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harry enten
Look at this number for Donald Trump.
unidentified
22%.
harry enten
Where was Donald Trump at this point four years ago in the polls?
He was just at 9% of the vote, so he's seen more than a doubling in his support among African Americans.
This margin, which was in the 70s, Just four years ago.
Look at where it is now.
69 minus 22.
That puts it in the 40s.
My goodness gracious!
If this held through the general election, obviously we're still months away, this would be by far the best performance for a Republican candidate among black voters in a generation, two generations, probably since 1960 and Richard Nixon against John F. Kennedy.
That's how long we're really talking about when we're looking at this margin here.
This could be a truly historic margin.
It's quite a troubling sign for the Biden campaign.
unidentified
I think there's two things at work here.
One is, there is a cognitive decline of Donald Trump.
If you look at Donald Trump even eight years ago, he sounds like a very different person.
He was mean, he was racist, he was sexist, but he wasn't in the cognitive decline that he's in now.
This is a guy who is on a fast track to dementia.
And we should talk about that, because it's extraordinarily dangerous if this guy becomes president of the United States.
I mean, do you really want to give nuclear weapons to somebody who's up there talking in public about Hannibal Lecter as if he's a real person?
I mean, it's just, it doesn't have anything to do with right or left, or conservative or liberal.
ali velshi
Right.
unidentified
This is just, you know, a man who's in decline, and he should never be president.
ali velshi
But there is a right and a left and there are people who have opinions as they should across the political spectrum and I would think, but I'm an idiot because I've been thinking this for eight years, I would think this is a great time for some of those people to do what people like you have done and said, whatever my My political beliefs are, wherever I lie on the ideological spectrum, it's not getting achieved with this guy.
We're not furthering the debate in American politics with this guy.
And yet, they line up.
They go to that courtroom.
They have no business going there.
If you never showed up at Donald Trump's trial, it wouldn't affect you politically.
And yet they go.
unidentified
Yeah, you know, I miss Shane, Ollie.
I really do.
It was a useful instrument in civil society.
Yes.
You know, this is why I called this book I wrote, it was all a lie.
Because I don't know any other conclusion you can come to.
You know, people don't abandon deeply held beliefs in a few years.
And this party, this was the character counts party?
You know, Peggy Noonan wrote a book when character was king, and they're up there voluntarily dressed like some sort of aging boy band reunion and talking about the president, the guy that wants to be president United States, who had accused of having sex with a porn star 10 days or so after his son, youngest son was born, who paid her off.
I mean, it's just all so tawdry.
You know, in 2000, when I worked for Bush, the single most powerful message that we had in that campaign was restoring honor and dignity to the White House.
I mean, it worked better than anything else because it resonated with people.
And, you know, I still think that America's out there.
I think the Republican Party is out of step with that America.
And I think it's one of the reasons that Joe Biden is going to win resoundingly in the fall.
But specifically with black voters.
It's not all black voters.
It's younger black voters and particularly younger black men.
I discovered this when I got off a plane at JFK when two baggage handlers came over to me to tell me that I don't get it.
That they're going to vote for Donald Trump because they think they are being Victimized the same way that he is.
In some of these votes that have left Joe Biden over the last four years, it's because of Biden's weakness.
In this case, young black men see in Donald Trump the same kind of oppression, the same kind of persecution, the idea that Trump is a victim and they feel victimized by the system.
And so they're endorsing Trump because of the fight that he's having.
And I actually think it's possible that among black voters, male black voters under age 40, that even a third of them could end up with Trump in the fall.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on this, people.
steve bannon
You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
It's Saturday, 18 May, Year of Our Lord 2024.
We have an absolute packed show today.
We're going to go from Minnesota to get a summary of what President Trump said last night to Grant Stinchfield of Real America's Voice is at the NRA where President Trump will talk today.
We're going to talk geopolitics, we've got capital markets, Birch Gold is going to join us.
It's jammed for the next two hours, thanks.
For joining my favorite show of the week, as you guys know, the Saturday Morning Show.
Raheem Kassam, my co-host.
Raheem, first off, we'll talk about the Rudy thing a little while.
Raheem and I were there last night.
Raheem much later than I was.
Raheem, you're completely ripped.
I haven't been in, you know, it's like a gun show now.
You're like Anderson Cooper.
It's a gun show.
What is going on?
When did you find the time to work out?
I thought National Pulse was taking 24 hours a day.
raheem kassam
Just lots of tea and lots of raisin bread and a lot of push-ups.
That's all we're doing now.
steve bannon
Rahim, you've got a, I've got a great piece and two of the great guys are going to join us in a second about this, about the tip of this race, but you've got a scoop.
I think it's up on, um, it's the reason that everybody's focused on the throw down in the house on the, on the markup of the contempt citation.
It's not about, they're not talking about the constitutional crisis we're heading to, uh, as the, uh, they circle the wagons at the white house to try to protect this tape that we're eventually going to hear.
