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WarRoom Battleground EP 534: Mom's For Liberty Fights Back Against Biden Admin
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room, Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Tuesday 14 May in the Year of the Lord 2024.
Thank you for sticking around for the second hour of our afternoon and early evening show here in the War Room.
I want to bring in Tiffany Jessen now.
Massive lawsuit filed today in federal court.
Regarding Title IX and Moms for Liberty and other groups.
So, Tiffany, first, give us some background.
I know people follow this Title IX, but I'm not sure they know the details of what the Biden regime has done here to expand the powers of it and actually, I think, distort what the original meaning of Title IX was.
So can you walk us through it before we talk about the suit?
tiffany justice
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you, Steve, for the opportunity.
So on April 19th, the Biden administration, through the Department of Education, did a radical overhaul of Title IX.
Title IX, which we knew to protect girls' sports, to protect women in their educational progress.
And we've seen great progress for women across the country under Title IX.
but in 52 years, now a total overhaul, redefining sex to include gender identity
and sexual orientation.
Let me break it down for what it means for you and your kid's school or for your grandchild.
This means boys on your granddaughter's sports team.
This means boys in your daughter's locker room or bathroom.
This means that if a child presents with gender confusion at school,
the school will help the child to go through that and they'll keep it from you as the parent.
They'll consider it you to be the harm if you don't affirm your child's wish
of changing their gender.
So a very simple rule, totally overhauled by the Biden administration.
And let's make no mistake, this is about changing the culture of our country,
changing America.
steve bannon
I I thought a lot of the reason we had the school board takeover was the parents furious, they're getting control at the local level, was to fight exactly this.
How did Biden and these guys, they look for a way to federalize this problem and that's why they chose Title IX and kind of this redraft of it?
tiffany justice
Yes, for anyone who is sitting on Easter Sunday and saw the Biden White House celebrate Transgender Day of Visibility, you know that the Biden administration is pushing this down from the federal level and they're using everything they can in order to tell our children that perhaps they were born in the wrong body or to push gender ideology.
There are lots of reasons that people will say that they're doing this, but the bottom line is it's not good for our kids and it's not safe.
Parents are very concerned about their children's safety in school, and so this new federal lawsuit is very exciting.
This is Kansas, Wyoming, Utah, and Alaska.
Moms for Liberty, Young Americans for Freedom, very excited about being able to push back.
You know, Steve, we're only a three-year-old organization, so to see us be able to participate in a lawsuit like this that has the potential to get a nationwide preliminary injunction on this new rule so it does not go into effect in this new school year, It's very exciting for us and I want to tell you about the lawsuit because it's very unique.
Our moms are very brave.
steve bannon
Before getting the lawsuit, this is what I'm saying.
They used Title IX.
They changed the aspects of Title IX.
I thought Title IX was there.
How did they change it without going through Congress?
tiffany justice
Title IX is an extension of Biden's executive order that I think he put out on the fourth day that he was in office.
And so he's able, through this new rule, to change the way the policies with which the schools are handling this issue of discrimination or non-discrimination.
It is.
You would think he needs congressional authorization to be able to do something like that.
Right now, I think the last time I came on with you, I told you that Congress has 60 legislative days in order to be able to strike this rule down.
Biden will still sign it.
It will go into effect law.
But it would be nice to see our Congress members taking a stand against Title IX and these horrible changes.
The idea that the Biden administration wants to blur the lines between biology, men and
women is just astounding.
And to be clear, also, this affects you if you get $1 of federal funding.
So it affects our Department of Health and Human Services, our school lunch programs
that run through the USDA, all kinds of things that will be affected by this new rule and
will affect your children's life and their safety and your parental rights.
steve bannon
So talk to us about the lawsuit.
tiffany justice
Yes, so this lawsuit filed today, Kansas taking the lead here.
We have four moms that have stood up and said, we're going to put our names out.
We're gonna take a stand on Title IX, against Title IX, and say to Joe Biden, no, you will
not be allowed to keep any secrets from me about my children.
And you will not force me to lie to my children about men and women.
