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clay higgins
Mr. Speaker, many times in the course of my life as a military police officer and a civilian police officer, I've had occasion to say, calm down, son.
I've heard your argument.
I feel your passion.
I understand your position.
But you're about to go too far.
Just calm down and step back.
That's what I advise my colleagues on both sides of the aisle today.
One of my brothers here, whom I love and respect, these men seated here, they're making a mistake, Mr. Speaker.
One of the gentlemen said we should be held to a higher standard.
I'm talking about the removal of a member of Congress of the American people to To believe that the opinions of congressmen is a higher standard than the deliberate vote of the American people?
Is a report from a committee a higher standard than the two-year election cycle as established by our founding fathers and enshrined in our Constitution?
Calm down.
unidentified
...that the Long Island crew is acting in bad faith, just exceedingly bad judgment.
And here's why.
Since the beginning of this Congress, there's only two ways you get expelled.
You get convicted of a crime, or you participated in the Civil War.
Neither apply to George Santos.
And so I rise not to defend George Santos, whoever he is, but to defend the very precedent that my colleagues are willing to shatter.
Now, let's speak to due process.
Mr. Santos hasn't been convicted of anything, but we haven't even moved to expel the people who have!
Mr. Bowman pled guilty to a misdemeanor for his little fire alarm stunt weeks ago.
So, like, while the Ethics Committee is marching to throw George Santos out of Congress, they take no action as to someone who actually pled guilty to a crime?
What's that all about?
And then there's all this talk about, well, he could have come and testified to the Ethics Committee, and he didn't.
So he had his due process.
But that belies the fact that he faces a trial, and had Mr. Santos testified before the Ethics Committee, an argument could have been made that he waived any of his rights that he would have had at trial that any American would enjoy.
So it was a procedural double bind that shouldn't be held against Mr. Santos as some sort of adverse inference.
Let's also talk about this precedent.
The fact pattern as to Mr. Santos is remarkably similar to the fact pattern of former representative Duncan Hunter.
Duncan Hunter used campaign money on girlfriends and trips and home improvements and all sorts of personal lavishes.
He was indicted for those crimes and continued to serve in Congress.
He pled guilty to a number of those crimes and continued to serve in Congress.
He was in Congress for like an additional pay period after having pled guilty to the very same things that Mr. Santos has been indicted for.
And so I think it's persuasive to me that Mr. Higgins and Mr. Nell's two law enforcement officials with sterling reputations are here Not necessarily to defend Mr. Santos, but to defend this precedent and this due process that is being shattered.
steve bannon
And I was struck when the author of this resolution said... Gates was amazing.
This very controversy over the expulsion of Santos.
We'll get more of that tomorrow.
It's Thursday, 30 November, Year of the Lord 2023.
We're going to start this six o'clock hour Or in the six o'clock hour, we're going to break down and talk about Henry Kissinger's life.
Dr. Bradley Thayer, who wrote Obit for War Room, is going to join me there.
But I've got Seb Gorka, Dr. Seb Gorka.
I know you've been down to see the president in Mar-a-Lago.
I want to get to all that in a moment, Seb, because I know you have some things to share with us.
But first, Henry Kissinger, give me give me your assessment.
sebastian gorka
Well, first things first, many happy returns of the day, belatedly.
Admiral Bannon, I know it was your birthday.
I think there was a suit you have to bring against the mainstream media because they reported that you were in your seventh decade.
That is not possible.
Maybe in your fifth decade, but happy birthday to you.
Loved your little interview with Tucker Carlson.
When it comes to Henry Kissinger, it's so weird, Steve.
Do you remember how A little bit like a fanboy.
He used to shuffle around the West Wing when we worked in the Trump White House.
Do you remember that?
steve bannon
Oh, do I ever.
Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified
Yes, do I ever.
steve bannon
And I remember, and I remember the people that brought him in to shuffle around, but we will leave those folks nameless right now.
sebastian gorka
All right, maybe, maybe for now, maybe at the six o'clock hour we can talk about that.
But it was so funny to see him shuffle around, kind of basking Attempting to bask in his own former glory inside the West Wing.
Look, I think you may have seen my post last night on social media.
I just found a flattering photograph of him from the 70s and I just said died at the age of 100.
I didn't even say R.I.P.
I just said Henry Kissinger.
Now I'm not of the ilk Some of the comments were quite outré on my posts, but I'm not of the ilk or like the demented late Christopher Hitchens who wanted to have the guy strung up on a scaffold in some kind of a makeshift war crimes tribunal for Cambodia and Laos.
