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WarRoom Battleground EP 358: Offering An Olive Branch As Economy Implodes
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steve bannon
Peace out yo!
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
The Indian Prime Minister along with the Indian delegation is in Johannesburg for the 15th BRICS Summit.
It will be the first in-person BRICS Summit after three consecutive years of virtual meetings because of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Just like the other world leaders, Prime Minister Modi is also being greeted by dancers from South Africa doing their native dance.
Before we zoom out and see the global, through the global lens of course, let's speak about President Siro Ramaphosa and South Africa.
Now, this is being painted as a summit that could, in a way, push, not just domestically, but also internationally, South Africa's intentions and, of course, Cyril Ramaphosa's influence on the global scale, especially at a time when South Korea's economy is not doing very well, especially in the post-pandemic era.
So how do you think Cyril Ramaphosa is going to push for that narrative?
Definitely.
You know, South Africa's economy hasn't been doing well, not doing very well, especially after the COVID-19 pandemic.
And South Africa is not, you know, It's Tuesday, 22 May, the year of 2023.
We're going to take every bit of opportunity to address not just the BRIC forum, but also send out a very strong message to the world.
steve bannon
It's Tuesday, 22 May, the year of 2023. We want to show you the scale of this BRICS meeting, the Global South, now in open revolt against the G7 because of the mismanagement by the G7.
Remember, that place is infested with our enemies, but they're also people that should be or used to be our allies, including India.
And as I said, India just crossed a trade of a million barrels of oil with UAE.
They are two of our best allies throughout the world.
MBZ, Mohammed Bin Zayed at UAE and Modi at India.
First time in history, India crossed the trade on a million barrels of oil using rupees, not petrodollars.
Hello, a little shout across the bow there, a little love tap, just to let you know they're paying attention.
Dr. Thayer, I got Thayer and Ben on Harnwell to walk through the geopolitics of all this.
And I want to go to Dr. Thayer.
First year assessment, you got some very specific, you got a great piece up.
About Taiwan and the centrality of Taiwan into our strategy of the defense of the United States, but I want to ask you your thoughts.
She's there like a conquering hero.
I mean this morning on the show.
We juxtaposed she in in Durban and he's he comes like a like the king with Biden in Maui being mocked and ridiculed by American citizens Maui.
Not normally known as a hotbed of MAGA going ultra MAGA.
Your assessment of the Durban conference in the opening of it and its drive and direction by the Chinese Communist Party, sir?
bradley thayer
Well, Steve, it's great to join you today.
It's a very important event, principally first because what it demonstrates, Xi is attempting to establish
His own alliance network, his own alliance structure to balance the US and the alliances that the United States had forged in World War II, maintained in the Cold War, and in the post-Cold War period that are now beginning to unravel under the pressure from Xi Jinping's determined effort to establish a new order, a new world order, Which is in direct opposition, of course, to everything in the West, everything that the U.S.
and the British created at the outset of the Cold War and sustained.
And so that's a very important development.
Secondly, it's significant, too, because it's taking place in South Africa.
That shows Xi Jinping's attempting to reach out, of course, as he always does, to states in the Global South, right, what we used to call the Third World.
And to show purportedly Chinese support there.
But it's important to keep in mind that those efforts are not going to be successful because the BRICS coalition is one which is inherently unstable.
India and China are rivals.
And that is something which is not... There's a tremendous centrifugal tendency there, not a centripetal tendency there.
Because of the tensions that they have with each other.
So New Delhi and Beijing are going to have their knives at each other's throats.
They have historically, and that's going to continue.
But recognizing that, nonetheless, it's still a very significant development, because he's chipping away at our diplomacy, our alliance network, and as you've stressed consistently, Steve, at the economic foundations, Really of much of the American economy and the international economic order, the monetary regime, the trade regimes that the United States created and has sustained.
He wants to destroy those because he recognizes those are pillars of our strength, pillars of our power, and he's determined to do so.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to get into monetary and trade regimes in a moment.
And I want to get into the Commerce Department.
We've begun the bailout of the Chinese Communist Party.
Even before she goes over, the Commerce Secretary, because they were looking for an olive branch, they're looking for an olive branch, and she's already given them, taking restrictions off 27 companies.
Does that look like an olive branch they're offering down in Durban?
That's a mailed fist.
Okay, right in your mouth.
I want to talk about alliance structure.
