Jan. 3, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| You made the comment in this whole firestorm with Stefanik in the testimony that, hey, no offense, Dr. Gay had been stealing your work for 30 years. | ||
| This is how, and people know Dr. Swain, this is how you got tenure at Princeton. | ||
| This is when you walked away from Princeton and got tenure at Vanderbilt, which is no small feat off of original research. | ||
| Just real quickly, It's obvious now, and you're doing interviews, you were the lead story on Daily Mail, the biggest newspaper in the world this morning. | ||
| Does Dr. Gay have to go? | ||
| Because not only does she steal your work, she's been obfuscating and, quite frankly, lying about it. | ||
| Dr. Carol Swain. | ||
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Well, wait a minute, Steve. | |
| You started off by calling her Dr. Gay. | ||
| My contention now is that if you plagiarize your dissertation and you defend work that you didn't fully write, I'm not sure it's appropriate to call that person a doctor. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You would take away your Ph.D. | ||
| right now. | ||
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I mean, what do you do? | |
| You get a Ph.D. | ||
| when you write an original thesis and you defend it before a committee and they have that celebration and wine and cheese and they call you doctor, you know, whatever. | ||
| That's part of the process of academia. | ||
| And I don't know what should happen in the case of a dissertation that was plagiarized. | ||
| I have said all along that she'd go back and look at her senior thesis. | ||
| And then work that was plagiarized. | ||
| And so all of it seems very fraudulent. | ||
| And it doesn't make me happy. | ||
| I'm still sad, but I'm a bit angry. | ||
| But I'm just hoping that good comes out of this and the good would come from Harvard doing the right thing. | ||
| They need to release her from, put her on administrative leave with pay, I don't care if she has leave with pay, and work out a separation agreement and then they need to go out and find the best possible person to replace her and it might be a middle-aged to elderly Protestant or Jewish white male. | ||
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They need someone that's committed to classical liberalism and Someone that believes in all the things that classical liberals, you know, used to believe in to try to bring sanity back to the university. | |
| Professor, let's say even, even if everything that you said is true, potentially true here, when you look at the writings and, I mean, is that something you would have done? | ||
| In the way you write, would you do what Claudine Gay would have done and expect to keep your job? | ||
| Because that is also another element here. | ||
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You're talking about the allegations of plagiarism? | |
| I'm saying you've seen, right, you've compared, I'm sure as you've gone through the writing here, to, maybe it isn't stealing research, which would be a huge crime in academia, of course, but in terms of writing an essay, this is nothing that you would accept from a college student, for instance. | ||
| They know not to do this, so that's what I'm asking about. | ||
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If a college student did that, what I would expect is I would expect a careful and deliberate hearing to understand whether they violated rules. | |
| And I think if I saw that, I'd be concerned, and I would bring it up at Harvard, for example, to an academic board that would determine whether or not they violated the rules. | ||
| What happened to Claudine Gay was not that. | ||
| What happened to Claudine Gay was mob pressure. | ||
| to force her to resign. | ||
| So even if what she did was something that should have led to her termination, we never got to that point. | ||
| We got to the point where people were yelling at her on social media and subjecting her to attacks that she didn't deserve. | ||
| And rather than having a careful deliberation, which is what we do at a university, we had her subject to a mob to force her resignation. | ||
| Back now to that breaking news out of Harvard University. | ||
| In a new letter, President Claudine Gay says she will resign. | ||
| Provost Alan Gerber will be serving as interim president. | ||
| He is an economist as well as a physician. | ||
| NBC's Rehema Ellis is following this story for us. | ||
| So, Rehemus, I know this news has just broke. | ||
| This comes as Claudine Gay has faced allegations of plagiarism and a lot of criticism over her response to anti-Semitism on the campus there in Cambridge. | ||
| So what did she say in her letter? | ||
| Well, we just got this letter, Alex, and I'm going to read a little bit to you of what it says here because I'm looking at it along with you. | ||
| It says, um, this is not a decision I came to easily. | ||
| Indeed, it has been difficult beyond words because I have looked forward to working with so many of you to advance the commitment to academic excellence that has propelled the great university across centuries. | ||
| But after consultation with members of the corporation, It has become clear that it is in the best interest of Harvard for me to resign so that our community can navigate this moment of extraordinary challenge with a focus on the institution rather than any individual. | ||
| This comes just a matter of days, almost hours if you will, of a scathing editorial in the Crimson Harvard. | ||
| It's the newspaper for Harvard University and it had said that Essentially, it was time for President Claudine Gay to step aside. | ||
| As you point out, she's been under intense scrutiny and criticism since that scathing hearing in Congress back on December 5th. | ||
| She is the second university president and female now to resign. | ||
