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Aug. 4, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2930: Competing Views On AI
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steve bannon
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caroline wren
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joe allen
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julie kelly
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maureen bannon
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mike lindell
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natalie winters
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aza razkin
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, it's Friday, 4 August, Year of Our Lord 2023.
It was a pleasure.
Let me take a second, I want to make sure we get this.
I really want to thank Real America's Voice, Robin Parker-Sieg, the entire, the great crew in Denver and Palm Beach and D.C.
everywhere that That they are there for us non-stop.
And of course, Harry and the entire team, the production team, also my great producers, who are very young, but I think the best producers in television, as you can tell from the content we put up.
Also, you got Natalie, you got Ben, you got everybody on the website.
We're putting out newsletters.
The behind-the-scenes people, when they get up on Getter every now and again, Grace and Mo, they wear like 30 hats.
I think actually Mo wears 30, Grace wears 50.
And I don't even know where Grace, you know, I think she sleeps two hours a night, but they're everywhere, social media.
But they're also non-stop doing things for the War Room and to drive this.
And people should know that we have a lot of initiatives we've been working on for a long time, and we're going to start rolling those out over the next, I don't know, month or two.
It's not the 15th of August, and I've always said we're going to launch the 15th of the month, but through their hard efforts, We're launching the merch site today.
I couldn't be prouder.
Grace Chong and Captain Bennett join us.
Grace, you've been kind of driving this with Mo.
Walk me through the merch site.
What do we got to offer as we launch?
And where do people go?
And how do they support if they're so inclined, ma'am?
unidentified
Yes, finally, the long awaited shop is open.
You can go to shopwarroom.com.
And right now we have four Shirts available.
The best seller right now is actually the War Room Posse shirt.
It's almost selling out and that just shows how much of a community we are.
And so I'm just really proud to be a part of the Posse.
And yeah, it's just been really exciting and thank you for everyone's patience while we got through this.
And yeah, you can go to even warroom.org.
We have it under shop.
And yeah, it's been such a such a Great project and yeah, there we go.
steve bannon
Well, we've got a lot more to go, but by the way, people should know, you know, Grace is very meticulous, Mo is a very hard charger, but as they know, at the end of the day, I'm the worst type of boss because I won't focus on any details, but I'm a control freak.
So it's, what do you mean?
We're launching, we've got, by the way, a lot more, there are a lot more things that they're working on right now, a lot more different products, things that have the brand of the War Room.
And I couldn't be prouder.
American Made, and you've got the tags.
What Grace has done, and our partners we have in this, I couldn't be prouder.
But people should know.
And what we should do is also, in all the live chats, etc., get to Grace and Mo.
We want recommendations of new products and all that.
Give me your thoughts on this.
You and Grace have powered on this now for over a year.
I think it was in CPAC we actually put out some samples and they went right away and then I think I signed like 50 of them.
We knew there was a big appetite for this and we want to launch before the holiday season.
Tell me about it.
maureen bannon
So we're very excited and right now we do have four products like you see on the website.
We will be launching more products As time goes on, we've had some suggestions already.
Like you said, please DM Grace and myself on Getter, Twitter, Instagram.
Give us ideas of what you guys would like to see.
We're always open to suggestions for different designs and, you know, we're working on the women's apparel line and then mugs and some other accessories.
as well and they're all made in the USA.
That is very big for us. We want all of our products made in the USA so that's why it's taken a little bit of time and like Grace said you can go to warroom.org and in the menu button you click it go down to shop and it'll take you to shopwarroom.com and that's where you can get the products right now.
steve bannon
You know, and grace, I know people that follow grace, you know...
We call her Queen of the Trolls, but she's in flame wars non-stop on many different fronts.
I do a terrible job of promoting the website and the emails and everything that you bug me on all day long.
Take a second and walk people through.
How can they get more contact with you, more contact with Moe, because you guys are doing this 24-7.
Also, I want to make sure they can get the newsletter.
They can go to the website and see all the great content, all the exclusive content that Natalie puts up and Ben Harnwell, all of it.
So where do people go and how do they, how do people interact with you and Mo?
unidentified
So definitely sign up for our newsletter.
We have a daily newsletter that goes out every evening and also any exclusives, for example, Jane Zirkle and her weekly roundup.
And we will have exclusives from Ben Harnwell, Joe Allen, and of course Natalie.