People would argue that the reason that the pound is not the prime reserve currency, sir, is that the British overplayed their hand and got sucked into basically a century or half a century of brutal war to defend the empire, which eviscerated their male population.
And they've never recovered from that.
And the reason is that the alliance structure they had at the beginning of the First World War, actually, and then they kept in the Second World War, actually caused them more problems than they're worth.
That if you don't really think through these alliance structures, they end up being bigger problems than they were.
And I've argued for a long time, NATO, you know, the United States doesn't have an alliance structure.
The United States has a system of protectorates, whether that's in NATO in Western Europe, the Gulf Emirates in Israel, and then you get around to the collateral, the littoral nations of the South China Sea, and then up to the North South Pacific.
It's a series of protectorates of which we don't extract the maximum economic value to actually pay for it.
So is the alliance structure, when you talk about alliance structure, you've got a brilliant piece in about Taiwan.
Is the alliance structure, first off, that the Brits had before World War I, is my theory of the case correct, that their alliance structure, where they kind of slept, you know, they were the sleepwalkers, they kind of sleepwalked in to a punch in the mouth in the 20th century, thinking they had it covered when the elites actually didn't have it covered?
bradley thayer
Well, they did indeed.
I mean, Britain's problem really comes down to the fact that it was too small to continue running the world in the 20th century.
And you had the rise of the United States and the rise of Russia and Germany, Russia then the Soviet Union, which really showed that power had been redistributed in international politics.
The distribution of power was in Washington, it was in Moscow, and it was in Berlin.
And it wasn't in London so much anymore.
You also want to keep in mind the rise of nationalism and how you had nationalist movements in India, for example, the British Raj, which really undermined essentially the price of empire for the British.
And then there was their colonial trade system.
which really was not a free market, but it was, as you know, Steve, the Commonwealth, what became the Commonwealth, which favored trade within it, not free trade, but really trade within it.
So there were some deep problems that the British had that cost them, in essence, their empire.
But fundamentally, it comes down to power.
And what we're seeing now with Xi Jinping is his effort to capitalize on the power that we gave him.
Again, because it was the West, it was the United States that funded and essentially supported the CCP and brought them into the World Trade Organization and just added rocket fuel to their growth.
He's now taking that power And he's using it against him because he's a dyed-in-the-wool communist who's determined to destroy the United States and Western order.
So it's very important to keep that in mind.
And what we're witnessing is that we in the United States are doing everything we can to shed our power, to give it to the fact that the Secretary of Commerce would be going to Beijing to help save the Chinese Communist Party is lunacy.
It's strategic idiocy.
And it shows everything that's wrong with the elites, the Western elites, and essentially the World Economic Forum worldview.
It's absolutely the wrong thing to do.
We should put our foot on their throat.
Now that they've got tremendous vulnerabilities, we should capitalize upon it to do everything we can to maximize our power.
At their expense.
And instead we're doing the reverse.
It's lunacy.
Absolute lunacy.
But of course it's there with an intent.
And there is an intent behind it.
steve bannon
I want to go to Taiwan as central to the American grand strategy here.
And if we don't do that, in your theory of the case of the alliances, that the entire world, because you see them in Durban right now, the global south is there.
And quite frankly, they think the United States is feckless.
They think the United States can't be counted on in the crunch.
That's what our enemies are saying.
And of course, America First, we're not isolationists, but we don't want a global system of protectorates.
We want real allies that really pull their weight.
And also, Pull their weight in the fact that we have trade deals that work for both sides, not just the continual working for capital at the detriment to labor here in the country.
So walk me through your theory of the case in this Taiwan situation.
unidentified
Sure.
bradley thayer
I just gave you an argument on the distribution of power and what our allies do is they give China a multiple front war problem.
South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, India, the US, we greatly complicate Beijing's strategic planning with the alliance networks that we have.
So Jim Finnell and I wrote a piece in The American Greatness, it's up today, that really teased out the six reasons Taiwan is important for the United States.
And we're going to obviously regret it if it were to fall to the aggression of the Chinese Communist Party, which they're absolutely determined to conquer Taiwan.
Taiwan's got a great economy.
Chip production, as you've stressed time and again.
Thirdly, it means that Japan and South Korea are going to be in a very difficult situation if Taiwan falls to the PRC, and that's going to stress them.
Fourth, our other allies, including the Philippines, are going to fall under the shadow of an emboldened PRC, and Japan is going to be forced to make really hard choices about whether It acquires nuclear weapons or not, and its future direction.