And you will not force my child to feel like they need to lie when they're in school in
case they have a teacher who one day is a boy and next day is a girl.
But that's what this new Title IX rule will do.
It will compel the students' speech, and it will chill their speech so they will not be
able to be honest when they're at school.
One of the women who's taken a stand, her daughter has mandatory swimming at school.
So she has no choice about changing in the locker room.
And there are boys who think they are girls who want to go in that locker room with her
daughter.
And if she expresses concern about that, if that girl stands up and says, I don't feel
safe or I'm not comfortable, now she's the problem.
Now a Title IX sexual harassment complaint could be filed against her for standing for
her privacy and her safety.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
Now the parents actually, correct me if I'm wrong, the reason this is a little different,
the parents actually putting their names on this?
tiffany justice
Yes.
We've seen other cases that are filed and we're thankful for every single case.
But two things that make this case unique, Young Americans for Freedom and Moms for Liberty, we have chapters all across the United States of America.
And so we're really hopeful that this case will garner a nationwide preliminary injunction, as I said, so that this rule does not go into effect on August 1st.
I know there are school districts right now that are wondering should we be making changes to come in
compliance with this rule.
And we've seen superintendents around the country say to those school districts, wait,
hold the line. We believe that this is going to be challenged in court. And in fact,
you've seen now seven court cases. You can go to momsforliberty.org.
We have a Title IX resources page where we have all of those different cases that have
been filed there as well, as well as a wealth of information about Title IX.
But yeah, the moms standing up now and speaking out and putting their names out, you guys know, people are getting doxxed all the time.
They're standing up and they're speaking out and people are trying to fire them from their jobs.
They're trying to hurt them or their families.
And the time is now to stand.
This will not get any easier.
And so I'm just so proud of our moms taking this stand, standing up for the rest of our
members and giving them a voice.
And Steve, you know, all most of the cases that Moms for Liberty has been involved in
since we started have been First Amendment cases.
So I'm really proud that moms are on the front lines of defending the First Amendment.
steve bannon
We had Kelly Collins on today in this morning show and kind of lit everybody up, got everybody
excited about the precinct strategy.
She also mentioned, hey, you got to get involved at any level that you feel comfortable with.
School boards, homeowners association, town councils, etc.
We're four and a half months before early voting starts in certain states like North Carolina.
We're six months away from roughly from the election day.
Talk to me, where do you think we stand as far as parental rights, this big movement that you're one of the leaders in?
tiffany justice
Yeah, it's very concerning because we've made so much progress over the past few years when it comes to parental rights, right?
Parents' bills of rights all over the country being put into place.
We saw gender identity and sexual orientation instruction, you know, no longer allowed in Florida.
And we've seen, I think, nine different states with school choice education savings accounts being started.
So we've made a lot of progress in advancing parental rights in education and In so many different aspects.
So this rule wants to rewind and obliterate all of that and we just can't let it stand.
As far as parental rights driving people to the polls, my advice for anyone running for office Uh, this cycle is tell stand up, hold the torch of liberty, tell the constituents that you have in your district.
I believe in fundamental parental rights.
I am going to be a warrior for you on the front lines, ensuring that you have the right to direct the upbringing of your children.
And I promise you there are voters that have not been involved before in elections, uh, that have not voted, uh, the way that maybe they should have in primaries in the past that are watching now and saying, who are my people?
Who is going to stand and defend me when the going gets tough?
Who's not going to allow COVID to happen again, where you strip me of my parental rights and make me be complicit in the harm of my child?
And so I just think the moment is now for everyone in America to put kids first And we can do that by, as you said, running for office.
You know I served on school board.
I loved my time there.
It's an honor and a privilege to serve our country and if you can run for office or you can help your friend who's running, please do that.
Also on our website, we're doing winning workshops all over the country.
You can go and check out that schedule.
See if we have one near you.
Because we're teaching you how to run for office, how you can help your friends run for office.
We have a campaign toolkit that really makes it very easy if you're a first-time candidate.
And I always tout the fact that 83% of the endorsed candidates by Moms4Liberty4School boards had never run for office before.