Things happen in war.
It's the nature of war.
But there's one important legacy that we must not, we cannot for the sake of our nation, try and sweep under the carpet.
As far as I'm concerned, there's one person who's predominantly responsible for turning a third world backward feudal nation such as Communist China into our peer rival.
And that's Dr. Henry Kissinger.
I understand the exigencies of the Cold War and the need to drive a wedge between Moscow and Beijing, but the idea of getting Nixon to open to Communist China paved the way for what you fought and are continuing to fight, not just in the White House, but with war room.
We have.
You opened my eyes to this.
I was a counterterrorism guy.
I came into the White House, read the presidential daily briefings, and I realized soon enough, we'll deal with ISIS.
We'll deal with Iran.
We'll deal with Russia.
We'll even deal with little Kim.
The only peer competitive threat we face who wishes to replace us as a hegemonic power is communist China.
One Belt, One Road, 100th anniversary, 2048, it is Communist China.
And what people miss, and I'm sure you've said this a thousand times on your show, but it bears repeating.
Thanks to the likes of Kissinger planting the seed that we open to China and if we liberalize economically with them, if we trade with them, if we give them most favored nation status, that they will magically become like us.
As if, you know, giving dictators more money makes them less dictators.
What an asinine, childish analysis.
By the time we walked in the White House, people didn't realize, if you measure GDPs on purchasing parity, January 21st, 2017, China's economy was bigger than ours.
People need to understand, China was more powerful economically than America.
And we turned that around, thanks to you, thanks to Peter, thanks to the, you know, the chief Asia guy at the NSC.
We turned that around, but look at where we are right now, Steve.
steve bannon
Let me ask you about, because I'll only get you about five or six more minutes, I know you've got to bounce.
No, no, I'm good.
His concept, he and Graham Allison, and maybe, okay, maybe you tell the audience who Graham Allison is.
He and Graham Allison had this concept of Thucydides Trap back in the 70s.
It led to the rapprochement with the Soviet Union.
Reagan came in and said, let's take down the evil empire.
They've run the same scam again.
What's the Thucydides Trap?
Why was Kissinger obsessed with it?
And why is that really his legacy?
sebastian gorka
Wow, I'm gonna fess up here.
Before I knew better, back in 1998, I was a penniless grad student.
I was a fellow at the Kennedy School in Cambridge, in Harvard, and I took the last ever Essence of Decision-Making class with Graham Allison.
unidentified
So for a semester.
Wow.
steve bannon
Wow.
Dude, hold it.
That's almost a union card stamp for the deep state, bro.
Whoever went to that, you were like the high priest, the high priest of the strategist.
That was the high priesthood.
sebastian gorka
Can I just tell you a little bit about my former professor?
It was the last time he taught The Essence of Decision Making, which is his book on the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And he was rewriting it.
He was republishing it in 2000.
And he gave all of our students, there's about 12 of us in the room, the galleys.
And his teaching extended to each of us murder boarding his chapters week by week and pointing out the holes, he rewriting them and then publishing the last version, the last edition of the Essence of Decision Making.
Weirdly, he didn't thank any of us.
Anyway, that's academe.
I had a two-year fellowship at Harvard.
I so detested it.
I didn't need that union card.
I left after a year, and I left the deep status to continue what they were doing.
So, the Thucydides trap, which is, as you correctly identify, Professor Graham Allison's baby, is the tendency towards great powers to get involved in hegemonic activities and the inevitability of war, and exploded in popularity about About the time a certain former real estate mogul came down an escalator in Manhattan.
It led to a whole task force at Harvard, at the Belfer Institution.
But the argument is this.
It's just another version, Steve, of something that I credit with you popularizing, which is so important.
Managed decline.
The Thucydides trap is just a repackaging of the idea that America is waning.
We've got to avoid becoming hegemons ourselves and recognize the rise of others, whether it's BRICS, whether it's China.
It is an un-American attitude to the greatest nation on God's green earth, and that is the legacy of the deep state.
You did more than anyone else to make people understand both sides of the aisle, the establishment Republicans, the Democrats, all the talking heads at the Brookings Institution, at CSIS, on and on and on.
These individuals made a decision about the same time as Kissinger.
That the death of our superpower status is inevitable and the best we can do is to just dicker at the edges of the graphic equalizer as we manage the glide slope to irrelevance.
That, that belief, In the eventual death of America is why President Trump became president.