| There were three women from elite Ivy League colleges, as you remember, who sat in on that congressional hearing were asked questions about the conduct of students and activities on campus around anti-Semitism. | ||
| The president of the University of Pennsylvania already resigned. | ||
| In fact, she resigned just a matter of days after that hearing. | ||
| And now we have this resignation by Claudine Gay. | ||
| She was heralded when she was appointed to this position just six months ago. | ||
| It was an historic appointment for her and now it is history making that in a six-month tenure she is stepping down from this position. | ||
| Interestingly enough though after that congressional hearing the corporation announced unanimous support for Gay after extensive deliberations on this and now just days later we're finding that is unanimous This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| that they're accepting her resignation and that is the thing for her to do. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| Here's how I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved! | ||
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It's Tuesday, the 2nd of January in the year of our Lord 2024. | |
| Stephen K. Babb. | ||
| It's Tuesday, the 2nd of January in the year of our Lord 2024. | ||
| A bombshell today in Cambridge. | ||
| Dr. Gay has resigned and of course, even with Obama and everybody working the phones all weekend, the Board of Governors of the Harvard Corporation accepted it after unanimously backing her. | ||
| This was not about the anti-semitism. | ||
| This is 1,000% Because of the plagiarism and this is it's 1,000% Because of our next guest, and you saw the beginning. | ||
| Dr. Carol Swain, thank you for joining us. | ||
| I understand we've had some tech problems, so you're joining us by phone. | ||
| You corrected me. | ||
| We played, you didn't get a chance because we were trying to work out the tech problems. | ||
| At the top of the show, we played the interview I did with you before Christmas, where I called her Dr. Gay, and you said, hey Steve, slow down, slow down. | ||
| I don't actually think she's a doctor, because I think she plagiarized not just the writing of the thesis, but also her research, which she stole from me, and it's pretty blatant. | ||
| Walk me through your first thoughts of what happened. | ||
| I heard a letter by the way, was just, this is all about racism, this is about pressure from racists. | ||
| Your thoughts, ma'am? | ||
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Well, first of all, her letter and the letter from the Harvard Corporation both were woefully inadequate because neither one really apologized or addressed the plagiarism. | |
| And I am deeply distressed by the fact that Harvard still seems to think that it can redefine plagiarism And with Claudine Gay stepping down, she would still be on the faculty. | ||
| She would still be teaching students. | ||
| And if the narrative that she's going to spin and the corporation will spin is that she stepped down because of these, you know, white supremacists, and not because she had violated all the rules of academic integrity, then I just think that it's not really a win for our nation. | ||
| It's not a win for people who care about Harvard. | ||
| And it causes me great distress that Harvard University believes that because they are Harvard, they can get away with anything. | ||
| Well, particularly the Harvard, this resonates, you know, so much throughout the academic world in the United States and throughout the world. | ||
| I want to go back and just make sure we reset this. | ||
| Your contention, and it was backed up by proof and evidence, was what in in fact to correct me and say hey steve are you caller doctor gay i don't actually think she's a doctor i don't think that she actually should've been awarded a phd go go through and just walk me through the details here of of what your case was uh... against uh... claudine gay one day i can tell you that uh... the last camp i saw what that they were like | ||
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fifty instances of plagiarism So I'm by no means the only person who was plagiarized. | |
| But part of my deep concern is that my work was deeply compromised. | ||
| by her dissertation as well as some of the early articles because I wrote the seminal book in that area and that she was actually building on ideas that I put out there but I was not adequately cited and so there were many places in her dissertation which I've read and in her early work where she should have cited me and she didn't cite me and then there were two clear instances of direct plagiarism | ||
| You know, pretty much verbatim. | ||
| And my concerns about her dissertation is that when you get to be called doctor, it's because you successfully defend a dissertation that has original ideas, you defend it before a committee, and you get conferred a doctorate. | ||
| But if significant portions of your dissertation is found to be plagiarized, Then how can you be a doctor? | ||
| How can you be a doctor? | ||
| And we know that something like at least seven of her ten articles had plagiarism in it. | ||
| So she was able to earn tenure at Stanford and move on to Harvard with a very thin academic record that would not have normally given anyone tenure in the Ivy League or maybe even at a Tier 1 university, but she has been able to skirt through all along and even now she's being given a very soft landing. | ||
| She gets to keep her title as Dr. Gay and she also gets to keep her faculty position and she doesn't apologize for anything she did wrong. | ||
| In fact, she blames other people. | ||
| She's the victim here, not the people she plagiarized from. | ||
| And the more I'm talking about this, I'm finding my blood pressure rising, and I'm normally a cool, calm, collected cookie. | ||
