Jan. 6, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| Officer Fornone, you know, it's obviously been shocking to a lot of us, to a lot of Americans who agree, the vast majority, we should point out, agree January 6th was a terrible day. | ||
| We believe what we saw with our eyes that day, either in person for many people or on television, but also this narrative that's taken hold in certain quarters, among Trump supporters in particular, that it actually wasn't what we saw that day. | ||
| That's the one side of it. | ||
| The other side of it is you've had more than 1,200 people arrested. | ||
| The head of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers going to jail for a very long time. | ||
| More convictions to come. | ||
| Prosecutors say they're only about halfway done with the people they want to find. | ||
| So how do you feel three years on after January 6, 2021? | ||
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I mean, when you mention all those investigations, you know, the Department of Justice undertaking and, you know, prosecuting more than 1,200 Americans for their actions on January 6th. | |
| States now starting to debate and make an effort to remove Donald Trump from the ballot. | ||
| You know, all of those things I think are a good start. | ||
| necessary. I don't want to put too much stock into any one institution. I think it's an all-hands-on-deck effort to make sure that Donald Trump doesn't assume the presidency in 2024. We all know what that's gonna look like. He's told us as much. But I also, you know, I've got to point out some of the disappointments that I've had over the past three years. | ||
| And that's where is the outrage on behalf of the current administration? | ||
| You know, I give credit. | ||
| Joe Biden has given some fiery speeches with regards to MAGA and its effort to overturn a free and fair election. | ||
| But that's something that this country needs to hear every single day, specifically younger people, young voters. | ||
| When I go out and talk to them, they seem completely disillusioned with the political process. | ||
| And I think a lot of the problems that President Biden is dealing with now, the image problems, stem from being too soft. | ||
| You know, I I feel like Biden can be outraged, he can express anger without coming across as unhinged. | ||
| Like Donald Trump. | ||
| And I would like to see him fight for our democracy with the same tenacity that Donald Trump fights to destroy it. | ||
| And you may hear some of that from the president today in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, as he kind of launches that side of the campaign, which is this idea of defending our democracy. | ||
| I know you started off by saying you're surprised to be calling yourself a former Capitol Police officer. | ||
| You're also author of Standing My Ground, a book. | ||
| And we're keeping you on for a few more minutes because you have an announcement to make right here on Morning Joe. | ||
| What is it? | ||
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Yeah you know so it's so interesting like this whole process that where January 6th has taken this country and has taken me personally and one of the things that I've always said and tried to live by is a saying that says until there's nothing that can be done There's always something that can be done. | |
| And I feel like I've run my race with the Capitol Police and the last 15 plus years of public service in that capacity. | ||
| So here right now, I'm here to announce my candidacy for Congress in Maryland's 3rd District. | ||
| You know, I just want to continue. | ||
| What better way than to continue fighting for the people of Maryland, for the people of the United States, and to continue to defend democracy? | ||
| Because I think on January 6th it exposed, one, how weak and fragile that it is. | ||
| And I don't think it's an exaggeration. | ||
| To say it may sound scary, but we are one election away from the extinction of democracy as we know it. | ||
| I mean, Donald Trump said it himself that he is ready to be a dictator. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of his supporters will sit there and say, oh, he's just joking. | ||
| But how many times has he said the things that we thought were jokes that he actually did and took him seriously? | ||
| So right now I'm here to announce my candidacy to fight back and be able to push back against the people in Congress right now that I spent the last 15 years of my life Protecting. | ||
| And I want to serve as their equal, as their colleague. | ||
| I want a voice at the table, and I'm ready to, uh, for that challenge. | ||
| Have a quarter of Americans believing the following. | ||
| This is Richard Baum. | ||
| He's 61 year old. | ||
| He's an independent voter from Texas. | ||
| Yeah, he's Texas. | ||
| We know where he's gonna go. | ||
| The people who went there to express their views to support Trump were peaceful. | ||
| The government implants were the violent ones. | ||
| The FBI, the police people who were put in there, the Antifa and BLM hired by George Soros. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I mean, the thing is, is that that sounds mad, like madness to most people. | ||
| But that is the sign of a coalition that is absolutely solid behind Donald Trump, no matter what. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Biden's coalition isn't solid. | ||
| You don't have anyone out there making mad statements like that on his behalf. | ||
| How does he keep his very fractured coalition together? | ||
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Well, look, I think Stuart raised a really good point, which is, and you did too, which is that Trump has got this, you know, 35 to 40 percent of the electorate that is with him. | |
| Which means that, you know, President Biden has to work even, you know, that much harder to garner independence, to really rebuild the coalition, or even, like, build a new coalition compared to what we had in 2020. | ||
