Aug. 5, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| Peace out yo! | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. | ||
| It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room, Battleground. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, we're so packed today. | ||
| Friday, 4 August, Year of the Lord 2023. | ||
| Thank you for keeping it steady on the dial for the fourth hour of the War Room today, the late afternoon, early evening show. | ||
| We're going to start with too much to do to even do a cold open. | ||
| I got Gunny, Sonny Borelli. | ||
| Gunny Borelli. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| You guys put out some proclamation or some sort of alert from senators. | ||
| I think it was a committee or it was you, Senator Rogers, others. | ||
| But then just a couple of days ago, the reason we're going to have you on here, Mojave County, the great folks over in Mojave County, I think the supervisors voted against All paper ballots. | ||
| And they had two reasons. | ||
| First off was cost. | ||
| They said, hey, we're broke. | ||
| It's going to cost us a million dollars. | ||
| We can't do it. | ||
| But they also mentioned the efficiency of it. | ||
| Gunny Borelli, can you walk us through exactly what's happening in Arizona? | ||
| Because you've seen over the last couple of days, we don't have an option. | ||
| And Caroline Wren's going to be here in a second. | ||
| We don't have an option. | ||
| We have to win in 2024. | ||
| So what's going on with paper ballots hand count in Arizona, sir? | ||
| Oh, first off, we need to make sure that we have free and fair elections, period. | ||
| That it's not compromised by a machine that nobody has any kind of oversight over. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Senate passed a Senate concurrent resolution 1037, which actually outlined all the irregularities that we found over the last three years. | ||
| And prior to that, all the problems with electronic voting systems. | ||
| You know, Secretary of Homeland Security has said that in 2017, Elections are part of critical infrastructure and therefore they should have the same standards for cybersecurity of that of our weapons systems. | ||
| So we passed that resolution out of the Senate and the House concurring and it got transmitted to the Secretary of State's office. | ||
| And that's, you know what, we wanted to expose this stuff to show the counties that they have cover and cause and reason to be able to take those electronic voting systems and not use them because they're not mandated to be used by law. | ||
| So therefore, if they're not mandated to be used by law, you can do a 100% hand count of paper ballots. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unfortunately, Mojave County supervisors voted against doing a hand count of paper ballots because the election director, a county employee staff, came up with a plan that was so cumbersome that obviously I would have been saying, no, you can't use that system because that system is cumbersome. | ||
| He took seven people to do Uh, 850 ballots. | ||
| It took them forever and there was mistakes. | ||
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You're right. | |
| I watched him do this. | ||
| Uh, he gave us a demonstration. | ||
| And so that's ridiculous because you're going to have mistakes when you go down an entire ballot. | ||
| I propose that you do 18. | ||
| Separate teams for separate races and you do it that way. | ||
| And of course he said, it's going to take 245 or 250 people to do that. | ||
| I said, well, that's not a problem. | ||
| I've already got 300 people that literally signed up within a matter of a week, signed up to volunteer and we just started. | ||
| So to come up with these roadblocks and speed bumps and all these other excuses to not do it. | ||
| Yeah, look, you know, I was in the Marines and when we heard the word can't, can't means won't. | ||
| And that's exactly what the election director wanted to do was he didn't want to do it. | ||
| So he wanted to come up with, you know, a very egregious, you know, difficult thing to do and, and to obviously give all the reasons to vote no. | ||
| And of course, one of the supervisors are concerned about the cost because they would have to rent the county fairgrounds to do this, which is ridiculous. | ||
| Why does the county have to rent the county facility that they already own? | ||
| So I mean, it was all garbage. | ||
| It was all BS at the end of it all, no matter what, no matter how they spin it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What we have here is literally elected officials at the County level have surrendered their authority to unelected staff employees to protect a third party vendor that has zero oversight. | ||
| A hand count paper ballot gives 100% transparency. | ||
| Of the election. | ||
| Actually, it might even reduce the challenges on recounts because we're talking five people or seven people per team. | ||
| You'd have to unanimously agree that candidate A got a vote. | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| So the only thing that is transparent here is they don't want transparency. | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| But the most, like I said, the most egregious offense is an elected official by the people to protect the people and serve the people. | ||
| Not serve the county staff or employees or whatever that apparatus is. | ||
| Same thing on the city level. | ||
| You know, and I see this all the time in government where elected officials just go along with whatever the staff says. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| We call that staff infection. | ||
| You know, if you got good staff, it's one thing, you know, to listen to them. | ||
| But, you know, the mindset should have been with come up with a plan that can be done working with party officials, volunteers, That will alleviate all the logistical needs and problems that may arise. | ||
