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WarRoom Battleground EP 385: US Advising Ukraine On How To Spend Aid
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
I rise to raise a question.
unidentified
and they can't handle the truth.
War Room, Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
matt gaetz
I rise to raise a question.
What was the secret side deal on Ukraine?
House Democrats and President Biden have said that as Speaker McCarthy was asking Republicans to vote for a continuing resolution so as to avoid having to take the Senate's plus-up in Ukraine money, that the Speaker of the House was actually cutting a side deal to bring Ukraine legislation to this floor with President Biden and House Democrats.
So, let me get this straight.
To extend Joe Biden's spending and Joe Biden's policy priorities, the Speaker of the House gave away to Joe Biden the money for Ukraine that Joe Biden wanted.
It is going to be difficult for my Republican friends to keep calling President Biden feeble while he continues to take Speaker McCarthy's lunch money in every negotiation.
The Speaker of the House has responded to these reports of a secret side deal on money for Ukraine, opaquely stating that he still wants to fund Ukraine and our border.
I have a few replies to this statement.
First, the Speaker's statement confirms the existence of a secret deal.
And I have talked to members of our own leadership who have said they didn't even know That Speaker McCarthy was negotiating a secret side deal outside of our conference, outside of his own leadership team, for the sake of Ukraine.
Second, Ukraine has lost the support of a majority of the majority.
The last time there was a freestanding Ukraine vote on this floor, it was last week.
101 Republicans voted for it.
117 Republicans voted against it.
According to the Hastert rule, which Speaker McCarthy agreed to in January, you cannot use Democrats to roll a majority of the majority, certainly on something as consequential as Ukraine.
So for all the crocodile tears about what may happen later this week about a motion to vacate, working with the Democrats is a yellow brick road that has been paved by Speaker McCarthy.
Whether it was the debt limit deal, the CR, or now the secret deal on Ukraine.
Third, this is swampy log rolling.
The American people deserve single subject bills.
I get that a lot of folks might disagree with my perspectives on the border or on Ukraine.
But can we at least agree that no matter how you feel about Ukraine or the southern border, they each deserve the dignity of their own consideration and should not be rolled together where they might pass?
steve bannon
Hold that Memphis.
I'm going to come back and ask for the conclusion of that.
That's where he says he puts McCarthy on notice.
I'm going to bring in Natalie.
Natalie, you're one of the top investigative reporters in town.
You've done such an amazing job on so many complex topics.
I can't figure out, and I say this seriously, I can't figure out, there's something so dark about Ukraine.
We've been at this for years now, all this stuff pops up.
Tell me about your, you've got an exclusive report out right now, tell me about it.
natalie winters
Sure, well as you always say, you know, make it, make Since I think we talked a lot about managed decline on this show, but frankly, I think what we're seeing with Ukraine really is the accelerated decline of this country.
And in part, it has to do with toppling what is going on in Ukraine.
We've seen that since 2014 with all the color revolutions going on there.
I'd be remiss not to point out Victoria Nuland's close interactions with all of that going down because she's an important name for the story that I just published.
But on the other side of the Ukraine grift, beyond the Ukrainian oligarchs embezzling or doing whatever they're doing with our taxpayer dollars, on the domestic side of things, a lot of consulting firms that are linked to the White House, and some of really the highest level in terms of who they're linked to, whether that be Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, are actively involved, in other words, advising
the Ukrainian government on how to spend the billions, and I think we're close to $113 billion now, in taxpayer aid that Ukraine has received from various departments under Joe Biden's tenure.
But what's so curious, and I think why people need to go to warrooms.org to read this story, is not just the brazen... Hold it.
unidentified
Do we have this?
steve bannon
Does Memphis have this story?
Hang on.
Slow down.
Slow down.
I'm so shocked about this.
Put the article up.
You're making my head blow up already.
Audience, I want you angry about this.
I want you to embrace what Natalie's telling you.
Just hit rewind and give me that again because, you know, Zelensky had the secret meeting up on Wall Street with Ackman and at least guys from Fink's group and Schwarzman about the trillion dollars it's going to take to rebuild it.
They're already putting your pension fund money there.
But this is actually, and I just saw an AP story that had the same thing.
AP story said $40 billion.
It's not $40 billion.
They carved this up to try to make as little as possible.
It's $113 to $120 billion right now before we get to the secret deal that he's done.
Of that $120 billion, of that cash flow, Are you telling me that people that are close to Newland and to Blinken and this crowd are actually in consulting firms that are guiding where this money goes?
natalie winters
Yeah, and not just close or proximal.
I mean, quite literally, the co-founder of the consulting firm that is writing white papers on how Ukraine should best leverage its foreign aid.
I'm of course talking about the infamous West Exec Advisors.
People may know this firm as the one that caught a lot of mainstream attention for being responsible for staffing some of the highest levels, but even junior level too.
Really a large contingent of the Biden White House in the early days.