Fifth, there are also other treaty allies that are going to be affected—Australia, Kingdom of Thailand as well.
All of these states, again, complicate China's strategic calculus.
China has Taiwan as a base.
They're going to be able to project power at Guam much more effectively in the South Pacific against Hawaii, Alaska, and the United States itself.
It really removes the cork in the bottle for the People's Republic of China, and that's something they want very much.
They're going to have access to the ocean, Steve, and they're going to have control of the South China Sea and East China Seas.
Which you know they want very much and they're desperate to establish.
So a world where we lose Taiwan is a much different world and it's one which is far worse than us, which is why we need to deter the PRC's any effort to attack Taiwan and that has to be done right now and the Biden administration is not doing it.
So this is inviting aggression.
It's a very dangerous, very dangerous situation.
steve bannon
The sins of the father are visited on the son.
We're having a conversation and it's got certain elements that are slightly different but not centrally different than the strategic discussions that were being thought through back in the 1920s over a hundred years ago.
The control of China.
The Second World War essentially In the Pacific was about that.
The war, remember, World War II is taught in a wrong, it's not taught correctly to Americans.
Americans think that World War II was Pearl Harbor, Normandy, the Holocaust, and Hiroshima.
That's it.
And if you ask any kids or school kids, that's basically no.
World War II was a massive conflict over the heartland of the world island, the Eurasian landmass.
The attacks by the Imperial Japan and the fascists obviously into Russia against the Russian people and against the fight by Imperial Japan and the collapse of the warlord movement in China.
And here a hundred years later, it's essentially at its core of it, the same thing.
And here's the sins of the father.
The West, the oligarchs, And let me say it, the white supremacists and white oligarchs have never had enough faith in the Chinese people to allow Beijing to be able to control their own fate, to have democracy, to have freedom, to have liberty.
They've always been in back of and supporting the totalitarian rule of the Chinese people.
They have done it.
And we're paying for those sins today.
We're paying for those sins today.
That was FDR and Truman's State Department and national security apparatus that essentially gave it to Mao Zedong.
That was the first Bush junta, junta number one.
that bailed out Deng Xiaoping when the criminal element, the Chinese Communist Party, had their backs to the wall after the Goddess of Liberty was presented at Tiananmen Square and the blood was still, when the blood had not even been mopped off the pavement, Scowcroft's over there, to craft Bush's New World Order, which the slave labor of Lao Baijing would be the centerpiece economically.
To the benefits of the capitalists on Wall Street and the industrialists, to the detriment of the working class people in this country.
That's the history of the last hundred years.
That's the history.
And if you look at what's happening today, it is, when I'm up at night and going through these documents and news stories and analysis and reports people are sending me, it's shocking to the degree that we're replaying World War II in the Pacific all over again.
And as a young man back in the 1970s on a destroyer in the South China Sea, with that still historic element, World War II was still very much in people's minds when you went to these places.
In the United States, it had kind of been forgotten about.
It was in war where you see Patton or you see some movie.
There, it was still a lived experience.
When Xi came to Mar-a-Lago, the most passionate talks he had, We're about World War II and about his family in World War II and what happened with the Japanese and the Chinese in World War II.
The sins of the father are visited upon the son.
And the lack of faith in Lao Bajing to manage their own affairs once again.
It comes to us, and we have to make a decision.
And we can't let the oligarchs, and we can't let the capitalists, and we can't let the Wall Street barons decide our fate.
Bradley Thayer, hang on.
You're seeing this in Ukraine.
Please tell me I want all the opponents and enemies, media matters, all of them, go back, go back and look at every second of this show from back in, what, January, February 22.
When we told you exactly what was going to happen in Ukraine.
And now another horrific, almost incomprehensible, that this could happen among enlightened people in the 21st century.
A charlotte house, a bloodbath, all driven by the same elements that have the Secretary of Commerce getting on a plane to Belarus.
Think about it.
With a trillion dollar real estate problem, A complete fiasco in their hands, and they're in Durban, South Africa, working their best to come up with an alternative currency to kill us as the prime reserve currency, our mortal enemy is the Chinese Communist Party.
We are literally, the headline political, we're offering, in Bloomberg, we're offering an olive branch, an olive branch.
The Secretary of Commerce, we've taken 27 companies off the list.