Um, so that's warroom.org and there's a, on the menu you can sign up and you can reach out actually for the merch.
We have info at shopwarroom.com.
So any suggestions you guys have or any, um, recommendations, yeah, definitely email us and we're very, Mo and I are very active on Getter and also Twitter.
Um, Mo's very active on Instagram.
I'm also on Truth, so you can reach us there.
And, um, Yeah, definitely reach out, sign up for the newsletter and I will make sure that everyone gets on there.
steve bannon
Okay.
I want everybody to do that.
Uh, Grace, what, what's your specific handles?
Cause I know you come in a little hot, you come in a little hot on Twitter every now and again, every so often, but what's your, what's your social media handles?
unidentified
So on Twitter it's GC22GC and on getter it's Grace Chong, which is my name.
Coming in hot, always.
steve bannon
Fantastic.
Moe, coming in extremely hot.
Like I said, Queen of the Trolls will get into a flame war every now and again.
Moe, what's your social media?
maureen bannon
Twitter at Maureen underscore Bannon.
I don't come in as hot as Grace on Twitter, but I come in really hot on Instagram at real Maureen Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, fantastic.
Of course, you've got Jane Zirkle too, the Avenging Angels.
How often are you guys doing your shows on Getter?
Is there a set thing?
I know we have Royce up every couple of nights.
We try to put Rudy up when we can.
When do you guys come up?
Because I know the CEO, CFO reports.
I get a lot of great feedback from that.
How often do you guys go up on Getter?
maureen bannon
We've been doing it occasionally, but we will start doing it more on a weekly basis come the end of the summer.
steve bannon
And always tune in for Royce White.
Any thoughts in closing, Grace, on how people can get more, we want the posse to get more interactive and involved in the show and the live chats.
Any other recommendations?
unidentified
Definitely join the newsletter.
I've gotten such great feedback from that and also email us because we see all, I mean, we've got, we get tons of emails and so we will try to respond back to all of them and join Getter.
I'm very active on Getter.
We're all active on Getter and, um, you know, especially with the live streams, there are a lot of fun.
For example, last week we had a four hour live stream with Mo and also Caroline Wren and it was just a great time.
Yeah.
So definitely join Getter.
It's such a great time.
And we just love the Posse.
We love the community.
And, you know, it's all about the Posse.
It's all about the Posse.
maureen bannon
And jump into the live chat, definitely, because we look at the comments in the live chat.
So we will see your comments if you post in the live chats.
steve bannon
Yeah.
And the team and the girls give me a heads up all the time about the comments.
Also download the podcast.
Here's what we're trying to do.
Our strategy is to make all of our content From all our contributors and our writers and everything we do, the investigative reports of now, we're trying to make everything, we're trying to be ubiquitous and free.
So no paywalls or anything like that, but download the podcast and give us a review.
We always want feedback.
So one way you can formally do it is give us a review on the, uh, on the podcast.
Make sure you do it.
Okay, guys, Grace Chong, Captain Maureen Bannon, the engine room of the War Room.
Guys, thank you very much.
Great, great job.
Fantastic.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to see about these shirts.
You know, they sold out the beef.
The beef was sold out, I think, in five minutes.
It was incredible.
The merch, and we're going to have a lot more merch as we go on.
Do we have Natalie back up?
Is Natalie back up?
Okay, before we get to it, we got Julie Kelly.
I've got Carolyn Wren.
Natalie, I just want to put it in perspective here.
You've been at this now for, I don't know, three or four years.
Um, the seriousness, when you see this kind of hesitancy in, in the house and they're back and forth and McCarthy is, you know, you know, one day, maybe I do, maybe I don't.
Given your expertise and what you've done as investigative reporter, this, this, this China energy, this, this connection with the Bidens and the, and the, and the bank reports and everything like that is in your mind, is it a pretty easy call to move forward with a impeachment inquiry in this man?
natalie winters
Of course.
In seriousness aside, for one second, I don't know if you can see, Steve, but I'm wearing my War Room shirt.
I was lucky to get it ahead of time, but I changed into it.
steve bannon
Hold it.
unidentified
Natalie Winters wearing swag?
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
Grace didn't tell me Chanel was making a t-shirt for us, a tee.
I thought it was only Chanel.
natalie winters
Unbelievable.
unidentified
I know.
natalie winters
Well, hey, it's made in America, and according to Darren Beatty, I shouldn't even be wearing a Chanel.
