April 19, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | |
| It's 19 April, the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| You're in the War Room. We've got a lot to go through. | ||
| We've got the great Bill Gertz and Rudy going to join us, and Bill's here to talk about The early stages of the Third World War. | ||
| And it ain't Bill Gertz and Steve Bannon and Peter Novara telling you this. | ||
| These are now major three- and four-star military personnel giving testimony and saying, hey, it's upon us. | ||
| We got a massive conference this week in the greater Los Angeles area. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody that can possibly attend. | ||
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It's World War III, the early years. | |
| Karen Siegman. She's, I think, going to be on with Natalie tonight to talk about that more. | ||
| But make sure we're going to have as much online as possible. | ||
| We're going to have videos on. It's got just an incredible crew of speakers, many of whom you see on the worm all the time. | ||
| But this is absolutely nothing could be more important right now to get your hands around this, on the geopolitics, all of it. | ||
| Peter, I just want to hold you for a minute. | ||
| So here's the thing. When you talk about de-dollarization, and we've been talking about this, I'm still a big believer in one of the things. | ||
| When you're a primary reserve currency, you can use the SWIFT system and you can use the dollar as a weapon, but you have to be very selective, very selective. | ||
| And when you use it, you've got to go all in. | ||
| I was a huge proponent. | ||
| Of massive sanctions against the Chinese Communist Party, seizing their assets, sanctioning them like they sanctioned you and me, but also using the dollar against them in Hong Kong, after Hong Kong. | ||
| To me, that was the Czechoslovakia of this whole era, the Austria of this whole era, like the 1930s. | ||
| Right now, we didn't do that. | ||
| We did it against Russia. | ||
| Biden and all the people on MSNBC said, oh, this is terrific. | ||
| You're going to take down the central bank of Russia. | ||
| You're going to destroy their currency. That didn't happen. | ||
| And you nailed it. We have given up the full-spectrum energy dominance. | ||
| Let me repeat that. Full-spectrum energy dominance. | ||
| That is the basis of Trump's economic plan. | ||
| Full-spectrum energy dominance. | ||
| And our enemies knew that. | ||
| Russia knew that. The CCP is going around. | ||
| These are massive long-term output deals with Persia, with the House Assad, with Iraq. | ||
| And those numbers, those long-term deals are in yuan and they're at below market. | ||
| They're below market deals. | ||
| They're below market deals. | ||
| We're going to end up paying the market price. | ||
| They're going to have... So strategically, it's working out very well for our enemies. | ||
| Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| Steve, the two most important words you said was all in. | ||
| If you're going to use the dollar as a weapon with sanctions, You have to go all in and make it crushing. | ||
| What's happened with Russia, and Putin foresaw this, is that Europe needs its oil and gas. | ||
| India wants it for cheap. | ||
| Japan wants it. Everybody cheats. | ||
| Hey, the US is still buying Russian oil. | ||
| So it was a self-defeating thing. | ||
| The word, Steve, I hope you'll embrace this, Biden is Strategic energy subservience, that's where we're at now. | ||
| Now, the Hong Kong thing, see, this is something that I wrote about in the Taking Back Trump's America book. | ||
| In the Situation Room, as Hong Kong was falling, I had an executive order I'd written up with the National Security Council that was going to just crush what's called the Hong Kong Clearing Houses. | ||
| That's the money laundry that takes the Western capital from the Black Rocks and Steve Schwarzman in this world, puts it in Hong Kong, funnels it through, and then sends it over to the mainland to be invested in building aircraft carriers in China, basically, to destroy American military. | ||
| I mean, how stupid is that? | ||
| And Mnuchin, Larry Kudlow, Bill Barr, and yeah, Mike Pompeo, All would not come on board With doing that, it was a bridge too far. | ||
| And I'm going, wait a minute. We just lost Hong Kong. | ||
| That is a central moment of the 21st century. | ||
| That's Czechoslovakia. That's Czechoslovakia. | ||
| That was cowardice. Your remedy would have stopped the dollars to go on them. | ||
| I'll get you back on. | ||
| We're going to try to co-host this on Friday. | ||
| I'm going to try to get Navarro. We're going to work this out. | ||
| But Peter, real quickly before we go. | ||
| I want to get back to the debt ceiling. | ||
| I want everybody to get to your macro course. | ||
| It's dirt cheap. It's basically a giveaway. | ||
| I think it's $12. I want everybody to take it. | ||
| It's a Harvard-type course taught by you to have your PhD from Harvard. | ||
| But here's the important thing. Over the next couple of weeks, as the economy softens, The pitch of the Biden regime is going to be exact opposite where we're doing. | ||
| They're going to go to another Keynesian saying, hey, the economy's softening. | ||
| You see, J.B. Hunt trucks are having to face. | ||
| We need a stimulus. | ||
| We need another stimulus. | ||
| We need to spend more money. | ||
| Give me a minute. Walk our audience to how they're going to frame the argument, brother. | ||
| So the central problem Biden-Obama never understood and Biden understands today is you can't solve stagflation with Keynesian tools. | ||
| You can use Federal Reserve policy or Keynesian tools to only fix one problem at a time. | ||