Ben Harnwell, how's it working for the oligarchs and the Biden regime in the killing fields of Ukraine?
Because you think it was bad in Cambodia after the Vietnam War?
Stand by for what's going to happen here.
How's the regime, how's regime politics doing in Ukraine today, Ben Harnwell?
ben harnwell
Well, Steve, they're going pretty badly.
Morale is falling.
I'll talk about that a little bit later.
And the counter offensive is bogging down and not going anywhere.
And of course, questions are being asked.
I've got a couple of developments I'll go through shortly.
But questions are obviously being asked about how long the West is going to continue financing the war if the counter offensive isn't going anywhere.
And all these questions are coming back to what the GOP's position is going to be focused on the presidential debate tomorrow.
And then, of course, President Trump's side, one-man interview, one-man show with Tucker Carlson.
So I think that that will be a frame of reference for everybody right now. That's where most conversations seem to be heading to find out how that unravels.
Steve, there is something I wouldn't mind just talking to you about, and I've got a couple of pieces, you know, because we're always talking about, if you want to know what the intelligence community is thinking, you need to read the Langley Bugle, otherwise known as the Washington Post.
And, you know, we...
We hit yesterday a couple of articles that are just indicative of the pivot that's going on, and I have some more here.
This is just constantly now, it's day by day, drip by drip, and because this is the Washington Post, and this is presumed to be a favourite Thanks very much Memphis.
I'll just give out some quick extracts of this article.
the American regime is thinking that's obviously leading everything here in the world.
So there's, if I might just go to the first article here.
Thanks very much, Memphis.
I'll just give out some quick extracts of this article.
It talks about that the counter offensive is showing signs of stalling.
It flags up an article, again, with the Washington Post that we did hit on the show last week, but we're going to come back to that shortly about the classified US intelligence report which had been leaked.
It says here that the Ukrainian public, this is directly in response to the question that you asked me about the Ukrainian regime, it refers to the Ukrainian people as a war-weary Ukrainian public and eager for leaders to secure victory.
We're now starting to be told, because before we just had the non-stop propaganda that in Ukraine it's absolutely gung-ho and patriotism And what have you.
And now we're being slowly sort of as this pivot unfolds, that's being informed ever more accurately.
So what the situation is on the ground there, public opinion wise.
And now we're told that the Ukrainians are Well really, the rest of this article just basically talks about the general sense of attrition now, that this is a war of attrition between both sides, which is in Russia's interest, which of course it is.
One thing that the Washington Post doesn't mention when it says that this is a war of attrition is that to maintain a war of attrition is costly and expensive.
Now, for various reasons, we don't need to go into Russia's in a better position, but I would admit Putin's in a better position to absorb the costs of that, because in the West we're more directly democratic.
That's going to be more difficult to sustain, especially if the counteroffensive is stalled and it's not going anywhere.
unidentified
So that was one.
ben harnwell
The second thing I would like to talk to which ties into the first, I think it illustrates this point I'm making about how this pivot is unfolding.
is another article, again with the Washington Post, and they ought to be giving us a percentage, I think, for all the analysis we're doing of their coverage.
Here's this headline, Ukraine's hopes for maximal victory look remote.
And it's the same sort of thing here, talking that the gains have only been incremental, no matter the billions of dollars of Western aid invested I'm preparing Ukraine's push to reclaim lost territory.
Articles like this, Steve, are very much now, finally, after one and a half years, they're very much mirroring the general analysis that we've had on the war room, which is very encouraging to know.
Only that we got there sort of considerably beforehand.
steve bannon
But hang on, but hang on, hang on.
Look, when you call it the Land League bugle, it's only a little bit tongue-in-cheek.
The Washington Post is getting this from, this is how the security apparatus, the intelligence apparatus gets the word out to craft narrative.
Now they're all about It's the Ukrainians' fault.
They didn't follow our thing.
They're going to downplay what the expectations were.
90 days ago, all you heard was offensive.
They're going to take Crimea.
We're going to Crimea.
Look at MSNBC.
How can the MSNBC, and I think people ought to think about, the Ukrainian people ought to think about class action suits against some of these people.
Seriously.
About what they did.
And the lies they told.
And you can get their emails, get their text messages.
They knew they were lying at the time.
You got this piece in the Washington Post about a couple days ago, and they talk about being in the classified briefings with Republicans and Democrats, and all of a sudden the finger-pointing starts.
This is all an exercise.
