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May 21, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 3626: Forever Trump; Motivation Of The Trump Base
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darren j beattie
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steve bannon
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maria salazar
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mike lindell
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rachel maddow
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Dan Patrick, Lieutenant Governor of Texas.
So why aren't you asking the question, when is Michael Cohen going to be indicted?
He stole $60,000.
Do your job.
That should be the headline.
Number two, Alvin Bragg should be indicted.
He brought someone as a witness in a case with someone he knew had committed a crime.
He should be indicted.
So, headline, please.
Where are you, Alvin Bragg?
Who's going to indict him?
Who's going to indict Michael Cohen?
Look, we are here to defend our Constitution, our freedoms, and we're here because we are friends of Donald Trump, the President of the United States.
And when a friend is trouble, friends have his back.
The way he has been treated, you would see in Russia, you would see in China, you would see in North Korea, you would see in every little tin pot dictatorship across the world.
And that's what we have here in New York, in America.
If they can go after the former president of the United States of America, who has the ability and the financial resources to fight back, what happens to the average American?
What happens to any of you?
If the courts in New York come after any of you because of something you said, because you said something the ruling class didn't like.
And that's what all these other countries are about.
They shut down the ruling class.
They want to be sure that anyone that speaks up against the ruling class Disappears.
They want Donald Trump to disappear.
They want to send him to jail.
They want to take him off the main stage.
Because they know here's their biggest danger to taking the ruling class down.
No!
You know what?
Donald Trump is not the ruling class.
Donald Trump is for every New Yorker.
He's for every Texan.
Every state.
Donald Trump has put his whole life on the line.
His whole life on the line for the American people.
When he came down that escalator, he probably had no idea that he was going to be called to be the man in the gap to stand up for Americans.
And he's standing up for you, even if you don't know it.
I don't know who's next.
Would a member of the ruling class be facing 730 years in prison?
What a pathetic question.
730 years in prison, and he's a member of the elite.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
That's pathetic.
unidentified
You're not a journalist.
So, I want to say, as a former Attorney General, it was my previous job, and now as U.S.
Senator Eric Schmidt from Missouri, I can tell you, these charges should have never been brought.
There's no crime.
The only crime that's been unveiled through this, you know, Soviet-style show trial is Michael Cohen, who stole money, admitted it on the stand.
This is the star witness.
This is the witness upon which this entire case stands.
And as a legal matter, this case is a total joke.
In a broader sense, you want to talk about threats to democracy?
That's what this is across the street.
The idea that the Democrats not only try to keep him off the ballot, Donald Trump, but now throw him in jail for the rest of his life because they know he's going to win in November.
And the only way they think they can get after it is this unprecedented lawfare.
We have never, ladies and gentlemen, we've never seen anything like this in this country.
So I know this can kind of be normalized as you've been covering it.
This is outrageous.
If this were happening in any country, any other country, our State Department, our State Department will be warning people not to go to that country because it's a banana republic.
And more broadly speaking, let me just say this, from a political perspective, from a political perspective, the American people see what's happening.
This has added jet fuel to his campaign.
You want to know why he's rising in the polls?
Because the American people understand the injustice that's happening, and they don't want to see their country turn into a banana republic.
I'm Ronny Jackson.
Ronny Jackson from Texas.
And I just want to say real quick, make no mistake about this.
We all know this.
These corrupt prosecutors and this corrupt judge are nothing more than puppets of the Biden administration and the Biden DOJ right now.
You know what?
It's a shame.
They will do anything.
They will lie.
They will cheat.
They will steal.
They will do anything to keep him from becoming president again.
They fear Donald Trump.
They fear Donald Trump.
And they fear what's going to happen if he becomes president again.
And I'll tell you they should fear, because he started draining the swamp, he's going to keep draining again, and all of these people are representative of the swamp.
The sad thing is today, Lady Justice in the city of New York no longer wears a blindfold.
She's wearing the Michael Cohen t-shirt with President Trump behind bars.
That's how disgusting this has got to be right now.
And it was mentioned before, this is not the kind of stuff that happens in the United States of America.
This is Soviet-era stuff right here.
Everybody out here, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on.
If you're Republican or you're Democrat, I don't care what your political leanings are.
You better look at what's happening right here in New York, and it better scare the hell out of you.
Because they'll come for you next.
That's right.
maria salazar ▲ ● ▼
Next up.
Hi.
I'm Representative Salazar.
Probably I'm the only member of this group that can speak in both languages, so I'm going to do that in Spanish when we finish.
And I have a few remarks that I think Are going to be very interesting to all of you.
I represent district number 27 in Florida, bastion of the ultimate melting pot in the United States.
And I just want to make very clear that I am here on of my own volition.
I am not on the list of the favorites.
I am not looking for a job and I paid for my own way to make sure.
And the only reason why I'm here is because thousands of my constituents back in Miami are terrified, terrified when the courts in this country are used as weapons to crush our political enemies.