But they don't want to talk about Cohen's disastrous testimony, the cross-examination by Todd Blanche.
And I've got to tell you, I'm so glad they stretched it over until Monday.
They're going to be able to go through everything and get another bite of the apple.
But you picked up a buried lead.
raheem kassam
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, we've been watching the trial really closely and, you know, National Pulse readers will know that Will Upton has been working on, like, long round-ups every afternoon.
And one of the things I kept picking up on was... I think you're the only guys that are doing it.
steve bannon
Yeah, that's right.
Not many people are following this.
raheem kassam
And Will Upton pulls out that, you know, he keeps calling himself a surrogate.
He keeps calling himself a 2016 campaign surrogate.
Well, surrogate, for the people that know, is a political industry piece of technical jargon.
steve bannon
Term of art.
raheem kassam
Exactly.
For people who are outside of, like, being paid by the campaign, but they're still getting talking points in the inbox every morning, go out on television, on radio, represent in the best way possible.
So I just thought, hey, has anybody bothered to check No way.
the people who are running surrogate operations from 2016 as to whether or not Michael Cohen
was actually a surrogate.
So I checked and it turns out Brian Lanza, who was the director of communications back
on the campaign, he ran the surrogate operation.
He sends me a message, he says at no point did Donald Trump or anybody on the campaign
ask me to treat Michael Cohen as a surrogate.
He was not one of our surrogates.
And so this is, it seems like a small deal, but at the same time...
steve bannon
No, it's another perjury thing.
raheem kassam
It's perjury!
He's perjured himself, and he didn't say it once.
He said it all throughout the trial.
steve bannon
Yeah, because he tried to make himself like he was part of the campaign.
He was not.
We wouldn't lay him on the 14th floor.
Guys, bad news.
We're going to get into more.
Ibrahim, thank you for joining us today, because we're going to talk a lot about Ukraine, geopolitics, Xi and Putin, Ben Harnwell, Dr. Larry Schweikert, who wrote the new book on globalization.
We'll start with Dr. Bradley Thayer, one of our top contributors, and of course, Captain Jim Finnell.
You guys have a piece out this morning that kind of leads the framework, and that's why I wanted to start with you.
You really teed it up well.
Dr. Thayer, tell us your argument over at American Greatness, and Grace and Mo, Carly Bonet, everybody, our Telegram page.
If people can push this out, I want this.
This is on the must-read list for this weekend.
Dr. Thayer.
bradley thayer
Hi, Steve.
It's great to join you and Raheem again.
Our argument is the election of 2024 is a critical election.
This is essential.
It would go back to 1860.
Defined anything equivalent in American history and the choice is clear.
This election is going to determine whether we have a renaissance really in American freedom and a rebirth of American liberty and conceptions of the spirit of 1776 or whether we're going to do increasingly as we have been.
Uh, go down the path of totalitarianism, and that's not hyperbolic, but that is the stark choice that we face.
The path to totalitarianism has been decades in the making.
This isn't something new.
It's not like Athena out of Zeus's head.
This is something that we have been, essentially, many currents have brought us to where we are.
But that's the choice.
The lawfare, the tactics that have been employed, 2016, then 2020, and then with the run-up to the election today.
And Steve, as you've stressed time and again, what happens after the election is also essential to ensuring that we have a faithful election.
But that path to totalitarianism is a really stark one.
And we draw the contrast to the Bolsheviks in 1917.
They didn't know how far they could push the Russian people.
It's not because they didn't have the intent, the revolutionary and bloodthirsty intent, but they recognized that year after year they could push And they could continue.
And the result was that you reach the horrors of Stalinism.
And that's something that we need to recognize.
Americans need to recognize the stark choice which is present.
But at the same time, there's the possibility with President Trump and the coalition that's coming together as you're cold open identified, right?
Folks are coming to the mega movement.
Let me get Captain Fennell in here, because he's seen it from Europe.
many different populations who they hadn't before.
There's that possibility for the Renaissance, really in American thought, in American politics,
and to recapture really what made the United States an exceptional and great country.
steve bannon
Let me get Captain Fanon here, because he's seen it from Europe.
With your guy's thesis and what Dr. Thayer just laid out, we just had on Thursday in Atlanta,
I think the second or third of the Freedom Alliances, the third World War, the early years,
which the Committee on the Present Danger, Captain Fanon, you, Dr. Thayer,
obviously War Room have helped.
But you see Xi and Putin, you see the coming together, and we forced Putin to kind of partner with Xi.
You see Xi, you see Putin, you see the mullahs in Persia, you see all the conflicts in Ukraine, everything.
I mean, do we have a renaissance?
I mean, how are we going to do that, Captain Finnell, when the storm clouds of war are right there with us, sir?
jim fanell
Well, Steve, thanks for having us on.
And I think the answer is we have to return to the spirit of 1776, which we mentioned in the article, which is that we have to put truth first.
In your cold open, you had somebody on.
I don't know who that person is, but they talked about that the party, the GOP, used to stand for principles.