You're going through late Vietnam here, where you know there can't be a military solution, but they kept pouring kids in there.
How many kids died after they knew they couldn't win the war?
This is the thing about the Pentagon Papers.
The reason the Pentagon Papers infuriated the working class and middle class was the lies and misrepresentations in Vietnam, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and now in Ukraine.
The lies and misrepresentations of, guess what, people whose sons and daughters don't go to the charnel house.
Are Zelensky or any of the fat cats in Kiev or any of these generals taking the money?
Are they going to?
unidentified
Are there kids dying on the battlefield out there?
steve bannon
I don't think so.
I think they may be in college out in maybe Oxford or Cambridge.
Short commercial break.
Thayer and Harnwell about geopolitics.
Dr. Swain is here to set us right on CRT, ESG, DEI, all of it.
Next in the War Room.
Okay.
I've got the duo of Thayer and Harnwell.
Ben, any other analysis before I go back to Dr. Thayer?
ben harnwell
Absolutely.
You were just saying before the break how Western leaders have been lying in their messaging regarding Ukraine, and that's absolutely true.
What surprised me was that this article here in the Washington Post, which, as I say, we refer to slightly tongue-in-cheekly, but not totally, as the Langley Bugle.
To find that analysis repeated here in the pages of the Washington Post, because it's Very lead here in this article, which says that in public, Western politicians and diplomats have embraced Ukraine's vision, reiterating that their governments would back Ukraine in its defense for as long as it takes.
But in private, Washington Post points out, conversations are darker and more skeptical, with many officials gloomy about Ukraine's prospects to expel the Russian invaders.
So here's, again, sort of the CIA pushing out this insight that when Western politicians and diplomats are coming on telling us everything's great and we're in there for the long term, you know, in Ukraine, we'll sit and dictate the terms, they, as even as they're saying this, they know it's not true.
And I think that's sort of an interesting point from the Washington Post that corroborates exactly what you were just saying.
steve bannon
Dr. Thayer, I mean, how can you take this regime when they knowingly, and right now they're knowingly putting Ukrainian young men into a battlefield that they realize they can't, that's why we're having these mutinies in the field, that they can't win.
They can't achieve their objectives and this is just slaughter now.
At the same time, You have the Global South in total revolt because the way they run their finances is destroying everybody and killing the purchasing power of the dollar.
At the same time, the Bloombergs, they're reaching out with an olive branch to our sworn enemies.
The people that are in back of the CCP that stir in the pot at the BRICS conference, trying to come up with any alternative to the US dollar.
We're now, and this is not Gateway Pundit, it's not Breitbart, it's not Revolver or National Pulse, it's Bloomberg, that the administration by taking the Commerce Secretary on a plane, going to go out and kowtow to them in Beijing, is offering an olive branch to bail out an economy that's imploding.
How can anybody trust this regime on anything, Dr. Thayer?
bradley thayer
Well, fundamentally they can't.
I mean, this is the old regime, Steve, trying to sustain itself when the world has changed.
So what they did in the past isn't going to work anymore because the fundamental conditions have changed.
Look, what's happening in South Africa is monumental.
The PRC's aggression against the Philippines is happening now at Second Thomas Shoal, and it's a continuation of The PRC's efforts to control South China Sea, East China Sea, and move beyond that.
The PRC also is committing genocide, right?
Gross human rights abuses against the Chinese people, the genocide directed against Muslims, Kyrgyz, Kazakh, and Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang is happening right now.
The regime doesn't care about Muslim genocide that Beijing, that the Chinese Communist Party is committing.
They don't care about the territorial expansion, and they don't care that Beijing is attempting to create a new alliance structure, pulling all of the pillars from underneath the United States.
Fundamentally, they don't, because I think fundamentally they're captured by This desire to go back to the way it was, this desire to keep exploiting Americans, the Chinese people, people around the world, so that they can continue to make their profits and we can continue to invest in China.
The habits that they created over the last generation, Steve, because this has been going on a long time, are very difficult for them to break.
But we are at another Tiananmen moment, really, where if we are able to put the Chinese Communist Party under pressure this time, in a way that we didn't in 1989 with the Tiananmen Square Massacre, we might have the chance of forcing them from power.
And that would be an unalloyed positive good, without question.
Xi Jinping knows this.
He knows how vulnerable he is.