| And the reason why I love to go from Mojave County first was our election department is, you know, our election director, he's a very diligent guy. | ||
| He's been there for a long time, got a lot of expertise, very experienced. | ||
| And there's a guy I can trust that's going to make sure that he's going to supervise it and make sure it gets done properly. | ||
| So I have full faith and trust and confidence in Mr. Tempert. | ||
| But I wanted him to use his expertise to actually supervise a process that would make sure that everything is done properly, because he's got that expertise. | ||
| He's got 20 years of experience here in Mojave County, for God's sake. | ||
| So, you know, unfortunately, at the end of the day, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| The most egregious violation of an elected official is surrendering their authority to Unelected bureaucrats to protect a third-party vendor because it's not mandated to be used. | ||
| These machines are not mandated by law to be used as a primary source. | ||
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It may use, it's not shall be used. | |
| So if you're not mandated to use the machines of any sort, okay, how else would you do it? | ||
| See, what we're relying here on is making sure that the electricity is staying on to make sure that they're running our elections. | ||
| But to surrender your authority to a third party vendor that has zero oversight is completely off the charts, major offensive to anybody. | ||
| Republican, Democrat, Independent, I don't care. | ||
| Bottom line is that you surrendered your authority that we have given you to be able to do to protect the people, not protect the government staff. | ||
| The Democrats have been coming after me and Senator Rodgers and myself along with their mainstream media propaganda partners attacking the hell out of us which just makes me laugh because Wow. | ||
| Here's somebody that, oh, the media wants transparency, but yet they don't want transparency on the elections. | ||
| The elections don't belong to us elected officials. | ||
| They belong to the people. | ||
| And the call to action is they need to step up, go to their county elected officials and demand to go to hand count paper ballot, pure and simple. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| They just don't need to demand it. | ||
| They need to step up and volunteer and do it for free, for free. | ||
| For free. | ||
| I call on several veterans. | ||
| Look, you had to pick up a rifle. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| All you gotta do now is pick up a pen and mark. | ||
| Candidate A gets a tick mark. | ||
| Candidate B gets a tick mark. | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| You do the hand count, paper ballot, pure and simple. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Danny Borelli. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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It's perfect. | |
| We wanted to get you jacked up. | ||
| Here's what you've got to help me out with. | ||
| The whole world is watching Arizona. | ||
| The whole world is watching Mojave County. | ||
| You've got the 2020 election. | ||
| The big steal started in Arizona on global television with Fox. | ||
| In 2022, both Trump and Kerry Lake are kind of global figures. | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| I mean, can Mojave County be unrun? | ||
| If you can't get it done in Mojave County, How are you ever going to get it done in the rest of the state, places like Phoenix and Tucson? | ||
| Well, to that point, Senator Rogers and myself, we've already gone to Gila County, spoke to their Board of Supervisors, laid out all the evidence and everything and show them what they can do. | ||
| And as a matter of fact, Wednesday, we went to Pinal County. | ||
| Next week, we're going to another county. | ||
| So we're doing the roadshow on this and going throughout the entire state. | ||
| And we're trying to get this in front of every county supervisor we can. | ||
| Once again, the media's attacking us. | ||
| I mean, they're literally trolling us. | ||
| I mean, it wasn't very long after we did the presentation at Pinal County. | ||
| It was already in the Cap-Times yellow sheet. | ||
| Now they're bashing us in the Arizona Mirror, which is really not even a newspaper. | ||
| They're an online news source that's actually backed by a nonprofit back east in the Carolinas. | ||
| You know, this is, you know, when we're talking fake news, this is the mainstream media propaganda partner. | ||
| So, and the Democrats using it. | ||
| And Adrian Fontes, the Secretary of State, has already laid out that he's throwing the gauntlet down on any county that wants to oppose, you know, the electronic voting systems. | ||
| They're going to get challenged and sued in court. | ||
| Well, that's what bullies do. | ||
| I'm just trying to empower that the county supervisors have the authority to do this, and they have to have the courage to do this. | ||
| Now, you know, I've been told that the On the judiciary side of things, where it's been put out there that any lawyer that steps up to challenge any elections is going to be sued and sanctioned and disbarred. | ||
| If that isn't fascism and tyranny, I don't know what is. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
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People need to step up. | |
| It's sure it's fascism. | ||
| So give me the call to action. | ||
| What are people in Arizona supposed to do? | ||
| And what is this vast audience throughout the United States? | ||
| What do you want people to do? | ||
| Because we got to reverse this. | ||
| If you don't get these machines out in Arizona, you're not going to have a free and fair election. | ||
| So how should we do it? | ||
