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WarRoom Battleground EP 349: Ukraine Fails In Counter Offense
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thanks for watching.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room, Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, welcome back.
Monday, 7 August, Year of the Lord 2023.
We've got a lot to get into with our international editor, Ben Harnor.
First, we've got, as people can tell from the shows today, a long, tough fight ahead of us.
Very winnable.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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crom carmichael ▲ ● ▼
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Got a long, tough fight ahead.
That's why we need a healthy heart.
For the Lionhearts.
Ben Harnwell.
I want to start by going to the CNN poll.
And Ben's got a whole way he's going to walk through this because there's so much going on.
But Ben, I mean it's Jack Posobiec and Tucker Carlson, a lot of people, but I think you're reporting day in and day out on the situation in Ukraine.
CNN this morning reporting that they have a poll that 55% of the American people, 55% are saying no more money to Ukraine.
We're not going to continue to do this.
And that is because of shows like War Room predicated on the reporting and analysis of Ben Harnwell, you've got Jack Posobiec, you've had Charlie Kirk, you've got obviously the great Tucker Carlson, and others that have been putting forward this counter-information from the entire Apparatus, including Fox News, which is one of the biggest neocon sites of all get out.
Now, 55% of the American people oppose.
And Ben, I think the number for Republicans in there is like 80 or 90%.
Walk me through, you've got a whole report today on exactly where we stand in this entire Ukraine situation.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Thanks very much, Steve, and good afternoon to you.
So, as you were saying, that was basically the headline figure.
It breaks down.
I'll post this, by the way, the link.
You'll find it coming to me on GitHub or going straight to Rumble.
I've posted all of the articles I'm going to refer to on the Rumble page.
As I now do.
So let's start off with these figures.
I'm going to go through all the headline figures, Steve.
As you say, 55% now say that Congress should not authorize additional funding, and that is down from 62% from February of last year when the war broke out.
Significantly, The figure that really stood out to me here was that alongside very slim backing for US military forces to participate in combat operations, the figure is, Steve, 17%.
So if you confront that with the 17 months hard slog of escalation that the present administration has been pushing with regards to this war, almost effectively de facto, to get the United States involved in a direct way in this war.
We weren't able to cover last week, by the way, but the Pentagon had authorized increasing the emergency a bonus due to US troops in Ukraine. Now, you might ask yourself what US troops are there currently serving in Ukraine, seeing as there hasn't been a war powers resolution, and that would be a very pertinent question to ask. But it was revealed that the Pentagon had upped the allowance and backdated it, in fact, to April of last year. So there are
troops there. We know this, even though there's never been a formal statement of that.
And that is an indication, I think, of just how much the military-industrial complex has been desperate to get the United States into this war, on escalating every single opportunity.
And yet, here it is, Steve, the appetite for that Amongst the American people themselves is at 17%.
There could not be a greater difference between the present administration, the present Biden administration and where the American people are right now.
Another figure, Steve, that leapt out to me here was this man.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hold on, before you jump, I want to go back.
Don't bury the lead here.
They actually said they're giving bonuses.
They're going to continue bonuses to people that are actually in the Iraq War.
I didn't think we had anybody.
They keep talking about we don't have any troops over there.
Who are they giving bonuses to?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
That's a very good question.
As I say, there hasn't been any particular statement on this.
I think off the top of my head that the total figure amounted at, it was capped, because they were bringing several bonuses together, they were capping it at around $350 per month.
And as I say, backdating it to April of last year, not this year, to April of last year, just two months after the war started.
And this is this is like without any war powers resolution.
The president under the U.S.
Constitution, the U.S.
president has no authority to send troops into any military active military situation where the U.S.
territory is not at stake, as it's not here.
Now, that's obviously been widened a little bit and picked away at Around around the scenes, especially like, for example, if there are Americans in interest, for example, the airlifts getting Americans out in Saigon.
And that was that, you know, by a lot of readings that was unconstitutional.
But the office for there's an office for legal counsel.
Which is pretty much, in these instances, the unique authorisation for an administration on just how far it can push, how far a president can push his constitutional authority.