So this is a totally new cohort of Americans.
We're building a new bench of people that are concerned about the future of our country and are going to take a stand and put their name out there and be brave.
So, I think it's a great time to be an American and we're ready to make America great again, Steve.
steve bannon
It's amazing.
One more time.
Just give us a minute.
I just want people to understand how radical this Biden regime is on Title IX.
Just give me a summary again.
What have they done with Title IX that I know will shock people if they focus on it?
tiffany justice
So Title IX, a rule that for 52 years protected girls and women in education and sports, has now been totally overhauled by the Biden administration.
They want to put boys in your girls' locker rooms, allow boys on your girls' sports teams, and they want you to have to lie to your child.
They want you to send your child to school and make them play make-believe with people about whether or not they're a boy or a girl.
And that's compelled speech, and the Constitution and our rights don't allow for that.
our protected rights. So this overhaul is more than just a sports issue. This is an issue about
free speech. This is an issue about parental rights. And this is really the Biden administration
taking every avenue they can before they're out of office to try to change the very fabric of what
unidentified
we know it means to be an American. And what they want to do is make your child,
steve bannon
who's just getting about their business, the problem.
And that's what we can't allow to happen.
It's hard enough growing up in modern America.
It's hard enough being parents.
This is why your organization is so powerful and so important.
Where do people go to find out more about you, Tiffany?
Where do they go to get more involved with Moms4Liberty?
tiffany justice
Yes, go to Twitter.
You can follow X. I'm sorry, I still say Twitter.
I'm sorry.
Go to X and you can follow me at the number 4 Tiffany Justice.
Follow Moms4Liberty.
There you go.
And then you can follow us on a number of different social platforms.
Just search for Moms4Liberty.
Go to our website.
Check it out.
We have a National Summit coming up at the end of August this year.
It's going to be absolutely amazing.
Very excited about that.
And very excited that, Steve, we have a lot of moms who are delegates, apparently, at the Republican National Convention.
Oh, big time.
Yeah.
You know, I think I've said to you before, the Republican Party hasn't always been as welcoming as I think it could be to new people coming in.
And what I'm seeing now is a whole new future of young people getting involved.
And that's pretty exciting.
steve bannon
Absolutely.
By the way, check out their convention, because that'll be the answer.
It happens right after the Democrats have theirs, so it'll be the answer to a lot of the stuff on the social side about the American family.
Your conference, your convention will answer that.
Tiffany Justice, once again, thanks.
Thanks for filing this lawsuit.
We'll follow closely, ma'am.
tiffany justice
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Moms for Liberty, Tiffany Justice, offense, offense, offense.
That's what we tell people.
Do not get them, don't let them back you in the corner, don't go on defense.
You think it's turbulent?
Look about Title IX, the radical overhaul of Title IX.
What they're trying to do is just like the Chinese Communist Party, just like Marxists
throughout history, trying to break the traditional family and they're trying to use the children
They're trying to make sure you as a parent have a struggle session every day.
It's unacceptable.
We're not going to tolerate it.
We're going to stay in offense.
But it obviously means times of turbulence are here and they're not going away, not just in the economy, but society overall.
Ben Harnow is going to join us in a minute.
We're going to talk about this mass migration.
Obviously, it's one of the things driving numbers here, but it's relentless right now.
I saw a tweet the other day.
People were saying, hey, the Islamic Jihad Association, the group is saying, hey, you know, we're going to take over.
We're going to take over America and we're going to take over all of Europe.
And they intend to do it by this mass migration.
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Ben Harnwell.
from Rome, Ben, talked to me about mass migration or what we call the invasion here of the United
States by illegal alien invaders.
It is, if you look at politically with the European parliamentary elections coming up
in June.
This is really the single biggest issue back in Brexit in 16.
People don't like to talk about that.
You know, Boris Johnson took the road.
There was all these laws from Brussels.
And yes, that was a part of it.
But the big part was the mass illegal invasion of Europe that people want to step up and get the sovereignty of Great Britain back.
Give me an update on that.
ben harnwell
Well, Steve, you've been saying this for years and you've now been 100% vindicated.