| You know, every cyber security computer person that I've known, that I've met, and these are experts, they've all said that, you know what, just because it goes scanned through the machine, it gets in the computer. | ||
| You don't know how it actually got scanned. | ||
| You know, the vote was, you know, counted as cast. | ||
| Even the Democrats in the 2020 Democratic Party platform said, you know, they demand that every opportunity should be to afford the voter that every vote is cast and counted. | ||
| Uh, as, as cast. | ||
| Well, you don't know to verify. | ||
| You can't verify that in a computer. | ||
| So every computer expert says that's, you know, that these things are not reliable and we need to go back to hand count, paper ballot. | ||
| So, and even Kamala Harris said it when she was a Senator, uh, in a Senate hearing, when she was a Senator that says, Oh my God, right in front of me and staff, they hacked into these machines. | ||
| We need to go back to paper ballot, hand count. | ||
| This is a no brainer. | ||
| So the call to action is this. | ||
| Contact your County Board of Supervisors. | ||
| And demand that they go to a hand count paper ballot. | ||
| Here's another thing from Maricopa County. | ||
| Maricopa County is scheduled to renew their contract with Dominion in March, April timeframe. | ||
| So we need to demand that. | ||
| Save the money. | ||
| Don't renew the contract. | ||
| The systems have flaws in it. | ||
| You want to restore confidence in the elections? | ||
| Go back to the local precinct and count paper ballots. | ||
| If they want to do a ballot on demand, guess what? | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's printed off on a different size. | ||
| It's still a paper ballot and it can be counted. | ||
| And that is the receipt of an actual vote, not a data. | ||
| Mojave County. | ||
| People know that you don't have to make the argument for this audience about paper ballots. | ||
| Can Mojave County be reversed? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes, it can. | ||
| And how would you recommend? | ||
| How do you recommend people do that? | ||
| People need to contact all their boards of every county supervisor in Mojave County. | ||
| They need to call Gila County, Pima County, Pinal County. | ||
| They need to call every county in Arizona. | ||
| And they need to convince and tell their boards of supervisors, this is what you're supposed to be doing and representing us, the people. | ||
| This is what we want. | ||
| We want to make sure we want to restore confidence in the elections. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| This might even alleviate the problems of recounts. | ||
| Because the recount is because of the recount of the machine. | ||
| Say, the data that's in a machine. | ||
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You got to go back to a paper ballot. | |
| If you have a 100% paper ballot hand count, And if you want to run it through a tabulator to make sure the numbers are right, go for it. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| We want to make sure it's right, regardless of who wins or who loses. | ||
| The people demand total transparency. | ||
| They're entitled to it. | ||
| It's their birthright. | ||
| That ballot is their currency as an American citizen. | ||
| And when it comes to cost, give me a break. | ||
| That money's been paid for by the blood and treasure of our predecessors. | ||
| Gunny Borelli, where do people go to find out more about you at your website and social media? | ||
| I don't really go much on social media. | ||
| I'm on Instagram. | ||
| I'm on Twitter. | ||
| I don't really interact with a lot of people. | ||
| I'll post something every now and then. | ||
| But I'm just staying focused on this because I don't need the distractions. | ||
| Bottom line is this. | ||
| They need to contact their county board of supervisors because they have the authority to do this. | ||
| They don't have to be told. | ||
| The legislature doesn't need to enforce this and force it on them. | ||
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They have the authority. | |
| That's the big myth that everybody's been perpetrating by the Democrats and the mainstream media and the propaganda partners that this can't be done. | ||
| Can't means won't. | ||
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They have the authority to do this. | |
| You know, so the machines are not mandated by law to be used in the first place. | ||
| If you can't use it, if you're not mandated to use it, how else would you count the ballots? | ||
| Simple as that. | ||
| And people, if you get on the ballot system, don't wait to the last minute to drop your ballot off at the ballot box. | ||
| Take it during an early voting and get in the system to make sure your signature is counted, your signature is verified, and your vote is cast, and it's counted as cast, and to make sure that nobody else voted in your place, because there are ghost voters out there, we believe, and if somebody says, hey, sorry, you already voted, well, wait a minute, call your county sheriff and demand to open up an investigation, because that's possible identity theft. | ||
| Senator Borrelli, thank you very much. | ||
| The impassioned fight for a paper ballot, one-day, game-day voting, and also hand-counted. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Sir, thank you. | ||
| Prove your neck, hire a vet. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Caroline Wren, you see the fight before us, right? | ||
| You got the state parties that are broke. | ||
| The local parties are broke. | ||
| The donors have cut it off. | ||
| You got, you know, people are at each other's throats. | ||
| Do you ballot harvest? | ||
| Do you go to the paper ballots? | ||
| Your thoughts? | ||
| Yeah, it's, it's, it's difficult, but I think we need a, um, all of the above approach to it, right? | ||
| We need to focus on election integrity. | ||
| We need to focus on registering voters. | ||