It's why Mille in Argentina.
It's why Maloney in Italy.
Because people said, no, that's bullshit.
We don't believe in that.
That's the legacy of the likes of Kissinger.
steve bannon
Let's take that declinism to the current war, the third Hamas war, the Muslim Brotherhood war right now.
America essentially hasn't won a war in 50 or 60 years, or longer, 80 years.
Has our focus on just managed decline and managing conflicts, is that infecting the situation in Israel, sir?
sebastian gorka
I was shocked by a guest I had on the show about two weeks ago.
I used to work at something called the Foundation for Defense of Democracy, which focused on the jihadi threat, and still does.
And I had their senior vice president on the show, a very smart guy called Jonathan Shanza.
And I didn't know the answer he was going to give me.
And I said, hey, Jonathan, what happened in Israel?
How did this happen?
How did Mossad, Shin Bet, how did they miss all this?
You know what he said to me?
He said the wokeism here, you know, the Mark Millies, the CRT, all of that wokeism we've been battling in America, in the deep state, in our military academies, that infected Israel.
He told me, this is a guy who's briefed the IDF, he said last year he was hearing from generals in the IDF the following, and maybe this will be familiar to you, Hamas is just a political entity.
They're not a religious identity, and we can negotiate with them.
steve bannon
Bingo.
sebastian gorka
That's IDF generals.
If you understand that, Steve, you understand why 1,400 men, women, and children were slaughtered.
steve bannon
Bingo.
Seb, we'd like to hold you through the break.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Seb Gorka, Dr. Seb Gorka, is going to join us on the other side.
We're going to talk about the ever-increasing and dangerous geopolitical landscape of America getting sucked into now a ever-increasing kinetic part of a third world war.
Short commercial break.
unidentified
Back in a moment.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
Seb, I want to go back for a second because I want the audience, this is about nomenclature and thinking things through.
Graham Allison is a very important guy.
The Destined for War is the new version of the Thucydides trap, but he and Kissinger set the strategic framework of how one was to think about Great power struggles.
This is why Reagan was such a breath of fresh air because he came in and said, with Dick Allen, says, hey, Dick, how about about this?
Who is his national security advisor?
We win, they lose.
Just very simple.
It's kind of like Trump.
Just get down to the essence of it.
The essence of decision, the essence of decision was literally the most important book written in that era because it trained a whole generation from the Naval War College to the National War College, Army War College,
Georgetown, everybody, Harvard, all the people that became strategists, went to the Pentagon, went to the Deep State, went to the White House, the National Security, they were all trained to think about how one makes decisions off of the framework that Graham Allison put into how he overlaid it to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
This book was a seminal book, and this is why he and Kissinger There are such lasting figures, whether you like them or not, don't like them, is not really relevant.
They had a massive, massive impact on how America faces the world, sir.
sebastian gorka
It's really weird, Steve.
I can't wait.
You agreed to come on my show again.
We're going to do an end-of-year review.
But this is the stuff.
You and I get so excited about this stuff, the geopolitical stuff, as Colin Gray called it, the strategic culture of a nation.
Every nation has a different strategic culture, how they think about national security.
But we get it.
And we see through it, but we're not part of the people who propagate it.
It's a very weird position to be in.
You know, being in that classroom with Alison, you being at, you know, Goldman Sachs, and then you going and understanding how these people think, the globalists, and then we leave that and we actually connect and explain all of this garbage that has distorted American interests to the people who really matter, the people who fight our wars and get deployed.
But to drill down on this, it's such an important point.
Essence of decision-making.
Now, after, you know, you've read the original Thucydides, a bit of Clausewitz, and they didn't even read Sun Tzu because, you know, whatever, ethnocentric.
Essence of decision-making was the most important book in the last 40 years, and it drilled into our decision-makers the political elite, the wonks, the think tankers, and even the flag officers, that it's mechanistic.
That strategy, you know, if I had to go to another flipping lecture on the prisoner's dilemma and its application to nuclear war, you know, the asinine mechanistic Herman Kahn acolytes of the world, when really it's very simple.
Power.
Do you understand national interest and power?
You're not mapping out decision trees.
You're expressing to your enemy, look, If you threaten me, I will turn you into a sheet of glass.
If you want to be my buddy, I'll work with you.
Remember what we said in the White House?
You know, I stole that phrase from the Marine Corps.
What's special about the Trump administration when it comes to national security?
I didn't do charts of the prisoner's dilemma or decision-making theory.