| I'm not so cool, calm, and collected right now. | ||
| No, and you're a good Christian woman. | ||
| You live your Christian faith. | ||
| But I want to go back. | ||
| I've got about a minute here I want to hold you through. | ||
| The book you wrote, The Adversity of Diversity, really cuts to the heart of this. | ||
| You were tenured, I think, at Princeton because of your original research back in the late 80s, early 90s, is that correct? | ||
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Well, my book, Black Faces, Black Interests, the Representation of African Americans in Congress, was published in 1993, updated in 95, and republished in 2006. | |
| It won three national prizes, the highest prize a political scientist can win. | ||
| It was the seminal book in the area of minority representation in Congress, cited in numerous court decisions. | ||
| It's clear that in her dissertation, she's trying to counter the ideas that I have in my book, and she even has a section about implications on voting rights. | ||
| I would contend that the left needed someone high profile to come out with findings that were different than mine, because mine was actually having a real-world impact. | ||
| And so all along, you know, she has been able to go very far based on ideas that I put out in the world without seriously engaging those ideas in a literature review. | ||
| There's no literature review in her dissertation, and she keeps referring in the dissertation to her book. | ||
| She had a dissertation, and that dissertation was found to be heavily plagiarized. | ||
| Dr. Swain, can you just hang on for one second? | ||
| Dr. Carol Swain, her research led to the resignation today of the president of Harvard University. | ||
| Massive implications of this. | ||
| The right is already being blamed for being racist in this. | ||
| Dr. Carol Swinney joins us after a short commercial break. | ||
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We will fight till they're all gone. | |
| We rejoice when there's no more. | ||
| Let's take down the CCP. | ||
| Perspectives, this is all, you know, university politics. | ||
| It doesn't really affect my day-to-day life. | ||
| Cutting his resignation is not going to solve the issue of anti-Semitism on campus. | ||
| We need a definitive culture shift. | ||
| Do you agree that Harvard's campus needs a definitive culture shift, specifically when it comes to the issue of anti-Semitism? | ||
| I think what Harvard needs, and I think all universities need this, is a deep conversation about issues of free speech and issues of anti-Semitism, of Islamophobia, and lots of other issues that campuses face. | ||
| It doesn't help when people are trying to force decisions on a campus from outside. | ||
| I think that anytime people are thinking that are feeling pressured because of who they are, or feeling under attack because of who they are, that's something the university needs to take seriously. | ||
| And it's not people like Alicia Daphonic that we're pressing, Claudine Gay and Capitol Hill, people like right-wing Internet trolls, people like alumni billionaires are not asking us to take those issues seriously. | ||
| I hope what happens In the future with new leadership at Harvard is we'll have an opportunity to step back and say we're going to examine these issues and decide what the best way forward is so we can have both academic freedom and freedom of speech on campus. | ||
| There's also, Professor, there are undertones here, criticism, long-held criticism that you're aware of on the right of what is perceived to be sort of wokeism, as it's called pejoratively by the right, sort of run amok in higher education. | ||
| And I wonder, you know, what you think maybe There's no doubt that there's a left-wing bias in academia. | ||
| when it comes to that, what you're taking away from that perception, what you think may be fair criticism, what you think is definitely unfair. | ||
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You know, there's no doubt that there's a left-wing bias in academia. | |
| I have been a critic of that myself, and I say that as a liberal, that there's a culture in academia that needs examined, that we should be critical of ourselves. | ||
| But if you think that there's a liberal bias in academia, If you think there's a political bias in academia, you don't attack that by bringing your own bias. | ||
| These people that were attacking Claudine Gay and were attacking Harvard were not doing this because they wanted political balance at the university. | ||
| They were doing this because they wanted to impose their own politics on the university, and they did so in bad faith. | ||
| And so they're not going to help by making these attacks. | ||
| They're not going to help Dr. Swinney, is your blood pressure getting up more? | ||
| Were your attacks in bad faith? | ||
| They're just going to bring political attacks on the university, and that's something we should be concerned about from the perspective of our democracy and the independence of higher education. | ||
| Dr. Swinney, is your blood pressure getting up more? | ||
| Your attacks and bad faith? | ||
| Did you have a right-wing agenda when you talked about standards of truth and true research in a university setting, ma'am? | ||
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You know, I'm so disappointed with my former colleagues and people that I used to respect in academia who have dismissed the plagiarism and have taken stances that really appall me. | |
| And none of them seem to be concerned about higher education and how Harvard's stance will impact K-12 education As well as other colleges and universities. | ||
| And so it saddens me more than anything that these people have basically taken over the universities and destroyed them with their left-wing ideas, pushed pretty much all the conservatives, either underground or off campus, would take the position that they're taking right now. | ||