Regardless of what you think of Donald Trump, regardless of what you think of him, regardless of what you feel about him, regardless whether you want to vote for him or not in November, Donald Trump is not the only one going through trial.
We all are.
And I'm not sure if you know that, but that's the truth.
Trump may be the one on the stand today, but the same forces that are manipulating the court system against him today will be after you tomorrow if we do not stop this political cycle circus that we are facing right now.
The empirical evidence is overwhelming.
And why do I say that?
How come a person is being charged and we do not know the charges that are against him are clearly defined?
That is all political.
That happens in Cuba and Venezuela, not in the United States.
How come the federal prosecutors six years ago decided not to touch this case, but somehow the state prosecutors in New York decided that it was the right timing?
Because it's all political.
Why?
There are no audio recordings.
Don't you guys want to hear what's happening?
How come there are no cameras in the courtroom?
Why is that?
Because it's all political.
You know what?
My parents are Cuban-Americans.
They are political refugees.
They came from Cuba 60 years ago.
And political trials happen in banana republics.
In banana republics, not in the United States of America.
Thousands and thousands of my constituents, and that is why I am here, not because I'm one of the favorites, but thousands of my constituents come from those countries, the Cuba, the Venezuela, the Nicaragua, very close to us, and they recognize and see very well when there is a political inquisition going on.
They have lived it, they have suffered it, and they escaped it, including my parents.
And yet now, we're watching this again, where?
In the United States of America.
There is something very wrong with this picture.
And we have lived it, and that's why I am here talking to you.
The United States, the courts, the laws, the judges, cannot be used as political weapons just to silence the other guy because you do not like him.
The ballot box is where you fight those political battles, not in a court of law.
And in the meantime, you!
I belong to you for 35 years.
You should be ashamed of how passively you're sitting passively by while the credibility of one of the most revered American institutions, the judicial system, is scrambling in front of your eyes.
Where is your profession?
Where is your impartiality?
Your biased coverage will cost us for many generations.
Unfortunately, my constituents know this movie does not end well.
But the problem is that millions...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
This movie does not end well as Congressman Salazar from Miami.
Darren Beattie, your thoughts?
The defense rested.
You have it put on full blast there.
And that was Lieutenant Governor Patrick of Texas, the great state of Texas, that channeled the war room.
Where's the indictment?
Not just on Michael Cohen.
We need an indictment now on Alvin Bragg.
Darren Beattie, your thoughts?
darren j beattie ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, well, the whole thing is interesting, and I'm not so sure there's much more to be said than the chorus of indignation that we just heard.
The trial itself, the whole basis of the trial is a joke.
It's an act of prosecutorial gymnastics, the likes of which we haven't seen before.
It's conducted by a clearly tendentious, incompetent, affirmative action Prosecutor in the form of brag on and the spectacle of how the trials played out is far worse than anyone could have ever imagined to the point that it almost makes one wonder.
Is Michael Cohen still, like, somehow surreptitiously pro-Trump?
Because in effect, he's done Trump a tremendous service by, you know, putting, you know, yet another nail in the coffin of this sham embarrassment of the nation's legal system that is this trial.
So I think Despite the fact that this trial represents a very dangerous trend in our politics, which is the addition of malicious lawfare as a substitute for the democratic process or as a subversion of it, I think in this particular instance, it actually has backfired profoundly for the Dems, which is very unfortunate for them because they were really
placing an inordinate amount of hope in these extracurricular legal attacks on Trump.
And they're going to find that, you know, in 2020, they had COVID, they had the mail-ins.
I actually think that 2020 was a high watermark for theft and for the types of shenanigans you
saw that were carried through on the basis of sort of the COVID pretext.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
OK, hang on. You say that, but I read, I go to this site called Revolver.
That I go to religiously every day to look for news and analysis.
And I got a thing called on Patcom coming after the, I think, Justice Department, the deep state, the administrative state coming after the Christians.
So I agree.
I think it's I think it may be the only reason this thing got beaten back on this law fair was this audience and patriots firing up those people at the microphone.
Remember, there was three weeks.
It was crickets.
OK, people started saying, hey, where in the hell is the backup here?
Where are we on turning this going on offense on this narrative and you've seen a shift You say it's a high watermark.
I want to believe that this audience wants to believe it But tell me about tell me was it Pat Conn?
What was the way that they're coming after the Christians?
darren j beattie ▲ ● ▼
Well, a couple things.
When I say the high watermark, I mean it in the specific sense that I think 2020 was a high watermark for the type of election theft you saw that was carried through it on the pretext of COVID.
I don't think they have another COVID-like thing that they can push.
The COVID for 2024 was supposed to be these coordinated lawfare efforts, which I think it's fair to say.
are really backfiring spectacularly.
So their new COVID has proven to be a major failure.
And I would also say 2020 was the high watermark for censorship.
Because now a lot of the censorship industry has been exposed, and Twitter, at the very least, is far less censorious than it was before.
So 2020 was actually the high-water mark for a number of extremely nefarious tactics that the left employed in order to basically conduct an unfair election.