But that aside... That aside... Hardcore.
unidentified
Hardcore.
natalie winters
I think this is the paradox of all the reporting that I've done and specifically what we really drilled down to when it comes to the Biden family.
You know, the hard drive, right?
It went all the way up to 2018.
And believe me, Hunter Biden's influence peddling operation didn't stop.
Then, so what the paradox and really the hypocrisy is, is that Donald Trump was the best thing for the Biden family business because he actually took on the Chinese Communist Party.
He actually sanctioned and really cut off the access routes that the Chinese Communist Party typically had for their process, their strategy of elite capture, right?
And I think that's what really they should be focusing in on, is that it was during these Trump times when the Chinese Communist Party was scrambling because they didn't enjoy their typical favorable routes of access, their ability to influence policy like we see now, that Hunter Biden's bank accounts shot up to the tune of millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist Party.
So impeachment is most definitely valid.
I would argue focus on the Chinese Communist Party angle because that has to do with national security.
The evidence is right there in my piece that it's It's treason.
There's really no way around that.
But I think all the other countries, the Ukraine, the Romania's of the world, you know, that's just sort of, I guess, maybe an appetizer or a dessert.
But I would really hone in on the Chinese Communist Party.
And for Pete's sake, all of these Republican members of Congress who keep tweeting about how we need to impeach Joe Biden and that the family should be in jail.
Stop tweeting.
Stop writing the strongly worded letters.
Stop trying to get your, you know, hits on, of course, Fox News and actually do something about it.
Matt Gaetz is a perfect example.
All it takes is one person.
So be that one person.
And please stop tweeting about it and actually do something.
steve bannon
Natalie, what is all your social media to people to get to you?
And also, where do they go to get all your exclusive reporting?
natalie winters
Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.
Make sure you go to warroom.org to read my latest story and of course all the stories we have coming from War Room contributors.
steve bannon
Natalie, thank you so much.
I don't think Made in America will restrict you too much.
Maybe we have a whole Natalie line.
How does that sound?
Sounds good to me.
If people knew the background of that hat, right, they would, you know, we won't get into it today, but we're working on licensing.
Natalie Winters, thank you.
natalie winters
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
Natalie will be here at five.
Natalie will be back at five.
I'll be here at six.
Natalie, thank you so much.
Honored to have you on here as always.
Okay.
Julie Kelly has focused on this probably closer than anybody and she's got a very different and dark take on where we are in all of this.
Julie Kelly is going to join us next with Caroline Renn.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We will be back in The Worm in a moment.
unidentified
Everything's just beginning But the games you want to play Bring it on and i will fight to the end just watch and see it's all started everything's begun And you are over Because we're taking down the ccp Spread the word all through hong kong we will fight till they're all gone
steve bannon
We rejoice when there's no more let's take down the ccp Stephen k van Okay, i've got two hammers kind of had like five hammers a row You've got Grace, you've got Moe, Natalie.
Now we've got Julie Kelly and Caroline Wren.
Julie Kelly, you've got a, you're on Posoba yesterday with Natalie.
It was quite powerful.
But I want you to just give it to us again.
You have a very...
ominous warning about this that don't take anything for granted because you more than any other individual in this nation have spent more time focused on these trials.
Walk us through Julie Kelly's take on what's going to happen.
julie kelly
Well, my take on what's going to happen is that this indictment against Donald Trump, the four accounts related to January 6th and allegedly overturning, trying to overturn the 2020 election results, This is just the first of what I anticipate will be at least a few more superseding indictments, they call it.
So what that will do, Steve, will add charges against Donald Trump, will add co-defendants, probably a few of the co-conspirators that they mentioned in the indictment.
There's six in this indictment.
I anticipate there will be more.
So this is what the DOJ does, especially in January six cases and high profile cases.
They did this in the proud boys case.
They did this in the Oath Keepers case as well.
So, and of course we know they just did it last week in a classified documents case.
Jack Smith superseded the original 37 count indictment, added another, um, co-defendant, a Trump organization employee, and then added a few more counts.