And that's sort of, that's their in place for presidents to draw on.
And those memoranda build on themselves, on their own precedent.
And then when the US Supreme Court gets around it, basically rubber stamps or whatever.
And a lot of the time we don't know what are in these memoranda that the White House is leaning on.
So, there are American troops in Ukraine.
We don't know how many there are there.
We wouldn't know that there were any there if we hadn't been told last week that the Pentagon had authorized extra funding for them.
Another question, Steve, to ask yourselves is which uniform they're wearing.
Obviously, if they're US troops, one would assume in active duty, which is where this emergency bonus kicks in, that they would be wearing their own uniform, as they would be obliged to do.
But if they are actively involved and they're in civilian clothes, that's against The Geneva Convention and all the war treaties that the US is signatory to.
So that would be another question to ask the Pentagon or the Department of Defense is how many troops are there?
How many will get this bonus?
If they are in active duty, are they wearing their uniform?
We don't know because the Uni Party in Congress prefers this position of opacity and prefers to keep the American public in darkness.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Isn't that the amazing thing about this number is the dramatic shift since the war started?
And they, you know, it's what a 45% now says high as 62.
But I actually believe it was much higher when it when it started this dramatic shift, since you've had so few news organizations or opinion sites that have been able to push this out, because the entire mainstream media, including Fox News, Fox's, and I would throw in Newsmax into this, that it's all been neocon, rah-rah, you know, we're fighting for liberty.
All the candidates, you know, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott's been terrible on this, Nikki Haley's been terrible on this, Mike Pence has been the worst on it.
When Ron DeSantis even tried to go a little bit off the reservation, His donor slapped him around and he came back immediately.
I mean, when he was parroting what we were saying, it's a territorial dispute in, you know, Russian-speaking Eastern Ukraine.
And the border, it was much more important.
He got disciplined immediately and kind of came back to the party line.
It's pretty stunning to me.
that these numbers are now shifting and it can't be lost on people that the much hyped spring offensive I think has had at least something to do with, I think the American people just said they're going, I think we've been lied and misled.
This is not going like they said there was going to go.
Everything they've told us just turned out to be wrong.
And now we're looking at another massive, you know, with the American economy sputtering and particularly working class people getting eviscerated Their eyes are starting to open now.
But to me, this is one of the most significant things in information war and public opinion because the entire deck was stacked against us and it was only a very few handful of people that really stood in the breach here from the beginning.
Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Steve, that's absolutely right.
You know, I would also ask, look, it is now common knowledge that any news organisation, when it commissions a poll, it commissions that poll to get to a certain result that is in line with its editorial policy.
So the question, the first question I would ask, and I did ask myself when I was looking at this specific poll in CNN, was Basically, why now?
Why have they commissioned the poll to get to these results?
And I'm publishing this poll now.
And the only response, only sane response I can get to, Steve, is it fits in with the war rooms analysis that we have said from Vilnius onwards, there has been a pivot away.
From full frontal support of Ukraine.
Remembering, of course, the famous photograph of President Zelensky standing there amongst all the heads of government and heads of state with nobody to talk to.
That that photo itself is now is now a meme.
You'll see that basically any day on any social media platform adjusted for comments.
That is the moment I think Sort of formally Vilnius NATO started to pivot and put some distance between itself and Ukraine.
And therefore, what do you expect for the mainstream media, the legacy media to do, but to fall in 100 percent behind the latest instructions?
And after going all in, hyping up the war, hyping up the necessity for America to give maximum support to President Zelensky, they've now sort of pivoted on a dime and are now pushing articles very much in the opposite direction.
In fact, the pivot has been so quick, I've got whiplash just watching it take place.
The article I was referring to is in, as I say, I'll post all the links on Rumble, but you can get to them by clicking on this video if you're watching this on Getter.
I'll post those later.
The article's in the Military Times and it's headlined, US troops in Ukraine can now earn hazard pay.
And that's the article I was referring to and it just ties together a number of different bonuses that are applicable.
Um, but it's definitely worth reading, Steve.