Now they wanted to say, okay, we can't do another COVID, there's no Appetite for that, just like they couldn't do another Iraq war because there's no public appetite for boots on the ground in that way.
So they needed a different approach.
And the different approach really was this lawfare strategy.
And I think it's on a deeper sense, the fact that this type of lawfare is now I think, an entrenched feature of our politics is a very negative thing, but in
the more sort of narrow sense of how it impacts 2024, I think it's only a positive for Trump just because they
picked such spectacularly poor examples to go after.
I mean, this specific BRAC trial is such a scam that anyone with a remote bit of sort of objectivity looking at it can see, and they extrapolate from this to the wide sort of variety and panoply of legal cases, both criminal and civil, that the left is throwing at Trump in order to subvert the election.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, I feel better.
Tell me about this.
Walk me through this article.
We've got a couple of minutes remaining.
I'm always on the lookout for the best stuff on Revolver.
darren j beattie ▲ ● ▼
Indeed.
So, PetCon, what is this?
This is a program going back a long ways, and I think, again, this is sort of broad-based, bird's-eye context.
We see one of the major themes of the Trump era is the weaponization of the bureaucracies and the security state politically against Trump supporters.
This is nothing new.
In fact, you know, there's this program called COINTELPRO that a lot of the leftists like
to tout and saying that, oh, back in the Cold War, the government was going after the left.
And there is some truth to that.
But the emphasis on that, as opposed to the targeting of right-wing groups, of Christian
groups, of patriot groups, that story has not been evenly told.
And there's a specific program that I think is the kind of progenitor, the early phase of what we see now called PatCon.
And so we did a nice blog and profile on that.
There's a much longer documentary that people can watch that we link to.
But basically, PatCon was an example of the FBI setting up front militia groups, setting up false groups in an effort, a broad-based effort, to infiltrate and subvert the right wing in a variety of ways, including Christian groups, patriot groups, and so forth.
And the amazing thing about PatCon, other than the fact that you literally had the government setting up Militia groups and outlaw groups.
Kind of a similar kind of entrapment thing that we saw in the Whitmer case, but going much deeper is the fact that they set up this elaborate scheme and they weren't even able to prevent Oklahoma City, which was their stated objective to prevent this.
So it just underscores that when you have this violation of liberty, when you have the government essentially becoming the bad guys because there aren't enough bad guys and they become the bad guys in order to entrap good guys for political reasons, they're not even able To protect the country, which is the stated purpose of these things, when actually the purpose is political.
And I would like to add one other thing.
The PatCon goes back to the 90s.
That's when the government really started to make a push against the right-wing and right-wing groups.
And one of the key architects of this push against so-called domestic extremism, so-called, quote-unquote, domestic extremism, was none other than Merrick Garland.
Merrick Garland was a major figure going back to the 90s under Clinton in setting up the very architecture whose more mature and crystallized form we see today in the complex persecution politically of Trump supporters and people on the right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Darren, where do people, this is an amazing piece, link to the documentary, maybe a fuller piece out later, where do people go to go to Revolver and your social media?
darren j beattie ▲ ● ▼
Revolver.news, the PatCon piece, is toward the very top.
We have a lot of other things.
We have VP analysis, and we have some major January 6th stuff as well.
So the full range of what you would want and expect from Revolver News available now.
Go to the site, read it, and share it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
short break Bloomberg.
rachel maddow ▲ ● ▼
criminal cases is hard. Right. Bringing criminal cases against people involved in politics is hard and it is a
very high pressure thing for good reason. We rightfully want our criminal justice system and our political system
to operate independently from one another almost all of the time. Right.
You shouldn't have to worry about having the cops or the feds sicced on you by your political opponents because you are a person in political office or in a politically sensitive job.
You also shouldn't be able to get away with committing crimes because you have political stature or political power of some kind, right?
We don't want the criminal justice system and the political system to interact Except when they absolutely have to.
You know, having people in high office committing crimes is very bad.
It's very difficult stuff in motion for us as a country.
better to not elect criminals so we never have to deal with it.
But occasionally it happens.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Got to Damarong of the lawfare as it burns down around them.
They should have focused, as we said before, on the underlying economics and not allowed
the neoliberal neocons that Rachel Maddow and the MSNBC team push.
We've got, honored to have Joshua Green, Josh Green here from Bloomberg.
You've kind of been the person in the mainstream media that has followed the populist movement on the right and on the left.
And that's kind of, not just expertises at Bloomberg, but you're on CNN and you follow this.
You came out with a book.
A while ago on rebels on AOC.
This is your sequel to your first book right?
Which was the populism on the right you came with a sequel of populism on the left just where we are Five months out, and we'll get into, you got a brilliant piece in Bloomberg on the underlying economics of things.
Where is the populist movement having the most impact in this election cycle, and where do you think it's going to be most meaningful?
unidentified
I think it's having an impact on both sides.
I think you can see that in the way both of the party primaries have shaken out.