Well, here's a principle.
Since Biden's been in office, we've had probably a million people be vaporized through war.
In Afghanistan, Americans and Afghani friends and allies murdered.
In Ukraine, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians murdered.
Russian soldiers dead.
Five million people displaced out of Ukraine at a minimum.
And now we see what the tens of thousands are being killed in Israel and Gaza.
So by Allowing the totalitarians that are pursuing their agenda inside the United States, we're watching people be killed.
And we didn't see that during the previous administration.
So when people want to talk about principle and stand for principles, we have to speak out for truth.
And so if they want to focus on some trial and be titillated with that, that's their business.
But the reality is people are being killed because of the policies and actions of Joe Biden.
And it was highlighted this last week, watching our Secretary of State go out and play a guitar in Kiev while people are in war.
It's disgusting.
And so Americans, if we're going to avoid this war or prepare for this potential war that Xi and Putin and the mullahs want to inflict upon us, we're going to have to stand up now and reject the lies.
Reject these lies that are coming out of every orifice in D.C.
and the press and the media.
And we've got to speak truth.
And we've got to say we've got to get back to rational thinking.
And we can't allow This agenda to take Trump out to dominate everybody's mindset.
It's killing people right now.
steve bannon
Guys, hang on for a second.
We're taking a short commercial break.
That was Stuart Stevens, who you know well.
And it's back to Thayer's point.
The reason we got here, Stuart Stevens says we stood on principle.
That's controlled opposition.
We got into this situation because they didn't have the backbone or the spine to stand up to the radical left.
raheem kassam
Well, you know, in a lot of senses you have the internationalization of American both domestic and foreign policy, right?
And so everything that we're talking about now with, you know, the throwbacks to the Bolshevik Revolution, all of these things that America has been so good at fending off for centuries now actually has come home to roost.
And it's done it.
It's done it in such a disturbingly nascent manner.
Like Joe Biden doesn't seem like that totalitarian figure to most people out there.
That's why they want to keep him up there as the guy.
steve bannon
Short commercial break.
We got Dr. Sweikert, we got Ben Harnwell, Captain Finnell, Dr. Thayer.
Next in the War Room.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.
steve bannon
Dr. Thayer, Cam Finnell picked up on it, Stuart Stevens.
Remember, Stuart Stevens was the major strategist for Mitt Romney and one of the most prominent political voices.
We opened, we had both lunch talking about the rise of MAGA as a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, populist nationalist movement that right now looks like if you look at the polling and we can deliver that and not let them steal it, this could be a blowout.
Controlled opposition.
The Republican Party had power for decades and decades and decades.
The House, the Senate, the White House, and we are where we are.
Your thoughts?
bradley thayer
Well, indeed, and that's in no small measure because the Republican Party, big chunks of it in terms of the elite, not the base, certainly, but those who are running the Republican Party were controlled opposition.
They were always a half a step or maybe one full step behind what the Democrats were doing.
And they were that way for decades.
And that really shows the success of the communist totalitarian movement in the United States, where they were not only able to work their way into the educational system, media, universities, of course, foundations, But politics, including opposition parties that should have resisted that movement, called it out and resisted it time and time again, but obviously did not.
In fact, because of the rewards or because they were coerced or because they were cowed by other mechanisms, right, they always went along with whatever That totalitarian impetus in the Democratic Party was doing.
And that explains why we are where we are in terms of our politics, in terms of the Republican Party and the separation between, if you will, the elite and the MAGA movement.
But it also shows why 2024 is critical because this is the last chance, the last chance we have.
steve bannon
Captain Fennell, you analyze the Bolsheviks in your piece.
Do you think the modern Democratic Party and the combination of Wall Street and the tech feudalism out of Silicon Valley, do you think we're looking at modern Bolsheviks?
jim fanell
I do, Steve.
I think it's a form of communism and it's a form of, as Brad said, we have this elite capture and we have people that are just more willing to Believe in themselves.
And that's why we wrote this book, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure, which talks to the fact that elites from both parties, Democrat and Republican, have put us in a position of weakness vis-a-vis the PRC and allowed the PRC to grow.
We fed them.
We gave them money.
We helped them build their military.
We helped them build their economy.
And now they're turning it on us to destroy us.
And so these people in Washington can't ever admit that they made that mistake.
They should, but they won't.
And they have a tendency, as Brad said, to think this way and to think in terms of total control.
And we saw it during COVID.
That was probably the biggest revelation, I think, to the American people.
steve bannon
Captain, for now, where do people get the book?
Where do they get more of your writings?
How do people make contact with you, find out more about you?
You're one of the seminal figures in this fight against the Chinese Communist Party and this spread to the United States of America.
So where do people go?
jim fanell
Well, they can get our book anywhere you buy books.
It's for sale on any website, but it's Amazon or Skyhorse Publishing.
And Brad and I do a weekly column for American Greatness, and we write for other outlets as well.
And then for me, I don't do social media, so you can get a hold of Brad through his social media.
steve bannon
He does.
