were involved in this exercise that are off the coast of China. | ||
| Kinmen, Matsu, Wuchi, and Dongyin. | ||
| China sent Coast Guard vessels around Wuchi and Dongyin and got within two to three nautical miles of these islands. | ||
| So Coast Guard vessels being used was a new element to this exercise. | ||
| I don't like to overplay it. | ||
| It's Coast Guard. | ||
| It's called gray zone. | ||
| But let's not miss the main point. | ||
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| Xi and the Communist Party and the Central Military Commission decide to go. | ||
| They are going to go all in for the main island. | ||
| And when they use military force, they're going to take out and decapitate Taiwan leadership, | ||
| Taiwan military, and they're going to attack American forces in the region. | ||
| And don't forget, the guy running the PLA's street defense has been focused on this for | ||
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| We just had Memorial Day and I had Steve Stern always helps us on Memorial Day with the flagship company that Not Veterans Day, but Memorial Day, where we commemorate our honored dead. | ||
| Captain Fennell, talking about honored dead, what you just laid out with Fire Strike and with this, you know, the scale of it seems like it's orders of magnitude even bigger. | ||
| The concept's the same, but even bigger than you had worked on, you know, 10, 15, 20 years ago. | ||
| Can the 7th Fleet, can the Pacific Fleet stop this? | ||
| Defend Taiwan, keep it free, and at what cost, sir? | ||
| Are we going to have a carrier battle group with 10,000 American sailors at the bottom of the Straits of Taiwan? | ||
| Well, Steve, with all due respect to Admiral Paprow, who said yesterday that he, if this were to occur, that the U.S. | ||
| would prevail, I have great concern about that. | ||
| The numbers, just the sheer numbers of ballistic missiles, anti-ship cruise missiles, ships, aircraft, submarines, It overwhelms us right now in the Western Pacific, and for us to get there from the West Coast would take us three to four weeks, two or three weeks at the best. | ||
| And our ships, especially our carriers, are in range of these specifically created anti-ship carrier missiles. | ||
| And so it's very likely that if we are operating within the first and second island chain, from basically Guam towards the mainland of China, through the Ryukyu island chain, That we would be at great risk and there's a great increased potential for one of our carriers to be sunk. | ||
| And then we just had a study put out or a great assessment put out by Dr. Jerry Hendricks last week about the state of our submarine force, which is kind of our ace in the hole. | ||
| We thought that we would have the superiority of our nuclear submarine force that would be able to launch Uh, you know, land attack missiles against Chinese ships, against the Chinese mainland, and that would swing the tide and help defeat the invasion. | ||
| And now we're finding out that maybe up to a third of our submarines are laying aside, waiting to get into dry docks that don't exist. | ||
| So we're in, we're in rough waters. | ||
| We're in rocky shoals, as they say. | ||
| We don't have the size of the Navy that we need. | ||
| We don't have the size of the Air Force that we need. | ||
| We don't have the capability to recover from combat inflicted losses, repairs to ships, repairs to people, things of that nature. | ||
| And so this is not something that we should take lightly. | ||
| And again, I want to foot stomp. | ||
| If China does this, and they do launch an invasion, They're going to bet the farm on it. | ||
| This is a regime survival level stuff. | ||
| And they will take out and attack Americans that are involved or in any way in the region. | ||
| And we have 100,000 people in the Western Pacific, whether on Korea and Japan or sailing around. | ||
| And it's very, very dangerous. | ||
| And we should not take this lightly, which is why in our piece, we call for the president | ||
| to be calling for a national mobilization of our military industrial base to focus on the Pacific. | ||
| We spent the last 40 years fighting in the desert in CENTCOM, and it's like China wants to keep us | ||
| fighting there with what's going on in the Middle East right now, and Israel and Gaza, and with Iran, | ||
| this war in Ukraine. | ||
| And we have not retooled our Department of Defense for 35 years to do what we did in the Cold War, | ||
| have not retooled our Department of Defense for 35 years to do what we did in the | ||
| Cold War, which is to be able to deter an adversary with a strong Navy, and we | ||
| which is to be able to deter an adversary with a strong Navy, and we don't have that today. | ||
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| Dr. Thayer, this is almost like the 1930s Israel and Gaza and with Iran, this war in Ukraine, and we | ||
| Dr. Thayer, this is almost like the 1930s in the run-up to World War II. | ||