Who's backing Trump and what Joe Biden is trying to do in terms of going after China?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You're saying because even though they tried to, in the Republican primary, DeSantis and others tried to, I would say, fake a populism.
Everybody, the old Reaganesque, except for Nikki Haley.
Nikki Haley hung tough at the end.
She's the standard bearer for the neoliberal neocon, right?
unidentified
Yeah, but I think, you know, that DeSantis Brand of populism such as almost like generated by AI or something like that.
I mean people could tell this isn't this isn't real This isn't sort of Trump style public, but the as you know as we talked about at length I mean the point of my two books is that if you go back to the financial crisis you had the rise of Populism on the right embodied by the rise of people like you and of course Donald Trump but also you've had it on the left and you've got that Bernie Sanders message that Elizabeth Warren message and But the point in our current political situation is that is filtered through to both parties, and what they share is just an anger at the establishment, now an anger at the White House, especially over levels of inflation.
This is what we're writing about in Bloomberg a lot this week.
And you can kind of see that backlash building.
A lot of voters that we talk to, a lot of undecided voters, are unhappy with both candidates, frankly, because they think that they're getting screwed and they're not happy with the state of the economy.
But one of the things we did at Bloomberg this week, because this is what we do, is to deep dive into the economic numbers.
This isn't a take or a partisan look one way or the other, just what do the numbers show us?
And kind of broke down why it is that people are so angry about the economy and who they blame for the state of things today.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Walk me through that.
So as you go, as Bloomberg looks at the math, what does it tell you?
You guys derive the story from what the math tells you.
unidentified
Exactly.
This is pure math.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You don't come in with a set thing.
unidentified
No, these are literally like economic numbers.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
For our audience, where Bloomberg made his $60 billion, he was a trader over at Salomon Brothers, and he said, I'm not getting enough real-time information at my desk to trade.
He was a bond trader, I think.
He set up these terminals.
In fact, the guys at Salomon Brothers said there's no future in this.
I think he wanted to do it inside a sawmill, but they said, get out of here, you've got
to trade bonds.
But the Bloomberg terminal is for traders, and it's everything hits that first, right?
unidentified
You guys- It is literally a repository, literally, of every financial
number you can pull from governments all over the world, from banks, from what happens.
Every company.
So it's actually a great resource to draw on for reporters.
So we do two things.
Bloomberg News does a monthly swing state poll of the seven battleground states.
So we started there and we asked people, who do you have more confidence in the economy?
And the answer was clearly Trump.
51-32 Trump over Biden.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Is that a stunning, when the guys at Bloomberg look at that, are you blown away by that number, given the amount of money that's been spent?
unidentified
I really am, because if you look at the stock market, if you look at the level of employment, objectively, things are pretty good for most people in America right now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I would say for the 10%.
Hold your horses.
unidentified
Hold your horses.
I'm not going to come to you and punch you.
Objectively, a lot of numbers are pointing in the right direction for Biden, but people
obviously don't feel that way.
So what we did was take a deep dive into these numbers to figure out why that is.
And there are two big takeaways in this article.
And just for people who do have access to Bloomberg and want to look it up, the title of the article says it all.
Voters prefer Trump over Biden on the economy.
This data shows why.
To me, Two numbers jump out that explain why people prefer Trump over Biden.
The first number is per capita disposable income.
Basically how much money people have after inflation, after taxes.
It was running at about four times higher during Trump's presidency than it is under Joe Biden's presidency.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hold on, hold on.
That is a blowout number.
Walk me back through it.
They had four times more disposable income under Trump.
unidentified
That's because inflation was lower, interest rates... It was rising at a rate, the way we put it in the piece, it's rising at a rate only about a quarter of what it was under Biden, of what it was under Trump.
And a lot of that, as you know, is because inflation is just running higher.
And that eats into people's purchasing power.
You go to McDonald's and your Happy Meals is $20 or whatever it is.
That just makes it harder for a paycheck.
Even if your paycheck is bigger, it makes it harder to go farther no matter what you're
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
spending on.
But four times is like a blowout number.
It's not like 10% higher or something like that.
It's 400 times, 400%.
unidentified
That's the rate of increase.
But the other one, and again, this helps to explain that number, is inflation.
And if you look at the cumulative inflation under Joe Biden, so we're measuring the four years under Donald Trump's presidency against where we are in Joe Biden's presidency and what it's projected to be by the end, it's running three times faster under Joe Biden, the rate of inflation, than under Donald Trump.
Biden is on track to have the highest cumulative amount of inflation during his presidency.
Of any president in 40 years.
Since Carter.
Since Carter, yeah.
So to me, that really just explains why people are angry about the economy, even though the stock market is hitting record highs, even though people's paychecks are growing.
These two numbers, to me, explain that populist backlash that we're seeing on the right and on the left, and I think they explain why Joe Biden isn't doing better in the polls right now than he is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And this explains the 51-32 about the handling of the economy.
Yeah.