| They're blaming the messenger rather than dealing with the problem. | ||
| You know, Bill Ackman, when he did this big analysis, he's one of the big donors, and he gives this big analysis, and he says they found out that the faculty, each department was hiring their own people, but they had these DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, mandates set up, and people were hiring to do that, so they weren't hiring the best people. | ||
| You've argued about this. | ||
| In the adversity of diversity. | ||
| You said this is what was going to happen to the university and standards were going to collapse. | ||
| And Claudine Gay was the personification. | ||
| But Ackman, and this is where the Jewish donors get a big shock. | ||
| They go, oh, we found out in things the Jews are white. | ||
| And that was their beef on the anti-Semitism. | ||
| That's why the anti-Semitism here didn't really get much traction. | ||
| It was the plagiarism. | ||
| Just understand, it was the plagiarism that took gay down. | ||
| Not the anti-semitism, and that's what built into the faculty from the DEI. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Go ahead, you've warned about this. | ||
| You've warned that this is where DEI was going to get us. | ||
| That's why your latest book, The Adversity of Diversity, takes it head on. | ||
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And you know something, what is happening with courting gay all over America at campuses and universities, they have lowered standards. | |
| And often it was through the programs there were studies, you know, black studies, women's studies, LGBTQ studies, Hispanic studies. | ||
| It was through those programs. | ||
| But Claudine Gay represents a whole different level when you take someone who has a mediocre record and put them at the head of what used to be considered, I guess, one of the greatest universities in the world, if not the greatest. | ||
| That's where we are. | ||
| And what is insulting is that her supporters are arguing for lowered standards for her because she's black. | ||
| They would not make those same arguments for white male or female. | ||
| Nor should they make it for anyone. | ||
| Obviously Harvard's reached out to you and gotten your input on this, correct? | ||
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Well, I would say, unfortunately, I've not heard from anyone. | |
| As far as I can tell, I'm not important enough for Harvard to reach out to. | ||
| They have not apologized. | ||
| They have not sought my opinion. | ||
| I've given my opinion to them freely on social media, as I shared with the world. | ||
| But Harvard's in a lot of trouble, and just allowing Claudine Gay to step down, With the soft landing and no accountability, that's not going to make the problem go away. | ||
| Why do you say they're in a lot of trouble and are you going to continue to pursue this? | ||
| Because it seems like you're pretty adamant that her PhD thesis is a farce and she should never have been awarded, I guess by Stanford, a doctorate. | ||
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You know, it bothers me that I have to be the person that's saying this because other people who know it are afraid to do so, but I am going to pursue it. | |
| I do have legal counsel, and I'm not sure where this is going to go, but I cannot let it go. | ||
| I cannot let them get off with no accountability because this is much bigger than me. | ||
| This is about the future of higher education in this nation. | ||
| Dr. Swain, how can people follow you on this? | ||
| Whenever Harvard does something, it resonates throughout the entire country, both for good and for not good. | ||
| And recently, it's been much more not good. | ||
| And one of the reasons is what you lay out about what's happened to the Ivy Leagues since you were awarded tenure back in the 90s, I guess, at Princeton. | ||
| So how can people follow you on this? | ||
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I'm very active on Twitter, which calls itself X. And a lot of my ideas start there, and then I post them on the other platforms. | |
| But I'm on Twitter, Getter, Truth Social, Facebook, and Locals. | ||
| But mostly—and I've started writing opinion pieces, and I'm hoping to write one about the two statements that Harvard issued, the one that Claudine Gay issued. | ||
| And the one that the Harvard Corporation issued, both of them woefully inadequate. | ||
| Neither one of them addressed the real problem, and they acknowledge no harm. | ||
| They don't address the pleasurism. | ||
| I'm just appalled. | ||
| Plus, they blame other people. | ||
| well i will tell you that mentality your righteous indignation here is i think uh... important It's important for the nation. | ||
| It's important for higher education. | ||
| You're a fighter, and we know you're not going to back down, but massive news today coming from this, and it really started On this show, when you corrected me, you said, Steve, whoa, stop. | ||
| She's not a doctor. | ||
| That gets to the heart of it. | ||
| And I think now Harvard's trying to wrestle with how to get out of this with the least damage to their reputation. | ||
| But like you said, until they make fundamental changes, they're just perpetuating a lie. | ||
| And that's where we stand right now. | ||
| Dr. Carol Swain, thank you. | ||
| Honored to have you. | ||
| You also have a news site. | ||
| Where do people go for your news site? | ||
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My website, BeThePeopleNews.com, and you can sign up for a newsletter there. | |
| And I have a site, Carol M. Swain, and a nonprofit, 501c3, Be the People Nonprofit. | ||
| And we're having a conference in February on how to save our nation. | ||