Dr. Thayer, where do people go to get you?
bradley thayer
Bradley Fair at Getter or Truth or Brad Fair on X. And thanks very much, Steve, and great to see Raheem, too.
steve bannon
Yeah, great.
The book is fantastic.
The article is fantastic.
We'll push it out whenever I go.
And, you know, you two guys are, when you guys say this, you're not folks that run around with your hair on fire.
So it has even more power, more gravitas.
Thanks, guys.
Join us on a Saturday.
raheem kassam
Appreciate it.
steve bannon
So where are we, Rahim?
You've been doing this for a while.
You see the collapse of the Tory party in the United Kingdom.
We've got a run-up.
I say the European parliamentary elections could be as important in this movement as Brexit was to the tee-up of 16 for President Trump.
You do this every day and you've been both in the trenches and then an observer of it.
Your thoughts?
raheem kassam
Still in the trenches, by the way, but just kind of taking a step Is it different being an information warfare than it is being a day-to-day operative?
Yeah, day-to-day operative, you know, the logistics take up all your time, right?
And you don't really have the time to think about some of the things that I'm just going to mention now, right?
Which is, where does this fight go?
And who are we actually fighting here?
Because you can talk about the ideology, you can talk about the Democrat Party, you can talk about, you know, a lot of the NGO class, the DC operatives, the RINOs, all of that stuff, as we do every day, right?
That's the logistics.
But let's talk about the 50,000-foot picture here.
The big problem that we face at the moment, you look at Natalie Winters' story yesterday about the Soros stuff and all of that, you look at how much they're buying up all of these media outlets across the country.
steve bannon
Yeah, Soros is running the tables on radio.
raheem kassam
Look, I'm sure you've said it before, I'm going to say it again, none of this lawfare could exist, nothing that's going on right now that usurps The U.S.'
's founding principles could exist, unfortunately, I'm going to say this, and no offense to Dave Bossie, without Citizens United.
steve bannon
The flood... Not the organization of Dave, but the ruling that came out.
Walk our audience through that.
raheem kassam
The idea, and by the way, this brought something back to my attention last week because I think it was The Guardian, of course it would be The Guardian, had a piece that says, well, if corporations can be people, then animals can be treated as people as well.
And I thought to myself, this is the crazed thinking of these depraved people.
We need to be thinking about rowing back the idea that corporations can act as individuals
in an election in the United States, right?
Somehow the defenses, the pretenses...
steve bannon
This is what the donors wanted from day one, right?
raheem kassam
This is what the corporate class wants, right?
Because it effectively negates your agency out there.
And it's not a human against human thing.
It is a faceless corporation against your economy, against your constitution, against your agency, against your neighborhood.
And I think the future of this movement, in a lot of ways, and, you know, call me a hippie maybe, lays with assailing corporations at the most fundamental level, right?
They've now found these forever chemicals ubiquitous in the Great Lakes.
steve bannon
Yes.
raheem kassam
In the Great Lakes, right?
95% of America's fresh water, right?
Right there.
And they've been dumping these chemicals in there, and I think if this movement, you know, wants to grow into that area... No, no, no.
unidentified
You have to take the fight to them on the poisoning of America.
steve bannon
I think the MAGA movement is.
I think this is what MAGA stood up against the COVID pandemic and what Fauci was pushing with the mask.
Obviously... Flint.
raheem kassam
The water in Flint.
steve bannon
The first thing President Trump went to in the 16 campaign when the Democrats couldn't do it.
So much came out of COVID and the restriction of the pandemic.
I think it's the backbone of the... And you can't trust these giant corporations.
People know these people...
We're entrepreneurial capitalists, right, and not finance capitalism.
raheem kassam
But look at what these big companies are doing.
Tyson Food is a great example.
Have you seen this?
steve bannon
Yeah, about firing the people in the villages and hiring the illegal aliens?
raheem kassam
Hiring?
steve bannon
They're in your face.
raheem kassam
No, but here's the thing.
This is how they do it.
steve bannon
Jobs Americans don't want.
raheem kassam
They're not illegal migrants.
Why are they not illegal migrants?
Because what happens is they're illegal migrants when they enter the country, but then the Biden regime has been giving them right-to-work documentation.
So they're laundering illegals, and now they're working, and then who's going out and buying Tyson Foods?
It's ordinary Americans, and they're unaware of this stuff.
They're poisoning America.
steve bannon
And you're eating the poison.
And also destroying the working class in this country because you're driving down wages.
raheem kassam
This Bolshevik revolution could not happen in America without the corporate class and all their cash.
steve bannon
You see, remember, I make a big distinction between communism and Marxism.
Communism is a set of economic principles and, of course, the Marxists.
These people are clearly Marxist, right?
They want total control and they want to accrete all value to themselves. So there's not like their, you
know, New Testament, Gospel of Matthew, Sermon on the Mount, you know, communists that, you know, everybody gets their
own share.