| I mean, Hillary's coalition was different in 2016 than Biden's, and so we'll see what it shapes out to be this time around. | ||
| But again, I think when you look at the fact that, you know, Molly just said the economy's getting better, inflation's going down, you know, the job numbers have been outstanding. | ||
| You combine that with the abortion issue, and again, with the fact that democracy is truly at has taken this election is truly under threat. | ||
| All of those issues I do believe as we get closer to the election will start to really gel in the minds of voters. | ||
| You haven't even really started a general election yet. | ||
| Yes, President Biden is going to be a Democratic nominee. | ||
| More than likely Trump's going to be the Republican nominee, but it's not definitive yet. | ||
| And you are seeing this in polling too, where a lot of voters are saying, I'm not really tuned in yet. | ||
| You know, I'm going to see who the Republican nominee is going to be. | ||
| I mean, once that actually is a head to head with Biden, Trump, I think the contrast is going to become more clear. | ||
| I think the minds of voters are going to be more made up to, you know, start to lean more into the good side of things, the pro-democracy, the pro-economy. | ||
| And as long as inflation keeps going down and interest rates go down, I think that's going to make a big difference. | ||
| I love your optimism. | ||
| The Valley Forge, P. Stewart, is significant because, of course, George Washington could have been a dictator. | ||
| The American public at that time revered him and would have allowed him to serve as many terms as he wanted. | ||
| We actually did have a president who served for life, FDR. | ||
| He served four terms until he literally was deceased. | ||
| And it was only after that that you had an amendment to the Constitution that limited the president to two terms. | ||
| It was always a tradition. | ||
| But it's a tradition that every president after, between George Washington and FDR, followed. | ||
| Donald Trump is the first president to refuse to leave office, right? | ||
| That's just a thing we haven't had before. | ||
| But here's another thing we haven't had before. | ||
| People who literally see something, or maybe we have, and just actually say they didn't see it. | ||
| Here's the percentage of Democrats who say that those who entered the Capitol were mostly violent. | ||
| 77% of Democrats. | ||
| I don't know about the other nearly quarter of them. | ||
| 18% of Republicans. | ||
| Only 54% of independents. | ||
| We're in an age of unreality, Stuart. | ||
| That's also what's different. | ||
| What do you expect President Biden should do about it? | ||
| And is there something he can say that might change that? | ||
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Look, I don't think there's anything you can say to those people. | |
| They don't believe that Joe Biden is a legal president. | ||
| You kind of have to wrap your mind around that construct. | ||
| So if you don't believe your president is a legal president, what can you say? | ||
| Well, you know, I did a good job on inflation, but I'm illegal. | ||
| These voters are unreachable. | ||
| And I think it's really skewing the polls. | ||
| If I was polling in this race, I would ask a screening question. | ||
| Do you believe that Joe Biden won a free and fair election? | ||
| And if you didn't, I would just talk you out of the poll, because why test these people? | ||
| There's nothing they can say to them. | ||
| Um, you know, I think one of the great truths of campaigns is that if you want voters to care about an issue, the campaign has to care about it. | ||
| Um, so I think it is tremendous that he's sort of kicking off this campaign. | ||
| There'll be a lot of kickoffs to this campaign, but this is going to be one talking about democracy. | ||
| The higher the stakes are in this race, I think the better Biden does. | ||
| Um, the majority of Americans agree with Joe Biden on actually, you know, not just democracy, but on most of these issues from abortion to gun control to Ukraine. | ||
| Republicans are needing a minority vote to win. | ||
| And that's, you know, certainly a possibility with our Electoral College. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Biden is going to have to win this thing by about four points in a popular vote, probably, to win the Electoral College. | |
| So, you know, I never was involved in a campaign where I sat around on election night waiting for the results and thought we started too soon. | ||
| So I'm glad they're getting about the business of drawing this contrast. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved! | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| It's Saturday, 6 January, in the year of our Lord 2024. | ||
| It's the third anniversary of one of the seminal events in American political history. | ||
| That was the events around January 6th, but really the stolen election. | ||
| Remember, elections have consequences. | ||
| Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. | ||
| We welcome you here today. | ||
| We're going to have a special. | ||
| Julie Kelly is going to be my wingman. | ||
| But we've got Joe Hoff is also on. | ||
| I think Joe Hoff is actually available now. | ||
| Let's get Joe in here. | ||
| Joe, I asked, I asked, or Jim, I'm sorry Jim, I keep saying Joe is the brilliant one, Jim is the handsome one. | ||
| The identical twins are the Hoffs. | ||
| But Hoff, here's the thing. | ||
| It gets back to the railhead of the Stolen Election and then really the Summer of Love in 2020. | ||