| The main theme is about restoring the American dream. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| We'll look forward to pushing people there and making sure they attend the conference. | ||
| Dr. Swain, thank you so much. | ||
| This is just the top of the first inning in this story, trust me. | ||
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And you're the first interview all day. | |
| I wanted to start with you because you were the one that gave me my very first interview in the beginning, and I have several more this evening. | ||
| By then I had the camera working. | ||
| Well, we got your thoughts and your voice. | ||
| Dr. Swain, thank you. | ||
| This audience loves you, as you know. | ||
| Huge supporters, so thank you so much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Bye! | ||
| Bye. | ||
| Steve Collinson, which I've told you guys over at CNN, you never see him on camera, but he's a writer for the site. | ||
| He's a very smart guy. | ||
| Now, he hates Trump. | ||
| He hates MAGA. | ||
| He hates this show. | ||
| He hates everything dealing with it. | ||
| But today, he wrote a piece immediately and said, hey, this is a very big victory for a very big victory for the Trump populist right, that they're exerting now their cultural muscle. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Dr. Carol Swain is as smart as they come. | ||
| Revered political scientist. | ||
| And she ain't backing down one inch. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're gonna go out with Modern Day Holy War. | ||
| I think that's what we're fighting here, right? | ||
| In the War Room. | ||
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We'll be back in a moment. | |
| Children in a straight line, don't fall behind Mom knows that television's only meant to indoctrinate the mind Scene ain't always the same This is wild This is the end of the video. Thank you for watching. | ||
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| CBP-1? ¿De dónde son? Venezuela. | ||
| Where are you going in the United States? | ||
| Arizona. | ||
| Your family? | ||
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My brother. | |
| And you? | ||
| I'm going to Colombia. | ||
| South Carolina. | ||
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Honduras. | |
| Houston. | ||
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Houston? | |
| Haiti. | ||
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Florida. | |
| Oh, Florida. | ||
| Okay, Florida? | ||
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Sí. | |
| Sí, Florida. | ||
| Okay, all Florida. | ||
| CBP1, ah? | ||
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Sí, CBP1. | |
| ¿A dónde vas en Estados Unidos? | ||
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Boston. | |
| Boston, okay. | ||
| ¿Tú? | ||
| Boston, Boston. | ||
| Orlando. | ||
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Yes. | |
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New Jersey? | |
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| New Jersey, okay. | ||
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I'm from Haiti. | |
| Haiti, okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What state? | ||
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Indianapolis. | |
| Indianapolis, okay. | ||
| How long did it take you to get here? | ||
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I just have two months and a half to come here. | |
| Two months and a half, okay. | ||
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Alright. | |
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| Yeah, how much did... People get my money. | ||
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| You know, you know. | ||
| The criminals? | ||
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Just criminals, yeah. | |
| How much did it cost you? | ||
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I don't even know how much. | |
| Too much? | ||
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That's a lot. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Boston. | ||
| Boston, okay. | ||
| I'm from Mexico. | ||
| Mexico? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Where are you going in the United States? | ||
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Mexico, where are you going in the United States? | |
| Washington, Indiana. | ||
| That's part of the line, they said they've been in line since 11am. | ||
| It goes back, it's probably a 2-3 hour line now. | ||
| I've never seen this in this area. | ||
| It takes longer because they've shut down some of the lanes, so everybody has to wait longer because of the The CBP one. | ||
| So not only is Joe Biden letting them in illegally across the river, he's also inviting them in across the bridge every single day. | ||
| The CBP one app, which is it's a total sham. | ||
| Basically all it is is saying that you believe you have a right to come into the country. | ||
| and you're requesting a court date and that's all they're giving you they're they're letting you come in and giving you a court date that's months if not years into the future at that at which point then you can give your justification for being in the country which is just insane we're letting you in the country To let you then go to a court date that could be five years from now to then maybe tell you, you can't be in the country. | ||
| It just, it's totally insane. | ||
| The amount of money we're spending on this. | ||
| And again, we've been walking, this line is just enormous. | ||
| That's Joe Biden. | ||
| It's not only screwing up America, it's screwing up Mexico too. | ||
| The people that are crossing legally for Mexico. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Um, we got to stop playing games. | ||
| Remember, it was the Inspector General, Ben Berquam, who joins me from the Hidalgo-Renoso Bridge in the Rio Grande Valley at the Mexican border. | ||