Which is why he's doing everything he can to act now while Biden is still in office, because he recognizes he can get away with almost anything, seemingly, while this administration is in office.
But the clock is ticking, obviously, on Biden.
Whether it's going to be Newsom or Obama or whether it's Trump returns to office, of course, remains to be seen.
But any administration is going to be I think far more attuned to America's national security interests than the Biden administration has been.
The regime is just chock full of folks who, you know, 30 years ago, you might have made this argument, but history has moved beyond this.
steve bannon
No, and their hands are all over this.
That's why they've been taking money from them.
Obviously Biden is compromised.
These two fights that are coming and they're coming in September.
Number one is no more money for Ukraine.
That's going to be a huge fight as far as this whole budget and passing the 30 September clock ticking.
The other is no bailouts for CCP.
They're going to try to do every backdoor bailout in the world with Wall Street, the Commerce Department, all of it.
I mean, we are all over this.
No bailouts to our enemies.
Dr. Thayer, how do people get your writings?
You're unbelievable on being on top of all this.
Where do people go to get you?
bradley thayer
Centerforsecuritypolicy.org is a great place.
I'm on Truth and Getter at Bradley Thayer.
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
And Captain Finnell is one of the most informed individuals in the world on this situation, so always great when he's your wingman.
bradley thayer
He's outstanding.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Ben, he's amazing.
Ben, and by the way, he's a man of action.
He put his entire career on the line when he called this out 10 years ago, or even longer ago now, I think 12 years ago.
Ben, where do people go to get your analysis, sir?
ben harnwell
Thanks so much, Steve.
unidentified
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Dr. Carol Swain, we have enemies abroad, ma'am, and we have enemies within.
The adversity of diversity is your kind of magnum opus about where we actually stand with all this.
I want to play a quick cold open for Morning Joe and then have you respond.
unidentified
The Iowa voters are deeply religious.
Oh, they're... It's where the Christian evangelicals are.
Oh, they're the most... If you go to Iowa, they love Jesus so much!
We've been hearing that since Pat Robertson won in 1988.
Or maybe he's in second.
I don't know.
Maybe he won.
I don't remember.
But we've been hearing... They're so righteous!
Oh!
Now what do we find out?
They trust a four-time indicted reality TV show host who a New York judge called a rapist who bragged about sexually molesting women saying that it's the way it's always been and maybe that's a good thing.
He doesn't know whether it's good or not.
Twice as many of these voters... Porn star.
Porn star payoff illegal.
You know, I'm talking like 41.
No denial.
Porn star payoff illegal.
But now, twice as many of them basically say, we trust that guy over a minister of Jesus Christ.
Yeah, it's amazing.
And seen.
Go, G.
No, I mean, it's just what those numbers suggest is that a whole lot of people in Iowa are going to hell, right?
They are not going to be redeemed.
He's joking, Iowa.
He's joking.
That was...
That is an incredible figure from that poll, that people trust Trump over their clergy.
And it does make you wonder, how are you thinking of your Christianity?
How are you thinking of your faith to get to that point?
steve bannon
Okay, I want to be the first on the record to say that Dr. Carol Swain did not write that script for Morning Joe.
Dr. Swain did not write that, although That almost seems scripted.
It was so good.
Dr. Carol Swain, they're talking about the poll, the survey from the Omaha paper, which is, or the Des Moines Register, which is the definitive poll that shows Trump, not just with a dominant lead, but when they broke it down, 70% of deeply religious people would trust Trump over, I think, 40% would trust their religious leaders.
What say you, ma'am?
carol m swain
First of all, you have my blood boiling.
Those people are just so arrogant and they don't understand Christianity.
They don't understand the fact that if we want to talk Christianity, that Jesus died for the broken and the people that it's like come as you are religion.
No one has to be perfect to be a Christian.
God has always used the most unlikeliest people and those Christians who trust Donald Trump, they trust him Because he's almost always right.
And there are people that believe God raised him up to expose what was hidden in this country.
And as far as the clergy, the left has infiltrated so many churches.
There's so many churches that are woke.
And they're so afraid of Christian nationalism.
And Christian nationalism was something the left came up with to keep the Christians out of politics because they know that if Christians were to rise up and vote according to biblical values, they would be able to dramatically change this country.
So what they have done is to take mostly the young, woke pastors and some of the older ones that like money and persuaded them that they shouldn't be involved in politics.
steve bannon
Dr. Swain, the reason I want to play that cold open, those are essentially the people that you bring up in the Adversity of Diversity.