And West Exec was actually co-founded by Antony Blinken and Michelle Flournoy.
But what's so interesting about her ties to all of this is that there was what was called the Kiev Security Compact.
And if you read through it, and this is why people need to read the story, not only does it actually admit and outline what their end goal in Ukraine is, which is a multi-decade approach to foreign aid.
In other words, the United States will be on the hook.
We will be responsible for funding Ukraine's military.
And they go list chapter and verse all of the ridiculous things they want.
I don't even think the United States military is armed that well.
But they list through.
But what's so interesting, too, is that Michelle Flournoy, on the opposite side of things, like you were talking about Wall Street, this firm also advises, you know, CEOs from some of America's and the world's leading corporations and companies.
So she did a whole entire media round where she admits to advising Western CEOs on how to approach the Ukraine-Russia conflict, of course telling them to take a hardcore stance, a hardcore position, aligning themselves with Ukraine.
But if you keep reading a lot of these strategy papers, again, the other firm that I'm talking about in the article is Albright Stonebridge Group.
This is a firm where Victoria Newland used to serve as a former senior counselor there.
But even our current ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, was a counselor there.
And curiously, a lot of people who are in the State Department who work on Eastern European affairs, whether it's the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs or the Secretary of State for Management and Resources, all of those people used to work at Albright Stonebridge Group too.
And we saw not too long ago that they published a white paper, they were recently acquired by Denton's, But outlining how they think a policy called land value capture should be instituted in Ukraine for them to basically use Western funds, use our taxpayer dollars to improve public infrastructure in Ukraine.
And they talk about how allegedly it should be the Ukrainian people who are then pocketing the upside of those investments.
But I think you and I know well enough that ain't gonna happen in Ukraine.
And I think the real tell here At least in that paper, is that they admit, they say, war, conflict, what is the ongoing conflict, presents a window of opportunity to achieve changes that would otherwise not be possible.
And that's basically a direct quote.
I'm paraphrasing slightly.
But when you talk about why these people want to continue this war and what the upside is, I mean, this story explains it.
And real quick, Steve, too, just to link it to development, I think a few months ago, if you remember, there was this sort of mass move, this blitz, where a lot of other DC-based law firms and lobbyists were registering under FARA to work on behalf of the Ukrainian government.
I mean, dozens of people trouncing registrations, even that I've seen recently, for the Chinese Communist Party.
And it's just very, very curious to me that you see this massive lobbying push, because Ukraine, they don't have the money, the funds to be paying these people, right?
The only money that they're getting, the only incoming, is really coming from the United States, right?
From foreign aid from these Western countries.
So, I think it just sort of begs the question as to, you know, who is paying the salaries of whether they're foreign lobbyists, the people who are mounting the presence here in D.C.?
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on.
I want you to hold on a second.
I'm bringing Congressman Biggs.
This is one question before I bring in Congressman Biggs.
Did you say in your investigative report That the White Paper said they've already laid out this is a multi-decade approach.
This would be a multi-decade approach from our State Department.
natalie winters
So that comes from the consulting group that is linked to Antony Blinken, and they want us to enter into a joint partnership with Ukraine, the United States, and a couple other Western countries to create, like you said, that's a direct quote, a multi-decade approach to foreign aid.
And they list through what they want, whether it's weapons, they want a defense force that includes Ukrainians starting 18 years old and above to do mandatory training exercises with their Western counterparts.
The list of demands is absolutely crazy.
And the buried lead is that they admit in this paper, Michel Flournoy, again, who was considered almost to potentially be secretary of state, but it was Antony Blinken's co-founder, that they're actively consulting and liaising with political leaders, academic leaders, media leaders in the West to try to bring about this, to try to make this happen.
And we know the Biden regime doesn't have a good track record of registering with the Foreign Agent Registrations Act.
And we know the Biden regime doesn't have a good track record of registering with the Foreign Agent Registrations Act.
But I think the point is, is that a lot of these people right now are currently serving, maybe pro bono, I'm sure there's some financial upside for them, but they're trying to, I think, really ingratiate themselves in this Ukrainian reconstruction scheme, because they know, just like you see the Clinton Global Initiative trying to get involved in it too, they know there's gonna be a lot of money on the upside.
unidentified
But I think the point is, is that a lot of these people that they're actively consulting and liaising with political leaders, academic leaders, media leaders in the West to try to bring about this, to try to make this happen.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
The private meeting they had with Fink and the crowd up on Wall Street, Zelensky, that was the big meeting he went to.
This is a new business development opportunity.
That's why they're not taking cash right now.
Just hang on one second.
Let's bring in Congressman Andy Biggs of Arizona.
Congressman Biggs, there's a lot of running around and people talking.
The bond market is getting crushed again today.
I think the 30-year Treasury is over 4%, 4.5%.
Something like that.
a half percent, something like that.
The 10 years up there, the short termites, the inverted euro curve are up over five.