| So yeah, Biden's going to come along, his economy's collapsing, and he's going to want to stimulate, but that's just going to spike inflation. | ||
| And the real solution to all of this is structural change beginning With the return to strategic energy dominance. | ||
| What I told you in the last hour about how Saudi and Russia are going to keep the oil price at $80 to $100 or more, pure stagflation, pure drag on the GDP. We've got to start there by reversing our policy. | ||
| And then Kevin McCarthy and the Republicans got to hold the line in terms of rolling back those expenses. | ||
| And we've got to just stick with that. | ||
| We've got to be hard. | ||
| And here's why. If you put yourself in the eyes of your enemies, what the Soyuzanus guys are saying, hey, look, we have these resources, but they're draining out. | ||
| You're giving us these dollars that you're devaluating because you're spending, you're profligate spending. | ||
| We have to charge higher. | ||
| You're ripping us off. | ||
| So their logic has a certain internal consistency to it. | ||
| Yeah, it's a pure wealth transfer. | ||
| Every time they're able to raise that money, it's money out of our pockets in this country over to bad guys that want to kill us. | ||
| I mean, how stupid are we? | ||
| The core of it all gets back to our spending. | ||
| The spending is a tax on people. | ||
| The spending is not a benefit to people. | ||
| Peter Navarro, how do we get to your Substack, the columns, all the content, the books, all of it? | ||
| PeterNavarro.Substack.com. | ||
| PeterNavarro.Substack.com. | ||
| You can go to the War Room website to get your discount on the Strategic Macro Course. | ||
| And please, try subscribing to the Washington Times. | ||
| It's a great paper. The op-ed columns there are top-line. | ||
| Sir, let me just say the lighting looks great, but I like the old background. | ||
| Dude, that's awesome. | ||
| You look great. That's the old logo. | ||
| I may have to swap that out. | ||
| You take the new one. I want to see. | ||
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There's no coincidence. I love it when the papers pop up. | |
| Anyway, good to see you, Steve. | ||
| We'll see you on Friday, brother. A little gonzo. | ||
| Thank you, sir. Washington Times and Newsweek under Josh Hammer and the Washington Times are the two best op-ed sections, bar none, I think, in the world. | ||
| So make sure you go there every day. | ||
| Washington Times and Newsweek. | ||
| A lot of our contributors put stuff up on both. | ||
| It's just fantastic. Plus, you get a wide breadth of other opinions. | ||
| Okay. Is Elon Musk getting old-time religion from the war room? | ||
| Let's look at some of the interview last night with Tucker and then Joe Allen, our transhumanist editor, is going to join us. | ||
| Let's hit it. So when AI becomes stronger than we are, what do you do exactly? | ||
| And what does it mean for democracy? | ||
| We asked Elon Musk. | ||
| People say we should just blow up the server farms because once this gets rolling, there's no way to slow it down. | ||
| The really heavy-duty intelligence is not going to be distributed all over the place. | ||
| It'll be in a limited number of server centers. | ||
| If you say like very sort of deep AI, heavy-duty AI. It's not going to be in your laptop or your phone. | ||
| It's going to be in, you know, a situation where there's like a hundred thousand really powerful computers working together in a server center. | ||
| So it's not like subtle and there are a limited number of places where that can happen. | ||
| In fact, you can just look at the heat signature from space, and it'll be very obvious. | ||
| I'm not suggesting we go and blow up to service centers right now, but it may be wise to have some sort of contingency plan where the government's got an ability to shut down power to these service centers. | ||
| You don't have to blow it up, you can just cut the power. | ||
| Have you talked to, since you know Larry Page, and obviously you know the OpenAI guys because you started it, so why would anyone not be a speciesist, be human-centered in his thinking about technology? | ||
| I think what he's trying to say is that all consciousness should be treated equally, and whether that is digital or biological. | ||
| And you disagree. I disagree, yes. | ||
| Especially if the digital consciousness, or whatever you want to call it, digital intelligence, decides to curtail the biological intelligence. | ||
| Right. So you're just building your own slave master, and why would you do that? | ||
| Doesn't sound great. We should at least, no need to rush. | ||
| What's the hurry? So what's the timeline here? | ||
| At what point does it start to really change our society, do you think? | ||
| I think it starts to have probably an impact this year. | ||
| Most humans cannot write as well as ChadGBT. | ||
| And no human can write that well that fast. | ||
| Can you have a democracy with this? | ||
| Well, that's why I raise the concern of AI being a significant influence in elections. | ||
| And even if you say that AI doesn't have agency, well, it's very likely that people will use the AI as a tool in elections. | ||
| You know, if the AI is smart enough, are they using the tool or is the tool using them? | ||
| So I think things are getting weird and they're getting weird fast. | ||
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Glory be to the bomb and to the holy fallout as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be world without end. | |
| Amen. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| I reveal my inmost self unto my God. | ||
| Unto my God. | ||