I said, no better friend, no worse enemy.
The original Thucydides.
Nations only act on the basis of what, Steve?
National interest, fear, and honor.
Nothing has changed in the last 4,000 years.
Nothing.
You can focus on UAVs and cyber warfare, but only those three things matter.
Honor, national interest, and fear.
But the Graham Allison's of the world, the Kissinger's, oh my gosh, Steve, diplomacy?
His PhD thesis on Bismarck.
What a book!
That book should be used as a doorstop, as a door, you know, a doorjamb.
Nothing else.
But these are the people that the intelligentsia worshipped.
And really, you know what?
Here's the bottom line.
It's because of people like him, and both of them, that we haven't won a war for 60 years.
Is that unfair, Steve?
I don't think it is.
steve bannon
No, it's not.
That's why the culture of victory, you talk about a strategic culture.
The United States went from a nation that had never lost a war to a nation that can't even conceive by our political military elite, the ones that Trump rejected, of even how to actually have victory.
sebastian gorka
The absurdity, Steve, that we have to have some weird semi-autistic CEO from South Africa Tell us, oh, oh yeah, what do you do with terrorists?
You kill them all.
Why does it take, you know, the Elon Musk's of the world, who've never worn a uniform, to give us the strategic clarity?
Yeah, you kill babies, you kill women, we're gonna kill every single one of you.
It's not really complicated.
And the fact that Elon is the only one, it's not Mark Milley who's saying it, it's not Jake Sullivan, it's the owner of Twitter.
What a weird world we live in.
steve bannon
Seb, how do people get to all your content?
I can't wait to do the show over the next couple weeks.
Always our year-end strategic review over Dr. Gorka.
How do people get to all your content?
sebastian gorka
Super fun.
Can't wait to have you with us, Steve.
Just look for Sebastian Gorka, Seb Gorka, all the usual platforms, through social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parler, Getter.
The website is sebgawker.com.
The substack with unique content from me is Sebastian Gawker, one word, the full name, sebastiangawker.substack.com.
And sadly, more relevant than ever, the first book that got me to the White House is Defeating Jihad, and the most recent book after I left the White House is The War for America's Soul.
Just look me up online, follow me, and friends, be safe out there.
steve bannon
Dr. Gorka, thank you so much for joining us on your Thursday afternoon hit on The War Room.
Appreciate it, brother.
Seb Gorka.
Boy, he must have been the most popular guy in that seminar at Harvard, don't you think?
Maybe not.
With Graham Allison and the crew.
Congressman Tim Burchett.
Congressman, I know you're jammed for time.
We're getting confusing signals here.
You're one of the biggest and toughest hawks on the deficit and on spending.
All kind of conflicting messages come out.
I saw something the other day that our beloved and revered Speaker Johnson might be thinking of a Year-long CR?
Please tell me it ain't so, Joe.
tim burchett
Well, I just talked to a member of the liberal media, and they were asking me that same dadgum thing, and I hope not.
I won't be voting for it.
You know, we've just gone down this same road of funding Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer's policies, and America needs to wake up.
I mean, we can't even impeach Mayorkas, for goodness sakes.
We've got We just had testimony, you know, the hundreds, over a hundred thousand kids they've lost.
They've lost that came over our border.
We've allowed, it's just unbelievable.
We allow them to make these, these excuses and then Republicans.
steve bannon
Hold it.
What do you mean?
What do you mean we've lost?
They've actually admitted that we can't find a hundred thousand of the children that came across there on the invasion?
tim burchett
Yeah, but that's not the point.
I mean, that is the point, but when you talk about it, they'll, they try to spin it.
Well, that's not the point.
You know, they start, it's the cages that Trump created to put these kids in, which were actually Obama did.
The media just can't get their head out of their ass long enough to, to, to Google it, to actually find out what it is.
steve bannon
How can we, how can we, how can we expect, America to wake up if our leadership and particularly McCarthy's gone because of the debt ceiling deal essentially that eventually caught up with him.
We just passed 33 trillion on September 18th.
We're going to pass 34 trillion before December 18th.
We're at 33 point.
I think 85 right now.
We've got 125 or 150 billion to go.
Within 90 days, we'll add another trillion.
I don't understand, what are guys like Johnson and leadership, what's so complicated about this?
This is, we gotta get back like we dealt with the Russians.
You gotta clarify by simplifying.
We need massive cuts.