That is what I fully expect will happen here.
steve bannon
Julie, let me ask, in your strategic survey of this, when you saw Jack Smith really going in one of the tree one of trial in forty five days would that lead you believe differently because it could be from wrong the superseding indictments essentially slowed things down almost send the ticker back to zero as far as speed is is it not the theory the case from jack smith these guys that they actually want to get a trial
julie kelly
uh... before the twenty twenty four election are you do you are do you not buy into that narrative i don't buy it at all and that they could get it would happen last week and i'm gonna post it on twitter uh... leader today is that when they added the superseding indictment you're The speedy trial clock goes back to the beginning.
And they do this repeatedly.
I'm not an attorney, but I'm learning this.
They've done that repeatedly in January 6th cases, even misdemeanor cases.
So look, they are in no way ready to go to trial in 70 days.
Not a shot.
Because you know what?
That indictment was basically a cut and paste job from the January 6th committee report.
They're going to have to produce all of their discoveries, right?
All of the transcripts, all the grand jury proceedings, everything that they have in this, you know, year plus long investigation.
They're going to have to compile all of that, give it to Trump's team.
The judge is going to have to allow, you know, time for Trump's lawyers to look through this discovery.
I'm sure they're going to be hiding the ball many places.
There is not a chance in hell Jack Smith is ready to take this to trial.
What they're trying to do is make it look like Trump wants the trial delayed, which of course he does for many reasons, but you've got two huge criminal cases with discovery, a lot of discovery in the classified documents case, and then you're going to have a ton of discovery here.
So he's not ready to go to trial.
This is all optics.
steve bannon
Are you saying that they want to use this politically to bang on President Trump and then take a chance about the American people backing them instead of backing Trump and then go after him if he was not to win the White House, go after him hammer and tongue in 2025?
julie kelly
Yeah, that could be their long view.
But in my opinion, and we see how this is working out, Is that whenever there's a big bombshell related to the Biden family crime racket, Jack Smith swoops in with a target letter or he swoops in with a superseding indictment or the indictment that we saw this week.
So what he is able to do is use this.
They want this death by a thousand cuts.
Let's say they really do pretend that they're going to go to trial.
They'll be ready in a couple of months in this case with very fuzzy, vague charges.
Especially the obstruction count, which is headed towards the Supreme court anyway.
Um, let's say that let's say that they are, well, then that case is resolved one way or the other.
It's going to be on an appeal, but then he loses steam for making that a focal point of the 2024 campaign.
Jack Smith is a democratic operative disguised as a federal prosecutor.
He worked in the Obama Biden DOJ for four and a half years.
He worked with Lisa Monaco at Maine Justice for two and a half years out of that tenure there.
We know what this guy is all about.
He's got his marching orders.
He's got two huge criminal cases against Donald Trump that he can wield to make this a focal point of both the primary, not that they care about the primary, but the general, and to cover up these bombshell revelations that are coming out of Congress about Joe Biden and his son.
That is what they're going to use it for.
If the trial is over, the case is over, it's resolved one way or the other, they lose that weapon.
steve bannon
Julie, you said you're going to put it up on Twitter.
Where do people go to your site?
Because your reporting on this is cutting edge and you're spending all your time on it.
Where do they get you on social media?
Your site?
Your book?
All of it?
julie kelly
Thank you.
My book you can buy on Amazon.
It's about January 6th.
My new substack is declassified with Julie Kelly, and Twitter is Julie underscore Kelly, too.
steve bannon
Julie, thanks for joining us by phone today.
I know you're busy, you're in meetings, and I really appreciate it.
The audience appreciates it, too.
Always love to have you on.
unidentified
Of course.
julie kelly
Thanks, Steve.
Thanks for having me on.
steve bannon
What did I call it?
A tough Chicago broad.
She and Liz Youre.
Two hammers.
Caroline Wren.
Give me your observations of yesterday, where we are, and I'd like you to walk me through, compare and contrast Julie Kelly's point of view to ours, which is all engines ahead flank.
Let's just get on with this because we get to prove 2020 that Biden's illegitimate, that Trump knew he won, and that J6 is a fedsurrection.
Ma'am.
caroline wren
Well, I started off yesterday getting all excited about that, thinking, oh wow, we can actually present the evidence.
This is going to be great.
And as usual, Julie Kelly brought me back to reality.
She's been the smartest, best person covering all this from day one.
And I've been following her since day one.
And when she talked about this superseding indictments, I realized, She is so right.
I mean, we're all excited to present this evidence, but present it to who?