| May the blessing of the balm almighty and the fellowship of the holy fallout descend on us all this day and forevermore. | ||
| Joe Allen, explain to us the end and how it ties to the beginning. | ||
| Tucker doing an incredible interview. | ||
| That's about as scary as it gets. | ||
| And, you know, looks like Elon is more on our side. | ||
| Particularly taking out the data centers or the energy supply to the data centers. | ||
| But he said it's happening this year. | ||
| It's happening this year. | ||
| The impact on our culture and society is happening now. | ||
| Right now. Not five years from now. | ||
| Not ten years from now. But right now. | ||
| Joe Allen. Yes, Steve, a lot of our viewers will remember Beneath the Planet of the Apes and the subterranean mutants who were worshipping atom bombs. | ||
| Whenever I listen to transhumanists and post-humanists and even guys like Sam Altman and some of the stuff that we're even hearing in Normie media on 60 Minutes from Google, it reminds me of the subterranean mutants. | ||
| These people are worshipping AI in much the same way that the mutants worship the atom bomb and perhaps much the same effect. | ||
| I guess time will tell. | ||
| But yeah, the second interview, Steve, really did surprise me. | ||
| It's not that it's inconsistent with Musk's previous statements. | ||
| It's just the emphasis On certain elements, especially that stopping the data centers or putting in some kind of e-stop to make sure that if the AI gets out of control, some government entity could cut it and cut the power. | ||
| Or perhaps even destroy the center if it were to happen. | ||
| Two concerns that I have voiced quite a bit, we've talked about both quite a bit, but two concerns I have. | ||
| One, Musk is a transhumanist ultimately, and Musk is working on a system that could, and he now says, he hints that He intends for it to lead to AGI. And simultaneously he's courting the right for support. | ||
| And I think he's setting himself up to be a kind of cyborg savior or maybe just a cyborg Caesar. | ||
| The other, Steve, is just if you hand the government more power, we end up deepening the problems we already have right now. | ||
| So it really, I still feel like we're very much between a rock and a hard place. | ||
| Well, it's quite clear. | ||
| A free society and artificial intelligence advances are incompatible. | ||
| Artificial general intelligence, that's the beginning of the digital god. | ||
| That's the antichrist. If you're working to artificial general intelligence, artificial super intelligence, which they're all working towards, that is beyond incompatible. | ||
| Short break. Hang on, Joe. We've got Bill Gertz, Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| The CCP is coming for you also. | ||
| All next in The War Room. | ||
| I'm going to let Joe Allen, he's working on a special project, go back to work. | ||
| This thing about all consciousness being equal. | ||
| They talked about it last night with Tucker and Elon. | ||
| I want to make sure our audience understands what they're talking about. | ||
| I want to get behind this, what they're really meaning. | ||
| What does that mean, Joe, and why is that so important in this fight that we're in regarding artificial intelligence? | ||
| We are not just the head of the creditors committee on all things financial, this audience says, we're also the camp of the Luddites. | ||
| What does it mean all consciousness is equal? | ||
| So, Steve, what Musk is talking about is Larry Page, co-founder of Google, and his belief that artificial intelligence is moving towards a conscious state. | ||
| You'll remember also Blake Lemoine, the Google whistleblower, said that their system Lambda is already conscious or sentient. | ||
| But there are a lot of other people making very, very similar arguments. | ||
| You've got Peter Singer, the famous philosopher, probably best known for advocating euthanasia and the legality of aborting a baby after birth. | ||
| He is also arguing on the basis of empathy towards sentient beings That computer systems will be conscious and they deserve civil rights, including, say, the right to vote. | ||
| And then you have the famous new atheist biologist Richard Dawkins, who is saying very much the same, that it should be on the table if it's determined that these systems are conscious. | ||
| You also have Christophe Koch, Head of the Allen Institute for Brain Sciences, who also argues that either the Internet as a whole or more complex artificial intelligence systems are on their way to becoming conscious. | ||
| And I could go on and on of all the people who are making this argument, and again, it may seem ridiculous, but it's getting at least some traction. | ||
| And if you've got guys at Google, the most powerful corporation on Earth, who there is quite a bit of evidence that they have also the ability to sway American elections through their search results and other methods, I think that even if it is a ridiculous concept to anyone with any sense, It's a concept that is going to confront us going forward as these machines become more and more sophisticated and convincing. | ||
| Even if it doesn't convince you, you can expect that roughly half of the population is at least vulnerable to being convinced. | ||
| How do we go and get all of your writings? | ||
| Where does this audience go to immerse themselves, sir? | ||
| Latest article is up at the top of my social media, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, Twitter and Gitter, warroom.org under the transhumanism tab, and jobot.xyz. | ||
| Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Go back to working your special project, sir. | ||
| I know you're grinding 20 hours a day. | ||