Let me go, now, you go on CNBC, you see CNBC, you see, uh, you see it less on Bloomberg, but you, because I think you guys are a little more serious, they're a little, Fox Business and CNBC I think are a little more promotional.
The Biden officials go up, or Stephanie Rule every night on MSNBC at 11 o'clock, tells me, oh, the economy's in great shape because of the numbers you just gave.
But the reality is, does the Biden, and Biden's putting people up there saying it's great, and they're trying to sell that, but they don't talk about Bidenomics.
Inside the White House, inside his economic team, do they look at these same numbers?
Do you think that they understand what their problem is?
unidentified
Oh, I think they do.
But look, there are more numbers than just the two that I told you about.
Biden does have, you know, raw economic numbers that are positives for him that you do hear emphasized on MSNBC.
One of those is the stock market is at a record high.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The economy is growing very strongly and despite the... The growth for the first quarter was 1.6% and it took a trillion dollars of federal spending to do this.
unidentified
This is not this is not but two years ago, you know every economist and including, you know
May a culpa Bloomberg Bloomberg economics was was predicting that the American economy would be in recession
and it's not so based on the expectations the economy is performing better than people
thought it was and The rate of unemployment, but do you is extraordinarily low?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So Democrats and Biden do have positives to focus But when you look at that that is driven all driven by
federal spending This is why we're so my point is if you take out the
spending.
So my point is, if you take out the federal spending...
federal so it's a double-edged sword. It's a double issue It's not true economic growth of animal spirits, right? It's
unidentified
So it's a double-edged sword.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's a double-edged sword.
It's not true economic growth of animal spirits, right?
unidentified
not that it's not animal But when you look at that, that is all driven by federal
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You took $900 billion increased spending and deficits to generate $300 or $400 billion
to get to the 1.6%, right?
If you continue to do that, certainly you're going to grow under 2%, but you're adding
exponentially on the debt, and you're going to get into the thing of refinancing it.
unidentified
And I think that's why...
You see the downside of that over the last two years in the economy overheating, and
you throw in things like supply chain constraints over COVID, and you throw in things like the
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
more...
Hang on.
We're going to hold you through this, but I want to go back to the question.
I know what they sell on TV, and I know what they're selling with the S&P and the stock market and all that.
But do you think that they focus on, because these are signal not noise, your two numbers that the Bloomberg guys came up with, right?
And it tracks back to them.
Then the polling makes sense, right?
Do you think in the White House now, they've already jettisoned using Bidenomics, but do you think they're going to try, they're thinking through, given this late hour, how they try to address that?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, there's two ways, I think.
Number one is you hit it on a bad guy who's not Joe Biden.
And so a lot of talk that you hear from Democratic, liberal economists, the White House, is this knock on greedflation.
That corporations, and this is based on a real number, you know, corporate profits are running very high.
That's one reason the stock market's at record high.
They're saying, hey, look, it's the corporation's fault.
They're charging too much.
Blame them.
Don't blame Joe Biden.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You're seeing that as a true pivot now?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you can see that, you know, that's been around for a couple of months.
I don't think it's really caught fire with undecided voters who have decided, okay, well, I guess they're right, I'm going to vote for Joe Biden.
Or he wouldn't be losing six out of seven states in the Bloomberg battleground poll.
But that's the argument they're making.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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Philip is too busy to come on the show during the week.
We get him on weekends.
unidentified
Why?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, we got Andrew Giuliani live, Josh Green's with us, the guy that understands the math
in populism as it relates to politics and of course the economic numbers.
Let's go to Andrew Giuliani, Gata Damarong.
By the way, Dan Patrick, the Lieutenant Governor of Texas, came out in the mics and said what Warren's been saying.
When are we going to indict Michael Cohen?
And more importantly, when are we going to indict Alvin Bragg?
For getting a perjurer up there, Andrew Giuliani.
unidentified
Steve, today, and I'm sorry, I had trouble hearing the questions there, so I'll just give you a quick update on this.
I'll let you re-ask the questions in terms of what happened.
The battle today was really about Costello and whether or not it was Cohen that seeked him as his counsel or whether he was actually just a legal advisor to Cohen.
I think the actual defense might have caught Cohen in another perjury charge over here.
What ended up happening was the assistant district attorneys tried to actually show that an email that was written from Costello's son to Costello, saying it
will be an honor to be on your team, was actually originated from Costello's son to Costello.
What Beauvais, the Trump defense attorney, actually proved today was that was in quotes,
and who quoted it?
Michael Cohen.
Reminder, Steve, Michael Cohen earlier in the week testified that Bob Costello was pursuing
him to be his attorney and that he never ever was his attorney.
It's obvious in looking at these emails that Bob Costello did represent Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen testified to something different.
Michael Cohen may have perjured himself again.
We may have caught that just here this morning.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Walk me through, Andrew, the process.
Where do we go from here?
I guess it's over, the defense rests, the prosecution rests at the ground for closing statements next Tuesday.