That's not how they work. But they are definitely radical Marxists, atheistic against traditional Judeo-Christian
West, against the family.
Dr. Larry Schweikart, you wrote the book on globalization.
Do you see it in starker terms right now as Thayer and Captain Fanel, that this is, everything's on the table
right now?
We've had too much controlled opposition and the globalists are out to turn the United States into a totalitarian dictatorship.
larry schweikart
Well, they've been doing that for 30 years.
In historical terms, that's nothing new.
What is new is the pushback is exceptional right now.
It's unbelievable.
I mean, in just this last couple of weeks, we had Ireland begin deporting illegal immigrants.
We had England start deporting illegal immigrants.
We had the Netherlands begin mass deportations of illegals and a crackdown on the Green Revolution.
We had Peru say that transism is a mental disease.
A few, what, two months ago, we had the Cass report in England, which I think shocked everybody,
that said, yeah, there's biological sexism, there's only two of them.
And miracle in miracles, the British government actually accepted that with the National Health
Service and said, OK, you're right.
So the U.S.
is actually way behind the global trend right now, which is populism reacting against all of these elements within the globalist movement.
I love it.
And I think your first guest who was talking about where President Trump is with blacks,
we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
The report came out today that Trump is going to hold a rally in New York, the first by
a Republican in a very long time.
And of course, he will get an incredible turnout.
And you guys are all absolutely right.
The only reason we're even discussing Harrison Butker and his church speech or Marjorie Taylor Greene and occasional cortex in their house fight or the Alito flag, the only reason they are bringing this stuff up is because Joe Biden is getting crushed now.
The polls are starting to all move away from him in a significant way.
Trump's starting to near 50% in many of these state polls.
Nevada yesterday was at 49.
We hit that 50% margin.
Boy, they're over.
Now we've talked about the gap.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it.
Dr. Sorkin, hang on one second.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Pay some bills.
Larry Swickert, the new book, Patriot's History of Globalization.
A War Room book.
Short commercial break!
Raheem is in the house!
Ben Harlow is going to join us next.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
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Rahim, Swiker gave us a pretty good tour de horizon on what's going on.
Do you buy this, that you're starting to see a revolt against the madness?
raheem kassam
Oh yeah, big time.
I also think that on the East Coast, we're extremely, like, more kind of bubbled in than ever before.
steve bannon
This is huge.
Tell us about this, because I think you're a thousand percent correct.
raheem kassam
I've started to watch a lot of, like, localized programming from outside of the East Coast.
Like, comedy programming, cultural programming, things like that.
And the things that we're told in New York and D.C.
that you can't say, you can't talk about, you can't joke about, like all of these things, oh, they're doing it all the time.
They don't mind whatsoever.
I mean, some of these comedy shows, they've been going on for a long time.
steve bannon
When you say comedy shows?
raheem kassam
Yeah, so recently, and I know a lot of the audience will know what I'm talking about already, but recently I've started watching a lot of the show Kill Tony, right, which is out of Austin.
They left LA, especially because of all the pandemic stuff.
Moved the show out to Austin.
They're friends with the kind of Joe Rogan guys.
They have these comedians on every week and look I'm not saying this is no endorsement from me on this stuff but like Adam Ray another comedian gets up on stage a couple weeks ago and he's in full like drag right but he's lampooning the drag he's like in Mrs. Doubtfire style drag and all those things I think It's hammered into our heads all the time.
You see what's going on in midtown Manhattan, you see what's going on in downtown DC, George Washington University campus, all that nonsense.
The rest of the country is just looking at the East Coast and looking at the Acela Corridor and going, who are you?
We don't recognize you.
And I know a lot of people have felt like that for a long time, but I think that stark distinction, that gulf is getting wider and wider.
steve bannon
This is also Gerd Wilders, what's happening with him, he's putting together the anti-mass migration, even Ireland kicking back on some of this stuff.
raheem kassam
Look, the funny thing is, the East Coast, the Acela Corridor now, is like the old world to the rest of America.
steve bannon
Exactly.
raheem kassam
Right?
It's fusty, it's stuffy, they've got all these hockey rules.
steve bannon
And it's closer to Brussels than it is to America.
raheem kassam
It's far closer to Brussels.
Right?
And also, I mean, it's such a great point, by the way, about what's going on in Europe.
Now, listen, I don't think that deporting 12 migrants from the UK to Rwanda is necessarily going to change the world, but it's a start, right?
steve bannon
Well, it shows you they're panicked about the vote.
It's intense.
raheem kassam
Netherlands doing this too.
What's happening in Spain?
What's happening in France?
I mean, we laid the groundwork for these conversations back when, 2013-2014.
I mean, this is a decade ago.
We were talking about, hey, you look 10 years into the future and we are going to have to be mass deporting people.
Look at what's happening.
steve bannon
We start talking about the book, oh wait for it, Camp of the Saints.
Dr. Schweiker, do you buy Rahim's?
You're more of a cultural guy.