| You, your site, Gateway Pundit, and Julie Kelly as an individual and what she's been putting up across the board have really been the two people, I would put Raheem Kassam in there, I would put Darren Beattie in there, and Revolver, but in a very small group of people have really spent and dedicated a big part of their professional careers over the last couple of years of telling the stories of what happened on J6 and really setting and resetting the narrative with this onslaught. | ||
| And that's what we had the cold open at MSNBC. | ||
| So we had the Valley Forge speech yesterday. | ||
| Biden's determined that, you know, 60 percent of the country are domestic extremists. | ||
| That would be this audience. | ||
| Give me your perspective on J6 on the third anniversary. | ||
| You've done more, like I said, than virtually anybody to work this, to support the families, the individuals. | ||
| But particularly to make sure that the American people knew the narrative. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| And Happy New Year to you and Julie. | ||
| I'm so glad that you're doing this today on January 6th. | ||
| It's hard to believe this was three years ago. | ||
| You know, Steve, I can tell you, as far as with Gateway Pundit, I know when we put up articles about January 6th, even to this day, we still have an amazing amount of traffic. | ||
| People are very interested in this story. | ||
| They're very interested in the truth. | ||
| And I loved, in your cold open, listening to these people talk. | ||
| Joy Reid talking about some poll that said 77% of Democrats believe, or they believe that 77% of the people who went inside the U.S. | ||
| Capitol were violent that day. | ||
| Um, obviously that's not true. | ||
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We've seen the video. | |
| These same people probably think that the QAnon shaman was violent. | ||
| And we just put up new posts, a new video of the QAnon shaman outside reading Trump's tweet about being, um, uh, peaceful and, and then, and then telling people to go home. | ||
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unidentified
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Uh, we, we saw him praying inside the Senate room. | |
| We saw him being escorted around the Capitol. | ||
| There was no violence from the QAnon shaman. | ||
| Along with, you know, I would say probably 80, 90% of those people who walked in the building. | ||
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Um, so it's, it's just, they're just convoluted. | |
| It's a fantasy they're living in. | ||
| And Steve, we, we have helped a lot of these, um, protesters, these political prisoners, and that's exactly what they are. | ||
| Um, I'm very proud to say that we, uh, have raised, uh, at least 2.6 million for the families through our readership. | ||
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And, um, And I'm very proud of that. | |
| We still get calls. | ||
| I get calls from the DC Gulag a couple, two, three times a week still. | ||
| And I'm very, you know, I feel honored that we can help them because no one's telling their story, Steve. | ||
| You, Julie, Lara Logan came out with an exceptional piece. | ||
| Catherine Engelbrecht came out this week with a timeline of January 6th, the events that happened that day. | ||
| That was, it's just an amazing, So, not a lot of people have researched this like you have, like we have, like Julie has, and others. | ||
| The Epoch Times have been incredible. | ||
| But there's an interest for this and there's a thirst and a hunger for this news because, Steve, we're telling the truth. | ||
| And we all know that. | ||
| Jim, just hang on for a second. | ||
| Jim Hoffs is going to stick with us. | ||
| We got D. Julie Kelly is going to join us, who's done, dedicated her life over the last three years. | ||
| This is the commemorations, the third anniversary of January 6th, an event, the full political implications, cultural implications we have not felt yet in the United States of America. | ||
| Short commercial break, be back in a worm in a moment. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Batt. | ||
| Okay, Julie Kelly's going to join us here in a second. | ||
| I want to go back to Hoff. | ||
| Hoff, is today Insurrectionist Day or is it Patriotist Day in the mind of you in the Gateway Pundit, sir? | ||
| Oh, I would call it Patriotist Day, Steve. | ||
| And we put up a piece this morning for Mickey Wittoff at the Gateway Pundit. | ||
| Actually, it was on Friday. | ||
| And she calls it Patriotist Day. | ||
| This is the mother of Ashley Babbitt, who was shot and killed that day. | ||
| The officer, of course, still has his job. | ||
| I don't think they even did an interview with him, actually. | ||
| I'm sure Julie has much more details on that. | ||
| But she still goes out there every day. | ||
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They go out there in the evening by the D.C. | |
| Gulag. | ||
| The prison for a lot of these prisoners are still held three years later. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| And they sing the national anthem with these guys. | ||
| You know, talk about a patriot, that would be Mickey Wittoff and Nicole Reffit who goes with her and their band of patriots who go out there every night. | ||
| You mentioned that the individual who shot her in cold blood still has a job. | ||
| Last time I looked, it's been over a year since the Al's turned a Republican and we've controlled it. | ||
| Why has that individual not been investigated? | ||
| Why have the investigation of this not happened? | ||
| Why does he still have a job? | ||
| Yeah, it's unbelievable. | ||
| He was actually promoted after this and they actually held him In a nice hotel for a couple months, I guess, after the Patriots Day, January 6th of 2021. | ||
| But he's not the only one. | ||
| We know some other individuals, some other police officers, who were involved in very violent actions that day. | ||
| They still have their jobs. | ||