| We need to focus on turning them out. | ||
| And if that means showing up on election day, great. | ||
| If you want to be voting early, great. | ||
| If you want to vote by mail, you know, Republicans used to have confidence in that system. | ||
| I understand why people don't, but there are people who are older and who like that as an option. | ||
| We just, we need all of the above approach right now to get this done. | ||
| And the most important thing right now, I would say is voter registration. | ||
| Now is the time to be increasing the voter registration. | ||
| That can be done through C3s or C4s or Super PACs or anything else, but there's a lot of priorities that need to be funded right now, and I'm hearing a lot from donors that they're a little bit lost as to what they should be focusing on. | ||
| Well, how can they be lost? | ||
| I mean, they know the building blocks we have to do. | ||
| First off, we have to clean up the voter rolls. | ||
| We have to deregister the dead and the non-citizens, the people who don't live there anymore, right? | ||
| So make sure that's only legitimate ballots. | ||
| So we got to deregister the non-real voters so they just can't do the same scam they did before, plus register. | ||
| But how can the donors be lost? | ||
| This is not astrophysics, is it? | ||
| Well, I mean, you can't donate to clean up the voter rolls right now. | ||
| The problem we have is Nevada, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia. | ||
| Those are the only six states, as far as 2024 is concerned, that matter. | ||
| And it's also overlapping with several Senate races. | ||
| Now, in all those states, with the exception of Georgia, we have a Democrat governor, Democrat legislatures. | ||
| In Arizona, you have a Republican legislature, but the governor won't sign any legislation you pass. | ||
| You have Democrat AGs and Democrat secretaries of state. | ||
| So, you know, a donor or grassroots activist can't just, like, lean up the voter rolls. | ||
| This is done through the people that we elect to these offices. | ||
| And so this is why we have an issue. | ||
| And until we can get Republicans into office, it is one thing to say, OK, we want, you know, we're going to get all paper ballots and clean up our voter rolls. | ||
| But you can't do that. | ||
| That is through the Secretary of State's office. | ||
| And so, you know, You can't do that in Arizona, Pennsylvania, in these states. | ||
| And so until then, we have to play the game the Democrats are playing. | ||
| And we need to register and turn out an overwhelming amount of people to try to just bombard the system, because there's not another answer there. | ||
| And so from funding priorities, it's not like you can't just go fund some James Bond operations to go clean up voter rolls. | ||
| We have to look towards other ways and actually do things that are constructive. | ||
| Talk to me about these, you've had the precinct strategy to take over a number of these parties. | ||
| Have the donors cut them off? | ||
| I mean, why do we have problems, particularly I think there's huge highlights and problems in Michigan and I believe Arizona to start off with, but there's problems in Minnesota and a couple more where the grassroots has actually gotten active. | ||
| The business community and the elite donors have said, we're not interested. | ||
| Yeah, and I think there are some donors I'm finding are very interested, but they don't really know where to give. | ||
| And where the Democrats were very smart is that, I'd like to walk through for a second here the different ways that you can fund. | ||
| So there are non-profits. | ||
| 501c3s are tax-deductible. | ||
| And then you have 501c4s, which are not tax-deductible, but they can accept unlimited money, and it's not disclosed, and it can be used for political activity. | ||
| And then you have super PACs, which are called 527s. | ||
| They can take unlimited money, it is disclosed, And they can actually spend on elections. | ||
| So what that means in reality is a 501c3 can actually do voter registration. | ||
| So like Planned Parenthood is a 501c3, for example. | ||
| Turning Point USA on the other side is a 501c3 that's doing great work among Republicans. | ||
| And so then you have 501c4s, which they can actually say, you know, call Matt Gaetz and tell him he's doing great work. | ||
| They cannot say to vote for someone on that day. | ||
| A Super PAC can say, vote for Matt Gaetz on X day. | ||
| So those are the three entities that we see. | ||
| And Republicans are doing a lot through super PACs while the Democrats have been utilizing C3s and C4s. | ||
| And why that's so interesting is that most Republican donors are not aware that you can actually do things like voter registration through 501C3s. | ||
| That's how you can do voter registration drives in your churches. | ||
| And so we need to be presenting them with organizations that are doing that. | ||
| And C3s and C4s are kind of a tough barrier to starting. | ||
| You start a C3, it takes about a year to even become IRS compliant. | ||
| And so it's harder for these grassroots groups to just pop up an organization like that. | ||
| And so there are some groups, I think, that are doing things very well. | ||
| You know, for Carrie, she has Save Arizona Fund, which is a 501c4, which has been doing a lot of the legal work in the state of Arizona. | ||
| And we've also just switched to a voter registration model as well, where we're going to be focusing heavily on that. | ||
| And then Turning Point USA has a C3 and a C4. | ||
| They're doing incredible work on this. | ||
| And so I would look at those things. | ||
| And you have party committees. | ||
| Party committees are state by state, different laws. | ||
| Some can take corporate money. | ||
| Some can take only personal. | ||
| Some can take unlimited. | ||
| Depends by the state. | ||