Those are our lords and masters, both in the corporate side, the academic side, the government side, that have forced this diversity on us.
And you can see how they mock and ridicule.
They consider Christians and biblical values to be the values of drones and stooges.
Your thoughts and observations.
carol m swain
Well, first of all, they are doing a great job of brainwashing a lot of our young people.
And colleges and universities are not safe places for many of our youth because when they get there, they're going to be treated with contempt often by individuals just like those commentators.
And I hate to report, you know, to Christians in the audience, That some of the religious schools, some of the traditionally Christian colleges and universities, they have faculty that are not believers.
They hold Bible-believing Christians like us in contempt.
They are a very dangerous force.
And to get away from what has my blood boiling to the adversity of diversity, you know, the whole point of the U.S.
Supreme Court decision Striking down race-based discrimination in college admissions.
That was a return to the Constitution.
That was a return to the Equal Protection Clause.
And the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects all persons against discrimination based on race, sex, national origin, religion.
These are among some of the protections that we have, and that includes white people.
That includes Christians, that includes heterosexuals, that includes Americans like us.
And so we have constitutional rights, we have civil rights, we need to exercise those.
And fortunately, there are some people that are white and Asian that are that are successfully filing and winning million-dollar lawsuits against companies and organizations that have discriminated against them.
steve bannon
Want me to you're tackling this in many different ways.
You've got the book.
I want people to know where they can get the book.
You've also got your own news site.
I want to take a second to go through that and what you put up.
And then you've got your other writings.
So let's talk about first where they get the book and are you going to be doing book signings?
Are you going around?
Because I know I get it all the time.
People want to meet you personally.
So let's deal with that first.
Tell us about the book, how people can get it, and are you going to be out and about with this so people can actually meet you?
carol m swain
I'm definitely going to be out and about signing books and speaking at events.
And the book can be purchased from Amazon.
They resisted for the longest time, but the book can be purchased from Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, any bookstore.
And if you live in Nashville or somewhere in Tennessee, you could get it at Logos Christian Bookstore, where you can get copies that are already signed.
And I can personalize copies for you and have them shipped anywhere.
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steve bannon
Go ahead, ma'am.
Now, where can people find out if you're going to be speaking or at a book signing?
Because I think people, a lot of people want to get the book, they want to read it, and then they want to ask you questions about it.
carol m swain
We post on social media where I will be, and we also have a newsletter.
And if you go to carolmswayne.com or my other site, bethepeoplenews.com, you can sign up for a newsletter and find out where I'm going to be.
But I do take speaking engagements.
And as far as what I'm doing, this book, The Adversity of Diversity, builds on the work that I did in Black Eye for America, How Critical Race Theory is Burning Down the House.
And I deeply believe that we need to get back to our constitution, our civil rights laws.
The book argues that we can have diversity without discriminating against anyone.
We need to go back to non-discrimination, equal opportunity, recruitment, compliance.
We can have a better world and true racial reconciliation and healing and harmony in the workplace.
And organizations can get back to their mission statements.
Businesses can get back to the business of business and not do all this social engineering, which has backfired, which has been very costly.
And it's going to be more costlier for them because more and more white and Asian people are going to be suing the businesses that have chosen to discriminate against them.
steve bannon
Talk to us about the news site.
Where do people go for that?
You're posting there all the time.
carol m swain
Be the people, be instead of we the people, bethepeoplenews.com, bethepeoplenews.com, but I am really active on Twitter.
And since Elon Musk took over, my numbers have grown and I engage people a lot there.
And Steve, I also have to confess that I have not endorsed any presidential candidates.
I think it's important for me to be able to speak truth.
And I've certainly, you know, defended President Trump and I knocked on doors in Philadelphia in 2016 and 2020.
But for now, I think it's more important for me to be able to engage everyone.
And I just have not felt led to endorse a candidate.
And once you endorse a candidate, I think it hampers your ability to reach people with truth that they need to know.
steve bannon
Well, I think you being neutral right now is absolutely perfect.
Dr. Swain, we are going to push this book.
People need to read it.
And we're also going to push your site.
And we look forward to talking about some upcoming events that you're speaking at.
Thank you very much for joining us in the War Room.
carol m swain
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
steve bannon
John Philip Souza, the El Capitan, the Marine Corps Band, the President's Own, takes us out.
We'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
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