| We know the woman who was beating Roseanne Boylan, as she laid on the Capitol steps, this never got any major news, has never carried this except to lie about this story. | ||
| And this officer, Morris, was beating her with a stick 20, 30 times. | ||
| This woman who's unconscious ended up dying that day, Roseanne Boylan. | ||
| We've talked about it on your show, of course. | ||
| Nothing's happened to her. | ||
| She went to Disneyland afterwards. | ||
| She was pictured with Michael Fanone, who you just played earlier, Suddenly lost his hillbilly accent. | ||
| He sounds like a distinguished member of the D.C. | ||
| elites now. | ||
| But yeah, nothing has happened to any of these officers. | ||
| I was glad to see this week, though, Steve, when we put this up at Gateway Pundit, Victoria White, who had the crap beat out of her, smashed in the face by this officer, Bagshaw, over and over and over that day. | ||
| She got pushed in this west tunnel. | ||
| of the Capitol and got beaten up and dragged through the Capitol in her socks. | ||
| She's pressing charges and she's demanding that Mike Johnson, Speaker Mike Johnson, investigate what happened with the police abuse that day. | ||
| And then we also know that this Derek Vargo, who was pushed off a two story, 25 foot ledge, was lucky to be alive. | ||
| He's pressing charges against the officer who pushed him off the ledge that day. | ||
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The officer didn't pull him over and arrest him. | |
| No, he pushed him off the ledge. | ||
| This man could have died. | ||
| He broke his ankle in a couple spots. | ||
| He still has spine injuries. | ||
| He's suing now. | ||
| And he's also going after Mike Johnson, the speaker, to start an investigation of the police abuse. | ||
| So it's been three years. | ||
| It's about time. | ||
| And good for these people to continue to fight for the truth. | ||
| And, you know, Julie has, of course, Led the charge on this, along with Epoch Times and others, as we've mentioned. | ||
| But this is still, this isn't over, Steve. | ||
| And we also know, through some documents that Donald Trump released this week, that there was a reason that everyone was out there. | ||
| There's a reason that a million people, you know, went out that day to support Donald Trump. | ||
| And that is because of all the irregularities of the 2020 election. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Elections have consequences. | ||
| Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. | ||
| We've seen that in our country, in what, 40% of the American people think Biden's illegitimate. | ||
| MSNBC was warning about that at the top, including 70% of Republicans, which I think is incredibly low, but it's the independence number, which I think is in the 30s. | ||
| Over a third of the proxy of the American people, that's independent voters, thinks Biden's illegitimate. | ||
| It's never happened before. | ||
| in American history. | ||
| Real quickly, Jim, because I know you've got to go. | ||
| I want to go back to the committee. | ||
| Why, since they're going around the country using the J6 committee. | ||
| It wasn't a real committee. | ||
| You didn't have a ranking member. | ||
| You didn't have minority counsel. | ||
| They didn't get the information. | ||
| They couldn't cross-examine the witnesses. | ||
| This was a complete farce. | ||
| It's the reason that People like Cassie Hutchinson can sit up there and just perjure herself constantly and just lie about President Trump. | ||
| Why has not Mike Johnson? | ||
| We've been a huge advocate of this. | ||
| They've got to go in and just totally take down the J6 committee and start over again. | ||
| The nation needs to get to the bottom of what happened on 3 November of 2020. | ||
| three November of 2020 must get to the bottom of it and it must get to the bottom of January 6. | ||
| We're not going to really be able to go forward and close these divisions until we get the facts and the truth out. So why is Johnson, who by stroke of a pen can totally take away the January 6 committee, all these issues of the 14th Amendment and really reconstitute the committee and let the Democrats have a ranking member, let the Democrats have a minority council, let them get all the evidence, let them cross-examine witnesses, and we do this like every major committee, | ||
| from the Pearl Harbor Committee to the 9-11 Committee to Watergate, to all of it, the Church Committee, so it can actually act like the Congress is supposed to set up to do, sir. | ||
| Yeah, that needs to happen, Steve, and it needs to happen soon. | ||
| And again, I'm glad that these individuals who were brutalized that day now have lawsuits against Mike Johnson to push him to do this. | ||
| Something needs to happen. | ||
| I'm not sure why he's hesitated. | ||
| I think that's where a lot of Republicans and Trump supporters continue to be just disappointed. | ||
| That would be an easy way to say that we're actually furious with the fact that these Republicans go there and they don't represent us. | ||
| And they need to get this going because we need this done this year. | ||
| It can't be something that continues on to next year or the year after. | ||
| There's no guarantees that Republicans will have control of the House. | ||
| Jim, you know, there's so many things they won't touch until we force them to, like the border, securing the border, cutting the spending. | ||
| On this one, they're adamant. | ||
| I mean, McCarthy told people never mention January 6th, never mention January 6th. | ||
| He wouldn't give you money. | ||
| He wouldn't support you. | ||
| It's it's a it's Omerta up there, is it not? | ||
| With elected officials to talk about. | ||
| And we got to get to the bottom of it. | ||
| We need to find out the federal law enforcement involvement in this. | ||
| We got to know the intelligence community. | ||
| We have to go back and find out how it actually happened. | ||