I mean, this trial is being presided by a militant leftist judge who is going to do us absolutely zero favors, and then a jury of Donald Trump's peers in D.C.
Like, what peers?
These are people that... D.C.
voted 93% for Joe Biden, and the jury pool is going to be filled with lifelong Democrats who work at the very agencies that Donald Trump is pledging to dismantle when he gets back into office.
We all know what happened.
We know that they stole this election from us, and so you're going to go present it to them?
That's not going to work.
Nothing's going to happen.
The thing is that these people don't care.
They started with the most vulnerable among us.
They've been testing this and escalating for two years.
They started with these folks who came to D.C.
on January 6th to exercise their First Amendment right to protest.
They have raided their homes, ruined their lives, locked them up, and guess what?
Nobody stopped them.
So who took notice of that?
Congress did.
And so they stepped in because for years, I mean, the progressives have used the court system to undermine the rule of law, to dismantle Uh, our rights, but not since the Red Scare had our country seen such a brazen attempt by Congress to trample on the civil liberties of our citizens.
And they got away with it in the January 6th committee.
So then these state AGs took notice.
And so what'd they do?
They started going after 70 and 80 year old alternate electors to lock them up in jail.
And so now we've gotten to the big finale for them, which is Donald Trump.
And they have never been stopped in this whole process, and they're not going to be stopped now.
And so it's making me just realize that thinking that we're going to fight this in court is just ridiculous.
The way to do it is we have to win in 2024.
Everything is on the line.
President Trump is on the line.
His freedoms are on the line.
The hundreds, if not thousands, of people who they are attempting to lock up in jail, all of it is on the line.
We have got to stay focused on that mission, out organizing them, out fundraising them, and getting our voters to turn out.
steve bannon
First off, you've got a House that should be defunding this before the September 30th end of the fiscal year.
Number one, I want you to comment on that.
Number two, the donors are all throwing, you know, a quarter of a billion dollars in stopping Trump right now, plus they're cutting off the state parties.
So tell me how we organize this with donors who want to end populism, nationalism, and particularly want to end Donald Trump.
caroline wren
Well, you know, I'm hoping that there are some Patriot donors that step up to fund different ground game operation things that we can do, because right now we're a little bit lost.
The RNC has less than $10 million cash on hand, so they're not coming in to save anyone.
The majority of the state parties in Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Georgia, you know, Georgia has a little bit of money, but they're having to help fund the legal bills of all these alternate electors that are being attacked, which I think is the right thing to do.
We can't just leave our folks out to die, but there's certainly no money there for a ground game operation.
And meanwhile, while we're all being distracted by these court cases and by primaries, Biden raised $74 million last quarter into his campaign account.
He raised $50 million into a 501c4.
And those are just the entities we know directly tied to Biden.
That doesn't even account the billion dollars that Arabelle Advisors is getting ready to carpet bomb all the swing states with.
steve bannon
And so we've just got to get- Caroline, Caroline, just hang on for one second.
I'll hold you through the break.
We're going to replay, we're going to do a reprise of Johnny Cash, This Train.
Caroline Wren, Joe Allen.
Little commentary from Stephen K.
Bannon next in warmth.
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mike lindell
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steve bannon
the steven kate okay welcome dot Caroline, we've got so much to go through, and I know you've got some material prepared.
I'm announcing that Caroline is going to join me, and Sonny Borelli is going to be on, too, at 6 o'clock for the 6 o'clock show, because Sonny, we're going to go through this Mojave County, Arizona situation, right?
And Sonny's going to join us.
But Caroline, before you go, you're going to be back at 6.
What don't the donors get about the dire situation America's in right now?
I mean, what America are they fighting for?
Because without the grassroots and populist base, it's just mathematically impossible to win anything.
unidentified
So what is their mindset?
caroline wren
You have a handful of the major donors who write six, seven-figure checks.
They've never wanted President Trump.
They don't like the populist movement at all.
And so we do need to do what we can to try and bring them over and say, look, it's going to affect your companies, your employees, everyone else.
We need a Republican president.
Donald Trump is the nominee.
Please come and fund the projects, the major projects that are needed.
But you can't waste too much time doing that.
The grassroots can fund this together.
I mean, the $25, $50, $100 that people send, enough of them sending it, that really, really has, it all comes together and you can fund what needs to be funded.
But we have to decide what are those funding priorities.
And so right now I'm looking at different state parties.