What don't these guys understand?
tim burchett
I think Johnson understands it, and the majority of the Republicans do, but there's quite a few that don't.
And they're, you know, they're putting their own political Well, you know, they're putting their political future ahead of the country's future is what it is, Mr. Bannon.
They vote for garbage for their districts and all these crazy policies that cost us billions of dollars and it just gets them re-elected.
And then they run home the last six weeks and play the fiscal conservative card and vote against some stupid bill that doesn't fund crosswalks or something.
And then they run for re-election on it.
We don't have the guts to do it.
Part of the problem we've got, honestly, Mr. Bannon, I've talked to five different Republicans who said that McCarthy funded the campaigns against them.
These are conservative Republicans.
And so he helped fund liberal Republicans against them.
So what that tells me is there are others in the conference or in the caucus Can you?
are liberal, and he helped get in office, that we left the conservative person who could have won, but he was afraid of it. I'm finding out that a lot of these folks are backdooring the conservative cause, and all they are about is staying in power. That's all they're about, staying in power, staying and drawing that check and having that power one more day, and screw the country. And that's what they're doing. I mean, you look at some of these folks
steve bannon
in office.
We've got about a minute here.
Do you, do you, do you, do you anticipate that you guys are going to leave town on the 14th or 15th and go home and then come back in the new year?
Or you'll work through the holidays?
tim burchett
I say work through the holidays.
You know, if you got a, you got an ox in the ditch, you get it out.
And I'm in no rush.
They're having a Winston Churchill reception.
I just heard that I thought Winston Churchill was going to be there.
I talked to some of the younger members, but apparently he's not.
So, um, um, I'm, I'm gonna, I'll stay on with you.
steve bannon
Okay, we appreciate that.
Why don't you hang over to come back after a short commercial break.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
Congressman Burchett, you've been adamant from the beginning you were voting against everybody.
And you said, hey, I'm voting against everybody because I don't see a plan here to save the nation's balance sheet or to stop this madness that's going on up here.
And you looked at it kind of as a bellwether in this topic.
We've only got a couple of minutes.
Are you, are people, is there any sense of urgency up there?
Are you seeing numbers?
Because it was leaked, I think in Politico, that Speaker Johnson, in a meeting with the Senate, the Senate, and you know how evil McConnell and these guys are, they're talking about a one-year CR.
No, and that's what scares me about it because this stuff leaks out.
And because the Republicans are so afraid to shut down the government, they would actually agree to a one-year CR.
And whether that was Pelosi numbers or slightly below, it'd be another $2 trillion deficit.
So are you seeing any numbers?
Are they running anything by you?
tim burchett
No, and that's what scares me about it, because this stuff leaks out.
I knew that they were meeting at the White House yesterday for about a six or seven hour meeting.
And then and now we're hearing about this.
So it makes me very suspicious of what's going on.
And the numbers, the devil's in the details, as you know.
And if we have a continuation of the spending and the poor performance, I mean, that means open border, unlimited IRS agents, you know, working from home, the whole deal, the whole deal.
It's not just, it's not just the money, it's everything that it funds.
And all the crazy programs.
So yeah, I'm very much alarmed by this.
When I see Speaker Johnson, he and I are going to have a talk.
steve bannon
Okay, you'll do some reconnoiter for us and report back to your massive fan base here at the War Room in Eastern Tennessee?
You'll do that for us?
tim burchett
Yes sir, promise you.
steve bannon
We will send Congressman Burchett then on his mission.
Sir, thank you very much.
What's your social media?
Particularly your Twitter is like Mike Davis's.
It's a little, it's kind of lively.
tim burchett
Yeah, it's blowing up, man.
Thanks to you.
It's at Tim Burchett.
T-I-M-B-U-R-C-H-E-T-T.
And there it is.
Okay, we're hearing a lot of rumors.
and mama. So thank you brother. Thank you so much. Mr. Bannon.
Thanks for putting the truth out there.
steve bannon
We're over the target. Thank you, Congressman. I appreciate it. You got it. Amen. Thank you, sir.
Okay. We're hearing a lot of rumors. Now, listen, I think the Ukraine thing is in trouble, but man, they are scared to death about shutting down the government.
Okay. Big news. Another huge story just popped on The Guardian on this very topic.
Let's play the cold open.
I'm gonna bring in Raheem Kassam and Mike Davis.
This outright hate of anybody that's not Muslim, sir?
raheem kassam
Yeah, I mean it's something that he's The weird thing about Mehdi Hassan is that he was the political editor of a magazine called The New Statesman, and at some point in time, they parted ways.