| All the focus, you go back and look at the newspapers, all the focus was on the war | ||
| in Europe, virtually nobody paying attention to what the Asian co-prosperity sphere, or | ||
| what was happening in Manchuria, what was happening in mainland. | ||
| I mean, you got some press, right, particularly when I think Nanking fell, but overall, it | ||
| was a second or third tier. | ||
| Is the same thing happened here? | ||
| Why you guys call for a national mobilization? | ||
| But more importantly, I might have Hardwell on who covers this every day. | ||
| I mean, Blinken is at the foreign ministers meeting in Europe right now, and all they're talking about is America. | ||
| France and UK having offensive missiles and tech crews launching missiles into Russian territory with virtually the whole Taiwan thing is on the second page. | ||
| That's why your article in the Washington Times so shocking. | ||
| When you go through the details and you and Captain Thayer talk about the details of how the CCP has thought this through and have built to scale To be able to overwhelm us immediately, and a blow that psychologically the American people, it's one thing to not prevail militarily in Afghanistan, another thing not to prepare militarily in Vietnam. | ||
| You think the politicians stab you in the back. | ||
| This is psychologically, you could have the second Coral Sea. | ||
| I mean, you could have a couple of carrier battle groups on the bottom and the American people are not prepared to deal with that. | ||
| Why is the White House, why is the media, why is even the defense industry, why are they not more focused Steve, that's a great question. | ||
| The Biden administration is focused on Russia's invasion of Ukraine and that conflict. | ||
| They're loathe to do what's necessary in Taiwan. | ||
| And this is everything. | ||
| Now is the time to act for deterrence. | ||
| We want this war to be deterred. | ||
| We don't want to fight a war. | ||
| We want to ensure that Beijing knows, Xi Jinping knows in his mind what he's thinking, that he can't win a conventional conflict and he can't win a nuclear conflict over Taiwan. | ||
| And we're not sending those messages of deterrence. | ||
| Instead, everything is flowing Like an obsession and he did fix into the Ukraine war. | ||
| And so when he was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Omar Bradley said, the war in Korea was the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place with the wrong adversary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's the way we should think of Ukraine, right? | ||
| Ukraine is not the center of gravity. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party and Xi Jinping is the center of evil in the modern world. | ||
| It's their support for Russia, which is continuing that conflict, which is allowing Russia to continue it. | ||
| It's their support in the Middle East. | ||
| And they want us to have a multiple front war, right? | ||
| They want the United States to be focused on anything but the Indo-Pacific and anything but Taiwan. | ||
| And thus far, they've largely accomplished that goal, which is what Jim and I are trying to do is to say, hey, we're moving to conflict here. | ||
| This is happening right here and right now. | ||
| And we have a chance to deter it, which is everything, but it's quite likely if we don't take the measures that Jim identified, We're going to be in a hot war, which is going to escalate horizontally and vertically. | ||
| Vertically in terms of the intensity of the conflict, to a nuclear level, and horizontally into other theaters, and that is in Guam, the homeland of the United States, as well as sucking in the Japanese, Australians, and others. | ||
| We have the problem in the Pacific island chains now. | ||
| Back to something Captain Thayer said. | ||
| Is the very scale of this and now showing that they're prepared to execute on it, is that fear enough to have the Taiwanese say, you know what? | ||
| Because right now it's 40% of the country. | ||
| Is this set up to have the Taiwanese say, you know what? | ||
| We got to talk to the Americans. | ||
| We got to cut a deal. | ||
| We have to cut a deal with the Chinese, with the CCP. | ||
| As much as we want our freedom, we're just not confident That the Americans are A, focused, or B, even if they are focused, have the materiel and the men and the will, the political will, to actually do this. | ||
| This takes getting the public, and the public's quite savvy about Asia and about how important we're a Pacific country. | ||
| This is a Pacific century. | ||
| We have to be engaged on an America first basis. | ||
| But it's not been drilled home to them that, hey, Taiwan falls. | ||
| The economy in this country will drop 25%. | ||
| The advanced chip design in those factories is not going to be moved to Japan and Phoenix, Arizona overnight. | ||
| It's as much an art as it is a science. | ||
| It's going to take at least a decade and maybe more to actually get capacity over here. | ||