| But the states I would encourage people to look at to give to are the Georgia GOP. | ||
| They just got a new chair, Josh McCoon, who's incredible. | ||
| The Wisconsin GOP, their new chair, Brian Schimming, is another great MAGA patriot that just got elected. | ||
| The Nevada GOP is run by Michael McDonald, who is just an absolute rock star, like biggest Trump supporter you will find. | ||
| Arizona GOP, thank God you have the safe hands of Tyler Boyer, the national committeeman there, so I really trust him. | ||
| Michigan GOP, Christina Karama is incredible and she's just come in. | ||
| Pennsylvania GOP, that's one I've heard from some of the grassroots that they're a little upset with him. | ||
| I'm actually going to Pennsylvania on Tuesday to figure out what is the best place to do it. | ||
| Is it the party? | ||
| Do we need to set up a structure outside of it? | ||
| And so we're working on all these things. | ||
| And so I would encourage, if anyone wants to kind of talk through funding priorities, what they should be doing, they can email me. | ||
| It would be cwren5024 at protonmail.com. | ||
| I'm going to start putting together sort of a newsletter to highlight these different things. | ||
| And then the last thing is the Trump campaign. | ||
| I'm getting a lot of people are just not wanting to give online and through WinRed, which I understand, but it's scary to me that we don't have an online platform that people can be giving to, but I'm also one of the ones who led the charge against the frustration of WinRed, which has never been corrected. | ||
| And so to give by check, there are three entities for Trump. | ||
| There's something called the Donald J. Trump for President and Save America Leadership Pack. | ||
| It's a JFC, they're together, and so it's the Trump Save America JFC. | ||
| That can accept up to $11,600 per person or $23,200 per couple. | ||
| And a campaign like that can only accept personal money, no corporate. | ||
| If you want to give by check, you would send that check made out to Trump Save America JFC. | ||
| It will be mailed to P.O. | ||
| Box 13570. | ||
| Arlington, Virginia, 22219. And then there's also a corresponding super PAC, which is called the MAGA Inc. That can accept unlimited donations, personal or corporate, and it is disclosed. | ||
| And then they announced this week that Trump has started a legal fund as well. And this is a legal fund that actually is not covering President Trump's legal bills. | ||
| It's covering the legal bills of all the staff and all these others who are being attacked by the DOJ. And that's called the Patriot Legal Defense Fund. And that is also an entity that's not disclosed and can take unlimited money. | ||
| So I know that's a lot for people to download, but I'm getting a lot of questions about this, so I wanted to walk through what all that looks like, and I'm certainly happy to help people as they start to look at all this. | ||
| You had warned about this. | ||
| Is the RNC broke? | ||
| Yes, and I think I have about $10 million cash on hand, which is not going to get it done. | ||
| And the way that it works is the RNC raises a lot of this money, and then they transfer it down to the state parties. | ||
| And as I was doing the RNC battle, when I was working with Harmeet and Mike Wendell to try and take out Ronna McDaniel, what I learned from a lot of these state party chairs is that they just have to sit around and basically wait for this transfer from the RNC. | ||
| And they never know how much money it's going to be, and that you have to kind of keep in Ronna's good graces to be able to get it. | ||
| And so that to me, I'm like, what a flawed system. | ||
| People should just be giving straight into these party committees that matter versus having to go through the RNC and wait for this trickle down system. | ||
| And this is why right now you're seeing these new party chairs, all those states that I just laid out, those are like great MAGA Patriot chairs that have just been elected in the last year, with the exception of Michael McDonnell, who's been there for forever, but again, is a rock star. | ||
| But they need help. | ||
| And so I, I just think that it's smarter just to give the checks directly into your, these party clubs versus having to go through the national committee. | ||
| Uh, how did they get, how did folks get to you? | ||
| Email, social media, all of it, website to go to Carrie, where, where do people go? | ||
| Because there's an intense interest in all of this right now. | ||
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Right. | |
| My social media is at Caroline Wren. | ||
| And then if you want to email me and set up a call or have specific questions or just want to know, you know, what you should be giving to you, you can do C-W-R-E-N-5-0-2-4 at Protonmail.com. | ||
| Caroline, thanks for doing this. | ||
| And, uh, like I said, everybody should follow you on social media. | ||
| It's not quite as, you don't come in as quite as hot as Carrie, but it's always interesting and informative. | ||
| She's the best. | ||
| She's the best. | ||
| Thank you so much, Caroline Wren. | ||
| Um, this whole thing of how you structure, we've got a long, tough fight ahead of us. | ||
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| We're going to talk finance, capital markets, geopolitics, and where your money is going. | ||
| Particularly in Ukraine. | ||
| We're going to talk about Ukraine in a moment. | ||
| Ben Harmon is going to join us in a moment. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
| The month of August people used to say well, that's the month that people take vacations And of course, we're trying to get as much, uh, outdoor activity as we possibly get here in the world. | ||
| We're going to be up every day in August. | ||
| So, so much is going on a couple of things in, um, you know, this Fitch downgrade is deeply disturbing and don't let anybody in the media spin it any other way. | ||