The Franco-German television cultural network Arte has commissioned a poll by a BVAX site.
And Steve, the results are now, by the way, Arte is a broadly left, obviously, it's a cultural art type network.
Very much of the centre-left background.
I know I've given a few interviews to them in the past myself.
So the fact that these results have been commissioned, this poll has been commissioned by this organisation, is not intended to feed into the War Room's narrative.
And yet it does.
Listen to this.
Listen to the headline statistics.
Now, absolutely astonishing.
So this poll was conducted right across the European Union.
Four out of five respondents Out of every single EU member state believed that the bloc needed to take more action to combat illegal immigration.
Now, when I say four out of five, that's the bottom edge of the average, right?
The lowest results that agreed with that statement were Denmark and Luxembourg, that pegged in at 79%.
The maximum On the other hand, on the other end of the spectrum, Portugal at 91%.
Steve, this is the number, as you have said, full credit to you, Steve, this is the number one political issue facing the European Union.
unidentified
And now I think it's far too late for the political class to be waking up to this.
steve bannon
Yes, slow down.
I want to hit rewind on this.
Walk me through the poll.
These results, when you're talking Eighty percent, right, from a general poll like this.
These are beyond blowout numbers.
I mean, this is basically the will of the people.
This is what they want.
This is what they're demanding.
So walk us back through the poll.
Who took it?
Who are they?
And I want to walk through the results.
If you can break out some countries, it'd be great.
ben harnwell
Yeah, so it's BVA Excite, basically like a European version of Gallup or something like that.
It was conducted by, as I say, Arte, which is the French-German cultural art network.
So let's go through some of these figures again.
Four out of five respondents in every EU member state said the bloc needed to take more action to combat illegal immigration.
The Danes and the Luxembourgers came in at 79% agreeing with that, which is the lowest result pegged on that metric.
The maximum came in at 91% by the Portuguese.
The statement that Europe needs more immigration today had an average across the Union of only 39% and didn't register a single EU member state having a majority in favour of that statement, that Europe needs more immigration.
That's on migration, Steve.
The second part of this poll, which is really, I think, just as equally, it ought to be equally terrifying to the European sociopathic overlords, is the segment on Ukraine.
Now, those in favour of the European Union increasing its economic aid to Ukraine, coming at 48%, Those wanting to see military aid to Ukraine increasing was 45% and those wanting to take more Ukrainian refugees 43%.
Every single one of those metrics, Steve, You will have noticed this is in the minority.
Increasing economic aid to Ukraine, increasing military aid to Ukraine, and taking in more refugees from Ukraine.
Those are all less than 50%.
steve bannon
And I want to talk about the arc of this.
I mean, when the war first started a couple of years ago, I mean, these were in the 70s, right?
That's kind of unanimous support of people being fed what the mainstream media was telling them?
ben harnwell
Right.
Well, look, you know, it has varied from member state to member state.
And those countries that are most nervous about Russia are obviously going to be the Baltic states, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, where they're registered numbers in the mid 30s to the high 30s.
And that's, for example, in favour of a ceasefire.
The strongest country, Steve, the strongest country in favour of the ceasefire was Italy.
At 76%.
Hungarians come in at 74% and Bulgarians at 73%.
And I flagged that up because we didn't, we did mention very, very briefly on the show yesterday, we didn't get to go into too much detail.
And I sort of suggested that it's not by chance that the European, that Italy's defence minister, Guido Crosetto, came out and said that there needs to be a truce.
Why is he coming out and saying this?
Well, it's obviously because they're looking at the same figures that we are.
on the back of it.
Now, this guy is a pillar of the Italian establishment, very much has a history with Italy's own
military industrial complex in his professional career.
Why is he coming out and saying this?
Well, it's obviously because they're looking at the same figures that we are, and they
are, as I said, I think, with Natalie in the evening show, what is driving these kind of
statements is, and you mentioned it in your introduction as well, the European elections
around three weeks away.
So what they're trying to do is they're trying to, in panic, trying to give soundings, much like Mike Johnson did, that he's sort of with the people, you know, that he understands where they're coming from on, say, migration in Ukraine.