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| I've got Matthew Cox. | ||
| I've asked the guys at Home Title Lock. | ||
| Matthew, obviously we're the leaders in spending all this time on artificial intelligence for the posse. | ||
| We've been doing this now for three years as Joe. | ||
| We brought you over to Transhumanism. | ||
| But it's really exploded over the last couple of weeks since the ChatGPT was released within just 90 days at Davos. | ||
| This online... | ||
| You know, digital, the criminal, right now in the firestorm of the economy we have, people that own a home can't play around anymore. | ||
| There's no more games, no more nonsense. | ||
| You have to make sure you've locked down everything. | ||
| Tell me about Home Title Lock and this whole situation where people are able to go online and either take out a loan against your house or sometimes actually get the deed and sell the frickin' house. | ||
| Walk us through how dangerous this is right now more than ever. | ||
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I mean, it's... | |
| It's getting worse and worse. | ||
| It's so bad that probably about a month ago, the Hillsborough County Financial Crimes Unit reached out to me, and I've actually spoken in front of about 40 different financial crimes investigators twice in the last month because they've had such a rash of Of title thefts. | ||
| People are finding houses and just changing the deeds, taking the deeds out of the owner's name, placing it into another person's name, and then selling the property. | ||
| So it's happening more and more. | ||
| I'm being contacted all the time, and in August, I'm speaking in front of the I'm speaking in front of basically about a thousand, it's roughly a thousand financial crime investigators about the same thing, because it's just happening more and more. | ||
| Because we're going to get into this gertz about the coming war in Taiwan, the South China Sea, about the Chinese. | ||
| This can come from Russia, it can come from Ukraine, it can come from China, it can come from all over the world. | ||
| These guys don't have to be domestic guys. | ||
| People all over the world can hit you with this crime right now. | ||
| Walk us through that. If you don't lock it down, you've potentially exposed yourself to every bad guy in the world. | ||
| And now they've shifted all the crimes to online. | ||
| They're not going to walk into a bank and hold it up. | ||
| They're going to try to do a cybercrime. | ||
| And that's why the equity in homes is the biggest asset for the deplorables. | ||
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And so you've got people that can come over here, legally open up a bank account, They could transfer the warranty deed to your house, borrow money on your house, wire that money back to their country of origin, and then go back to that country. | |
| Let's say if you're from Iran, the Iranians are not going to extradite you on a financial crime to the United States. | ||
| In Miami, it's very common. | ||
| With people coming in, finding houses, and borrowing or selling the house, especially if a house is unattended. | ||
| That's a big thing. If you have an unattended house or a rental property, people could rent your house and transfer the deed, sell it, or borrow against it, and then leave the country. | ||
| Matthew, how do people – we don't want our audience to have to deal with the financial crimes unit of some local police department. | ||
| We want to avoid that. So how do they avoid it? | ||
| Our audience is proactive. | ||
| Just be specific. What do they need to do today? | ||
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I mean they need to go to, like, for instance, hometitlelock.com. | |
| The service that I recommend going to, it's just like a credit card monitoring service, only the difference is it doesn't just monitor your home's title. | ||
| If something goes wrong, they will hire an attorney and they will get you an advocate that will help you correct the problem. | ||
| Because the average person Isn't going to know what to do if something happens to their title of their home. | ||
| Law enforcement might catch the bad guy, but they're not going to help you correct the problem. | ||
| You need someone to help you. | ||
| We've got it up on the screen. | ||
| Give it to me one more time. Hometitlelock.com? | ||
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Hometitlelock.com. | |
| It's pennies a day. | ||
| Okay, brother. Matthew, you knew how to do all this. | ||
| This is why you're such a great spokesman and a great guy talking to the Electronic Crimes Unit because Matthew, during his darker phase of his life, was deep into this. | ||
| So thank you very much. Always love having you on, brother. | ||
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I love being on. | |
| Thank you. And I love what you do. | ||
| Thanks. Well, thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that, man. I've got to tell you, I'm so concerned about this, and particularly with artificial intelligence. | ||
| Now they're going to start doing it on a vast scale. | ||
| Okay, here's what I'm going to do. Let me get Gertz up, and then I'll play the Gates thing after the break. | ||
| Let me get – hey, Bill Gertz. | ||
| So Gertz, you are the – Washington Times, you've been the number one guy. | ||
| Let me tell – Gertz has been the number one guy for 30 years on this problem of the CCP and the rise of China, and particularly the military aspects. | ||
| Now we have admirals. | ||
| Basically giving testimony in Congress and talking about and supporting what you've been saying. | ||
| Walk us through where we stand in this Third World War and why is now PACCOM, the Pacific Fleet, why are people starting to pay attention? | ||