| With Donald Trump, we have Kash Patel and others that will give testimony and have given testimony that Trump did everything he could. | ||
| I had Chris Miller, who was the acting Department of Defense, offer his book and I compared it to other books. | ||
| And I said, hey, if what you're saying is true in your book, and I grilled him, I said, you've exonerated Donald J. Trump. | ||
| This needs to come up. | ||
| The country needs this. | ||
| You want to start talking about healing, bringing the country together, reconciliation and accountability. | ||
| We need to do this, sir. | ||
| What say you? | ||
| Oh, absolutely, Steve. | ||
| And you can tell from the clips that you played to open the show today, Just how desperate and frightened these leftists are because they know that they're losing the narrative now. | ||
| As more and more of the truth comes out, they're acting very desperate and angry, just rageful at the American public like they always do because we're not believing the BS that they keep shoveling out day after day. | ||
| Um, and so, uh, I, I think, uh, I think we're on the right trajectory right now. | ||
| I think it's finally, it's finally acceptable for Republicans to start talking about what actually happened that day. | ||
| I know that ourselves, Gateway Pundit, we've been brutalized for this over the years, and yourself, Steve, and others, because we immediately came out and started asking questions and starting out putting out video and interviews from people who were there that contradicted everything the mainstream media was saying. | ||
| But now I do believe it's safe for Republicans to come out. | ||
| I see a lot of Republican reporters and different news organizations that are conservative are finally starting to talk about some of this. | ||
| And I think that's a good sign. | ||
| I think now's the time to do it. | ||
| And we have to get to the truth, as you have always said, Steve, and you've led the charge on this. | ||
| So thank you. | ||
| Well, no, I, hey, trust me, I've got Julie Kelly, Jim Hofton, the Gateway Pundit, Darren Beattie, Rahim Kassam, so many, But you guys, and it's quite amazing, given the entire apparatus, and I want to add the Fox News apparatus and 90% of conservative media, either would not touch it or drove the false narrative. | ||
| What you guys did is heroic, and this is going to be looked at in years to come, just like the committees of correspondence before the revolution, of people that actually told the truth and got the truth out there, and the American people. | ||
| Remember, the one thing the American people have besides grit and amazing determination is common sense. | ||
| Yes, Steve. | ||
| They can go to The Gateway Pundit. | ||
| On our website, of course, we're censored and blacklisted still in a number of places, as you know. | ||
| But you know what, Steve? | ||
| Our numbers continue to grow. | ||
| or it's by the new aristocracy of the media aristocracy in the unit party in this country. | ||
| Where do people go for your coverage, Jim Hoff? | ||
| Yes, Steve, they can go to The Gateway Pundit. | ||
| On our website, of course, we're censored and blacklisted still in a number of places, as you know, but you know what, Steve? Our numbers continue to grow. We had our best year ever. In 2023, we had 929 million page visits on our site, almost a billion. | ||
| So we continue to grow despite all of this because we want to report the truth and get the truth out to the American public. | ||
| You can also get us a Getter X and Truth Social and Telegram. | ||
| You're amazing. | ||
| By the way, every night at 8 o'clock, you have a great wrap-up news show. | ||
| You go right to your site. | ||
| It's just incredible. | ||
| And it's not just Steve Bannon, who for years has said Hoft is the direct descendant of Andrew Breitbart. | ||
| Now the Washington Post, the Jeff Bezos Amazon Washington Post backs me up, and they say he's the modern Andrew Breitbart. | ||
| They didn't quite mean it as the compliment that The War Room does, Jim, but you'll take it anyway. | ||
| Brother, you're fantastic. | ||
| I may have to change this. | ||
| The Badger. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm kind of torn now. | ||
| Is Jim the smart one and Joe the handsome one? | ||
| I gotta figure this out. | ||
| The Hoff Brothers. | ||
| Gateway Pundit. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Julie Kelly. | ||
| On Patriots Day, she's one of the top Patriots in our country. | ||
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| Julie Kelly, I've got a question to ask you. | ||
| I've gotten to know you over the last couple of years. | ||
| It's been extraordinary. | ||
| Have you ever dedicated, because I don't think a lot of people know the dedication you've had to this. | ||
| If it had not been for you and your reporting and sitting through court cases and in courtrooms and tracking down the people that actually were involved in all this over the last three years, we would not be here where we are today with people having a full understanding and having a tectonic plate shift Which is why we did the cold open, the mainstream media with all their resources, billions and billions of dollars, have not done the job you have. | ||
| Just for our audience sake, have you ever dedicated anything for three, because I've known you now for over three years, and you are on this story 24-7. | ||
| Have you ever in your life dedicated three years of your life just to one topic? | ||
| No, not to one topic. | ||
| Nothing close to this. | ||
| I mean, the only thing I've dedicated my life to, obviously moms out there can relate, is raising my two daughters and stepping away from my career in politics to raise my two daughters, be a full, a full-time stay at home mom, which leads me to, it's just to hear you say that, and, you know, to consider this is three years already. | ||