Okay, so if, um, do you have anything else to ask on the, um, on the CNN poll?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
No, I just, I just, I think, I, yeah, before you go to CNN, I think that, and this was with your coverage in Vilnius, I just want the audience, uh, it keeps in mind that You know, this is also going to be used as a weapon against Zelensky.
The administration will say, look, public opinion is shifting away and public opinion is shifting away.
I think they're going to tell him for two reasons.
Number one, you continue to demand stuff, right?
Instead of like, you know, ask politely or show that you're a good partner.
And that's gotten offensive to people.
And clearly that's turned off some people.
And that's why things are turning away from you because of the, at least perceived ingratitude.
Number two, and the more important is that It doesn't seem like there's progress.
And the administration, the regime, and the guys in the City of London and in Brussels are not going to take responsibility about the overselling of the Spring Offensive.
I mean, the Spring Offensive was hyped as, you know, we're going to go to Crimea and we're going to go to take back all these territories.
And Zelensky was very outspoken in what his demands were.
He wouldn't sit at a negotiating table for any ceasefire until all the territories in eastern speaking Ukraine had been taken back and Crimea.
Remember three or four months ago they're talking about this big offensive they're going to go down to Crimea.
We said at the time that in their demand for tanks, in demand for Bradley fighting vehicles, you remember the big coverage we gave about this whole situation with the tanks that came from the British Came from the Americans and the Germans.
This was the biggest thing.
Is this going to take place?
We said, first off, you still have to train these people.
And the training takes years, not weeks.
It takes years.
You know, the Americans, it's tough enough for our army to fight combined arms, which is coordinated attacks by artillery, armor.
You know, mounted infantry, close air support, all of it.
It's enormously complicated.
We're going through the 79th anniversary of Normandy right now, and we keep telling people it just wasn't D-Day, the slaughter continued, particularly for the American troops as they slogged through the hedgerows And up until they had the breakout, which occurred basically this time 79 years ago.
And the reason was, is that they hadn't had enough time really to train in combined arms, that they had spent so much time they had to just how to breach, how to do the amphibious landing.
And I think this all pulled together.
And I think you're seeing an awakening.
I think you're seeing the American people sit there going, you know, I've been told all this stuff and none of it's come true.
And now they've seen kind of this ingratitude.
In this kind of pushiness and you know, we're demanding this you have to give us this couple with the fact the results are not even the lies and misrepresentations spin because every couple days you kind of get a oh they're doing great now and you're gonna walk us through it's one story after the other of just the slaughter of the slaughter of Ukrainian people and particularly I would I would say courageous dedicated
Patriotic, but untrained, essentially untrained Ukrainian troops who are being led to the slaughter.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
You've pulled me back into the CNN.
Article here, because another one of these takeaway results is that a bigger worry, and I quote, a bigger worry across across partisan lines in this poll is that the war will continue without a resolution for a long time.
That is, the war will will will continue and go on and on and on.
Nearly 8 in 10 people are worried about that, including 82 percent of Democrats and 75 percent of independents and 73 percent of Republicans.
So rather counterintuitively, the Democrats themselves, these are ordinary rank and file members, not the party machinery.
The Democrat members, Democrat voters themselves are more anxious about being tied in to a long run war.
But even on this, this is a vast majority of the American people.
As CNN themselves say, this cuts across party lines.
It's what they don't want, which is why to come back, I think, to something that you and I have said on my most recent appearances on this show is that the Biden administration should be using its influence now to get these sides at the negotiating table and talking and instead of pushing the line that America will support Ukraine with whatever it takes, I mean, that's that's the mantra.
That's not going to get both sides down to the negotiating table.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, fantastic.
You can press on.
I know you've got a lot more you want to get through.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
I do.
So you mentioned just a few moments ago that two of the reasons For a breakdown in relations, let's call it that, between US, NATO and Ukraine.
The first was the way President Zelensky comports himself with other Western leaders.
And then the second aspect you mentioned was the slow progress of the counter offensive.