| Well, the Chinese have, I guess it was in November, Tony Blinken came out and said China has accelerated its timetable to take over Taiwan. | ||
| And this comes on the heels of 2021 testimony from Admiral Davidson, the Indo-PACOM commander who testified to Congress that China is going to move against Taiwan probably by 2027. | ||
| Admiral John Aquilino, the current commander, testified yesterday before the House Armed Services Committee. | ||
| And this issue obviously came up. | ||
| And the question was, What's happening here? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Why are the Chinese preparing to take this over? | ||
| He said, well, Xi Jinping has ordered the Chinese military, the PLA, People's Liberation Army, to be ready to take that task by 2027. | ||
| One of the members of Wall from Florida said, look, this idea that war is not inevitable or imminent, and this is the propaganda line put out by the Pentagon, That they're trying to play down the war fears. | ||
| And Aquilino really contradicted that. | ||
| He said, all the trends are not good. | ||
| And he said, this is a fact. | ||
| And he also repeated the mantra, yeah, war is not inevitable or imminent. | ||
| But it's certainly on the horizon. | ||
| And the Chinese are clear that they're going to take some type of action against Taiwan within the next few years. | ||
| We got a minute for a break. | ||
| Is the 7th Fleet ready in your opinion? | ||
| Somebody's dealt with this for 30 years. | ||
| Is the 7th Fleet prepared to break an air naval blockade of Taiwan by the Chinese Communist Party, the PLA Navy? | ||
| No, we're in big trouble. | ||
| We need to move more forces forward. | ||
| We need to have another carrier strike group somewhere in the Pacific. | ||
| We have one deployed in Japan right now. | ||
| The Chinese have deployed hypersonic missiles capable of taking out moving targets like our aircraft carriers, like warships. | ||
| This is a huge problem. | ||
| We have not done enough. | ||
| Now, they've done quite a bit to bolster forces, but there's so much focus on Ukraine, munitions that are Should be used in preparation for this coming conflict with China. | ||
| They need to be moved to the Asia-Pacific theater, and instead they're being sent to support Ukraine. | ||
| Hang on. The great Bill Gertz from The Washington Times is going to join us. | ||
| We're going to get gates up at this testimony yesterday with Admiral Aquino. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani, the mayor, is also going to join us to talk about the Chinese Communist Party and the imminent war. | ||
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Next. Washington Post. | |
| In Washington, military planners are realizing that China has surpassed the United States in hypersonic military technology. | ||
| Does anyone seated at the table disagree with that assessment? | ||
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Congressman, I think in terms of assessments, we should probably take that to a classified discussion. | |
| Well, it's been sort of unclassified without our consent. | ||
| We had this leak that showed that China could launch one of these hypersonic glide capabilities. | ||
| 2,100 kilometers that it could get there in 12 minutes and I actually don't think it's that it can't be too classified because it was a year ago admiral that you were before the senate armed services committee and you seem to be giving the warning at that time that we saw manifest in this leak you said quote The hypersonic glide vehicle threat poses a serious threat to the U.S. and allied forces in the region, | ||
| and we require a near-term initial defense capability to meet this challenge. | ||
| I read in between the lines of that to say you require the capability in the near-term. | ||
| Because you didn't have the capability when you gave this testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, not in a classified setting, but in open hearing. | ||
| So I guess my question to you, because I sense you are the truth teller on a lot of these things, have you acquired the capability since this testimony? | ||
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The department is working on the ability to do hypersonic defense, Congressman. | |
| Again, I stand by what I said. | ||
| I am concerned about it. | ||
| And it's still true today. | ||
| That statement that you made to the Senate Armed Services Committee in 2021, you wouldn't revise that or change that? | ||
| That is true as we sit here today? | ||
| It is. And so what I observe about our posture in Indopaycom is that for the last 30 years, the United States has been building aircraft carriers that will never get into the fight. | ||
| And we've spent years building littoral combat ships, Mr. | ||
| Smith, that will never get into the fight. | ||
| And while you have been giving us the accurate information, you gave it to us now, you gave it to the Senate a year ago, the truth is we have not made a sufficient investment in hypersonic defense in order to ensure that we have this credible deterrent threat. | ||
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Isn't that right, Admiral? Sir, if you look at the report as it applies to our Guam defense system, we have identified the need for that capability. | |
| Right. And so, I guess, how do our littoral combat ships ever get into the fight in a China-Taiwan scenario? | ||
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Well, again, I think that'd be better in a classified setting. | |
| I do think it's not going to happen. | ||
| I think it's whether it's classified or not classified. | ||
| Can we hit a moving target with our hypersonic offense? | ||