We're going to, I think, increase the borrowing cost another four or five hundred billion dollars.
We're trying to calculate right now, but we are at a point of no return.
My point is, I told you I'd say, we will never pay off one penny of the principal of the 33 trillion.
We're just going to add to that.
We're like somebody that's just barely making the credit card payment.
We're going to be scrambling to make the interest payments on what we've done here in a very short order, probably a year.
But we'll never pay off a penny of the 33 trillion and everything that's added to that.
Congressman Biggs, did McCarthy and this crowd up there get what they've done with the debt deal that they basically kowtowed to Biden on and what they've done on this obscene CR so that we just get back into the same process?
Do they understand what they've done to this nation?
andy biggs
Steve, in my opinion, they do not understand.
But the scarier part is I'm not sure they care.
The reality is this.
When you start talking about the spread there, Uh, you are, you're actually seeing the interest costs that we pay go above $700 billion.
And if that, that's the case, if it moves up a couple hundred, uh, million, three, $400 million, we're going to be well above the $700 billion mark, uh, having to pay interest next year.
And that'll be growing.
It's not shrinking.
A lot of people think, Oh, well, we're paying on the debt.
We're paying this.
No, this is not like a house where you're playing principal and interest.
This is just an interest only loan.
And it's going to continue to grow.
And what that does is the short term inflationary pressure is there, but the long term threat of insolvency follows.
Because as you get through inflation, that's the way they're going to take care of our national debt, Steve.
And when that happens, You're going to see people rolling wheelbarrows of money to get a loaf of bread like you saw, whether it was Zimbabwe.
steve bannon
But Congressman, the guys that get this are the bricks.
I mean, we're playing that game and destroying the purchasing power of the dollar.
They're smart enough to understand that, hey, we've had to take this thing because it's America's biggest export.
And we convert everything into a dollar before we do any transaction no matter where in the world.
That's why they're sitting there trying to get a basket of currency somehow convertible into gold or to do transactions in the rupees.
They're working, the bricks are working non-stop to come up with, to de-dollarize because The fiscal irresponsibility of America's uniparty elites coupled with the monetary irresponsibility of the Federal Reserve is destroying the world, not just the American citizens.
And these guys sitting there going, the American citizens may have to take it, but we don't.
Congressman Biggs.
andy biggs
Yeah, Steve, you know, I've talked to a number of economists and I've asked them, I said, the BRICS are working on this.
What's the threat?
And they said, well, the problem for the BRICS are that As bad as our currency is, there's no currency elsewhere in the world, which is why they're not looking for somebody's currency.
They're not going to tie it to the Yuan or anything else.
They are going to tie it to what you're talking about, which is precious metals, something that really has inherent intrinsic value.
In the meantime, my colleagues here continue to say, we're just going to spend more money.
I mean, that's what it boils down to, Steve.
And you're right, that devaluation in our currency is what's actually going to lead to the downfall of the US.
I used to say that was going to go over fast, but I'm also afraid that the policies of this administration might be trying to sprint past our economic demise to give us cultural and societal demise.
steve bannon
Congressman, right now there's all kind of, you know, the secret deal between McCarthy and Biden.
Biden says they got a deal, they had a side deal.
He guaranteed him he'd get a funding package, a big funding package for Ukraine through.
I understand tonight he's sitting there and his leadership conference go, no.
If that's the case, if he has no side deal, Couldn't we just put Ukraine, any type of Ukraine, on hold until we get all the appropriations bills done and everything's worked out before November 17th, that's the 47 days, and then we can address Ukraine sometime after Thanksgiving?
Would that be suitable to McCarthy and McConnell and this crowd?
andy biggs
Well, I don't really know what to think anymore because Mr. McCarthy has kind of given us misdirection and deflection before.
And I know Biden.
You can't trust Biden either.
So who's telling the truth here?
But the reality is, process-wise, you can do exactly what you say.
You could finish these bills and actually get them done and try to get them done before November 17th.
My biggest concern is that you won't get them done.
And then you're back into the omnibus, these big spending packages that carry out the bad policy and the bad spending levels.
I just, I am so cynical this moment as I talk to you, Steve, that it's hard to find optimism except for to say the bills that we did pass were not great, but they were solid bills trying to attack spending in certain areas and places, trying to attack policy in other places, defunding Mayorkas, defunding John Kerry, those types of things.
Those passed out of here.
And so that tells me that if we can get those bills, the 12 bills out there, there might be reason for optimism.
It's just McCarthy.
steve bannon
Just on that, you've got, I don't know, you've got four or five done.
You've got another five or six to go.
You guys are working away.
You'll turn back on and get that focus.
I understand they say you can't do motion vacay because that'll slow down the appropriations process.
I think you can do two at one time.
But is the Senate at all serious?
They're not even back till tomorrow afternoon.
They haven't done an appropriations bill yet.
It's just all performative.