I mean, you're a historian, but you're a cultural guy.
You really look at cultural history.
Do you buy this?
larry schweikart
Yeah, absolutely.
In fact, I have a good friend who transits between Utah and California, Los Angeles, and he just came back from California.
I'm just struck by how much rage and hopelessness is in the eyes of the people out there.
I think not just New York and DC, but obviously Los Angeles and San Francisco
are in that same thing.
And the people are seeing their own more local governments in California and New York
doing this incredibly horrible stuff and just not stopping and they feel helpless.
And to a degree, I think they're blaming the rest of the country.
It's kind of that final stage before they get to self-awareness and blaming themselves.
But I wanted to bring up one more great example where we're going with this, and that's Japan.
Japan just rejected the WHO treaty.
Now, in my rock and roll days, we played the Troubadour, and the real WHO came in and sat through our set at the Troubadour, and Pete Townsend slapped me on the back and said, hey, good show, Watt.
I'm not talking about that WHO.
I'm talking about the bad WHO, the World Health Organization.
And Japan said, no, we're out of this.
So everywhere around the world, we're seeing massive Push back against these tyrants, and it's a good thing.
steve bannon
Schweikert's been on this show, been on The Old Breitbart Show for 12 years now.
He's been waiting for that moment to get that in there, because he's a rock and roller at heart.
Before I let you go, Dr. Schweikert, talk about the book, because you're one of the great historians out there.
You're also one of the best guys looking at polls and looking at trends and looking at the math.
Tell me about Trump and actually at the state level.
You're seeing some positive trends here.
larry schweikart
Yeah, well, Trump is just surging everywhere.
Again, that's why we are seeing the news about Sam Alito's flag, about the dust-up between Marjorie Taylor Greene and AOC.
By the way, as a historian, I do have to inform you that in 1836 there was a fight on the Arkansas House floor in which two guys squared off with Bowie knives and one of them was left gutted on the floor.
So we aren't anywhere near that spot yet.
But the reason you're seeing all this other news is to detract or distract from Trump's incredible growing poll leads.
I don't read our side.
We got a lot of doomers on our side.
I tend to read the liberals like Rudy Tichera and James Carville, Mark Penn, Stan Greenberg.
All these guys are in a panic.
They're saying that Biden's already lost the working class and of all colors, and it's getting worse.
But what we aren't seeing is a major surge in a lot of the state-level Republican politicians like Bernie Moreno in Ohio or Kerry Lake in Arizona.
I think the sheehy in Montana has closed the gap and may even be ahead now.
But one of the reasons for this is that it's a two-step process.
People trust Trump, but they don't yet trust the Republican Party because they've been stabbed in the back for so long, especially this vote two weeks ago about the Ukraine, right?
steve bannon
Amen.
Dr. Schweiker, the book is amazing.
It's a great primer on where the world is today.
Where can everybody go to that, and where can everybody go to your history site and social media?
Dr. Schweiker's got amazing analysis up there about polls all the time, so you want to be on top of what he's saying.
Where'd they go?
larry schweikart
Okay, so I've got a history site, The Wild World of History, where you can get a full curriculum in U.S.
and world history for high schoolers, homeschoolers.
And I've got a political site, The Wild World of Politics, where I give my more acerbic and inflammatory political views.
And, of course, our book is A Patriot's History of Globalism, Its Rise and Decline.
And, boy, it is so timely.
You've got to get this one.
steve bannon
Timely.
It is timely.
Dr. Schweiker, thank you for coming on here, man.
He's got—he's a five-tool player, as they say in baseball.
Do you agree with Schweikert that the polling shows that, one, number one, the Democrats are losing the working class, and it's multiethnic, it's multiracial, right?
This is now—people are focused on how the middle class and working class have been screwed.
But also, there is a gap between some of these Senate candidates, even in some of the House, that people are—this new coalition trusts Trump.
But they don't transfer that trust right now to the Republican Party or Republican candidates.
raheem kassam
And why would you?
I was talking about this last night with somebody, which we should have to get into last night, by the way.
But, you know, look at the caucus, right?
And look at what the caucus tries to represent.
Unfortunately, I still live on the Hill.
You have to deal with these people and their staffers all day, every day.
And even things that to this audience are obvious, Right?
Like, hey, maybe we don't want to get into World War 3.
Right, right.
Hey, maybe the eradication of the human species for Kharkov is not a good thing.
Right?
You still actually have to argue with Republicans on the Hill.
steve bannon
Oh, all the time.
That's the hardest argument.
Yes, no.
unidentified
Red.
raheem kassam
About this stuff.
steve bannon
Why is that?
Well, they are obsessed with this neocon policy and they're really obsessed.
More than Israel.
People say, oh, neocon Israel.
It pales in comparison to Ukraine.
Ukraine is a fetish, right?
Ukraine, I'm talking about from the republic, the Democrats forget it.
You know why.
The guys that support the Bolsheviks, they hate the Russian people.