| This is not about the debt ceiling fight. | ||
| This is about. | ||
| The debt ceiling fight that the compromise of McCarthy and with Biden, the analyst over at Fitch realized that that's leading us to the road to perdition. | ||
| It's not the fight itself. | ||
| It's the fact that they don't, in these fights, they don't take the outcome that'll start, at least begin the process for putting the country's finances On stable footing. | ||
| We're heading over the cliff with the pedal down. | ||
| There's just no doubt about it and Fitch knows that. | ||
| There's already been ramifications, right? | ||
| There's gonna be more ramifications coming to your credit card, your mortgages, all of it. | ||
| We're gonna be covering intensely the road to Durban and also at the same time the Jackson Hole Summit of the Central Bankers. | ||
| You have two things going at the same time. | ||
| In Jackson Hole, the swells and your bettors are The guys that control the printing presses, the central banks are going to be sitting there, you know, giving you more happy talk. | ||
| While in Durban, South Africa, the folks of the emerging world that particularly have resources are trying to come up with an alternative to Jackson Hole, or to Bretton Woods, which was the massive monetary conference after the war that set up the post-war economic system and the dollar at the center of that as the prime reserve currency. | ||
| I want to make sure you go to birchgold.com. | ||
| Get the pricey. | ||
| We've done a couple of page pricey on that to get you ready for Durban. | ||
| We're also working on a part four to the end of the Dollar Empire. | ||
| You can download all and get it all for free. | ||
| And also you can talk to one of the Birch consultants. | ||
| One of the issues with Fitch was out of control defense spending. | ||
| The defense bill is a trillion dollars because it's 848 billion dollars, but that doesn't include the intelligence community, doesn't include DHS, the energy department, which is just the nuclear weapons and weapons labs. | ||
| When you add it all up, it's over a trillion dollars. | ||
| And, of course, you're spending that money this week in Niger, where the administrative state's trying to get involved in another firefight over there and send American troops. | ||
| I want to bring in Ben Hornwell, because one of the central parts of getting it back in the capital markets crisis we've got, is to understand the spending and one way to understand the spending is the out-of-control defense spending. | ||
| One of the ways to understand that is what's happening in Ukraine. | ||
| Ben, I just got it and you did the other day but I just want to go back and hit the rewind button on where we stand with the spring offensive and the metastasizing war and all that now and now they want you know start an American draft. | ||
| You had an article but I want to make sure people Appreciate this. | ||
| We've talked about, they've talked about this spring offensive. | ||
| They talked about it. | ||
| You know, Zelensky's gone around and bothered people for this equipment. | ||
| They've put it all in. | ||
| They're not grateful for it. | ||
| And we said before, one of the reasons we're honoring the Battle of Normandy is the Battle of Normandy was just not D-Day. | ||
| That was day one. | ||
| The battle went on to all the way to The early part of August. | ||
| And one of the reasons it went on, it was so bloody and so awful. | ||
| for the British, for Montgomery's British Army and the American Army under Omar Bradley and Patton was that, particularly the American Army, the folks just weren't trained enough. | ||
| They were trained as much as they could for D-Day, but once they got into the French countryside, the combined arms operation of artillery and armor and infantry combined with close air support is enormously complicated. | ||
| American troops couldn't even be that well trained to go up against the Wehrmacht. | ||
| And here we try to take Ukrainian civilians, they really didn't have much of a standing army. | ||
| A lot of that already got chewed up. | ||
| And Ben, we tried to do it in no time, just pure optics. | ||
| And of course, they're getting slaughtered over there. | ||
| The New York Times is reporting, you mentioned it the other day, I just want to drill down a little bit more on it. | ||
| They're sitting there going, hey, thanks for the combined arms training. | ||
| It's not working. | ||
| We're getting killed. | ||
| We're going to go back to our old methods. | ||
| What does that tell us, Ben Harnwell? | ||
| Well, exactly as you're saying, it tells us that it doesn't work, and worse than that, that Ukraine is starting to panic now, as it were, to break formation in its own panic. | ||
| Credit to the New York Times. | ||
| Now, if you go to my getter feed, the most recent thing I posted was this article and also this CNBC thing that we did, that we spoke about two days ago. | ||
| And I suggested that these articles aren't an accident. | ||
| They are an outer, visible manifestation of a hidden, inner reality. | ||
| And that inner, hidden reality is the fact that the US administration are not only, in It's the NATO, all of the NATO allies pivoted formally around the Vilnius, the annual conference and are starting to withdraw from their full on support of President Zelensky. | ||
| But crucially, especially the leadership that is necessary here, because this war really has been maintained from the United States from the first moment. | ||
| The United States can't just abandon a country in this situation. | ||
| Morally, when that country itself, 17 months ago, wanted to pull out of the war, it was the US and Boris Johnson that said, look, stay and we'll give you everything you need. | ||
| If the US is going to pull out now, it needs to do it in a certain way. | ||
| That is to say, giving Ukraine and Russia the support, the moral support both countries need, because there will be a face Saving dynamic on both sides, which is important. | ||