I might add, A third factor, I think, which is probably upsetting the West, and that's the fact, and you've mentioned it, I think you mentioned today, we certainly mentioned it in recent episodes of this show, and that is Ukrainians are Departing, unilaterally departing from an agreed, in inverted commas, an agreed strategy here.
That is to say, NATO, the Americans, the Brits have been very proactive in giving Zelensky's top military officials their professional strategic advice on how to conduct this war.
And Zelensky has unilaterally decided he's going to take the machinery and the armaments and everything, the cash that we're sending over.
But he himself is going to decide his military strategy.
And it's not working out too well either.
And I don't think because there is a reputational aspect that is important when we're dealing with a balance of powers.
That all sides need to, you know, all potential foes who aren't presently at kinetic war need to have a realistic and healthy respect for the other's ability.
And if NATO does anything that completely humiliates itself on the world stage, that would be destabilizing.
So I think that is also one of these factors, Steve, that NATO is now extremely concerned.
with the way that the counteroffensive isn't going well.
And one of the reasons it's not going well is because the Ukrainians are just reverting to their their first tried and tested military approaches rather than the approach that the Americans.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But this gets back to this, but this gets back to the point I made a moment ago, is that the entire construct was sold as all of NATO coming in with whatever arms they had, and particularly mobile, whether Bradley fighting vehicles or tanks, in that the infantry here was going to be it was going to be what we call combined arms.
It was going to be both air, Tanks for mobility, mounted infantry, and Bradley fighting vehicles for mobility, and artillery, and obviously close air support.
That is enormously, and it seemed to me that NATO and particularly the Biden regime and the Pentagon pushed that hard.
This is why we were saying that we had Jack Posobiec on here months ago.
Just knowing how difficult this is for the Americans to fight like this.
This takes years of training, and we have combat training centers to do the desert training of combined arms.
It's out, I think, in Fort Irwin, out in the Mojave Desert.
We've got training facilities all over to train.
In fact, before World War II, they had a huge training exercise that went on, I don't know, for a couple of months to get people ready in 1939 for potential, in 1940, for a potential war in Europe.
And we were so ill-prepared in the North African campaign is the reason Patton came and Eisenhower had to relieve a bunch of generals.
This is enormously difficult.
It takes armies' practices and protocols and procedures, and you have to do it second nature.
NATO and those guys all because they saw what the Russians were doing and how the Russians were digging on defense and so they thought oh we're going to go to maneuver warfare.
I'm not so sure that was Zelensky's or his generals first I think they got sold that because not just glamorous you get a lot more equipment you get a lot and that's what I'm saying we have to have tanks we have to have fighter aircraft we have to have all this.
I'm not sure that It came up from the Ukrainians themselves.
I think that was, once again, the Western approach to war that we have, the construct we have.
I mean, the Wehrmacht had the same kind of construct.
Complete mobile infantry, tank warfare.
It didn't work out too well.
I think what happened and I will take a break.
I want to talk to you about this and I'm not sure I disagree with Zelensky in the senior command because they have a troop problem.
Remember, one of the biggest things they're getting in Ukraine right now is they're having a tough time getting conscripts.
I don't think there's a ton of volunteers that now want to go back and take back the Donbass from the Russians or Crimea.
They have a manpower problem.
They're having a problem recruiting people.
A lot of people trying to sneak out of the country or just not serve.
And so, just like the British in World War II, making sure that they don't lose their manpower is of paramount importance.
Anyway, Ben Harnwell, we got a lot to go through.
The situation in Ukraine, and this is going to be a centerpiece of what happens when we get back in Congress in September.
Short break, back in a moment.
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War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, welcome back.
Ben, I want to go to, first I want your observation on that, but I got to go to this you have from the intelligence update from Defense Intelligence about the undergrowth.
If Memphis can put that, does Memphis have that?
We're going through the 79th anniversary of Normandy.
As we said, one of the issues in Combined Arms is Was they weren't prepared for Normandy were the hedgerows.
I forget how you pronounce it, Ben.
Bocage, I think in French.
These massive hedgerows were running around from time immemorial.
They didn't realize how bad it was going to be.