| The Inspector General, remember this, Ben, came out a month or so ago and said, hey, let me be honest, we don't have any earthy idea where 75% of these people go after giving the statement. | ||
| They put down they're going to be in a McDonald's, South Chicago, they're going to be at a Kmart somewhere. | ||
| It's just a joke. | ||
| We have no earthy idea right there. | ||
| They process them in and this is all Biden wants money for. | ||
| And we don't need Mike Johnson down for a photo op tomorrow. | ||
| Ben Burcum is going to be there. | ||
| We don't need a photo op. | ||
| Everybody knows what's going on. | ||
| This is systematic. | ||
| This is well thought through. | ||
| The Biden regime has planned and executed an invasion of our country. | ||
| Yeah, Steve, you're right. | ||
| And I just want to show you this again. | ||
| I know I've shown you this before, but this is what Joe Biden thinks of the security of America. | ||
| That's the wall, President Trump's wall. | ||
| This is what Joe Biden thinks, right here. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| I can literally, I could just go right over there into Mexico. | ||
| This is a little bit of razor wire. | ||
| It's totally pathetic. | ||
| Joe Biden and the Democrats are selling out America. | ||
| They're destroying our country. | ||
| And they're using our tax dollars to do it. | ||
| And they're not just using ours. | ||
| They're using Mexico's. | ||
| We were over there. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| I'm a little pissed off right now because I just had to wait two hours in that line because of the CBP1 and what it's doing to back it up the line. | ||
| We tried to get a taxi. | ||
| We're like, OK, well, this line's a little bit long. | ||
| We're going to try to go down to Progreso. | ||
| We talked to a taxi. | ||
| We asked 10 taxi drivers. | ||
| We said, would you drive us to Progreso? | ||
| Which is about 30 miles on the Mexico side of the border. | ||
| They laughed at us. | ||
| They said, no way. | ||
| If we try to leave the city, they'll kill us. | ||
| The cartel owns that area. | ||
| So that's what we're doing. | ||
| Joe Biden's taking our tax dollars and enriching the cartels. | ||
| And every single one of these people, you even heard the story from the guy from Haiti. | ||
| These guys are getting robbed and raped along the way. | ||
| It's terrible for everybody. | ||
| And the fact that we don't have Republicans in the House that have the balls to stand up and say, no more. | ||
| No more! | ||
| No more! | ||
| That's the answer! | ||
| Not a little bit more, not 10% more, no more! | ||
| Shut it down! | ||
| Because, look, the Republicans, and this is by this bill they've agreed to on this temporary basis, it all has all the Nancy Pelosi's, all the Woken Weaponizers in there. | ||
| You're paying the money to the Catholic Charities. | ||
| You're paying the money to the NGOs. | ||
| All the stuff you see now with the NGOs in Panama. | ||
| The changing of the bases and everything. | ||
| Everything is to exacerbate and accelerate the invasion of the country. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| You're paying for all of it. | ||
| Not one penny's been taken out. | ||
| And we don't need Speaker Johnson. | ||
| Ben's going to be there tomorrow in Eagle Pass. | ||
| We know about Eagle Pass. | ||
| Everybody knows about it. | ||
| And the media's not going to cover it any better because you're there. | ||
| You need to be in Washington, D.C., and here's the only thing that is acceptable to us. | ||
| Either shut down the border or shut down the government. | ||
| The only thing Biden and the Senate will understand is smash mouth. | ||
| And now it's time to play smash mouth. | ||
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That's it. | |
| There is no excuse. | ||
| We know this invasion is going on and tens of thousands are coming into the country. | ||
| That's a combat division. | ||
| It's 10,000 men in a combat division. | ||
| Over a combat division or two is coming across the border. | ||
| They just, in the month of December, we've just put up the numbers. | ||
| It's the biggest in history in the month of December. | ||
| The only way to stop this is to choke down the money. | ||
| Ben, you spent so many of the last couple of years down there and in Mexico and in Darien Gap. | ||
| Is there any other way we can do this right now than play smash mouth with the illegitimate Biden regime? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, and that's the thing. | ||
| Steve, we're dead. | ||
| This nation is dead if we don't. | ||
| People don't realize this. | ||
| I go down there and I show you this, I go across, I show you the numbers coming across, but when I'm standing out there in the middle of the desert and I've got 12 Egyptian guys that we have no idea who these guys are and they look at me and once they start realizing that I'm filming them, I'm with the media, I'm not on their side, it's like... | ||
| It's scary what is coming across. | ||
| We are inviting that, as you mentioned, we're inviting other armies of other nations into our country with our tax dollars. | ||
| We can't take any more of this. | ||
| If the Republicans don't have the courage to stand up on this, they don't deserve to be in there. | ||
| It's not a compromise situation. | ||
| This is a life or death situation for our nation. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There is no other option. | ||
| No compromise. | ||
| Either they shut it down, and I mean shut it down, or shut down the money. | ||
| Shut down the government. | ||
| It's the only thing they understand. | ||
| Ben, I know you've got to get down to Eagle Pass. | ||
| Where can people track you? | ||
| You're going to be on tomorrow, hopefully set up in time to open the show. | ||
| Where do people track you, brother? | ||