They're taking between now and next Tuesday off.
unidentified
Yeah, at this point we're going to get jury instructions this afternoon from 215 or so on.
You know, there's still a dismissal motion that this judge is waiting to rule on here, Steve.
Look, I could sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan Bridge, and Williamsburg Bridge.
For a better price than what it would actually cost this judge to actually dismiss this case but They they have not ruled on that it's obvious that considering jury instructions are coming back that the judge will not dismiss the case it will go to a jury and Summations will begin next Tuesday.
So we'll wait we'll take an entire week off and summations will actually start up on Tuesday of next week one week from today Andrew, there was a big show of force by people supporting President Trump.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
One of those was Lieutenant Governor Patrick of Texas.
He came out and said, hey, we need to indict Michael Cohen immediately, and he says we need to indict Alvin Bragg for bringing this prosecution and knowingly bringing a witness who perjured himself.
Your thoughts?
unidentified
Yeah, look, I mean, Michael Cohen yesterday admitting to stealing $60,000 from the Trump Organization.
Almost casually admitting that right there.
And in terms of Alvin Bragg, look, I've been a big believer since January 1st of 2022 when he was sworn in.
On January 3rd, two days later, he wrote a memo to his assistant district attorneys Saying that he would not prosecute certain violent crimes.
I believe at that moment he violated his oath of office.
And I believe the governor of New York at that moment should have actually looked New York State Constitution Article 2.
She could have removed Alvin Bragg from office.
She didn't.
And honestly, I think charges should be held up against Alvin Bragg.
Brought up against Alvin Bragg.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You're live streaming all the time, put on social media.
Where do people go, Andrew?
unidentified
At Andrew H. Giuliani.
We'll be covering it again here this afternoon.
We'll be covering it starting Tuesday with the summations over here and you can get recaps all the time.
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
We'll see you at 5 o'clock, sir.
Thank you very much.
I'm not sure they're going through jury instructions to the jury.
I think they're technically trying to figure out what the charges are just with the judge.
More wall-to-wall coverage of that at 5.
So first off, everybody in the audience, Grace and Mo, I want everybody to read this.
We'll figure out how to get it past the paywall.
Bloomberg's worth $60 billion.
He'll figure out how to get the payroll.
Of course, I subscribe to Bloomberg.
Also, Bloomberg TV.
We normally have Bloomberg TV on 24-7.
We don't put it up here because, to me, it's a trader's mentality.
It rolls 24 hours a day from Asia to Australia to India.
You can get a really good sense of the world, what's going on.
And it's all the important geopolitical news, not just business and financial news.
You've written another piece today that's actually more explosive than this, because the Biden and those guys don't want to talk about your first piece.
They don't want to discuss at all why the American people are sitting there going, hey, my life just sucks under this, and it can't continue on.
Your piece today, and President Trump, I don't know if we have the clip, President Trump, and knowing President Trump, he's saying it to get a reaction.
He said it in the Time magazine cover story, which I thought was one of the best interviews he gave.
It was explosive.
The Time guy did a really good job.
And then he's saying it now all the time at his rallies.
What is President Trump saying that you picked up on and did a deep dive on?
unidentified
So my piece is called Trump forever with a question mark.
And it's based on, you know, I get to sit in on kind of focus groups and stuff from time to time.
Strategists in both parties will let me do this just to kind of get a pulse of what voters are talking about and
worrying about.
And one thing that I picked up on was that a lot of undecided voters and a lot of voters who actually voted for Biden in 2020, but then have turned against him, are hesitant to vote for Donald Trump because they're afraid that if Trump is reelected, he'll never leave the White House, that he'll You know, FDR.
16 years.
Almost 16 years.
He was four-term.
I don't know.
Are we gonna be considered three-term or two-term?
You tell me.
permanent presidency. This is a real fear among real people who are out there.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
This is because you think the media has put, by the way, let's play the clip from President
Trump. President Trump does do this now just about every rally. Let's go ahead and play
unidentified
it.
You know, FDR, 16 years, almost 16 years, he was four term.
I don't know, are we going to be considered three term or two term? You tell me.
Ronnie, what do you think? Are we three term or two term if we win?
Bye.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Three-term or two-term.
unidentified
And then the audience always goes, three, three, the vote is up.
This isn't a media fabrication.
You know this.
Trump likes to talk about this stuff.
He said, I'll be a dictator for a day.
Sean Hannity invites him on to knock it down.
And he goes, no, no, I meant it.
I'm serious.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Well, hold it.
But my point is you have a very wise individual quoted in this story that says to do that would take two-thirds of the House and the Senate.
It's a whole process.
It's not going to happen.
He does this.
This is what I love about him.
Okay, first off, half of this audience Would say, hey, I'm good.
How do we make this happen?
Of course Maga would say, of course, how you doing?
He's just he's clearly trying to trigger people.
But you're saying when you actually sit in these focus groups, there are some independent voters who might vote for Trump who actually get triggered by this.
unidentified
That's correct.