And that slowed down our armor and our mounted infantry.
And it's one of the reasons led to the slaughter until they could figure that out and eventually push the way and kind of slog through it to have the breakout later.
It was horrible for the Americans.
Here, I mean, really, you've got this, you've got this, they didn't, in this thing, it talks about the fields have laid fallow for, what, a year?
Yeah.
Underbrush.
I mean, it seems like just a reach, and this is the type of things they're trying to reach out to now, because I don't think That they fully appreciated at the time how difficult this was going to be to actually pull off.
And this is why I keep talking about lambs led to slaughter.
I believe that this was a NATO, American-driven strategy of mobile warfare that is incredibly effective.
Takes literally years and years and years of training to have those kind of muscles, you know, the muscle memory, you know, of how to deal this in its complexity.
And I think that's one of the reasons you're seeing this thing grind down now.
Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Steve, I have to tip my hat to the woman posse here because it was Someone on one of our, one of the members of the posse that tipped me off about this here that I'm going to go through now.
And that's why the most informed participants in this debate is taking place on Getter.
The interaction there is outstanding.
Close that bracket.
What was just up on the screen a moment or so ago?
That's this is the official UK Ministry of Defence Twitter feed.
Readily identifiable by the hashtag stand with Ukraine, with bookended on either side with the Ukraine flag.
And here is their attempt to put into a context the slow progress of the, or lack of progress, of the counter offensive.
And this is what the official Ministry of Defence Tutankhamen is attributing the delays to undergrowth.
As you said, undergrowth growing across the battlefields of southern Ukraine is likely one factor contributing to the generally slow progress of combat in the area.
And they themselves say that the predominantly arable land in the combat zone has now been left fallow for 18 months with the return of weeds and shrubs.
Accelerating under the warm, damp summer conditions.
And then it just goes on. Steve, unlike the context of France 70 years ago, I think this is just, my only comment that I can put on this is to quote verbatim what you said, what you posted on Getter last week to some such deception from the mainstream media.
You said, this is how dumb they think you are.
And that's the only comment I can put on top of this, on top of that.
That's the official UK Ministry for Defence Twitter account.
We're going to stick with the counter offensive, however.
Memphis, if you'd very kindly put up for me the BBC article, that should be the third article in my list.
The headline is Ukraine counter offensive against Russia yields only small gains in the first two months.
So really, you know, if we're dealing with a BBC article and you want to see that the buried lead, what do you do?
You scroll right down to the very bottom.
Which is what we're going to do here.
And I'll just pick out a couple of choice excerpts.
Literally, we're talking the final sentences of this article.
Ultimately, the BBC say time is not on Ukraine's side.
And then for Kiev, the clock is ticking.
Meanwhile, Russia simply has to hang on to the territory it has illegally seized.
The rest of the article is basically a watered down version of anything you will have heard.
on the war room over the last year and a half.
But it is interesting to see that the British state-owned media now is starting to push forward at a different editorial position from the one it had been.
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Hang on for one second.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on, Ben, for one second.
Ben, can you hear me?
Yes.
Okay, fine.
Yeah, I want to make sure people understand that this is going to make it more difficult.
The Brits in particular are under enormous pressure.
You just had a defense minister resign.
You're under enormous pressure because, and you guys come as close as Poland does to actually fulfilling your obligations under NATO to get as close as possible to 2% of GDP.
of your GDP for defense spending, but you're under enormous—the Brits are under an enormous problem.
You're running out of ammo.
The country's got an economic crisis right now.
They can't figure out how they're going to pay for anything.
They've got the national health services upside down.
There's all types of talk about actually cutting the need to cut the defense budget in Britain.
They were all, the British elites, Boris Johnson particularly, they were all in a thousand percent on this.
And Boris Johnson, who to me is one of the great villains in this entire piece, has been promoting people about how the Spring Offensive, how, you know, he was one of the ones that was pushing onto Crimea, right?
And now you're seeing when BBC, the official organ, says that, the British people take that as holy writ.