| Yeah, at Ben Burquam on all social media, and then americasvoice.news, of course, Law & Border. | ||
| We've got a new episode coming out, and frontlineamerica.com for all of my website and articles. | ||
| By the way, incredible package right there. | ||
| Incredible footage just put together this afternoon. | ||
| Just a typical day. | ||
| Berkram didn't get a call from Border Patrol saying, hey, you gotta come, that's a long line. | ||
| This is just every day, and they're exacerbating this because they want to get it done before Trump gets into office. | ||
| So the House has to step up. | ||
| Mike Johnson, you gotta grow a set, a big set of titanium, and you gotta do it. | ||
| Berkram, thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Man, we got so much to go through. | ||
| If I can ask Denver and my crack staff here to put up that Guardian story. | ||
| Guardian has a story off a Washington Post. | ||
| It's the one about 40%. | ||
| They say a third of the nation. | ||
| Actually, the numbers right at 40% of the American people. | ||
| Let me repeat this. | ||
| This is the Washington Post. | ||
| This is Jeff Bezos, Amazon, WaPo. | ||
| Their poll And the Guardian's got the story up in there in Meltdown, is that almost 40% of your fellow countrymen believe Joe Biden's illegitimate. | ||
| Let me repeat that. | ||
| 40% of, and this is their poll, I argue it's much higher, I argue it's over the majority, this is one of the reasons his numbers are collapsing, the other reason they didn't get 81 million votes, so there's no there there for support. | ||
| This is monumental. | ||
| As we start this incredibly powerful month, Nobody who was legitimate, nobody who loved this country would ever allow what's happening on the southern border. | ||
| And they're quite open about why they're here. | ||
| They're here because they want a better way of life. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| And it is quite frankly heart-rendering. | ||
| It's also totally irrelevant. | ||
| For asylum, wanting a better life has nothing to do with it. | ||
| They're very strict asylum laws. | ||
| And these are just being torn up in front of you. | ||
| In fact, the Biden regime announced, the Department of Justice announced, with all the crime going on in the country, all the corruption, the CCP, all of it, they announced that they're going to sue Texas for Texas putting this law in that the law enforcement can arrest the illegal alien invaders. | ||
| In this month of January, tomorrow I will get into the calendar in more detail. | ||
| As we break these things down, we're learning more information about it all the time. | ||
| This historic year of 2024, but particularly the month we're kicking off with. | ||
| But of that, and by the way, at the end of this month you're gonna have another four or five hundred thousand, six hundred thousand illegal alien invaders. | ||
| It's happening every day, non-stop, and here's why. | ||
| The folks understand they got one shot to get in here. | ||
| Why Biden's here, or before the Republicans shut it down, and so they're coming. | ||
| And when you hear the discussions they're having, Biden's having with Mexico, Biden's having internally, they're talking about amnesty. | ||
| They're talking about creating even a bigger magnet. | ||
| They're not making any preparations for the deportation that has to happen. | ||
| This is why, you know, Mike Johnson, what you need to do, brother, is grab that Bible and don't head to Eagle Pass, Texas. | ||
| We understand what we're going to see there. | ||
| What we'll do is we'll send Ben Burcombe up and we'll show you all the footage you need. | ||
| We know what's happening. | ||
| We know why it's happening. | ||
| This is really now just quite simple. | ||
| It's going to get to the thing itself, just the pure thing, the ether of it. | ||
| It's a test of wills. | ||
| Do you believe in the sovereignty of this country? | ||
| Do you believe in the sovereignty of this country and do you believe in the sovereignty of the citizens of this country? | ||
| Whatever their ethnicity is, their race, their education level, their income level, do you believe it? | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| If you believe in the sovereignty of this nation and the priority of that as a national security issue, you must shut down the border immediately. | ||
| It must be sealed, hermetically sealed. | ||
| Hermetically sealed. | ||
| And not one penny to this illegitimate, corrupt regime. | ||
| Not one freaking penny. | ||
| Not one. | ||
| Goes until it's sealed. | ||
| That's the fight you have to have now. | ||
| If you're not going to do that, what are you even up there for? | ||
| You need to have a sense of urgency. | ||
| The urgency is not in Eagle Pass, Texas. | ||
| Bro, we've been down there for years. | ||
| People can tell you about Eagle Pass. | ||
| We can tell you about all the issues. | ||
| You don't need to talk to a border patrol. | ||
| We don't need some frickin' photo op that you just put together a couple days before Christmas because you gotta think of something to do. | ||
| Get to Washington, D.C. | ||
| and force their hand. | ||
| Is this tough? | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| That's why you're in leadership. | ||
| That's why you're Speaker of the House. | ||
| The people around you. | ||
| This is why we're in this gym, because McCarthy, and for years, the controlled opposition, and Murdoch News, and all the Republicans, and how many times have you heard, shut down the border, border security, we need border security. | ||
| And here we are with 10 million minimum illegal alien invaders just since Biden arrived. | ||
| Because nobody had the stones to throw down and say, we're not doing this anymore. | ||
| This is a defining moment for this republic. | ||
| This month is going to be a month of a tremendous historical Uh, events and interest. | ||