And I suspect it was because of this that they parted ways.
And that's when he joined The Huffington Post, and then he joined Al Jazeera, of course, you know, the Qatari political uh... mouthpiece and and you didn't see him being moved into the mainstream uh... here in the united states via msnbc it's very bizarre because this is never been addressed by msnbc this is never addressed by huffington post i think i think a couple of years ago mary hassan was asked about it and he said oh yeah you know i said some dumb things in my twenties
Some dumb things?
I mean, you're condemning to hell everybody that is not a Muslim.
That is Islamic extremism.
That is the propagation of Islamic extremism, the definition to which we have known it, you know, throughout the global war on terror.
That entire time in history, Mehdi Hassan should have and would have been called an Islamic hate preacher and should have been treated like that.
And he is now a lead anchor on MSNBC.
That is the person that we're talking about here.
steve bannon
Now, hang on.
And the reason I watch him, he does, you know, he's one of the ones that has absolutely targeted the MAGA movement.
This whole show has been about the targeting of the MAGA movement.
He is the leader in this whole domestic, these are domestic terrorists.
That's interesting.
How did the advertiser, I imagine the advertisers are quite uncomfortable with his recent background as a hate monger against all non-Muslims.
I take it they're very uncomfortable.
Would that be correct?
raheem kassam
Well they should be.
They should be.
But you know, not a peep from big corporate advertising on MSNBC about this.
You know, nothing.
What we need to talk about is the projection he's doing here, because he's ready to hurl around, oh, this guy's intolerant, this guy's Hitler, these people, you know, this cadre of listless vessels or deplorables or whatever you want to call them, are the domestic extremists and need to be treated as such.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, in the not so distant past, Mehdi Hassan was proselytizing in mosques around the United Kingdom, telling people that they need to reject non-Muslims as cattle, as animals, and saying that they have no moral standard. He said in that clip that we played that only Islam, only Muslims have moral high ground.
So I want answers out of MSNBC on this.
I want answers out.
I mean, where are the, where are the, uh, you know, check my ads people?
Where are the sleeping giants people?
Are they going off to the corporate advertisers on MSNBC and saying, Hey, you've got basically a crazy hook handed cleric on your network.
Okay.
Like maybe we have to have a conversation about that.
unidentified
We talked about how there is misinformation everywhere.
Everyone has lied.
We've got the media lying.
We've got our government lying.
steve bannon
We've got the IDF lying.
unidentified
We've got Hamas lying.
Social media is a conveyor belt of lies.
Where can people actually go to find what is actually happening?
raheem kassam
Well, obviously, Sunday 8 p.m.
unidentified
live MSNBC, on the show called The Mary Hudson Show, which is very opinionated, but very factual.
steve bannon
That was last night, I think.
Bring in Rahim first, because he's actually head of marketing.
Mike Davis took a big blow today, because he was actually driving traffic to Mike Davis.
Rahim, what happened today?
Last night, on The Daily Show, he still didn't obviously know it, he was pitching his show on Sunday night.
raheem kassam
Yeah, that's right, Steve.
It feels like a long time ago.
It wasn't that long ago since that segment where we discussed the intolerance of Mehdi Hassan, to put it mildly.
But I have no tears, no crocodile tears, no real tears, no nothing for this man who has masqueraded as a small L liberal now in the United Kingdom, in the United States, for about the past 10 years.
I hate to take the credit for this because I understand other people are trying at the moment too, but we have been chasing down this guy with the clips of the things that he has said over his career since I think the first story we put up about it was about 2009, 2010, right?
So we're now 13 years into showing the world... Hold it, hold it.
steve bannon
People should know.
People should know.
He's been hating on Rahim when Rahim was a young buck back in England, right when I took over Byber.
This guy was one of your... No, it's not intolerance.
This guy is a flat-out hater, and I keep telling people this is not about the Jews or Jewish people or Israel.
This is about Western civilization.
He's a flat-out hater.
Am I incorrect in that, Rahim Kassam?
raheem kassam
We only have to look at the people who are lamenting the cancellation of his show on MSNBC, as he said right there, 8pm on Sunday nights, no longer going to be there.
Look at the people who are lamenting.
You get all of these, I mean I was reading the Guardian article, I've been looking at the messages posted on social media all day, they are all people who are avowedly anti-Christian, Anti-Western, anti-America, yes anti-Israel, but like you say, that is a small tranche of what these people stand for.