When they start saying small gains after two months, Given all the pressure that Britain's under for economic policy, unable to pay their own bills, all these issues on their own financial crisis, this is going to make, as soon as the first one that cuts and runs, boom, that's going to make this coalition, it's going to make it virtually impossible for anybody to write big checks or continue to write big checks.
Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely right, Steve.
Yeah, we said, I think, Twelve months ago, analysing the potential rollout of this war, we said that fundamentally this war isn't going to be won on the battlefields of Ukraine, it will be won in the ballot boxes of the United States and the UK.
Very much indicating that it was the maintaining of popular support in these financial and military contributing countries that was going to dictate the fundamental And I think this is what we're seeing now in real time.
We said this a year ago.
It's taken more time than I expected, but it is certainly now.
Reality is starting to kick in and you can't spend money.
You can't give money away.
You can't give wealth away that hasn't been created.
And we have substantial problems, economic problems right around the West.
Thanks to Covid, thanks to the lockdowns.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thanks to the insane policy of sanctions against Russia and all of these But if you, if you're, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't show, if you don't show, um, real battlefield gains from this spring offensive, how is, how is, uh, the Tor, how are the Tories going to back this at all?
How are you going to back the types of the level that Ukraine needs?
And remember the whole thing about being an ingrate, I think was most, uh, came up really in England or between the UK and Zelensky the most.
Their demands have been so, uh, I would say egregious to the British military that you literally, I think, are out of ammo in a lot of different areas.
With the BBC putting that up, how can any politician in England continue to press on this when there's no light at the end of the tunnel?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
That's, you know, that's a very good question.
And I think he's a church in himself way wrestled with and weighed throughout the Second World War.
But of course, that was very much different for Great Britain because we did have it was by the time we entered the war, it was imminently an existential year when we came in, when when the Germans invaded Poland, we came in because we felt that we don't we don't have written Poland's security. And that was considered at that time, certainly by Churchill, to be the red line, because the UK would sooner or later this
point, the UK sooner or later would have to enter this war to fight for itself due to an eventual German attack.
So the whole shtick of Winston Churchill was to persuade the British people that the reality was, as he saw it, that this was an existential fight for Great Britain, fighting the Germans.
Hence the, you know, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
And that was effective because Britain's Listen to his word.
And they they felt themselves that, yes, this is this is existential for the UK because Germany will.
Now, whether Churchill was right or not, historians have never really been unanimous on that.
Some some historians departing from the flock have said, actually, Germany wouldn't have attacked Britain.
But put that to the side.
Churchill was effective because he was able to convince Great Britain that the Second World War was existential for Great Britain and the Empire.
We're not in that situation now, despite whatever President Zelensky says about he's on the front line here because he's fighting against Russians on the eastern frontier of Europe.
Because if he doesn't, the Russians are going to roll through into the rest of continental Europe.
Well, nobody believes this.
I can understand why he's saying it from his perspective.
It's a smart move.
It's a smart thing to say.
But it's not going to have the resonance that Churchill had 70 years ago, because it doesn't strike most people as being true.
And it doesn't strike British taxpayers as being true.
And it doesn't strike American taxpayers as being true either.
That's the fundamental difference between then and now.
We don't have an existential interest in this war.
You said that, Steve, I think within 24 hours of the war, when President Biden rolled up and said, look, we're going to support Ukraine because it's a fight for democracy.
He said, look, let the president come to Congress and explain To unify joint congress, exactly what America's interests are in Ukraine.
And you said this basically every day for three months.
And then you gave up because, you know, there's this because it wasn't going to happen.
But but that's the point.
That's the difference between then and now.
We don't have an existential interest in this.
Taxpayers know it.
And therefore they're going to start making themselves make that dissatisfaction known ever more clearly.
And that actually is.
I did want to say to respond to what you said just before the break about the difference in strategies, because actually it has a part to play here.
In essence, the fundamental difference between the NATO way of looking at this war and the Ukrainian way of looking at this war is that Ukraine has been, this is a blinder by Putin, Ukraine has been pulled into fighting the same sort of war of attrition that Russia wants them to fight.