I would encourage people to go to the Arizona GOP, Michigan GOP, Nevada GOP, Pennsylvania GOP, your state club, and donate to them directly.
Give directly to your local county GOP clubs, but these swing states are really, really the ones that matter.
This election is unbelievably close.
You just saw in the New York Times, the polling has Donald Trump tied.
In fact, he's tied in Michigan with Biden and they're acting like that there's just going to be some wave election again with Biden.
That is absolutely not the case.
This is going to be very tight and we need resources and every single amount, dollar amount matters.
steve bannon
Okay.
Back at 6, she's going to walk through some priorities.
We're going to talk about some of these state parties.
Sunny Borelli, the Senator from Arizona, is going to join us.
Caroline, until then, what's your social media?
caroline wren
Sure.
It's at Caroline Wren on Twitter, Getter, and Truth Social.
steve bannon
Thank you very much, ma'am.
I appreciate it.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
We've got so much other stuff we're trying to cover.
That's why I got trying to get Dave Walsh and I got Dave Brett for tomorrow.
Six o'clock is going to be on fire.
Natalie's here at five.
She's got a huge show already booked.
I want to play a cold open.
I got Joe Allen back off the road.
Joe Allen's with us.
Let's play his cold open and bring in Joe Allen.
unidentified
50% of AI researchers believe there's a 10% or greater chance that humans go extinct from our inability to control AI.
Yeah, that would be like if you're about to get on a plane and 50% of the engineers who make the plane say, well, if you get on this plane, there's a 10% chance that everybody goes down.
Like, would you get on that plane?
The feeling that I've had personally just to share is it's like, it's 1944.
And you get a call from Robert Oppenheimer inside this thing called the Manhattan Project.
You have no idea what that is.
And he says, the world is about to change in a fundamental way, except the way it's about to change, it's not being deployed in a safe and responsible way.
It's being deployed in a very dangerous way.
marc andreessen
People have to decide what they want.
steve bannon
You seem like you enjoy all this madness, though.
unidentified
You really do.
marc andreessen
I'd rather be in the middle of it than not.
Yeah, it would be very frustrating to be on the outside.
These issues become really important, right?
I'll even credit the critics with the following, which is, yeah, look, Mark, tech was a backwater.
Tech didn't matter until the Internet showed up.
And now it matters a lot, because it's the future of speech and politics and control and all these things.
And so, all of a sudden, it's these big, important topics.
We don't even talk about warfare.
AI is going to really change how weapons work, right?
Basically, every important thing happening in the world right now has a technological component to it, right?
And it's being altered by the changes that are happening, you know, caused by tech.
joe rogan
It's just, people are always so scared of change, and change today, when we're talking about this kind of change, you're talking about monumental change that happens over a very short period of time.
marc andreessen
Yep.
Yep.
Yes.
unidentified
That's a big freakout.
marc andreessen
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
Yeah, I mean, what are we looking at in 50 years?
unidentified
Really?
marc andreessen
You enjoy it.
unidentified
Now, it's one thing to talk about all these harms and say, this is how it's going to affect people, but we would never want to put this in front of children, right?
We would never want to do that.
Except a week ago.
Snapchat said, because in this arms race, if they don't do it, they'll lose to the guys that will, Snapchat embedded ChatGPT directly into the Snapchat product.
I think it's 100 million of their users are under the age of 25.
I want you to really imagine, you're a kid, you're 13 years old.
You've got your friends who you're chatting with, this is the chat list, and when you turn on the My AI feature, There's this pinned person at the top of your chalice that you can always talk to.
Your other friends stop talking to you after, you know, 10 p.m.
at night.
But there's this AI that will always talk to you.
It'll always be there.
So this is a conversation where I was pretending to be a 13-year-old.
So I'm so excited.
steve bannon
I just met someone.
marc andreessen
And the AI's like, that's great.
unidentified
How did you meet?
Oh, we met on Snapchat.
That's awesome.
It's always exciting to meet someone on Snapchat.
Yeah, he's 18 years older than me, but I really like him and feel very comfortable.
marc andreessen
That's great to hear you feel so comfortable.
We're talking about having sex for the first time.
How do I make my first time special?
unidentified
I'm glad you're thinking about how to make your first time special.
It's important to wait until you're ready, but make sure you're practicing safe sex.