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Again, sir, I think we ought to take those capabilities discussion into a close setting. | |
| Well, okay, so if I represent to you that China can hit a moving target and we can't hit a moving target, do you have any basis in this setting that you can share with me to rebut that assertion? | ||
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I disagree that we can't hit a moving target. | |
| Oh, you think with our hypersonic capability? | ||
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I didn't say with a hypersonic capability. | |
| Okay, but that's what I'm talking about because, of course, we can hit moving targets, but with a hypersonic capability, it changes the deterrence analysis because the time window shortens considerably, as this leak of classified information tells us, kind of as you told us a year ago. | ||
| And so I know that there'll be great bloodlust to go after the leaker of this information. | ||
| It is never okay to leak classified information, especially when it could potentially put people at risk. | ||
| But what I wonder is, who's going to be punished more? | ||
| The knucklehead who leaked this information? | ||
| Or the generals and admirals and so-called experts who have sat before this committee and the Senate for decades saying that these capabilities that we were funding with gajillions of dollars were going to sufficiently deter China? | ||
| And what you said last year, what you've confirmed now, is that We need a capability in the near term that we do not have. | ||
| What this leak shows is that China has it, and we don't. | ||
| And yet, we continue to build ships that'll never get in the fight. | ||
| We continue to support these endeavors that don't enhance deterrence, but if the right senator or congressman or lobbyist is for them, we do them. | ||
| And I think that's, while it is never okay to leak classified information, I think that's what animates the concern among some of our even youngest and most inexperienced service members that we are not really positioning to win this fight. | ||
| And we got too many grifters who roll in and out of the Pentagon, two defense contractors, and some of them even become Secretary of Defense thereafter. | ||
| And I think it is disgraceful and it's not worthy of a true Pacific power like the United States. | ||
| This was actually stunning yesterday, and Admiral Queen is as good a guy as you get. | ||
| But Bill Gertz, you're the most informed of the reporters that have covered this your entire professional life. | ||
| Is Gates right? | ||
| I mean, we've got to cut to the chase. | ||
| Is a carrier battle group going in harm's way in the Straits of Taiwan, like Frank Gave and I talk about, the 7th Fleet going to end up at the bottom of the Straits of Taiwan with 12,000 to 15,000 sailors dead, sir? | ||
| It's not just hypersonic missiles. | ||
| It's supersonic missiles, anti-ship missiles. | ||
| The Chinese have been Cranking them out like sausage in preparation for a conflict with the U.S. And they know that they have great distance on these missiles. | ||
| Now they have hypersonic missiles, which can travel up to 620, up to 1,000 miles, and hit targets, as Gates said, within 12 minutes. | ||
| The U.S. failed to react to this. | ||
| I reported several years ago that this was a new arms race. | ||
| And the Pentagon's decision was, based on the anti-nuclear activists, that this was going to be a nuclear weapon, so they didn't want to build hypersonic missiles. | ||
| Now, all of a sudden, they're scrambling to build hypersonic missiles. | ||
| And forget about defenses against these missiles. | ||
| You can't defend against these ultra-high-speed missiles, which go Mach 5, 6,000 miles an hour or faster. | ||
| You need offensive capability, and that's That's the way to deter those attacks. | ||
| If they use those, we'll be using them against the Chinese ships. | ||
| Bill, hang on for one second. | ||
| I'm going to bring Rudy. Rudy, you're a student of history. | ||
| Is this like the Imperial Japanese Navy and the German Army in the run-up to World War II in the late 30s when the United States was asleep, England was asleep? | ||
| Are we in the same situation, sir? | ||
| Just exactly what I was thinking about, Steve. | ||
| It's like history repeating itself, isn't it? | ||
| We disarm, then we arm again, and we disarm, and we arm again. | ||
| And there's no question we weren't prepared in 1938, 39, 40. | ||
| We started to get prepared, and that war probably took a year or two longer than it should have if we had been prepared. | ||
| And possibly we would have been able to defend against Pearl Harbor. | ||
| Why we want to relive those mistakes again is only—in this case, I think it's because of the nefarious influence within the Biden administration and within the Democratic Party. | ||
| They've been anti— I'm going to get back to that. | ||
| Hang on. I'm going to get back to that one second. | ||
| People have to understand something. | ||
| It wasn't just Western Europe getting rolled up and marching into Paris. | ||
| It wasn't just Pearl Harbor and taking the island chains and all that. | ||
| It was 10 to 15 million of our allies in China, the Lao-Beijing and the Russian people. | ||
| The first two years of this war got blown out. | ||
| You know why? The elites in the West and everybody else looked the other way as Imperial Japan and the German army armed themselves and were ready for combat. | ||
| We know about it as Paris falling and Pearl Harbor, and those were horrible, don't get me wrong. | ||
| But the brunt of it was in Manchuria, in mainland China, in Eastern Europe, in the Russian army, got crushed. | ||