| It's probably the most important consideration. | ||
| The US needs to take this leadership role, encouraging other third party countries that will probably have more credibility with both countries together and guide those countries towards peace. | ||
| What we have now, and this is something that you were pointing out for months, for six months, is the more, sadly, more tragic outcome. | ||
| We're calling President Diem of South Vietnam who was just abandoned. | ||
| It wasn't just a case of being abandoned. | ||
| The CIA almost literally threw the guy under the bus. | ||
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Ben, slow down for a second. | |
| I just want to make sure, and you've covered this as well as anybody, so help me think about it. | ||
| Are the heads of states over there, particularly in France and England, and maybe Germany, are they affronted and tired of Zelensky and just his attitude and the arrogance? | ||
| And even the United States in that. | ||
| Or is it deeper and they understand that this thing is just not going to be won militarily? | ||
| You're just going to suck up more resources, more of their defense, more Ukrainians are going to get killed, more destruction. | ||
| So is it just personality driven and they're tired of this guy? | ||
| Or is it deeper and they realize, hey, as big a pain that Zelensky is, we've got a deeper problem here and we ought to try to get to the negotiating table and figure out the best deal we can get. | ||
| It's not either or, Steve. | ||
| It's both. | ||
| I think both are important dynamics in this. | ||
| In fact, whilst I'm on air, I will find an article that refers specifically to this. | ||
| And it mentions that the European capitals have a fear, a justifiable fear, I think is the expression, that America is going to pull out now and leave Zelensky to his own devices. | ||
| That it doesn't have, because of the changing political winds in the United States, that America doesn't have the stomach to remain in. | ||
| You mean that you're reporting here on War Room, and what Pacific and I add to it, is having an impact now among MAGA and Republican voters? | ||
| Is that what you're saying, that Ben Harnell is actually having an impact? | ||
| It is absolutely having an impact. | ||
| It is probably the most important factor in this calculation because, of course, we're not for MAGA. | ||
| We're not for the champion that MAGA is in the process of choosing to represent it in November 2024. | ||
| This war literally would go on for 10 years. | ||
| I mean, President Zelensky gave an interview. | ||
| a couple of days ago when he actually said that this is going to be a war of attrition now, it's going to be both sides wearing themselves out. And he said, you know, we have what it takes to stay in this fight. He didn't think President Putin would still be alive at the end of this 10 years to see it through. I mentioned this, Steve, in my last tip. | ||
| This is sadly delusional on behalf of President Zelensky, because absolutely this war is not going to be going on for 10 years. | ||
| And if that is his calculation, he's going to ignore every window of opportunity to try and get the best deal for himself and for Ukraine at the negotiating table, because he's going to find himself, if he's still alive, he's going to find himself in a position of zero leverage. | ||
| When it comes to the negotiating table and trying to sit there and discuss and dialogue for a lasting peace. | ||
| Hang on, to get the best deal, since the spring offensive's not getting traction, he's now opening up Moscow's front and he's hammering Moscow with drones and other things, and the Russians are hitting back in Odessa, taking out the grain infrastructure. | ||
| To get the best deal at the table, you've got to take territory, you've got to threaten Crimea. | ||
| If you believe, as I do, that they may be off the table because, hey, they've already chucked, once the New York Times announces they're chucking the American military training of combined arms, then they've got no shot, right? | ||
| So is it only an escalation of going after Moscow? | ||
| Is that what he believes now he's got to do to get any kind of leverage to get to the negotiating table and trying to cut some deal that not only saves face, but get something out of this entire fiasco for the Ukrainian people? | ||
| I think it's clear, Steve, that the idea that President Zelensky is going to be able to achieve anything like his earlier ambitions with regards to this counter-offensive, that is simply not participating in reality. | ||
| In Memphis, I could call up Article 2B, which is the Guardian piece here. | ||
| This is the Guardian, right? | ||
| This is an article that goes through, and I do want to come back and hit the New York Times one, because that's also very good. | ||
| But seeing as, Steve, you asked about this counter-offensive, here are just some select quotes, and then I'm going to answer your question on the back of this. | ||
| It says here, the opening lines of this article, the first casualty of the Ukrainian counter-offensive was wishful thinking. | ||
| There's a line further on down here, in the context of it saying most military experts argue it's Far too early to declare a failure. | ||
| But there is this takeaway that there is no question that the counter-offensive has not lived up to general expectations in Western capitals and is way behind the more optimistic schedules. | ||
| You know, just read through this article. | ||
| This is the left-wing press. | ||
| This is like the UK's equivalent to the New York Times. | ||
| It is just an analysis how the counter-offensive has failed. | ||
| So the idea that at the negotiating table, Zelensky can sit there and say, well, look, you know, You know, we might take Crimea, we might leave it with Russia, let's sit and talk. | ||