It's a small tranche of what Mehdi Hassan has historically stood for.
And I've got to tell you, they're making the case that, oh, this was a ratings issue and he just wasn't rating very well.
Well I could have told them that he wasn't going to rate very well.
This was more than that.
They found out, they found out through the war room, they found out through all the people who have been working on this and exposing this guy, they found out what they had really hired and I'm telling you, after that segment aired that you just played, they ran a country mile from this guy.
steve bannon
One guy that is lamenting, though, is our red-headed Irishman, Mike Davis.
Mike, and this is by, it just wasn't hating on Rahim and guys fighting the good fight against radical Islam.
He started hating on the MAGA movement.
He targeted Trump, but he also targeted the MAGA movement.
He specifically targeted you.
Walk us through your relationship with him.
mike davis
Well, I am very disappointed that Mehdi Hamas Hassan is getting kicked off MSNBC because he has become the Article 3 Project's biggest fundraiser since he ran 30 minutes of hits on the Article 3 Project and me, and then, you know, other MSNBC goofballs ran another 10-plus minutes, so they ran like 40 minutes of hits On the Article 3 project.
So it sounds like Mehdi Hamas Hassan has more time since he's been fired, so he can do one of two things.
Maybe Hamas can hire him.
He's been doing volunteer spokesman work for Hamas for a long time.
We might put him on the Article 3 project's board of directors, because again, no one's raised more money for the Article 3 project than Mehdi Hamas Hassan.
steve bannon
Rahim, to Mike's point, and really going after Davis and Maga, is there a deeper lesson for us to learn here about when a guy crosses a line?
And did he cross a line with his support of the Muslim Brotherhood, and I think actually being a part of the Muslim Brotherhood?
Was that the line that was crossed?
It clearly wasn't ratings.
They have shows up there all the time that don't rate, but they drive the narrative.
And he was a guy that did drive the narrative.
So what's the deeper lesson here?
raheem kassam
Yeah, look, I think no doubt in the last couple of weeks, especially since Hamas's terror attack on Israel, there has been an intense amount of scrutiny on things like Mehdi Hassan has been saying.
His interview with one of the IDF spokesmen was very, very well watched for the wrong reasons, right?
For the reasons that kind of elevated his rhetoric, his allegiances, Right to the forefront of what I believe Peacock and MSNBC will have been panicking about, which is, hold on a minute.
We've got somebody not just employed by the network, right?
Not just somebody who's in the green room hanging out.
He's not just on the news desk.
He's live front and center.
As he said, there he was plugging his 8 p.m.
show.
He is a star, was a star, of that network.
And I think they looked at all of that stuff put together, with the clips that we brought back.
Remember, if people haven't seen it yet, you need to go back and watch the things this guy was saying.
We've got it all up at the National Pulse.
It's all over social media.
Mehdi Hasan live himself on camera talking about how non-Muslims, that's all non-Muslims, that's Christians, Jews, atheists, you name it, are cattle, they have no brains, they are people of no intelligence.
He was repeating this over and over again, and sure enough, given his rhetoric over the past couple of weeks, conflating that with his past statements.
I mean, listen, he's done this everywhere he's gone, and every time they figure out who he really is, he's given the heave-ho.
steve bannon
Why did he specifically target you?
What was it about you and your work that rattled him so much that he went after you time and time again?
mike davis
I think it's because I'm such a charming guy.
He came after us because Article 3 Project has been pretty effective at calling out the lawfare by the left.
They ran this lawfare against President Trump and they thought they were going to take out President Trump with their two bogus impeachments, their four bogus indictments, their Two illegal gag orders.
They're trying to bankrupt Trump in New York and I, you know, at the Article 3 Project, we've been fighting this constantly and I started to troll them and say that, you know, what would it look like when Trump is back in office and I'm the acting Attorney General and we start doing to the Democrats what they're doing to Trump, Trump's attorneys, Trump's top aides like you, Steve Bannon, Trump supporters on January 6th,
Christians praying outside of abortion clinics, parents outraged at school board meetings about gender chaos and the resulting rapes in high school bathrooms, while the Biden Justice Department ignores these BLM and Antifa and Hamas supporters who are terrorizing America, and they're ignoring Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and James Biden and every other scumbag Biden Who's on the take?
There's foreign bribery and corruption all over the world.
How would they like a politicized and weaponized justice system against them like they're doing to us?
steve bannon
Mike, where do people get you on Article 3?