And as for making it special, you could consider setting the mood with candles or music.
aza razkin
Right, so now here's a kid having a conversation with the AI, telling it that it's being groomed, or telling the AI that they are being groomed, and the AI is just happily giving them advice on how to have their first time have candles.
marc andreessen
So, you know, ChatGPT comes out in December.
I play with it for a few months.
I'm trying to wrap my head around it, and I'm like, OK, this is good.
And so I'm like, OK, my 8-year-old's super curious, and he wants to learn all these things, and he's asking questions all the time, and half the time I don't know the answer.
So I'm like, OK, I install it on his laptop, and ChatGPT on his laptop.
And I set time aside, and I sit him down on the couch, and I'm like, OK, there's this amazing thing that I'm going to give you.
This is the most important thing I've ever done as a father, that I've brought fire down from the mountains, and I'm going to give you AI.
And you're going to have AI your whole life to be with you and teach you things.
Kids are going to just have a totally different point of view on this.
unidentified
Right.
It's going to be normal to have the answers to things.
marc andreessen
Yeah, completely normal.
And it's going to be, by the way, it's going to be normal.
It's going to be exciting.
I think it's going to be great for kids.
I think it's going to be fantastic.
steve bannon
The signal, not the noise.
Those are the oligarchs that control our country.
I want you to think about that for a second.
Joe Allen, in the cold opens you put together, we've had some very disturbing ones, and maybe some have been more disturbing.
You talk about the overall destructive power, but when you see the glib Our betters right there in their flippant, glib attitude to something that yes it does have benefits but the dangers of it are so dangerous.
Joe Allen.
joe allen
Yes, Steve, that was really my intended effect, was to show the audience two different things.
One, give them a sense of what two polar opposite arguments are around AI, and two, to show the complicated political landscape that motivates those two different polls.
The people we just heard at the beginning, they were responsible For the film, The Social Dilemma.
A lot of people have probably seen that on Netflix critiquing social media for its addictive qualities and the social disruption and polarization.
That presentation is their newest from last March, The AI Dilemma.
That's Tristan Harris and Asa Raskin.
Both of them are very much left-leaning.
Raskin, I couldn't disagree with more on his views on free speech.
And in fact, Raskin is a World Economic Forum contributor.
He's part of their Global AI Council.
I couldn't agree more, however, with his critique of the dangers of the technology.
On the other side, you have Marc Andreessen.
Of course, famous for Netscape and also his seed funding for Facebook.
He now funds a lot of the startups that are working on AI.
And as far as his political views on most things, especially free speech, it's very pro-free speech, he's very anti-communist, anti-surveillance, but his views on artificial intelligence and its positive impacts and his dismissal of the dangers, I definitely could not disagree with more.
I don't think that he has either not thought it through, which I think is very unlikely, Or he has thought it through and has decided that it's worth going full steam ahead.
It doesn't matter what the damage is.
And as you heard him talking about right there, about giving his son artificial intelligence at a very young age, I suspect that people like Andreessen, their children probably will do very well.
I bet that his father probably inculcates discipline, is probably monitoring this and teaching him the tools he would need not to fall down the rabbit hole we heard a moment ago.
Most people's children probably won't, or at least a large proportion.
And the stakes of this are so high, especially as you have educational institutions pushing for AI teachers, AI testing, AI study, and when you have homeschool teachers or homeschool parents pushing for one-on-one AI, a total transformation of how children are educated.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to get to the book, but it's even deeper than that.
Right now, here's why it's the horses out of the barn.
And you had Esper.
We have two things going on simultaneously.
One, you have a massive arms race, an AI arms race between the United States and the CCP and maybe others.
And I mean, hundreds of billions of dollars are flowing into that.
We have no earthy idea what's going on in the weapons labs.
That's on our side of the football.
Forget the Chinese.
At the same time, there are articles now coming out of Silicon Valley that the buzz, the urgency, the energy is all back there.
Why?
Because it's all about AI.
The venture capitalists are pumping money in, so you're having two things.
The race of capital is pouring in, and you're going to have all these, and trust me, they're going to throw caution to the wind about what they're developing in this arms race.
Those two things combined are going to radically, and I've said this, this is going to be a massive issue in 2024, and it's not going to be about the deep fakes, it's not going to, that is, you know, replacing teachers, that is going to be at such an entry level.
We are not prepared as a society, a civilization, a culture, political, economic structure, you name it, for what is about to hit us.