So the group of voters I'm looking at and writing about are not Rachel Maddow liberals who think Trump's gonna whatever.
Those people are already convinced he'll declare himself king.
And it's not MAGA people who are thinking, hey that'd be great if he did it.
These are undecided, mostly battleground state voters who don't really like either candidate.
They're mad about Biden over inflation or they think he's too old or whatever, but they are hesitating in getting behind Trump or deciding they won't get behind Trump because they're worried.
They hear the stuff.
They see some of the January 6th stuff.
They see Trump's comment about, I'll be dictator for a day.
They hear Trump at the NRA rally saying three terms, three terms, and they think, well, You know, I don't love Biden, but I don't want this guy to be president forever.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And I take it when you say these folks, these are not that they're dumb people, but they're low information.
They don't follow politics that closely.
So when they see President Trump triggering people like he does here in the crowd response three, three, three, because those are his most ardent supporters, you're saying it rattles them because they haven't heard this type of discussion.
unidentified
I think it does, and I think you hear a steady stream of it for reasons that you point out in the piece.
Trump loves doing this, I think, to troll liberals.
It's very effective, right?
Of course he loves it.
He provides NBC primetime with wall-to-wall coverage.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's what's wall-to-wall coverage.
unidentified
Right.
But what I'm saying is that strategists in both parties, Republicans and Democrats I
talk to, are picking up a backlash that Trump may not be, certainly isn't attending and
may not know about.
That there are voters who are not happy with Biden who are getting triggered by this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
They look back at his presidency and say, hey, maybe, but there are other elements they're
hearing, particularly this, that cause them concern.
unidentified
We had one guy in this focus group, an undecided voter in Pennsylvania.
He's not just worried about a Trump permanent presidency.
He thinks it's going to be a monarchy, where he's going to pass it off to Barron for a couple terms, and that essentially will be like France in the 18th century or something.
It'll be Trump forever.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So that's 25% of the war room.
No, we're anti-Marnicus.
We're definitely small-R Republicans.
We don't even like the monarchy in England.
When you sit in these focus groups, Particularly with people that don't watch the war room, that don't watch Rachel Maddow or that.
What is the general concern?
Besides this, what are you hearing from people when you sit in?
And I want to make sure people know this with Josh.
He's getting invited by both Republicans and Democrats, right?
Because they look at Bloomberg as really the most Uh, important of the business press because you talk to the capital markets guys all the time.
So what are you hearing when you said that?
unidentified
Yeah, well, you said, look, if you're if you're an undecided voter at this point, right, you're either not paying super.
I mean, because, you know, both these guys have been around forever.
They've both been president.
Right.
And if you can't make up your mind, you're probably not paying super close to whichever way you want to go.
Right.
So these are people who are not super high information voters.
I think all the ones in the focus groups I was in did vote in 2020.
So these are people that vote, but maybe they don't tune in until the last minute.
A lot of these people think maybe, you know, RFK will be president or maybe some new candidate will come in.
They're not giving a lot of hard thought to this, but what they are generally is very frustrated over the economy.
Very frustrated over the choice between Biden and Trump.
But what would come up again and again in these groups is that, you know, we voted for the ones that voted for Biden in 2020.
We voted for Biden because we wanted change.
We wanted normalcy.
We wanted a good economy.
And we thought he would be temporary in a lot of cases, that he would be a transitional figure.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I think he sold himself as that.
unidentified
Oh, he did?
He's sticking around, the economy, the country is not going in a way that they'd hoped.
And they're mad about it.
They're frustrated and they're looking for options, but what's keeping them from getting
on the Trump train is that they think Trump's going to make himself king.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
When you talk to strategists of the two bases of the parties, the MAGA base and you talk
about the progressive base, which one do you view now as more motivated and coming out
unidentified
There's no question that the Republican base is more motivated to vote for Trump than Democrats are for Biden.
That's clear in every poll I've seen.
Public, private, Democrat, Republican.
The question, I think, really, in the election might come down to this, is can Democrats do an effective enough job of scaring people like the ones that I'm writing about into this piece into thinking, you know what, I don't like Biden, but I'm afraid of Trump.
I'm afraid he'll declare himself president for life.
I don't like that, so I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Joe Biden.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And so you think this is going to be a big push between now and election day?
unidentified
Well, if you look at the options Biden has to talk about, it's not going to be that inflation's going great.
It's not going to be that your per capita spending is twice what it was in the Trump administration, because it's not.
As we said last segment, it's one quarter of what it was over Trump.
So you have to come out with arguments to get people not to vote for Donald Trump and to vote for Joe Biden.
And one of the arguments that seems to be effective with some of these voters is that he's going to declare himself king.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Where do they go to get your books?
unidentified
Two books are Rise of Right-Wing Populism, Devil's Bargain, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and the Storming of the Presidency.
Left-Wing Populism is The Rebels, and you can find me on Twitter at JoshuaGreen.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And for our audience, I can't recommend strong enough the first book, and the second book's great.
We're going to push this out hard.