| This is ever more ridiculous because there is no counter-offensive that is viable, at least at the present stage, without NATO entering explicitly. | ||
| There is no path to these things for Zelensky. | ||
| So his negotiation at this point is largely based on the threat of NATO coming in and, well, the bluff of NATO. | ||
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| And when the Guardian's reporting that, it's pretty startling. | ||
| engineer something on the back of that. | ||
| But the more time passes, the more this is exposed as a bluff and the less and less he's going to get. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And when the Guardian's reporting that, it's pretty startling. | ||
| Continue on, Ben. | ||
| Well, you know, it's not just the Guardian. | ||
| There is this article that we flagged up a couple of days ago on the wall. | ||
| This is the article, I think it's 2A off memory, or 2B. | ||
| Ukrainian troops trained by the West stumble in battle and it is exactly as you were suggesting Steve, an exposition of how you can't win a war against a drilled operation like Russia with troops that have been drafted in and we're going to come to the draft just in a few moments, but have been drafted in and given four to six weeks training. They are woefully underprepared, military and psychologically, | ||
| for this and that's one of the reasons the counter-offensive is failing. Again, let me just pick out this quote here. | ||
| It raises questions about the quality of the training the Ukrainians receive from the West and about whether tens of billions of dollars worth of weapons, and you were alluding that, Steve, earlier in your introduction, including nearly $44 billion worth from the Biden administration, have been successful in transforming the Ukrainian military into a NATO standard fighting force. | ||
| And of course, it raises questions, but the answers To come back to the point you raised in your question between the drone attacks in Moscow and Russia's attacks on Odessa and the grain silos. | ||
| Put these both things in the weighing scales, they're not Equivalent to one another. | ||
| The drone attacks in Moscow are really, I think, for domestic audience, let alone America, for the domestic Ukrainian propaganda to say, look, we can strike into Moscow. | ||
| These are doing in real terms, these are doing absolutely nothing thus far, thus far. | ||
| No deaths reported from the Russian side. | ||
| Damage, structural damage. | ||
| But it is nothing like what Russia is unleashing against Ukraine. | ||
| They're not equivalent. | ||
| And I certainly hope for President Zelensky's sake he's not thinking about negotiating with President Putin on the idea that these things are somehow symmetrical to one another. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| Ben, we're going to bounce. | ||
| I'm going to hold the other stuff. | ||
| Maybe we'll get you on tomorrow. | ||
| If not, we'll do it Monday. | ||
| I do want to say that you have been right from this from the very beginning, and some of your analysis and that beady-eyed cynicism that you bring to everything has done, I think, as much as anybody. | ||
| You, Pasoapoc, and a handful of others. | ||
| Have countered this massive, massive media operation, and really misinformation operation, to really put before the American people what's actually going on in Ukraine. | ||
| And remember, I think Ben, myself, and Bosova would say, the first we want to do is for the Ukrainian people. | ||
| Professor Mersheim is right. | ||
| They've been fed into the charnel house of false lies, misrepresentations in the liberal progressive media in our country. | ||
| MSNBC, CNN, and all those analysts on there that lied to you from the beginning. | ||
| You're now seeing the reality of this and it's brutal. | ||
| It's quite brutal. | ||
| And that New York Times article that said for all the money that went in and all the supplementals we gave and all the optics of the planes and all the optics of the tanks and the Bradleys and everything had to go in the training. | ||
| When they got in the battlefield, they got eviscerated. | ||
| These kids got mauled. | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| They said, they go, we're not, we can't do this. | ||
| We're not trained to do this. | ||
| We have to go back to the way we know how to fight. | ||
| And the way they know how to fight is just not going to dig out the Russians or the way the Russians have dug in for years in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. | ||
| Ben, what's your social media? | ||
| We're gonna get you back on to finish all this. | ||
| You've done an amazing job. | ||
| And quite frankly, when they talk about that, the West has now woken up to this. | ||
| You're reporting an analysis from Rome has been just at the tip of the spear in this. | ||
| So where do people get you? | ||
| Thanks so much, Steve. | ||
| It's Geta, it's my social media platform of choice. | ||
| Simply tap in there, my surname, Harnwell, that's at the bottom of the screen, that's how you spell it, at Harnwell on Geta. | ||
| And for the newsletters via warroom.org, just register your email on our site. | ||
| Okay, Ben. | ||
| Hopefully, I'll talk to you after the show. | ||
| Maybe we'll get your beady-eyed look on the show tomorrow. | ||
| We've got Dave Bratt and Dave Walsh. | ||
| Maybe we'll try to get Ben to talk more about Ukraine. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| We're going to leave you now with the old Crows cover. | ||
| of this train is bound for glory. | ||
| Just a classic. | ||
| We're going to be back at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. | ||
| The show tomorrow, let me say this, we're going to try to make as good as last Saturday's show. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| We'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. | ||
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