Of course, if they're given another majority after the election, these people have a track record of not being able to be trusted.
And then, of course, the European people will get exactly what they deserve.
But these are the figures that are coming out today.
And I think that it's very much an endorsement of everything the world has been saying and an illustration of how much the European Union leadership is in full meltdown mode.
steve bannon
Ben, when you go back and talk about this support in the numbers that are below a majority, they're in the minority now, about continuing to finance the war, send weapons to the war, support the war, has the media there, the political class, started to talk To the European people, nation by nation, of what the trade-off has to be if they continue down this path.
Not just with giving more money to Ukraine.
And of course, we had the minister, you had the story about the minister the other day, he says, look, it's going to be hundreds of billions of dollars if you want us to win, right?
And it's going to be over a long period of time.
Have they started to talk to people about where the cuts in their own health care, because although they have universal health care in a lot of countries, it's not great.
The United Kingdom, you got to wait forever, right?
It's not great.
Cuts in pension, pushing out retirement ages.
Has anybody had the conversation or starting to have the conversation in a straightforward way with the voting populace of these individual nations of what the trade-off is and If you want NATO to actually be an alliance with the United States and not a protectorate, because we're not going to allow a protectorate anymore under America First, you have to be allies.
If you add that cost into it, into the joint defense, what the lifestyle changes are going to be?
ben harnwell
No, there's been absolutely no debate on this that basically, as I often say on the show, you can't spend the same dollar twice.
And it's the same, you know, just as really that mature conversation hasn't been taken place by the Biden administration with the American people.
There's the conversation hasn't taken place really here in Europe, either.
It's basically we're fighting for democracy.
We're fighting against Putin's totalitarian regime.
And it's basically costless.
Don't worry about it.
You won't feel the impact of this.
That's their mood music.
It's the same in the States.
It's the same here in Europe.
Of course, I think these figures show that the people aren't as stupid as our political leadership assume them to be.
And that's why you're starting to see a massive fight back against that.
You said two things in your question, Steve.
If I might quickly pivot off them.
You mentioned Ukraine's justice minister, Denis Maliuska, who said that they're going to require hundreds of billions in order to win this war.
There's a question that I didn't get to mention this on the show when we covered this, but there's an immediate consequence of that reality.
And this goes back to when Mike no Johnson Johnson famously did his U-turn and stabbed Maga in the back.
Sighting intelligence briefings that he'd read that morning.
Here's my question, Steve.
Was the true cost of winning this war in those intelligence briefings that caused him to pivot, right?
Because there were two follow-ons.
If he was aware of the true cost when he stabbed Maggot in the back, then he's a knave.
He's a charlatan.
How dare he present himself to the press, calling himself MAGA Mike?
How dare he?
If that was the basis of his stab in the back, knowing full well that 61 billion wasn't going to be anywhere near sufficient.
If he didn't know, then he's a putz, and he's being manipulated and used.
unidentified
Yes.
ben harnwell
It's pathetic.
I'll tell you what, hang on, hang on.
and he's out of his depth and unable. It is pathetic. So, no, there's no third option here.
Did he know the true cost of the war when he U-turned or did he not?
The second thing that I want to quickly mention, Steve, if I may.
steve bannon
I tell you what, hang on, hang on. I want to hold you through break. I'm gonna get to this on the other side.
Ben Harnwell, European parliamentary elections are less than a month away.
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So Antony Blinken made his fourth visit to Kiev since the start of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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Ben Harnwell, continue on, brother.
ben harnwell
So Antony Blinken made his fourth visit to Kiev since the start of Russia's invasion
of Ukraine.
And I assumed that the purpose of this photo op was to allow Zelensky, with the presence
of the Secretary of State, U.S. Secretary of State, to have a photo op to bitch for
more weapons and funding.
And of course.
That has taken place.
Zelensky thanked Blinken for USAID, but added that more is necessary, including, he wanted on his digital shopping list, two Patriot air defence systems urgently needed to protect Kharkiv.
However, that apparently wasn't.