Great to have you in here.
Look forward to these other pieces as you do it.
Elizabeth Warren makes a Bernie AOC all your favorites.
unidentified
Where social media where they go to get Twitter is Joshua Green and blue sky is
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
also Joshua Green. Okay we're gonna push this out hard and great to have you in
here look forward to these other pieces as you do it this this one on economics
is big and the one about President Trump maybe inadvertently scaring people right
we got it of course our audience hey what's three give me three out the one a
fourth right what's this baron thing don't skip Don jr. he can't do it
Joshua Green thanks thanks for coming in buddy okay short break
unidentified
here's your host Stephen K back I'm
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I want to make sure this audience reads the first—the second one, don't get me wrong, it's important, but I think it's ephemeral.
Obviously, President Trump is kidding there.
Although, like I said, if he wanted a third term, he'd have to pass two-thirds of the House, two-thirds of the Senate.
So in today's politics, it's just not practical.
What we've got to do is get this one right in every aspect of it.
I think that is what his focus is.
Of course, he's going to trigger these liberals at every possible moment.
The first piece, though, is pure signal.
It answers analytically something we've been talking about, and it really does a very good job of distilling down to the lived experience of American citizens.
what their plight is and why, in their own common sense, they can't be BSed around this.
They see it, you can go out and buy economics, you can say the stock market's great, this is great,
everything's great, and they're not buying it. And if you watch MSNBC and the business channels,
there's over and over again, things are great, why don't you appreciate it, Paul Krugman,
et cetera. So a very important piece, because this is going to come down
a lot, particularly in those battleground states where we need to get those 25 counties,
two people make a decision that, hey, the Trump years were far better for me than what Biden is
And I see everything he's selling for the future.
It's not going to get better.
Like I said, every defense mechanism they've had law for now, it's going to get even darker, I think.
And so we've got to be this audience, since you're the vanguard, we try to get you Some of the best thinking out there.
Also Josh has spent eight years of his life really the first serious journalist to look at the populist movement through the lens of the financial crisis of 2008 because we've essentially never recovered from that.
The working class and middle class certainly.
So I was going to have Judge Gableman on here about the Robin Voss situation in Wisconsin.
However, it's so involved, we need more time, and so Judge Gableman is going to join me tonight at 6 with Rasmussen, Mark Mitchell, We'll be joining us back.
We haven't had Mark on for a while, or Durasmus, and I want to follow on Josh and give some, get in some of these numbers deeply about the other aspect, the lawfare aspect of this, and how that's playing, because that's coming unwound.
Remember, we're not just going for a victory here, we're going for a massive victory.
To take the House, and you saw DeGrasse yesterday, to hold the House that we have and add some seats, to then add some seats, actually take the Senate and add seats, state legislatures, governorships, and particularly a blowout for the presidency.
We had this opportunity, this conversion of forces, and you gotta push forward.
Didn't get there in 22, did take control, Didn't totally get there.
Didn't get the 30 or 35 seats we thought we would get.
But when you have these moves, you have these possibilities, you've got to drop the hammer and go and go and go.
And this is why President Trump has to remain on offense.
Offense is what's turned this around.
The show of force in New York.
It was crickets for the first couple weeks.
Now it's a show of force.
We're changing the narrative here, and you're changing it by doing what you do best, which is being a force multiplier.
So this fight we're totally engaged in.
The next 30 days in this first component piece to November 5, I think is what I call the bonfire, the vanities with lawfare.
Because you're going to have the Supreme Court ruling in mid-June.
Before they take off, you're going to have Judge Cannon, and she's going to come out Actually with the dismissal maybe on one part of it and then put Jack Smith on trial which we need to we need to turn the guns around on Alvin Bragg on Jack Smith and go on offense against these guys and this is why this vote We don't want to do it now with Bill Blasser, but we're gonna get there probably I don't know this week Or to talk to you representatives next week of where is the contempt charge on Garland?
We had these throwdown hearings in the firestorm last week.
Where is it?
So, a lot to go through, and you guys are the key part of it.
Is Mike Lindell with us?
So, Mike, we're not going to have a Judge Gabelman.
He needs more time, and I want to give this more time, because this is a Robin Voss situation, just like in Georgia.
You can't let these things kind of hang out there.
Now, in Georgia, the state convention, you know, the grassroots movement, the MAGA movement, at each of these state conventions, not just the precinct strategy, now you're going up, you're going up, you're going up the food chain.
You're taking over the state parties.
You're taking over the state conventions.
You're electing representatives to the RNC.
This is all part of a movement.
This is part of a process.
Not going to happen overnight, but you see that we're gaining momentum every day.
Gableman's going to be on this Robin Voss situation.
What's in Wisconsin may actually be more important than what's in Georgia, because the number in Georgia looks so blowout, and we don't have that in Wisconsin.
Mike, I know you're working on that, but what the audience wants to hear from you is they've been in love with this deal, and they want to know more details.
Yeah, and thanks, Stephen.
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