| You know, it's just amazing how life works and I was blessed and lucky to have the flexibility and the resources and the time and the support, especially from my family, my husband and my daughters and a lot of friends, to be able to do what I did and really dedicate nonstop to telling the stories of what was happening to these people and covering what was happening in the courts when no one else really was. | ||
| I know it sounds weird, but I feel really lucky and blessed to have had this point in my life and the availability and the ability to do so to get the facts and the truth out to the American people. | ||
| And I want to thank you, Steve, because you've been such a huge part of this. | ||
| You know, I talked to a Washington Post reporter yesterday who's writing a story about how the J6 narrative has so dramatically shifted in the public. | ||
| And of course, I credited you and others for Helping bring my work to a broader, to the broader public. | ||
| And so, you know, they never thought this was going to happen, Steve. | ||
| I was talking to my friend Lee Smith a couple of weeks ago. | ||
| They really thought they had the insurrection narrative nailed down. | ||
| They really didn't think that anyone would come forward and challenge the lies that they were telling, the narrative that they were shaping, and most importantly, this abusive, retaliatory, criminal prosecution of Americans. | ||
| They really thought no one would do it. | ||
| And I'm not patting myself on the back because I didn't do it by myself. | ||
| If it wasn't for platforms like you, and certainly Tucker was instrumental, Darren Beatty and the others that you mentioned, you know, we would still be suffering under the idea that this was an insurrection that tried to overthrow the government. | ||
| The reason we just have, you know, we had Jim to kind of tee it up, but we only have, not even a guest, she's a co-host today, is Julie Kelly. | ||
| I'm going to have other people associated with J6, some of the families raising money, some of the actual participants, throughout the week, because we're going to do this. | ||
| We needed to really dedicate this show to you because yeah, Tucker and I have easy jobs. | ||
| We basically cut the mic on, we have great production teams, and we put Julie Kelly on who does all the work, right? | ||
| This is the point. | ||
| When you started this, why did you, we're gonna get into details about it later, but this first segment, when you started, Did you understand this would be historical of what you're doing? | ||
| Or what drove you to it? | ||
| Was there something odd at the beginning you realized that this is not right? | ||
| And in delving into it, you found out it wasn't more right? | ||
| I mean, what was that motive force that actually got you to do it? | ||
| Because now we're here three years later, the narrative is shifting radically. | ||
| The Washington Post is even covering it. | ||
| You saw the long faces on MSNBC. | ||
| But when you first started, everybody ran for the hills. | ||
| They did. | ||
| I just go back to that day three years ago. | ||
| I was in my place in Florida. | ||
| My two best friends were there. | ||
| We were watching what was happening. | ||
| I just didn't have the same reaction that people were having, even on our side. | ||
| They were going nuts. | ||
| How dare they do this? | ||
| This is like war. | ||
| This is horrible. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I mean, when Jacob Chansley was photographed in the Senate, I tweeted out, I'd rather have him running the country than basically anybody else who's in Washington right now. | ||
| So I just didn't have the same reaction and it felt off to me. | ||
| It just felt so off. | ||
| So then, Um, really I go back to the first article that I wrote about a political prisoner was Cui Griffin, the founder for a Cowboys for Trump. | ||
| And I was reading about him and how a judge in Washington had denied his release, denied bond for him. | ||
| He was charged with two misdemeanors. | ||
| So my very first article about a political prisoner, and that was the headline was February 4th of 2021. | ||
| Also at the same time, Steve, I was following the lies about the death of Brian Sicknick and the New York Times posting that story on January 8th, 2021, where they said Brian Sicknick was bludgeoned to death by a fire extinguisher. | ||
| And I thought, well, there's videos and photographs plastered all over social media. | ||
| I haven't seen anything. | ||
| Certainly if a Capitol police officer was bludgeoned to death, we would have seen it. | ||
| So I started tracking that as well. | ||
| And then, of course, they ended up, you know, retracting that story a couple of weeks after his heroic burial. | ||
| So that really got it. | ||
| But I think I'll skip to March of 2021. | ||
| I opened with what's called a pacer. | ||
| But hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| I want to just stick with Sidnick and maybe we'll talk about this later. | ||
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| When you say they retracted it, only slightly. | ||
| I mean, you watch him. | ||
| We monitor, remember, CNN, MSNBC, BBC all the time. | ||
| If you watch them, they're slipping it in all the time. | ||
| I mean, you'll have guests on that said, you know, Brian Sidnick, who was bludgeoned to death. | ||
| So you've proved him wrong. | ||
| And that has shifted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Darren Beatty and Raheem, et cetera. | ||
| So we know the facts and is definitely stopped. | ||
| But they on this because this is a psyop for them. | ||
| This is a PSYOP where they're never really going to ever admit they had it wrong. | ||
| They're not going to admit it. | ||
| And that's why I keep saying J6 has got to be thrown out. | ||
| We need a platform to adjudicate this, both the stealing of the election and J6. | ||
| And let the Democrats have minority counsel. | ||