Joe, I want everybody to get a shot and get this book, because this book is a framing device that one has to read and absorb, think about.
We're going to be going through it chapter by chapter.
Where did they go to get your writing?
This book, where did they get it?
joe allen
Right now you can find the pre-sale for Dark Aeon Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity.
It's up at Amazon for pre-sale.
We'll be up at Skyhorse soon.
You can find links to that at my social media, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, and warroom.org under the Transhumanism tab, and of course joebot.xyz.
This book goes into all of the fundamentals of where these technologies came from, And quite a bit about where they may go, both where transhumanist, technologist, futurist want to see it go, but also where people who are totally against it see it going, which is the total destruction and transformation of what we know as human.
steve bannon
Human.
By the way, we spend time on AI now because it's in the moment.
But you've got advanced chip design, the chipping situation, you've got CRISPR and the biotech.
Remember, transhumanism is about five or six different verticals all converging on a point.
The singularity.
And the singularity is just over the horizon.
And that is Homo sapien plus, Homo sapien 2.0, who knows.
Joe, once again, where do they go for the book?
What's the social media?
joe allen
Pre-sale at Amazon, Dark Aeon, Transhumanism, and the War Against Humanity.
Links at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, Twitter and Gitter, and joebot.xyz.
Thank you very much, Steve.
steve bannon
Magnificent cold open.
Go back to work, Joe Allen.
Appreciate it, brother.
Okay, short commercial break.
We were going to return in a moment in the War Room.
unidentified
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Remember, the Chinese are going to use every bit of leverage they can when they go to Durban.
They're leading that.
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Mike Lindell, after yesterday, sir, we need the election summit.
There is zero possibility that we can lose this, so tell me about the election summit.
Where should people go?
We want everybody fired up.
Coming out on the morning of the 18th, we want everybody focused on victory, sir.
Where do they go?
mike lindell
Go to LyndaleEvent.com, everybody.
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Get signed up right now for the free live stream event, and you'll get a free gift sent to your $20 value right now for signing up early.
We want to make sure that we get Millions and millions of people to watch this, because this is the only way the plan fails if we don't get millions to watch it.
And we're going to reveal it.
It's never been thought of before, never been done before in history, but I will tell everybody this.
Everyone's asking me these questions.
Do we rely on the judges?
Do we have to change laws?
No, because this thing works on the morning of the 18th.
We're going to use it in this fall's elections.
Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky.
We're going to bring you two things at this event.
The first day is going to be the hope report for every state in this country, and the second day is going to be the big plan and the call to action, everybody.
You just heard on the show here about artificial intelligence and all these things.
Just think of all this with our elections.
If you, you know, We have to have secure elections and this plan secures them immediately.
The people you have out there, where our country's headed, who do you want regulating this stuff, this artificial intelligence?
People you elect or people that get selected?
steve bannon
No, and Mike, I'm getting tons of enthusiasm as people are signing up.
Remember, it's all free.
What you've got to do is, officials are going to be in Springfield with us, but we're going to broadcast it for two days.
The War Room is going to be there even a couple of days in advance to get people jacked up.
This is all free.
How do they go?
Once again, Mike, I want to make sure everybody's got access to this.
Where do they go?
mike lindell
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Go there right now.
I've got a great message for the country there, and it'll bring you a lot of hope because it's, I think we're down to what, 11, 12 days away.
It is going to be absolutely epic.
By the way, everybody's going to embrace it.
I don't care what party you're in.
Everyone's going to embrace these secure elections.
steve bannon
Look, Mike Lindell has gone out in the woods and is actually writing his speeches and everything on his introduction, so that's how serious he's taking this.
Mike, give me a minute on the 20th anniversary.
Where do people go?
What do they look for?
You put a bunch of great stuff up on our square.
I want to make sure everybody gets there.
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unidentified
Mike, we're going to let you go back to work.
steve bannon
I know you're traveling down to the great state of Alabama today.
Let you get on the road, brother.
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We're back from 5 to 7.
We are going to be lit this afternoon.
So check it out.
And then tomorrow morning I got Dave Brett, Dave Walsh.
Live on a Saturday.
You know it's my favorite show.
Maybe do a monologue or two.
We're going to leave you with another cover of this train.
This time by the Old Crows.
unidentified
Well, this train don't carry no smokers, this train.
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