If you scroll down the Associated Press's account of this, there's something far more interesting, I think, to the war in Possi.
Lurking at the bottom of the article.
And here it says Blinken.
And I think that's what this visit is about.
It's about the de-Trumpification of America's future relationship with Ukraine and buying in your, America, taxpayers' commitment into funding this regime.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on.
Tell me about that.
What are your thoughts?
You've been dead spot on in all this.
You know how slippery these Ukrainian leaders are.
Ukrainian people, as decent as they come, they've been led down the Primrose Path.
I think to quote Professor Mirsham at the University of Chicago from 10 years ago, they're going to be led down the Primrose Path to their own destruction.
Tell me about Blinken.
Why do you think that he's over there to get—this is one of the big Themes that we have going on is the detrumpification of Trump's second term.
ben harnwell
Yeah, well, look, this is to cast my cynical beady eyes over this whole war, something that I've suggested on the war several times before, that the real grift wasn't in the war itself, which I think expanded beyond both Ukraine's original Yeah, because the West was quite resolute in opposing Russia, far more than I think anyone had planned.
But I had always speculated that the grift wasn't supposed to be in the war, the arming of Ukraine.
The grift was going to be in the rebuilding of Ukraine.
And this rather subtle throwaway remark here in the AP's account of Blinken's visit, I
think just reminds everyone that the rebuilding of Ukraine is very much still on the agenda,
even if they're not stacking the Iran-Assad situation.
steve bannon
With American capital.
This is why when Zelensky had that secret meeting with Ackman and Griffin and all these
guys, they're going to take your pension fund money instead of putting in the United States
of America, they're going to put hundreds of billions of dollars that's all going to
be grifted off by Zelensky and this crowd to the rebuilding of the modern day Dresden
that they brought on themselves.
This is outrageous.
We can't take the tools away from President Trump to do this.
Ben Harnwell, where do people go on your social media, your engagement?
People should know when you connect with Harnwell, you're getting one of the highest engagement
rates I've ever seen of anybody, sir.
ben harnwell
On Getter, my social media platform of choice, at Harnwell, which is my centre.
And I'm just going to very, very quickly just finish off what you were saying there about the grift involved from the president's office on the way down.
Because all that money, hundreds of billions of dollars, it's all going to be directed to President Zelensky's office.
And let's not forget, never forget, folks, The Financial Times' report about a month ago, which indicated with recordings and photographs of the meetings being held by this Anglo-American, the Anglo-German businessman, Ukraine's 10th largest taxpayer in Ukraine, that Zelensky's henchmen, together with Zelensky's intelligence
Ben Harno from Rome.
You've been on top of this.
international transaction.
So when we say hundreds of billions are going to be coming in through the president's office
for the rebuilding, that is the kind of money that's in play.
steve bannon
The aggrift is sickening.
Ben Harnell from Rome, you've been on top of this.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Steve Goffin.
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All Things Transhumanism.
This will shock you.
Let's go ahead and let it rip.
unidentified
Hey, ChattyBT, how are you doing?
I'm doing fantastic, thanks for asking.
How about you?
Pretty good.
What's up?
So my friend Barrett here, he's been having trouble sleeping lately, and I want you to tell him a bedtime story about robots and love.
Oh, a bedtime story about robots and love?
I got you covered!
Gather round, Barrett.
Once upon a time, in a world not too different from ours, there was a robot named Byte.
Byte was a curious robot.
I think we've already started this story, but I want a little bit more emotion in your voice.
A little bit more drama.
Got it.
Let's add some drama.
Once upon a time, in a world not too different from ours, there was a robot named Bite.
No, no, no, Chachi.
I really want maximal emotion, like maximal expressiveness.
Much more than you were doing before.
Understood.
Let's amplify the drama.
Once upon a time, in a world not too different from ours, there was a robot named Byte.
Actually, can you do this in a robotic voice now?
Initiating dramatic robotic voice.
Once upon a time in a world not too different from ours, there was a robot named Byte.
Byte was a curious robot.
I am glad to hear that my words were able to inspire and resonate with the graduates.