I just want to make sure the audience, because they respect you and Gates and the 6 and the 20, and now the 70 that voted against the debt ceiling, to say, is this just a game?
Are we just playing a game and this is all to get to an omnibus that the Senate's not going to do anything?
You're not going to have a conference?
This will never get worked out?
andy biggs
Yeah, I think it is kabuki theater, Steve.
I think Look, we've sent some bills.
We've got some bills to send to the Senate that have good policy.
I think the Senate is going to strip every good piece of policy out of there.
You know, I think they're going to say, OK, you have to fund Mayorkas' position and John Kerry's position.
I think all that stuff gets added back in.
And by the time you get to a conference committee, they'll say, well, it's too late to wrestle on the conference committee and get something that works.
It's just omnibus time again.
I'm sorry to say that.
But that's my prediction.
I think you might see a couple of what I call mini-buses, where you have two or three bills here put together, three or four bills put together there, and you might get one bill standalone.
But by and large, you will not see what's necessary to bring our spending under control, and you won't see any of the incentives that I think are necessary to get this administration to actually enforce the law, particularly on the border.
steve bannon
If, you know, we had 262,000.
We had a team down in Juarez today.
In the morning show, we had them in El Paso.
Essentially what you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, because now's the inflection point.
Now's the moment we can do it with you heroes.
If we don't do it now, it's never going to get done.
I mean, we're almost at the cliff.
You've got to make tough choices.
You've got to make hard calls now.
But if you don't do it, this will just continue on, and it's the end of the American Republic.
Is that your warning to this audience?
andy biggs
Yeah, and it's also my warning to my colleagues, and I've said this to many of my colleagues, if not now, when?
If not us, whom?
Because the reality is the economy is contracting a little bit.
It looks like it's going to be tough sledding going forward.
Inflation is going to continue up because of our crummy monetary policy.
We don't even have enough energy.
You could actually The impacts of inflation could be ameliorated if you had a good energy policy, but this administration won't do it.
You've got a lawless administration that has turned every institution and every law against and weaponized them against the American people.
When I look at that, I say, this is the time.
This is the point where we will look back five, ten years from now and say, that was when we could have made a difference.
And I'm afraid not enough of my colleagues will agree with me.
steve bannon
This is what I don't get.
They've all been put in office by people that rang doorbells and worked phone banks.
When McHenry and these guys stepped in, Garrett Graves, and they say, you know, all these accomplishments, outside of what you guys have done and put a bandaid to their back, the epic fight in January, the epic fight over the debt ceiling, this epic fight over the CR.
Besides, what have they, tell me what they have, when they make the pitch to you guys in these conferences, what are their wins?
What have they done?
The country's in a free fall.
You have an illegitimate regime that shredded the Constitution.
We have an invasion in the country now of, I don't know, six, eight, ten million.
Never before in human history.
Never before in human history.
So what are these guys pointing?
When they talk about their wins, McCarthy said, we don't want to stop.
You can't remove McCarthy.
We've got too many wins.
You don't want to break a winning streak.
Does he just think we're morons?
Are they just gaslighters?
Can he actually point to something?
andy biggs
Well, Steve, I'm with you.
I'm like, What are those wins?
HR 2.
Okay, we got that out of the House, but that's not really a win because it's sitting in the Senate.
We got a couple of good, you know, solid approvals bills out, but that would never have happened if four of us didn't say we're not going to pass the rule on the Department of Defense until you start moving the bills.
Waiting to two weeks before the fiscal year ends to actually start moving appropriations bills, that's not a win.
I'm not sure what they think.
The debt ceiling, that wasn't a win.
I thought it was a piece of crap going over to the Senate.
There's no way you could support increasing your debt ceiling $1.5 trillion over an eight month period.
That's ludicrous.
And then when McCarthy comes back, there is no debt ceiling whatsoever.
So all those things you begin to look at.
And in the meantime, you got crime, you got bad energy policy.
Gas in Arizona is over five bucks a gallon now.
When you start looking at this thing, you say, can you tell me what those wins are?
We haven't helped on inflation.
We haven't helped on crime.
We haven't helped on the border.
We haven't helped on energy.
You know, education has gone crazy.
We're still getting the crazy transgender stuff.
And you want to fund this stuff.
And they voted to kill conservative amendments where conservative amendments on spending and policy were getting trounced last week by By Republicans.
They want to do it.
And we're going to send money overseas to Ukraine?
This is absurd, Steve.
It leaves one wondering how this can turn around.
And the only way it can, in my opinion, is with the help of God and the help of people all over this country telling their members of Congress, their Republican members of Congress, no.
No more.
Stop it.
But too many people aren't even paying attention, Steve.
They're not paying attention.
steve bannon
Do you think that this leads to an effort to remove McCarthy this week and actually find out what the deal is he's got with the Democrats because they'll try to save him?
andy biggs
Yeah, I think Mr. Gates, who you know well and I know well, has said unequivocally he's bringing a motion to vacate.