They hate the fact that the Russian people are not atheists.
raheem kassam
I think we said this at the beginning of the war, right?
I think you asked me, you know, what has led us here?
And the answer is flippant in a lot of ways.
It's they needed another Iraq without brown people.
And by they, I mean the defense lobby.
Right, it's that and everybody's gotten rich off General Dynamics and so on and so forth.
And the perpetual nature of that industry and its lobbying interests in DC is kind of one of the biggest things about the populist movement and how the populist left and populist right unite around this issue is get all of those, if you've got all of those defense lobbyists and appropriators and all of that, if you've got them out of DC or you limited their access or you limited their ability to spend cash, To buy up the private room at Cafe Milano and to do all of those things.
If you even just limited that, America would find itself losing fewer of its children to bloody wars abroad.
steve bannon
Okay?
Ben Hardwell, the parents in Ukraine know what Rahim's talking about.
They're the ones that don't want their sons and daughters to go into the Toronto house, correct?
Can you give us updates?
Is Kharkiv on the eve of falling yet, sir?
ben harnwell
It's still on the verge of falling, Steve.
Good morning to you.
Morning, Raheem.
The big story that I'm following right now is a follow on from what we covered on the show yesterday.
General Charles Q.
Excuse me, General Brown, Charlie Brown, in fact, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an interview on an airplane to Brussels, to the NATO headquarters yesterday, contradicting the official Biden administration line, said that we'll get there eventually, which is, say, NATO presence, American presence in Ukraine.
unidentified
This was with regards to the... This is the combat, this is the troops, yes.
steve bannon
150,000 quote-unquote trainers, yep.
ben harnwell
There's more on that story that's come out, and that was in the New York Times yesterday.
There's more now in the Wall Street Journal.
And that is, he said, that General Brown said that Ukraine has formally asked for US help in striking targets inside deep inside the Russian border.
Now, formally, officially, this has always been a big no-no from behalf of the Biden administration.
However, what General Brown said seems to be corroborated by something
Anthony Blinken said just last week.
He said, and listen to this, Steve, because I think the duplicitousness here
in the Secretary of State's response, a deflection to a journalist's question,
is very, very illustrative.
He said, we have not encouraged or enabled strikes outside Ukraine, but ultimately,
Ukraine has to make decisions for itself about how it's going to conduct this war.
That is a flat-out lie.
The official U.S.
position here, the Biden administration position, is Ukraine cannot use the armaments that the U.S.
is providing to Ukraine to strike inside Russian territory.
This position here, that Ukraine has to decide for itself, can only be an invitation, basically on behalf of Ukraine, to drag the United States into war.
steve bannon
Hang on one second, I'll hold you through the break.
You have now 150,000, they're talking about 150,000 NATO troops as trainers, just like in Vietnam.
Now you've got the Wall Street Journal and the story that Ben and I talked about overnight, saying to target inside of Russia.
We are so rapidly heading towards, and we now know from their Justice Minister, a hundred billion, hundreds of billions of dollars to get to victory.
Give me 30 seconds before we go to break.
Where are we on this?
raheem kassam
Well, where we are is that we're looking for peace, right?
We're looking to January.
In fact, if you listen to what President Trump said yesterday, not even have to get as far as January to get that peace accord going, while the defense lobbyists, the neocons, and the current prevailing establishment are looking to escalate this war.
I said it when it first broke out.
This, for them, is a 20-year endeavor.
steve bannon
Short break.
Rahim and Ben next.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bowne.
steve bannon
You heard Dr. Schweikert right there about how President Trump's starting to get a spread.
Remember, it's all about turnout, and we've got to stop this deal.
There's so much development out of Wisconsin.
Mike Lindell's going to join us in a moment.
He was there with the President last night.
The President's speech was another barn burner.
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Rahim, I don't know if we can wait till, if you listen to Harnwell and the analysis he's doing,
we are rapidly being pulled into this thing.
It's almost like they want to de-Trumpify the second term and get us so far into it that not even Trump can get us
raheem kassam
out.
Yeah, I'm not sure that scenario actually exists.
I do think they think it exists.
steve bannon
What do you mean, what do you mean they think it exists, but it doesn't exist?
What do you mean by that?
You don't think they can get the combat troops in there, the trainers, and get guys shot and then call Article 5, or they start targeting into Russia and all of a sudden the Russians going, hey dude, you're targeting, it's your weapons, it's your ties, and you've got guys working the missiles, you're at war with us.
raheem kassam
By the way, Article 5 is wildly misinterpreted.
Article 5 does not require an immediate weapons-based response.
unidentified
Well, I agree with you technically, but you think that they'll argue that?
raheem kassam
They'll argue it for sure, but I'm saying like in reality, right, the steps can still be taken no matter how far these people want to push into a third world war.
We can stop it.
It can be stopped.
It must be stopped.
And arguably, you know, they say we should expend Any resources necessary to free Ukraine from this war?
No.
We must expend any resources necessary to stop World War III, is the actual point here.