| Let Democrats be able to look at the evidence. | ||
| Let the Democrats cross-examine witnesses. | ||
| I have no problem with any of that because I know what the truth is and I know what the evidence that you've turned up What it's going to show, and that's why the Democrats are going to fight this tooth and nail, ma'am. | ||
| That's exactly right, because again, with the Sicknick story, they thought everybody would buy that hook, line and sinker, and they didn't. | ||
| And you had a couple of journalists. | ||
| I was one of them. | ||
| Tucker helped cover it at the time. | ||
| I know Darren covered it as well, that this story just didn't add up. | ||
| So, but they had to shift because they knew that four people died on January 6th, right? | ||
| They knew that four Trump supporters died. | ||
| It was already getting some coverage, especially the shooting of Ashley Babbitt. | ||
| The media was desperate to change that storyline quickly. | ||
| And so they did, and Capitol Police at the time, including former Chief Steve Sund, helped them do that by peddling this lie that Brian Sicknick had died as a result of injuries. | ||
| Well, the New York Times was the one who accelerated that by saying he was bludgeoned to death. | ||
| So this quickly shifted away from how did four Trump supporters die on January 6th? | ||
| What were the circumstances? | ||
| The fatal shooting, of course, of Ashley Babbitt. | ||
| Then that sucked all the media attention away from the death, really murder of at least three Trump supporters at the hands of police that day. | ||
| So then it flipped the script. | ||
| Trump supporters killed a police officer. | ||
| Well, of course, none of it was true. | ||
| So, I think those were the things, looking back now, what caught my attention and propelled my reporting at that early stage, was these lies that were coming out. | ||
| Lies. | ||
| When was the moment, excuse me, over the last three years, when was the moment that you realized that, I can actually, if I keep at this, I can actually turn this thing around and get the American people to really understand what's going on. | ||
| Was there a moment over the last three years, I know you started and you could see it, but, because it was so overwhelming, people have to remember, it was so overwhelming. | ||
| Night after night after night, this is what they were going to bludgeon Trump, the Trump movement, MAGA, they were never to, we were never to return to the nation's capital. | ||
| At the war room, Everybody left. | ||
| We had right there at the Breitbart Embassy, they had for the for two months or three months, they had, you know, 100 up armored National Guard guys, a couple of up armored Humvees. | ||
| The whole place was barbed wire, the Supreme Court, the Capitol. | ||
| It looked like a city under siege. | ||
| Just the optics to show you. | ||
| What was the moment as we go to break when you knew, hey, I can do this? | ||
| I wish I could point to a moment, but I think I have to say Also, we should talk about what happened in the Whitmer FedNap and covering that at the same time. | ||
| I think that really put my mind around the fact that there's really something sinister that happened here, and we are going to get the truth. | ||
| And that's what I would tell J6 defendants, who had no one else to really turn to except me and my editor at the time at American Greatness, flooded with outreach from J6 defendants, people being arrested. | ||
| And I remember just telling them, we are going to get the truth out. | ||
| It's going to happen quicker than what happened in Russiagate, which also The truth that eventually came out. | ||
| But we are going to make sure that the truth is revealed. | ||
| And so, I'm glad at least that wasn't an empty promise to those people. | ||
| Okay, Julie Kelly, today's your day. | ||
| We're going to take a short break. | ||
| We're going to start playing clips. | ||
| Have you tell us, walk us through the story. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Julie Kelly is with us on a Saturday morning. | ||
| It is the commemoration of 6th January. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| It's the commemoration of J6. | ||
| Julie, is this Insurrectionist Day or is it Patriot Day? | ||
| Definitely there. | ||
| I mean, I would go along a little bit with Patriot Day, but I think I'll refer to it as Inside Job Day. | ||
| And that's why I see the media melting down because they know that the clothes are coming off the J6 Emperor very quickly. | ||
| So I'm going to call it Inside Job Day. | ||
| Let's talk, I want to get to the inside job, and I want to start in Michigan. | ||
| I know this has upset you. | ||
| When you first briefed me on the story before we had you on the first time, as I normally do, I go, I said, Julie, no, that's impossible. | ||
| That couldn't happen. | ||
| No, Julie, that's impossible. | ||
| That couldn't happen. | ||
| No, Julie, that's impossible. | ||
| It couldn't happen. | ||
| It turned out it all happened. | ||
| Walk people through the predicate, the preamble to J6. | ||
| So I think I always go back to the Whitmer FedNapping hoax, and I need to credit BuzzFeed Because their investigative report that dropped in July of 2021 exposed this huge FBI entrapment operation. | ||
| At least as many FBI informants as defendants or targets as I call them. | ||
| In addition to that, you had handling agents, you had supervising agents, you had FBI undercover agents all run into this sting operation to make it look like white supremacist militiamen loyal to Donald Trump had planned to kidnap and kill Gretchen Whitmer. | ||
| So after BuzzFeed dropped that report, I started following it. | ||
| I know others did, including Darren Beatty. | ||
| So I also, in addition to covering the J6 trials at the time, not trials hearings, I, as I said, I had that, that legal website account where I could pull up the filings, but because it was COVID, I could also listen into all the J6 hearings in Washington. | ||