I don't think it will be successful.
I'm just telling people exactly what I think.
I don't think it will be successful.
I think that you'll have enough Republicans, you'll have enough Democrats to keep him in place as the Speaker.
I hope that at least we flush out the deal that was made regarding Ukraine.
I'm wondering if there were other side deals as well, and I sure would like to know that.
steve bannon
The Democrats will demand their privacy.
This is what we'll do.
We'll get it on the table.
If he's going to be run by Democrats, let's just get it on the table.
Let's see how many votes he needs for Democrats.
Because Hakeem Jeffries will take his pound of flesh.
And now it's time to have that pound of flesh for everybody to see.
Congressman Biggs, I know you've got to bounce.
Thank you for joining us.
Where's the social media?
You're coming in a little hot today.
People love what you're doing.
They love your warrior nature.
Where do they go to follow you?
andy biggs
At RepAndyBiggsAZ or at Biggs.house.gov.
Biggs.house.gov.
Either one of those will get you where I am.
And by the way, Steve, I think I had four or five op-eds last week on the debt ceiling, or excuse me, the CR and the spending stuff.
Give people an understanding a little bit about process and what was going on.
steve bannon
We've pushed them out, and we'll push them out more over the next couple of days.
Congressman Biggs, thank you.
We'll have you back on when we talk about ending the Fed.
So thank you.
andy biggs
Oh, love that.
steve bannon
Congressman Andy Biggs.
unidentified
Let's talk about that, man.
steve bannon
We'll bring you back on.
Your things last week in appropriations were magnificent.
People were up all hours of the morning watching you.
Congressman Biggs will go up and talk about an amendment, and then he'll also throw in two and a half minutes each time on the debt ceiling, on everything that's going on.
He's a guy that's got your back.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Short commercial break.
We're a little backed up.
Next up, we're going to get it all in, next in the War Room.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
We're going to have more developments.
I've already posted something.
McCarthy saying now that he's going to authorize if he needs to, to let the Pentagon know they can keep shipping arms and ammunition.
To Ukraine.
The question is, is that part of a deal we've already cut?
I mean, what is this?
We're just taking our stocks and some guy in the House is saying that?
It's all part of a secret deal.
Think about it.
If you didn't have a deal, would you say, okay, fine, we're not going to do anything in Ukraine until after the appropriation is done in the regular order, single subject, no games, have the Senate pass theirs, then you sit in conference like you're supposed to.
Right?
How a bill becomes a law.
We're going to go back to 6th grade civics and then we're going to go to the 1600 to the illegitimate commander-in-chief we have and he can sign it.
And then we go, no.
This is the swamp, the swamp's too cute a term.
This is the administrative state and the deep state in all their glory.
You've done a great job.
This investigative report, Natalie, is amazing.
We're going to drill down on it tomorrow and you're going to have some more updates for us.
Because Natalie Winters is there checking the receipts.
I keep saying it's a money laundering operation.
You can see, this is the opening thing that you can see how the money gets laundered.
Natalie, how do people follow you on social media before tomorrow morning?
natalie winters
Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.
And make sure you sign up for the newsletter by going to warroom.org.
steve bannon
This is how important the newsletter was.
This was all part to go out as an exclusive newsletter.
We're putting great content.
Joe Allen, Natalie.
In fact, Joe Allen's got an amazing piece we put up on human events because we just had to get him out because of timing.
But the newsletter, morning, you get all kind of, you get different graphics, you get a real, you get a deeper understanding.
It's totally free.
You can immerse yourself.
Natalie, thank you so much.
I'll see you tomorrow morning, ma'am.
Thanks for doing this.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
See, three of my favorite people, three tough broads, Natalie Winters, Julie Kelly, and Tiffany Justice, and I've backed them up now for over an hour of my rants, but that's how they got my blood pressure going up here on Capitol Hill.
Julie Kelly, I have not touched this story.
In fact, I was down on some of my closest friends who are influencers who spent all day yesterday on this story, and I said, no, only Julie Kelly has the street cred.
I want the audience to know.
I am going to do Bowman, the fire alarm and this, and I was so angry yesterday when people were just obsessed and they spent hours and hours and hours on this when the country's burning down.
But Julie Kelly can put it in perspective because she's got street cred.
Why is pulling the alarm an important story of where we stand as a country, ma'am?
unidentified
Right.
julie kelly
That's such a good point because the issue about what Representative Bowman did is you take that opportunity.
His lot, his excuses that we now know, given the timeline of what Democrats were trying to do on Saturday, that this was clearly part of a strategy to delay this vote.
And so it's an opportunity for us not just to really make fun of what he did and his excuses, et cetera, but to pull that out and say, Hey, this is what people are languishing in jail for actually far Less egregious behavior than what Representative Bowman did.
And that's why I immediately said, wait, where's the charge for him for obstruction of an official proceeding?