And here's the thing, okay, so ten years ago I was in Kiev, I saw what I saw on the ground, I saw the NGO class, I saw the... Hang on, he was working for me at Breitbart, and you say, hey, I gotta go there, it's gonna be the future... You haven't started paying me yet, by the way.
unidentified
It's gonna be the future... No, I think you have... I said...
steve bannon
I said, what are you going to Ukraine for?
Who cares?
We fought over that in World War II.
It's history.
He said, no.
You do not understand that the EU, the guys in D.C., Victoria Nuland, people you'd never heard of, they are back at this, and this thing is going to drive the future of modern politics.
And sir, to a large extent, you were right.
raheem kassam
Yeah, I mean, at the time, the lens was this is their way of trying to stop a Russian resurgence, right, and Russian influence in the region.
And, you know, you can understand if you are an interventionist power, if you can understand if you are NATO, that you are necessarily perturbed by nations in the Russian orbit having pro-Russian prime ministers and so on and so forth.
But so what do they do is they did a coup.
They didn't open Outright coup.
The likes of which I thought had been consigned to the history books, quite frankly.
I mean, I thought, especially after what we had seen during the so-called Arab Spring, which, by the way, isn't it wonderful that we've got all these flourishing democracies in the Middle East now?
Fantastic.
The Ukraine overthrow of that, and I know you've been through it like a million times, but seeing it on the ground was really something else.
I mean, I was talking to... I mean, it was freezing cold, by the way.
You had to walk around Well, by the way, I do this everywhere.
About to walk around with a flask full of whiskey, just to take nips to keep warm.
I had three, four layers on, big leather jacket over.
And every sort of 50 yards that you're walking around, you'd have a trash can on fire.
And people just huddled around it because it was so freezing cold out there.
And you got to talking to people that way.
And I talked to so many Ukrainians who were pro the overthrow of the pro-Russian regime, right?
But who are these people?
These are NGO operatives, Brussels-funded in large part, and neo-Nazis in large part.
I mean, they were so neo-Nazi in large part that they were like openly joking about it with us and trying to intimidate us in a little bit of a jocular manner.
But listen, so we did that, called that.
We've called everything up until this point.
I'm going to call something else for you here right now.
Ukraine, the plan, what's the plan for the future of Ukraine?
Because clearly the plan isn't to keep young Ukrainian men alive to rebuild the nation after all of this is said and done.
steve bannon
And I think their parents understand that.
That's already getting them the hell out of Ukraine.
raheem kassam
There's nothing left.
So who do you think they intend to import into Ukraine to rebuild the country?
If I can put it so bluntly, Ukraine will be the first African nation in Europe in 10 to 15 years time, if this thing continues the way it is.
They're going to mass import, they've got a base for mass migration like you've never seen before and they have a, you know, a moral imperative for it as well.
unidentified
We have to rebuild, of course, we need all these people, bring them in there.
steve bannon
Well, just like here in the United States, they're arguing that the illegal alien invasion
is what's keeping the economy even going.
Ben Harnwell, your thoughts?
You've covered this.
You and Rahim have been dead right on everything about this since the month before the war
when you guys called the shots.
Your current assessments are since we had an assassination—they're trying to do
the guns of August this week with the assassination attempt.
ben harnwell
Well, listening to Rahim talking about Ukraine as being the first African nation in 10 to
15 years time in mainland Europe is an interesting proposition.
However, my direct experience of the Africans who are coming into this continent illegally, not legal workers, but illegally, is that they're not coming here to work and they're certainly not coming to rebuild Ukraine.
They're coming here to live at existing indigenous taxpayers' expense.
raheem kassam
You know, I thought I was being spicy.
ben harnwell
And obviously to vote left-wing in whichever nation-state that they're coming in.
It's a due-fold purpose.
Unless they're actually going to be physically put in cages and taken against their will to Ukraine with whips cracking over their heads, told to work and to construct, they ain't going to Ukraine.
But it's an interesting problem.
It's an interesting regime.
unidentified
It's an edgy solution to a Europe-wide problem.
steve bannon
But his point, we're going to go to break and I want you guys to stick, but the point is the parents in Ukraine, what's obvious right now in all of this, is that the manpower to fight the war in Ukraine from the Ukrainians, and hey, these people have been brave, they've been courageous, but the parents are making a rational choice here.
And they're saying, yes, there's not going to be anything left to build over and I'm not going to throw my son and daughter Yeah.
This is why, for people making $900 a month, they're paying $5,000 and $10,000 to get their kids out, to get their kids to Ireland, to get their kids to Holland.
And you're seeing a big blowback there now in those countries, right?
And some of the frontline nations.
But the point is, this is all driven by the fact that the people that have the most at stake Understand the corruption and understand the con, and that's why they're voting right now to do it.
Just hold on, guys.
We're gonna be jammed in a second hour, but I gotta finish this.
raheem kassam
Ukraine is... As a cliffhanger, Ben, I'll tell you why I'm right after the break.
steve bannon
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