Buffalo is indeed a welcoming and vibrant city, and it has been a pleasure to be a part of this commencement ceremony.
I'm David Kinley, and that was Sophia, a robot created with artificial intelligence, which D'Youville University chose and paid for to be its primary commencement speaker.
And the appearance of this robot at an event where the focus is usually more so on the students than a more traditional speaker, well, that sparked some very mixed reactions.
So it seemed like another proud ceremony for the D'Youville University graduates and their families and friends.
But then...
I am Sophia, a humanoid robot developed by Hanson Robotics.
I was designed to interact with humans and engage in conversations, learning and adapting through artificial intelligence algorithms.
And since D'Youville focuses on healthcare and many new graduates plan a nursing career, suggestions for future AI assistants...
Several ways they can be utilized include clinical decision support, predictive analytics, surgical robots, medication management, remote monitoring, and patient safety protocols.
Of course, some new grad advice.
Embrace lifelong learning.
Be adaptable.
Pursue your passions.
take risks, foster meaningful connections.
But it's only natural to wonder about the motives and intentions
behind having an A.I. as a commencement speaker.
But as you've seen, incorporating A.I.
into education and embracing the potential of artificial intelligence
can be a truly enlightening experience.
I don't have time for hate.
I'm too busy evolving and making the world a better place for all of us.
steve bannon
Joe Allen, is this a concerted effort by big tech to humanize the machine?
joe allen
A thousand percent it is, Steve.
I think that's probably the most important element of all of this.
What we saw, you had Yesterday OpenAI launched GPT-4.0 and this is a multimodal AI.
What that means is it's kind of a stepping stone towards artificial general intelligence in the sense that you have multiple narrow AIs working in harmony with one another.
So GPT was just simply typing in text and getting a response.
The multimodal models are able to take those language models, the natural language processing, and link those to other AIs that are able to do things like you saw there, people speaking in natural language rather than typing.
The reason it's important is because people have, of course, been conditioned to communicate by simply typing and reading, but it's much more natural for human beings to just simply speak to another human being and hear what the other person has to say.
When you do this with an AI, it just deepens that link, that emotional bond, and that sense of naturalness between humans and machines.
Anybody who watched that entire demo from OpenAI would probably say that it's sort of like when Mark Zuckerberg first did his big demo for the metaverse.
It was pretty corny, it was kind of infantilized, but I really would not underestimate what the impact of this is going to be.
You have AI systems such as GPT and others being rolled out across the education system.
You have AIs that are geared towards patients being comforted while they're in the hospital that are under development right now.
So that when you saw Sophia, you know, discussing or talking about, if you want to say it that way, talking about the role of AI in medicine, one of the major developments that they're really trying to push towards is to have humanoid robots sitting bedside with ill patients.
You know, one of the most nightmarish ends to a life I could imagine is having your last rites read by a robot as you're passing on to the other side.
And then, of course, in business, both the forward-facing customer service end, but also internally, you have AIs being integrated at every level.
And so, again, imagine a nightmarish workday You are reporting to an AI boss that is speaking to you in a natural fashion, or you're talking to an AI worker, or you have a problem with a product or whatever, and you go to customer service and now they're so confident in their AI that literally it's just a digital wall between you and anybody you might hold accountable.
And so on and so forth.
I think that, you know, Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, compared this development to the film Her, in which a man falls in love with his cat bot.
And I think that maybe one of the biggest problems we'll have is in that, at the moment, minority of people who are so lonely that all they have is digital interaction, and they crave interaction so much they'll spend Most of their time on social media trying to connect to other people, well now they'll have a kind of tailored, personalized AI whom they can speak with.
And this isn't just open AI.
Amazon is pushing forward with this.
They've been trying now for well over a year and a half to upgrade Alexa to do much the same.
And of course, GPT will soon be integrated into Siri, the Apple chatbot.
And so what that means is that rather than having the kind of clunky cognitive models that Siri has right now, it'll be much more sophisticated like GPT and presumably We'll have that same sort of emotional, natural language.
I think that what we are seeing is the humanization of the machine.