1512 C2, the most common felony slapped by the COJ against more than 300 January 6th protesters, including Steve, people who never went in the building.
People who went in the building after the joint session was recessed.
People like Enrique Tarrio, who was in a Baltimore hotel on January 6th.
So if his intent was to obstruct an official proceeding, and it's based on intent, it's not outcome, whether he did or not is irrelevant given the statute and given the way the DOJ has applied it.
If he did that to try to delay this vote to give what Hakeem Jeffries said time and space to read the stopgap funding measure,
Um, then he should be immediately subjected to a pre-dawn armed FBI raid with SWAT vehicles dragged out of his home, humiliated in front of his neighbors, uh, denied release and charged with this felony that has resulted in not just years in prison for people who have taken plea deals or convicted a trial, but justification for denying their release under pretrial detention.
That is the point of highlighting his involvement in what he did on Saturday.
is to underscore how the DOJ is weaponizing laws that won't apply to Democrats like Representative Bowman.
steve bannon
So how do we make it stick?
I mean, this McCarthy and these pencil necks up there, what would your recommendation be?
Understanding we don't control DOJ, what does McCarthy and this crowd have to do today?
julie kelly
Well, I mean, they have to send a criminal referral anyway to Matthew Graves, the U.S.
Attorney for the District of Columbia.
He is one who continues to prosecute this 1512 C2 cases.
So send a criminal referral.
They need to keep the pressure up.
I actually emailed Graves' office this morning to ask if they were investigating.
And of course I got the standard, we can neither confirm nor deny an existing investigation.
Capitol Police came out with some sort of statement today.
Of course, they are completely co-opted by the Democrats.
They cannot be trusted as well.
So should Republicans then, to your point, we don't control DOJ, but we do control the House Administrative Committee, certainly House Judiciary.
Let's have another hearing.
Let's bring him out, subpoena him, subpoena Hakeem Jeffries.
It sounds like they have this coordinated plan to delay this vote.
If that's true, it's not only obstruction of an official proceeding, it's conspiracy to obstruct.
I've seen that charge a lot.
It could even be seditious conspiracy because according to this DOJ, Seditious conspiracy is an attempt to prevent, delay, or hinder the execution of a U.S.
law.
So, they've created this precedent, Steve.
Now, almost three years later, it's time for the GOP to seize on this and to really make hay of it.
Not just to go after Bowman and the Democrats, but to expose what this DOJ, the legal precedent that they have set over the past three years in January 6th criminal investigations.
steve bannon
Before I go, they're talking about how many wins they've gotten, all this great job, and McCarthy shouldn't be removed.
Is this House, the Republican House, have they done any investigation?
I'm talking about as an institution, not individual members.
The review of DOJ and what DOJ's done here, the FBI's done here, the conditions in the jail, the pretrial, any of it.
Had they really sat down and done anything as we sit here in October of 2023, ma'am?
julie kelly
They have.
And so I will say that I believe that a lot of the work, especially coming out of the House Administrative Committee, they continue to drill down into missing records from the January 6th Committee.
Conflicting accounts from Capitol Police, even FBI agents.
So I know that this work is still ongoing behind the scenes.
And Steve, I do expect some real bombshells coming out about a number of scandals, including the unsolved pipe bomb matter.
So I will say that, yes, I'm not totally satisfied.
I think the Weaponization Committee should have been turned into a separate January 6th Select Committee run by Republicans.
But I do think that they are making records and videos available.
And I do see dedication there to exposing more of the truth about January 6th.
steve bannon
Julie, how do people get to you?
Your new Substack, social media, all of it.
julie kelly
Thanks.
So my Substack is declassified with Julie Kelly.
I have a piece up today explaining the whole 1512c2 matter related to Representative Bowman.
I'm on Twitter at Julie underscore Kelly, too, and Truth Social, Julie underscore Kelly.
steve bannon
Julie Kelly, thank you so much, and thank you for hanging in there with us today.
You were supposed to come on much earlier.
Really appreciate you hanging in.
julie kelly
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
We had a bunch of big stories.
We're going to move to the bar, Jim Hoff, about January 6th.
We got Joe Allen's new piece up, and if Mo and Grace can put the Joe Allen pieces on Human Events, let's get it out.
It's very important.
Tiffany Justice, I was going to toss to you, you guys have been under non-stop assault.
I just heard a podcast, I don't know if you listened, it was Swisser and this woman, Naomi Klein.
She's got a new book out called Doppelganger.
She's talking about Naomi Wolf, but the whole thing is a focus on the war room and how the worm is the platform for misinformation.
And as she's going on, she goes, well, how dangerous?
You're scaring me.
How dangerous is it?
She goes, I'll tell you how dangerous it is.
She's platformed these radical mothers.
They've made these moms for liberty, a bunch of radicals that are trying to take over the schools, fire all the great teachers.
I mean, they just go off.