Russia's interest in this, its strategy, has always been, since it realised after The first 10 days that NATO was actually going to get involved in this, and it wasn't going to be just a simple case of steamrolling into Kiev.
Russia then had a choice.
It was either to retreat or to stay in and play the long game and wait for precisely the dynamics that you were just describing to come into play.
So Russia has been playing really from day 10 onwards, day 40 onwards, a war of attrition to bind Ukraine down.
One of the reasons is, of course, is that Zelensky, as I mentioned last time on the show, gave an interview last week where he said this is going to be a war of attrition for 10 years and Putin won't even be alive at the end of it.
Well, simply, is that just rhetoric from his part, or is that actually what his intelligence and his military advisers are saying to him?
Because if it is, it's fundamentally, faithfully a miscalculation on Zelensky's part, because the West isn't in for a war of attrition.
This is what you were just saying.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
This is why I said earlier before the break, I'm not so sure his own country is.
I'm not so sure.
Remember, he's banned all opposition.
I mean, even in World War II, there was there was opposition to different tactics that were going on during the war and investigations of Pearl Harbor.
President Lincoln, during a civil war, had had a large dissension inside of Congress.
Some that thought they were fighting to, you know, the still associated the Democrats that thought he was fighting too hard.
Others that thought he wasn't taking a torch to the enemy.
Zelensky has basically banned all opposition.
But even in that, I think you're getting a feel that they're not getting the volunteers they need.
And here, you can't blame the Ukrainian people.
So many of the best and the brightest, so many of the most courageous, those with the greatest futures in front of them, those with the most valor, have already been destroyed in this charnel house.
That's been the Ukraine war.
And for him to speak of war of attrition is insanity.
He can't afford to fight a war of attrition with the Russians.
The Russian army, the same Russian army that, and it's obviously not, it's not anywhere near the combat capability that the Russian army had that defeated the Wehrmacht, but the Russians know how to fight.
And they're not particularly sensitive to how many casualties they take.
That's what's happening.
Ben, you've got the Daily Telegraph piece I do want to get to.
We've got about two minutes here.
Can you walk us quickly through that before we punch?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, absolutely.
Though I did have a good comeback to what you were just saying.
I'll hold it over to the next show.
This is the headline here, Memphis, if you'd be so kind, fourth and final article, The State of Ukraine's Counteroffensive.
I'm just going to Well, right down to the bottom of the article, because that's where the buried leads are.
There is a very real possibility we may see no significant shift this year in the front lines from where they are today.
It then mentions the dynamic that the U.S.
elections are going to play, both that Ukraine will influence the U.S.
elections and then the result of the U.S.
elections will come back and affect Ukraine.
And I will conclude with this excerpt.
It will not be long before the issue of support for Ukraine becomes an even more fevered topic in U.S.
politics than it already is.
If the conflict freezes roughly along the lines as they are today, there will not be many more months before Mr. Zelensky may have to change tactics politically.
And I think that hoovers up everything that you were saying, not only with Western dissatisfaction, but also domestic, Ukrainian domestic dissatisfaction.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
For MAGA, this is going to be big.
This is going to be one of the biggest issues when they come back in September about these spending bills going on.
They want a Ukraine supplemental.
We're saying, hey, the defense budget ought to be cut pretty dramatically.
Ben, where do people go get all your analysis?
Great job.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Steve.
Geta, simply tap in my surname, Harnwell, at Harnwell.
And as I said, when I posted this video up on Geta, I'm going to put it in the descriptions.
Follow the link to Rumble, because there's slightly more space on Rumble.
I'll put in all the links of all the articles that I've gone through with Steve on the show today there on Rumble.
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thank you, sir.
Okay.
Thank you.
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I am bound for the promised land.
Oh, who will come and go with me?
I am bound for the promised land For all those wide extended plains shine on eternal day There God the sun forever reigns and scatters night away
I am bound for the promised land Oh who will come and go with me?
I am bound for the promised land.
No chillin' winds, nor poisonous breath Can reach that helpful shore.
Sickness and sorrow, pain and death are felt and feared no more.
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