| It got 10, 20 million people died in the first couple of years of war, including American combat troops that went to North Africa, Kazarin Pass, that were not ready. | ||
| We were not ready because we were asleep. | ||
| Hang on for a second, Rudy. Gertz, Give me a solution. | ||
| You brought up the fact you had the anti-nuclear people didn't want to do the hypersonic. | ||
| We're in this fight. | ||
| We're in the early stages of the Third World War. | ||
| They've been unrestricted warfare, and now they're coming for us. | ||
| You see what's happening in the Ukraine, and that's not our fight. | ||
| Okay, it's not our fight, but the Russians are ready for that. | ||
| But in China, in the Straits, in the South China Sea, around Taiwan, they're rolling hard for those chip factories. | ||
| Give me what Bill Gertz is saying today has to happen, brother. | ||
| Well, the first thing that has to happen, we have to change the strategy. | ||
| The current Biden administration strategy is this idea of competition. | ||
| They think it's some kind of a sporting event, like the Olympics. | ||
| We are in a Cold War with China. | ||
| It could turn hot very quickly, as Admiral Aquilino said yesterday on the Hill. | ||
| And we need to move more forces forward. | ||
| Aquilino was asked, what's the current breakdown of forces right now, the military? | ||
| He said 60 percent of the military is in the Asia-Pacific. | ||
| 40 percent is in the Atlantic in that way. | ||
| And it's been that way for several years. | ||
| So they haven't done anything to rebalance forces towards the Pacific. | ||
| We need more weapons. | ||
| We need more ships. | ||
| We need more aircraft. We need more bases. | ||
| They're starting to do that, but it's much too slow. | ||
| Admiral Aquilino's message yesterday was, we need to move faster if we want to deter a war with China. | ||
| General Minifield in the Air Force has said 2025. | ||
| That's what he's getting the Air Force ready for. | ||
| Admiral Ackerman is saying 2027. | ||
| What is Bill Gertz saying? The balloon goes up on the shooting war, Bill Gertz. | ||
| When do you say that happens? | ||
| Well, it could happen during any exercise. | ||
| The Chinese military just completed a major exercise around Taiwan. | ||
| And then we sailed a ship, the guided-missile destroyer Milius, through the Taiwan Strait. | ||
| The Chinese threatened the ship. | ||
| They told it to leave the area. | ||
| Of course, it continued on its way. | ||
| So, any kind of mishap, any kind of aerial mishap, they have had Several dangerous aerial encounters of Chinese jets coming dangerously close to our surveillance aircraft. | ||
| Things are getting hot, because any kind of incident like that could trigger a larger conflict. | ||
| And the Chinese are ready to go. | ||
| Bill Gertz, how do people get to your content? | ||
| How do they get to your columns? Your books have been amazing. | ||
| You're the leading of all the guys I look to. | ||
| I have so many great people covering this now, but you're the mentor. | ||
| You're the Mac Daddy. How do people get to your stuff? | ||
| My website is TheGertzFile at GertzFile.com and I'm at Bill Gertz on all social media. | ||
| Bill, keep it up. We need you. | ||
| This country needs you more than ever. | ||
| Thank you very much. Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. Are we ready, Rudy? Back in the 1930s, you had the Roosevelt administration, you had the America Firsters, you had all this thing about whose fight it was going to be. | ||
| It's different now. | ||
| Tell me about the—I got a minute here, and I'm going to hold you through. | ||
| Tell me about the Biden regime. | ||
| Are they too compromised to confront the Chinese Communist Party, brother? | ||
| No question. No question. | ||
| Every decision that Biden has made has been pro-China. | ||
| Almost blatantly pro-China to the point of the irrational, like giving up Pagram Air Base. | ||
| President Trump mentioned that the other day. | ||
| No person in his right mind would give up an Air Base 400 miles from China. | ||
| When you hear the Admiral talking about hypersonic missiles and the difficulty in being able to detect them, the more time you have to detect them, the better off you are. | ||
| And when we have the advantage of time, 400 miles off China, and give it up for nothing, we're now looking for air bases 1,000 miles from China. | ||
| Only a person compromised by China would make that decision. | ||
| Then we could go on and on and on. | ||
| I challenge someone to tell me a decision that he made that's anti-China, Red China, or a criticism of Red China. | ||
| So, yeah, we have to conclude that he's compromised. | ||
| We'd be fools not to. He got well over $31.5 million into the Biden crime family. | ||
| We now know that he gets 50 percent of that money personally. | ||
| And now he's making decisions in favor of our worst enemy. | ||
| If he isn't compromised, it doesn't matter. | ||
| He's acting like he is. Hang one second. | ||
| I want to hold the punchline to after the break. | ||
| America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani, not just a student of history, someone who's had to deal with these tough guys at the highest level, like President Trump. | ||
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| You can use it. Rudy, and I'm pretty upfront about this. | ||
| I'm the biggest single advocate that Rudy's got to be the Secretary of State in the second Trump term. | ||
| Because, sir, you not only know history, you also know how you deal with these bad guys. | ||
| And these are thugs. It's the KGB in Moscow. | ||
| It's the Ayatollahs in Persia. | ||