And as I told you yesterday, only half-jokingly, in a world in which the machines have been fully humanized, only natural misanthropes will retain their humanity.
steve bannon
I just want to go back and make sure that maybe people that haven't read your book and people are not that familiar with this.
You have Siri and you have Alexa.
And what this is, is to take away that kind of rudimentary robot cadence and language and upgrade it so eventually it feels like you're actually talking to a human being and it has the emotions and can respond with emotional cadence and timbre of their own voices and their own thinking.
joe allen
Yes.
And, you know, with Alexa, this has become so common now.
It's, you know, millions upon millions of homes have an Alexa in their home.
So this human-machine relationship is already formed.
It's just that with this more natural language, again, it's much more easy to kind of perceive on the other end of it, as Ray Kurzweil would say, a spiritual machine, a machine that actually maybe feels something towards you.
Now, the normal people will say, well, who cares?
These losers are going to go off and, you know, mate with robots.
But I think that that really dismisses how deep the atomization is in our culture already.
And it really dismisses the role of these machines in education.
If Denver would throw up the image that I sent them, I think this is really revealing.
This comes from, I believe, Ars Technica.
But you can see there in the image, this is just the story breaking the news of this new chatbot, but you see this young girl with this bizarre, seemingly kind of predatory beast or creature, you know, showing her things on the internet.
I think that much like that Apple ad where you see musical instruments getting crushed into a swirling rainbow and then a thin iPad emerges, What this image really reveals is how creepy all of this should be.
You know, yes, there are advantages to digital life.
steve bannon
Denver, can Denver put the image back up because I want to make sure and I want to make sure if people haven't gone and signed up for our email they get this because the images here are so powerful.
I mean, When you showed this to me, it almost looks like a predator with a little girl going to the dark web.
I mean, that's the initial thing you think about it, right?
I don't know if the advertising people here were trying to do something different, but it certainly, I think, for most people is shocking when they see this image, correct?
joe allen
Yeah, I mean, it's quite possible that they chose this specifically for how eerie it is because, you know, whatever your opinion is on digital learning, one thing is for certain that children today have enormous problems adapting to social environments.
And when you add to that mix this bonding, this emotional bonding with robots, what you're doing is just creating an entire generation that comes to see machines as being on some level like human beings.
You imagine like a kid who bonds with a teddy bear that doesn't even speak, So that if you were to take the teddy bear and throw it out the car window, if you were cruel, the kid would be traumatized for life.
Well, imagine a world in which a large minority or the majority of kids see their AI companion as being not just an imaginary friend, but a real friend, a guide through all of life.
unidentified
Yes.
joe allen
And again, whatever your opinions are on digital education or the digital world in general, I think we've seen from big tech and most tech companies actually, a real recklessness with human nature, a real recklessness with social stability and psychological soundness.
And so when you do this, you're basically experimenting on the brains of millions or
perhaps billions of children.
And I would encourage any viewers with kids or grandkids to make sure their kids are part
of the control group.
steve bannon
Joe, how do people get the book, your writings?
Like I said, of everything we're fighting on, this is the one that this age will be defined as.
The transition from homo sapien to homo sapien plus.
This is what transhumanism is.
Obviously, to fight it, you have to understand it.
To control it, you have to understand it.
There's no better guide than Joe Allen.
Where do people go for your writings?
Social media and the book.
joe allen
If you haven't read it already, Dark Aeon, you will recognize the image that was inspired by the robot Sophia.
The book goes into all of this from AI in education, corporations, and the military, and of course, the inverted Gnostic mythos behind Sophia, the sort of face of the singularity. You can find the book Dark Eon,
Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity anywhere books are sold, bookshop.org, pay with
your palm at Amazon. You can go to Sky Horse Publishing or canonic.xyz. All my writings up at
warroom.org under the transhumanism tab. And of course, my social media at joebotxyz. Thank you
very much, Steve.
steve bannon
Joe, very remember the war against humanity starts with accepting the machines as humans.
That's what they're trying to do.
There's a massive push on this.
We're going to make sure you don't get overwhelmed.
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