Naomi Wolf kind of gets shluffed to the side, and it's really Tiffany Justice and her crew that are the villains here.
Let me tell you, they're building these things all the time, and these people are getting in there, and they sound so reasonable, but they're fascist.
People are going after you nonstop.
Now, you guys are pushing back.
Tell us how.
tiffany justice
We are pushing back.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
unidentified
I mean, I just can't even, you know, even look, I'm watching on the screen and I'm just like a mom.
tiffany justice
I'm cooking dinner.
I'm helping my kids with the homework.
You know, I'm like all these moms across the country and dads across the country that have had a target put on their back by the SPLC, by the Biden administration, the DOJ.
And so, you know, recently, I'm sure you heard, Steve, that the Heritage Foundation Has sued the Biden administration, the DOE, the DOJ for information.
They did some public records requests to see what kind of communication was happening between the Biden administration and the SPLC, because as I think has been noted in previous reports, they met with the Biden administration something like six times.
And those visitor logs, as your guest was sharing, are published at the end of every month.
And so they can't hide that part.
And so we said, well, what are you guys talking about?
Seems like a really big coincidence, right?
And they won't answer the Heritage FOIA request.
So now the Heritage Foundation has sued to figure out what is that the Biden administration and their different departments, what are they saying about moms and about me and Tina?
steve bannon
Because apparently Well, I want to go to the kickoff of Teach the Kids, but have they called you over for a meeting?
I mean, they took Southern Poverty Law Center, six meetings, and that's where Mike Howe and the group, who are very savvy over heritage, have sued.
Have they had you over for a meeting to hear what Moms for Liberty has to say in your program?
Because none of the kids are learning how to read or write, can do any arithmetic, and the scores, the objective test scores show that, ma'am?
tiffany justice
Correct.
We are calling out the educational failure in America.
No, they haven't, Steve.
They haven't asked us.
In fact, we asked President Biden to come and speak at the summit.
Our moms had a lot of questions for him, and I sat down with different presidential candidates, invited him to come as well, and our invitation was ignored.
when Secretary Cardona put together a parents group committee, parents, real parents were totally left off.
We haven't received a phone call.
And so I have to imagine that they don't like us very much.
And it's because, as you said, we're calling out educational failure and they're very cozy with the teachers union who has a million and one reasons why kids are not learning in school.
Guess what?
It's not the way they're being taught apparently.
unidentified
Would you like me to talk about that?
steve bannon
You specifically got something that's, yeah, let's go.
If Memphis can pull up the graphic.
You guys are actually all over to make this point and to help these kids out and I really appreciate, I think, you focusing on the public schools and doing it.
So what do you got this week?
tiffany justice
Yeah, our kids deserve to learn to read in school.
We spend over $800 billion on public education.
That's state, local, federal funding.
And our kids aren't learning to read.
Only about a third of kids are reading on grade level.
You have a large majority of high school students reading like they're in elementary school.
There is no future.
In this, your chances of graduating from high school go down if you can't learn to read, we would hope, right?
But your chances of going to jail, of leading a life of struggle, go up if you can't learn to read.
And so here they are, you know, basically condemning third graders to a life of struggle.
It's absolutely unacceptable and we're calling them out at every single term.
So October 1st through 7th is Teach Kids to Read Week.
We're very excited about Teach Kids to Read.
This should be something that every American can get behind.
I don't care what your political party is or your race or your religion.
It shouldn't matter, right?
We should all want kids to be able to learn to read because if they can read, then they can teach themselves things.
They can learn.
They can think critically.
But if they can't read, then they're going to have to rely on, gosh, I guess the government to tell them what they should think, right?
And I'm kind of of the opinion now, as many other parents are, that that's exactly what Joe Biden and his cronies want.
They don't want kids to be able to question.
They just want kids to consume the information and to believe everything that they're fed.
steve bannon
Now our audience is going to love this.
Tell us what the week is.
We've got a couple of minutes.
What the week is and then how can people get involved here?
tiffany justice
Yeah, please.
You can go to momsforliberty.org and join or donate to help us to spread the awareness that we need that kids are not learning to read in school and we need to focus on real skills and knowledge, making sure that teachers are prepared in the science of reading to be able to reach the students in their classroom.
October also happens to be Dyslexia Awareness Month.
What we know is that 95% of children have the ability to learn to read by third grade.
Yet only one third of kids are learning to read.
I ask all of them.
I know you have so many different people that listen and watch this show.
If you're a business person, if you were making something like seatbelts and two thirds of your products failed, what would you do?
Would you continue to pour money into a failing product or would you take a step back and look and say, what is going on here?
Why are we having such failure and what can we do to fix?
the education system and that's what Moms4Liberty is doing.
unidentified
Wow.
tiffany justice
We're endorsing in school board races and then those school board members are going in and reclaiming public education and reforming it.
So join Moms4Liberty.org.