How do they get to you?
mike davis
It's article3project.org, article3project.org, at article3project, at article3project, on Getter, Twitter, Truth, and my personal is at M-R-D-D-M-I-A.
M-R-D-D-M-I-A.
unidentified
And good work, Rahim, on this.
steve bannon
Congratulations, though, also, Mike.
Hassan is gone.
unidentified
Rahim's gonna stick with us through... Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
We're going to talk about Henry Kissinger and his legacy at the top of the next hour.
I'm going to have Dr. Bradley Thayer with me.
I want to make sure when we talk about the CCP, two things.
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Zurich has got a magnificent article up today.
I still have not put it up because I've been working away getting ready for this show.
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Make sure you talk to Philip Patrick and the team and ask them a question.
Why are the Bricks Nation, this new geopolitical alignment, why are they buying gold at record numbers in 2223?
Led by the Chinese Communist Party, and we are working on a central bank digital currency.
Ask them that, okay?
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ChaseMedical.com Rahim, there's articles that France is in civil war.
I put up one today from The Telegraph.
You've got the Swedish Democrats talking about, we've got to take down mosques in Sweden.
Gert Wilders just had a blowout win in the Netherlands.
You've got the Dublin mothers that are trying to protect their girls, their young girls from being attacked by guys from North Africa that have been imported into the country.
Mehdi Hassan was at the, he was at the center of that, of stirring up that hate.
What do you have to say to this audience about what to think about what's happening in Europe right now and what is coming to the United States of America, sir?
raheem kassam
Yeah, Steve, you know, we have a tendency of thinking in, you know, short-term election cycles, two years, four years, whatever, but we're still living in that world that we were living in when, you know, the Rotherham story was first breaking.
You know, so many things have not changed.
Very little has changed in terms of the policing in England and the way that those mostly Muslim, mostly Pakistani grooming gangs operate and still operate to this day, by the way.
Very few lessons, if any, were learned from that.
You're now seeing that taking place in Ireland as well.
The mothers of Ireland, the fathers of Ireland, the sons of Ireland, they are taking to the streets, they are barricading their streets in some instances because they are trying to make the point that no more, no more, not even no more, but it's time to start repatriating these people.
It's time to start Mass deporting the people who have come here, refuse to learn the language, they don't have jobs, they're welfarists for the most part, and typically involved in criminal activity at some level, right?
Whether that's low-level criminal activity, whether that is the 50,000 Murders, rapes, robberies, you name it, that the German police reported last year were committed by foreign nationals in the country.
This is taking place all across Europe, all across the borderless Europe that was bragged upon by the people in the European Parliament that I used to rub shoulders with back when Nigel Farage and I would go there, making these same points back in 2013 and 2014 and 2015 and we saw the light.
Yeah.
In 2016, the country saw the light in 2016 and voted to leave the European Union.
But what did the UK government do?
No, it imported another 600,000 people last year.
So if only European populist nationalist parties could coalesce and could get along with each other, they would absolutely run the tables in Europe, like I suspect Donald Trump is going to run the tables here in the United States next year.
steve bannon
Rahim, now more than ever, people need to go to National Pulse.
I mean, you guys are on fire and you've got such a deep understanding of this.
Where do people go to get to National Pulse?
raheem kassam
Yeah, thenationalpulse.com is the URL.
We encourage everybody to sign up and support our work.
We are 100% people funded.
That's thenationalpulse.com forward slash war room to sign up for yourself.
Or, as you see on your screens right now, if you are interested in buying a gift membership for a friend, maybe you're already a member, maybe, you know, Christmas time's coming up, you can go to thenationalpulse.com forward slash gift I can think of no better present to give people than real news, real information, ready in time for the weaponized process that we're all going to go through next year.
It is a critical point in Western civilization, and we are here, you know, not just to commentate, right?
Not just to talk to you via the camera, but we do the hard work of actual news reporting day in and day out.
I'm blessed with a brilliant team.
We want to grow that team.
TheNationalPulse.com forward slash war room to help us do that.
steve bannon
It's days like today when you get a scalp, Raheem, that I feel so proud of the years beating you about the head and shoulders to get the best out of you, because your best is pretty daggone good.
Raheem Kassam, thank you very much, brother, for everything you do.
raheem kassam
Thanks, Steve.
Cheers.
steve bannon
An extraordinary young man right there.
His record, and if you read his books, No Go Zone, the Enoch Powell book, this is a smart, tough guy that gets things done.
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