| And the Chinese Communist Party, Noah, do you think that one of the things they're doing is, this is a PSYOP, and not that they're not militarily ready to do it, but they want to strike fear in the leadership, particularly focused on a decapitation strike, and just have the Taiwanese, particularly the 40% of the people that are already quite comfortable being a province and not an independent nation, for another 20 or 30% say, hey, look, This thing, we're going to be the tip of it. | ||
| We're going to get crushed. | ||
| The Americans are eventually going to get beaten and retreat. | ||
| There will be no public support for American lives to defend chip plants in Taiwan. | ||
| Do you think the CCP is thinking about focusing, doing this without actually firing a shot? | ||
| I think, without question, they're focused on that. | ||
| They want a quick and decisive victory at the lowest cost possible. | ||
| And if they can win through political warfare, By having Taiwan run up the white flag ahead of time, and more importantly, having the Biden administration run up the white flag over Taiwan. | ||
| That's exactly what they want to achieve. | ||
| And that's why political mobilization is necessary. | ||
| Americans need to understand, Steve, yes, the chips are absolutely important. | ||
| If those chip factories are shut down, we're in a depression. | ||
| That is the West, the American economy is. | ||
| But Taiwan also matters, secondly, because of its geostrategic space, right? | ||
| It's, as Douglas MacArthur called it, an unsinkable aircraft carrier, right? | ||
| That's capable of offensive action against the People's Republic of China, as well as occupying a bottleneck in the first island chain. | ||
| And then lastly, thirdly, it matters because of political warfare. | ||
| Taiwan's existence every day shows what China could have been And might be if the CCP falls, if the Chinese Communist Party falls. | ||
| And so the existence of a democracy, vibrant economy, and vibrant democratic state in Taiwan shows the lie and the illegitimacy of the CCP. | ||
| So they want to kill it for that reason alone. | ||
| So these things are coming to a head. | ||
| It's happening right here, right now. | ||
| Hang on, let me bring in Ben Hornwell from Rome. | ||
| Ben, while this is going on, blinking, and this is where we are with the inaction over Taiwan. | ||
| In a sleep at the switch over Taiwan, we are all in on now going on offense inside Russia with missiles by American technicians and American material. | ||
| The missiles provided by us, the targeting done by us, it's an open secret. | ||
| UK, France, now the, and this is all blinking these guys are talking about. | ||
| At the Foreign Secretary's meeting. | ||
| We're going on offense on the Eurasian landmass in, you know, where the great battles of World War II were decided without American material, without American involvement. | ||
| And now we're sitting here and we're talking about going on offense against the Russian people, sir. | ||
| Yeah, well, this is part of what's going on. | ||
| And sadly, most of it's going on behind closed curtains. | ||
| It's absolutely true, as you say, that Antony Blinken is working behind the scenes to craft a change in US policy. | ||
| He's working with his point contacts in the EU because he wants us to look as if this is this changing policy to allow American weapons to be used to strike deep inside Russian territory. | ||
| He wants that to look as if America is responding to a European demand for that, and he's working behind the scenes to have that policy changed. | ||
| Something that has emerged, however, Steve, since we recorded the morning show earlier, and I mentioned how the splits, and now this will interest you, and I mentioned how the splits are now emerging in NATO as never before. | ||
| One country, so just to reel back, this meeting in Prague has been called really to sort out a new policy on giving permission to Ukraine to use various NATO member states' weapons in Russia. | ||
| What's emerged, and this is the first time that I've seen a change in policy, right, this is Antonio Tajani, who is Italy's Foreign Minister and, interestingly, an aspirant to be President of the European Commission if the numbers work out after the European elections. | ||
| He said Italy will never send any troops to Ukraine And any weapons it has supplied to Kiev shall not be used on Russian territory. | ||
| Now, the importance of this, Steve, as we've been drilling down for the last two years, is that up until now, Italy has been the number one Atlanticist country in NATO. | ||
| And this is a public slap in the face, really. | ||
| There's no other way to look at this. | ||
| This is a rebuke to the Biden administration. | ||
| And I can only speculate The reason behind this is what's going to happen in around eight days time, which is the European elections. | ||
| And countries now are paying attention like never before. | ||
| And you said this and your guest Michael Lee, he mentioned this earlier. | ||