If you're able to donate, please donate.
We're putting tools and resources into the hands of real moms and dads around the country.
Exciting news, Steve, we have Rhode Island joining us very soon, so we're up to 48 states.
steve bannon
Wow, when Rhode Island joins, what are the last two we have to go?
unidentified
Vermont and Utah.
tiffany justice
I'm going to blame Bernie Sanders for Vermont, but Utah?
Yeah, well, Utah's interesting.
They actually had a really vibrant parent group that rose up during COVID.
And so, you know, I think that that has been kind of a mechanism where a lot of people have been involved, but their issues are expanding and parents are becoming more and more aware of what's happening in schools.
And Moms for Liberty is a really effective resource and organization to be a part of.
Apparently, as you said, you know, we're the very dangerous moms who are calling out all of the baloney and Speaking truth these days is dangerous.
unidentified
I guess I'm the face of domestic terrorism now.
steve bannon
I've met Tiffany and Tina and they are definitely dangerous.
95% of kids can read and only a third do read.
That tells you everything you need to know.
tiffany justice
Good luck.
steve bannon
We're going to have somebody on from Moms for Liberty.
Yes, we're going to have someone on every day this week.
This is a big priority for the War Room to make sure we push this out of Moms4Liberty.
So thank you.
And thank you for caring enough about the kids to get involved, Tiffany.
Fantastic.
Go check out Moms4Liberty right now.
Go to the site.
Remember, they've gotten 48 states already with only been around a year, year and a half, two years.
It's incredible.
Vermont and Utah.
That's yin and yang.
Joe Crouch.
You know, there's a congressman got up and said there's 400,000 folks coming up from the Darien Gap.
There's 260,000 came through the southern border.
We got 6 million.
We don't know where they are because the inspector general says You know, they're not tracking them.
They're giving them phony addresses.
There's tons of criminals.
There's PLA guys.
We have no earthy idea what's happening in the southern border.
Crime in this country is out of control.
It's probably the best time in the history of this country to learn how to, not just get a weapon, but how to use a weapon.
I target, you've come up with the expense of ranges and the restrictions on ranges.
Somebody can, in the comfort of their own home, Particularly teaching children, young adults, and maybe wives who've never had a weapon before, how to actually get comfortable with their own gun.
We got a couple of minutes.
Walk us through what iTarget does.
unidentified
Hey, thank you, Steve.
Yeah, we've got a couple of different products.
They all center around using your actual firearm, that firearm that you would carry yourself.
And they use a laser bullet that goes into the actual gun.
So here I have a real firearm and inside is the laser.
So when you have that in there, there's no danger if you want to teach someone or practice in your house, there's no danger of an accidental misfire because the laser goes where an actual bullet would have to go in order to shoot.
So it's a completely safe way to train.
And over here, I have our original iTarget Pro product set up, which uses your phone's camera to look at the target.
And when you shoot the target with the laser, And the phone puts on the screen, the bullet holes exactly where the target, um, where the laser hit the target at.
And then, uh, we've also got this, uh, the new product, which is the iTarget Cubes.
And this is different in that it allows you to set them up all throughout your house, anywhere you have wifi.
So you can do room clearing drills, or you can have competition.
I'll show you how that works here real quick.
So they beep.
And that times you how fast you're able to shoot it.
I got a couple of young Patriots here.
I filmed this recently having some competition with the cubes.
They had, they had a lot of fun doing it.
Oh, you were fast on that one.
These guys have been practicing.
Wow.
That's about 20 feet and they're hitting that thing in seconds.
That's about 20 feet and they're hitting that thing in seconds.
Wow.
Oh my gosh, dude.
steve bannon
I got cooked on that one.
So here's the key thing.
You get to use your own weapon.
You get used to your own weapon.
You do reps like in sports.
You got to do reps with a weapon.
Reps, reps, reps.
And this allows you with your own at no cost.
We got to bounce.
Where do they go to the website?
I want people to go immerse themselves in the information, Joe.
Where do they go?
unidentified
Yeah, itargetpro.com and I use the code warrim20 and you get 20% off on the cubes.
We're running a special on them.
We just got a big shipment of them in for Christmas.
So now's the time to get the Christmas gifts early before, before we get low on supply.
So, uh, we are going to blow these cubes out.
steve bannon
No, these cubes are amazing.
What you've done.
No, no, Joe, what you've done is incredible.
Brother.
Thank you so much.
iTarget.
Dude, get the reps on your own weapon.
The reps on your own weapon.
Avoid the cost of ammo, going to ranges.
You definitely can go to ranges, everybody should.
But, you can do it in the privacy of your own home, or particularly teach the young adults, and maybe, you know, if your wife just got a, uh, if you just got her a weapon.
Self-reliance!
Things are happening.
Tomorrow morning is going to be on fire.
We'll see you back here.
We've got a long night of work ahead of us, but we'll be back here at 10 a.m.
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