| I also then started covering Whitmer. | ||
| So as I'm pulling up the defense motion filings, just blown away. | ||
| At what these defense attorneys are finding out about all the FBI assets who stitched this group together, organized all of the events, captured all of the evidence as these guys are drunk in stone, whatever, and concocted this plot. | ||
| So you have these two things happening at the same time. | ||
| Well, there's no way the FBI is conducting this huge operation for Whitmer that involved multiple FBI field offices. | ||
| Christopher A. certainly knew about it. | ||
| But had nothing to do with January 6th. | ||
| And I will credit Darren Beatty because he is the one that recorded, first discovered, that Stephen DeAntonio, the head of the Detroit FBI field office during the Whitmer Caper, was promoted by Chris Wray three months before January 6th to take over the Washington FBI field office. | ||
| That, to me and others, was the huge linchpin that sort of tied the two and the very real possibility of FBI and other government assets, provoking and then engaged in inciting the events of January 6th. | ||
| So I've got a big piece up on real clear investigations for people who want sort of an overview of what happened. | ||
| And this just truly just scratches the surface of this, what happened there. | ||
| But also those are on appeal in the federal and state courts. | ||
| So the Whitmer caper is not over. | ||
| The FBI entrapment scheme is not over. | ||
| And I expect those appeals to move forward this year as well. | ||
| OK. | ||
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Here's one thing I have to have you explain to people. | |
| Because, you know, MAGA is a ton of veterans, are parents of active duty service members. | ||
| We're a big law and order crowd. | ||
| All of us were raised to respect the police. | ||
| Many, many law enforcement and first responders and veterans of those in our audience are people that have been parents of it or had their parents be it. | ||
| What is most difficult about this story is what institutions that used to be considered the good guys, how did this so quickly go to be not just bad guys, but demonic? | ||
| The one thing that struck me in this entire thing, they are demonic when they come to this topic of J6 about what they do. | ||
| They'll tear up the law. | ||
| They will do anything to prosecute and persecute people. | ||
| How did that happen? | ||
| I'm not really sure how that happened. | ||
| Um, it, it, it's an interesting question because I asked myself that, you know, um, I'm not from a law enforcement family. | ||
| I respect law enforcement, but I've always sort of had a skeptical eye towards them and also prosecutors for things that I covered when I worked in politics decades ago and not in Illinois. | ||
| But aside from that, um, I think because they got away with so much during the first war on terror. | ||
| And then you've got to go back to Crossfire Hurricane, Steve, when no one was punished for what happened there. | ||
| It was a big green light to Chris Wray and the FBI and agents and offices across the country that this is the way that this agency should and could be weaponized. | ||
| And look, I've explained to people, and it's in my book, when the first war on terror started to fall apart and dissipate, you had this huge apparatus, very costly, employs tens of thousands of people, involves the military. | ||
| You can't just all of a sudden say, well, we won, so we're going to shut this down. | ||
| They needed a way to redirect all of that authority, all of those resources, the money, the people involved. | ||
| So then what happens? | ||
| Christopher Wray makes up this story in 2019 that domestic violent extremists, i.e. | ||
| Trump supporters, pose as big of a threat as foreign terror cells like ISIS and Al Qaeda. | ||
| So that was completely fabricated. | ||
| So what did the FBI then do? | ||
| They made up the Whitmer FedNapping hoax. | ||
| They made up Elements of January 6th. | ||
| They ran informants into the Proud Boys. | ||
| They ran informants into the Oath Keepers. | ||
| In the Whitmer case, keep in mind, the FBI made up a militia group, the 3% Patriot group. | ||
| They made it up. | ||
| Their lead FBI informant, Dan Chappell, swore in the guy from the vacuum repair shop, Adam Fox, as the head of the FBI made up militia. | ||
| Dan Chappell, the FBI informant, took an oath as a commanding officer in the FBI's made-up militia. | ||
| So these are all the little stitches that tie this together. | ||
| What also happened in Whitmer? | ||
| April 2020, the storming of the Lansing Capitol in Michigan. | ||
| Same optics. | ||
| You know what I learned when I was covering the trial, the federal trial for the Whitmer Fednapping hoax? | ||
| Dan Chappell told his FBI handler, That all these armed protesters were outside the building. | ||
| The FBI told the Michigan State Police to stand down, let the protesters, some of whom were armed because that's allowed in Michigan, into the building. | ||
| Photographers and reporters inside capturing the very same images and optics we would see eight months later. | ||
| So in many regard, in many aspects, and Darren Beattie has covered this too, was a dress rehearsal for January 6th. | ||
| Same players, same playbook, same pattern. | ||
| Um, so I think without Whitmer as the backdrop, it would be hard to really believe, to your point, and the right to believe that the law enforcement community was capable of doing it. | ||
| Let's take a short break. | ||
| Julie Kelly is going to be outside. | ||
| We've got some, a very disturbing press conference the other day. | ||
| This is a fight, a monumental fight, a fight that we can win and we must win. | ||
| But more importantly, right now, we are winning. |
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