| There is an anger that is taking place and it is taking the European elites by surprise. | ||
| And with eight days to go, they're starting to notice this. | ||
| And perhaps it's too little, too late. | ||
| But Italy has always been the number one European Union country opposed to active involvement in the Ukraine war. | ||
| And this, I think, is the first measure. | ||
| So whilst America is escalating, the Europeans, at least Italy, America's foremost ally up until now in NATO, in continental Europe, is now taking a step back. | ||
| And I think that's a pretty important development. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Ben, where do they go to get, we got a lot more to talk to you tomorrow about the run-up to the European Parliamentary election. | ||
| A lot of things, splits between AFD and, you know, all over Le Pen. | ||
| People coming together, people coming apart. | ||
| We're going to walk through it all. | ||
| Where do people get you in the interim? | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Get us on the social media platform of choice. | ||
| Simply tap in my surname at Carnwell and I've got some great posts at the top of my feed waiting for your perusal right now. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Thanks so much. | ||
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| And that's not, and that's just not Ben Carnwell talking smack. | ||
| He's got better engagement than anybody on social media. | ||
| Drives me nuts. | ||
| I'm jealous. | ||
| Although I do repost all of his material. | ||
| Drives me incredibly. | ||
| Saying, Ben, thank you so much, brother. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, everybody needs to read this piece. | ||
| It's very sobering. | ||
| Something big is happening and there's willful blindness right now among our leadership. | ||
| There's willful blindness among the business The pro-CCP business community, there's a wealth of blindness about the invasion that's happened in our own country with these military-age men. | ||
| And when this hits, it's gonna hit like no military, it's gonna make Pearl Harbor seem like a Sunday picnic. | ||
| So Dr. Thayer, where do they go to get all your writings, the book with you and Captain Fennell did, and these new articles you guys are putting up? | ||
| Well, thanks, Steve. | ||
| Of course, they can go to Getter or Truth at Bradley Thayer or Brad Thayer on X, and the book is available. | ||
| And Steve, you wrote the foreword to it. | ||
| We thank you very much for that. | ||
| At Amazon or anywhere else you buy books, you reference the 30s, right? | ||
| This is exactly like that time. | ||
| We're leading up to war, deterrence is everything. | ||
| And like the 30s, we're willfully blind, as you said, right? | ||
| And so that's simply inviting aggression. | ||
| Jack Kennedy had written a book where it really came on the consciousness why England slept. | ||
| It's why Americans sleeping. | ||
| This is so obvious what's happening. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, thank you. | ||
| Captain Finnell, I know you don't do social media. | ||
| I think we're going to try to eventually get you up there. | ||
| But is there any way people can contact you or how do they follow your writings? | ||
| Well, Brad and I write for American Greatness, usually do a weekly column, and then we've been doing these special coverages of these exercises with the Washington Times. | ||
| We appreciate their help. | ||
| And then you can probably find my email some way if you're really interested. | ||
| Somebody will help provide it. | ||
| I would just like to say one last thing about... Sure. | ||
| You know, a lot of people say, well, what do we care about what goes on in Taiwan? | ||
| What do we care if we take a 25% hit to our economy? | ||
| Got it. | ||
| But it's not confined to Taiwan. | ||
| Taiwan is not the final agenda item for the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party detests the United States of America, and they want to destroy us. | ||
| And once they have those bases and that stationary aircraft carrier that Brad mentioned, which is the island of Taiwan, they're going to use that to launch out their military to take over the rest of the Pacific. | ||
| Which they've already been working on, but their objective is to destroy the United States, and by being able to take Taiwan, they fracture our alliance structure in Asia, they put Japan at great risk, and they're coming after us. | ||
| So the reason you care is because you'd rather fight them over in Taiwan than fight them in Manhattan Beach or Redondo Beach. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Western Pacific. | ||
| Guys, thank you very much. | ||
| Brilliant article. | ||
| We'll push it out everywhere. | ||
| Thank you for joining us in War Room. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| It's all right there in front of you. | ||
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