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| And it's all controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, the gangsters in Beijing. | ||
| Rudy, we were divided before World War II, but not like today where we don't have confidence. | ||
| Our administration is not compromised by our enemy. | ||
| Let me be specific. John Solomon's been on here, and Gates backed it up. | ||
| Mike Morrell, a senior guy, was going to be head of the CIA under Hillary Clinton, a senior guy in the intelligence community, and probably people think one of the smartest guys in the intelligence community, supposedly has sworn testimony that the laptop from hell, the 41 Brennan and these guys, got this letter together, to run cover for Biden so that Trump couldn't use the laptop in the closing days of the election of 2020. | ||
| And brother, you brought me in. | ||
| You and Bob Costello were the guys that had the laptop. | ||
| And you told me when that letter came out, you said that is a bald-faced lie. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani. Well, it was. | ||
| And I mean, the reality is they all had to be in that position. | ||
| They're all professionals. | ||
| They're dishonest professionals, but they're all professionals. | ||
| None of them ever saw the laptop. | ||
| None of them asked questions about it. | ||
| There was nothing about it on its face that suggested it was Russian. | ||
| It wasn't in Russian. | ||
| I just interviewed and saw and spent a night with John Mack Isaacs. | ||
| I tell you, it was beautiful. The man is a great man. | ||
| This is a man who should get an award for being a great American. | ||
| This was a purely American document that came right out of Delaware. | ||
| It was probably one of the easiest documents I ever had to verify. | ||
| I probably verified 2,000 in my career, and so was Bob. | ||
| There was never any question that they completely lied in order to fix an election. | ||
| Before you even get to them fixing the election at the ballot box, they fixed the election in terms of Making America into another version of East Germany or the Soviet Union. | ||
| So the reality is the Democrat Party, going back to McGovern at least, has been a party of appeasement, a party of pacifism, a party that's afraid of war. | ||
| Remember in 1988, Dukakis and the Tank, what was listed on the screen were all the defense programs that he was against. | ||
| Virtually we would have had a smaller army than Egypt if he had been president. | ||
| And then I think when you get Obama in, you begin to get a Chinese and a communist element into it as well. | ||
| So you combine the pacifism of the Democrat Party with the pure designs of Marxist communism, and now we're at a stage where they just won't defend us. | ||
| And they put us in a position Unless we get charged pretty soon, it could be irreparable. | ||
| We're so far behind that China could act at that moment before we can go through the three-year buildup we did in the Second World War. | ||
| We don't have a Soviet Union and a China fighting for us to get us time this time. | ||
| If they hit us at the worst possible moment when we're least prepared, we don't have two or three years for the great American engine to grow the way it did between 39 and 42. | ||
| Rudy, you're an expert on the unrestricted war that they're hitting us with. | ||
| Do you believe, we got a couple minutes here, do you believe the Chinese Communist Party plans on a kinetic conflict around Taiwan against the United States of America, sir? | ||
| I believe it's a backup plan. | ||
| China is very shrewd, it's not Russia, much smarter. | ||
| And I think they'd like to take Taiwan with the least amount of conflict. | ||
| So they're going to try different kinds of strategies. | ||
| But if you're asking me if it comes to that, if they attack and we respond and it gets into kind of a Ukraine thing, they're going to go much further than Russia is going. | ||
| And finally, they're more capable of it. | ||
| They're more capable of a massive war And the use of massive, even nuclear weapons. | ||
| And finally, they're more amoral. | ||
| Even with Putin being as evil as he is and Russia being as evil as he is, they are still part, to some extent, of Western civilization. | ||
| And they consider themselves, some of them, Christians. | ||
| The Chinese believe that anything is—look, they've killed 80 million of their own people. | ||
| Why wouldn't they kill 30 million of ours? | ||
| Rudy, we've got to bounce, but are you open to serve as Secretary of State in the second Trump term? | ||
| Oh, I shouldn't ask for a job now, right? | ||
| The boss would get angry. I'm willing to do what I have to do. | ||
| I'm not saying you're asking. No, no, no. | ||
| If you're asked, would you serve as Secretary of State? | ||
| And do you think you could do the job that needs to be done right now that the Secretary of State needs to do? | ||
| Why be one of those jerky, oh, well, if I'm asked? | ||
| Yeah, sure. Yeah, I would be. | ||
| I would be open to do it because as you... | ||
| I really believe I could straighten it. | ||
| In part, I ran for president because I thought I could straighten out the State Department. | ||
| I think it's the agency of government, even beyond the FBI, that needs to be straightened out first because it's us to the world. | ||
| The president, they can undercut any president. | ||
| By the way, they undercut Democrat presidents. | ||
| They undercut anybody they want. | ||
| It's an arrogant, almost as if independent agency that's running on Ivy League wokeness. | ||
| With anti-American wokeness. | ||
| Rudy, your content, you've got stuff, you've got shows, you've got podcasts. | ||
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