| And they'll talk about this month for decades to come. | ||
| That's why the Warren posse, we're going to ride and we're going to ride hard. | ||
| Because we're not going to back off this on one iota. | ||
| We can't. | ||
| You might as well just say, hey, the country's over if we do that. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We'll return to war in just a moment. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| All this chaos. | ||
| He gave you four years of peace and prosperity, and particularly gave you a hard three up until the Chinese hit us with a bioweapon. | ||
| Think about that time. | ||
| Think about 19, particularly 18 and 19, when the program really started to kick in and the economic program. | ||
| Tomorrow, I don't have time today, but I'm going to get into tomorrow. | ||
| I commit to you. | ||
| The, if you see this, what's happening on the border and this lawlessness and this anarchy and this chaos directed into our country, when not only don't we need it, it's like, it's, it's bizarre. | ||
| They're doing it to destroy the fabric of this country. | ||
| There can't be any other explanation. | ||
| And they sit there and gaslight you. | ||
| Oh, the border's secure. | ||
| On the other hand, they've concocted, they understand because of this audience, we have stopped, deadened its track, any money going to Ukraine. | ||
| And now all you hear in the story is that people in Ukraine don't want to fight for the country anymore. | ||
| They call it the toxic issue is the press gang of Zelensky and these guys are trying to get these 500,000 quote-unquote recruits. | ||
| Well, since they can't, since the American people are just saying, we can't spend more money in Ukraine. | ||
| We've got enough problems here. | ||
| We've got to seal the border. | ||
| They're going to take the $300 billion to $500 billion of Russian assets that they froze at the beginning of the war in our banks. | ||
| And they're going, remember, we didn't even, the Persians we still have, that's what they're, this whole thing about Biden was giving the Persians their money back from, from years ago. | ||
| They're now, and the Financial Times of London is supporting this. | ||
| They're saying they're going to convert those treasuries, because the Russians bought treasuries to keep as their reserves in our banks. | ||
| They're going to convert those treasuries into cash money and give it to the Ukrainians, essentially steal the money. | ||
| And this is about the prime reserve currency. | ||
| There is, we should have a debate about us being the prime reserve currency, but you can't do it in the middle of this firestorm with the BRICS where they're trying to de-dollarize. | ||
| That's why you've got to go to Birchgold. | ||
| This is why I've done this for a couple of years, the end of the dollar empire. | ||
| Because I could see this coming. | ||
| I could see the elites in this country are so lawless, so greedy, that they only care about feathering their own bed and the devil catch the hindmost. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| You would be the hindmost. | ||
| You need to get up to speed on this. | ||
| The end of the dollar empire. | ||
| Birch Gold. | ||
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| Tomorrow I'll be going through in detail of how this is going to impact your life. | ||
| You think de-dollarization? | ||
| The Saudis just signed up for BRICS today. | ||
| Our great allies. | ||
| The petrodollar. | ||
| The whole world's economy is kind of predicated on the petrodollar. | ||
| Or much of it. | ||
| They're moving every day to get off it. | ||
| To do trades directly in the nation's currency. | ||
| Particularly the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Mike Lindell, thank you for joining us. | ||
| Tell me about the specials. | ||
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| What do you got for us? | ||
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| So now you know why they came out and attacked me since August and attacked my pillow. | ||
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| Before I go, Mike, this is the impact you've had. | ||
| I just I don't know if you caught it. | ||
| The Guardian just came out with an analysis of the Washington Post poll that just came out and said that 40 percent, this is the Washington Post poll, 40 percent believe that Joe Biden's illegitimate. | ||
| Joe Biden's illegitimate. | ||
| You don't think we're winning this fight? | ||
| Hell yes, we're winning this fight. | ||
| That's where his number's in the tank. | ||
| That's where they're panicking. | ||
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| 70% know the elections are fixed and rigged. | ||
| 40% thinks he's illegitimate. | ||
| They didn't think Lincoln was illegitimate. | ||
| We fought a civil war over that. | ||
| They never questioned his legitimacy, they questioned his program. | ||
| Here we got a guy questioning the program because of the illegitimacy. | ||
| Crumb Carmichael, I'm getting all worked up. | ||
| You gotta help me out here. | ||
| You gotta help me out, bro. | ||
| Crumb Carmichael, how you doing? | ||
| I'm getting my blood pressure up. | ||
| I'm getting worked up. | ||
| Carol Swain got worked up and now I've got worked up. | ||
| Do I look rested to you? | ||
| I should. | ||
| Because I sleep on my pillow. | ||
| You look amazing. | ||
| I sleep on my pillow. | ||
| I have for a number of years. | ||
| I put one under my head and I hug you and I sleep great. | ||
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| Krom, Happy New Year, brother. | ||
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| Take that blood pressure down. | ||
| Okay, stick around. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Six o'clock is upon us. |
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